I agree. This was a masterful answer. No where does he say he likes Trump or was glad that Trump was the candidate (or the opposite for that matter), but he chose to put aside hurt feelings in order to do the job he was elected to do.
I agree. This was a masterful answer. No where does he say he likes Trump or was glad that Trump was the candidate (or the opposite for that matter), but he chose to put aside hurt feelings in order to do the job he was elected to do.
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.
Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:
@INVAR
@roamer_1
@Once-Ler
Maybe the Trump "fan boys" and the "never Trumpers" should learn something from this. Our greater enemy is the socialist left Rat Party. Guys like Flake, Corker and McCain (if he's not still dead) only help the Rats with their personal animus.
Unlike the other losers to Trump, Ted Cruz has been man enough to put the country before hurt feelings.
Actually, Cruz put himself first. Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet. Or did I miss it?
Totally agree. Anyone who wants to whine about petty grievances needs to look long and hard at the big picture. The enemy is Out There.
Actually, Cruz put himself first. Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet. Or did I miss it?
I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months? I am not your enemy.
You missed it. Trump plans to campaign for him.
The holdup is Ted refuses to sign a NDA.
Actually, Cruz put himself first. Facing re-election in a couple of years, he figured he had better board that Trump train or he would lose.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen Trump give him any support yet. Or did I miss it?
:bsflag:
@Applewood is a little behind the times. Cruz is facing re-election now, not in a couple of years. And Trump has stated that he will campaign for him in October. I haven't heard anything to the contrary.
I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.
No. The greater enemy is the one within the gate.
...and what good what it do the country if he as one of the most conservative senators would have fought him? The two have very similar agendas and Cruz didn't just change his agenda or principles on key issues just to appease the Trumpsters.
I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months? I am not your enemy.
It's not lost on me @Emjay that you loved me much moore when you didn't take me so seriously. 8888crybaby
Trump made a lot of campaign promises that sounded like they would be the same as what Cruz wanted. But I haven't seen progress in fulfilling those promises.
I guess that would be you.
I'm more than willing to support Pubs who will work with Trump to try and push forward a conservative America First agenda. I will compromise where I have to instead of wasting everyone's time demanding 100% purity. The alternative is frightening. If you haven't been looking we are seeing an intolerant left becoming a violent, socialist left that does not believe in individual liberties, especially freedom of speech.
Cruz explains better than any one of us who once supported him why we now support the president
Cruz explains better than any one of us who once supported him why we now support the president
Don't expectanya lot of his alleged supporters to agree with this along with the seemingly dozens of other issues out there. In fact, I think it's more likely for them to treat someone, well, let's be respectful, not too well.
(http://i.imgur.com/QE9QEUM.jpg)
Well, I posted a long essay two days ago outlining all of Trump's actual accomplishments. It was pretty impressive. Guess you didn't read it.
I guess that would be you.
I'm more than willing to support Pubs who will work with Trump to try and push forward a conservative America First agenda. I will compromise where I have to instead of wasting everyone's time demanding 100% purity. The alternative is frightening. If you haven't been looking we are seeing an intolerant left becoming a violent, socialist left that does not believe in individual liberties, especially freedom of speech.
Cruz responded with force, answering that there is more to politics than personal rivalries and hurt feelings. He noted that he very well could have become an anti-Trump Senator, but that his job was more important than any insults and rivalries, choosing instead to work with Trump to pass monumental legislation that created great economic opportunities:
@INVAR
@roamer_1
@Once-Ler
The holdup is Ted refuses to sign a NDA.I got the joke right away.
Cruz is a bigger man than me, because I have not forgiven Trump for those.
Those things are not the point... Long gone.
THAT he did those things is the point. That he acts so unconscionably is not a matter of forgiveness as it is a matter of extreme caution.
Yeah, and the Cruz campaign committed all kinds of dirty tricks in state after state, too many to say "oh, but Ted didn't do it".
Lying about what Rubio said about the word of God, the Bible, saying Kasich was taking Soros money, claiming Carson first and then, Rubio later, were dropping out. Hey, that's different.
It's not different and the deal is that this happened a lot, not just some statement one can point at by Trump, some statement or numerous, I don't know where the red line is. So, again, those not agreeing with Cruz here, (surprise) have no moral authority on this.
Sean Gallitz and Katiana Krawchenko CBS News February 22, 2016, 3:39 PM
Cruz asks spokesman to resign after video showed Rubio mocking Bible
Last Updated Feb 22, 2016 5:08 PM EST
Sen. Ted Cruz on Monday announced that he had asked his spokesman Rick Tyler to resign that morning after his campaign pushed a video that made it appear like Sen. Marco Rubio was mocking a Cruz staffer's bible.
"This morning, I asked for Rick Tyler's resignation," Cruz told reporters. "I have made clear in this campaign we will conduct this campaign with the very highest standards and integrity."
Rubio lashed out against the Cruz campaign Monday morning for the video that shows him walking past a Cruz staffer reading the Bible and according to the on-screen text, telling that staffer there are "not many answers" in the Scripture he was reading.
Read more at: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-calls-for-accountability-from-cruz-campaign/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-calls-for-accountability-from-cruz-campaign/)
@Once-LerI read your post. I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries. IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.
I supported Cruz in the Primary, but I am glad that Trump is in the White House.
We need Trump in the White House, and Cruz in the Senate.
I watched the debate. I even posted the youtube video in the live thread. Senator Cruz is correct that his job is more important than the things President Trump called Senator Cruz's wife and father. Cruz is a bigger man than me, because I have not forgiven Trump for those.
Senator Cruz believes there is something left in the GOP worth fighting for. "Stand for the national anthem," "don't burn the flag," and "honor the police even when they kill their neighbors by mistake," were all big applause lines in TX. Senator Cruz did not do as well on the issues of reckless spending, tariffs, repealing Obamacare, and ending Planned Parenthood subsidies.
By every measure I saw Senator Cruz beat Beto. Passionate delivery, speaking to the level of the audience, cadence and dramatic pauses, body language, and superior message all fall in Cruz's favor...but a republican beating a rat on messaging is no longer enough for me...It's like being the prettiest waitress at Denny's. I still ain't taking her home.
Was it anything like that lengthy list of "accomplishments" Legal American posted that was more like wishful thinking than accomplishments? If so, glad I didn't.
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/1.html (https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/1.html)
I see a different 'Big Picture' @Emjay and "The enemy is out there" begs the question 'Why have you Trumpers busted my balls for the last 20 months? I am not your enemy.
Maybe the Trump "fan boys"
I meant Cruz was facing re-election in a couple of years from the presidential election in 2016.There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
If I took you seriously, corbe, I'd have to kill myself. You still haven't explained the NDA thingee.
I read your post. I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries. IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.
@Applewood here's the link:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/19/marc-thiessen-chaos-or-not-trump-is-racking-up-record-foreign-policy-success.html)
please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.
Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human
evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today),
That’s how I recall the whole sordid mess. Trump was true to his word; attack him or his, expect heavy fire in return.
A candidate’s family used to be off limits from political attacks, then culture coarsened. With politics downstream from culture and the stakes so high, it was only a matter of time before one campaign stepped up to the line, another straddle the line and another still takes it to the nth degree.
Add the Internet, the most significant technological advancement impacting society and human evolution since the invention of toilet paper and newsprint (both interchangeable commodities today), and we have a fait accompli. And now society’s gotta deal.
I guess every election a politician has to kiss some babies and a little arse... Good thing is with Trump you can kill two birds with one stone.
please recall that Cruz started it when the Cruz campaign put out an ad saying Meleana was morally
unfit to me First Lady. That is about as low as you can go.
There is more then a little truth to what you say. After Cruz's speech at the GOP convention
the Texas delegation met with Cruz and told him "get on board or you are done." A little later Cruz
endorsed Trump.
It’s a fact that Melania has some questionable pics. Why would pointing out facts be a reason to accuse Cruz’s dad of killing JFK? Pecker lovers are so bizarre.
Not true, @jpsb.
I read your post. I understand your points about Cruz's tactics during the primaries. IMO opinion they were wrong, much less egregious than insulting Cruz's wife and father.
I also understand your assessment of the issue of abortion and President Trump. It's a more evolved and mature position than "President Trump is the most pro-life President in History." Certainly more defensible. I feel frustrated that the GOP controls both chambers of Congress and the Whitehouse for 2 years, passes multiple overfunded budgets, and never once tried to fight PP. We can both be right. You can believe they may have done "the best they can," and I believe it's not enough.
Good post, good points, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my position.
...hmm... let's see...Trump threatened to 'spill the beans' on Cruz's wife, he ran a derogatory comparison pic of Heidi and Melania, and he threatened Cruz that he would never win re-election in TX. He also accused Cruz's father of murdering JFK. It was a very nasty campaign with Trump flinging the first blow and I applaud Cruz for his stance. He never said anything at the convention against Trump, he merely told people to vote their conscious. People had a binary choice; Trump or Clinton. Trumpsters went ape ship because Cruz didn't come out and endorse Trump.
Bull Shit, you Cruzers are starting to piss me off AGAIN.
BAIER: Senator Cruz, yes or no, you will support Donald Trump is he's the nominee?
CRUZ: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.
And then he DID NOT endorse Trump at the GOP convention! That is what pissed off the Texas
delegation. He lied and broke his promise.
Support and endorse are two different things.
As far as pissi** in your cornflakes this morning because you still can't admit that Trump threw the first punches is not my problem ...
Thank you @Emjay
The article confines itself to foreign policy matters and not the domestic issues Trump primarily campaigned on. Some of the successes and accomplishments are a bit dubious. For example, I don't see North Korea discontinuing its nuclear program, despite Trump's assurances that NK no longer poses a threat. About the only accomplishment from that meeting has been the identification of two sets of remains of POWS/MIAs sent over by NK following the summit. Significant, and I realize it will take time to identify the rest of the remains, but I'm withholding my enthusiastic applause for now.
On the home front, he has yet to be successful. Oh, I've heard all the excuses -- that these things take time, that he has a reluctant congress to work with and so on. But I should think that in two years, he would have been further along in fulfilling his promises by now. Tax reform was really a tax tweak and while there have been benefits to business and maybe some individuals, most of the rest of us got nothing out of it. And I'm afraid that Trump's trade war with other countries will wipe out what few benefits were achieved by the tax tweak.
Although the requirement (mandate) has been removed, Obamacare with all of its ugliness still remains and it looks like both parties want to make it worse by implementing government run health care. And we still have hordes of illegals and alleged "refugees" flooding into this country.
Trump was sold as the great negotiator and deal maker. Although it's up to congress to pass legislation to fulfill all those campaign promises, Trump as president should be ab ble to wield the influence inherent to that position to move his supposed agenda forward. But I've seen little evidence of the great Art of the Deal negotiator. Whining, complaining and bullying will not help achieve those goals.
I'm sorry, but articles like this one praising Trump's supposed achievements are still nothing more than propaganda. Fact is, on most matters Trump has been a disappointing failure.
I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.
GIVE IT UP. I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady. It is totally not within his character to do something like that.
What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?
I have already documented in post 67 that it was the Cruz campaign that started it with the ad
calling Melania Trump "morally unfit to be First Lady". IT"S DOCUMENTED, now if you have
documented evidence to the contrary please provide it.
GIVE IT UP. I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady. It is totally not within his character to do something like that.
What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?
I didn't start this but I damn well will see to it that the truth is told. I am also offended that you think it is OK to call Trump supporters "Trump fan boys".
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/melania-628x356.png)
Who said it is okay to call Trump supporters demeaning things? @jpsb I certainly didn't and I despise the practice.
But you are tilting at windmills here and wasting all of our time on some futile grudge that should have been put to rest years ago.
GIVE IT UP. I do not believe Cruz attacked the First Lady. It is totally not within his character to do something like that.
What is the point in demeaning Cruz, who has been the one primary candidate who has put the grudges aside and worked with the President?
I got the joke right away.
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.
@Emjay go have a look at post 9. Like I said I did not start this, some Cruzer started by siteing
Trump's attacks on Hedi but forgetting the Cruz campaign first attacked Melania with the ad of her
semi nude that I posted. If you want Trump supporters to vote for Cruz than stop claiming all
the dirt was on Trump side. IT WAS NOT.
Rubio Campaign: ‘No Lie Is Too Big And No Trick Too Dirty’ For Ted Cruz
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) is weighing in after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) asked for the resignation of his Communications Director, saying that “no lie is too big and no trick too dirty†for Cruz.
“Rick is a really good spokesman who had the unenviable task of working for a candidate willing to do or say anything to get elected,†the Rubio campaign told Patrick Svitek of Texas Monthly.
“There is a culture in the Cruz campaign, from top to bottom, that no lie is too big and no trick too dirty. Rick did the right thing by apologizing to Marco. It’s high time for Ted Cruz to do the right thing and stop the lies.â€
Read more at: https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/rubio-campaign-no-lie-is-too-big-and-no-trick-too-dirty-for-ted-cruz/ (https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/rubio-campaign-no-lie-is-too-big-and-no-trick-too-dirty-for-ted-cruz/)
Melania was a professional model in Europe, not a porn star. Does being a model and doing semi-
nudes make one morally unfit to be First Lady in 21 first century? I don't think so but the point is
that Cruz fired the first shot. As for the JFK thing Trump did not start that either and he was just
answering a question from a reporter.
Ted Cruz Finally Shuts The Door On The Bad Blood Controversy Between He And Trump
I'd love to meet the fool who wrote this headline. I have a bridge to sell him in Brooklyn.
You've been told many, many, many, many times before, but for the record:
THE CRUZ CAMPAIGN DID NOT RELEASE THAT AD.
Unaffiliated PAC's can do whatever they want, and that is what happened.
IT WAS NOT CRUZ. Get OVER it.
CNN
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump escalated his feud with Ted Cruz on Twitter Tuesday — but this time he also involved the Texas senator's wife, who hit back on Wednesday at an impromptu press conference.
The real estate mogul tweeted that the Texas senator should "be careful" or he would "spill the beans on your wife" Heidi Cruz.
"Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!," he tweeted Tuesday evening, just minutes before polls closed in Arizona. Trump tweeted and deleted a similar version of the Tweet about 10 minutes earlier.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ted-cruz-melania-trump-twitter-donald-trump-heidi/index.html)
Cruz started it
Cruz is up for reelection, it is not wise to piss off Trump supporters by reliving the 2016 primaries.
Exactly.
@jpsb
Isn’t CNN fake news?
I didn't start this but I damn well will see to it that the truth is told. I am also offended that you think it is OK to call Trump supporters "Trump fan boys".
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/melania-628x356.png)
Apparently not when they use the words, "LYIN' TED." *****rollingeyes*****
@CatherineofAragon
It Trumpsters would rather continue to hold a grudge to the point that they'd rather let TX turn blue than vote for a true conservative, that's certainly their choice. It definitely shows their true colors; you might as well put them in a corner and let them suck their thumbs or hold their breath till they turn blue and they will be the first ones to gripe when a DEM wins TX and the rest of this country follows.
I keep trying to like Trump and then these guys keep bringing up the fake stories about Cruz and the real stories about Trump and I remember all over again why I didn't like him.
However the delusions of a few are not enough to keep me from supporting Trump's better efforts.
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.
So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush. Thanks.
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.
So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush. Thanks.
The very first question of the first GOP debate all 17 candidates on stage was asked by Bret Baire if they would eventually support the nominee, regardless of who he/she was, all answered in the affirmative except for one, wanna guess?
ummm.... Jeb! :silly:
Yes, it was and thank you, RIV. It is unfortunate that these few members continue to spread these lies and remind us of the unpleasantness of the campaign.Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?
@bilo Yes. Why won't these NTers give up their petty grievances and focus on the real and frightening enemy. As you say, it's become a violent, socialist left that glorifies every perversion available to man, woman, or IT.
And stops at nothing to gain their ends. Just look at this ridiculous delay on the Kavanaugh vote engineered by DiFi and a willing accomplice.
Ant-trumpers are not part of the great pluses that the Trump movement has made regarding the right to life issue. As the Fonz use to say, "Go Sit On It" to these cynics.
Yes, it was and thank you, RIV. It is unfortunate that these few members continue to spread these lies and remind us of the unpleasantness of the campaign. We particularly need to be forward focused and continue to fight the right fight.
Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?
Are you referencing @TomSea and @jpsb ?
No, I was talking about you.
Some are more self-aware than others.
For the record I am equally pissed at Cruz for voting for that bloated budget last week and Trump for signing it.
:laugh:You're on a roll... 888high58888
You're on a roll... 888high58888
You are the one who chose to put the racy picture of Melania up here. I really like Melania and I really resent anyone resurrecting that picture.
Bullshit @DCPatriot
Do you really think this is about 'personal rivalries and hurt feelings'?
Is there any reason to call me here other than to waste my time?
@Emjay
I did not want to post that ad, but you forced me to when you said Ted would never do that. His
campaign manager secured the copy rights to that pic and then Ted campaign surrogates used it.
The fact is that ad started a very nasty part of the primaries. Hit Trump and you can expect to be
hit back. FYI I am not attacking Cruz as much as I am defending Trump. If the Cruzers would just
stop blaming Trump for all the bad blood I would not be forced to defend Trump.
The important thing in the big picture is to win the Presidency, I didn't think Trump would though gave him my support.
Cruz did not win anywhere in the nation's largest area of Conservatism, the Deep South, no Georgia like Newt got, no Mississippi, no South Carolina, not even Louisiana. That did not bode well for a general election, sure, he would still probably nab that area in the general. I'm not counting his homestate in this nor neighboring Oklahoma.
All indications are, we may be working with a Romney 2012 situation, btw, Ted endorsed Mitt. Another point I note, some Cruz-ers are not in accordance with.
Yes, @Sanguine is good. I often ping her to come check on my own sanity.
@Emjay
What does this mean, though—giving up grievances and focusing on the enemy? Does it mean we should stop criticizing Trump? Make only positive comments about him? Because that’s sort of the way TOS operates.
Also, how do the posts of some people on an internet forum affect Trump, or his agenda, or the left in any way?
I’ve asked this question many times of Trump fans here, and I’ve yet to get a reply. Maybe today will be the first time.
@Emjay
I did not want to post that ad, but you forced me to when you said Ted would never do that. His
campaign manager secured the copy rights to that pic and then Ted campaign surrogates used it.
The fact is that ad started a very nasty part of the primaries. Hit Trump and you can expect to be
hit back. FYI I am not attacking Cruz as much as I am defending Trump. If the Cruzers would just
stop blaming Trump for all the bad blood I would not be forced to defend Trump.
After a super PAC unrelated to Cruz published an ad using a suggestive photo of Trump’s wife, Melania, from GQ, Trump laid the blame on Cruz anyway.
“Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad,†Trump tweeted Tuesday. “Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!â€
While it remains unclear what “beans†Trump was referring to, he posted an image on his Twitter account Wednesday another user had tweeted insulting the appearance of Cruz’s wife, Heidi Cruz:
Cruz responded shortly afterward. He did not insult Trump’s wife in return:
Later, on Thursday, Cruz called Trump "a sniveling coward" and told him to "leave Heidi the hell alone."
That morning, Cruz’s campaign denounced the ad depicting Trump’s wife and stressed it had no affiliation with the super PAC Make America Awesome that created it....
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/24/donald-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/24/donald-trump-posted-photo-ted-heidi-cruz/82210692/)
The important thing in the big picture is to win the Presidency, I didn't think Trump would though gave him my support.
Cruz did not win anywhere in the nation's largest area of Conservatism, the Deep South, no Georgia like Newt got, no Mississippi, no South Carolina, not even Louisiana. That did not bode well for a general election, sure, he would still probably nab that area in the general. I'm not counting his homestate in this nor neighboring Oklahoma.
All indications are, we may be working with a Romney 2012 situation, btw, Ted endorsed Mitt. Another point I note, some Cruz-ers are not in accordance with.
@Sanguine
Headed into tough re-election, Cruz sides with GOP leaders on big spending bill
By Andrea Drusch
September 18, 2018 03:44 PM
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on Tuesday broke with Senate conservatives to support a government funding bill that provides a boost in defense spending — along with money for public broadcasting, Head Start programs and the operation of Obamacare.
The move is out of character for Cruz, who five years ago orchestrated a government shutdown in the name of defunding Obamacare.
Just two months ago Cruz boasted that he’d voted against Congress’s then-most recent major spending bill, which he said included the “single biggest rebuilding of our military since Ronald Reagan,†at the expense of “a massive increase in non-defense spending.â€
Now Cruz is in the midst of a tougher-than-expected re-election race, where GOP leaders, including a super PAC aligned with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky plan to help him.
Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy
(https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article218608365.html#storylink=cpy)
* When @INVAR told us ow much he hated...er, excuse me, "disliked" Donald Trump, from Day 1 ..."hate" was verboten at the time in order to keep NT heads from exploding...I told him in no uncertain terms to take his withheld vote and stick it up his ass.
** From that day forward he keeps reminding us that he was told he wasn't needed, so we can all GTH...while he sits on the sidelines salivating each time the media poses forward another negative item about the President. Hoping for his "I tried to tell you all! Look how smart and superior I am".
*** @roamer_1 You, OTOH, chose your 'weapon' early on. You found a brother in Invar.
Your moral standard, of which I'm sure you live 24/7/365 the best you know how, is unrealistic for most people, let alone a self-made billionaire from Queens, NY.
A billionaire who recognizes the wisdom of trickle down economics. One who recognizes you have to take pics and donate to people who you wouldn't play golf with on a regular basis.
But a tip-of-the-cap to you roamer...despite the overwhelming evidence to support his accomplishments/efforts to roll back destructive Obama policies, you too state you'll do it from the sidelines because there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties.
And that's the crux of where you get 'thrown off the island'. No matter how engaging, no one should take seriously, anyone who STILL won't acknowledge the stark differences between the Republican and Democrat parties. :laugh:
I never disliked Ted Cruz. Had he won, I'd have supported him just like I did McCain and Romney.
But I knew nobody stood a chance against Donald Trump. From any party.
And just as I suspected as evidenced by this thread...there is still a lot of tension between the primary factions... three years on.
For the record I am equally pissed at Cruz for voting for that bloated budget last week and Trump for signing it.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrumpREPUBLICANS MUST FINALLY GET TOUGH! President Trump is right dammit. When is someone gonna
I want to know, where is the money for Border Security and the WALL in this ridiculous Spending Bill, and where will it come from after the Midterms? Dems are obstructing Law Enforcement and Border Security. REPUBLICANS MUST FINALLY GET TOUGH!
4:43 AM - 20 Sep 2018
With all due respect @TomSea and I mean that sincerely, at the same time Pecker was arranging payments for the Trump whores silence, he released this a week before Super Tuesday.
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/Cruz-498090.jpg)
Perhaps the Evangelicals believed this crap.
Do you go along with Cruz endorsing Romney? Are those your views?@TomSea
Do you go along with Cruz's support of Trump?
Call me, when you actually follow what Ted Cruz says.
Yeah, that's a good one, those hillbillies in Tennessee being swayed by the National Enquirer. :silly:
Miss the attacks on Rubio and the Bible? Why not assign these events as important. Or saying Carson was dropping out of Iowa.
@corbe
Hey at least they don’t accuse strangers of supporting child abuse, right?
Gentleman, Please, it's Sunday afterall.
I apologize...just responded to somebody who I pinged who suggested I was wasting his time.
REDSKINS just scored 2nd touchdown to go ahead 14-0 against the PACKERS with 2:14 in the 1st quarter.
3 pass interference penalties called on the GB defense in the 2nd drive
@TomSea
Hey at least they don’t accuse strangers of supporting child abuse, right?
Well @Applewood I do thank you for reading the article. I was more impressed than you were and I have been more impressed with Trump's presidency than you are, but that's life.
I do not consider Trump a disappointing failure at all. Maybe it's because I expected very little from him and he has been so much better than I expected. Even though you may not credit Trump with it, the economy is definitely on the upswing.
I apologize...just responded to somebody who I pinged who suggested I was wasting his time.
REDSKINS just scored 2nd touchdown to go ahead 14-0 against the PACKERS with 2:14 in the 1st quarter.
3 pass interference penalties called on the GB defense in the 2nd drive
Since it is Sunday, I wholeheartedly approve of Football analogies. 888high58888
I had a couple of other comments, but taking Mod8's plea to heart, I self-edit.
I was disappointed that Trump won the primaries, but I did hope that perhaps he would prove me wrong about him. Believe me, if he had, not only would I eat crow, I would have rejoiced. After 8 years of Obama, I was looking forward to sanity, class and conservativism.
I see none of the above in this presidency.
As for the economy -- well, I don't trust the numbers and haven't for years. Seems BLS and other agencies employ creative math for every presidency. During Obama's 8 years, the numbers fudging was on steroids. How do any of us know the stats during this administration are anything close to reality?
But even if they are right, I am concerned that any improvement in the economy will come to a crashing halt, thanks to the trade wars. So far, it looks like the supposed benefits of tariffs are being negated by failing businesses and rising prices. People are suffering and the suffering will get worse.
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years... happy77
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years... happy77
The Cowboys play Seattle today in a couple of hours Hawaii time. Seattle has to be desperate. They are 0 and 2 and the Cowboys seem to come around a little last week. I'm hoping they re-sign Dez. He's a bit of a nut but he can be a great wide receiver when he's on his game.
Someone actually watches the NFL??? It has to be said if the thread has these comments made.
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years... happy77
Someone actually watches the NFL??? It has to be said if the thread has these comments made.
Speaking of football..... the Cleveland Browns won their first game Thursday night in about like 12 years... happy77I found out about that Tuesday from Q post #206578
I would dismantle the ownership of the NFL if I could, but no actions by players with a ten cent brain and a hundred dollar body are gonna stop me from watching football.
@CatherineofAragon Of course not and I have never said that. I was disgusted because the thread had disintegrated into vicious and unrealistic attacks on Ted Cruz, who is a good man and one of my favorites.
As for the posts on this forum, they have no effect on the real world but do provide a glimpse of how various Republicans (or people who swear they will never vote Republican) feel.
But the bottom line is that unless people who hate Trump see a valid alternative there is not a hell of a lot of upside in constantly criticizing him.
@Emjay
First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do. Not good enough, they say. Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized? That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.
Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized
And, The University stomped TCU yesterday. First time in 5? years.
(I'm not watching pro-ball, but there's lots of college ball to watch)
I found out about that Tuesday from Q post #206578
I constantly read that from some of his most vocal critics. But while I see plenty of criticism, I rarely if ever see the 'credit where credit is due' posts from these folks.
Frankly I couldn't care less whether they ever come around. I just don't see the sense in the incessant yapping.
Hell...look at your own post
Tiger needs a win today and it's looking good, watching PGA in the background also @DCPatriot
@Emjay
First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do. Not good enough, they say. Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized? That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.
Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized
@Emjay
First of all, there are many of us who have given him credit and still do. Not good enough, they say. Now you’re advocating that he not be criticized? That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve read here.
Finally, as some of us have said...the problem is not trump...the problem is his rabid dog supporters who demand full and complete fealty...you, know by do things ripped right from the KGB manual...like demanding that he not be criticized
Please show me a Trump supporter here that demands that Trump not be criticized.
My first post on this thread pointed out how all the NTers here had no problem (where high fiveing
one another) with referring to Trump supporters as "Trump fan boys". Insulting folks is not a very
effective tool if your goal is to build support.
@Axeslinger
@Emjay
Exactly. If you say you want people to give him credit, and you do, and they deny it, then you're done.
The point remains that he can be criticized whether others see an upside or not.
@Axeslinger That is the stupidest thing you've ever read here? Wow ... you must have missed a lot of posts.
That is not what I said. I said it is futile and not constructive to spend all your time criticizing Trump and I stand by that.
I did not say you shouldn't or couldn't criticize him.
Man up, baby.
We don’t need to build support for trump...that’s your role...he’s your guy. All we want is to be left the hell alone and not told over and over and over that WE are enemy, that WE are should NOT criticize, that whatever kudos we have given are not sufficient.
Instead of worrying about us, why don’t you go try and woo some independents? Why? Because y’all just cannot abide anyone who does not bend their knee to your guy. It’s repugnant
Exactly. And look at your reaction to it.@skeeter
But somehow, oddly enough, y’all do it EVERY SINGLE FRIGGING TIME he gets criticized. So, yeah...you absolutely, in total, have said we shouldn’t. So bite me.
@skeeter
It never occurred to me that you wouldn’t have the stones to back your assertion up. Lesson learned.
BTW it was a "Trumpster" who cared enough about the race in Texas to start the live thread for the Cruz/Beto debate on Friday and post a video of the debate for those who missed it.
So please, @libertybele you and others need to stop smearing with such a broad brush. Thanks.
Pal, it doesn't take stones to post on an internet forum.
Did it ever occur to you that you might have a bit of persecution complex?
Pal, it doesn't take stones to post on an internet forum.
Did it ever occur to you that you might have a bit of persecution complex?
@Axeslinger If that happened, we would have to spend all our time jumping on NTers.
Again, I caution you against painting all Trump supporters with the same brush.
I also caution you against using the term, 'bite me.' This is not second grade.
Good grief. Smearing? Who is smearing?? Facts and the truth. That's all I'm relaying.
I vowed since the very beginning of Trump's inauguration to support him; however that support has never been blind, nor should it be. Our POTUS has done a lot of good, but I still cringe at some of the things he says and does.
You’re right, it doesn’t. But it does take stones to own up to your own words... and you’re still failing to do so.@Axeslinger, my words aren't the kind that need to be 'lived up to'. They result from my observations. Take em or leave em.
And nope...I, like others here, have just spent 20 months being told that:
We are the problem
And ironically, we are irrelevant (not sure how we can both of those things, but there it is.)
That we are the enemy
That we are not conservative
That we support the Dems
That we supported Hillary
That we are not allowed to criticize trump.
Perhaps what we should do is this:
Please trump supporters: provide us a list of what IS acceptable speech. What are we allowed to do that will meet with your blessing? What is your code of conduct regarding trump? What can we say that won’t get your tail feathers ruffled (or your curiously tan colored shirts wrinkled)
@Right_in_Virginia Listen, and listen hard. I have supported you and I have supported Trump since he won the election. You know that.
You are doing your cause far more harm than good by your reaction to the mention of the name Ted Cruz. You and another poster have acted like Superman to Kryptonite.
It is unfair and it is unbecoming and it turns your friends into enemies.
Wise up and do it now.
You’re right, it doesn’t. But it does take stones to own up to your own words... and you’re still failing to do so.
And nope...I, like others here, have just spent 20 months being told that:
We are the problem
And ironically, we are irrelevant (not sure how we can both of those things, but there it is.)
That we are the enemy
That we are not conservative
That we support the Dems
That we supported Hillary
That we are not allowed to criticize trump.
Perhaps what we should do is this:
Please trump supporters: provide us a list of what IS acceptable speech. What are we allowed to do that will meet with your blessing? What is your code of conduct regarding trump? What can we say that won’t get your tail feathers ruffled (or your curiously tan colored shirts wrinkled)
@Right_in_Virginia Listen, and listen hard. I have supported you and I have supported Trump since he won the election. You know that.
You are doing your cause far more harm than good by your reaction to the mention of the name Ted Cruz. You and another poster have acted like Superman to Kryptonite.
It is unfair and it is unbecoming and it turns your friends into enemies.
Wise up and do it now.
Dwelling on the past get us absolutely nowhere. I believe it is necessary to support this President in order to stop the left from taking us to a point of no return. Taunting one another is futile especially just months before the mid terms. Just imagine if the GOP loses the mid terms...ask yourselves then what? What will this country be like? Julian Castro, Elizabeth Warren, Dianne Finestein, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, Beto O'Rourke, etc., etc., are these the people you want to have the majority??@libertybele
@Emjay
And to this I say:
:beer:
Dwelling on the past get us absolutely nowhere. I believe it is necessary to support this President in order to stop the left from taking us to a point of no return. Taunting one another is futile especially just months before the mid terms. Just imagine if the GOP loses the mid terms...ask yourselves then what? What will this country be like? Julian Castro, Elizabeth Warren, Dianne Finestein, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, Beto O'Rourke, etc., etc., are these the people you want to have the majority??
Still have a hate-on for me @Axeslinger ? I'm starting to think somewhere along the line I've broken your heart. wink777@Right_in_Virginia
Still have a hate-on for me @Axeslinger ? I'm starting to think somewhere along the line I've broken your heart. wink777
What the bleep are you talking about @Emjay? And while you're at it, maybe you could also tell me who the bleep you think you are.
You broke mine @Right_in_Virginia and as I was running red lights to get home for my well deserved cry, I noticed my balls were gone, too.
You broke mine @Right_in_Virginia and as I was running red lights to get home for my well deserved cry, I noticed my balls were gone, too.
@Axeslinger, my words aren't the kind that need to be 'lived up to'. They result from my observations. Take em or leave em.
And I'll say once again I-don't-care-what-you-believe.
This is a discussion board, if I can have a nice discussion, great. If not, I'll say my piece and move on.
Yeah, and the Cruz campaign committed all kinds of dirty tricks in state after state, too many to say "oh, but Ted didn't do it".@TomSea
Lying about what Rubio said about the word of God, the Bible, saying Kasich was taking Soros money, claiming Carson first and then, Rubio later, were dropping out. Hey, that's different.
It's not different and the deal is that this happened a lot, not just some statement one can point at by Trump, some statement or numerous, I don't know where the red line is. So, again, those not agreeing with Cruz here, (surprise) have no moral authority on this.
@Once-Ler
And again, to the best they can, they have done a lot for the pro-life struggle. Others left that struggle but talk about being "pro-life", yeah, right. Because the bigger picture is more important.
*** @roamer_1 You, OTOH, chose your 'weapon' early on. You found a brother in Invar.
Your moral standard, of which I'm sure you live 24/7/365 the best you know how, is unrealistic for most people, let alone a self-made billionaire from Queens, NY.
A billionaire who recognizes the wisdom of trickle down economics. One who recognizes you have to take pics and donate to people who you wouldn't play golf with on a regular basis.
But a tip-of-the-cap to you roamer...despite the overwhelming evidence to support his accomplishments/efforts to roll back destructive Obama policies, you too state you'll do it from the sidelines because there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two parties.
And that's the crux of where you get 'thrown off the island'. No matter how engaging, no one should take seriously, anyone who STILL won't acknowledge the stark differences between the Republican and Democrat parties. :laugh:
I never disliked Ted Cruz. Had he won, I'd have supported him just like I did McCain and Romney.
But I knew nobody stood a chance against Donald Trump. From any party.
And just as I suspected as evidenced by this thread...there is still a lot of tension between the primary factions... three years on.
I don't give a rat's ass whether people criticize Trump or not. And that is a good thing because I know they will.
I just don't see the upside in spending all your time doing that, but if it makes you happy, go for it.
No, @DCPatriot , @INVAR
Either one stands upon the truth or one does not. There is no middle ground.
@Emjay
Why not? Trump supporters deny it when we give him credit, so I figure, go for broke.
But I still don't have an answer to my question. You admit our criticism here doesn't have a real-world effect, and you say it doesn't bother you, so what does "giving up petty grievances and focusing on the enemy" mean? What does it entail and how do we do that?
@CatherineofAragon You don't do that at all because it is your greatest joy to dwell on your grievances.
I'm trying to explain the way sensible people in our situation would act.
I'm not really talking to NTers. I'm just venting as you all do. Why does it bother you so much?
@Emjay
Again with no answer to my question, but forget it. Like I figured,you know the criticism doesn't effect Trump at all. You just don't like hearing it.