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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 27, 2018, 01:32:42 pm
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By Cathy Burke | Thursday, 26 July 2018 09:04 PM
Republicans will have to woo Independent and swing voters — and emphasize the strength of the economy — if they want to maintain control of the House in this fall's midterm elections, GOP strategist Karl Rove said Thursday.
In an interview on Fox News' "The Daily Briefing," the former White House deputy chief of staff for President George W. Bush said the momentum has been swinging to Democrats in key Midwestern states "because Democrats have had a good fundraising quarter."
More concerning, Rove said, however, is President Donald Trump's drop in approval among Independent voters.
"Republicans can't do it with Republicans only," Rove said. "They have to have Republicans and swing voters in order to win these races."
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Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.
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Gee Karl! That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s
When have they ever been able to do it without independents?
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Gee Karl! That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s
When have they ever been able to do it without independents?
Exactly.
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Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.
You can't please everyone for trying but you can please many independents by sticking with a program of prosperity.
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You can't please everyone for trying but you can please many independents by sticking with a program of prosperity.
The only hope for the GOP's success is to stick with the president's agenda, which appears to be working.
But because what the majority of the voters want and what DC - both parties together - wants are two completely different things I'm afraid the GOP would rather lose.
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@mystery-ak
This is true. Independents vote by emotion as they are not connected to either party. They vote according to which party they think will be better for them right then. Since they are not really into politics, they may watch the news channel in their town/city in the evening for local news and perhaps cable news like Fox, CNN, for news but not stay connected to any of those for hours. Trump's antics are on the news every day, so they will see some of that and that will likely push them toward the Democrats in the fall. Also, some women Republicans will not vote for Trump people as a slap toward Trump.
Generally, the country is split about 40-45% Republican and 40-45% Democrat, it is the 10-20% Independents who determine who wins. This has been historically true for voting pattern. However, this is a non-presidential year and historically more Republicans show up to vote than Democrats in a non-presidential year.
I will study the country voting pattern after the November election to determine if the "historical" vote pattern still holds.
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Well Karl, it will be even more interesting to discover you can't do it without principled Conservatives either, unless going full-tilt Democrat is your goal - and then, just go after the rabid liberals who feel abandoned now that Marxist/Communists have taken over their party.
They need a home Karl, and I am sure you and the GOP will welcome them with open arms, as you make passing the liberal agenda an official platform in your party plank.
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Gee Karl! That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s
When have they ever been able to do it without independents?
Did you ever wish you could take that white board of his and shove it up his ass and twist it sideways?
Okay I fell better now that I got that out of my system.
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Did you ever wish you could take that white board of his and shove it up his ass and twist it sideways?
Okay I fell better now that I got that out of my system.
I've known the guy for many years and will tell you that he was good at what he did (direct mail consulting) before G.W. made him famous! He should have stuck to what he was good at!
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Go away Karl. he just can't stand the fact a Republican won without his help.
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Well, I don't think the Republicans will have this independent's help for the midterms. Has little to do with Trump and more because the Republican candidates in this state are everything from untrustworthy to zeroes. The Republican running against Senator Casey, for example, has yet to run any campaign ads here and, I'm sorry to say, he reminds me of a character from the Sopranos. The congressional races don't apply to me -- I don't live in those districts -- so I can't vote in them anyhow. The one race though already has the dull incumbent Republican trailing the charming Dem upstart by a large margin.
I think there will be a lot of voters who will look at this spate of candidates, yawn and just stay home. Trying to ride on Trump's coattails may not work. The Republicans need some better candidates.
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Gee Karl! That is a BRILLIANT observation! /s
When have they ever been able to do it without independents?
I think Rove has lost whatever 'feel' for the electorate he ever had.
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The said part is they could have appealed to a large chunk of independents just by being conservative.
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The said part is they could have appealed to a large chunk of independents just by being conservative.
Very much agreed. What do we have now? Far right socialist Dems, a few moderate Dems (who are being pushed out by the far right Dems), and left-leaning Republicans. The Republicans try to move left and the Dems are moving further left. Didn't anyone think moving further right might be the way to go? Who wants variations of the same old, same old?
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Very much agreed. What do we have now? Far right socialist Dems, a few moderate Dems (who are being pushed out by the far right Dems), and left-leaning Republicans. The Republicans try to move left and the Dems are moving further left. Didn't anyone think moving further right might be the way to go? Who wants variations of the same old, same old?
The entirety of the Republican leadership, most of their party and most of the population apparently.
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I think Rove has lost whatever 'feel' for the electorate he ever had.
His hand led GW Bush to piss away the 2nd of his two terms, with "amnesty." and devastating loss of the House in 2006.
Fortunately without his "guidance," the Tea Party took the House back in 2010.
Carl, your era has slipped into the past.
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Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.
Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.
I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76. I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.
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Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.
I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76. I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.
But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.
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Speaking of irrelevant people from our political past, I just saw Joe Lieberman interviewed on Fox.
I would have bet that he was dead but, my gosh, I looked him up and he is only 76. I cannot look at him without remembering that old 'sore Loserman' chant.
I can.
He's been somewhat liberal on domestic issues but fairly sound on foreign policy.
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Karl Roves fetish with Independents really payed off in '12 didn't it?
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But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.
A lot!
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His hand led GW Bush to piss away the 2nd of his two terms, with "amnesty." and devastating loss of the House in 2006.
Fortunately without his "guidance," the Tea Party took the House back in 2010.
Carl, your era has slipped into the past.
GWB only won because he went against the two worst candidates the Democrats could have come up with, in Gore and Kerry.
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I can.
He's been somewhat liberal on domestic issues but fairly sound on foreign policy.
Lieberman is the last "Scoop Jackson Democrat".
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But what we wouldn't give today for about 150 Joe Liebermans to replace an equal number of batsh*t crazy loons currently infesting the House democrat party asylum.
Even though..... Joe Lieberman's voice put me right to sleep ..... I would take a dozen or more of him replacing certain RINOs in a heartbeat. (yeah, still dreaming....)
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Very much agreed. What do we have now? Far right socialist Dems, a few moderate Dems (who are being pushed out by the far right Dems), and left-leaning Republicans. The Republicans try to move left and the Dems are moving further left. Didn't anyone think moving further right might be the way to go? Who wants variations of the same old, same old?
Be grateful the leftist Dems did not think about moving (faking) to the right. I'm glad they're not bright enough (or too leftist.... same thing) to do that.
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Of course Rove would recommend a move to the middle, which would seal the GOPs fate.
More than half of Conservatives stand outside of the Republican Party. To assume 'Independents' are in the middle is a huge mistake.
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Good grief ... why would anyone listen to Karl Rove to begin with? He's proven to be irrelevant (and wrong) time and time again.
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Well Karl, it will be even more interesting to discover you can't do it without principled Conservatives either, unless going full-tilt Democrat is your goal - and then, just go after the rabid liberals who feel abandoned now that Marxist/Communists have taken over their party.
They need a home Karl, and I am sure you and the GOP will welcome them with open arms, as you make passing the liberal agenda an official platform in your party plank.
That is exactly what I was going to say. He should be saying Republicans can't do it without Conservatives. You either stand for something or you don't. If Republicans no longer hold Conservative values everyone might as well be Independent because the party is a nothing burger.
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If Republicans no longer hold Conservative values everyone might as well be Independent because the party is a nothing burger.
No, they no longer hold Conservative values. Rather as evidenced by the last 9 years, they hold Conservatives in contempt and govern even more stridently Statist than the Democrats do.
They never really were a 'Conservative' party to begin with. Reagan brought principled Conservatives in, but the Oligarchy and party leadership hated Reagan and have worked since to make sure another like him never again is able to take their party back to one of limited government and moral values.
Conservatives need to find another party to call home.
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That is exactly what I was going to say. He should be saying Republicans can't do it without Conservatives. You either stand for something or you don't. If Republicans no longer hold Conservative values everyone might as well be Independent because the party is a nothing burger.
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Interestingly, when one actually visits the web page of The Conservative Party USA, one finds Sen. Ted Cruz' endorsement of Trump.
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This is my favorite quote from Karl before he went brain dead;
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But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban.
Karl Rove
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This is my favorite quote from Karl before he went brain dead;
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But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban.
Karl Rove
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Makes you wonder what happened to him?
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Well Turdblossom - here's the deal: Indies don't vote very well in the mid-terms. Half the rate of Republicans, especially in the Red states. Those that do tend to be informed and fairly partisan as very few true indies tend to vote in those elections.
If I were a campaign manager this time around, I'd woo the Indies I could, try to keep the loss to no more than 55-45, and go right after the same blue dog dems Trump did. Pump up the GOP turnout, and try to demoralize the Bernie Dems from coming out.