He Fights.
No.
He Tweets.
He engages in juvenile insults with media slights.
He is no warrior.
There is no 'fight' from him to repeal ObamaCare. Just a push to sign something, anything the GOP can try and shove through to take ownership of ObamaCare and pave the way to Single Payer by putting bandaids on the pain and printing more money to bail out the exchanges.
He'll fight via tweet storm to sign anything that he can declare a 'win'.
He Fights
Townhall, Jul 13, 2017, Evan Sayet(https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2017/194/29d1fabd-231b-4a5a-b76f-26d6ada224c4.jpg)
My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:
We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.
This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.
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The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.
The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.
During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming. Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”
More: https://townhall.com/columnists/evansayet/2017/07/13/he-fights-n2354580
To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.
I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care.
It's become pretty clear that many "conservatives" hold nothing sacred and nothing is beyond the pale.
See?
I guess it's impossible to fight the liberal agenda without calling people losers and talking about women bleeding. How absurd to try to get me to believe that in order to fight the liberal agenda we must be vulgar, crude and undignified.
The thinking is that in order to defeat the enemy, we must become more savage, more brutal and adopt their tactics to use it against them. Anything and everything goes.
And all sides adopt this view. This is nothing new.
This is always what happens when civil societies are in the midst of their last gasps, and horror is at the doorstep before a country is consumed by a brutal dictatorship or outright collapse and extinction.
Good post RiV, thanks! :beer:
It's become pretty clear that many "conservatives" hold nothing sacred and nothing is beyond the pale.
See?
I guess it's impossible to fight the liberal agenda without calling people losers and talking about women bleeding. How absurd to try to get me to believe that in order to fight the liberal agenda we must be vulgar, crude and undignified.
The thinking is that in order to defeat the enemy, we must become more savage, more brutal and adopt their tactics to use it against them. Anything and everything goes.
And all sides adopt this view.
This is nothing new.
This is always what happens when civil societies are in the midst of their last gasps, and horror is at the doorstep before a country is consumed by a brutal dictatorship or outright collapse and extinction.
You need to read up on the Sons of Liberty and the tactics they adapted.
You need to read up on the Sons of Liberty and the tactics they adapted.
Yep, "No taxation without representation" is almost exactly the same as wishing "losers" a happy Memorial Day and letting all thd "losers" know about his high IQ on Twitter.
You need to read up on the Sons of Liberty and the tactics they adapted.
Thank you for making my point.
When the Sons of Liberty began in secret in the 1760s to protest the Stamp Act, the Colonies at that point as being a part of the whole British Empire was doomed. It would simply take ten years of incitement, stirring up the populace against the king and parliament with acts of brutality before war began in earnest. The goal was liberty and independence from a government that they said no longer had moral authority over a God-fearing and free people.
We are no longer a God-fearing people, and we certainly cannot even agree on the definition of liberty or why we should have it other than to do what we please without any consequences. We are fighting over which ruler is going to save us from the rest of our population.
If people want to aspire to the tactics of the Sons of Liberty against their fellow citizens who no longer stand on a common foundation, then the civil society as established as a consequence of winning our independence is doomed and finished. What they would be advocating is no less than what the Blackshirts or Brownshirts did in Europe in the 1920's and 30's, or even the upheavals stoked by Robespierre during the Terror in France. That is what the zeitgeist will earn, not some kind of noble restoration to what the Founders established. This people do not want that, and the ones who do are in a tiny minority.
By all means, if they want a bloodbath - and a police state followed by an iron fist from on high to keep order and ration movement and provision, then aspiring to the kinds of incitement to violence against other citizens who do not share their political views or stoke their enemies' desire to do the same is a surefire method to kickstart a conflagration of revenge and payback horror.
I just hope people have counted the cost of what they will ignite. Because it will not be some kind of romantic return to liberty they will obtain. We haven't even begun to truly feel the consequences of the crushing government debt and debauchery of this society yet. But stoking the populace to hate one another now, will make the conflagration that is coming when the laws of economics are visited, that much larger a bloodbath.
But this is what some people want apparently.
And the rest... probably don't think such a thing can possibly happen here, even though the historical evidence and the writings from the Founders more than warn us of that inevitability.
I guess General Patton wouldn't have been welcomed by some, he wasn't polished enough.
Thank you for making my point.
When the Sons of Liberty began in secret in the 1760s to protest the Stamp Act, the Colonies at that point as being a part of the whole British Empire was doomed...
:facepalm2:
He's not a particularly good fighter. Mostly he's been damaging himself.
Clever, but you know damn well the point I was making.
We have seen "savage" politics in this country, at its very outset. They were, in fact, probably very necessary at the time.
I'm not commenting on the quality of Trump's tactics. I'm not even saying that this is his intention, (I think he's a showman first who is in the process of growing a political philosophy).
I'm saying that when the system of government has been noodled and processed to the point it becomes isolated and unresponsive to the voters, in order to be effective perhaps political etiquette, or at least what was deemed politically apropos, may have to go out the window.
:thumbsup3:
Trump;
Christian values defended, pro-choicers shut down.
Sure, that's why Lisa Murkowski was bribbed with money for, among other things, Planned Parenthood, because Pro-Choicers have been shut down. And Trump is waiting at his desk with pen in hand ready to sign off.
So, because the political system seems to have become unresponsive (I'll assume that arguendo), the only solution is to bring on an incompetent yahoo simply because he gets nasty on twitter?
Kind of like frustrated chimpanzees in the zoo. They impotently throw crap at the spectators and the spectators point and laugh increasing the frustration.
And calling people "losers" is almost exactly the same as tar & feathering and burning the governor's mansion.
You need a little remedial history too.
Planned Parenthood International defunded $12 billion dollars, pro-life Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch, Planned Parenthood ready to be defunded in health care. Giving the right back to the state to defund Planned Parenthood and maybe even recover past monies.
Diss these accomplishments all one wants to.
So, because the political system seems to have become unresponsive (I'll assume that arguendo), the only solution is to bring on an incompetent yahoo simply because he gets nasty on twitter?
Yeah, thats sounds pretty silly, huh.
And its not even close to what I said.
It captures the gist of it.
If you say so.
I didn't realize we were at the tar and feathering stage. Who do you think should go first? The conservative members of Congress he threatened to primary or should we just go ahead and do the half of the country that disagrees with him?
I realize it is considered a personal insult, but you don't mind if everyone calls you a loser do you? That silly rule about no personal insults makes no sense, we always have such great and productive conversations when we insult each other.
Glad you agree with me.
Clever, but you know damn well the point I was making.
I guess Lisa and whoever agreed to her demands for funds from every other state to go to Alaska for Planned Parenthood didn't get the memo.
These Two Republicans are Opposing the Senate Bill to Defund Planned Parenthood
National Steven Ertelt Jul 13, 2017 | 3:56PM Washington, DC
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The reconciliation bill to repeal Obamacare has undergone a couple of different revisions since the House of Representatives passed its version. However, every single version of the legislation has contained the House-approved provision that defunds the nation’s biggest abortion company.
Now it is up to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders to persuade enough Republicans to support the bill. Senator Ted Cruz has already said he would support the measure and pro-life advocates are lobbying senators to support the legislation. Senator Rand Paul and a couple of other Republicans have balked at previous versions of the bill and Paul has already re-upped his opposition. Pro-abortion senators including Republicans Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski have previously said they support funding the Planned Parenthood abortion company and have discussed potentially voting against the legislation because it revokes taxpayer funding.
Continued: http://www.lifenews.com/2017/07/13/these-two-republicans-are-opposing-the-senate-bill-to-defund-planned-parenthood/
I think you completely missed mine.
Kind of like frustrated chimpanzees in the zoo. They impotently throw crap at the spectators and the spectators point and laugh increasing the frustration.
A favor, please, @Cripplecreek ... if this cold war should explode wide open on the streets of America promise you'll stay in the basement and out of the way. We won't have time to backtrack and explain what's happening. We'll be busy winning.
Thanks in advance! :beer:
@Right_in_Virginia
In other words @Cripplecreek it may be time to double the size of your perimeter.
Is the above your idea of how to have a productive conversation?
As happens in politics, they may be designating more funds to Alaska but it doesn't look like Planned Parenthood money, they are defunding it.
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GOP Health Bill Aims Cash at Reluctant Senator's Home State (2)
Anna Edney, Hannah Recht and Laura LitvanJul 14, 2017 4:39 am ET
(Bloomberg) -- Call it the Polar Payoff.
Changes made to the Republican legislation to repeal large parts of Obamacare would send hundreds of millions of extra federal dollars to Alaska, whose Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski has been holding off from giving her much-needed vote to the bill. Under formulas in the revised legislation, only Alaska appears to qualify for the extra money.
The money comes from the legislation’s $182 billion in funding meant to help stabilize insurance markets and help states provide coverage. Under the formulas, states -- in this case just Alaska -- with disproportionately higher premiums would get extra funds from that account.
The legislation, called the Better Care Reconciliation Act, would repeal large parts of the Affordable Care Act. Republicans possess only a narrow margin in the Senate, and can only afford to lose two votes from their 52-vote majority. Murkowski had expressed concern about the legislation’s Medicaid spending reductions and lessened aid for people buying individual coverage. She also opposes a ban of at least a year on Planned Parenthood funding that was kept in the updated version of the legislation.
Questioned by reporters Thursday, Murkowski said she needed to read the bill before she decides how she’ll vote. Her office didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment, though last month she said she wasn’t interested in a special program for her state.
“Let’s just say that they do something that’s so Alaska-specific just to, quote, ‘get me,’” Murkowski said in June. “Then you have a nationwide system that doesn’t work. That then comes crashing down and Alaska’s not able to kind of keep it together on its own.”
Legislative Dealing
Such legislative maneuvers aren’t uncommon. Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska became the crucial Democratic vote for the Affordable Care Act after the inclusion of a provision that gave the state extra federal money for Medicaid, which is jointly funded by the federal government and states. Critics called it the Cornhusker Kickback, a reference to the Nelson’s home state.
Two related parts of the bill appear to specifically benefit Alaska.
Continued: http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-OT1HTZ6JTSE801-7N4ALFJ06H96N8VHCN1QSJD2M3
The chairborne rangers on the "right" aren't going to do squat except continue aging and widening.
It'd be nice to have a source of what you are referring to, otherwise, this just seems to be a vague reference.
We do have this:
What's wrong with what I wrote? Only a loser cares about anyone being crude or obnoxious.
Besides the fact it makes this place look more like the mirror image of TOS? Nothing I guess - knock yourself out.
@RoosGirl
I like this place way to much to tell about the 20 or so people here what I 'truly' think of their opinion or themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhWD_r5-LY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhWD_r5-LY)
Now @skeeter, I don't normally respond in such a manner, but I was trying to make a point about the article. You're put off by a nobody (me) being crude, but the article suggests that it doesn't matter how the POTUS behaves, in fact tries to convince me that it's a good thing. But it is inappropriate, isn't it?
@corbe I hope my demonstraton has not bothered you too much, I find you to be one of the more level-headed folk that participates . :)
Is it inappropriate? Sure.
Will I give a crap about 'appropriateness' if the MSM (who are doing at least as good a job self immolating as is Trump) getting into the pigpen with Trump ends up destroying their credibility in the eyes of the population at large?
Hell no.
I dont care about Trump. I care about what will ultimately benefit my country. Some think a degrading decorum is the worst thing happening in DC, but to me that is among the least of our worries.
@RoosGirl Sweetheart, you always bring JOY, in my book.
Well, I care about it a whole heck of a lot. It is unnecessary and I think distracting from what matters, and will ultimately not benefit the country. I believe it is on the same order, with respect to degredation of the office and our culture, as the Bill/Monica thing. All of Bill's supporters said it made no difference what he did, but certainly it did.