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Title: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 02:50:40 am
 

Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416

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Central Americans come here to escape poverty and benefit from our welfare system.  Where can Americans seek asylum when their communities are overrun by MS-13?
On today’s show, I discuss what is happening in some Maryland communities with MS-13 activity growing out of control as more illegal alien teens settle in the D.C. region.
I also show how illegal aliens are sapping our health care system and hospitals and nobody is asking who will pick up the tab. Instead, the media is concerned about how many illegal aliens die of natural causes while in ICE custody rather than about how many murders by illegal aliens ICE is able to prevent.
Finally, I focus on health care. The legislative proposals targeting “surprise billing” in the ERs are a total lie and will make matters worse because we are not addressing the core problems in health care.   

https://omny.fm/shows/the-conservative-conscience-with-daniel-horowitz-1/where-do-we-escape-for-our-asylum-ep-416

I highly  recommend listening to the entire episode.  Right on the money. 

@DCPatriot this episode tells the real story about DC.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 02:57:03 am


Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416

Description
Central Americans come here to escape poverty and benefit from our welfare system.  Where can Americans seek asylum when their communities are overrun by MS-13?
On today’s show, I discuss what is happening in some Maryland communities with MS-13 activity growing out of control as more illegal alien teens settle in the D.C. region.
I also show how illegal aliens are sapping our health care system and hospitals and nobody is asking who will pick up the tab. Instead, the media is concerned about how many illegal aliens die of natural causes while in ICE custody rather than about how many murders by illegal aliens ICE is able to prevent.
Finally, I focus on health care. The legislative proposals targeting “surprise billing” in the ERs are a total lie and will make matters worse because we are not addressing the core problems in health care.   

https://omny.fm/shows/the-conservative-conscience-with-daniel-horowitz-1/where-do-we-escape-for-our-asylum-ep-416

I highly  recommend listening to the entire episode.  Right on the money. 

@DCPatriot this episode tells the real story about DC.

Geez....  am I talking to the wall around here?   Buehler???

Build the Wall!    :laugh:
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 03:04:41 am
And to go along with it Trump was supposed to be the President to reign in crime.  And people celebrated prison reform even though it helps people here illegally like MS-13.



The Kushner-Kardashian-Van Jones alliance
Daniel Horowitz · June 15, 2018


ark Wilson | Getty Images
During Trump’s RNC acceptance speech, he promised to be the “law and order candidate” and a force for law enforcement and victims of crime. “Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement,” warned Trump. But rather than following his campaign agenda, he appears to be allowing Jared Kushner to deputize Kim Kardashian West and Van Jones to roll back policies that even Obama was not willing to touch.

Kim Kardashian West has made it clear that she is just getting warmed up with her jailbreak agenda. She told NBC that she had “assembled a large legal team and was pursuing clemency for several other nonviolent offenders.” In addition, Vanity Fair reports that Jared Kushner has a new relationship with Van Jones, and they are working together on the criminal justice “reform” agenda. Of course, nobody in the media will ask Kushner or Kardashian West to have the convicts unseal their pre-sentencing reports, which would likely reveal that these people are in prison for a very good reason. These are the same reports that the U.S. Sentencing Commission read when it passed over these people for release, and Obama did as well when he released 1,700 hardened gun felons and drug traffickers but still didn’t release these people.

There is now an army of lawyers, celebrities, and activists combing through every prison file to find more people to release. But there is no balance or context. For every individual criminal who might be over-sentenced, there are dozens who are under-sentenced or not convicted at all.  According to the FBI, only 59.4 percent of the 15,556 murder cases, 36.5 percent of the 111,241 rape cases, and 29.6 percent of the 306,172 robbery cases in 2016 were solved or resolved in some way. Just in one year! Who is speaking up for the victims, and who is combing through those files to try to solve those crimes?
Make no mistake about it, this is not just about releasing the drug traffickers responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans every year, as well as other crimes. The phony conservative movement now inspired by Kardashian West and Van Jones has completely adopted the philosophy of the Left on incarceration.

It all begins in California. Last year, California passed SB 394, which will re-open sentencing for juveniles convicted of murder and serving life in prison without parole. Those who already served 25 years could be eligible for parole with a new hearing. Guess what? This is, in part, a provision in the sentencing bill passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee in February and likely to be the “second step” after the “first step act” back-end early releases. A big feature of the Senate bill introduced by Durbin and Grassley is leniency for those convicted of crimes as juveniles. A number of those who would be eligible for juvenile sentencing leniencies under Sec. 208 of the Senate bill are MS-13 gang members. An MS-13 member who was convicted of murder when he was 17 years old and has served 20 years in federal prison could be let out on the streets at the stroke of a pen.


https://www.conservativereview.com/news/the-kushner-kardashian-van-jones-alliance/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/the-kushner-kardashian-van-jones-alliance/)


You tell me is all of this making America great again.  Illegal immigration at it highest.  Prisoners being released early.  And we know that illegal immigrants make up 30% of the prison population.  That is what is recorded now.  But since illegal immigration is at a staggering rate since Donald Trump took office who knows what the new statistics will be.  50%  or more?  Especially since we are just releasing them now without any vetting. 
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 03:06:34 am
Geez....  am I talking to the wall around here?   Buehler???

Build the Wall!    :laugh:


Build the wall?  Trump already assured that would not secure anything when he signed that bill that allowed local government to opt out.  Probably ones that are complacent with border crime.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Sanguine on May 23, 2019, 03:06:37 am
I hear Guatemala and El Salvador are pretty empty right now.  And, most of the bad guys have left and are now here, so it should be fairly safe.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 03:19:22 am
I hear Guatemala and El Salvador are pretty empty right now.  And, most of the bad guys have left and are now here, so it should be fairly safe.


Most likely already released into our communities.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 04:32:21 pm

Build the wall?  Trump already assured that would not secure anything when he signed that bill that allowed local government to opt out.  Probably ones that are complacent with border crime.

I am not your enemy here, @Chosen Daughter

I'm coming from the position that my government....MY county AND state (Montgomery/Maryland) has been a GROUND ZERO for importing immigrants.  For the most part, let's call them blue collar.

Being indignant and angry about doesn't change anything.  So...being PRAGMATIC in my approach, I ask...how do I thrive economically in this environment?   It was as nature intends:  Survival of the Fittest.

The rest is history.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: libertybele on May 23, 2019, 06:08:39 pm
I am not your enemy here, @Chosen Daughter

I'm coming from the position that my government....MY county AND state (Montgomery/Maryland) has been a GROUND ZERO for importing immigrants.  For the most part, let's call them blue collar.

Being indignant and angry about doesn't change anything.  So...being PRAGMATIC in my approach, I ask...how do I thrive economically in this environment?   It was as nature intends:  Survival of the Fittest.

The rest is history.

For many it's going to be how do I 'survive' in this economic environment?  We have hundreds of thousands of new ILLEGALS entering...how are they going to survive?? Either they will find some type of labor and get paid under the table, or they will steal and commit other crimes to survive.  Most will get on to some kind of government assistance.  Are you ready, willing and able to support them @DCPatriot
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 07:31:48 pm
I am not your enemy here, @Chosen Daughter

I'm coming from the position that my government....MY county AND state (Montgomery/Maryland) has been a GROUND ZERO for importing immigrants.  For the most part, let's call them blue collar.

Being indignant and angry about doesn't change anything.  So...being PRAGMATIC in my approach, I ask...how do I thrive economically in this environment?   It was as nature intends:  Survival of the Fittest.

The rest is history.


I don't say this lightly but you are the enemy.  Your the enemy of your country and so are all the people who could but don't do anything about the situation.  Just because you don't have to compete with them doesn't make it OK.  It is the "blue"collar workers who made this country.  Americans that made corporations succeed.  Now we pretend like they should have some kind of evolution experience so that illegal aliens can take their jobs.


Is it any wonder that you love Trump so much?  You are one of the few who understands that Trump is a phony.    "Art of the deal" is how many of his supporters are suckers that will believe him.  He goes out and talks the talk but its lets make a deal you chose the wrong door candidate to work for you.  There is plenty of evidence that he has no intention on rewardding blue collar workers by giving them back the advantage.  By keeping his promises.  He actively works against blue collar workers.   Sabotaging his own wall by allowing local governments to opt out.  Here is another example:


12M Americans Out of Workforce as DHS Approves 30K More Foreign Workers

Nearly 12 million Americans remain out of the United States labor force as the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) approved 30,000 more foreign workers  businesses can bring to the country to take blue-collar U.S. jobs.

As Breitbart News reported, Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan said this week that he would approve an additional 30,000 H-2B foreign visa workers to be brought to the U.S. by businesses to take blue-collar, non-agricultural jobs. This comes as former DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen approved an additional 30,000 H-2B foreign workers in March.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/07/12m-americans-out-of-workforce-as-dhs-approves-30k-more-foreign-workers/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/07/12m-americans-out-of-workforce-as-dhs-approves-30k-more-foreign-workers/)

And blue collar workers used to be the backbone of our country.  Now they are just the poor sobs that didn't get enough education being aced out of the workforce by illegal aliens.  Has Trump done anything to stop it?  No!  Absolutely NO!!!!!!!!


There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do
A detailed look at immigrants (legal and illegal) and natives across occupations

https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do (https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do)

https://www.bluecollaramerica.org/ (https://www.bluecollaramerica.org/)
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 07:36:12 pm
For many it's going to be how do I 'survive' in this economic environment?  We have hundreds of thousands of new ILLEGALS entering...how are they going to survive?? Either they will find some type of labor and get paid under the table, or they will steal and commit other crimes to survive.  Most will get on to some kind of government assistance.  Are you ready, willing and able to support them @DCPatriot ?

The benefits of being my age is that it's no longer my problem to deal with.

I'm not even sure there's any "problem".  They've been fed and clothed and given housing.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Bigun on May 23, 2019, 07:47:55 pm
The benefits of being my age is that it's no longer my problem to deal with.

I'm not even sure there's any "problem".  They've been fed and clothed and given housing.

On this matter @Chosen Daughter is right and you @DCPatriot are completely wrong.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 08:00:19 pm
On this matter @Chosen Daughter is right and you @DCPatriot are completely wrong.

Hmmm..... I sense a disturbance in The Force.      :laugh: 
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 08:03:43 pm
On this matter @Chosen Daughter is right and you @DCPatriot are completely wrong.

And I don't take any pleasure in being right.  This government including Donald Trump is actively forwarding a campaign to rid America of its American workforce. 


U.S. Chamber of Commerce declares that Americans have no role in making their own country… only “dreamers” count from now on
11/16/2017 / By JD Heyes

 https://www.newstarget.com/2017-11-16-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-declares-that-americans-have-no-role-in-making-their-own-country-only-dreamers-count-from-now-on.html (https://www.newstarget.com/2017-11-16-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-declares-that-americans-have-no-role-in-making-their-own-country-only-dreamers-count-from-now-on.html)

And nothing like filling the chambers in Congress with Dreamers,

Kamala Harris Puts Americans SECOND, Pushes Bill to Let DREAMers Work In Congress
by John Salvatore on April 4, 2019

https://storywarrant.com/2019/04/04/kamala-harris-puts-americans-second-pushes-bill-to-let-dreamers-work-in-congress/ (https://storywarrant.com/2019/04/04/kamala-harris-puts-americans-second-pushes-bill-to-let-dreamers-work-in-congress/)


Trump has always had a soft heart for illegal immigrants

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-always-had-a-soft-heart-for-illegal-immigrants/2016/12/12/e68f0544-c083-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html?utm_term=.37cf3b0f8662 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-always-had-a-soft-heart-for-illegal-immigrants/2016/12/12/e68f0544-c083-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html?utm_term=.37cf3b0f8662)

Yes it is Washington Post with quotes from Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Bigun on May 23, 2019, 08:06:04 pm
Hmmm..... I sense a disturbance in The Force.      :laugh:

Some of us live in the real world as opposed to the one composed of cartoon characters and movie lines you obviously reside in.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 08:12:45 pm
Hmmm..... I sense a disturbance in The Force.      :laugh:


The Art of the Deal was that Donald got people to believe he was for the American worker when he never was.  He never was.  Some of us got it and others didn't.  He has always been for illegal immigration.  Now he has allowed so many to come that its out of control.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 08:36:42 pm
Sold out!

Dems Worried Trump Support Among Latinos Not Falling

Democrats are reportedly extremely worried that President Donald Trump’s support among Latinos is not falling ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

Even if the methodology of a PBS poll that had Trump’s approval rating with Hispanics at 50% was faulty and an outlier, Trump’s support among Latinos has remained steady even as the English-language establishment media and the Spanish-language press have spent two years demonizing Trump as an anti-Hispanic racist.

According to a Tuesday Politico report, Trump’s “dire rhetoric about immigration seems to have done little damage to his modest — but not insignificant — support among Hispanics.” The outlet pointed out that “Trump’s support among Latinos and Hispanics in three other polls taken in January — 18 percent in a ABC/Washington Post survey, 30 percent in a The Economist/YouGov one, and 35 percent in poll from Quinnipiac University — produced an average of 27.6 percent,” which “roughly matches the 29 percent of the Hispanic vote Trump carried in the 2016 presidential election, an improvement of two percentage points over Mitt Romney’s performance with those voters four years earlier.”


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/30/dems-worried-trump-support-among-latinos-not-falling/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/30/dems-worried-trump-support-among-latinos-not-falling/)

Could it be because we are seeing the highest level of illegal immigration ever?
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 08:46:49 pm

The Art of the Deal was that Donald got people to believe he was for the American worker when he never was.  He never was.  Some of us got it and others didn't.  He has always been for illegal immigration.  Now he has allowed so many to come that its out of control.

Jesus H. Christ!

WTF does this have to do Donald Trump?   And you're FOS that Donald Trump is for illegal immigration.

My conversation was with somebody regarding my personal soft-spot for obvious foreigners beaming with grateful, brotherly smiles.



@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun

PS:  I live in the real world. 

That's why I told you Donald Trump was going to be President the day he descended on that escalator with his wife.

You're the one who lived in a fantasy for over a year after the election...till the lights went on for you.    :laugh:

This conversation is over.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 23, 2019, 09:15:27 pm
Jesus H. Christ!

WTF does this have to do Donald Trump?   And you're FOS that Donald Trump is for illegal immigration.

My conversation was with somebody regarding my personal soft-spot for obvious foreigners beaming with grateful, brotherly smiles.

@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun     

It was a personal conversation and I apologize @DCPatriot for having it in the open forum.  There is no way @Chosen Daughter or anyone else could have the depth and scope of understanding our years of friendship have brought and our conversation reflected.

You, sir, are a patriot and on the right side.  I'd gladly and proudly share a foxhole with you in any place at any time.

Again, I'm sorry ... I should have known better.

Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 23, 2019, 09:16:54 pm

The Art of the Deal was that Donald got people to believe he was for the American worker when he never was.  He never was.  Some of us got it and others didn't.  He has always been for illegal immigration.  Now he has allowed so many to come that its out of control.

If this is what you truly think.....then you known nothing, absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 09:22:25 pm
It was a personal conversation and I apologize @DCPatriot for having it in the open forum.  There is no way @Chosen Daughter or anyone else could have the depth and scope of understanding our years of friendship have brought and our conversation reflected.

You, sir, are a patriot and on the right side.  I'd gladly and proudly share a foxhole with you in any place at any time.

Again, I'm sorry ... I should have known better.

You could never have a reason to apologize to me, @Right_in_Virginia

You did nothing wrong.   I had noticed that you had challenged my POV early on in the thread...LOL

The last time that happened was at least ten years ago regarding the appropriate closeness of the USA/Israel relationship.   

Knew you had a helluva backbone there.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: libertybele on May 23, 2019, 09:27:07 pm

The Art of the Deal was that Donald got people to believe he was for the American worker when he never was.  He never was.  Some of us got it and others didn't.  He has always been for illegal immigration.  Now he has allowed so many to come that its out of control.

Oh, I believe he is for the American worker as well as expanding the workforce for the economy/jobs/corporations that he still wants to create.  It's coming if he gets re-elected.

The only way to control the workforce that he is letting in, is to grant asylum and amnesty and work visas.  New infrastructure projects will allow many to work for years. More jobs will be created because of the new 'trade deal' with Mexico and Canada.

Quite surprised though actually, that he and Nancy didn't quite see eye to eye over the infrastructure negotiations.  Obviously, it wasn't to Trump's liking; he not going to do anything that's not going to make him a boat load of money.  On this, my hunch is he'll out maneuver Nancy.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 23, 2019, 09:27:11 pm
If this is what you truly think.....then you known nothing, absolutely nothing.


What has he done besides a few miles here and there of "fencing"?  Swiss cheese border?  I guess I could have worded it more accurately.  He wanted the good "illegal immigrants" to go out so he could bring them back in.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 23, 2019, 09:39:20 pm

What has he done besides a few miles here and there of "fencing"? 

The wall being built is the only dot on your page.  You need to add all the dots from Congressional and Judicial obstruction and connect them.  Without these your postings are incomplete---or knowingly dishonest. 

Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 23, 2019, 09:40:08 pm
That was a helluva debate @DCPatriot   :beer:
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: DCPatriot on May 23, 2019, 09:49:26 pm
That was a helluva debate @DCPatriot   :beer:

@Right_in_Virginia

A classic.  Went on for days.

It's what I mean what I say to others here. That they can't even begin to know you.....if all they've got to base it on is Donald Trump.   :beer:

Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: libertybele on May 23, 2019, 09:56:35 pm
The wall being buitlt is the only dot on your page.  You need to add all the dots from Congressional and Judicial obstruction and connect them.  Without these your postings are incomplete---or knowingly dishonest.

The wall NOT being built is truly the issue.  The wall IS the issue that launched his campaign and earned him the oval office.  So yes, that IS the issue as he hasn't done much. Rebuilding/repairing the wall, hardly counts as new miles of fencing.  You can sit and blame this all on congressional and judicial obstruction all you want, but where the heck was the push when he had the full majority?  He didn't push, because that 's truly not what he wants.  I do think the massive invasion has caught him by surprise ... but hey ... don't worry he's given Mexico a full year to assist with the crisis.  So what if he allows another several hundred thousand in, right?  They represent the population of the newly transformed America and eventual future DEM votes.  He could are less.  He'll be long gone after 2024.

Playing the blame game doesn't work anymore.  The President has to assume some responsibility here and so far, he hasn't.  He continues to blame this all on the DEMS, but that just plain isn't true. His speech on legal immigration spoke volumes; he hasn't elaborated lately on how he's going to resolve the issue of NO wall, amnesty and asylum; the only thing he's offered is to blame the DEMS.  Sort of like Bammy saying after four years, he needed more time to complete his agenda.  Trump is no different.
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Post by: jafo2010 on May 26, 2019, 05:34:10 pm
President Trump has had his hands tied since he took office.  If it is not Congress undermining him, it is the stinking liberal and extremely political judges.  Despite all that, he has achieved more than any president in my mind since Reagan. 

His failure that may well cost him his election was not going after HR Clinton.  Both Clintons actually.  They both deserve the Rosenberg treatment for the Uranium One deal, along with all the other traitors that pulled that off.

And with the perps involved in the coup on President Trump, they too deserve to be indicted, convicted, and receive the most extreme punishment for their crimes.  But I doubt they will get indicted, let alone convicted.

I believe justice no longer exists in this country.  I see no evidence of it.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 26, 2019, 07:39:33 pm
President Trump has had his hands tied since he took office.  If it is not Congress undermining him, it is the stinking liberal and extremely political judges.  Despite all that, he has achieved more than any president in my mind since Reagan. 

His failure that may well cost him his election was not going after HR Clinton.  Both Clintons actually.  They both deserve the Rosenberg treatment for the Uranium One deal, along with all the other traitors that pulled that off.

And with the perps involved in the coup on President Trump, they too deserve to be indicted, convicted, and receive the most extreme punishment for their crimes.  But I doubt they will get indicted, let alone convicted.

I believe justice no longer exists in this country.  I see no evidence of it.


For the reason of two recent changes that Trump has made I can conceed that he has done more, and that is if they actualy become fully implemented.  A law that is already on the books to make sponsors responsible for shouldering the costs of the illegal instead of the government.  The other is the HUD decision to not give housing to illegal immigrants.  There are plenty of Americans on the waiting list for housing. 


The wall I can't give credit.  Obama made a wall too.  Some parts were only those short little Bollard fencing that stops cars from entering.  The same goes for Trumps wall its worthless. Frankly I don't care about the wall anymore.  Trump made it a waste of money when he signed the legislation that allows local government to opt out.  Immigrants know everything.  If a local government is going to opt out of a wall they most certainly will be a welcoming door.   And I bet that everyone knows that the increase in illegal immigration is because rhetoric doesn't work.  These people watch whats going on here as much as we do.  I am 100% sure that the talk in Central America is go now the Border Patrol is no longer in control.  I am also certain that they know every place on the border which is the best place to cross.  Also almost certain they know every non profit charity that will welcome them.  Give them a lawyer.  Have people help them fill out welfare forms etc. etc. 


Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 26, 2019, 10:04:03 pm
You know something else that really get me?  Its that Seniors are afraid to retire because they know Medicaid for them will not cover their costs.  They need supplemental health care.  These are people who paid their taxes and worked all of their lives.  Yet,...immigrants come demanding free everything.  Feeling like its owed to them.  Its the first thing they do on American soil and taxpayer funded charity groups help them.   


Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Sanguine on May 26, 2019, 10:33:06 pm
You know something else that really get me?  Its that Seniors are afraid to retire because they know Medicaid for them will not cover their costs.  They need supplemental health care.  These are people who paid their taxes and worked all of their lives.  Yet,...immigrants come demanding free everything.  Feeling like its owed to them.  Its the first thing they do on American soil and taxpayer funded charity groups help them.

Medicaid?  I think you may mean Medicare?  And, apparently it pays for a lot.  Whereas, my super-duper insurance has a $7,500 out of pocket, plus deductible, co-pays, and medicine costs. 
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 27, 2019, 04:53:45 am
Medicaid?  I think you may mean Medicare?  And, apparently it pays for a lot.  Whereas, my super-duper insurance has a $7,500 out of pocket, plus deductible, co-pays, and medicine costs.


You are right that is what I meant and my insurance is the same.  I don't use it because I never get above the deductible.  Never want to have any images or expensive tests because I know it is coming directly out of pocket.  I don't know from experience but people have told me that they have to supplement Medicare.



Do I Need a Medicare Supplement?
August 23, 2017 By Danielle Kunkle Roberts

Are Medicare Supplements worth the cost?

Recently one of our attendees on our New to Medicare webinar asked this:

“Is there any downside to having no supplemental coverage? Is Medigap necessary? What are the risks if I choose to have just Medicare Parts A, B, and D?”
You might be wondering this yourself. Are Medicare supplements worth it?

I understand why you ask.  When Americans reach retirement age and start their Medicare coverage, many are shocked to realize that Medicare is not free. If you didn’t know to save for Medicare Part B premiums during your retirement, you may find that money is tight.

However, going with just Original Medicare and no supplemental coverage is not wise.

The gaps in Medicare are substantial, leaving you to pay for expensive deductibles and 20% of all your outpatient coverage. If you don’t have a Medicare Supplement plan, often referred to as Medigap coverage, or a Medicare Advantage Plan, you’ll have to come up with the difference yourself.

So are Medicare supplement plans worth it? Yes, they are. Let’s look at how they can help you.


https://boomerbenefits.com/need-medicare-supplement/

What I am saying is welfare pays it all.  I know because when my husband was layed off from his job of 32 years my children were on the State insurance.  Great insurance.  Everything paid.  And we were only on it for a short time.  And it wasn't free.  We paid a low monthly premium
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: dancer on May 27, 2019, 06:56:33 am
Medicaid?  I think you may mean Medicare?  And, apparently it pays for a lot.  Whereas, my super-duper insurance has a $7,500 out of pocket, plus deductible, co-pays, and medicine costs.

Medicare pays for 80% of the hospital stay.   Seniors pay monthly for supplemental insurance that pays for doctors, specialists and meds, and it's a co-pay.   I don't think most realize what Medicare acually is and what it covers.   It is disappointing to have paid in all your life to find out that it actually covers so little.
 

Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 27, 2019, 04:34:49 pm
Medicare pays for 80% of the hospital stay.   Seniors pay monthly for supplemental insurance that pays for doctors, specialists and meds, and it's a co-pay.   I don't think most realize what Medicare acually is and what it covers.   It is disappointing to have paid in all your life to find out that it actually covers so little.
 


Its a disgrace how we can give 100% healthcare to illegal immigrants but make our seniors pay for crappy insurance.  And like I said I applaud trump on this move but it wasn't enforced before and we will have to see.  They have the ability to stop it on people already here also.  Why wouldn't they?  Probably 500,000 have come in the last few month and are sucking up all the free bennies.  While Americans can't even pay for their medical plans.  Veterans too.  What a disgrace.


Veteran health care:


https://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-care/va-health-care-cost-and-copayments.html (https://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-care/va-health-care-cost-and-copayments.html)
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 27, 2019, 04:38:11 pm
Medicare pays for 80% of the hospital stay.   Seniors pay monthly for supplemental insurance that pays for doctors, specialists and meds, and it's a co-pay.   I don't think most realize what Medicare acually is and what it covers.   It is disappointing to have paid in all your life to find out that it actually covers so little.
 



Very true.  Medicare is not really what it’s sold as to people. 
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 27, 2019, 05:08:44 pm
Commentary: Are There Any Limits to Illegal Immigration? At All?

by Victor Davis Hanson
 
The U.S.-Mexican border is essentially wide open.

Why? Because there is a general expectation in Mexico and Latin America that American immigration law is unenforced. Or it is so bizarre that simple illegal entry almost always ensures temporary legal residence, pending an asylum hearing.

A scheduled asylum hearing, in turn, is seen by border crossers as a mere formality to be ignored. The popular perception on the border, then, is to stick one foot illegally onto U.S. soil, and, presto, win permanent residence for you and any family members who wish to follow.

In an age of 500 sanctuary city and county jurisdictions, few illegal aliens believe they will ever be deported permanently, even if they have been apprehended committing serious crimes. There is also a general perception among would-be illegal entrants that prominent Democrats and progressives welcome their massive influxes as useful and will do their best to ensure illegal immigration continues unabated.

There is also the assumption that the greater the chaos at the border, the less likely Congress will take bipartisan action to end it. After all, 2020 is an election year and progressives are in no mood to hand Trump the semblance of a legislative victory. This fact is also known to would-be border crossers.

Illegal alien families sense that they are vital to progressive agendas of fundamentally transforming the country by importing first-generation, loyal constituents – a sentiment that is slowly replacing the prior idea of mostly young men coming to work off the books. In an increasingly tribal America, they expect on arrival to be recalibrated instantly from Mexican nationals without any experience of America into “Latinos” and “Hispanics” with historical grievances against the majority population of United States, to be remedied by reparatory hiring and admission, and facilitated by ethnic operatives.

Some polls in the past have suggested that a third of Mexico’s population would immigrate to the United States if possible. The percentages of would-be immigrants from Central America are likely to be even higher. In theory, 50 million could cross the border in the next two decades, which poses the question: what are the theoretical limits on illegal immigration?...….


http://tennesseestar.com/2019/04/16/commentary-are-there-any-limits-to-illegal-immigration-at-all/ (http://tennesseestar.com/2019/04/16/commentary-are-there-any-limits-to-illegal-immigration-at-all/)

Article goes on to show how this invasion is changing America. (not for the better)  Its as if we are letting them create a new Central American country in the US.  Which brings all the misery that they say they are escaping from.

So while I said Trump has done more, he has also made the situation much worse with the rhetoric which allowed this invasion.  And the two things which I mention are just talk until it is actually put into practice.  So as it stands right now Trump has made our country worse.  Economy will take a back seat once people realize that they can no longer escape the new country within our own country.  The crime.  The change in culture.  The cost.  And at the record rate these people are coming should make people question why would the President have signed a bill to allow local governments to opt out of border security?  Why would he have allowed children (mostly young adults) who have probably already been involved in gang violence in their own countries to be sponsored by people here illegally?

Trump has done immense damage.  If he doesn't change rhetoric into action soon we will be living in a Central American country.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 27, 2019, 05:19:11 pm
Eye opening statistics about how Trump allowing illegal immigrants to sponsor UAC's has affected this country.  Fact is people here illegally are paying smugglers to bring these UAC's here.  Crime after crime being rewarded in our country.

Unaccompanied children entering U.S. are usually released into custody of illegal immigrants already here
May 2, 2019 by Sharyl Attkisson 2 Comments

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/05/unaccompanied-children-entering-u-s-are-usually-released-into-custody-of-illegal-immigrants-already-here/ (https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/05/unaccompanied-children-entering-u-s-are-usually-released-into-custody-of-illegal-immigrants-already-here/)

Trump has damaged this country by UAC's to be sponsored by illegal immigrants in this country.  Its a total scam.  A crime within another crime.  Illegal immigrans paying human smugglers to bring these UAC's.



MS-13 members game U.S. immigration system by claiming they're underage

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, April 26, 2018

MS-13 is paying smugglers to coach gang members on how to game the U.S. immigration system, teaching underage members to claim UAC status — and telling those over 18 to lie and claim they are underage — to try to gain quick, easy access to the U.S., government officials said Thursday.

Rep. Peter T. King, a New York Republican, said his district is such a hotbed of MS-13 activity that authorities are “right now digging for bodies within a mile of my house.” He said some families are forced to facilitate gang members’ arrivals and are pressured by gangs to become sponsors and claim the children when they arrive.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen confirmed the pipeline.

“They recruit young children, they train them how to be smuggled across our border, how to then join up with gang members in the United States,” she told Congress.

The government this week detailed such a case from this month in Arizona, where Border Patrol agents nabbed an 18-year-old from El Salvador. He first claimed to be underage to try to claim UAC status. Under questioning, he acknowledged he was an adult and was part of MS-13 — though he insisted he was trying to leave the gang.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/26/ms-13-gang-members-claim-theyre-underage-gain-acce/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/26/ms-13-gang-members-claim-theyre-underage-gain-acce/)

Trump has done more alright.  ( to damage the country and encourage anarchy)  A person would have to ask are we stupid?  Or is all this happening with the blessing of our government?  Is it any wonder that Kirstjen Nielson was fired?  Perhaps she knew too much that they don't want the American people to find out.  Things that show how incompetent our government is.  Starting from the top.
Title: Re: Where Do We Escape for Our Asylum? Ep 416
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 27, 2019, 06:14:21 pm
So also the two changes that I mentioned that would benefit the country are dependent on what?  What is required to get this rolling?  Passage of the new immigration bill?  What comes first?  More HB Visa's or actually implementing common sense actions to save this country?  Where do they fit in?  The one is already law and should come into practice immediately for all illegal aliens sponsored here.