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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 04:41:37 pm

Title: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 04:41:37 pm

During the debate with challenger Beto O’Rourke on Friday, Cruz was asked about this issue from the moderators.
“The last time you stood for election was in 2016. You were the runner-up in the Republican primary for president,” began moderator Gromer Jeffers. “Donald Trump as you remember, dubbed you ‘Lyin’ Ted.’ He took swipes at your wife and father. You, in turn, called him a pathological liar. And quite frankly, there’s so many insults between the two of you, it would take the rest of this show to go through them all. But now that he’s president, you guys have become friendly to the point where you praised him in Time Magazine. How do you respond to critics who say that as it relates to President Trump, you’ve lost your dignity?”

Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:

Well, there is no doubt 2016 was an election unlike any others, and there were some hard shots thrown. I’ll tell you, my dad – who is here tonight – anyone who knows me knows my father has been my hero every day in my life, Heidi and my daughters – who are here as well – anyone who knows me knows Heidi is my best friend in the world. I think she’s the most beautiful woman on the face of the planet and I am blessed from God to be married to Heidi Cruz.

Now, after the election in 2016, I faced a choice. Donald Trump had been elected president and we had an opportunity to do something extraordinary. I made a conscious choice to do the job I’d been elected to do, which is to represent 28 million Texans. I’ve got a responsibility which is to fight for every person here and every person in this state.

And so I have worked hand in hand with the President on substance, and we have delivered remarkable victories. The biggest tax cut of a generation. We’ve seen four million new jobs created since Trump was elected and we cut taxes and cut regulations. We’re seeing record low unemployment...
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 04:43:05 pm
Unlike the other losers to Trump, Ted Cruz has been man enough to put the country before hurt feelings.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 22, 2018, 04:47:51 pm
I agree.  This was a masterful answer.  No where does he say he likes Trump or was glad that Trump was the candidate (or the opposite for that matter), but he chose to put aside hurt feelings in order to do the job he was elected to do.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 22, 2018, 04:52:52 pm
Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:

@INVAR

@roamer_1

@Once-Ler
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: skeeter on September 22, 2018, 04:56:11 pm
Cruz explains better than any one of us who once supported him why we now support the president
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 04:57:21 pm
I agree.  This was a masterful answer.  No where does he say he likes Trump or was glad that Trump was the candidate (or the opposite for that matter), but he chose to put aside hurt feelings in order to do the job he was elected to do.

It was a perfect answer and reflects the way a lot of us here feel.

It reflects the way I feel. 

I could make myself sick brooding about the viciousness and unfairness of Trump's campaign.

I could go into pout mode like Jeb, the postman and so many other primary losers.

Or I could do what I have done and what Cruz has done... although what Cruz has done actually matters to the country and what I say on TBR doesn't.

But I chose to support Trump because he's President and has actually amazed me by being a million times better than I expected.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: bilo on September 22, 2018, 05:01:08 pm
I agree.  This was a masterful answer.  No where does he say he likes Trump or was glad that Trump was the candidate (or the opposite for that matter), but he chose to put aside hurt feelings in order to do the job he was elected to do.

Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 22, 2018, 05:11:58 pm
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: truth_seeker on September 22, 2018, 05:57:12 pm
Classy answer. Cruz is head and shoulders above Flake, Sass and their ilk, as they are called.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 05:57:47 pm
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.

Totally agree.  Anyone who wants to whine about petty grievances needs to look long and hard at the big picture.  The enemy is Out There.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 22, 2018, 08:24:20 pm
Finally?  Cruz dusted off his knees, licked his wounds and put on his big boy pants a long time ago. 

Back in October of 2017:


Cruz To Congress: "We've Got A Job To Do, Dammit"; "Everyone Shut Up And Do Your Job"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/cruz_to_congress_weve_got_a_job_to_do_dammit_everyone_shut_up_and_do_your_job.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/cruz_to_congress_weve_got_a_job_to_do_dammit_everyone_shut_up_and_do_your_job.html)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on September 22, 2018, 08:40:31 pm
Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:

@INVAR

@roamer_1

@Once-Ler

Bullshit @DCPatriot
Do you really think this is about 'personal rivalries and hurt feelings'?
Is there any reason to call me here other than to waste my time?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on September 22, 2018, 08:44:07 pm
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.

No. The greater enemy is the one within the gate.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 22, 2018, 08:51:16 pm
Unlike the other losers to Trump, Ted Cruz has been man enough to put the country before hurt feelings.


Actually, Cruz put himself first.  Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose. 

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet.  Or did I miss it?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 08:56:13 pm

Actually, Cruz put himself first.  Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose. 

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet.  Or did I miss it?

You missed it.  Trump plans to campaign for him.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 22, 2018, 08:56:26 pm
Totally agree.  Anyone who wants to whine about petty grievances needs to look long and hard at the big picture.  The enemy is Out There.

   I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months?   I am not your enemy.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 22, 2018, 08:56:51 pm

Actually, Cruz put himself first.  Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet.  Or did I miss it?

 :bsflag:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:02:39 pm
   I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months?   I am not your enemy.

No @corbe   You are not my enemy and if I had made any attempt to dismantle your balls, they would be of no use to you now.

The enemy is the dems and liberals who are fighting with every fiber of their sorry beings to take over the country.

Trump is our bulwark against that happening.  Man up, corbe.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 22, 2018, 09:04:59 pm
You missed it.  Trump plans to campaign for him.

When?  It's almost October.  If Trump is going to do something, he had better get a move on.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 22, 2018, 09:11:31 pm
   The holdup is Ted refuses to sign a NDA.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:13:01 pm
   The holdup is Ted refuses to sign a NDA.

What does that mean?  I mean I know what the initials mean but what does that mean in the real world.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:16:18 pm

Actually, Cruz put himself first.  Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose. 

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet.  Or did I miss it?

I read this a couple of days ago.  I haven't seen any change announced:

"President Trump announced that will travel to Texas in October to campaign for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), “an incumbent in a deep-red state who is facing an unexpectedly tough race for reelection,” CNBC reports."
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:18:13 pm
:bsflag:

@Applewood is a little behind the times.  Cruz is facing re-election now, not in a couple of years.  And Trump has stated that he will campaign for him in October.  I haven't heard anything to the contrary.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 22, 2018, 09:19:53 pm
   It's not lost on me @Emjay that you loved me much moore when you didn't take me so seriously.   8888crybaby
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 22, 2018, 09:21:44 pm
@Applewood is a little behind the times.  Cruz is facing re-election now, not in a couple of years.  And Trump has stated that he will campaign for him in October.  I haven't heard anything to the contrary.

I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 22, 2018, 09:25:14 pm
I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.

...and what good what it do the country if he as one of the most conservative senators would have fought him?  The two have very similar agendas and Cruz didn't just change his agenda or principles on key issues just to appease the Trumpsters.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: bilo on September 22, 2018, 09:27:09 pm
No. The greater enemy is the one within the gate.

I guess that would be you.

I'm more than willing to support Pubs who will work with Trump to try and push forward a conservative America First agenda. I will compromise where I have to instead of wasting everyone's time demanding 100% purity. The alternative is frightening. If you haven't been looking we are seeing an intolerant left becoming a violent, socialist left that does not believe in individual liberties, especially freedom of speech. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 22, 2018, 09:29:49 pm
...and what good what it do the country if he as one of the most conservative senators would have fought him?  The two have very similar agendas and Cruz didn't just change his agenda or principles on key issues just to appease the Trumpsters.

Trump made a lot of campaign promises that sounded like they would be the same as what Cruz wanted.  But I haven't seen progress in fulfilling those promises. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: bilo on September 22, 2018, 09:30:45 pm
   I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months?   I am not your enemy.

You know what you're right! You are not the enemy. We are well past the time that the Trump "fan boys" and "never Trumpers" need to focus their anger on the left. After we win that war we can go back to fighting each other. I regularly see both sides "poking the bear", maybe we should stop.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:39:00 pm
   It's not lost on me @Emjay that you loved me much moore when you didn't take me so seriously.   8888crybaby

If I took you seriously, corbe, I'd have to kill myself.  You still haven't explained the NDA thingee.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:41:25 pm
Trump made a lot of campaign promises that sounded like they would be the same as what Cruz wanted.  But I haven't seen progress in fulfilling those promises.

Well, I posted a long essay two days ago outlining all of Trump's actual accomplishments.  It was pretty impressive.  Guess you didn't read it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 22, 2018, 09:44:21 pm
I guess that would be you.

I'm more than willing to support Pubs who will work with Trump to try and push forward a conservative America First agenda. I will compromise where I have to instead of wasting everyone's time demanding 100% purity. The alternative is frightening. If you haven't been looking we are seeing an intolerant left becoming a violent, socialist left that does not believe in individual liberties, especially freedom of speech.

@bilo   Yes.  Why won't these NTers give up their petty grievances and focus on the real and frightening enemy.  As you say, it's become a violent, socialist left that glorifies every perversion available to man, woman, or IT.

And stops at nothing to gain their ends.  Just look at this ridiculous delay on the Kavanaugh vote engineered by DiFi and a willing accomplice.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 22, 2018, 10:05:51 pm
That's just what happens in campaigns, I've read about during this campaign, some material sent out by the Cruz campaign looking like summons to appear:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/ted-cruz-solicits-campaign-donations-with-summons-enclosed-mailer/ar-BBNtp9J (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/ted-cruz-solicits-campaign-donations-with-summons-enclosed-mailer/ar-BBNtp9J)

I can't believe their campaign is still doing stuff like this. But as for the campaign of 2 years ago, it's not a gentlemanly sport, you have one campaign saying Rubio was dropping out in Hawaii, Carson in Iowa, Kasich getting Soros money, Rubio saying something he didn't about the Bible. Why detail all of this? These are tricks that happened, no big deal.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: austingirl on September 22, 2018, 10:14:01 pm
Cruz explains better than any one of us who once supported him why we now support the president

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 22, 2018, 10:30:00 pm
Quote
Cruz explains better than any one of us who once supported him why we now support the president

Don't expect any a lot of his alleged supporters to agree with this along with the seemingly dozens of other issues out there. In fact, I think it's more likely for them to treat someone, well, let's be respectful, not too well.

(http://i.imgur.com/QE9QEUM.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: dfwgator on September 22, 2018, 11:23:31 pm
Don't expect any a lot of his alleged supporters to agree with this along with the seemingly dozens of other issues out there. In fact, I think it's more likely for them to treat someone, well, let's be respectful, not too well.

(http://i.imgur.com/QE9QEUM.jpg)

I supported Cruz in the Primary, but I am glad that Trump is in the White House.

We need Trump in the White House, and Cruz in the Senate.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 22, 2018, 11:27:06 pm
The bad blood may be with TOS really, I've illustrated how I supported Cruz in that daily poll they had running besides the primary. It seems some upset with Trump are upset with TOS. Some of their remarks over there likewise, are way over-the-top but I don't really participate in those threads. A lot of good people and a lot of sticks in the mud over there.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 22, 2018, 11:35:54 pm
Well, I posted a long essay two days ago outlining all of Trump's actual accomplishments.  It was pretty impressive.  Guess you didn't read it.

Was it anything like that lengthy list of "accomplishments" Legal American posted that was more like wishful thinking than accomplishments? If so, glad I didn't.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on September 22, 2018, 11:41:25 pm
I guess that would be you.

Right. Because the guy standing upon the principles that are supposed to e the point of unity is the guy in the way. The betrayer.  Are you listening to yourself?

Quote
I'm more than willing to support Pubs who will work with Trump to try and push forward a conservative America First agenda. I will compromise where I have to instead of wasting everyone's time demanding 100% purity. The alternative is frightening. If you haven't been looking we are seeing an intolerant left becoming a violent, socialist left that does not believe in individual liberties, especially freedom of speech.

What you are describing is an equally intolerant right, that is equally unmoored from any guiding principle, as shown by your playing the 'purity' card. Conservatism becomes whatever s the popular whim at the time... Be careful you don't become exactly what you are fighting against.

As for me, NO. I will not move. If you care to sally forth, be on your way. Just don't call it Conservatism, because by definition, it is not.
 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 22, 2018, 11:42:37 pm
Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:

@INVAR

@roamer_1

@Once-Ler

I watched the debate.  I even posted the youtube video in the live thread.  Senator Cruz is correct that his job is more important than the things President Trump called Senator Cruz's wife and father.  Cruz is a bigger man than me, because I have not forgiven Trump for those.

Senator Cruz believes there is something left in the GOP worth fighting for.  "Stand for the national anthem," "don't burn the flag," and "honor the police even when they kill their neighbors by mistake," were all big applause lines in TX.  Senator Cruz did not do as well on the issues of reckless spending, tariffs, repealing Obamacare, and ending Planned Parenthood subsidies.

By every measure I saw Senator Cruz beat Beto.  Passionate delivery, speaking to the level of the audience, cadence and dramatic pauses, body language, and superior message all fall in Cruz's favor...but a republican beating a rat on messaging is no longer enough for me...It's like being the prettiest waitress at Denny's.  I still ain't taking her home.     
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 22, 2018, 11:44:43 pm
   The holdup is Ted refuses to sign a NDA.
I got the joke right away.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on September 22, 2018, 11:49:46 pm
Cruz is a bigger man than me, because I have not forgiven Trump for those.

Those things are not the point... Long gone.

THAT he did those things is the point. That he acts so unconscionably is not a matter of forgiveness as it is a matter of extreme caution.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 22, 2018, 11:53:08 pm
Those things are not the point... Long gone.

THAT he did those things is the point. That he acts so unconscionably is not a matter of forgiveness as it is a matter of extreme caution.

That's a better point than what I expressed. :beer:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 22, 2018, 11:57:02 pm
Yeah, and the Cruz campaign committed all kinds of dirty tricks in state after state, too many to say "oh, but Ted didn't do it".

Lying about what Rubio said about the word of God, the Bible, saying Kasich was taking Soros money, claiming Carson first and then, Rubio later, were dropping out. Hey, that's different.

It's not different and the deal is that this happened a lot, not just some statement one can point at by Trump, some statement or numerous, I don't know where the red line is. So, again, those not agreeing with Cruz here, (surprise)  have no moral authority on this.

@Once-Ler

And again, to the best they can, they have done a lot for the pro-life struggle. Others left that struggle but talk about being "pro-life", yeah, right.  Because the bigger picture is more important.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 22, 2018, 11:58:28 pm
Yeah, and the Cruz campaign committed all kinds of dirty tricks in state after state, too many to say "oh, but Ted didn't do it".

Lying about what Rubio said about the word of God, the Bible, saying Kasich was taking Soros money, claiming Carson first and then, Rubio later, were dropping out. Hey, that's different.

It's not different and the deal is that this happened a lot, not just some statement one can point at by Trump, some statement or numerous, I don't know where the red line is. So, again, those not agreeing with Cruz here, (surprise)  have no moral authority on this.

And, you were doing moderately well, Tom, and then you veered out into lala land.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 12:04:20 am
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Sean Gallitz and Katiana Krawchenko CBS News February 22, 2016, 3:39 PM
Cruz asks spokesman to resign after video showed Rubio mocking Bible
Last Updated Feb 22, 2016 5:08 PM EST

Sen. Ted Cruz on Monday announced that he had asked his spokesman Rick Tyler to resign that morning after his campaign pushed a video that made it appear like Sen. Marco Rubio was mocking a Cruz staffer's bible.

"This morning, I asked for Rick Tyler's resignation," Cruz told reporters. "I have made clear in this campaign we will conduct this campaign with the very highest standards and integrity."

Rubio lashed out against the Cruz campaign Monday morning for the video that shows him walking past a Cruz staffer reading the Bible and according to the on-screen text, telling that staffer there are "not many answers" in the Scripture he was reading.

Read more at: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-calls-for-accountability-from-cruz-campaign/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-calls-for-accountability-from-cruz-campaign/)

Cruz camp claimed Rubio insulted Bible.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo3qKI1fQGE#)

Don't come at me with some moral authority on this.....

(http://www.findingtruthmatters.org/articles/biblical-reliability/biblical-reliability-images/Understand-Bible002c.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 12:10:13 am
Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump

I'd love to meet the fool who wrote this headline.  I have a bridge to sell him in Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 01:06:29 am
@Once-Ler
I read your post.  I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries.  IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.

I also understand your assessment of the issue of abortion and President Trump.  It's a more evolved and mature position than "President Trump is the most pro-life President in History."  Certainly more defensible.  I feel frustrated that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress and the Whitehouse for 2 years, passes multiple overfunded budgets, and never once tried to fight PP.  We can both be right.  You can believe they may have done "the best they can," and I believe it's not enough. 

Good post, good points, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my position.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 02:59:25 am
I supported Cruz in the Primary, but I am glad that Trump is in the White House.

We need Trump in the White House, and Cruz in the Senate.

I agree.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Chosen Daughter on September 23, 2018, 04:27:41 am
I watched the debate.  I even posted the youtube video in the live thread.  Senator Cruz is correct that his job is more important than the things President Trump called Senator Cruz's wife and father.  Cruz is a bigger man than me, because I have not forgiven Trump for those.

Senator Cruz believes there is something left in the GOP worth fighting for.  "Stand for the national anthem," "don't burn the flag," and "honor the police even when they kill their neighbors by mistake," were all big applause lines in TX.  Senator Cruz did not do as well on the issues of reckless spending, tariffs, repealing Obamacare, and ending Planned Parenthood subsidies.

By every measure I saw Senator Cruz beat Beto.  Passionate delivery, speaking to the level of the audience, cadence and dramatic pauses, body language, and superior message all fall in Cruz's favor...but a republican beating a rat on messaging is no longer enough for me...It's like being the prettiest waitress at Denny's.  I still ain't taking her home.   

I think Cruz is better at "art of the deal" than Trump.  Power of persuasion.  I didn't hear that we should worship Trump and never criticize him when he does something wrong.  Today I am happy because I read they are working on immigration.  They are no longer going to approve green cards for people who have been on public assistance.  Good Trump.  People will be paying attention.  The gravy train could be coming to a halt.

So I can appreciate, and also criticize.  Like spending bills.  Did Cruz vote for that?  If he did then I will criticize him too.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 04:39:39 am
Was it anything like that lengthy list of "accomplishments" Legal American posted that was more like wishful thinking than accomplishments? If so, glad I didn't.

No, it was a thoughtful article that dealt in some depth with the things Trump has accomplished.

You can probably still find it if you're interested.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 04:41:26 am
@Applewood   here's the link: 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sighlass on September 23, 2018, 05:14:41 am
I guess every election a politician has to kiss some babies and a little arse... Good thing is with Trump you can kill two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 05:17:12 am
What did the Cruz campaign mock? Rubio?

Quote
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/1.html (https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/1.html)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/01/Marco-Rubio-with-Bible-AP-Nati-Harnik-640x480.jpg)

Yes, right,  the Cruz campaign did no wrong.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 23, 2018, 10:43:09 am
   I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months?   I am not your enemy.

If you have tiny little hands, you look for tiny little targets.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 11:17:51 am
Maybe the Trump "fan boys"

Sounds to me like you have not learned a damn thing.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 11:23:56 am
I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.
There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
the Texas delegation met with Cruz and told him "get on board or you are done." A little later Cruz
endorsed Trump.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 11:26:39 am
If I took you seriously, corbe, I'd have to kill myself.  You still haven't explained the NDA thingee.

@Emjay

NDA=non disclosure agreement.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 11:32:54 am
I read your post.  I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries.  IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.

please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 23, 2018, 12:56:09 pm
@Applewood   here's the link: 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html)

Thank you @Emjay

The article confines itself to foreign policy matters and not the domestic issues Trump primarily campaigned on.  Some of the successes and accomplishments are a bit dubious.  For example, I don't see North Korea discontinuing its nuclear program, despite Trump's assurances that NK no longer poses a threat.  About the only accomplishment from that meeting has been the identification of two sets of remains of POWS/MIAs sent over by NK following the summit.  Significant, and I realize it will take time to identify the rest of the remains, but I'm withholding my enthusiastic applause for now. 

On the home front, he has yet to be successful.  Oh, I've heard all the excuses -- that these things take time, that he has a reluctant congress to work with and so on.  But I should think that in two years, he would have been further along in fulfilling his promises by now.  Tax reform was really a tax tweak and while there have been benefits to business and maybe some individuals, most of the rest of us got nothing out of it.  And I'm afraid that Trump's trade war with other countries will wipe out what few benefits were achieved by the tax tweak. 

Although the requirement (mandate) has been removed, Obamacare with all of its ugliness still remains and it looks like both parties want to make it worse by implementing government run health care.  And we still have hordes of illegals and alleged "refugees" flooding into this country. 

Trump was sold as the great negotiator and deal maker.  Although it's up to congress to pass legislation to fulfill all those campaign promises, Trump as president should be ab ble to wield the influence inherent to that position to move his supposed agenda forward.  But I've seen little evidence of the great Art of the Deal negotiator.  Whining, complaining and bullying will not help achieve those goals. 

I'm sorry, but articles like this one praising Trump's supposed achievements are still nothing more than propaganda.  Fact is, on most matters Trump has been a disappointing failure. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: aligncare on September 23, 2018, 12:57:44 pm
please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.

That’s how I recall the whole sordid mess. Trump was true to his word; attack him or his, expect heavy fire in return.

A candidate’s family used to be off limits from political attacks, then culture coarsened. With politics downstream from culture and the stakes so high, it was only a matter of time before one campaign stepped up to the line, another straddle the line and another still takes it to the nth degree.

Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today), and we have a fait accompli. And now society’s gotta deal.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 01:26:57 pm


Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human
evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today),

LOL, too true!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: goodwithagun on September 23, 2018, 01:28:20 pm
That’s how I recall the whole sordid mess. Trump was true to his word; attack him or his, expect heavy fire in return.

A candidate’s family used to be off limits from political attacks, then culture coarsened. With politics downstream from culture and the stakes so high, it was only a matter of time before one campaign stepped up to the line, another straddle the line and another still takes it to the nth degree.

Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today), and we have a fait accompli. And now society’s gotta deal.

It’s a fact that Melania has some questionable pics. Why would pointing out facts be a reason to accuse Cruz’s dad of killing JFK? Pecker lovers are so bizarre.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 01:34:09 pm
I guess every election a politician has to kiss some babies and a little arse... Good thing is with Trump you can kill two birds with one stone.

 ****drummer
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 01:34:18 pm
please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.

Not true, @jpsb
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 01:34:28 pm
There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
the Texas delegation met with Cruz and told him "get on board or you are done." A little later Cruz
endorsed Trump.

...hmm... let's see...Trump threatened to 'spill the beans' on Cruz's wife, he ran a derogatory comparison pic of Heidi and Melania, and he threatened Cruz that he would never win re-election in TX. He also accused Cruz's father of murdering JFK. It was a very nasty campaign with Trump flinging the first blow and I applaud Cruz for his stance.  He never said anything at the convention against Trump, he merely told people to vote their conscious. People had a binary choice; Trump or Clinton.  Trumpsters went ape ship because Cruz didn't come out and endorse Trump.

Actually, Cruz met with Trump and was promised/given a list of conservative justices to replace Scalia it was after that time, that Cruz said he was voting for Trump.  He never actually endorsed him.  One of Cruz's biggest concerns during the campaign was to see that a conservative justice seated.



Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 01:35:46 pm
It’s a fact that Melania has some questionable pics. Why would pointing out facts be a reason to accuse Cruz’s dad of killing JFK? Pecker lovers are so bizarre.

Melania was a professional model in Europe, not a porn star. Does being a model and doing semi-
nudes make one morally unfit to be First Lady in 21 first century? I don't think so but the point is
that Cruz fired the first shot. As for the JFK thing Trump did not start that either and he was just
answering a question from a reporter.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 01:41:17 pm
Not true, @jpsb.

CNN

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump escalated his feud with Ted Cruz on Twitter Tuesday — but this time he also involved the Texas senator's wife, who hit back on Wednesday at an impromptu press conference.
The real estate mogul tweeted that the Texas senator should "be careful" or he would "spill the beans on your wife" Heidi Cruz.
"Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!," he tweeted Tuesday evening, just minutes before polls closed in Arizona. Trump tweeted and deleted a similar version of the Tweet about 10 minutes earlier.


https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html)

Cruz started it

Cruz is up for reelection, it is not wise to piss off Trump supporters by reliving  the 2016 primaries.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 01:42:28 pm
I read your post.  I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries.  IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.

I also understand your assessment of the issue of abortion and President Trump.  It's a more evolved and mature position than "President Trump is the most pro-life President in History."  Certainly more defensible. I feel frustrated that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress and the Whitehouse for 2 years, passes multiple overfunded budgets, and never once tried to fight PP.  We can both be right.  You can believe they may have done "the best they can," and I believe it's not enough. 

Good post, good points, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my position.


Actually the GOP has held the majority for almost 4 years.  PP is one issue, repeal of Bammycare and building the wall are issues that were promised by most and not kept.

They have had every opportunity and yet they sit and do nothing.  Who do they have to blame?  Even with the DEMS being the minority party, they still have managed to retain control.  I shutter to think what's going to happen once they are the majority party.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 01:50:38 pm
...hmm... let's see...Trump threatened to 'spill the beans' on Cruz's wife, he ran a derogatory comparison pic of Heidi and Melania, and he threatened Cruz that he would never win re-election in TX. He also accused Cruz's father of murdering JFK. It was a very nasty campaign with Trump flinging the first blow and I applaud Cruz for his stance.  He never said anything at the convention against Trump, he merely told people to vote their conscious. People had a binary choice; Trump or Clinton.  Trumpsters went ape ship because Cruz didn't come out and endorse Trump.


Bull Shit, you Cruzers are starting to piss me off AGAIN.



BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.


And then he DID NOT endorse Trump at the GOP convention! That is what pissed off the Texas
delegation. He lied and broke his promise.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 02:06:47 pm

Bull Shit, you Cruzers are starting to piss me off AGAIN.



BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?

CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.


And then he DID NOT endorse Trump at the GOP convention! That is what pissed off the Texas
delegation. He lied and broke his promise.

Support and endorse are two different things.

As far as pissi** in your cornflakes this morning because you still can't admit that Trump threw the first punches is not my problem ... most people for crying out loud have moved on.

I strongly support Cruz and I continue to stand behind this President when he deserves praise and a pat on the back ... sorry ... but there are things that this President does and tweets that make me cringe.  I'm not holding anything against him because of his bombastic and narcissistic attacks on Cruz ... to do so is counter productive just as holding it against Cruz that he didn't come out and endorse Trump is counter productive.

Get over it and move on.  Cruz has stood behind Trump more so than most in Congress.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 02:47:01 pm
Support and endorse are two different things.

As far as pissi** in your cornflakes this morning because you still can't admit that Trump threw the first punches is not my problem ...

I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 02:55:08 pm
Donald Trump continued his verbal assault on his top rival’s wife late Wednesday evening with a crude retweet negatively comparing her looks to that of his ex-model wife Melania. On Tuesday, the GOP frontrunner threatened to “spill the beans” on Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi, in return for an unaffiliated super PAC’s ad shaming Melania for having once posed nude for a magazine. In return, Cruz called the reality-TV star a “coward” and Heidi denied that Trump’s innuendo was grounded in reality. Fulfilling his unassailable classiness, however, Trump then manually retweeted a supporter’s message showing side-by-side images of Heidi and Melania, with the caption, “No need to ‘spill the beans,’ the images are worth a thousand words.” Cruz responded shortly thereafter: “Donald, real men don’t attack women. Your wife is lovely, and Heidi is the love of my life.”

(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/d_placeholder_euli9k/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_585/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1/cheats/2016/03/24/trump-attacks-heidi-cruz-s-looks/160323-trump-heidi-cruz-embed_aqsni9)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 03:04:11 pm
@jpsb ...then there's the whole birther issue.

Do you really want to continue on?  I think it's much more productive and good for the country that these 2 powerhouses get along and work toward their goals which are very similar.

Cruz let the past go a long long time ago and has repeatedly stood by this President when he felt he was right. To sit and cast stones almost two years after the fact is ridiculous and counter productive.  Without these 2 men (and a small handful of others), this country would be in a world of hurt right now.

If it means more to you to hold a grudge against Cruz than to help ensure that TX remains red, so be it.

Next.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 03:19:36 pm
Thank you @Emjay

The article confines itself to foreign policy matters and not the domestic issues Trump primarily campaigned on.  Some of the successes and accomplishments are a bit dubious.  For example, I don't see North Korea discontinuing its nuclear program, despite Trump's assurances that NK no longer poses a threat.  About the only accomplishment from that meeting has been the identification of two sets of remains of POWS/MIAs sent over by NK following the summit.  Significant, and I realize it will take time to identify the rest of the remains, but I'm withholding my enthusiastic applause for now. 

On the home front, he has yet to be successful.  Oh, I've heard all the excuses -- that these things take time, that he has a reluctant congress to work with and so on.  But I should think that in two years, he would have been further along in fulfilling his promises by now.  Tax reform was really a tax tweak and while there have been benefits to business and maybe some individuals, most of the rest of us got nothing out of it.  And I'm afraid that Trump's trade war with other countries will wipe out what few benefits were achieved by the tax tweak. 

Although the requirement (mandate) has been removed, Obamacare with all of its ugliness still remains and it looks like both parties want to make it worse by implementing government run health care.  And we still have hordes of illegals and alleged "refugees" flooding into this country. 

Trump was sold as the great negotiator and deal maker.  Although it's up to congress to pass legislation to fulfill all those campaign promises, Trump as president should be ab ble to wield the influence inherent to that position to move his supposed agenda forward.  But I've seen little evidence of the great Art of the Deal negotiator.  Whining, complaining and bullying will not help achieve those goals. 

I'm sorry, but articles like this one praising Trump's supposed achievements are still nothing more than propaganda.  Fact is, on most matters Trump has been a disappointing failure.

Well @Applewood  I do thank you for reading the article. I was more impressed than you were and I have been more impressed with Trump's presidency than you are, but that's life.

I do not consider Trump a disappointing failure at all.  Maybe it's because I expected very little from him and he has been so much better than I expected.  Even though you may not credit Trump with it, the economy is definitely on the upswing.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 03:22:29 pm
I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.

GIVE IT UP.  I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady.  It is totally not within his character to do something like that.

What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 03:29:21 pm
GIVE IT UP.  I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady.  It is totally not within his character to do something like that.

What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?

 :amen:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 03:33:35 pm
I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.

@jpsb A Trump tweet is not a document or truthful.  @libertybele accurately responded that an unaffiliated super PAC released the ad.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 03:34:41 pm
GIVE IT UP.  I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady.  It is totally not within his character to do something like that.

What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?

I didn't start this but I damn well will see to it that the truth is told. I am also offended that you think it is OK to call Trump supporters "Trump fan boys".


(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/melania-628x356.png)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 03:48:37 pm
I didn't start this but I damn well will see to it that the truth is told. I am also offended that you think it is OK to call Trump supporters "Trump fan boys".


(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/melania-628x356.png)

Who said it is okay to call Trump supporters demeaning things?  @jpsb   I certainly didn't and I despise the practice.

But you are tilting at windmills here and wasting all of our time on some futile grudge that should have been put to rest years ago.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 04:00:47 pm
Who said it is okay to call Trump supporters demeaning things?  @jpsb   I certainly didn't and I despise the practice.

But you are tilting at windmills here and wasting all of our time on some futile grudge that should have been put to rest years ago.

@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 04:10:31 pm
GIVE IT UP.  I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady.  It is totally not within his character to do something like that.

What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?

 :beer:

It's nice when we agree like we used to about just about everything.....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:11:55 pm
I got the joke right away.

Same
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 04:12:12 pm
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.

You've been told many, many, many, many times before, but for the record:

THE CRUZ CAMPAIGN DID NOT RELEASE THAT AD.

Unaffiliated PAC's can do whatever they want, and that is what happened.

IT WAS NOT CRUZ.  Get OVER it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 04:12:18 pm
   All the Trumpers I know are going to vote for Cruz, sure some are more apprehensive than others but as @Emjay mentioned they see the 'big picture'.   
   Personally, I couldn't care less if they did or didn't, Cruz being a man of integrity will not grovel before you @jpsb and promise you free Cheetos for life, paid for by the mesicans.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 04:14:26 pm
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.

It Trumpsters would rather continue to hold a grudge to the point that they'd rather let TX turn blue than vote for a true conservative, that's certainly their choice.  It definitely shows their true colors; you might as well put them in a corner and let them suck their thumbs or hold their breath till they turn blue and they will be the first ones to gripe when a DEM wins TX and the rest of this country follows.

BTW it was not one of Cruz's people but a member of a Super Pac - what part of that don't you comprehend?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 04:15:17 pm
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.

 :thumbsup:

As said earlier, the Cruz campaign was almost pulling a dirty trick in every state.

They really have blinders on.

Quote
Rubio Campaign: ‘No Lie Is Too Big And No Trick Too Dirty’ For Ted Cruz

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) is weighing in after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) asked for the resignation of his Communications Director, saying that “no lie is too big and no trick too dirty” for Cruz.

“Rick is a really good spokesman who had the unenviable task of working for a candidate willing to do or say anything to get elected,” the Rubio campaign told Patrick Svitek of Texas Monthly.

“There is a culture in the Cruz campaign, from top to bottom, that no lie is too big and no trick too dirty. Rick did the right thing by apologizing to Marco. It’s high time for Ted Cruz to do the right thing and stop the lies.”

Read more at: https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/rubio-campaign-no-lie-is-too-big-and-no-trick-too-dirty-for-ted-cruz/ (https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/rubio-campaign-no-lie-is-too-big-and-no-trick-too-dirty-for-ted-cruz/)

We go through the primaries and then, when it is over, we support the nominee, speaking for myself. The campaigns get dirty from virtually all sides.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:17:46 pm
Melania was a professional model in Europe, not a porn star. Does being a model and doing semi-
nudes make one morally unfit to be First Lady in 21 first century? I don't think so but the point is
that Cruz fired the first shot. As for the JFK thing Trump did not start that either and he was just
answering a question from a reporter.

@jpsb

I don’t think details are necessary, really.  Let’s just blame Cruz for things he didn’t do, firstly.  But more importantly, Trump is never at fault.  For anything.  And we’re good to go.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 04:18:06 pm
Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump

I'd love to meet the fool who wrote this headline.  I have a bridge to sell him in Brooklyn.

Very bad grammar too.

Why don't "journalists" understand even basic English any more?  :shrug:

Prepositions such as "between" require OBJECTS......... "him," not "he."
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 04:18:25 pm
You've been told many, many, many, many times before, but for the record:

THE CRUZ CAMPAIGN DID NOT RELEASE THAT AD.

Unaffiliated PAC's can do whatever they want, and that is what happened.

IT WAS NOT CRUZ.  Get OVER it.


Exactly. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:20:11 pm
CNN

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump escalated his feud with Ted Cruz on Twitter Tuesday — but this time he also involved the Texas senator's wife, who hit back on Wednesday at an impromptu press conference.
The real estate mogul tweeted that the Texas senator should "be careful" or he would "spill the beans on your wife" Heidi Cruz.
"Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!," he tweeted Tuesday evening, just minutes before polls closed in Arizona. Trump tweeted and deleted a similar version of the Tweet about 10 minutes earlier.


https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html)

Cruz started it

Cruz is up for reelection, it is not wise to piss off Trump supporters by reliving  the 2016 primaries.

@jpsb

Isn’t CNN fake news?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 04:20:59 pm
   The very first question of the first GOP debate all 17 candidates on stage was asked by Bret Baire if they would eventually support the nominee, regardless of who he/she was, all answered in the affirmative except for one, wanna guess?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 04:21:29 pm
Exactly.

Apparently the facts don't actually matter.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 04:22:59 pm
@jpsb

Isn’t CNN fake news?

Apparently not when they use the words, "LYIN' TED."  *****rollingeyes*****

@CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 04:23:41 pm
I didn't start this but I damn well will see to it that the truth is told. I am also offended that you think it is OK to call Trump supporters "Trump fan boys".


(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/melania-628x356.png)

You are the one who chose to put the racy picture of Melania up here.  I really like Melania and I really resent anyone resurrecting that picture.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:23:42 pm
I keep trying to like Trump and then these guys keep bringing up the fake stories about Cruz and the real stories about Trump and I remember all over again why I didn't like him.

However the delusions of a few are not enough to keep me from supporting Trump's better efforts.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:25:58 pm
Apparently not when they use the words, "LYIN' TED."  *****rollingeyes*****

@CatherineofAragon

@musiclady

That’s the magic phrase, all right.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 04:26:08 pm
I started this thread and it has become a farce.  I just asked the MODs to close it.

Apparently, they want to let the circus continue.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 23, 2018, 04:26:13 pm
It Trumpsters would rather continue to hold a grudge to the point that they'd rather let TX turn blue than vote for a true conservative, that's certainly their choice.  It definitely shows their true colors; you might as well put them in a corner and let them suck their thumbs or hold their breath till they turn blue and they will be the first ones to gripe when a DEM wins TX and the rest of this country follows. 

BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.

So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:28:56 pm
I keep trying to like Trump and then these guys keep bringing up the fake stories about Cruz and the real stories about Trump and I remember all over again why I didn't like him.

However the delusions of a few are not enough to keep me from supporting Trump's better efforts.

@Sanguine

I agree.  Some of the stuff you see from the hardcore fans just serves to turn people off, and they don’t see it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:29:10 pm
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.

So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush.  Thanks.

Yes, it was and thank you, RIV.  It is unfortunate that these few members continue to spread these lies and remind us of the unpleasantness of the campaign.  We particularly need to be forward focused and continue to fight the right fight.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 04:29:57 pm
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.

So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush.  Thanks.

Ant-trumpers are not part of the great pluses that the Trump movement has made regarding the right to life issue.  As the Fonz use to say, "Go Sit On It" to these cynics.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 04:31:38 pm
   The very first question of the first GOP debate all 17 candidates on stage was asked by Bret Baire if they would eventually support the nominee, regardless of who he/she was, all answered in the affirmative except for one, wanna guess?

ummm.... Jeb!   :silly:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 04:33:49 pm
ummm.... Jeb!   :silly:


    Clue #2:  The aforementioned person skipped the second debate cause Megan was bleeding out of everywhere.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 04:35:20 pm
Yes, it was and thank you, RIV.  It is unfortunate that these few members continue to spread these lies and remind us of the unpleasantness of the campaign. 
Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 04:36:41 pm
@bilo   Yes.  Why won't these NTers give up their petty grievances and focus on the real and frightening enemy.  As you say, it's become a violent, socialist left that glorifies every perversion available to man, woman, or IT.

And stops at nothing to gain their ends.  Just look at this ridiculous delay on the Kavanaugh vote engineered by DiFi and a willing accomplice.

@Emjay

What does this mean, though—giving up grievances and focusing on the enemy?  Does it mean we should stop criticizing Trump?  Make only positive comments about him?  Because that’s sort of the way TOS operates.

Also, how do the posts of some people on an internet forum affect Trump, or his agenda, or the left in any way?

I’ve asked this question many times of Trump fans here, and I’ve yet to get a reply.  Maybe today will be the first time.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 04:37:26 pm
Ant-trumpers are not part of the great pluses that the Trump movement has made regarding the right to life issue.  As the Fonz use to say, "Go Sit On It" to these cynics.

I can't believe you're bringing the Fonz into this.  low blow man.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 04:37:36 pm
Yes, it was and thank you, RIV.  It is unfortunate that these few members continue to spread these lies and remind us of the unpleasantness of the campaign.  We particularly need to be forward focused and continue to fight the right fight.

I find it difficult to understand why some people feel compelled to continue smearing Cruz two years after he was vanquished by Trump.  There isn't one molecule of constructiveness in this continued bashing.

Just can't accept a win, the loser must be totally destroyed, even if it costs a badly needed seat in TX.  Exactly as I predicted two years ago.  Good going, you-know-who-you-are.

Final note to the aforementioned Briefers:  If you are stuck on the notion that Cruz is the most vicious of liars, why on earth are you urging Texans to return such a low-life to the Senate?  One would think that if he's such a filthy lair, why aren't you touting Beto?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:37:52 pm
Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?

No, I was talking about you. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 04:39:28 pm
Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?

I'd guess they know who they are, if they have one gram of self-awareness.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 04:40:44 pm
No, I was talking about you.

Some are more self-aware than others.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 04:41:35 pm
   For the record I am equally pissed at Cruz for voting for that bloated budget last week and Trump for signing it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:44:35 pm
Some are more self-aware than others.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:45:29 pm
   For the record I am equally pissed at Cruz for voting for that bloated budget last week and Trump for signing it.

Was that the one that paid for the military and legislature?  It wasn't the whole bloat was it?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 04:49:17 pm
:laugh:
You're on a roll... 888high58888
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 04:50:41 pm
You're on a roll... 888high58888

Yes, @Sanguine is good.  I often ping her to come check on my own sanity.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 04:51:11 pm
You are the one who chose to put the racy picture of Melania up here.  I really like Melania and I really resent anyone resurrecting that picture.

@Emjay

I did not want to post that ad, but you forced me to when you said Ted would never do that. His
campaign manager secured the copy rights to that pic and then Ted campaign surrogates used it.

The fact is that ad started a very nasty part of the primaries. Hit Trump and you can expect to be
hit back. FYI I am not attacking Cruz as much as I am defending Trump. If the Cruzers would just
stop blaming Trump for all the bad blood I would not be forced to defend Trump.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 04:53:53 pm

Bullshit @DCPatriot
Do you really think this is about 'personal rivalries and hurt feelings'?
Is there any reason to call me here other than to waste my time?


*  When @INVAR told us ow much he hated...er, excuse me, "disliked" Donald Trump, from Day 1 ..."hate" was verboten at the time in order to keep NT heads from exploding...I told him in no uncertain terms to take his withheld vote and stick it up his ass.

**  From that day forward he keeps reminding us that he was told he wasn't needed, so we can all GTH...while he sits on the sidelines salivating each time the media poses forward another negative item about the President.  Hoping for his "I tried to tell you all!  Look how smart and superior I am".

*** @roamer_1   You, OTOH, chose your 'weapon' early on.  You found a brother in Invar. 

Your moral standard, of which I'm sure you live 24/7/365 the best you know how, is unrealistic for most people, let alone a self-made billionaire from Queens, NY.

A billionaire who recognizes the wisdom of trickle down economics.  One who recognizes you have to take pics and donate to people who you wouldn't play golf with on a regular basis.

But a tip-of-the-cap to you roamer...despite the overwhelming evidence to support his accomplishments/efforts to roll back destructive Obama policies, you too state you'll do it from the sidelines because there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties.

And that's the crux of where you get 'thrown off the island'.  No matter how engaging, no one should take seriously, anyone who STILL won't acknowledge the stark differences between the Republican and Democrat parties.   :laugh:

I never disliked Ted Cruz.  Had he won, I'd have supported him just like I did McCain and Romney.

But I knew nobody stood a chance against Donald Trump.  From any party.

And just as I suspected as evidenced by this thread...there is still a lot of tension between the primary factions... three years on.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 04:55:11 pm
The important thing in the big picture is to win the Presidency, I didn't think Trump would though gave him my support.

Cruz did not win anywhere in the nation's largest area of Conservatism, the Deep South, no Georgia like Newt got, no Mississippi, no South Carolina, not even Louisiana. That did not bode well for a general election, sure, he would still probably nab that area in the general. I'm not counting his homestate in this nor neighboring Oklahoma.

All indications are, we may be working with a Romney 2012 situation, btw, Ted endorsed Mitt. Another point I note, some Cruz-ers are not in accordance with.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 04:56:50 pm
@Emjay

I did not want to post that ad, but you forced me to when you said Ted would never do that. His
campaign manager secured the copy rights to that pic and then Ted campaign surrogates used it.

The fact is that ad started a very nasty part of the primaries. Hit Trump and you can expect to be
hit back. FYI I am not attacking Cruz as much as I am defending Trump. If the Cruzers would just
stop blaming Trump for all the bad blood I would not be forced to defend Trump.

I wouldn't think twice about it. It's not character assassination, it's not bringing in things off-topic to stir things up as some people have done.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:57:48 pm
The important thing in the big picture is to win the Presidency, I didn't think Trump would though gave him my support.

Cruz did not win anywhere in the nation's largest area of Conservatism, the Deep South, no Georgia like Newt got, no Mississippi, no South Carolina, not even Louisiana. That did not bode well for a general election, sure, he would still probably nab that area in the general. I'm not counting his homestate in this nor neighboring Oklahoma.

All indications are, we may be working with a Romney 2012 situation, btw, Ted endorsed Mitt. Another point I note, some Cruz-ers are not in accordance with.

Not sure what you're trying to say here, Tom, but bottom line - quite with the untruths and we're fine.  Dredging up old lies doesn't benefit anyone and makes the dredger look less than honest.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 04:58:43 pm
Yes, @Sanguine is good.  I often ping her to come check on my own sanity.

You are one of the sanest among us. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 05:02:58 pm
@Sanguine

Headed into tough re-election, Cruz sides with GOP leaders on big spending bill

By Andrea Drusch
September 18, 2018 03:44 PM 


 Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on Tuesday broke with Senate conservatives to support a government funding bill that provides a boost in defense spending — along with money for public broadcasting, Head Start programs and the operation of Obamacare.

The move is out of character for Cruz, who five years ago orchestrated a government shutdown in the name of defunding Obamacare.

Just two months ago Cruz boasted that he’d voted against Congress’s then-most recent major spending bill, which he said included the “single biggest rebuilding of our military since Ronald Reagan,” at the expense of “a massive increase in non-defense spending.”

Now Cruz is in the midst of a tougher-than-expected re-election race, where GOP leaders, including a super PAC aligned with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky plan to help him.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy
 (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 05:10:48 pm
@Emjay

What does this mean, though—giving up grievances and focusing on the enemy?  Does it mean we should stop criticizing Trump?  Make only positive comments about him?  Because that’s sort of the way TOS operates.

Also, how do the posts of some people on an internet forum affect Trump, or his agenda, or the left in any way?

I’ve asked this question many times of Trump fans here, and I’ve yet to get a reply.  Maybe today will be the first time.

@CatherineofAragon   Of course not and I have never said that.  I was disgusted because the thread had disintegrated into vicious and unrealistic attacks on Ted Cruz, who is a good man and one of my favorites.

As for the posts on this forum, they have no effect on the real world but do provide a glimpse of how various Republicans (or people who swear they will never vote Republican) feel.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 05:11:18 pm
@Emjay

I did not want to post that ad, but you forced me to when you said Ted would never do that. His
campaign manager secured the copy rights to that pic and then Ted campaign surrogates used it.

The fact is that ad started a very nasty part of the primaries. Hit Trump and you can expect to be
hit back. FYI I am not attacking Cruz as much as I am defending Trump. If the Cruzers would just
stop blaming Trump for all the bad blood I would not be forced to defend Trump.

Not so, @jpsb

Again:

Quote
After a super PAC unrelated to Cruz published an ad using a suggestive photo of Trump’s wife, Melania, from GQ, Trump laid the blame on Cruz anyway.

“Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad,” Trump tweeted Tuesday. “Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!”

While it remains unclear what “beans” Trump was referring to, he posted an image on his Twitter account Wednesday another user had tweeted insulting the appearance of Cruz’s wife, Heidi Cruz:

Cruz responded shortly afterward. He did not insult Trump’s wife in return:

Later, on Thursday, Cruz called Trump "a sniveling coward" and told him to "leave Heidi the hell alone."

That morning, Cruz’s campaign denounced the ad depicting Trump’s wife and stressed it had no affiliation with the super PAC Make America Awesome that created it....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/24/donald-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/24/donald-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/)

You need a new shtick.  This one is way past old.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 05:12:51 pm
The important thing in the big picture is to win the Presidency, I didn't think Trump would though gave him my support.

Cruz did not win anywhere in the nation's largest area of Conservatism, the Deep South, no Georgia like Newt got, no Mississippi, no South Carolina, not even Louisiana. That did not bode well for a general election, sure, he would still probably nab that area in the general. I'm not counting his homestate in this nor neighboring Oklahoma.

All indications are, we may be working with a Romney 2012 situation, btw, Ted endorsed Mitt. Another point I note, some Cruz-ers are not in accordance with.

   With all due respect @TomSea and I mean that sincerely, at the same time Pecker was arranging payments for the Trump whores silence, he released this a week before Super Tuesday.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/Cruz-498090.jpg)

   Perhaps the Evangelicals believed this crap.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 05:13:05 pm
@Sanguine

Headed into tough re-election, Cruz sides with GOP leaders on big spending bill

By Andrea Drusch
September 18, 2018 03:44 PM 


 Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on Tuesday broke with Senate conservatives to support a government funding bill that provides a boost in defense spending — along with money for public broadcasting, Head Start programs and the operation of Obamacare.

The move is out of character for Cruz, who five years ago orchestrated a government shutdown in the name of defunding Obamacare.

Just two months ago Cruz boasted that he’d voted against Congress’s then-most recent major spending bill, which he said included the “single biggest rebuilding of our military since Ronald Reagan,” at the expense of “a massive increase in non-defense spending.”

Now Cruz is in the midst of a tougher-than-expected re-election race, where GOP leaders, including a super PAC aligned with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky plan to help him.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy
 (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy)

Doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 05:14:28 pm
*  When @INVAR told us ow much he hated...er, excuse me, "disliked" Donald Trump, from Day 1 ..."hate" was verboten at the time in order to keep NT heads from exploding...I told him in no uncertain terms to take his withheld vote and stick it up his ass.

**  From that day forward he keeps reminding us that he was told he wasn't needed, so we can all GTH...while he sits on the sidelines salivating each time the media poses forward another negative item about the President.  Hoping for his "I tried to tell you all!  Look how smart and superior I am".

*** @roamer_1   You, OTOH, chose your 'weapon' early on.  You found a brother in Invar. 

Your moral standard, of which I'm sure you live 24/7/365 the best you know how, is unrealistic for most people, let alone a self-made billionaire from Queens, NY.

A billionaire who recognizes the wisdom of trickle down economics.  One who recognizes you have to take pics and donate to people who you wouldn't play golf with on a regular basis.

But a tip-of-the-cap to you roamer...despite the overwhelming evidence to support his accomplishments/efforts to roll back destructive Obama policies, you too state you'll do it from the sidelines because there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties.

And that's the crux of where you get 'thrown off the island'.  No matter how engaging, no one should take seriously, anyone who STILL won't acknowledge the stark differences between the Republican and Democrat parties.   :laugh:

I never disliked Ted Cruz.  Had he won, I'd have supported him just like I did McCain and Romney.

But I knew nobody stood a chance against Donald Trump.  From any party.

And just as I suspected as evidenced by this thread...there is still a lot of tension between the primary factions... three years on.

All very true and valuable @DCPatriot   Thank God for the rare posts of sanity around here.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 05:14:39 pm
   For the record I am equally pissed at Cruz for voting for that bloated budget last week and Trump for signing it.

Nobody is more pissed that President Trump signed it than President Trump himself.  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1042740913968164864
Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I want to know, where is the money for Border Security and the WALL in this ridiculous Spending Bill, and where will it come from after the Midterms? Dems are obstructing Law Enforcement and Border Security. REPUBLICANS MUST FINALLY GET TOUGH!
4:43 AM - 20 Sep 2018
REPUBLICANS MUST FINALLY GET TOUGH!  President Trump is right dammit.  When is someone gonna hold them accountable? <reads the room> come up with really good excuses?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 05:17:39 pm
   With all due respect @TomSea and I mean that sincerely, at the same time Pecker was arranging payments for the Trump whores silence, he released this a week before Super Tuesday.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/Cruz-498090.jpg)

   Perhaps the Evangelicals believed this crap.

Do you go along with Cruz endorsing Romney? Are those your views?

Do you go along with Cruz's support of Trump?

Call me, when you actually follow what Ted Cruz says.

Yeah, that's a good one, those hillbillies in Tennessee being swayed by the National Enquirer.  :silly:

Miss the attacks on Rubio and the Bible? Why not assign these events as important. Or saying Carson was dropping out of Iowa.

@corbe

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/22/13/3170B06300000578-3458386-image-m-9_1456148898093.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 05:20:18 pm
Do you go along with Cruz endorsing Romney? Are those your views?

Do you go along with Cruz's support of Trump?

Call me, when you actually follow what Ted Cruz says.

Yeah, that's a good one, those hillbillies in Tennessee being swayed by the National Enquirer.  :silly:

Miss the attacks on Rubio and the Bible? Why not assign these events as important. Or saying Carson was dropping out of Iowa.

@corbe
@TomSea
Hey at least they don’t accuse strangers of supporting child abuse, right?

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 05:28:23 pm
Hey at least they don’t accuse strangers of supporting child abuse, right?



The current situation in Washington should show us all clearly who the real enemy is and how ruthless and lawless they are.

The left depends heavily on liberal judges and justices because their agenda will not pass any other way.  I happened to listen to NPR this morning (because it's the only station I can get) and a woman was saying how desperate the dems are to avoid having a young, conservative justice on the courts that might destroy their majority for years to come.

This entire farce with this Judge woman is a last-ditch, desperate attempt to thwart Trump's nomination to the court.

I am absolutely sick about it and sick about what this fine man and his family are having to go through because of the ruthless venom of DiFi and her willing partner-in-crime.

That is the enemy, folks.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: MOD8 on September 23, 2018, 05:33:11 pm
Gentleman, Please, it's Sunday afterall.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 05:39:02 pm
Gentleman, Please, it's Sunday afterall.

I apologize...just responded to somebody who I pinged who suggested I was wasting his time.

REDSKINS just scored 2nd touchdown to go ahead 14-0 against the PACKERS with 2:14 in the 1st quarter.

3 pass interference penalties called on the GB defense in the 2nd drive
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 05:40:26 pm
I apologize...just responded to somebody who I pinged who suggested I was wasting his time.

REDSKINS just scored 2nd touchdown to go ahead 14-0 against the PACKERS with 2:14 in the 1st quarter.

3 pass interference penalties called on the GB defense in the 2nd drive

I hate Flag Football ... unless it's against the other team.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 05:45:42 pm
@TomSea
Hey at least they don’t accuse strangers of supporting child abuse, right?

Yeah, that they don't.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 05:46:59 pm
I was really for Cruz though, I think that in Iowa sunk Dr. Ben Carson who would be president if not for that.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 05:49:44 pm
I'm just tired of people who continue to declare Cruz a filthy liar and beneath contempt, advocating for his reelection to the US Senate.  Some consistency of opinion would be nice.

I suggested earlier these folks would know who they are, but I supposed incorrectly.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Applewood on September 23, 2018, 05:53:25 pm
Well @Applewood  I do thank you for reading the article. I was more impressed than you were and I have been more impressed with Trump's presidency than you are, but that's life.

I do not consider Trump a disappointing failure at all.  Maybe it's because I expected very little from him and he has been so much better than I expected.  Even though you may not credit Trump with it, the economy is definitely on the upswing.

I was disappointed that Trump won the primaries, but I did hope that perhaps he would prove me wrong about him.  Believe me, if he had, not only would I eat crow, I would have rejoiced.  After 8 years of Obama, I was looking forward to sanity, class and conservativism. 

I see none of the above in this presidency.

As for the economy -- well, I don't trust the numbers and haven't for years.  Seems BLS and other agencies employ creative math for every presidency.  During Obama's 8 years, the numbers fudging was on steroids. How do any of us know the stats during this administration are anything close to reality? 

But even if they are right,  I am concerned that any improvement in the economy will come to a crashing halt, thanks to the trade wars.  So far, it looks like the supposed benefits of tariffs are being negated by failing businesses and rising prices.  People are suffering and the suffering will get worse.


Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 05:53:48 pm
The expression that comes to mind, is they can dish it out but they can't take it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 06:00:29 pm
I apologize...just responded to somebody who I pinged who suggested I was wasting his time.

REDSKINS just scored 2nd touchdown to go ahead 14-0 against the PACKERS with 2:14 in the 1st quarter.

3 pass interference penalties called on the GB defense in the 2nd drive

Since it is Sunday, I wholeheartedly approve of Football analogies. 888high58888

I had a couple of other comments, but taking Mod8's plea to heart, I self-edit.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 06:10:40 pm
Since it is Sunday, I wholeheartedly approve of Football analogies. 888high58888

I had a couple of other comments, but taking Mod8's plea to heart, I self-edit.

Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years...   happy77
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:11:27 pm
I was disappointed that Trump won the primaries, but I did hope that perhaps he would prove me wrong about him.  Believe me, if he had, not only would I eat crow, I would have rejoiced.  After 8 years of Obama, I was looking forward to sanity, class and conservativism. 

I see none of the above in this presidency.

As for the economy -- well, I don't trust the numbers and haven't for years.  Seems BLS and other agencies employ creative math for every presidency.  During Obama's 8 years, the numbers fudging was on steroids. How do any of us know the stats during this administration are anything close to reality? 

But even if they are right,  I am concerned that any improvement in the economy will come to a crashing halt, thanks to the trade wars.  So far, it looks like the supposed benefits of tariffs are being negated by failing businesses and rising prices.  People are suffering and the suffering will get worse.

It's all a matter of perception.  I wanted Trump to succeed and I think he has.  My daughter is a Human Resources Director and she says it is definitely a job seeker's market right now, and that is a stark change for the better.

We won't know for a while how the tariffs and trade wars will work out in the long run, but I like the fact that Trump recognizes and cares about America being taken advantage of in the world economy.  He is the first President who has cared about that.

I don't think people are suffering because of Trump's policies.  quite the contrary.

But the bottom line is that unless people who hate Trump see a valid alternative there is not a hell of a lot of upside in constantly criticizing him.

The only alternative that I can see is the country falling back into the hands of the evil Left.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 06:13:50 pm
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years...   happy77

Congrats!  :beer:

Skins are up 21-3  with 4:30 left in the 1st half.  We're talking vs. Aaron Rogers, ladies and germs.    :patriot:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:13:55 pm
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years...   happy77

The Cowboys play Seattle today in a couple of hours Hawaii time.  Seattle has to be desperate.  They are 0 and 2 and the Cowboys seem to come around a little last week.  I'm hoping they re-sign Dez.  He's a bit of a nut but he can be a great wide receiver when he's on his game.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 06:16:28 pm
Someone actually watches the NFL??? It has to be said if the thread has these comments made.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 06:18:17 pm
The Cowboys play Seattle today in a couple of hours Hawaii time.  Seattle has to be desperate.  They are 0 and 2 and the Cowboys seem to come around a little last week.  I'm hoping they re-sign Dez.  He's a bit of a nut but he can be a great wide receiver when he's on his game.

I'm watching THAT one, @Emjay !

Mystery is.... how in the hell can the Buffalo Bills be up 27-0 vs the Vikings (Kirk Cousins my hero)??

Packers just scored....21-10 with 2:15 to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 06:19:17 pm
Someone actually watches the NFL??? It has to be said if the thread has these comments made.

On...in the background....along with the Tiger Woods comeback!    :beer:   white noise.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Sanguine on September 23, 2018, 06:19:44 pm
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years...   happy77

And, The University stomped TCU yesterday.  First time in 5? years. 

(I'm not watching pro-ball, but there's lots of college ball to watch)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:21:01 pm
Someone actually watches the NFL??? It has to be said if the thread has these comments made.

I would dismantle the ownership of the NFL if I could, but no actions by players with a ten cent brain and a hundred dollar body are gonna stop me from watching football.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 06:21:43 pm
   Tiger needs a win today and it's looking good, watching PGA in the background also @DCPatriot
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 06:21:54 pm
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years...   happy77
I found out about that Tuesday from Q post #206578
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 23, 2018, 06:23:13 pm
I would dismantle the ownership of the NFL if I could, but no actions by players with a ten cent brain and a hundred dollar body are gonna stop me from watching football.

@Emjay  :laugh:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 06:26:08 pm
@CatherineofAragon   Of course not and I have never said that.  I was disgusted because the thread had disintegrated into vicious and unrealistic attacks on Ted Cruz, who is a good man and one of my favorites.

As for the posts on this forum, they have no effect on the real world but do provide a glimpse of how various Republicans (or people who swear they will never vote Republican) feel.

@Emjay

Okay, fair enough.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 06:27:34 pm


But the bottom line is that unless people who hate Trump see a valid alternative there is not a hell of a lot of upside in constantly criticizing him.

@Emjay

First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do.  Not good enough, they say.  Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized?  That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.

Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: skeeter on September 23, 2018, 06:33:33 pm
@Emjay

First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do.  Not good enough, they say.  Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized?  That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.

Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized

I constantly read that from some of his most vocal critics. But while I see plenty of criticism, I rarely if ever see the 'credit where credit is due' posts from these folks.

Frankly I couldn't care less whether they ever come around. I just don't see the sense in the incessant yapping.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 06:36:30 pm
And, The University stomped TCU yesterday.  First time in 5? years. 

(I'm not watching pro-ball, but there's lots of college ball to watch)

I strongly prefer college ball to the histrionics and hot dogginess of the NFL, so when the kneeling thing started, I pretty much stopped watching the NFL altogether other than the playoffs.

The Buckeyes are starting strong this year with a very young team.  Not much competition other than TCU, and they ended up winning 40-28.

We'll see what happens with Penn State and without Nick Bosa.  That'll be the test to see if they can stay in the top four.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: musiclady on September 23, 2018, 06:37:37 pm
I found out about that Tuesday from Q post #206578

Pretty cool since it happened Thursday.

That Q stuff is downright AMAZING!!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 06:37:41 pm
I constantly read that from some of his most vocal critics. But while I see plenty of criticism, I rarely if ever see the 'credit where credit is due' posts from these folks.

Frankly I couldn't care less whether they ever come around. I just don't see the sense in the incessant yapping.

Then frankly you’re not looking very hard.   Go back and look at my posts and see how I often rip him vs how often I’ve given credit...and am still told over and over as nauseum...”that ain’t good enough”

Hell...look at your own post
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: skeeter on September 23, 2018, 06:40:15 pm

Hell...look at your own post

Exactly. And look at your reaction to it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: jpsb on September 23, 2018, 06:40:55 pm


Please show me a Trump supporter here that demands that Trump not be criticized.

My first post on this thread pointed out how all the NTers here had no problem (where high fiveing
one another) with referring to Trump supporters as "Trump fan boys". Insulting folks is not a very
effective tool if your goal is to build support.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 06:43:28 pm
   Tiger needs a win today and it's looking good, watching PGA in the background also @DCPatriot

 :beer:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:45:28 pm
@Emjay

First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do.  Not good enough, they say.  Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized?  That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.

Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized

@Axeslinger   That is the stupidest thing you've ever read here?  Wow ... you must have missed a lot of posts.

That is not what I said.  I said it is futile and not constructive to spend all your time criticizing Trump and I stand by that.

I did not say you shouldn't or couldn't criticize him.

Man up, baby.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 23, 2018, 06:46:12 pm
@Emjay

First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do.  Not good enough, they say.  Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized?  That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.

Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized

@Axeslinger
@Emjay

Exactly. If you say you want people to give him credit, and you do, and they deny it, then you're done.

The point remains that he can be criticized whether others see an upside or not.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 06:47:38 pm

Please show me a Trump supporter here that demands that Trump not be criticized.

My first post on this thread pointed out how all the NTers here had no problem (where high fiveing
one another) with referring to Trump supporters as "Trump fan boys". Insulting folks is not a very
effective tool if your goal is to build support.

We don’t need to build support for trump...that’s your role...he’s your guy.   All we want is to be left the hell alone and not told over and over and over that WE are enemy, that WE are should NOT  criticize, that whatever kudos we have given are not sufficient.

  Instead of worrying about us, why don’t you go try and woo some independents?  Why?  Because y’all just cannot abide anyone who does not bend their knee to your guy.  It’s repugnant
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:49:19 pm
@Axeslinger
@Emjay

Exactly. If you say you want people to give him credit, and you do, and they deny it, then you're done.

The point remains that he can be criticized whether others see an upside or not.

I don't give a rat's ass whether people criticize Trump or not.  And that is a good thing because I know they will.

I just don't see the upside in spending all your time doing that, but if it makes you happy, go for it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 06:50:13 pm
@Axeslinger   That is the stupidest thing you've ever read here?  Wow ... you must have missed a lot of posts.

That is not what I said.  I said it is futile and not constructive to spend all your time criticizing Trump and I stand by that.

I did not say you shouldn't or couldn't criticize him.

Man up, baby.

But somehow, oddly enough, y’all do it EVERY SINGLE FRIGGING TIME he gets criticized.  So, yeah...you absolutely, in total, have said we shouldn’t.  So bite me.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:52:05 pm
We don’t need to build support for trump...that’s your role...he’s your guy.   All we want is to be left the hell alone and not told over and over and over that WE are enemy, that WE are should NOT  criticize, that whatever kudos we have given are not sufficient.

  Instead of worrying about us, why don’t you go try and woo some independents?  Why?  Because y’all just cannot abide anyone who does not bend their knee to your guy.  It’s repugnant

That is unfair @Axeslinger   You are focusing on the very few people who are totally devoted to Trump.  And I've gotta say, you've made a couple of 'repugnant' posts to me which I've tried to respond to pleasantly.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 06:53:49 pm
Exactly. And look at your reaction to it.
@skeeter
It never occurred to me that you wouldn’t have the stones to back your assertion up. Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 06:54:25 pm
But somehow, oddly enough, y’all do it EVERY SINGLE FRIGGING TIME he gets criticized.  So, yeah...you absolutely, in total, have said we shouldn’t.  So bite me.

@Axeslinger   If that happened, we would have to spend all our time jumping on NTers.

Again, I caution you against painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.

I also caution you against using the term, 'bite me.'  This is not second grade.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: skeeter on September 23, 2018, 06:55:01 pm
@skeeter
It never occurred to me that you wouldn’t have the stones to back your assertion up. Lesson learned.

Pal, it doesn't take stones to post on an internet forum.

Did it ever occur to you that you might have a bit of persecution complex?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 07:03:28 pm
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.

So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush.  Thanks.

Good grief.  Smearing?  Who is smearing??  Facts and the truth.  That's all I'm relaying.

I vowed since the very beginning of Trump's inauguration to support him; however that support has never been blind, nor should it be.  Our POTUS has done a lot of good, but I still cringe at some of the things he says and does.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 07:05:24 pm
Pal, it doesn't take stones to post on an internet forum.

Did it ever occur to you that you might have a bit of persecution complex?

As 'Jimmie' (DiNero) said in Goodfellas.  "...a little bit.  Yes! ...a little bit, a little bit!"   happy77
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 07:05:40 pm
Pal, it doesn't take stones to post on an internet forum.

Did it ever occur to you that you might have a bit of persecution complex?

You’re right, it doesn’t.  But it does take stones to own up to your own words... and you’re still failing to do so.

And nope...I, like others here, have just spent 20 months being told that:

We are the problem
And ironically, we are irrelevant (not sure how we can both of those things, but there it is.)
That we are the enemy
That we are not conservative
That we support the Dems
That we supported Hillary
That we are not allowed to criticize trump.


Perhaps what we should do is this:


Please trump supporters:  provide us a list of what IS acceptable speech.   What are we allowed to do that will meet with your blessing?  What is your code of conduct regarding  trump?  What can we say that won’t get your tail feathers ruffled (or your curiously tan colored shirts wrinkled)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 07:08:19 pm
@Axeslinger   If that happened, we would have to spend all our time jumping on NTers.

Again, I caution you against painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.

I also caution you against using the term, 'bite me.'  This is not second grade.

Dear @Emjay ,  I promise... that was the nice version of what I was thinking.

I’m only painting those  trump supporters who are in the clique that says things like “don’t criticize trump”
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 07:09:11 pm
Good grief.  Smearing?  Who is smearing??  Facts and the truth.  That's all I'm relaying.

I vowed since the very beginning of Trump's inauguration to support him; however that support has never been blind, nor should it be.  Our POTUS has done a lot of good, but I still cringe at some of the things he says and does.

@Right_in_Virginia   Listen, and listen hard.  I have supported you and I have supported Trump since he won the election.  You know that.

You are doing your cause far more harm than good by your reaction to the mention of the name Ted Cruz.  You and another poster have acted like Superman to Kryptonite. 

It is unfair and it is unbecoming and it turns your friends into enemies.

Wise up and do it now.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: skeeter on September 23, 2018, 07:09:48 pm
You’re right, it doesn’t.  But it does take stones to own up to your own words... and you’re still failing to do so.

And nope...I, like others here, have just spent 20 months being told that:

We are the problem
And ironically, we are irrelevant (not sure how we can both of those things, but there it is.)
That we are the enemy
That we are not conservative
That we support the Dems
That we supported Hillary
That we are not allowed to criticize trump.


Perhaps what we should do is this:


Please trump supporters:  provide us a list of what IS acceptable speech.   What are we allowed to do that will meet with your blessing?  What is your code of conduct regarding  trump?  What can we say that won’t get your tail feathers ruffled (or your curiously tan colored shirts wrinkled)
@Axeslinger, my words aren't the kind that need to be 'lived up to'. They result from my observations. Take em or leave em.

And I'll say once again I-don't-care-what-you-believe.

This is a discussion board, if I can have a nice discussion, great. If not, I'll say my piece and move on.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 07:13:25 pm
@Right_in_Virginia   Listen, and listen hard.  I have supported you and I have supported Trump since he won the election.  You know that.

You are doing your cause far more harm than good by your reaction to the mention of the name Ted Cruz.  You and another poster have acted like Superman to Kryptonite. 

It is unfair and it is unbecoming and it turns your friends into enemies.

Wise up and do it now.

@Emjay
And to this I say:

 :beer:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 23, 2018, 07:13:28 pm
You’re right, it doesn’t.  But it does take stones to own up to your own words... and you’re still failing to do so.

And nope...I, like others here, have just spent 20 months being told that:

We are the problem
And ironically, we are irrelevant (not sure how we can both of those things, but there it is.)
That we are the enemy
That we are not conservative
That we support the Dems
That we supported Hillary
That we are not allowed to criticize trump.


Perhaps what we should do is this:


Please trump supporters:  provide us a list of what IS acceptable speech.   What are we allowed to do that will meet with your blessing?  What is your code of conduct regarding  trump?  What can we say that won’t get your tail feathers ruffled (or your curiously tan colored shirts wrinkled)

Dwelling on the past get us absolutely nowhere.  I believe it is necessary to support this President in order to stop the left from taking us to a point of no return.  Taunting one another is futile especially just months before the mid terms.  Just imagine if the GOP loses the mid terms...ask yourselves then what?  What will this country be like?  Julian Castro, Elizabeth Warren, Dianne Finestein, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, Beto O'Rourke, etc., etc., are these the people you want to have the majority??
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 23, 2018, 07:16:56 pm
@Right_in_Virginia   Listen, and listen hard.  I have supported you and I have supported Trump since he won the election.  You know that.

You are doing your cause far more harm than good by your reaction to the mention of the name Ted Cruz.  You and another poster have acted like Superman to Kryptonite. 

It is unfair and it is unbecoming and it turns your friends into enemies.

Wise up and do it now.

What the bleep are you talking about @Emjay?  And while you're at it, maybe you could also tell me who the bleep you think you are.

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 07:18:21 pm
Dwelling on the past get us absolutely nowhere.  I believe it is necessary to support this President in order to stop the left from taking us to a point of no return.  Taunting one another is futile especially just months before the mid terms.  Just imagine if the GOP loses the mid terms...ask yourselves then what?  What will this country be like?  Julian Castro, Elizabeth Warren, Dianne Finestein, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, Beto O'Rourke, etc., etc., are these the people you want to have the majority??
@libertybele
As I said a couple days ago on another thread:

  “Our beef is with the authoritarian wannabes who simply CANNOT accept that we have a different opinion of trump than you do.
Are we actively working to undermine him? NO
Do we think that all of the Mueller stuff is crap and a danger to the Republic?  YES
Are we going to vote for our local R Congress critter this November to at least try to maintain the majority?  YES
Do we think trump has done some things worth a damn?  YES
Have we admitted as much?  YES

And still that’s not good enough for all of you.   I’m sorry, but y’all are doing more to damage trump than any of us because you refuse to accept our God given right to think what we want as Free men.”

Modified to say:  the “you” in those paragraphs are not directed at you libertybele
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 23, 2018, 07:18:23 pm
@Emjay
And to this I say:

 :beer:

Still have a hate-on for me @Axeslinger ?   I'm starting to think somewhere along the line I've broken your heart.   wink777
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 07:22:41 pm
Dwelling on the past get us absolutely nowhere.  I believe it is necessary to support this President in order to stop the left from taking us to a point of no return.  Taunting one another is futile especially just months before the mid terms.  Just imagine if the GOP loses the mid terms...ask yourselves then what?  What will this country be like?  Julian Castro, Elizabeth Warren, Dianne Finestein, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, Beto O'Rourke, etc., etc., are these the people you want to have the majority??

I have tried to make that point over and over @libertybele   I've bought 'em books and I've bought 'em books but they just won't learn.

We see daily how ruthless, evil and out of control the left has become.  Just look at what they're trying to do to Judge Kavanaugh.  They will stop at nothing.  They are our enemy.

All this petulant whining against Trump is just so useless and stupid in the face of what we're up against.

But they love to do it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Axeslinger on September 23, 2018, 07:24:22 pm
Still have a hate-on for me @Axeslinger ?   I'm starting to think somewhere along the line I've broken your heart.   wink777
@Right_in_Virginia

I only have a “hate-on” for people with zero intellectual honesty.  You can decide for yourself if that shoe fits.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: corbe on September 23, 2018, 07:24:50 pm
Still have a hate-on for me @Axeslinger ?   I'm starting to think somewhere along the line I've broken your heart.   wink777


   You broke mine @Right_in_Virginia and as I was running red lights to get home for my well deserved cry, I noticed my balls were gone, too.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 07:25:02 pm
What the bleep are you talking about @Emjay?  And while you're at it, maybe you could also tell me who the bleep you think you are.

I am trying to help you. Who I think I am is a person who has supported you pretty constantly and you know that.

I am trying to tell you that when you go ballistic against your own side because you hate Ted Cruz so much you make enemies out of friends and hurt your cause.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 23, 2018, 07:26:46 pm

   You broke mine @Right_in_Virginia and as I was running red lights to get home for my well deserved cry, I noticed my balls were gone, too.

I gotta say @corbe you can always make me laugh.  And your balls have had such a hard time lately, I am at the point of tears myself just thinking about it.

And I've also had a glimpse of the dark side of the lady you love so much.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: DCPatriot on September 23, 2018, 07:30:00 pm

   You broke mine @Right_in_Virginia and as I was running red lights to get home for my well deserved cry, I noticed my balls were gone, too.

 :beer:    :laugh:

She's a keeper alright!   Love her! 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 23, 2018, 07:30:01 pm
@Axeslinger, my words aren't the kind that need to be 'lived up to'. They result from my observations. Take em or leave em.

And I'll say once again I-don't-care-what-you-believe.

This is a discussion board, if I can have a nice discussion, great. If not, I'll say my piece and move on.

@skeeter  Knows what he is talking about. For gosh sakes, some of us supported Cruz, I know Skeeter did and he may have been even skeptical of Trump at first. All of this is so divisive.

It's really tradition, if one merely leans Republican, you go through the primary, a nominee is made and then, you support that guy. I do respect that some will not like the nominee whomever it may be.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Mod5 on September 23, 2018, 07:30:08 pm
Heavy Sigh.

I see the Mod's request to lighten this up fell on some deaf ears.  Locking for just a couple hours so everybody can go find another hobby horse.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on September 23, 2018, 11:33:01 pm
Yeah, and the Cruz campaign committed all kinds of dirty tricks in state after state, too many to say "oh, but Ted didn't do it".

Lying about what Rubio said about the word of God, the Bible, saying Kasich was taking Soros money, claiming Carson first and then, Rubio later, were dropping out. Hey, that's different.

It's not different and the deal is that this happened a lot, not just some statement one can point at by Trump, some statement or numerous, I don't know where the red line is. So, again, those not agreeing with Cruz here, (surprise)  have no moral authority on this.

@Once-Ler

And again, to the best they can, they have done a lot for the pro-life struggle. Others left that struggle but talk about being "pro-life", yeah, right.  Because the bigger picture is more important.
@TomSea
I sometimes think the GOP doesn't deserve the scorn I heap on it.  Then the Trumpers bad mouth Rubio, Kasich, Carson, and Cruz...for no other reason than to elevate Trump.  The people you trample on were not that great anyway.  You're not any taller.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on September 23, 2018, 11:40:17 pm
*** @roamer_1   You, OTOH, chose your 'weapon' early on.  You found a brother in Invar.

No, @DCPatriot , @INVAR has ALWAYS been my brother. I chose nothing. I am standing upon the very ground I ALWAYS have. The same ground all y'all claim to stand upon.

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Your moral standard, of which I'm sure you live 24/7/365 the best you know how, is unrealistic for most people, let alone a self-made billionaire from Queens, NY.

Not true at all. It is the very same standard of my father's day, and of his father before him. All of my family (and I do mean ALL, few exceptions) are self-made, several are well above 7 figures, and still retain their moral compass... Mayberry RFD was still there, but half a lifetime ago... simply a fact.

It was not me who chose, DC. It was y'all.

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A billionaire who recognizes the wisdom of trickle down economics.  One who recognizes you have to take pics and donate to people who you wouldn't play golf with on a regular basis.

Billy Jeff Clinton is his friend. He's been to Epstein's Island for Pete's sake. Stop the bullshit. After all the GALLONS of turd polish y'all have used, it still won't cover that up.

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But a tip-of-the-cap to you roamer...despite the overwhelming evidence to support his accomplishments/efforts to roll back destructive Obama policies, you too state you'll do it from the sidelines because there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties.

And that's the crux of where you get 'thrown off the island'.  No matter how engaging, no one should take seriously, anyone who STILL won't acknowledge the stark differences between the Republican and Democrat parties.   :laugh:


That's because there is no difference. If you want to have that throw-down, start a thread and I will kick your butt with it. Every EO and Administrative order is nothing but paper mache... An illusion. It ALL goes away with the next administration. So with that in mind, what is it that this AMAZING administration has done that we actually get to keep? PLEASE DO REPLY, because that list is not very long at all.

When you can admit that you will see.... Left foot, right foot, slouching ever toward Gomorrah.

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I never disliked Ted Cruz.  Had he won, I'd have supported him just like I did McCain and Romney.

But I knew nobody stood a chance against Donald Trump.  From any party.

This messianic bullshit just has to stop.

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And just as I suspected as evidenced by this thread...there is still a lot of tension between the primary factions... three years on.

Not from me. I care not at all. What's past is past. That's why my participation on this thread is pretty well limited to you. But what hasn't passed and what will not pass is the churlish and vindictive nature of your petty king - as it was shown on full display, in the primaries. That I DO care about, because that is ever on-going. You've made your bed with him... Go lie in it.


Either one stands upon the truth or one does not. There is no middle ground.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 24, 2018, 12:00:38 am
I don't give a rat's ass whether people criticize Trump or not.  And that is a good thing because I know they will.

I just don't see the upside in spending all your time doing that, but if it makes you happy, go for it.

@Emjay

Why not?  Trump supporters deny it when we give him credit, so I figure, go for broke.

But I still don't have an answer to my question.  You admit our criticism here doesn't have a real-world effect, and you say it doesn't bother you, so what does "giving up petty grievances and focusing on the enemy" mean?  What does it entail and how do we do that?




Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: libertybele on September 24, 2018, 12:03:56 am
No, @DCPatriot , @INVAR

Either one stands upon the truth or one does not. There is no middle ground.


 :amen:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: TomSea on September 24, 2018, 12:09:53 am
Santorum doesn't come from a big red state, wasn't as polished but he basically said all of this back in 2012.

Also, Cruz had Glen Beck, decided advantage over some candidates, it's all in a race. It's not like he was totally helpless out there. One can say National Enquirer wasn't good for Cruz but no way will I concede that they decided all of those races, Mississippi, South Carolina and so on. He should have gotten one as he won I believe Montana and Wisconsin and other states.  So, those people are just smarter or less gullible? Just one state.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 24, 2018, 01:14:56 am
@Emjay

Why not?  Trump supporters deny it when we give him credit, so I figure, go for broke.

But I still don't have an answer to my question.  You admit our criticism here doesn't have a real-world effect, and you say it doesn't bother you, so what does "giving up petty grievances and focusing on the enemy" mean?  What does it entail and how do we do that?

@CatherineofAragon    You don't do that at all because it is your greatest joy to dwell on your grievances.

I'm trying to explain the way sensible people in our situation would act.

I'm not really talking to NTers.  I'm just venting as you all do. Why does it bother you so much?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Silver Pines on September 24, 2018, 01:19:06 am
@CatherineofAragon    You don't do that at all because it is your greatest joy to dwell on your grievances.

I'm trying to explain the way sensible people in our situation would act.

I'm not really talking to NTers.  I'm just venting as you all do. Why does it bother you so much?

@Emjay

Again with no answer to my question, but forget it.  Like I figured,you know the criticism doesn't effect Trump at all.  You just don't like hearing it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
Post by: Emjay on September 24, 2018, 01:39:43 am
@Emjay

Again with no answer to my question, but forget it.  Like I figured,you know the criticism doesn't effect Trump at all.  You just don't like hearing it.

I don't know what you want me to say.  @CatherineofAragon   I don't like the repetitive downer posts of the NTers but I know they don't have any effect in the real world.  They don't have any effect on Trump and yes, I get really bored reading them.  Do you happen to have a Bible?