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ANOTHER Obama Success Story – Flag of Al-Qaeda Flies Over Fallujah
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 3, 2014, 11:17 PM
Another Obama success story…
When George Bush left office the War in Iraq was won.
Today the flag of Al-Qaeda flies over Fallujah.
It only took five years for Obama to lose all US gains in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veVtrBWwX58 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veVtrBWwX58)
The Washington Post reported:
A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.
The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.
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Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 3, 2014, 11:17 PM
Another Obama success story…
When George Bush left office the War in Iraq was won.
Today the flag of Al-Qaeda flies over Fallujah.
It only took five years for Obama to lose all US gains in Iraq.
The Washington Post reported:
A rejuvenated al-Qaeda-affiliated force asserted control over the western Iraqi city of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago.
The capture of Fallujah came amid an explosion of violence across the western desert province of Anbar in which local tribes, Iraqi security forces and al-Qaeda-affiliated militants have been fighting one another for days in a confusingly chaotic three-way war.
al qaeda fallujah
Al Qaeda fighters march in Fallujah, Iraq this week.
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Iraq reels from the worst violence in five years as Al Qaeda fights off government forces to cling on to seized cities (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533371/Iraq-reels-worst-violence-five-years-Al-Qaeda-fights-government-forces-cling-seized-cities.html)
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This makes me physically ill.
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This makes me physically ill.
Me too....
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AP Reporter Matt Lee Grills State Department Spokeswoman: Did The U.S. Abandon Iraq? (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/01/03/ap_reporter_matt_lee_grills_state_department_spokeswoman_did_the_us_abandon_iraq.html)
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A waste of American blood and treasure. That's what this is, a waste.
What's the lesson? I say it's that military intervention cannot reconcile Islam. Muslim adherents must come to modernity on their own, through an expanded world view. The satellite dish and 150 channels will more effectively change Islam from within than could any military threat from without.
How many world superpowers must learn this lesson from bitter experience? The Soviet Union, the United States, China?
As a nation we must withdraw from foreign adventures and instead rain our treasure on America and Americans.
Naïve? No. Just a rational reassessment of the historical evidence.
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One: What kind of support is America ever going to get from locals anywhere in Africa or the M.E.? The first thing the Taliban and Al Queda do, as in North Vietnam, is they kill anyone who had anything to do with the American forces. This kind of vacillation encourages locals to support the people we are fighting, knowing that they will eventually defeat the Americans and return.
Two: What kind of red blooded American is going to want to get involved in one of these misadventures? You do not know exactly who the enemy is, which side you are on, or why you are there. Who is benefiting from this? and how and why? I believe that we are as far afield from "protecting America's security" today, as we have ever been. In fact, we seem to be on the side of the terrorists.
If we see "a threat to America", we should deploy, destroy it, and come home. That is what it is, or should be, all about. These perpetual never ending wars accomplish nothing. This idea of nation building and trying 'make them like us' is not war. I don't know what it is?
Bottom line is as a soldier today, you never know what the true agenda is, who exactly it is that you are fighting or why. Since Bush really, and much more so under Obama, it has been murky and chaotic to be an American fighting man. And just like they used to say in the TV show 'mission impossible', "America will disavow any knowledge of your actions should you be killed or captured."
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This makes me physically ill.
Me to! And I can only imagine what it is doing to those who were there and watched their friends bleed and die for nothing thanks to Barrack Hussein Obama!
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A waste of American blood and treasure. That's what this is, a waste.
What's the lesson? I say it's that military intervention cannot reconcile Islam. Muslim adherents must come to modernity on their own, through an expanded world view. The satellite dish and 150 channels will more effectively change Islam from within than could any military threat from without.
How many world superpowers must learn this lesson from bitter experience? The Soviet Union, the United States, China?
As a nation we must withdraw from foreign adventures and instead rain our treasure on America and Americans.
Naïve? No. Just a rational reassessment of the historical evidence.
I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!
If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!
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I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!
If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!
EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!
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EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!
AMEN!!
I'd like to add that I don't think what our troops did in Iraq was a 'waste.' I believe the great amount of good we did in the cause of liberty has now been squandered, but for the time our troops were there, protecting, defeating evil and giving the Iraqi people a chance for freedom, and trying to build an ally in the middle of an enemy region, they were successful.
It is Barack Hussein Obama who has given over the country to al Qaeda.
Deliberately.
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Me to! And I can only imagine what it is doing to those who were there and watched their friends bleed and die for nothing thanks to Barrack Hussein Obama!
This hurts.
But I don't believe their sacrifice was 'for nothing.' The success they had has been thrown down the drain, but they DID succeed.
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It is Barack Hussein Obama who has given over the country to al Qaeda.
Deliberately.
If I didn't say that I sure meant to!
:amen:
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EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!
Unfortunately, our government hasn't let that happen in a very long time. We haven't won a war since. Now, under Obama it is worse than it has ever been. We are spending our treasure to help Al Qaeda, I'm afraid - and I think that is exactly what Obama and his people want!
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If I didn't say that I sure meant to!
:amen:
I knew that! :patriot:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL8E10EFD7F9903CEE&feature=player_embedded&v=sN9cqtJTvF4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL8E10EFD7F9903CEE&feature=player_embedded&v=sN9cqtJTvF4)
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This makes me physically ill.
Same here. My first tears of the New Year.
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.
The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.
Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.
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This makes me physically ill.
Me too **nononono*
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I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!
If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!
I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?
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I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!
If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!
I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?
Gotta go with Bigun on this one. I don't recall how this applies to Afghanistan or how things turned out for the Russians.
Fallujah has been a cesspool ever since the first day we entered the place. My proposal at the beginning was to divide it into sections and "pacify" the place, one section at a time until it was under control.
I was resoundingly flamed, although noone offered any workable alternatives.
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I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?
We should have kept bombing Afghanistan into glass ... at least the locations of all the warlords. I also think we should have taken more, not less, control in Iraq once we had AQ on the run and taken over the oil.. on that I agree with Donald Trump.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/04/mccain-graham-blame-obama-for-al-qaeda-related-takeover-fallujah-call-situation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/04/mccain-graham-blame-obama-for-al-qaeda-related-takeover-fallujah-call-situation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29)
McCain, Graham blame Obama for Al Qaeda-related takeover of Fallujah, call situation 'predictable'
Published January 04, 2014
FoxNews.com
Top Republican senators on Saturday blamed the Obama administration for Al Qaeda-affiliates purportedly over-running parts of Iraq, including the city of Fallujah that the United States secured before President Obama removed all U.S. forces from that country in 2011.
Sen. John McCain, Arizona, and Lindsey Graham, South Carolina, called the recent turn of events “as tragic as they were predictable” and suggested Obama misled Americans into believing that Iraqi leaders wanted U.S. forces out of their country.
“While many Iraqis are responsible for this strategic disaster, the administration cannot escape its share of the blame,” the senators said in a joint statement. “When President Obama withdrew all U.S. forces … over the objections of our military leaders and commanders on the ground, many of us predicted that the vacuum would be filled by America's enemies and would emerge as a threat to U.S. national security interests. Sadly, that reality is now clearer than ever.”
The Al Qaeda-affiliated fighters took over Fallujah on Friday after a bloody three-day battle, raising their flag over government buildings as a sign of victory, according to The Washington Post.
At least eight people were killed and dozens injured Friday night as the Iraqi army tries to regain control of the city. The army, which lobbed mortar bombs in its response, has been joined in the fray by tribesmen from Ramadi, a Sunni stronghold.
The administration on Saturday called the attacks barbaric and said it is working with the Iraqi government and the tribal leaders.
“We are … concerned by efforts of the terrorist Al Qaeda/Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant to assert its authority in Syria as well as Iraq,” said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf. “Their barbarism against civilians of Ramadi and Fallujah and against Iraqi Security Forces is on display for all to see.”
Major Sunni tribes turned against Al Qaeda before the American withdrawal at the end of 2011. But they do not support the Shiite-led government in Iraq, creating an odd alliance in the battle against militants.
“The administration's narrative that Iraq's political leadership objected to U.S. forces remaining in Iraq after 2011 is patently false,” said McCain and Graham, military hawks with an active interest in Middle East affairs. “We know firsthand that Iraq's main political blocs were supportive and that the administration rejected sound military advice and squandered the opportunity to conclude a security agreement with Iraq."
On Friday, the Al Qaeda affiliates tried to win over the population in Fallujah with a militant commander appearing among worshippers holding Friday prayers in the main city street, proclaiming that his fighters were there to defend Sunnis from the government, a resident said.
There have been no reports on the total number of people injured or killed in the fighting that started earlier this week.
The overrunning of Fallujah and Ramadi, another Sunni stronghold, by Al Qaeda’s Iraqi branch in the Sunni heartland of western Anbar provinces is a blow to the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister al-Maliki. His government has been struggling to contain discontent among the Sunni minority over Shiite political domination that has flared into increased violence for the past year.
Anbar province, a desert area on the borders with Syria and Jordan, has almost an entirely Sunni population. The area served as the heartland of the Sunni insurgency that rose up against American troops and the Iraqi government after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein. Authorities earlier this week arrested a senior Sunni politician and dismantled a months-old sit-in in Ramadi sparking anger among Sunnis.
In an effort to ease tensions, al-Maliki pulled the military out of Anbar cities to transfer security duties to local police, a top demand of Sunnis who see the army as a tool of al-Maliki’s rule. Al Qaeda militants then erupted in Fallujah and Ramadi overrunning police station, driving out security forces and freeing prisoners.
“Thousands of brave Americans who fought, shed their blood, and lost their friends to bring peace to Fallujah and Iraq are now left to wonder whether these sacrifices were in vain,” said McCain and Graham, who argued the administration’s failure in Iraq has been compounded by its failed policy in Syria.
That country is involved in a years-long civil war in which tens of thousands have been killed or driven from their homeland, which the senators say has resulted in a regional conflict that now threatens U.S. national security interests.
The senators also called on Obama to learn from the Iraq experience and promptly decide on the troop levels needed to secure U.S. national security interests in Afghanistan and to keep out Al Qaeda and its terrorist allies.
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It is futile to assume muslims are capable of anything resembling western style civilization, peaceful coexistence, etc.
Brutal dictatorship has been shown to work best, but we have insisted on toppling those dictators.
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.
The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.
Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.
You've got to be kidding me.
Nukes are used when you want to kill civilians and economies. There is nothing humanitarian about it. Geesh!
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You've got to be kidding me.
Nukes are used when you want to kill civilians and economies. There is nothing humanitarian about it. Geesh!
Excuse me. The use of nukes by Truman to end WWII was chosen, because it reduced the loss of BOTH American combatants' and Japanese civilians'' lives.
Reducing loss of life is humanitarian. It is in the history books, if they are good.
BTW you need to kill civilians, in some circumstances.
After more than 12 years since 9-11-2001 we have failed to defeat Islamic terrorists, and we are walking away from the war, for the most part.
We might have killed more civilians and forced them to surrender.
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[[ A waste of American blood and treasure. That's what this is, a waste. ]]
I was saying as much years ago, over on "that other site".
[[ What's the lesson? I say it's that military intervention cannot reconcile Islam. ]]
The point of "military intervention" should never have been to "reconcile islam" in the first place -- any more than our intervention in World War II was intended to "reconcile Nazism".
The point of military intervention should have been to DISMANTLE islam, and replace it with something else.
I realized our efforts in the Middle East were doomed to failure the day the [new] Iraqi government adopted a new Constitution which stated islam to be the official state religion.
Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.
The "boss", in islamic nations, is not the government or the strongman of the day.
The boss is a guy whose name starts with "m" and who actually has been dead for 1,400 years.
If you want a Middle Eastern world that no longer poses a threat to The West, THAT"S "the boss" that has to be gotten rid of.
[[ Muslim adherents must come to modernity on their own, through an expanded world view. ]]
Never going to happen.
Repeat, never.
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Fishrrman, I get your point. And to an extent, I agree.
However, The point of military intervention should have been to DISMANTLE Islam, and replace it with something else
... would have been impossible and irrational. I understand your contempt for muslims. I, too, sometimes succumb to feeling hatred when I read about the intolerance and brutality of jihadists. But, that's a wrong mindset. Not all Muslims are radical Islamists. I have many patients who are practicing Muslims and they are good people.
Launching a religious counter crusade is not the answer. With 2 billion Muslims worldwide we have to find a way to coexist. Ultimately it's Muslims that will have to fix jihad, not the 1st Cavalry.
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I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!
If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!
:thumbsup:
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.
The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.
Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.
It took to this post to get it right. No "boots on the ground". No "collateral damage". We pay the taxes, we are all guilty. Henry David Thoreau had it right.
Starting at Algeria stop at Indonesia and every muslim Hell hole in between and don't stop until the glow takes on a nice comfortable chartreuse.
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By 2030 the global population is set to reach over 8 billion and 26.4% of that population will be Muslim.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2870/10373146405_e5309a6f22_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/105575503@N07/10373146405/)
It feels good to vent. I often engage in it myself. But, it doesn't accomplish much.
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This makes me physically ill.
This makes me puke.. We left way to soon.
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By 2030 the global population is set to reach over 8 billion and 26.4% of that population will be Muslim.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2870/10373146405_e5309a6f22_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/105575503@N07/10373146405/)
It feels good to vent. I often engage in it myself. But, it doesn't accomplish much.
That means there will be around 2 billion Muslims of which, if the current ratios hold, .04% (about 8 Million) will be Wahhabi (radicals) so do we just kill all 2 Billion to get at the 8 Million who are the troublemakers?
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This makes me puke.. We left way to soon.
One of them got elected president so no one should be surprised at the result.
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One of them got elected president so no one should be surprised at the result.
I'm not surprised at all either.
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How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep?
Of course, that's ignoring Boston because we haven't had any terrorist attacks since the 'one' came into office.
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How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep?
Of course, that's ignoring Boston because we haven't had any terrorist attacks since the 'one' came into office.
My gut feeling is that they are planning something big... I wonder if the Boston bombing was a trial run??
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[[ How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep? ]]
Since January 20, 2009?
We're "fighting them in the White House" right now.
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My gut feeling is that they are planning something big... I wonder if the Boston bombing was a trial run??
Everything really points that way doesn't it?
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[[ How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep? ]]
Since January 20, 2009?
We're "fighting them in the White House" right now.
LOL, OK I'll give you that one. :laugh:
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Everything really points that way doesn't it?
I think so...
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I think so...
It's sad that our leaders cannot, or more aptly, won't see this.
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The Obama Administration has adopted an official policy line that refuses to recognize as a member of "al-Qaeda" any organization or affiliate that is distinct from the one run by Ayman al Zawahiri, no matter how deep its ties to the parent organization. The recent New York Times whitewash piece (http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?hp#/?chapt=0) on Benghazi (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/times-ignores-evidence-al-qaeda-link-benghazi_772386.html) followed the same reasoning, refusing to pursue the many individuals with known links (http://spectator.org/blog/57297/benghazi-militia-leader-nyt-story-bin-laden-good-brother) to such organizations who were involved with the uprising that led to the deaths of four Americans in that incident.
By pretending that these decentralized organizations are somehow not sharing resources or coordinating their activities, the Administration and its State Department are able to pretend, publicly, that the "War on Terror" is over, or at least the enemy (which still cannot be named as what it is: radical Islam) has been effectively marginalized.
Meanwhile, America's young soldiers keep dying in a war that has no clear mission or measurable objectives, and which our own government denies has anything to do with what we all know damned well it has to do with.