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General Category => Economy/Business => Topic started by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 26, 2018, 01:44:48 pm
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/trump-says-harley-davidson-using-trade-tensions-as-an-excuse.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/trump-says-harley-davidson-using-trade-tensions-as-an-excuse.html)
A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!
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Playing to his base...nothing more.
Naturally, they're loving it...MAGA!!!
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Obama directly attacked Staples for cutting hours thanks to Obamacare. Trump is directly attacking Harley Davidson for moving jobs thanks to his tariffs. Big government interventionism destroys companies, then blames the companies.
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Pure Fascism.
Do what government demands, or get punished by Dear Leader using Alphabets and the IRS to destroy you.
Obama/Trump - same difference, different targets. Like the National Socialist Workers versus the Communists.
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Loving it. Harley is dog food!
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***hair on fire
On the other hand I think we’ll somehow survive.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
Uh-huh....like hell you don't.
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.
On the other hand, the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous. As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade, I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets. And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.
I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.
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Uh-huh....like hell you don't.
No, I really don't. I don't want gov't thinking they can target individual businesses.
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The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.
Both were weak lily livered losers.
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.
On the other hand, the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous. As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade, I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets. And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.
I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.
I agree.
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The two presidents of note who enacted blanket, non wartime Tariffs of this level (versus small, targeted tariffs for specific situations) we're Jimmy Carter and Woodrow Wilson.
IMO Carter gets a bum rap, the guy actually deregulated a large part of the transportation industry.
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.
On the other hand, the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous. As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade, I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets.
I pointed out in another thread that the EU tariff was actually less than the VAT and other taxes they impose on their own domestically made products in many cases. In Denmark for example, they have a 100% VAT tax (it was 180% up until a few years ago) on cars made in the EU. In other words, even with a 20% tariff on autos, that was an 80% tax discount over a German made car. It actually encouraged importation to the point, Ford had been selling more cars in Europe than many European brands.
If the EU wants to punish their citizens with a tariff (after all it is the consumer who pays) that doesn't make it right for us to do so.
It also meant that in some cases, like with BMW and some Porsche models, it was cheaper for them to open plants here, make them here, and import them back to Europe with the 20% tariff versus EU VAT. many German labels you see on American rodes were made in Kentucky and Tennessee.
At that, as we see with the case of Ford's sales there, if you don't have government interventionism and let our companies figure it out and adapt, we win. Even in spite of what the EU does.
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IMO Carter gets a bum rap, the guy actually deregulated a large part of the transportation industry.
And look how well that turned out. You meet a better class of people on a Hound than in the air today.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
Harley making bikes in Europe for Europe seems like a sane thing to do. However they (Europe) have
high tariffs to protect their market as does much of the world. So maybe we should do the same. I
don't think it is a good idea to target one company, in fact I think that is illegal (Bill of Attainder)
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""Harley must know that they won't be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!" Trump said in another tweet Tuesday."
Stating a fact is not "fascism," ferchrissakes.
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And look how well that turned out. You meet a better class of people on a Hound than in the air today.
Welp ticket prices and such went way way down which made air travel affordable for most people.
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Trump is threatening Harley Davidson for acting rationally.
On the other hand, the EU imposing 31% tariffs on Harleys is outrageous. As much as I acknowledge the value of free trade, I can viscerally support similar tariffs on the German cars that clog our local streets. And there's a lot more of them than Harleys.
I am really getting to the point where I despise Germany and the EU.
The EU imposed tariffs on Harley’s in response to Dear Leader’s tariffs and his trade war. Your blame should be placed accordingly.
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Welp ticket prices and such went way way down which made air travel affordable for most people.
I know. That is when the riff-raff started flying and ruined air travel for all decent folk who had to fly in order to make a living.
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No, I really don't. I don't want gov't thinking they can target individual businesses.
(https://johnlegry.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fasc.jpg?w=450)
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(https://johnlegry.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fasc.jpg?w=450)
Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.
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Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.
It's not about the tariff. It's about POTUS calling out another private company.
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Congratulations, you just called Reagan fascist. He placed the tariff on imported motorcycles.
Reagan's tariffs in this case were extremely targeted and shortly reversed. Almost all non-wartime presidents have had cases of small, targeted tariffs. They were not blanket tariffs of this scale, nor did he attack the private companies or the free market in how they reacted.
Tariffs on this scale have a more close relation to those enacted by Jimmy Carter or Woodrow Wilson. Attacking private companies like this is very much akin to an Obama tactic. Using the power of the federal government in such a massive, central planning factor like this would, in most cases (and we called out Obama for this) fall under the definition of the 'marriage between corporate and State'.
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Using the power of the federal government in such a massive, central planning factor like this would, in most cases (and we called out Obama for this) fall under the definition of the 'marriage between corporate and State'.
What such power is Trump using?
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What such power is Trump using?
Picking winners and losers of American-owned companies and using the power to tax to punish them because they do not operate their business the way he demands them to.
Trump doesn't even address the REASONS why a company is looking to move its operations overseas in order to address and remedy the overly taxed, regulated, hostile and toxic business environment that exists here.
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What such power is Trump using?
He has been using the power of his office to attack businesses left and right. To the point, it has resulted in billion dollar swings in stock value. A single tweet by Trump cost Amazon $6 Billion dollars. https://mashable.com/2017/08/16/donald-trump-amazon-tweet/
This is a bullying tactic that almost equates to a protection racket. It is virtual window breaking- you'll meet our demands or we'll break your windows (or worse). It is the high tech, government sponsored shake-down of private business.
One that the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces has zero Constitutional authority over.
Conservatives should be screaming at any government official doing this, even if that official has a R behind their name. We screamed when Obama used the power of his office to attack private businesses.
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Picking winners and losers of American-owned companies and using the power to tax...
How, precisely, is he doing that here?
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How, precisely, is he doing that here?
He said (exact quote): "A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!"
So he is shaking them down using the power of the office to tax them if they make certain business decisions that he doesn't like. That can even be easily construed as a threat to destroy them (the beginning of the end comment).
A President should have no involvement with the decision of a private business.
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So he is shaking them down using the power of the office to tax them...
He can do that?
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He said (exact quote): "A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!"
So he is shaking them down using the power of the office to tax them if they make certain business decisions that he doesn't like. That can even be easily construed as a threat to destroy them (the beginning of the end comment).
A President should have no involvement with the decision of a private business.
Under your avatar" "Enemy of the State".
I applaud your blunt honesty. /s
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He can do that?
He just threatened to, and while Constitutionally he can't (shouldn't) as we've seen already, he and prior presidents (see the ACA) don't seem to have any hesitation in doing so when it benefits them politically.
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Under your avatar" "Enemy of the State".
I applaud your blunt honesty. /s
I figured you would like that. Especially in the Murray Rothbard context. :)
(I don't know if everyone will get that).
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I figured you would like that. Especially in the Murray Rothbard context. :)
(I don't know if everyone will get that).
LOL!
I'm thinking of bringing back "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT TRUMP!", under mine! :laugh:
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LOL!
I'm thinking of bringing back "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT TRUMP!", under mine! :laugh:
LOL, it is funny though, some lurkers who may not have the long deep history of political discussions and study may see that term as an insult instead of a banner of freedom. It wasn't long ago Murray Rothbard and William F Buckley used it to describe themselves and was used for those who opposed the Soviet Union. Even as far back as Rome, where those who were part of slave uprisings were proscriptio- enemies of the state.
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LOL!
I'm thinking of bringing back "BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT TRUMP!", under mine! :laugh:
Given the chance I am sure you would.
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Given the chance I am sure you would.
Naa.. DC is good folk. We all just get a big passionate in our discussions. He isn't the type to mean that. He is just ornery. :)
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Naa.. DC is good folk. We all just get a big passionate in our discussions. He isn't the type to mean that. He is just ornery. :)
Thanks, buddy. :laugh:
Getting old ain't fun. No patience for anything. Even traffic signals piss me off.
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Given the chance I am sure you would.
LOL! You're the one with the sword, @INVAR Not me.
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LOL! You're the one with the sword, @INVAR Not me.
Go get him tiger!
:sword:
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Go get him tiger!
:sword:
LOL! Truthfully, I rarely even read anything he posts. Especially, when he's compelled to breakdown his post by responding to EVERY effing sentence from a poster to whom he's responding.
...thinks he's got an answer for everything.
"Thinks" being the keyword there.
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Naa.. DC is good folk. We all just get a big passionate in our discussions. He isn't the type to mean that. He is just ornery. :)
Never underestimate stupidity found in large groups of passionate mobs.
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Never underestimate stupidity found in large groups of passionate mobs.
I wouldn't take too seriously any statement people make here or any other internet forum. You never know a person's real personality from seeing internet posts. Often many will play the extreme of their role online while they be more tempered and balanced in real life. I'm sure in real life, @DCPatriot would only cut off half your head. :smokin:
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Picking winners and losers of American-owned companies and using the power to tax to punish them because they do not operate their business the way he demands them to.
@INVAR
Dictator Trump sees citizens/companies as his employees and will punish those who do not follow his directions.
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Trump is at once negotiating and persuading.
His detractors are the last to realize this however, since their minds are already made up, and their jaws are flapping.
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Trump is at once negotiating and persuading.
His detractors are the last to realize this however, since their minds are already made up, and their jaws are flapping.
Threatening to 'end' a business through taxation is not 'negotiating and persuading'.
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Harley-Davidson manufactures its motorcycles at factories in York, Pennsylvania; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Kansas City, Missouri (closing); Manaus, Brazil; and Bawal, India. Construction of a new plant in Thailand is scheduled to begin in late 2018[5]. The company markets its products worldwide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-Davidson
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Threatening to 'end' a business through taxation is not 'negotiating and persuading'.
In the Age of Obama and the Age of Trump, with this Government Mafia - it is.
They will make us 'offers' we cannot refuse.
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Threatening to 'end' a business through taxation is not 'negotiating and persuading'.
Of course it is.
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Of course it is.
Have you ever read "The Administrator" by Philip Dru?
It was one of our former president's favorite books and one he modeled his presidency after. (or at least tried).
There are a many correlations now.
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We don't have a president anymore. We have the Godfather.
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Of course it is.
Ah yes, putting government guns to heads of business owners is now called "persuasion" and "Negotiating" by both Leftists and ForeverTrump®s.
Ism's of a kind march to the same mind.
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Ah yes, putting government guns to heads of business owners is now called "persuasion" and "Negotiating" by both Leftists and ForeverTrump®s.
Ism's of a kind march to the same mind.
You will sell to only whom we tell you to and pay us protection or we'll break your windows.
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You will sell to only whom we tell you to and pay us protection or we'll break your windows.
And if you still won't do as we say, we will bankrupt you anyway right before we firebomb your company to ashes and possibly you find yourselves sleeping wit da fishes.
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I wouldn't take too seriously any statement people make here or any other internet forum. You never know a person's real personality from seeing internet posts. Often many will play the extreme of their role online while they be more tempered and balanced in real life. I'm sure in real life, @DCPatriot would only cut off half your head. :smokin:
...with a butter knife.😏
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And if you still won't do as we say, we will bankrupt you anyway right before we firebomb your company to ashes and possibly you find yourselves sleeping wit da fishes.
Maybe there can be one day set aside to teach all these businesses a lesson. If they take their business elsewhere or buy foreign products, they get their windows broken. (better than putting them out of business through taxation). It could be a whole event where all the MAGA crowd joins in. Everyone wear their red hats and break windows of known undesirable businesses who didn't comply. Call it a Day of Broken Glass or something catchy like that.
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Maybe there can be one day set aside to teach all these businesses a lesson. If they take their business elsewhere or buy foreign products, they get their windows broken. (better than putting them out of business through taxation). It could be a whole event where all the MAGA crowd joins in. Everyone wear their red hats and break windows of known undesirable businesses who didn't comply. Call it a Day of Broken Glass or something catchy like that.
Stop it.
You're giving historical ignoramuses ideas.
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And if you still won't do as we say, we will bankrupt you anyway right before we firebomb your company to ashes and possibly you find yourselves sleeping wit da fishes.
Whoa, Paint. Yer working up a froth.
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Whoa, Paint. Yer working up a froth.
Meh... "ridden hard and put away wet". ^-^
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A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never!
I little late to reality:
The war of words between President Trump and Harley-Davidson over its decision to shift some production to Europe conceals a simple truth: The famed American company has been expanding overseas for years.
Harley-Davison HOG, -0.60% made its first foray outside the U.S. near the end of the Clinton administration in 1999 when it opened a plant in Brazil. The company later acquired a parts maker in Australia during the Bush years. It opened a plant in India in 2011 when Barack Obama was president. And shortly after Trump took office in 2017, Harley-Davidson said it would build a plant in Thailand.
Europe is the next frontier.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,322059.msg1683704/topicseen.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,322059.msg1683704/topicseen.html#new)
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Pure Fascism.Do what government demands, or get punished by Dear Leader using Alphabets and the IRS to destroy you. Obama/Trump - same difference, different targets. Like the National Socialist Workers versus the Communists.
@INVAR
Pure Dictator Trump. Do what he demands, or get punished by Dictator Trump using Alphabets and the IRS to destroy you. There, INVAR, fixed it for you.
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
@RoosGirl
It's Trump mass hypnosis - Trump takes people to their worst base instinct and they are stuck there accepting anything he says/does.
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@RoosGirl
It's Trump mass hypnosis - Trump takes people to their worst base instinct and they are stuck there accepting anything he says/does.
Meh, I don't really believe that mass hypnosis stuff. And I don't think Trump is threatening to sick the IRS on Harley; it seems clear to me he's talking about European taxes. Once again the title of the article attempts to lead people down a path. The objection for me is here is Trump, once again, calling out specific private companies. I don't like it when he does it with Amazon or Red Hen or Harley.
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He has been using the power of his office to attack businesses left and right. To the point, it has resulted in billion dollar swings in stock value. A single tweet by Trump cost Amazon $6 Billion dollars. https://mashable.com/2017/08/16/donald-trump-amazon-tweet/ This is a bullying tactic that almost equates to a protection racket. It is virtual window breaking- you'll meet our demands or we'll break your windows (or worse). It is the high tech, government sponsored shake-down of private business.
One that the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces has zero Constitutional authority over. Conservatives should be screaming at any government official doing this, even if that official has a R behind their name. We screamed when Obama used the power of his office to attack private businesses.
@AbaraXas
EXCELLENT POST
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I sure do not understand cheering on policies now that would have been ripped apart if Obama had suggested them.
Where does the 'if' come from?
Do you recall this? ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw#)
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Where does the 'if' come from?
Do you recall this? ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw#)
Some of us do. And what we find amazing is that the same people who went berserk over Obama's specific calling out and targeting of coal companies and electric companies for punitive government action are cheerleading when Trump does it to those companies HE dislikes and wants to make public examples of.
It's Not Fascism when WE DO IT!
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Meh, I don't really believe that mass hypnosis stuff. And I don't think Trump is threatening to sick the IRS on Harley; it seems clear to me he's talking about European taxes. Once again the title of the article attempts to lead people down a path. The objection for me is here is Trump, once again, calling out specific private companies. I don't like it when he does it with Amazon or Red Hen or Harley.
Three problems with this.
1. Europe isn't raising taxes on Harley, they are providing incentives.
2. Trump has been using tariffs to punish other companies.
...and...
3. He said in a tweet shortly below that one that this specifically was going to be a tax he hits them with if they moved- not a reference to EU taxes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011574256117993472?s=19
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Where does the 'if' come from?
Do you recall this? ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw#)
The "if" comes from the specific instances of Trump using the office of POTUS to try to punish Amzon and Red Hen and now targetting Harley.
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Three problems with this.
1. Europe isn't raising taxes on Harley, they are providing incentives.
2. Trump has been using tariffs to punish other companies.
...and...
3. He said in a tweet shortly below that one that this specifically was going to be a tax he hits them with if they moved- not a reference to EU taxes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011574256117993472?s=19
No, EU is not raising taxes, but don't they already have a rather robust tax system?
The Tweet from yesterday morning is more clear that he will attempt to increase taxes on imports. The way it is worded does indeed sound like he is targeting Harley more specifically than I initially thought.
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The Tweet from yesterday morning is more clear that he will attempt to increase taxes on imports. The way it is worded does indeed sound like he is targeting Harley more specifically than I initially thought.
I think that what Trump means is that the U.S. will impose tariffs on EU vehicle imports to this country. If Harley Davidson builds bikes in Europe and ships them here, they will be "taxed as never before".
HD is acting rationally, in response to tariffs, to build in Europe what it sells in Europe. Now there are a lot more German-built cars sold in America than there are U.S.-built Harleys sold in Europe. What Trump is trying to do with these sorts of tariffs is to get European carmakers to build here more of what they sell here. Why is that such a bad idea?
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I think that what Trump means is that the U.S. will impose tariffs on EU vehicle imports to this country. If Harley Davidson builds bikes in Europe and ships them here, they will be "taxed as never before".
HD is acting rationally, in response to tariffs, to build in Europe what it sells in Europe. Now there are a lot more German-built cars sold in America than there are U.S.-built Harleys sold in Europe. What Trump is trying to do with these sorts of tariffs is to get European carmakers to build here more of what they sell here. Why is that such a bad idea?
I'm not going to try to guess what hidden meaning may or may not be in his words. Why would I assume anythi g other than what he wrote?
Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!
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American automakers, by and large, build abroad what they sell abroad. Japanese and Korean automakers have made, IMO, reasonable and substantial efforts to build here what they sell here. But the E.U. automakers largely have not. BMW builds a few SUV models here, and Volkswagen has a plant in Chattanooga. But I don't think a single BMW automobile, or Audi of any kind, is built here, and Volkswagen builds in North America mostly in Mexico.
If it takes tariffs for E.U. automakers to build here what they sell here, then so be it. What's good for Harley Davidson is good for Mercedes and Volkswagen. And there's a lot more jobs at stake building those vehicles here than in Harley building hawgs in Europe, which are largely novelties overseas.
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The "if" comes from the specific instances of Trump using the office of POTUS to try to punish Amzon and Red Hen and now targetting Harley.
You said 'If" Obama had suggested them.
I give you a factual conversation where Obama stated uncategorically he would bankrupt a company using coal and actually succeeded in more than one instance.
Yet you try to equate that to some statements made by Trump wherein you say he will 'try' to punish certain companies.
There is a huge difference, yet your Trump hatred hallucinates you from seeing the difference in what actually transpired under Obama to something that may or may not happen under Trump.
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You said 'If" Obama had suggested them.
I give you a factual conversation where Obama stated uncategorically he would bankrupt a company using coal and actually succeeded in more than one instance.
Yet you try to equate that to some statements made by Trump wherein you say he will 'try' to punish certain companies.
There is a huge difference, yet your Trump hatred hallucinates you from seeing the difference in what actually transpired under Obama to something that may or may not happen under Trump.
Oh, I guess I have to wait to see if Trump will actually follow through on punishing one of those businesses before I comment on what he says. *****rollingeyes*****
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Oh, I guess I have to wait to see if Trump will actually follow through on punishing one of those businesses before I comment on what he says. *****rollingeyes*****
Right. It's not like he has a history of being vindictive or anything...
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Right. It's not like he has a history of being vindictive or anything...
That it's okay for a POTUS to even talk about such a thing is beyond ridiculous to me. I can't believe there's anyone that would question that.
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That it's okay for a POTUS to even talk about such a thing is beyond ridiculous to me. I can't believe there's anyone that would question that.
That's right...
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Oh, I guess I have to wait to see if Trump will actually follow through on punishing one of those businesses before I comment on what he says. *****rollingeyes*****
Why not go ahead and hear what the Harley employees think about it? They are a bit closer to the action than either you or me, and they do not share your own attitude on the imminent destruction of Harley Davidson.
Harley-Davidson Workers Praise Trump’s Tariffs: ‘He’s Just Trying to Save American Industry
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-workers-praise-trumps-tariffs-hes-just-trying-to-save-american-industry/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-workers-praise-trumps-tariffs-hes-just-trying-to-save-american-industry/)
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Why not go ahead and hear what the Harley employees think about it? They are a bit closer to the action than either you or me, and they do not share your own attitude on the imminent destruction of Harley Davidson.
Harley-Davidson Workers Praise Trump’s Tariffs: ‘He’s Just Trying to Save American Industry
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-workers-praise-trumps-tariffs-hes-just-trying-to-save-american-industry/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/26/harley-davidson-workers-praise-trumps-tariffs-hes-just-trying-to-save-american-industry/)
You don't get what I'm saying. It doesn't matter what the employees think. No POTUS should target, for any reason, a private business. But Trump has a history of doing it; Amazon, Red Hen, and now Harley.
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You don't get what I'm saying. It doesn't matter what the employees think. No POTUS should target, for any reason, a private business. But Trump has a history of doing it; Amazon, Red Hen, and now Harley.
You still exhibit your bigotry for Trump.
Of course it matters what those most affected say about it. The fact that even the employees agree Trump is doing the right thing means all you are doing is dreaming up some wild charge of targeting.
Here's his tweet:
....When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!
How is that what you say, " target, for any reason, a private business"?
Trump is on record for saying ANY business will receive a big tax by shipping products into the USA. It is not unique to Harley.
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You still exhibit your bigotry for Trump.
Of course it matters what those most affected say about it. The fact that even the employees agree Trump is doing the right thing means all you are doing is dreaming up some wild charge of targeting.
Here's his tweet:
....When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!
How is that what you say, " target, for any reason, a private business"?
Trump is on record for saying ANY business will receive a big tax by shipping products into the USA. It is not unique to Harley.
Right, so when I say "No POTUS" that's me showing bigotry against just Trump. Substitute the words "call out" for "target", maybe it'll smooth your fur a bit. If that doesn't work for you then we disagree. Feel free to move along.
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You still exhibit your bigotry for Trump.
Of course it matters what those most affected say about it. The fact that even the employees agree Trump is doing the right thing means all you are doing is dreaming up some wild charge of targeting.
Here's his tweet:
....When I had Harley-Davidson officials over to the White House, I chided them about tariffs in other countries, like India, being too high. Companies are now coming back to America. Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into U.S. without paying a big tax!
How is that what you say, " target, for any reason, a private business"?
Trump is on record for saying ANY business will receive a big tax by shipping products into the USA. It is not unique to Harley.
@IsailedawayfromFR You are correct and sadly @RoosGirl is mistaken.
It’s difficult for some people to put aside their dislike for Donald Trump long enough to give him a fair hearing. Fortunately the success of his administration doesn’t hinge on RoosGirl’s opinion of Donald Trump.
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@IsailedawayfromFR You are correct and sadly @RoosGirl is mistaken.
It’s difficult for some people to put aside their dislike for Donald Trump long enough to give him a fair hearing. Fortunately the success of his administration doesn’t hinge on RoosGirl’s opinion of Donald Trump.
I suspect you have no idea what my opinion of Donald Trump is. It is difficult for some people to put aside their dislike for RoosGirl long enough to give her a fair hearing.
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Flashback from March, from Fox, on how the proposed Tariffs would hurt Harley.
http://fox6now.com/2018/03/12/economics-expert-tariffs-on-foreign-steel-could-hurt-harley-davidson-3-ways/ (http://fox6now.com/2018/03/12/economics-expert-tariffs-on-foreign-steel-could-hurt-harley-davidson-3-ways/)
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IMO Carter gets a bum rap, the guy actually deregulated a large part of the transportation industry.
Carter did improve the airline industry.
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Trump is on record for saying ANY business will receive a big tax by shipping products into the USA. It is not unique to Harley.
That's how I read it, too. Trump's not "targeting a private business". But in the new world of "build here what you sell here", an American vehicle manufacturer that builds abroad and ships here will be subject to a tariff, same as a German vehicle manufacturer. The Europeans need to follow the example of the Japanese and even the Koreans, who build mainstream models here, increasingly from American-sourced parts.
The Japanese and Koreans have largely approached the American market in good faith. The Europeans have not (and increasingly, neither has the Big Three, who've even started to import cars from China (Buick Endeavor). If it takes tariffs to get automakers to build here, then so be it.
I've bought cars from the Big Three all my life, but when my son needed a new compact car, we got him a Hyundai. The car was assembled here, with an American-built engine and an American-built transmission. NO model from the Big Three offered all that.
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Carter did improve the airline industry.
Except it was Gerald Ford who should get credit. He really started that ball rolling. Carter actually stalled the process from 76-78 until he was facing a midterm defeat and suddenly the Dems decided they needed to jump on that. Edward Kennedy joined the Republicans and that is what pushed it over.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-20/airline-deregulation-revisitedbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-20/airline-deregulation-revisitedbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice)
Of course, once they saw it was popular, the Dems took complete credit.
It is kind of like Civil Rights. It was Eisenhower who really got that ball moving and the Dems fought it until they saw they could use it to their advantage.
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Except it was Gerald Ford who should get credit. He really started that ball rolling. Carter actually stalled the process from 76-78 until he was facing a midterm defeat and suddenly the Dems decided they needed to jump on that. Edward Kennedy joined the Republicans and that is what pushed it over.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-20/airline-deregulation-revisitedbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-20/airline-deregulation-revisitedbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice)
Of course, once they saw it was popular, the Dems took complete credit.
It is kind of like Civil Rights. It was Eisenhower who really got that ball moving and the Dems fought it until they saw they could use it to their advantage.
Well Ford did us a big favor. I bet you Trump would propose regulation of the Airline Industry and a lot of people here would support it.
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Well Ford did us a big favor. I bet you Trump would propose regulation of the Airline Industry and a lot of people here would support it.
Yep. People here are dumb (except us of course). As shown by this thread.
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Yep. People here are dumb (except us of course). As shown by this thread.
Yep... I really don't want a economy based on what happened 60 years ago.