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State Chapters => State Politics/Government => Topic started by: mountaineer on September 20, 2023, 12:20:53 pm
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Abridged the title a bit to fit it all in.
OREGON PROPOSITION 13 MORPHS INTO INITIATIVE PETITION 3, GAINS MOMENTUM HEADING TOWARD 2024 VOTE
By Jaclyn Krymowski
Protect The Harvest
Oregon animal rights extremists are working overtime collecting signatures this summer, and beyond, to ensure Initiative Petition 3 (IP 3) is on the ballot in November 2024. IP 3 is a new version of Oregon Proposition 13 (IP 13), which failed to secure the 112,020 signatures required to be placed on the November 2022 ballot. Disguised as so-called humane treatment for animals, both initiatives reflect extremist desires to ban, or severely curtail, hunting, fishing, animal agriculture, pet ownership, and overall human interaction with animals.
In June 2023, the Oregon Hunters Association (OHA) reported the extremists behind “Yes on IP 3” received certification for ballot language, meaning they can begin their quest to collect the required 112,020 signatures by July 8, 2024, which would qualify the initiative for inclusion on the November 2024 ballot. ...
The goal of this proposition is to make it illegal to use animals for food, fiber, or simply as companions. Proven farm and ranch animal husbandry and care practices such as artificial insemination, standard training methods, and established humane animal treatment would be illegal. This would essentially make farmers, ranchers, and pet owners criminals, resulting in fines and/or imprisonment.
IP 3 will be detrimental to Oregon families, hunters, anglers, farmers, ranchers, breeders and animals. ...
If IP 3 is placed on the November 2024 ballot, and is passed into law, rights and liberties for anyone owning an animal, using an animal, hunting or fishing, could be altered indefinitely. Non-compliance could result in criminal prosecution of pet owners, farmers, ranchers and others who have animals. The language in the ballot also includes service and companion animals. ...
More at Protect the Harvest (https://protecttheharvest.com/news/oregon-proposition-13-morphs-into-initiative-petition-3-gains-momentum-heading-toward-2024-vote/)
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Absolute insanity. 9999hair out0000
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:facepalm2:
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Does that include cockroaches which is the taxonomical description of Oregon animal rights activist?
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Related (perhaps):
Oregon could lose a congressional seat even if it doesn't let eastern Oregon's half a district join Idaho. ...
https://twitter.com/GreaterIdaho/status/1704497489095631194
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Related (perhaps):
Oregon could lose a congressional seat even if it doesn't let eastern Oregon's half a district join Idaho. ...
https://twitter.com/GreaterIdaho/status/1704497489095631194
Hey California losing 5 seats would be great, and I say that as a Californian.
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Smokin' Joe replied (wisely):
"Absolute insanity"
It's Oregon.
Don't count 'em out.
The voters there may be "insane enough" to actually pass this.
My prediction is that, even if it fails, it will still be "close"...
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That sound you here are woke liberal cat ladies everywhere banshee screeching.
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That sound you here are woke liberal cat ladies everywhere banshee screeching.
I hope they get footage of the seizures. :cool:
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This is NOT about controlling animals.
It is about controlling humans.
Animals are just the handy "tool".
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I assume this would ban the sale of animal products, from eggs to milk to steaks, for human consumption. Every grocery, every restaurant now vegan. Groovy.
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Never going to happen. Everybody outside of Portland, to include most suburbs hunts and fishes, and the whole state is an ag state.
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Never going to happen. Everybody outside of Portland, to include most suburbs hunts and fishes, and the whole state is an ag state.
They might pass it.
Enforcing it would be tough, and there could be unforeseen consequences. (as usual)
'I just has to release my pet: Hyena, viper, ape, panther....etc.' (in town of course)
Pull up a stump, it could be one hell of a show.
:2popcorn:
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They might pass it.
Enforcing it would be tough, and there could be unforeseen consequences. (as usual)
'I just has to release my pet: Hyena, viper, ape, panther....etc.' (in town of course)
Pull up a stump, it could be one hell of a show.
:2popcorn:
Yeah... any sheriff or state officer that tried to enforce that crap would be hung from a lightpost pretty dang quick. I don't think they can mess with them high desert boys.
You'd be a fool to try.
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Yeah... any sheriff or state officer that tried to enforce that crap would be hung from a lightpost pretty dang quick. I don't think they can mess with them high desert boys.
You'd be a fool to try.
I haven't been there, but if it looks like a bit of Western Idaho, I'd wager there are lots of nooks and crannies things could fall into. :whistle:
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I haven't been there, but if it looks like a bit of Western Idaho, I'd wager there are lots of nooks and crannies things could fall into. :whistle:
Folks in that high desert brewed shine for Portland via Spokane... Nuff said . happy77
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Never going to happen. Everybody outside of Portland, to include most suburbs hunts and fishes, and the whole state is an ag state.
Oregon is a major dairy state. Even many Portlandians and Eugenians like their cheese, sour cream, yogurt, and other milk products.
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Poor Oregon, the big urban cities have been Californicated
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Oregon is a major dairy state. Even many Portlandians and Eugenians like their cheese, sour cream, yogurt, and other milk products.
Even in my little W.Va. town, we can purchase Tillamook dairy products (cheese, ice cream, etc.), which amazes me.
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... IP 3 is a new version of Oregon Proposition 13 (IP 13), which failed to secure the 112,020 signatures required to be placed on the November 2022 ballot. ...
Maybe the vegans and Enviros are less than well organized, but failing to get enough signatures to put the previous version of this stupidity on the 2022 ballot suggests that it would be very likely to get buried if it made the 2023 ballot.
The measure would ban raising sheep for wool. It would also ban the very trendy alpaca wool. I wonder if it would ban beekeeping. The obvious side of beekeeping is honey production, very trendy. The other side is that beekeepers rent out their hives to certain types of farmers to pollinate their crops. If beekeeping is banned, it's not just honey production that would be affected.
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I hope they get footage of the seizures. :cool:
:thumbsup:
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Maybe the vegans and Enviros are less than well organized, but failing to get enough signatures to put the previous version of this stupidity on the 2022 ballot suggests that it would be very likely to get buried if it made the 2023 ballot.
The measure would ban raising sheep for wool. It would also ban the very trendy alpaca wool. I wonder if it would ban beekeeping. The obvious side of beekeeping is honey production, very trendy. The other side is that beekeepers rent out their hives to certain types of farmers to pollinate their crops. If beekeeping is banned, it's not just honey production that would be affected.
A large local bee operation here in N. FL ships there bee's to Cali every year to pollinate the Almond farms.
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A large local bee operation here in N. FL ships there bee's to Cali every year to pollinate the Almond farms.
I grew up in a farming county in CA's Central Valley. My Dad grew row crops and grain, but there are also many almond and walnut orchards in the county. Several rural towns combine to host an annual Almond Festival.
IIRC, one year my Dad raised alfalfa for seed, and he rented some hives to pollinate the alfalfa.
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The pro-Prop. 13 (now called IP3) fascists explain on their website (https://www.yesonip3.org/about):
These statutes prohibit the intentional injury or killing of an animal (abuse), the withholding of care from an animal or the injurious tethering of an animal (neglect), and the sexual contact of an animal’s mouth, anus, or genitals (sexual assault), but many animals are not currently protected under these laws due to the numerous exemptions included. ...
If passed, IP3 would remove the exemption for hunting, fishing, and trapping from our cruelty laws, meaning that any practice that involves the intentional injury of an animal would be criminalized. Although the practice of seeking, pursuing, and in some cases even capturing an animal would still be legally protected, the practice of killing animals would no longer be protected. ...
IP3 does not prohibit a rancher from strictly raising and caring for bovines or any other animal. It would, however, require that the rancher does not abuse, neglect, or sexually assault the animals under their care, meaning that the animals could not be killed or forcibly impregnated. ...
To provide some clarity, IP3 would not ban the sale of meat, leather, or fur. This is not because our campaign supports animal product consumption, but because we are focused specifically on criminalizing the practice of killing animals. Once successful in Oregon, we hope to bring similar initiatives to every state until the killing of animals is against the law nationwide. ...
Oh, please. Sexual contact? That's just a smoke screen so people don't notice that the "intentional killing" language would prohibit the production of meat and eggs.
Apparently, meat, leather and fur would have to be produced (through the killing of animals) outside of Oregon. Yeah, right.
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Hard to believe that Reagan was from CA. Now it seems the entire left coast has descended into socialist hell.
What happened? Is this all the mid to late '60's hippies who grew up? Love to know, how what used to be near paradise in our country, went to hell
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Hard to believe that Reagan was from CA. Now it seems the entire left coast has descended into socialist hell.
What happened? Is this all the mid to late '60's hippies who grew up? Love to know, how what used to be near paradise in our country, went to hell
@catfish1957
VERY nice weather,and everything for free and it cost nobody nothing,so there was no real need to work. You could surf,or just lay on the beach all day and ogle the hippie chicks. Or guys,and then be rested up to party down all night.
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So what will happen to the animals at the shelters? Ship them off to other shelters in different states or are they going to put these animals down?
I can't imagine pet food companies like Hills, Purina, etc being happy with this. They will loose a lot of money if no one in this state buys pet food.
888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty
(This crazy cat lady is crying)
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So what will happen to the animals at the shelters? Ship them off to other shelters in different states or are they going to put these animals down?
I can't imagine pet food companies like Hills, Purina, etc being happy with this. They will loose a lot of money if no one in this state buys pet food.
888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty 888cryingkitty
(This crazy cat lady is crying)
@Gefn
I can't imagine a cop with balls large enough to come to my house to confiscate my pets.
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I really hope the woke zombies in the cities vote for and pass it. It's the kind of thing that ticks EVERYBODY off, political and non-political alike.
This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that.
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Oregon is a major dairy state. Even many Portlandians and Eugenians like their cheese, sour cream, yogurt, and other milk products.
That's right too... Eugene was a nice blue-collar town last I was there.
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I really hope the woke zombies in the cities vote for and pass it. It's the kind of thing that ticks EVERYBODY off, political and non-political alike.
This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that.
This will pass and won't be enforced, be ignored, or maybe repealed outright. These little idiot laws are designed to get some militant votes only.
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Looks like they'll be a signicant increase in animal euthanasia in Oregon's future ... so many homeless, starving, sick animals ... no pet "ownership" - no legal basis for required feeding, shelter, and medical care.
If there's no pet "ownership", who's legally and financially responsible for the rabid starving dog that will be eating neighborhood children?
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If I owned my dog, my dog would be picking up MY poop. My dog owns me. She does a great job taking care of me.
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A pretty good example of how the left just keeps moving father left ...and then complains about how extreme everyone else is.
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@Gefn
I can't imagine a cop with balls large enough to come to my house to confiscate my pets.
If my kitties were still alive, they would have to take them out of my cold dead hands. @sneakypete
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I really hope the woke zombies in the cities vote for and pass it. It's the kind of thing that ticks EVERYBODY off, political and non-political alike.
This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that.
:thumbsup:
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Vulcan observes (astutely):
"This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that."
Once "turned", how will the people "turn things back to normal" ??
(a serious question with serious answers expected)
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Vulcan observes (astutely):
"This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that."
Once "turned", how will the people "turn things back to normal" ??
(a serious question with serious answers expected)
It could be as simple as voting, or as ugly as blood.
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That's right too... Eugene was a nice blue-collar town last I was there.
Home of the Communist indoctrination center known as U of O.
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The pro-Prop. 13 (now called IP3) fascists explain on their website (https://www.yesonip3.org/about):Oh, please. Sexual contact? That's just a smoke screen so people don't notice that the "intentional killing" language would prohibit the production of meat and eggs.
Apparently, meat, leather and fur would have to be produced (through the killing of animals) outside of Oregon. Yeah, right.
Eggs? So you would be prohibited from aborting a chicken, but the same twits demand aborting humans?
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It could be as simple as voting, or as ugly as blood.
Did they count humans as "animals"?
(I know, other laws apply.)
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If a government wants my kittehs, they should get right with Jesus before they come to my house.
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I see a future in State Line Meat Packing operations...
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Vulcan observes (astutely):
"This is what I call 'The Turn'. Leftists start out all peace, love, harmony, hippie vibes, and chanting and meditation in organic cotton robes, then take a hard u-turn into Commie totalitarianism, of which this proposal is exactly that."
Once "turned", how will the people "turn things back to normal" ??
(a serious question with serious answers expected)
@Fishrrman
Generally,it starts out with pubic hangings,but they don't usually last too long because the ones that aren't hanged the first day or two have already fled across a border and are living as refugees.