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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: mystery-ak on March 11, 2021, 02:23:47 pm
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March 11, 2021
How safe are the COVID vaccines?
By Randall Hoven
I’ll bet you haven’t heard this: more congenital anomalies/birth defects and emergency room visits were reported after getting a COVID vaccine in the U.S. than after any of the other 93 vaccine types in the CDC’s VAERS database. And more deaths than 92 other vaccine types.
Here is how COVID vaccines rank among 94 vaccine types in terms of reported post-vaccine adverse effects.
Congenital anomaly/birth defect: 1.
Emergency room: 1.
Death: 2.
Life threatening: 5.
“Serious†adverse effects: 7.
Hospitalized: 10.
Permanent disability: 12.
Total adverse effects: 15.
Here, for example, is the screen shot of the CDC’s sorted list for the adverse effect of congenital anomaly/birth defect.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/03/how_safe_are_the_covid_vaccines.html
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Italy, Norway and Denmark stop giving out AstraZeneca jabs over blood clot fears despite EU and UK regulators saying there is NO link
A woman in Austria died from a blood clot shortly after an AstraZeneca jab
Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg have halted use of the batch
Denmark, Norway and Iceland went further, suspending all AstraZeneca doses
Italy paused the rollout of a different batch of the vaccines over blood clot fears
EU's medical regulator said there is no clear link between clots and the jabs
By Ross Ibbetson and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline
Published: 05:20 EST, 11 March 2021 | Updated: 11:01 EST, 11 March 2021
Story at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350283/Denmark-suspends-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effect-fears.html)
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The question shouldn't be 'How safe', but rather 'How necessary'. There is no reason whatsoever that someone who has survived Covid should be getting a vaccine. Yet the CDC keeps pushing it.
Maybe if the CDC would stop lying to the American people, maybe then would more people be willing to take it. But the fact that they continue to lie screams to me that nothing they say is to be trusted.
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The question shouldn't be 'How safe', but rather 'How necessary'. There is no reason whatsoever that someone who has survived Covid should be getting a vaccine. Yet the CDC keeps pushing it.
Maybe if the CDC would stop lying to the American people, maybe then would more people be willing to take it. But the fact that they continue to lie screams to me that nothing they say is to be trusted.
A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.
What's the actual point of this?
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For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine.
They were lied to. NIH has already released data demonstrating the long-lasting effectiveness of the body's ability to fight off the disease after recovery.
What's the actual point of this?
That is the question I want answered. Truthfully answered.
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So out of ~95 million vaccine does given, 37 cases of bad reaction? Am I reading that correctly?
That would be 0.00004% reaction rate.
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A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.
What's the actual point of this?
@mountaineer
I talked to a guy last week that had had COVID in November. They suggested he get the shot recently. He said he got really ill almost flu like after the shot. Apparently people that have had COVID end up having a really bad reaction to the vaccine.
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@mountaineer
I talked to a guy last week that had had COVID in November. They suggested he get the shot recently. He said he got really ill almost flu like after the shot. Apparently people that have had COVID end up having a really bad reaction to the vaccine.
My GP advised that I not get vaccinated for three months, as a strong reaction would be likely. She did not, however, advise that I do get vaccinated. My thinking at present is to be tested for antibodies come that time. If I have them in significant degree vaccination would be pointless.
I've also heard that people who received Lilly's or Regeneron's mab treatments should not be vaccinated for a while.
At present, we "know":
* Antibodies persist in people who have recovered for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;
* Antibodies persist in people who have been vaccinated for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;
* Antibodies persist in people who have received a mab treatment for longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US;
* There is much we don't know, due to how long SARS-CoV-2 has been in circulation in the US (14-16 months) and because immunity processes are being examined in greater depth than in the past.
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A couple from our church in their 70s had Covid and recovered without incident. For reasons not at all clear, they were told their immunity "expired" after three months and they had to have the vaccine. They got it. After the second shot two days ago, the husband reported that his arm hurt a lot and that his wife felt so terrible she spent all of yesterday in bed.
What's the actual point of this?
Valid question.
What stats aren't being reported? How many people are actually dying from the vaccines?? I'd say there are many more dying and many more are having severe adverse side effects then is being reported or acknowledged to the public.
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447
https://www.kmvt.com/2021/03/11/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered/
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Congenital anomalies? The vaccines have not been available to child bearing age women nearly long enough for "congenital anomalies" to appear in any substantial number. This sounds like anti-vaxxer crackpottery.
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For some people, the second dose in a COVID-19 vaccination series is causing a stronger reaction and more side effects than the initial dose. That was also true during the clinical trials.
This may be a concern not only for those experiencing side effects, but also those who are worried a COVID-19 vaccine isn't working because they didn't have a reaction.
Dr. Gregory Poland, an infectious diseases expert and head of Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group, says everybody is different. He says the first dose teaches your body to recognize the virus and the second vaccine is kicking the body's system into gear.
"It's as if you've started a cold car, with the first dose," says Dr. Poland. "The car is idling. Then you give it that second dose, and because the car has warmed up, you can put the pedal to the metal and go." But everybody is going to respond differently.
"Each of our bodies releases different amounts of chemicals, or immune signals. One body might release more than what's needed, causing more of a response, and someone else's body might release exactly the right amount. It's what we've called the 'Goldilocks phenomenon.' Not too much, not too little, but just right." ...
Mayo Clinic, Feb. 16, 2021 (https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/side-effects-or-lack-of-side-effects-after-being-vaccinated-for-covid-19/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=sm&utm_content=post&utm_campaign=mayoclinic&geo=national&placementsite=enterprise&mc_id=us&cauid=100503&linkId=111871091)
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I noticed this morning in church that the husband of the couple I referenced above - both of whom had Covid, recovered, were vaccinated and experienced side effects (hers much worse than his) - still wears a mask. :thud:
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The doctor on the following video thinks they will prove extremely deadly.
Listen to this doc and you decide.
https://www.brighteon.com/43a197d1-6f88-49f3-8eca-6765c7b39145
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The doctor on the following video thinks they will prove extremely deadly.
Listen to this doc and you decide.
https://www.brighteon.com/43a197d1-6f88-49f3-8eca-6765c7b39145
Interesting. I have already decided I will not get the shot. That information only tends to reinforce that decision. To each their own, but I see little to gain in risking potentially serious complications over a shot for a disease that has a 99.9% survival rate. Yes, you might well get sick, but there are (although those pushing the shot and that concept from day one would disagree) treatments which I know have worked, and I will rely on those instead should the need arise.
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I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday. No reaction at all. Not even soreness in the arm.
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I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday. No reaction at all. Not even soreness in the arm.
It's the second shot that can cause unpleasant side effects, I've heard from people who got it.
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It's the second shot that can cause unpleasant side effects, I've heard from people who got it.
Both my parents and my oldest daughter have had both. My daughter was the only one that had mild discomfort with the second shot.
Growing up, she was the one that would cry if she did not get a band aid for the slightest scratch.
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Then I hope you're more fortunate than my friend who had to spend the following day in bed with chills and nausea, or the friend of a friend who reported waking up freezing, her legs were heavy and hurting, "felt like I was going to get sick," with headache, sweating and racing heartbeat. She said she felt better after about nine hours, though, so I'm sure it's all good.
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I've been paying attention to those I know who have been getting the vaccine (again, I have the benefit of being about as low-risk as it gets and in the back of the line). So far I've seen no major red flags that would make me say "no way." Those who got the Moderna shot seem to be having the strongest side effects; J&J recipients have generally had virtually none.
I would be wary if the AstraZeneca vaccine were my only choice, given the poor results Europe is having with that one.
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Then I hope you're more fortunate than my friend who had to spend the following day in bed with chills and nausea, or the friend of a friend who reported waking up freezing, her legs were heavy and hurting, "felt like I was going to get sick," with headache, sweating and racing heartbeat. She said she felt better after about nine hours, though, so I'm sure it's all good.
I will say that I had flu like symptoms for three days after my 2nd Moderna shot...they started within a few hours of being vaccinated...but I may be the exception as I have trouble with medications to begin with.
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I will say that I had flu like symptoms for three days after my 2nd Moderna shot...they started within a few hours of being vaccinated...but I may be the exception as I have trouble with medications to begin with.
Awesome, I am scheduled for first Moderna injection on Monday **nononono* I wouldn't even bother except that my son and DIL are whack a doodle libs and seriously restrict how much we can see our granddaughters because COVID.
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Both Modera jabs gave me a sore arm for a couple of days, but did not affect lifting / strength, or anything like that. I found it reassuring to have evidence that my immune system was kicking into gear.
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Valid question. What stats aren't being reported? How many people are actually dying from the vaccines?? I'd say there are many more dying and many more are having severe adverse side effects then is being reported or acknowledged to the public. https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447 https://www.kmvt.com/2021/03/11/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered/
@libertybele
I know what happened with AstraZeneca. I know it due to son living in the UK and getting his first shot of AstraZeneca this past Monday. He mentioned the blood clot factor so I found the data on that. Everything in quotes below happened with THE SAME BATCH OF ASTRAZENECA. That batch did not go to the UK or Wales so no one there has had a blood clot or clots from other batches of AstraZeneca.
At the beginning of this virus, Oxford Un. in the UK, started work on a vaccine before any other medical group. I noted that since it was Oxford; that England started work before we did.
Son said he felt tired, not much energy, a mild headache, the day after the shot and has been fine since then. I'll get back to you when he has the second shot.
Here is the quote about countries stopping shots of AstraZeneca:
"A woman in Austria died from a blood clot shortly after an AstraZeneca jab.
Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg have halted use of the batch.
Denmark, Norway and Iceland went further, suspending all AstraZeneca doses.
Italy paused the rollout of a different batch of the vaccines over blood clot fears."
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UK's equivalent of the FDA concerning the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-regulator-confirms-that-people-should-continue-to-receive-the-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca
EU's equivalent of the FDA concerning the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots
The Reader's Digest summary of the above is that there is no evidence tying the vaccine to the clots, and fewer of the vaccinated millions have experienced clots than happen randomly in the general population.
It may do so in the coming weeks, but at this point AZ has not applied to the FDA for EUA and their vaccine cannot legally be used in the US. AZ uses a different technology than do Pfizer and Moderna; J&J uses the same basic technology, though differing in detail.
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The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.
AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.
At least the other three have proven track records.
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The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.
AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.
At least the other three have proven track records.
That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China. I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.
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I have faith in my god given immune system. It has protected me for 65 years. Take your covid shot and shove it... I ain't taking it anymore or ever.
I don't care if Covid 19 comes or goes cuz
I got my plastic Jesus ridin' on the dashboard
of my car. I travel through the nation with my plastic Jesus
and i'll go a ridin' down the thoroughfare
with a nose up in the air say'n: Fuk You Fauci
a wreck may be ahead, but I don't mind,
cuz you will be dead before me.
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That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China. I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.
Reports are China is not allowing entrance unless the traveler has been vaccinated with the China vaccine.
I wonder how many Americans will go along with THIS @LadyLiberty
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The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.
AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.
At least the other three have proven track records.
IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.
Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.
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22222frying pan
Take your dose.
Dumbasses.
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IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.
Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.
Looks like AZ may apply for EUA in a few weeks, https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2021/astrazeneca-us-vaccine-trial-met-primary-endpoint.html#!
IIRC, the tests in which the dosing mix-up happened was in Brazil, not in all countries in which testing was done. If I understand the AZ article correctly, their EUA application would be based only on US test data. That doesn't preclude the apparent lack of efficacy against the "South Africa" variant being a consideration.
Rewinding to last summer, AZ looked to be the farthest ahead in the testing process, and that may be why OWS' initial purchase was 300M doses instead of the 100M dose purchases made with Pfizer, Moderna, et al. The dosing mix-up in Brazil's tests may have delayed AZ's application for EUA by 3 or 4 months.
IF AZ is approved, that would make 400M doses that came under contract during LIEden's MalAdministration without LIEden lifting a finger. Novavax and another 100M doses may be coming in a few weeks as well.
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22222frying pan
Take your dose.
Dumbasses.
I took the Pfizer vaccine with no side affects, other than the 6th finger now appearing on my left hand. Oh wait....yeah I guess a 6th toe as well. :o)
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I got my 1st dose of Pfizer on St. Patrick's day.
No side effects.
nd one is scheduled for April 7th.
Will advise.
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How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.
https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120
(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1373019024427208705/pu/img/VmwEPsbYBk1sXorX?format=jpg&name=small)
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How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.
https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120
(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1373019024427208705/pu/img/VmwEPsbYBk1sXorX?format=jpg&name=small)
Maybe they should not have used a Mexican Beer?
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C'mon, man, it was Germany. I'm sure they used some actual good Reinheitsgebot bier. :beer:
When the 'rona first hit, I made this little guy (you can't see the rest of him - it's a Corona bottle):
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22222frying pan
Take your dose.
Dumbasses.
Dayum... I forgot my Sarcasm tag on this one.
Sorry folks. The great one is slipping in his old age. :cool:
Carry on
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I got my first dose of Moderna yesterday and the only reaction I had was to the damn bandage they put on me. I had much more reaction to TDAP, Shingles and Hepatitis vaccines, which all caused swelling redness and pain, heck I had trouble lifting my arm it hurt so bad after the Shingles injection. I guess I'll see how it goes with the second injection, that's apparently the one people have the biggest reaction to.
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source: https://twitter.com/humptacles/status/1374139629520125955
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No pain. No ill effects. My arm feels fine. (But then I didn't get the vaccine).
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Obituary: Kansas woman dies of allergic reaction after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine
EMS dispatch states the woman was having difficulty breathing and speaking when 911 was called
Updated: 12:39 PM EDT Mar 26, 2021
KMBC 9 News Staff EFFINGHAM, Kan. — Family members say a Kansas woman died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine earlier this week.
In the obituary posted with Becker Dyer-Stanton Funeral Home, family members said 68-year-old Jeanie M. Evans, of Effingham, died unexpectedly on Wednesday at the Stormont-Vail Hospital after having a reaction to a COVID-19 vaccine.
Emergency dispatch records note a patient had an allergic reaction at a vaccine clinic site just after 4 p.m. on Tuesday.
Dispatch identified the patient as a 68-year-old female having difficulty breathing and speaking — adding that she had been injected with an EpiPen and that there were two nurses with her on the scene. ...
More (https://www.wtae.com/article/obituary-kansas-woman-dies-of-allergic-reaction-after-receiving-a-covid-19-vaccine/35948534?fbclid=IwAR0Eu9CaAPy_d-5FKmIYHb5BbbIde9sh3uUWRuARBBM4W1xK0G5dLQcIIQs#)
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Tweets from Alex Berenson (https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1376911443367501828):
Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
1/ Okay, a bunch of countries have decided @AstraZeneca’s #Covid vaccine is double-plus ungood because of a tiny ittybitty lil risk it will cause horrible deaths in healthy young adults.
But no worries about the @JNJNews @pfizer @moderna_tx shots, right?
Well. Hmm.
2/ All these vaccines work the same way - by hijacking your cells and making them crank out massive numbers of #SARSCoV2 spike proteins, leading to an antibody response far more intense than most people have to the actual virus...
3/ However, they deliver the molecule that causes the hijacking differently. The JNJ and AstraZeneca vaccines both use a modified cold virus hitched to a piece of DNA (which converts to RNA in your cells); the Pfizer and Moderna shots use RNA itself, inside a tiny ball of fat...
4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t. Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?
5/ Maybe. In that case this is a risk across the board. Or perhaps some spike proteins are being misproduced because of flaws in the RNA (the EMA talked about this risk with @Pfizer). Or maybe that’s not a problem either.
Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
What I am getting at here...
6/ Is when you travel at WARRRRP SPEEEED, you leave the known universe behind. The reason we know about this AZN problem is NOT from the clinical trials, it’s because several European countries noticed it. But wouldn’t they have done the same with the others? Not necessarily...
7/ Remember, for a while people over 65 were not getting the AZN shot in most of Europe. And it is YOUNGER people who appear to be suffering these blood disorders. So maybe the AZN problems jumped out early because the shot was going mainly to them.
8/ But what about the US? Many millions of people under 55 have received the @pfizer and @moderna_tx vaccines. Wouldn’t we have seen a problem? That’s just it. We HAVE. VAERS has many reports of blood disorders, and last month hematologists wrote a paper discussing the issue...
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9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...
10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?
Maybe.
And maybe that’s good enough for you.
Alex Berenson is a former NYT reporter. Bio here (http://www.alexberenson.com/about-the-author/).
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1. A bunch of countries researched the blood clots question, determined that fewer among the vaccinated experienced the clots than would happen in the general population, and resumed use of the AZ vaccine. The Berenson Tweet was posted well after the UK's and EU's equivalents of the FDA made this decision. That he omitted relevant facts, ummmm, does not reflect well on him.
4. 4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t. Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?
Why did Berenson not inform readers about the fact that every vaccine has, besides its active ingredient, inert ingredients to dilute for usability and as preservative(s)? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?
9. 9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...
Why did Berenson not inform readers that the VAERS database records all "adverse incidents", many of which, when investigated, are not due to the vaccinations? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?
10. 10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?
Maybe.
And maybe that’s good enough for you.
Why did Berenson not inform readers that the UK and EU equivalents of the FDA determined that the blood clots were not associated with the AZ vaccine? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?
Berenson's Tweet thread is Panic Porn FUD.
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Just putting it out there. I don't know anything about Berenson's motives.
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Still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus infecting a vaccinated person because they didn't wear a mask.
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I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday. No reaction at all. Not even soreness in the arm.
@thackney
Bob has had both pfizer shots. After the second one, he felt a little unbalanced when he walked to the car, so he sat there until he "felt right". That was it for the second one.
I can't have any of the vaccines, but I would if I could.
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Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.
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Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.
Virus Variant in Brazil Infected Many Who Had Already Recovered From Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/health/covid-19-coronavirus-brazil-variant.html
...The researchers tested these possibilities by tracking P.1 from its earliest samples in December. By early January, it made up 87 percent of samples. By February it had taken over completely.
Combining the data from genomes, antibodies and medical records in Manaus, the researchers concluded that P.1 conquered the city thanks not to luck but biology: Its mutations helped it spread. Like B.1.1.7, it can infect more people, on average, than other variants can. They estimate it is somewhere between 1.4 and 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.
But it also gets an edge from mutations that let it escape antibodies from other coronaviruses. They estimate that in 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 lineages in Manaus last year, somewhere between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1 in Manaus.
The researchers found support for this conclusion in an experiment in which they mixed P.1 viruses with antibodies from Brazilians who had Covid-19 last year. They found that the effectiveness of their antibodies dropped sixfold against P.1 compared with other coronaviruses. That drop might mean that at least some people would be vulnerable to new infections from P.1.
Dr. Faria said “an increasing body of evidence†suggests that most cases in the second wave were the result of reinfections....
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Chiming in ... I'd like to see a weasel-free explanation why a person who has recovered from Covid, :seeya: , should be vaccinated.
The gooberment's weaselly contradictory messaging about immunity - by vaccination or by recovery - is another self-inflicted blow to gooberment authority and credibility.
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But it also gets an edge from mutations that let it escape antibodies from other coronaviruses. They estimate that in 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 lineages in Manaus last year, somewhere between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1 in Manaus.
The researchers found support for this conclusion in an experiment in which they mixed P.1 viruses with antibodies from Brazilians who had Covid-19 last year. They found that the effectiveness of their antibodies dropped sixfold against P.1 compared with other coronaviruses. That drop might mean that at least some people would be vulnerable to new infections from P.1.
That's really beautiful and all, but is there a documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'? No petri dish experiments. No theories. No estimates. But an actual case?
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If your vaccine needs for me to be vaccinated in order for it to work, then your vaccine doesn't work.
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From all that I have read, and doctors I have listened to, it is not the immediate after affects of the vaccine at issue, it is 2 - 20 years down the road when your body is attacked by another virus other than COVID, speculation being that those with the vaccine will have an auto immune response, which will kill many. Time will tell.
These vaccines are NOT tested. The whole reason it takes 5 to 10 years to develop a vaccine or any pharma is due to the testing that takes place. We had zero animal testing with these vaccines. ZERO!!!
I have had this crap disease twice now. When I had it first time, there was no test to determine if I had COVID. The most recent bout of this sh*t, which was just recently, I tested positive. About the most scary thing is how quickly one becomes weak. Extremely weak unlike any illness I experienced before. I WILL NOT GET A VACCINE TO PROTECT AGAINST A VIRUS KILLING 2/10THS OF ONE PERCENT. I am 67, and I am overweight, and I would much rather take my chances with the virus each year than shoot my body with something that makes me a guinea pig.
And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic. The last companies I trust are pharma. If you knew the process for getting pharma approved, you would not trust any pharma product either. Corruption is an understatement. Anyone that trusts the FDA is simply clueless. If it is not vaccines causing autism, then what is?
Both times I had this disease, and my wife, the infectious disease physician, we followed the same course. Her symptoms were far less, partially because she is 20 years my junior, but she believes because of her taking kefir that she has made at home. She orders grains that produce fresh kefir daily, with exorbitant bacteria counts, and a broad spectrum of bacteria, like 150 billion in a small glass of kefir.. This last time, her ONLY symptom was a fibro myalgia sort of pain of her skin. I had that symptom too. But I had a fever for 15 days, she did not have that. I had half a dozen other symptoms too.
She believes the key to an incredibly strong immune system is the digestive tract being populated with high quality bacteria. She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture. The bacteria count is through the roof, and of a much better quality than anything you buy in the store. She now has me drinking it, so that in the future, should I get it again, my body will respond more like hers. Since I HATE sour anything, I would normally not want it, but since I lost most of my taste, her kefir taste more like a milkshake. I can drink it. I suppose once I get used to it, I will continue drinking it into the future.
I am curious to see how well it will protect me when we have the next virus.
For the women here that are subject to having a UTIs, she strongly recommends this kefir made at home. If anyone is interested, I can ask her where she gets the grains. She is very fussy about all that.
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And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic.
That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.
Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.
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That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.
Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.
Well, that's part of the problem, and not just in medicine. Moving the goalposts has become THE way to remain relevant, which translates into funding from private and public sources. Now definitions have been expanded to include buffer zones around previous criteria, while some things which would be considered politically incorrect get a pass...
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An online acquaintance (someone I met at FR before we both were banned) reported she got the J&J vaccine today: After the injection I was dizzy; they sat me down and gave me crackers and water. Then they bought in two National Guardsmen to take me outside to throw up so I wouldn't throw up in the bathroom. I am now home in bed. UPDATE: left half of face is swollen, red and boiling hot.
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An online acquaintance (someone I met at FR before we both were banned) reported she got the J&J vaccine today: After the injection I was dizzy; they sat me down and gave me crackers and water. Then they bought in two National Guardsmen to take me outside to throw up so I wouldn't throw up in the bathroom. I am now home in bed. UPDATE: left half of face is swollen, red and boiling hot.
Oh my God! I thought that the J&J vaccine would be better than the Moderna or Pfiezer.
My vote is still NO. The vaccines are NOT safe.
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I had the second round of Pfizer Vaccine this afternoon. I had a bit of a headache for an hour or so but seems fine now. After dinner, I worked in the garden and fixed a gate the steer had torn loose from this weekend. I do not have any issues, not even pain at the injection site.
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Had the 2nd Moderna about 1pm today. Never felt the shot.
So far, no aches or pains or cold symptoms. Of course, it's only 8 hours. :shrug:
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jmyrlefuller...
That's nonsense. You probably knew plenty of people who were what we classify today as "autistic." It was just that the culture of that time didn't put those people at the same disadvantages that they face now.
Asperger syndrome was not considered a thing until 1977. It wasn't considered autism until 2004, which is why you saw the incidence of "autism" jump sixfold around that time: they threw a mild neurodiversity condition into the autism heap and made it look like this huge crisis.
Your info is a crock! My son was born in 1980. With all we knew at the time, we did not permit any pediatrician to give him vaccines of any kind until he was past three years of age because of the SUSPICION that they caused autism. Same was true for our other two kids that came along later.
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She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture
It would be greatly appreciated if you share the specifics of this. (And, yes, will sign a release if you'd like :laugh:)
Thanks! @jafo2010
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My wife ordered the grains right off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Grains-Unleashed-Thomas-Egbert/dp/B007GGRJTG
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Got my 2nd Pfizer vaccine a week ago today.
Shot 1, my arm was sore for 2 days.
Shot 2, arm really didn't even get sore. No other side effects or impacts.
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I got my 2nd dose Pfizer yesterday, @ 2:00 pm
I was fine last night.
Got up for work this morning.
I didn't go.
O2 down in the 80's %.
Sweating, from low grade fever.
Dizzy.
Loss of appetite.
Feeling a bit better.
A little sore in the arm, O2% coming back up, appetite returning.
Head feels a bit clogged still, no more fever.
My unscientific poll of people who have had a 2nd shot finds that 25% had side effects for the next day, including me.
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Your info is a crock!
Oh, really?
I was diagnosed with Asperger's 20 years ago. It runs, to various degrees, in my family. By and large, I've lived a healthy, productive, "normal" life without any interventions to speak of. I am sure that many others like me have as well, especially before we had to diagnose every idiosyncratic behavior as some sort of mental disorder.
So please, tell me how the reason I do struggle with some things is because my parents gave me a vaccine instead of force-feeding me some quack's bacteria-laced concoction. :chairbang:
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:im waiting:
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I had my second moderna shot on the 1st.
Headache for two days. Not a migraine but it was annoying. Also nauseous. But I’ll take it, it’s still better than getting Covid
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From all that I have read, and doctors I have listened to, it is not the immediate after affects of the vaccine at issue, it is 2 - 20 years down the road when your body is attacked by another virus other than COVID, speculation being that those with the vaccine will have an auto immune response, which will kill many. Time will tell.
These vaccines are NOT tested. The whole reason it takes 5 to 10 years to develop a vaccine or any pharma is due to the testing that takes place. We had zero animal testing with these vaccines. ZERO!!!
I have had this crap disease twice now. When I had it first time, there was no test to determine if I had COVID. The most recent bout of this sh*t, which was just recently, I tested positive. About the most scary thing is how quickly one becomes weak. Extremely weak unlike any illness I experienced before. I WILL NOT GET A VACCINE TO PROTECT AGAINST A VIRUS KILLING 2/10THS OF ONE PERCENT. I am 67, and I am overweight, and I would much rather take my chances with the virus each year than shoot my body with something that makes me a guinea pig.
And when I was young, I did not know a single person that was autistic. The last companies I trust are pharma. If you knew the process for getting pharma approved, you would not trust any pharma product either. Corruption is an understatement. Anyone that trusts the FDA is simply clueless. If it is not vaccines causing autism, then what is?
Both times I had this disease, and my wife, the infectious disease physician, we followed the same course. Her symptoms were far less, partially because she is 20 years my junior, but she believes because of her taking kefir that she has made at home. She orders grains that produce fresh kefir daily, with exorbitant bacteria counts, and a broad spectrum of bacteria, like 150 billion in a small glass of kefir.. This last time, her ONLY symptom was a fibro myalgia sort of pain of her skin. I had that symptom too. But I had a fever for 15 days, she did not have that. I had half a dozen other symptoms too.
She believes the key to an incredibly strong immune system is the digestive tract being populated with high quality bacteria. She makes her own kefir, and takes the grains from the culture each day to start the next culture. The bacteria count is through the roof, and of a much better quality than anything you buy in the store. She now has me drinking it, so that in the future, should I get it again, my body will respond more like hers. Since I HATE sour anything, I would normally not want it, but since I lost most of my taste, her kefir taste more like a milkshake. I can drink it. I suppose once I get used to it, I will continue drinking it into the future.
I am curious to see how well it will protect me when we have the next virus.
For the women here that are subject to having a UTIs, she strongly recommends this kefir made at home. If anyone is interested, I can ask her where she gets the grains. She is very fussy about all that.
Nice. I make homemade yogurt, from my dried milk supply. Very similar. I make a smoothie out of it. I freeze 4 oz, in cup and add fruit later in blender, with splash of apple juice.
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As I posted on another thread..with the 2nd Moderna shot I was sick for almost 3 days..nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps and body aches...it started just a couple of hours after the shot..then it just disappeared as fast as it came on..
Husband had the pifzer shots..no problem except for a sore arm for about 12hrs...
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I had my second moderna shot on the 1st.
Headache for two days. Not a migraine but it was annoying. Also nauseous. But I’ll take it, it’s still better than getting Covid
Oh, no. A 99.7 % recovery. Ive had it twice. Both times, very mild. ONLY...low grade fever. 5 days first time, 7 days last time. I putzed around the house, but stayed home. No sneezing, coughing, no running nose...nothing. Just low grade fever. VERY ODD. Twice.
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:im waiting:
Harsh, perhaps, but I mean it. I don't take kindly to being told I don't know jack squat about something I experience every day. This autism/vaccine hoax was concocted by trial lawyers 30 years ago and it wasn't any truer then than it is now.
You have every right to be skeptical of a vaccine. You have no right to baselessly drag my condition into it.
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As I posted on another thread..with the 2nd Moderna shot I was sick for almost 3 days..nausea, diarrhea, stomach cramps and body aches...it started just a couple of hours after the shot..then it just disappeared as fast as it came on..
Husband had the pifzer shots..no problem except for a sore arm for about 12hrs...
Most people I know that have rec'd the vaccine have had the Pfizer. One of my doc's had the Moderna, and was fine, and I didn't ask about the 2nd dose.
I am also concerned about any long term affects. In time we'll know.
I had more hope for the J&J vaccine, but that vaccine has its own set of issues.
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Harsh, perhaps, but I mean it. I don't take kindly to being told I don't know jack squat about something I experience every day. This autism/vaccine hoax was concocted by trial lawyers 30 years ago and it wasn't any truer then than it is now.
You have every right to be skeptical of a vaccine. You have no right to baselessly drag my condition into it.
I have found the subject of autism interesting. Autism/vaccine hoax? I'm not quite so positive about that @jmyrlefuller
When my son was given his first dose of MMR, his arm was more red and swollen then usual and the doctor waited to give him his scheduled next dose and cut it down to 1/4 of the dose. I am thankful that the doctor made that decision as my son had some other health issues around that time that were luckily correctable. So ... coincidence or the vaccine?
When my daughter was studying advanced anatomy in college, it was the 'opinion' of the professor from his research that it was the binding agent in the MMR vaccine that caused autism. Consequently, when my grandson was born at 25 weeks, before he was able to leave the NICU they wanted to administer most of the required childhood vaccines early. Though it meant more injections, she requested that he be given the MMR individually rather than the combination. He thankfully never had any setbecks and is fine.
My nephew has 2 children and the oldest is autistic. He received his immunizations overseas, so the first thought was that it was something environmental as the youngest child is fine and he received his immunizations in the states. He has undergone immunotherapy and it has made somewhat of a difference.
My daughter's friend has 5 children and they are all autistic (God bless her heart). So, of course, you can't help but think it's genetic, however, they all had their childhood vaccines.
Granted these are only 4 instances. In my nephew's case, if it were genetics, both children would be autistic, which isn't the case.
So, could indeed the binding agent in the vaccine be the culprit. Perhaps different binding agents are used depending on the manufacturer?
Which brings up the current COVID vaccines -- yes they are used for COVID, but the vaccines obviously differ somewhat by manufacturer.
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I got my 2nd dose Pfizer yesterday, @ 2:00 pm
I was fine last night.
Got up for work this morning.
I didn't go.
O2 down in the 80's %.
Sweating, from low grade fever.
Dizzy.
Loss of appetite.
Feeling a bit better.
A little sore in the arm, O2% coming back up, appetite returning.
Head feels a bit clogged still, no more fever.
My unscientific poll of people who have had a 2nd shot finds that 25% had side effects for the next day, including me.
@GrouchoTex
My 24 yr old niece had no problems with the first shot. The second Pfizer shot she had 102 fever with no appetite for 2 days and had a knot on her arm. Today she's much better.
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I have found the subject of autism interesting. Autism/vaccine hoax? I'm not quite so positive about that @jmyrlefuller
When my son was given his first dose of MMR, his arm was more red and swollen then usual and the doctor waited to give him his scheduled next dose and cut it down to 1/4 of the dose. I am thankful that the doctor made that decision as my son had some other health issues around that time that were luckily correctable. So ... coincidence or the vaccine?
After my son was given his first dose of MMR, he didn't speak again for the next five years.
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I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully! 99.7 % RECOVERY!
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I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully! 99.7 % RECOVERY!
If that number were true, we'd already be at herd immunity. But guess what? People are still getting sick and dying.
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I am also concerned about any long term affects. In time we'll know.
I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.
A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756
And it is not the first report of this.
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"recovery"
I know people who are still recovering a month later.
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"recovery"
I know people who are still recovering a month later.
:seeya:
I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.
My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.
I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.
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I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.
A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756
And it is not the first report of this.
Same here. I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID. Life is an exercise of risk managment, Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.
For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days. And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably? It's like getting out of prison.
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I'm less opposed to the 'rona vax than I was a few months ago, but considering I haven't been vaccinated for anything since the measles shot in my childhood, still don't see it as essential.
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Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.
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Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.
Absolutely. Some people have real health reason for not getting the vaccine. But "I don't want it" is good enough.
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I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.
A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756
And it is not the first report of this.
Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID. However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.
Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported? I definitely don't believe so.
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Same here. I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID. Life is an exercise of risk managment, Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.
For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days. And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably? It's like getting out of prison.
Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through. That is my concern.
I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine. Why? Those who have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different? Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions or side effects?? The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.
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:seeya:
I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.
My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.
I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.
Well, then, what IS the recovery rate? I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered. Only deaths. Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic.
Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.
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Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported? I definitely don't believe so.
I do not believe all long term impacts of either the virus or vaccine are well known at this point.
We do know that the virus attacks cells supporting nerves for sense of smell and taste. It is a common effect of the virus impacting 80% of those infected.
Do you believe those are the only cells supporting only those nerves?
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Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID. However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.
Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported? I definitely don't believe so.
Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders. Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine. happy77
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Well, then, what IS the recovery rate? I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered. Only deaths. Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic.
Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.
In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.
Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)
That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.
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Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through. That is my concern.
I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine. Why? Those who have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different? Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions or side effects?? The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.
We are not that far off in thinking. In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med. OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts. Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly.
As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison. Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.
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In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med. OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts. Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly. As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison. Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.
@catfish1957
catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol. No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days. Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened. Told never to have one again. Penicillin shot did the same. Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro. A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it! I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.
Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off. Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.
People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there. I will not go. If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it." That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.
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Growing number of clinics pause J&J vaccines after reports of 'adverse' reactions; CDC finds no safety issues
Clinics in Georgia, Colorado also paused operations over reported side effects
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/north-carolina-johnson-johnson-site-shuts-down-adverse-reactions
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Well, then, what IS the recovery rate? I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered. Only deaths. Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic.
Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.
If you read my post, you'll find that I did not question the "99.7%" figure. My point was that Covid is much more complicated and un-trivial than simply dying or surviving.
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Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders. Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine. happy77
Speaking of @Wingnut ??? Where is he these days?? Hopefully not ill with COVID.
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catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol. No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days. Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened. Told never to have one again. Penicillin shot did the same. Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro. A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it! I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.
Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off. Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.
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PEG is a widely used non-active ingredient in vaccines and other medications. It is the prime suspect in the reported allergic reactions to the various vaccines in wide use in the US and EuroLand (J&J, Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca).
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In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.
Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases (https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases)
That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.
I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment. Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us. Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.
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@catfish1957
catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol. No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days. Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened. Told never to have one again. Penicillin shot did the same. Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro. A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it! I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.
Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off. Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.
People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there. I will not go. If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it." That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.
Interesting. So it's the binding agent that you're allergic to. I wonder what binding agent(s) they are using in the COVID vaccines and if they are all using the same one.
Have read countless articles of research about binding agents in the MMR vaccine being responsible for some cases of autism. It's been awhile, so, I would assume that perhaps the binding agent has been changed. I know that the binding agents in the flu vaccines have been changed a couple of times.
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I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment. Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us. Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.
If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand. It's flying off the shelves. I had a friend give me some, just in case.
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If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand. It's flying off the shelves. I had a friend give me some, just in case.
I bet you're right, I didn't think about availability. We have a couple of other feeds stores several miles away too., but I should venture out and get some.
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If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand. It's flying off the shelves. I had a friend give me some, just in case.
I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures. Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause.
But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again.... we evaluate our on risks.
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Because YOU got sick, you expect all other people to get the vaccine? 99.7%. RECOVERY RATE. I've had covid, TWICE. MILD BOTH TIMES. My immune system is just better than yours. Get your vaccine. ALL OF THEM. BE HAPPY. BTW I treated myself with silver, ZINC, green tea and homemade Elderberry tincture. All I had, was low grade fever of about 99.5 degrees for 5 days. The second time a month later, same LOW GRADE fever for 7 days! No other symptoms. STOP BEING PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT MY POSTS AND INFORMATION. Take what you want, leave the rest. I have no plan on taking any vaccine. Good day.
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I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.
My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.
I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.
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I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures. Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause.
But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again.... we evaluate our on risks.
Yes. Without putting other posters down. :bingo: :thumbsup:
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I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment. Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us. Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.
Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
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I just find it amazing some people are afraid of the tested vaccines but are willing to take something else because they heard it from someone it might be helpful, maybe.
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I have been giving Ivemectin to my pups for nearly 30 years for heartworm prevention. It even has some side effects in dogs, including seizures. Only one dog out of 6 of our dogs suffered from seizures, and am not sure this was the exact cause.
But me personally, I don't think I would be taking meds that have been tested and used only on pets and livestock. Again.... we evaluate our on risks.
There are different dosages for Ivermectin use in humans and animals. Ivermectin has been around for a long time and has been used to treat different ailments. Elderberry syrup is another tincture that has been used for quite a long time that some claim helps with COVID. I can attest to using elderberry syrup; came down with flu like symptoms and used two doses of the syrup over a couple of days and symptoms cleared up. Also drank ginger and peppermint tea along with it.
I am more trusting of herbs and treatments that have been around for awhile then vaccines that have been at best randomly tested and pushed through in warp speed time.
Are the vaccines truly working or are we entering phases and areas with herd immunity??
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Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
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I just find it amazing some people are afraid of the tested vaccines but are willing to take something else because they heard it from someone it might be helpful, maybe.
Different dosages are recommended of Ivermectin for humans then animals. I think it is prudent to keep on hand; just like
Ginger, and Elderberry Immune, etc. Ivermectin has been used in prohibiting the spread of malaria.
As of March 2021, WHO advises that ivermectin only be used to treat COVID-19 within clinical trials. Now gee, wouldn't it be something if this drug, which is relatively very cheap is found to be effective after all the billions of dollars spent on vaccine research?? Just sayin'.
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials
Ivermectin has been used over in Brazil, Australia and some places in Europe with some success.
Yes, the vaccines have been tested, but they have NOT gone through years of testing like most other vaccines.
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What is that drug, they use in Africa over the counter for malaria? Been used about 150 years? Tip of the tongue. Can't think of it. hydro......
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Different dosages are recommended of Ivermectin for humans then animals. I think it is prudent to keep on hand; just like
Ginger, and Elderberry Immune, etc. Ivermectin has been used in prohibiting the spread of malaria.
As of March 2021, WHO advises that ivermectin only be used to treat COVID-19 within clinical trials. Now gee, wouldn't it be something if this drug, which is relatively very cheap is found to be effective after all the billions of dollars spent on vaccine research?? Just sayin'.
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials
Ivermectin has been used over in Brazil, Australia and some places in Europe with some success.
Yes, the vaccines have been tested, but they have NOT gone through years of testing like most other vaccines.
I have ivermectin on hand. I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.
How would you determine what dosage? What happens if you take too much?
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What is that drug, they use in Africa over the counter for malaria? Been used about 150 years? Tip of the tongue. Can't think of it. hydro......
Hydroxychloroquine
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Hydroxychloroquine
It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria. I took it for a year while overseas.
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It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria. I took it for a year while overseas.
Yep. My son took it before he went on a missions trip overseas a couple of years ago.
Edited to add -- I wonder if it has any long-lasting effects. Although my daughter-in-law contracted COVID (as a nurse working with the COVID patients), my son did not.
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I have ivermectin on hand. I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.
How would you determine what dosage? What happens if you take too much?
In the same respect, they are administering the same doses of the vaccines for someone weighing 135 lbs as they are for someone weighing 300 lbs ... so ... I get your point, but, I don't believe they are adjusting COVID vaccine dosages.
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I bet you're right, I didn't think about availability. We have a couple of other feeds stores several miles away too., but I should venture out and get some.
Just look for the sign that says "Not for use in humans for COVID-19" or something to that effect.
I'm sure there will be one.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, just a guy who has done some research, and knows a couple people who have used it.
Dosage is weight based, (apple flavored for horses), and the syringe for the gel (to squirt it in the horse's mouth) is calibrated by weight for the horse. That means (unless you have a 600 lb life) you will have to make an estimate of how much to take based on a fraction of that calibration. So make sure if you do take it the dosage is appropriate for your weight or a little less.
The Ivermectin is an ionophore, so a little less isn't like teasing bacteria with an antibiotic and will still get the zinc into the places it needs to go (Type 1 pneumocytes), but more might not be good because of the antiparasitic effects.
As with hydroxychloroquine, smaller doses got zinc into the pneumocytes, too large of a dose invited side effects.
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Hydroxychloroquine
Thank you! lol. That is used for covid. And it works. Safer than a lot of other medicines. IF, IF....you get really sick with covid. You have that option. Hydroxychloroquine and zinc and antibiotics. It has been used. A doctor has to prescribe it.
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I have ivermectin on hand. I use it on cattle along with others for parasites.
How would you determine what dosage? What happens if you take too much?
Is yours the gel? If so, some of those are calibrated by weight (for horses).
I'd do a search for Ivermectin toxicity, but the gel my friends took (1.87% paste), the dose was a little smaller than a garden pea. These guys were 220-240 lbs. They each took two doses, one a day, with 50 mg zinc supplements for two days, and took extra zinc each day in the evening, and continued with another zinc tablet for the following three days. They both felt like crap at the start and recovered within a week. One had tested positive, the other did not get tested but isolated (the symptoms were there) and did the regimen anyway, because it is supposed to confer limited duration resistance to the bug whether you actually had it or not. (In theory, the type 1 pneumocytes are 'charged up' with zinc ions and if the virus does get in, it can't replicate. )
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It is used for both treatment and prevention of malaria. I took it for a year while overseas.
My husband has taken it several times..when he was in Ghana, Panama and both tours in Iraq...the Army dispenses that like candy..lol
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I think Ivermectin may be a good thing to keep on hand. I'm not saying I'm going to run out and go all gung ho and ingest it.
I still wouldn't take the vaccine. I think it's too early and too little is known about long term adverse effects.
I think we're still looking at vaccine mandates and passports in the near future that I feel shouldn't be forced on us.
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Is yours the gel? If so, some of those are calibrated by weight (for horses).
I'd do a search for Ivermectin toxicity, but the gel my friends took (1.87% paste), the dose was a little smaller than a garden pea. These guys were 220-240 lbs. They each took two doses, one a day, with 50 mg zinc supplements for two days, and took extra zinc each day in the evening, and continued with another zinc tablet for the following three days. They both felt like crap at the start and recovered within a week. One had tested positive, the other did not get tested but isolated (the symptoms were there) and did the regimen anyway, because it is supposed to confer limited duration resistance to the bug whether you actually had it or not. (In theory, the type 1 pneumocytes are 'charged up' with zinc ions and if the virus does get in, it can't replicate. )
Mine is calibrated by weight, but is intended to be poured on the skin and absorbed. It also contains a dye so you can tell which one has been treated.
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Hydroxychloroquine
It was first approved for use in the US in 1955, so it's probably only been around since the late 1940s or early 1950s. It seems to be an improved chloroquine, which was approved in 1947 (but discovered in Germany in the mid 1930s).
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Mine is calibrated by weight, but is intended to be poured on the skin and absorbed. It also contains a dye so you can tell which one has been treated.
I don't know anyone who has used that kind. The people I know used the apple flavored variety of this https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257 (https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257) for horses.
It's available at the local feed stores and Tractor Supply.
Despite the warnings, humans have used it (carefully, with attention paid to dosage) with no apparent ill effects. I must note that because some have done so, it does not mean that all can use it without any ill effect, that is an individual choice.
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I don't know anyone who has used that kind.
For cattle, it is the common choice around here. It dominates the shelf space at the feed store due to the volume.
I do use a ingested paste for the horses. We make a point to use a different type each time to rotate the different brands and controls.
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My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning... :shrug:
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My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning... :shrug:
That's not good and he's young. Hopefully he won't have any adverse effects when he receives the 2nd shot.
Please keep us posted, I'd be interested to know if he continues to have side effects.
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I don't know anyone who has used that kind. The people I know used the apple flavored variety of this https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257 (https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=4D9A49D8-394F-46B3-883C-733D88C2C257) for horses.
It's available at the local feed stores and Tractor Supply.
Despite the warnings, humans have used it (carefully, with attention paid to dosage) with no apparent ill effects. I must note that because some have done so, it does not mean that all can use it without any ill effect, that is an individual choice.
Though I believe it would be a good thing to have on hand, I absolutely would hesitate to ingest it. Heck, I hesitate with the prescriptions that I've been given. Several meds that I cannot take and one that I am still suffering side effects from though they claim it can't be the med. How can it not be? 3 weeks prior to taking the med I was perfectly fine.
Just look at some of the tv ads on meds that they advertise and all the side effects; including death! Gee ... that makes you want to ask your doctor to prescribe it! *****rollingeyes*****
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Though I believe it would be a good thing to have on hand, I absolutely would hesitate to ingest it. Heck, I hesitate with the prescriptions that I've been given. Several meds that I cannot take and one that I am still suffering side effects from though they claim it can't be the med. How can it not be? 3 weeks prior to taking the med I was perfectly fine.
Just look at some of the tv ads on meds that they advertise and all the side effects; including death! Gee ... that makes you want to ask your doctor to prescribe it! *****rollingeyes*****
I hear you.
Get rid of that red itchy skin spot!
and then, in the fine print...May cause trouble breathing, poor heart rhythms, loss of memory, pulmonary failure, loss of external genitalia, diminished kidney function, or permanent damage to eyesight...Consult your doctor if death occurs...
Uh, no thanks, I'll just keep scratching...
I have taken this, myself, with no ill effects, aside for a minor desire to kick some people (just kidding). The use of the ionophore with zinc is allegedly effective as prophylaxis as well (which stands to reason, considering as an early onset regimen it is supposed to get the zinc ions into the pneumocytes to stop viral replication, you'd think the presence of the ions would nip any infection in the bud before it got going).
As with any veterinary antibiotic, I am leery of doing so, simply because if something adverse does occur, I may be clinically on my own.
I have only had reactions to the penicillin group antibiotics, so I avoid those, period. I research the drug, whether prescribed by a doctor or something for critters, and know what to look for, therapeutic dosage and duration, etc.
I have often been in situations where getting to a doctor just was not an option, but had access to or had with me antibiotics for critters I had not needed to talk some physician into giving me a prescription for (something that is difficult to do here, especially with the younger doctors around).
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Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.
I firmly agree.
But I also realize the government in most places isn't going to be as lenient... and if the current bureaucrats in Washington are any indication, it likely will not let the rest of those places be, either.
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Yep. My son took it before he went on a missions trip overseas a couple of years ago.
Edited to add -- I wonder if it has any long-lasting effects. Although my daughter-in-law contracted COVID (as a nurse working with the COVID patients), my son did not.
Polly are you LDS? No issue, just helps me understand a person. article 12. (11?)
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My soon to be 39yo son had his first Pfizer shot yesterday...complaining of tiredness and body aches..went back to bed this morning... :shrug:
@mystery-ak
How is your son doing today? Hopefully he is feeling better.
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To anyone who is still considering getting vaccinated, please watch this video:
https://seed167.bitchute.com/BFwpmlvkLsJY/Dccv1kgGBBLl.mp4
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99.7%. RECOVERY RATE.
I don't know who started this "99 percent-plus recovery rate" mantra, but it never tells the full story. The "99 percent-plus" recovery rate does not apply universally across the board. There are several factors that significantly chip away at the survival rate you're quoting:
There's age (over 60) and there are "comorbidities" (other illness) that put someone at greater risk of a long recovery or none at all --- at any age.
These risks include: obesity, lung disease (COPD, asthma), cardiovascular disease (arteriosclerosis, heart valve disorders, heart rhythm disorders, high blood pressure), diabetes, liver disease, existing immune system disorders.
So that blanket 99%+ recovery may be giving some folks a false sense of security. The responsible thing to do is encourage people to make the best, informed decision they can make for themselves after talking with their personal physicians.
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The responsible thing to do is encourage people to make the best, informed decision they can make for themselves after talking with their personal physicians.
I haven't had a personal physician since 2011. So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci). I recommend others do the same.
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To anyone who is still considering getting vaccinated, please watch this video:
https://seed167.bitchute.com/BFwpmlvkLsJY/Dccv1kgGBBLl.mp4
Thanks for the video. I have heard several similar warnings from other medical professionals. I do not do well with some prescribed meds. Vaccine is not for me.
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I haven't had a personal physician since 2011. So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci). I recommend others do the same.
I still recommend folks sit and talk with a physician....even if he/she is your neighbor's doc. And yes, you can bring your Internet notes. But talk to someone with a calmer presence of mind than found on the world wide web.
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I haven't had a personal physician since 2011. So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci).
Fauci's apples to oranges. He's not a physician, he's a politician.
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I still recommend folks sit and talk with a physician....even if he/she is your neighbor's doc. And yes, you can bring your Internet notes. But talk to someone with a calmer presence of mind than found on the world wide web.
Certainly a lot of misinformation out there but also a lot of information that is kept from the public. IMHO I don't trust a vaccine that had very minimal testing. We've been lied to about this virus from the beginning. Of course the medical community in general is going to back a vaccine. Just like the flu vaccine. I know a woman in her early 90's who never had any vaccines. None. She is healthy and is on no medications....not even a low dose aspirin that the docs push. I am not one for meds. They have absolutely done me more harm than good.
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Certainly a lot of misinformation out there but also a lot of information that is kept from the public. IMHO I don't trust a vaccine that had very minimal testing. We've been lied to about this virus from the beginning. Of course the medical community in general is going to back a vaccine. Just like the flu vaccine. I know a woman in her early 90's who never had any vaccines. None. She is healthy and is on no medications....not even a low dose aspirin that the docs push. I am not one for meds. They have absolutely done me more harm than good.
I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other. I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.
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I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.
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I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.
Did you ask a question about the vaccine or give him the ole' malocchio?? :laugh:
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I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other. I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.
I talked to one of my doctors and she thinks it should be ok. It wasn't a very definitive answer. Also none of my doctor's offices have the vaccine available. It is being administered by grocery store and chain pharmacies. No thank you.
They are going to try to force everyone to get the vaccine but when people start to get adverse reactions later on, the public will realize that they've been duped once again by our govt.....just my opinion. Nope. Not getting the vaccine!
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I'm not trying to talk anyone into taking one direction or the other. I'm just hoping folks, including you, make the decision with at least some input from their physician.
Again, I don't have a physician. Thanks to the federal government.
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Again, I don't have a physician. Thanks to the federal government.
This is awful. Why thanks to the government? Obamacare? VA?
You need a physician...... where are you located?
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Again, I don't have a physician. Thanks to the federal government.
At this point in time you're probably better off. Herbs and diet changes for me have proven to be more beneficial than a lot of the harmful ingredients in prescribed meds.
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Did you ask a question about the vaccine or give him the ole' malocchio?? :laugh:
I don't know what that means.
He asked the question, I answered and that was the entire covid discussion. I have to get a covid test in a couple of weeks because of upcoming surgery, but I hope that's the extent of my covid experience.
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I haven't had a personal physician since 2011. So I have to seek out information myself instead of trusting someone with the abbreviation 'Dr.' before their name (e.g. Fauci). I recommend others do the same.
My brother is a doctor. Zero common sense. He is a demon-rat and voted for obama. Valedictorian of his class. Straight A student. 4.0.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Bz2eHNtA&t=27s
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I saw my primary care physician last week. He asked if I'd gotten the vaccine, and I said no. He didn't pursue it and made no effort to talk me into it.
My friends at the CDC are still refusing to take it. But then what do they know, right?
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At this point in time you're probably better off. Herbs and diet changes for me have proven to be more beneficial than a lot of the harmful ingredients in prescribed meds.
:thumbsup:
I agree. Every year about 200,000 people die, from doctor malpractice. Having a doctor does not mean you will live.
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This is awful. Why thanks to the government? Obamacare? VA?
You need a physician...... where are you located?
Obamacare. I had great insurance at work. In 2011, the federal government came in and started dictating the coverage they had to offer. It became cost-prohibitive for the company to continue the excellent coverage they had while at the same time providing all the additional requirements the federal government imposed upon them. So they cut coverage and switched companies. The new company had a smaller network. It did not include my physician. (He was forced into early retirement shortly after due to his own set of new federal regulations). The physicians in the new network were either no longer taking patients or were located so far away that it was not practical to use them.
During the next several years, I saw my premiums continue to rise and my deductibles to rise even higher. Eventually, I went for an HSA and super-high deductible because I was tired of subsidizing the adult children of my co-workers and their pre-existing conditions, not to mention the higher cost of everything because people with no money were now getting federal dollars coming from my taxes to compete against me for medical care.
This past year, my company switched coverage again to an even worse company. Effectively, I have no insurance. My deductible is over $12,000. All of my medical costs come out of pocket. Yet I am still required by law to carry medical insurance on myself and my family. And on top of that, the threshold for deducting medical expenses was increased by 33%, again thanks to the federal government.
I am grateful to Almighty G-d for good health. He alone is my fortress, my healer. And He is not telling me to get the vaccine.
It cannot be emphasized enough that anything the government gets involved with, it ruins. And the battle against this virus is no exception. It is the government that has rejected and in some cases outlaw low-cost methods that have been proven to save lives. It is the government that has lied again and again about this virus. It is the government that funded this lab in the first place. And it is the government that insists that getting this vaccine will not change a thing about our current nazi usurpation of our basic freedoms.
If for your vaccine to work requires that I get vaccinated, then your vaccine doesn't work. And it doesn't take a personal physician to figure that one out.
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My brother is a doctor. Zero common sense. He is a demon-rat and voted for obama. Valedictorian of his class. Straight A student. 4.0.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5Bz2eHNtA&t=27s
They tell you it is nothing about tracking you, then continue while saying, it is a chip in your system......
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It's not my vaccine @Hoodat ... I've no skin in this game.
And I'm sorry to hear your difficulties with health insurance. I couldn't agree more that once government gets involved in it, kiss goodbye how well it's been working.
A damn shame all around.
Wishing you and yours continued good health :beer:
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My friends at the CDC are still refusing to take it. But then what do they know, right?
I highly doubt you have "friends at the CDC" who would even be allowed to refuse.
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Polly are you LDS? No issue, just helps me understand a person. article 12. (11?)
@LegalAmerican
Nope.
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I highly doubt you have "friends at the CDC" who would even be allowed to refuse.
They are not medical workers. They are just like any other federal workers. Do you really think federal workers at the Dept of Energy or Dept of Commerce have been forced to take the vaccine?
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I highly doubt you have "friends at the CDC" who would even be allowed to refuse.
In my first job out of college in the late '70's, one of my duties in the State Dept. of Health was epidemiological collection and reporting for a 6 county area. I dealt with the CDC by phone and letter once a month on a routine basis.
Some of those guys there were pencil D__ke'd bureacratic dipshits, who didn't have the common sense to get out the rain. Don't give CDC that much credit.
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My wife got her second Pfizer vaccine shot yesterday. Mild headache this morning. Perhaps even less effect than I had.
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In my first job out of college in the late '70's, one of my duties in the State Dept. of Health was epidemiological collection and reporting for a 6 county area. I dealt with the CDC by phone and letter once a month on a routine basis.
Some of those guys there were pencil D__ke'd bureacratic dipshits, who didn't have the common sense to get out the rain. Don't give CDC that much credit.
There are substantially more desk jobs there than lab jobs. CDC is a bureaucracy just like everything else government touches.
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My wife got her second Pfizer vaccine shot yesterday. Mild headache this morning. Perhaps even less effect than I had.
My older daughter received her second Moderna last Friday. She hibernated for about 24 hours but has been fine since. The reactions to the two mRNA vaccines seem to be all over the map, from mildly sore arms to a day or two of fever and aches.
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There are substantially more desk jobs there than lab jobs. CDC is a bureaucracy just like everything else government touches.
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The State with the lowest vaccine rate - Utah - has a fatality rate of 0.553% among known cases, second only to Alaska. Clearly, Utah is doing something right when it comes to treating this disease.
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The State with the lowest vaccine rate - Utah - has a fatality rate of 0.553% among known cases, second only to Alaska. Clearly, Utah is doing something right when it comes to treating this disease.
One things for certain, we seem to know how to deal with this thing a lot better. According to Hopkins site, we have had <500 deaths per day for the past two days nationwide. Haven't seen numbers like that since the beginning of the pandemic.
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I don't know what that means.
He asked the question, I answered and that was the entire covid discussion. I have to get a covid test in a couple of weeks because of upcoming surgery, but I hope that's the extent of my covid experience.
You are very lucky that your PCP took that stance. I had to go to the "semi-annual come in or you don't get your meds" visit last week. My new PCP asked about the Vid Vaccine and when I said I hadn't had it...wanted to know why. So I told her my concerns about the lack of testing and she came up with a song and dance about how vaccines were safe after 3 months of testing.. IMHO someone needs to give her a better script. happy77 This Doc is pretty young and I may change.
As of today, I'm not going to do the vaccine. That doesn't mean I won't change my mind at some later date since I think we will be dealing with this virus for a long time.
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You are very lucky that your PCP took that stance. I had to go to the "semi-annual come in or you don't get your meds" visit last week. My new PCP asked about the Vid Vaccine and when I said I hadn't had it...wanted to know why. So I told her my concerns about the lack of testing and she came up with a song and dance about how vaccines were safe after 3 months of testing.. IMHO someone needs to give her a better script. happy77 This Doc is pretty young and I may change.
As of today, I'm not going to do the vaccine. That doesn't mean I won't change my mind at some later date since I think we will be dealing with this virus for a long time.
Try finding a pediatrician who will take in your child as a patient yet allow you to refuse vaccinations.
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Try finding a pediatrician who will take in your child as a patient yet allow you to refuse vaccinations.
I thought the anti-vaxxers had pretty well squelched that...but I don't know.
At any rate...my new PCP can "fire" me if she likes, lol.
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I thought the anti-vaxxers had pretty well squelched that...but I don't know.
At any rate...my new PCP can "fire" me if she likes, lol.
Parents can't enroll their child in school unless they have proof of vaccinations. Will the schools also require them to have a COVID vaccine now?
I hope not. After hearing a few first hand stories of people who had some definite problems with the vaccine and watching the video post above, I am absolutely against the vaccine.
At first the CDC and WHO proclaimed that your youth were pretty much immune to COVID or their risks was next to none and now they are having kids get the vaccine? What's wrong with this picture?
People need to take a step back and think about what's going on. How can anyone trust what Fauci recommends, or the WHO or CDC?
This was more than likely a lab created virus and I believe it was purposefully released. Who knows the real reason why. All we do know is a lot of people have died and are going to continue to die whether or not they've received the vaccine.
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My wife got her second Pfizer vaccine shot yesterday. Mild headache this morning. Perhaps even less effect than I had.
That is good to hear. For now everything is good. In watching the video posted up thread and hearing warnings from a couple of people in the medical field; the concerns now are the potential long term lasting effects.
Obviously everyone needs to make their own decision regarding getting the vaccine . Sure talk to your doctor, but I think most doctors are going to side with what they've been told by the medical community.
Time will tell of course.
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I just got a note from Amazon that Michael Lewis has a book coming out on May 4 about the pandemic and how the vaccine was created, among other things.
Reserving it from the library. Dang fine author, would love to see his spin on this subject.
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Parents can't enroll their child in school unless they have proof of vaccinations.
In Georgia, we have a religious exception to that (which I use for my son). Not sure how that works at the college level though. I remember having to get an MMR booster and a TB test as an adult before attending college here. But that was before my son was diagnosed, so I wasn't looking for an exemption at the time.
It is ludicrous to mandate SARS-2 vaccines for children. There is no benefit to be gained for them.
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It's ludicrous to mandate any flu vaccine. I have no problem with smallpox, polio, etc vaccines.
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It's ludicrous to mandate any flu vaccine. I have problem with smallpox, polio, etc vaccines.
For those who think they are bullet proof.... Just talked to a friend....one of his good friends in his 60's just died of COVID. Didn't feel well so waited a day to go to the Dr. who immediately put him in the hospital. From there he was flown to New Orleans and put on a heart lung machine where he died 2 days later. Former LSU football player in good shape. Since he was 64 his number hadn't come up yet for the vaccine....so he waited. Dang....so sad.
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I had to edit my post, due to a typo. I have no problem with certain vaccines. Others, like those for Covid, I do not believe are necessary.
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For those who think they are bullet proof.... Just talked to a friend....one of his good friends in his 60's just died of COVID. Didn't feel well so waited a day to go to the Dr. who immediately put him in the hospital. From there he was flown to New Orleans and put on a heart lung machine where he died 2 days later. Former LSU football player in good shape. Since he was 64 his number hadn't come up yet for the vaccine....so he waited. Dang....so sad.
That certainly is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. So far, we have yet to hear that the Covid vaccines actually prevent anyone from getting the virus, though, so we can't even say whether it might have helped your friend's friend. What the heck good are they?
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That certainly is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. So far, we have yet to hear that the Covid vaccines actually prevent anyone from getting the virus, though, so we can't even say whether it might have helped your friend's friend. What the heck good are they?
What does 95% effective mean?
It does not prevent EVERYONE from getting the virus, that is the 5% ineffective.
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That certainly is unfortunate, and I'm sorry. So far, we have yet to hear that the Covid vaccines actually prevent anyone from getting the virus, though, so we can't even say whether it might have helped your friend's friend. What the heck good are they?
From my understanding, if you get the COVID vaccine, should you contract COVID it will prevent you from dying from it. I haven't heard anything definitive that the vaccine will prevent you from getting COVID, nor is there any concrete proof that it will prevent the transmission.
Similar to getting the flu vaccine, should you contract the flu the symptoms will be milder. It is recommended that every year you get a flu vaccine, but as you probably already know that vaccine is a vaccine for what strain they think will be prevalent that year.
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What does 95% effective mean?
It does not prevent EVERYONE from getting the virus, that is the 5% ineffective.
Lots of different stats floating around out there. What to truly believe? The only thing that I am absolutely certain of is that you cannot trust the CDC, the WHO nor the supposed expert; Fauci.
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I had to edit my post, due to a typo. I have no problem with certain vaccines. Others, like those for Covid, I do not believe are necessary.
For you or for anyone @mountaineer ?
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For you or for anyone @mountaineer ?
Not necessary for me. I don't presume to tell other people which medical decisions they must make.
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Not necessary for me. I don't presume to tell other people which medical decisions they must make.
Correct. I have seen 'anti-vaxxers' being derided here. Yet these so-called 'anti-vaxxers' aren't out there dictating what other people should do. Instead, it is the deriders who demand that others be vaccinated, lest their liberties be taken away.
Live and let live.
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Lots of different stats floating around out there. What to truly believe? The only thing that I am absolutely certain of is that you cannot trust the CDC, the WHO nor the supposed expert; Fauci.
Start with sources like these:
Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
CONCLUSIONS
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.
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Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389
CONCLUSIONS
The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease.
(edited to add Moderna)
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Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
CONCLUSIONS
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.
Considering that roughly 85% of the people infected with SARS-2 do not develop Covid, claims of 95% protection is not that much better relative to what non-vaccinated people already experience.
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Considering that roughly 85% of the people infected with SARS-2 do not develop Covid, claims of 95% protection is not that much better relative to what non-vaccinated people already experience.
You are talking about Aasymptomatic infections compared to prevention of infection.
Now take 85% of 5% for the comparison. The likelyhood of developing symptons after the vaccination become in the range of .05 x .15 = less than 1% compared to 15%.
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Another video that people need to see ... granted this woman speaks very quickly (fitting in what she has to say), but take note of the results of the vaccines tested on animals. Our kids especially IMHO are in jeopardy.
Say what you will and think what you will, but too much negativity is happening surrounding these vaccines.
@mountaineer I'm with you on this one; NO COVID vaccine!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpltbdXTUf4
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Considering that roughly 85% of the people infected with SARS-2 do not develop Covid, claims of 95% protection is not that much better relative to what non-vaccinated people already experience.
I took your 85% for granted. Looks like it is more in the range of 40% to 45%. I welcome any links to more information.
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012
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I had my hair cut this morning. My stylist at the salon told me how one of her customers recently berated her in front of everyone for not having had a vaccine shot. She said, "Maybe I should have just lied and told her I got the vaccine." She has no plans to be vaccinated.
Meanwhile, her coworker shared how she got the J&J a few days ago and had been nervous about all this blood clot business until she prayed for peace, and was feeling better about it. Neither my stylist nor I berated her for subjecting herself to the shot. It was her choice, not our business, and that's fine. I wish her the best.
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I had my hair cut this morning. My stylist at the salon told me how one of her customers recently berated her in front of everyone for not having had a vaccine shot. She said, "Maybe I should have just lied and told her I got the vaccine." She has no plans to be vaccinated.
Meanwhile, her coworker shared how she got the J&J a few days ago and had been nervous about all this blood clot business until she prayed for peace, and was feeling better about it. Neither my stylist nor I berated her for subjecting herself to the shot. It was her choice, not our business, and that's fine. I wish her the best.
I agree. Time to lie to all the people, who have no common sense.
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I had my hair cut this morning. My stylist at the salon told me how one of her customers recently berated her in front of everyone for not having had a vaccine shot. She said, "Maybe I should have just lied and told her I got the vaccine." She has no plans to be vaccinated.
Meanwhile, her coworker shared how she got the J&J a few days ago and had been nervous about all this blood clot business until she prayed for peace, and was feeling better about it. Neither my stylist nor I berated her for subjecting herself to the shot. It was her choice, not our business, and that's fine. I wish her the best.
Clearly it was her choice and if and when she gets sick from the vaccine, she'll perhaps reflect back on her chastising others on not getting the vaccine.
There is too much negative information (see video I just posted upthread) coming out that I would think should make people think twice about getting a vaccine that was pushed through without the stringent normal testing.
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You are talking about Aasymptomatic infections compared to prevention of infection.
Now take 85% of 5% for the comparison. The likelyhood of developing symptons after the vaccination become in the range of .05 x .15 = less than 1% compared to 15%.
But that's not what you said. You said 95% against getting Covid - not against getting infected. Covid is a symptomatic condition or syndrome that can result from SARS-2 infection, just like AIDS is a syndrome that can result from HIV infection.
As reported last year, asymptomatic cases make up roughly 85% of all SARS-2 infections. Asymptomatic cases do not turn into Covid. So 85% of the people getting vaccines would never have gotten Covid in the first place.
So, no vaccine = 85% effective against Covid. Vaccine = 95% effective against Covid.
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But that's not what you said. You said 95% against getting Covid - not against getting infected. Covid is a symptomatic condition or syndrome that can result from SARS-2 infection, just like AIDS is a syndrome that can result from HIV infection.
As reported last year, asymptomatic cases make up roughly 85% of all SARS-2 infections. Asymptomatic cases do not turn into Covid. So 85% of the people getting vaccines would never have gotten Covid in the first place.
So, no vaccine = 85% effective against Covid. Vaccine = 95% effective against Covid.
My mistake in the terminology then. Vaccicine are 95% effective against any SARS-2 infection.
Would you please share a link to 85% of no symptoms. Everything I have found so far is from 25% to 45%, the higher I shared above.
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My mistake in the terminology then. Vaccines are 95% effective against any SARS-2 infection.
I'll give you that. The CDC puts that number at 90% (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2021/03/29/now-we-know-covid-19-vaccines-prevent-asymptomatic-infection-too/?sh=7c192dd77b01), not that the CDC has a track record of truth on this matter. By their own admission, the Pfizer vaccine does not prevent infection, but only prevents you from getting sick from infection. This alone contradicts their 80% (one shot) and 90% (two shots) claim. But that is what they are claiming nonetheless.
Would you please share a link to 85% of no symptoms. Everything I have found so far is from 25% to 45%, the higher I shared above.
@thackney
I admit that the 6-in-7 number was reported early on. Since then that number has been reduced to 2 in 5. My deep apologies for the obsolete number. It is never my intent to mislead or deceive. Here is a source from Sept of last year: Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012), although the source goes on to say that asymptomatic people are contagious, which other studies dispute.
My overall point here is to show that we are being bombarded with contradictory information. Let's re-adjust the numbers and assume a 40% asymptomatic rate and a 90% effectiveness rate for the vaccine against infection. This translates to a 6% Covid rate with the vaccine compared to a 60% Covid rate without for those internally exposed to the virus. This is a tenfold risk rate compared to the threefold risk rate claimed previously.
Add to that the probability of internal exposure which differs greatly from person to person. Is the individual constantly touch their face because of the mask. Do they wash their hands every 20 minutes? Do they inhale the same indoor air with 500 other people sharing the same ventilation system? How much time do they spend outdoors in the sunlight which reduces their chance of exposure? By following simple guidelines of hand washing, avoiding facial contact with hands, spending extended time in the sun, robust indoor ventilation, keeping distance from others, and avoiding anything that even remotely inhibits breathing, an individual can reduce their chance of exposure by several magnitudes.
Hypothetical: Let's say for example that a person follows the ideal set of guidelines and reduces their chance of exposure to 0.0001%. Then the difference in getting the vaccine vs. not getting the vaccine changes to 0.00006% vs. 0.000006%. In other words, behavioral and environmental changes are far more effective than a vaccine alone, so much so that the vaccine becomes insignificant. So the question now comes down to how risk-adverse each individual is. For the person above, does the benefit of increasing one's protection from 0.00006% to 0.000006% outweigh the 0.0001% chance of a negative reaction from the vaccine.
Of course for the person who never washes their hands, touches their face constantly, never ventures outdoors, and shares the same NY apartment air with 1,000 other residents, his/her risk of exposure is several magnitudes greater. So as a person approaches the 60% vs. 6% comparison with 100% exposure, their risk analysis may push them towards the vaccine.
Also worth factoring in is the risk assessment of Covid. To some, missing a few days from work with flu-like symptoms may be preferable to losing the use of your arm for a day or two which recently happened to a work colleague.
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I'll give you that. The CDC puts that number at 90% (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2021/03/29/now-we-know-covid-19-vaccines-prevent-asymptomatic-infection-too/?sh=7c192dd77b01), not that the CDC has a track record of truth on this matter. By their own admission, the Pfizer vaccine does not prevent infection, but only prevents you from getting sick from infection. This alone contradicts their 80% (one shot) and 90% (two shots) claim. But that is what they are claiming nonetheless.
The results I linked above from the testing published in the New England Journal of Medicine is 95% and 94.1% at preventing infection.
I admit that the 6-in-7 number was reported early on. Since then that number has been reduced to 2 in 5. My deep apologies for the obsolete number. It is never my intent to mislead or deceive. Here is a source from Sept of last year: Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections (https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-3012), although the source goes on to say that asymptomatic people are contagious, which other studies dispute.
That is what I found and linked above.
My overall point here is to show that we are being bombarded with contradictory information. Let's re-adjust the numbers and assume a 40% asymptomatic rate and a 90% effectiveness rate for the vaccine against infection. This translates to a 6% Covid rate with the vaccine compared to a 60% Covid rate without for those internally exposed to the virus. This is a tenfold risk rate compared to the threefold risk rate claimed previously.
I think it is higher based upon my links but not substantially different.
Add to that the probability of internal exposure which differs greatly from person to person. Is the individual constantly touch their face because of the mask. Do they wash their hands every 20 minutes? Do they inhale the same indoor air with 500 other people sharing the same ventilation system? How much time do they spend outdoors in the sunlight which reduces their chance of exposure? By following simple guidelines of hand washing, avoiding facial contact with hands, spending extended time in the sun, robust indoor ventilation, keeping distance from others, and avoiding anything that even remotely inhibits breathing, an individual can reduce their chance of exposure by several magnitudes.
Hypothetical: Let's say for example that a person follows the ideal set of guidelines and reduces their chance of exposure to 0.0001%. Then the difference in getting the vaccine vs. not getting the vaccine changes to 0.00006% vs. 0.000006%. In other words, behavioral and environmental changes are far more effective than a vaccine alone, so much so that the vaccine becomes insignificant. So the question now comes down to how risk-adverse each individual is. For the person above, does the benefit of increasing one's protection from 0.00006% to 0.000006% outweigh the 0.0001% chance of a negative reaction from the vaccine.
Of course for the person who never washes their hands, touches their face constantly, never ventures outdoors, and shares the same NY apartment air with 1,000 other residents, his/her risk of exposure is several magnitudes greater. So as a person approaches the 60% vs. 6% comparison with 100% exposure, their risk analysis may push them towards the vaccine.
I would say that person is much higher since the 60%-6% is average.
Also worth factoring in is the risk assessment of Covid. To some, missing a few days from work with flu-like symptoms may be preferable to losing the use of your arm for a day or two which recently happened to a work colleague.
My experience is much different. I saw death and multi-month job loss from healthy people younger than me without being in a high risk category. I have had no direct experience with anyone missing work from the vaccine although I have heard of them, even on this forum. Most of the people I work around have already gotten either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.
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Correct. I have seen 'anti-vaxxers' being derided here. Yet these so-called 'anti-vaxxers' aren't out there dictating what other people should do. Instead, it is the deriders who demand that others be vaccinated, lest their liberties be taken away.
Live and let live.
1. I have mocked anti-vaxxers' stupidly false claims (e.g. the "microchip" CT and the mRNA-Reprograms-Your-DNA CT), multiple times, but not attacked anyone personally (except for the serial liar RFK Jr.). And unless TBR management requests I not mock ludicrous conspiracy theories such as those, I may do so again.
2. Since anti-vaxxers claims, if believed by gooberment officials and acted on, would make all vaccines unavaiolable, they are trying to dictate what people can and cannot do.
3. As I have posted multiple times, I oppose mandatory vaccinations (of any kind, not just Covid) and oppose "vaccine passports". Since I obviously would fit the term "derider", I'm requesting, @Hoodat, that you not paint people with a broad broom.
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Also worth factoring in is the risk assessment of Covid. To some, missing a few days from work with flu-like symptoms may be preferable to losing the use of your arm for a day or two which recently happened to a work colleague.
I missed 15 days, 13 of them in a hospital bed, 8 or 9 of them on forced oxygen. Then after being released, taking a 10 minute shower left me exhausted, and for a couple of days simply walking from the back of my house to the curb in front of it was strenuous exercise. My first week back at work I only worked half days (my job is not physically strenuous, but for a couple of weeks simply walking from the parking lot, into the building, and to my cubicle left me panting for a minute or two!). A couple of weeks after being released I'd recovered to the point that walking 4 tenths of a mile was strenuous. Last weekend I was finally able to walk a continuous 4 miles without stopping to rest ... basically back to where I was around New Year. Covid can be "a few days with flu-like symptoms". But many survivors have experiences similar to or worse than mine. IOW, make your choices as you will, but don't fool yourself that surviving Covid is just a matter of "a few days from work with flu-like symptoms".
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@thackney, I've probably posted these links before, but the Phase 3 test data for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are online:
Moderna Phase 3 data published December 30, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
When I did the search when I found those the J&J data had not yet been published.
Anti-vaxxers and Covid-vax-resisters who claim the tests have not been performed and/or that the data is unavailable are simply wrong, whether they are lying or simply unaware. Sadly, some are rejecting things they don't want to hear - the reverse side of the confirmation bias coin.
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@thackney, I've probably posted these links before, but the Phase 3 test data for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are online:
Moderna Phase 3 data published December 30, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
When I did the search when I found those the J&J data had not yet been published.
Anti-vaxxers and Covid-vax-resisters who claim the tests have not been performed and/or that the data is unavailable are simply wrong, whether they are lying or simply unaware. Sadly, some are rejecting things they don't want to hear - the reverse side of the confirmation bias coin.
There is another choice which has been drowned out in first, badly constructed and performed tests, and then in the pro vaccine hoopla. Both Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, when used with zinc supplements and a macrolide antibiotic have proven effective as early onset treatments for COVID-19. The studies which gave lethal doses of chloroquine, or tested hydroxychloroquine without the essential zinc supplementation were done in such a manner as to target the pharmacology for elimination, not to test its efficacy, because the full regimen WAS NOT USED.
Note that in some cases, this was administered to people on their deathbeds, and that was the wrong time in the course of the disease to use it. Simply put, the treatment was intended to interdict the virus by stopping replication in the Type 1 Pneumocytes (the function of the zinc, 'admitted' to the cells by the ionophoric effect of hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin). This prevented lung damage, but also stopped the virus from replicating in the lung tissue to the extent that the patient suffered damage. This regimen was attacked from day one, censored from you tube, and hydroxychloroquine (a drug in use worldwide for 60+ years) suddenly treated like it was a death sentence.
While the shills of social media have effectively swept the web of references to treatment options, people I know irl have used this with good effect, returning to work in a matter of days, and back up to speed in a week (yes, they tested positive).
Throughout this outbreak there has been a heavy political influence on the so-called 'science', one which emphasized damaging the economy (To get at Trump), and callous disregard for common sense medical protocols which led to the deaths of thousands of people in extended care facilities. The Government (Democrats, anyway), the CDC, the NIAID and Fauci have been behind this every step of the way. With that consideration in mind, I find their credibility index to be low, and will go with what I consider to be the best option.
It IS a personal choice, and I won't berate anyone for their choice, but will caution others to not demand that I comply with their thinking on the subject, because that just. won't. happen.
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1. I have mocked anti-vaxxers' stupidly false claims (e.g. the "microchip" CT and the mRNA-Reprograms-Your-DNA CT), multiple times, but not attacked anyone personally (except for the serial liar RFK Jr.). And unless TBR management requests I not mock ludicrous conspiracy theories such as those, I may do so again.
My wife is an anti-vaxxer (while I am not). At no time did she ever suggest anything about microchips or reprogrammed DNA. But she has researched the animal studies where white cell counts were affected and the test subjects all died.
2. Since anti-vaxxers claims, if believed by gooberment officials and acted on, would make all vaccines unavaiolable, they are trying to dictate what people can and cannot do.
Uh, no. First and foremost, the crux of the biscuit for both my anti-vaxxer spouse and myself is that we each individual should have the liberty to decide for ourselves whether or not we get a vaccine. It is the classic libertarian position, and one that once suited "We the People" well back in 1787. And if the Pfizer vaccine turns 98% of the people who take it into walking dead zombies, they should still have the right to get the vaccine. Just please don't demand that I get it.
3. As I have posted multiple times, I oppose mandatory vaccinations (of any kind, not just Covid) and oppose "vaccine passports". Since I obviously would fit the term "derider", I'm requesting, @Hoodat, that you not paint people with a broad broom.
@PeteS in CA
You mean like calling people 'anti-vaxxers' and assuming that they all want to make vaccines unavailable for others because they contain microchips and DNA reprogrammers?
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I missed 15 days, 13 of them in a hospital bed, 8 or 9 of them on forced oxygen. Then after being released, taking a 10 minute shower left me exhausted, and for a couple of days simply walking from the back of my house to the curb in front of it was strenuous exercise. My first week back at work I only worked half days (my job is not physically strenuous, but for a couple of weeks simply walking from the parking lot, into the building, and to my cubicle left me panting for a minute or two!). A couple of weeks after being released I'd recovered to the point that walking 4 tenths of a mile was strenuous. Last weekend I was finally able to walk a continuous 4 miles without stopping to rest ... basically back to where I was around New Year. Covid can be "a few days with flu-like symptoms". But many survivors have experiences similar to or worse than mine. IOW, make your choices as you will, but don't fool yourself that surviving Covid is just a matter of "a few days from work with flu-like symptoms".
You also had a lot of people here praying for you.
Again, everyone's reaction is different. And so is their tolerance for risk.
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CONSPIRACY THEORY? JUST IN: Pentagon Scientists Reveal A Microchip That Needs To Be Implanted Under Your Skin Which Senses COVID-19 In Your Body Before You Show Symptoms
1 week agoPentagon scientists have now created a microchip to be implanted under the skin, which will reportedly detect COVID-19 infection and a revolutionary filter that can remove the virus from the blood when attached to a dialysis machine.
The team at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) have been working for years on preventing and ending pandemics.
They determine the issues and come up with “genius†solutions, which at times appear more from a science fiction novel than a working laboratory.
One of their latest inventions was the microchip that detects COVID infection in an individual before it can become an outbreak.
And if you’re concerned… Pentagon revealed that they are ‘NOT’ looking to track your every move. However a more detailed explanation was not given. ...
Worthy Politics (https://worthypolitics.com/conspiracy-theory-just-in-pentagon-scientists-reveal-a-microchip-that-needs-to-be-implanted-under-your-skin-which-senses-covid-19-in-your-body-before-you-show-symptoms/)
Also reported by the New York Post: Pentagon develops microchip that detects COVID under your skin
By Hannah Sparks
April 12, 2021 | 1:30pm
Medical researchers at the Pentagon have created a microchip that will detect COVID-19 when inserted under the skin.
Relax, conspiracy theorists — they’re not being disseminated via vaccines.
The revolutionary technology was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which operates under the Pentagon umbrella, according to Sunday night’s broadcast of “60 Minutes.†The top-secret unit was launched during the Cold War to study emerging technologies for military use — among them, innovations to defend soldiers from biological weapons. ...
“It’s a sensor,†Hepburn told CBS correspondent Bill Whitaker. “That tiny green thing in there, you put it underneath your skin and what that tells you is that there are chemical reactions going on inside the body and that signal means you are going to have symptoms tomorrow.â€
The microchip, embedded in a tissue-like gel, is designed to continuously test the chip recipient’s blood for presence of the virus. Once COVID-19 is detected, the chip alerts the patient to conduct a rapid blood test, which can be self-administered, to confirm the positive result. ...
More (https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/microchip-developed-by-pentagon-to-detect-covid-19/)
No, thank you.
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...Also reported by the New York Post:More (https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/microchip-developed-by-pentagon-to-detect-covid-19/)
No, thank you.
I will pass on taking the chip, but the article had some good info on another possible treatment after severe infection.
...The segment also revealed technology that would allow a standard dialysis machine to remove COVID-19 from the blood using a customized filter. Blood is passed through the machine, where it’s detoxed, then pumped back into the body in a continuous stream until the body is rid of the virus.
A military spouse dubbed “Patient 16†survived a severe bout of the illness, including organ failure and septic shock, thanks to the novel dialysis machine. Treatment lasted four days, after which Patient 16 made a full recovery....
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CONSPIRACY THEORY? JUST IN: Pentagon Scientists Reveal A Microchip That Needs To Be Implanted Under Your Skin Which Senses COVID-19 In Your Body Before You Show Symptoms
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Also reported by the New York Post:More (https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/microchip-developed-by-pentagon-to-detect-covid-19/)
No, thank you.
This subcutaneous "microchip" is developmental - not in use, not approved for use, not in FDA testing. It is irrelevant to Covid vaccines.
DARPA is "Advanced Research Projects". Some become reality, such as Eli Lilly's and AbCellera's bamlanivimab treatment. DARPA had been working with AbCellera since 2018 for a quick response platform to fight new disease outbreaks. Other research projects don't become reality.
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Who needs chips?
Storing medical information below the skin’s surface
Specialized dye, delivered along with a vaccine, could enable “on-patient†storage of vaccination history.
Anne Trafton | MIT News Office
Publication Date:
December 18, 2019
https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218 (https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218)
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An interview with Dr Tenpenny who describes just how the three major shots are supposed to work:
https://rumble.com/vevesv-a-shot-in-the-dark-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny-the-video-they-do-not-want-you-t.html (https://rumble.com/vevesv-a-shot-in-the-dark-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny-the-video-they-do-not-want-you-t.html)
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An interview with Dr Tenpenny who describes just how the three major shots are supposed to work:
https://rumble.com/vevesv-a-shot-in-the-dark-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny-the-video-they-do-not-want-you-t.html (https://rumble.com/vevesv-a-shot-in-the-dark-with-dr-sherri-tenpenny-the-video-they-do-not-want-you-t.html)
Sherri Tenpenny is an osteopathic doctor from Ohio in the United States, widely known for her anti-vaccination stance.
Dr Tenpenny has written books and regularly delivers seminars about what she says are the negative impacts of vaccines on health, and says a meeting in 2000 at a public charity anti-vaccination advocacy group is what led her to investigate "the truth" about vaccines.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-07/who-is-anti-vaccination-campaigner-sherri-tenpenny/6004490
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A study in 2021 found Tenpenny was among a dozen people responsible for 65 percent of anti-vaccine content on Facebook and Twitter. AFP has previously fact-checked her content.
https://factcheck.afp.com/us-doctor-makes-false-claims-about-risk-covid-19-vaccination
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Sad, even pitiable that the automatic, thoughtless attacks on the source or messenger, which ignore the content of the message are becoming so common.
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Sad, even pitiable that the automatic, thoughtless attacks on the source or messenger, which ignore the content of the message are becoming so common.
A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.
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A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.
I typically consider our side (conservatives) with a 10-20 IQ point advantage over our enemies. So I am somewhat perplexed with some of this anti-vaxxer sentiment.
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A person who consistently lies and misrepresents is not worth of the time to hear their next claims.
Exactly. You can call RFK Jr., etc., ham sandwiches for all I care, but I'm not going invest time into reading the blah-blah of a serial liar.
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Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?
I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
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Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?
I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a knee-jerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
It is foolish to always and only have two choices - anti & pro anything. It is much simpler, granted, but not the way to study or learn.
Like mountaineer "I'm not against vaccines, personally;" neither am I automatically for vaccines.
But I have seen & known enough examples of blind or careless acceptance of authorities. Authorities become such because too many folks do not question our own assumptions and are either 999yawn or :yowsa: regarding experts.
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Where was the proof Dr. Tenpenny was proven a liar? (Oh, excuse me, one who "consistently lies and misrepresents.") An AFP "fact check"?
I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
She has spent decades being one of the most vocal anti-vaxers. This one isn't new.
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She has spent decades being one of the most vocal anti-vaxers. This one isn't new.
That may be, but where's your evidence she's wrong, let alone a liar?
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I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
Agree 100%.
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Like mountaineer "I'm not against vaccines, personally;" neither am I automatically for vaccines.
Personally, I am against vaccines for me. I don't give a damn what anyone else does. If you want a vaccine, have at it. Just don't expect me to get one too.
Likewise, I am against anything the government pushes. But that doesn't mean I would try to prevent anyone else from collecting food stamps.
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Personally, I am against vaccines for me. I don't give a damn what anyone else does. If you want a vaccine, have at it. Just don't expect me to get one too.
Likewise, I am against anything the government pushes. But that doesn't mean I would try to prevent anyone else from collecting food stamps.
Likewise. Whenever there's a vaccine that I believe might be a good and necessary thing for me, I'll 1) give it a good cost/benefit analysis, and 2) maybe get it. None of the covid vaccines has passed the test. I'm still considering the shingles shot.
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Going to add the Ike quote in Hoodat's sig to the In Praise of Virtue thread. :patriot:
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I'm not against vaccines in general.
In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdz5kCaCRFM
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I'm not anti-vaxx. I've had my rabies vax and booster before. "All" of them (mostly), in fact, from childhood on. Except for the flu shot. There are some I deem worthless and haven't gotten. The Shingles vax may be of interest to me.
I have long term problems with blood clots in my legs and take daily rat poison for it/them. Part of it is the science. And part of it belief(s).
Not taking this one.
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I'm not against vaccines in general.
In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.
I agree with you. I am a cardiac patient and have several other health issues, but this vaccine was rushed through, people have had adverse reactions and have died. More and more I hear of people who do well with the first dose and the 2nd dose kicks their butts....so I'm not so convinced that for someone who is already health compromised that the vaccine is going to be more helpful than harmful.
It obviously is a very individual decision and no one should be chastised for making the decision that they feel is right for them.
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I'm not against vaccines in general.
In this case what is being called a vaccine isn't. It may work fine long term but the simple fact is we don't know that yet. It is currently a science experiment with an unknown long term result. For those who have higher risks from not taking it verses taking it then it makes sense. I'm not there.
that pretty much sums up what I think as well. As for Doctor Tenpenny, I am a scientist, and all viewpoints should at least be considered. I am willing to listen to reasonable arguments for or against something, and she has her stated reasons for opposing mass vaccinations.
The more superficial your knowledge of the subject (any subject) the easier it is to dismiss opposing viewpoints, so it takes some digging to get to the meat of the matter, whatever it is. It is easy to get caught up in the slogans and hype for either viewpoint or none at all, but for me, the picture I have is that people went to great lengths, even crafting 'studies' which were deeply flawed from the onset, to discredit an early onset regimen that has appeared (where the data are even let out (not censored)) to be effective in the vast majority of cases. Anything which supported the use of the complete regimen at the appropriate time in the course of the disease was summarily discredited by investigations which used parts (only) of that regimen, at the wrong time in the course of the disease, and then claimed the regimen to be ineffective.
That's about like saying a bucket of sand or water can't be used to put out a fire, because you waited until the whole barn was fully involved instead of snuffing the flames while they were small.
All of this, apparently, was conducted by people who were supporting a vaccine (or other, expensive, treatment alternatives) and doing so to maintain the economic malaise the panic over the disease enabled them to generate (itself a result of media manipulation and mismanagement of resources and patients on a local scale) in lieu of a vaccine, which has been sold as the panacea from the beginning.
The political and economic interweavings are gobsmacking. The science has been polluted by both, and if you dig, the flaws in the studies damning hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and even chloroquine ate glaring, because one, or sometimes two parts, of a three part regimen were used, and the most essential one left out, or dosages were insanely high (in the case of Chloroquine in the Brazilian study).
It isn't just the scientist in me that questions the motivation that would lead authority figures in politics and the medical field to blatantly compromise their integrity (what they had, anyway), resulting in the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands through bad policy, both politically, and through bad science.
Be that motivation political or pecuniary, this whole sh*tshow has been a crime against humanity as experts in their fields have misled the public and abused their positions of power. That does not include the very real motivations in place from early on to tweak the statistics for direct financial and indirect political gain, likely leading to inflated death tolls, nor the questionable accuracy of testing which further fostered the panic and all that ensued from that.
So, I'm not in any hurry to buy what they are selling, and the sales pitch is almost pushy enough for the telemarketers to chime in (surprised they've missed it, actually).
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http://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/326182206_Has-COVID19-Been-Isolated-with-Dr.-Andrew-Kaufman-and-Dr.-Thomas-Cowan--Jour...-963108570762892-(1):1
http://odysee.com/@AlfAnonymous:3/DrAndrewKaufman-ExosomasOVirus:3
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I don't know anything about the doctor nor what she's said about the vaccines. I'm not against vaccines, personally. But I am concerned at what appears to be a kneejerk hostility toward anyone who questions the efficacy and necessity of this particular vaccine.
Maybe this was not in reference to me, but my responses to people are based on facts and, sometimes, my experience. I'll gladly admit mocking CTs such as the vaccine-microchip CT and the mRNA-reprograms-your-DNA CT, because those CTs are STOOOOOpid. Outside sources parroting those CTs get my well-earned scorn and mockery.
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https://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/326182206_Has-COVID19-Been-Isolated-with-Dr.-Andrew-Kaufman-and-Dr.-Thomas-Cowan--Jour...-963108570762892-(1):1
https://odysee.com/@AlfAnonymous:3/DrAndrewKaufman-ExosomasOVirus:3
The SARS-CoV-2 virus has been isolated multiple times in multiple countries. "Dr." Thomas Cowan's medical license was suspended by the State of California in 2017, a suspension that was supposed to expire in 2022. He renounced his medical license in 2020. As a duck often says ......
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From a friend. Based on Kaufman above.
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From just a logical point of view alone, you can see that saying a disease has been positively identified and yet, can be asymptomatic, is ridiculous unless it's part of a hoax, which in that case, an asymptomatic disease becomes a very useful tool.
Think about it. We're told that COVID19 can have the symptoms of a hundred other diseases, everything from tuberculosis, to lung cancer to the common cold and even allergies.....It can have everything from multiple symptoms of things like gun shot wounds, falling in the bathtub injuries, to no symptoms at all....Everything from a goat to a papaya has tested positive on the accepted test for COVID19, which is the RT-PCR test.
So....with these facts in mind, on this basis alone, you can deduce that it is a hoax logically....If EVERYTHING can be mis-labled as COVID now....then does the disease COVID actually exist? If you can't isolate the symptoms, let alone the thing that is causing the symptoms, how can you create a cure for it? It's like attempting to cure the "effect" without knowing the cause...or in this case, misidentifying the cause in a thousand different ways.
And so we come to the idea of a vaccine itself which has questionable logic, because the idea is ostensibly to inoculate a person from the effects of a disease before they get it and before the CAUSE of the disease is known...So right there, you run into a logical error, because you're attempting to now treat for the future effects of an unknown or misidentified cause....Would anyone argue that it's appropriate to treat for the symptoms of a common cold with a vaccine for a virus that has never been identified and isolated/purified out of a solution of genetic fluid?
And yet, that's what you're doing here. People don't seem to have the logical reasoning power to grasp the error in this thought process.
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Take note, the Dr. who designed the HCQ and Zinc treatment has won the Nobel prize for his work on it.
https://conservativeplaybook.com/2021/04/30/hcq-proponent-dr-vladimir-zelenko-to-receive-nobel-prize/
That's a stick in the eye to the powers that be.
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I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.
What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.
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I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.
What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.
Nor do I. I think we'll start to see the long term effects on people and we won't need a study. It'll be obvious.
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Nor do I. I think we'll start to see the long term effects on people and we won't need a study. It'll be obvious.
Nah. They'll blame everything from having had a beer to eating red meat. The boogeymen will fit in with the Green New Deal to help their destruction of America along.
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It seems most everyone has chosen their poison:
Say "no" to a vaccine and risk contracting a serious case of Covid-19 and not coming off a ventilator in ICU.
Say "yes" to a vaccine, and wait for unknown life altering side effects to kick in.
Now live with it and stop pushing strangers to tell you how smart you are.
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I have no desire to be a guinea pig. But by all means, you all get jabbed. It is your patriotic duty. Wear your mask too.
What bothers me is that the vaccines are being offered as a gigantic drug trial, a fact people tend to forget or ignore. They've each been approved by the FDA on an Emergency Use Authorization . Nobody knows if, or what, the long-term effects will be until there's been time to study them.
The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. But the initial results are not looking good.
Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581
Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/
....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....
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Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them. You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.
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Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them. You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.
Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots. Death is not the only bad outcome. And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.
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Same reason I get the Tetanus, Flu, Shingles, etc shots. Death is not the only bad outcome. And I am in a higher risk category than 1%.
And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.
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Regardless of how safe or unsafe they are, I will not be taking any of them. You are all free to do as you please but the logic of getting vaccinated against something with a 99+% recovery rate escapes me.
And there is the penultimate truth... everything stacked above that line has to be bullcrap.
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And there is the penultimate truth... everything stacked above that line has to be bullcrap.
Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.
Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk. Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.
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The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. But the initial results are not looking good.
Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581
Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/
....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....
Which is why early treatment was and remains important, but those protocols were attacked the moment Trump mentioned Hydroxychloroquine.
An ionophore, zinc, and an antibiotic were included in the regimen with the result that the virus could not replicate to develop severe symptoms and physical damage to the lungs or elsewhere.
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Tell that to our neighbor and my son's band director who had a horrific death at age 53 from COVID-19 a year ago. You'd know bullcrap alright.
Getting the vaccine is a personal choice based on indiviudal risk. Anti vaxxers who are scaring folks, or are telling them they'll be safe without them are being terribly irresponsible.
Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.
Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.
It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data.
Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.
It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.
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Sorry for your losses, but they are in fact anecdotal. It does not change the reality. And I say that knowing folks who have suffered too.
Who is scaring folks is the government, who have been inciting panic above the fold and in bold script for over a year.
It is not unreasonable or irresponsible to point out that no vaccine is needed for a threat that has a death rate of what, .026? And even that is with jacked up data.
Certainly no cause for suspending normal testing and rushing to market, with what will likely be consequences. Certainly no cause for lockdowns and masks.
It is all bullcrap. ALL of it. And you are right - It IS your personal choice to believe it. But that don't shut me up.
@roamer_1
QFT!! :beer:
Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year. But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems.
They told her a ventilator might be too much for her. ...so she decline getting one. Died 24 hours later.
I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate LOL!
May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.
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And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.
Pulmonary Tuberculosis?
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Pulmonary Tuberculosis?
Powers that be.
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Got the J+J one-shot today. So far some muscle soreness at the injection site, but otherwise I feel fine.
I'm only doing this so that I don't have to deal with the legal nonsense.
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And you obviously have much more trust in the PTB than I do and that is fine! Suit yourself.
I don't trust government for crap. But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community. The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.
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I don't trust government for crap. But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community. The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.
The bypassing of long term safety studies was all on government.
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The same is true for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. But the initial results are not looking good.
Long-term Health Consequences of COVID-19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771581
Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7643287/
....Although the upper and lower respiratory tracts are the main sites of entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the body, resulting in COVID-19 pneumonia as the most common presentation, acute lung damage may be followed by pulmonary fibrosis and chronic impairment of lung function, with impaired quality of life. Also, increasing reports have shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection involves the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and directly or indirectly damages neurons, leading to long-term neurological sequelae....
My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.
I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we? We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another. No thanks. Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.
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My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.
I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we? We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another. No thanks. Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.
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I can't tell if my posts are being deleted or on another thread. I think all of my posts are relevant, but some mod does not think so. Go figure. How many covid threads are there?
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CULTURE PUBLISHED: 5:12 PM 30 APR 2021
Yale Epidemiologist: 60% Of New COVID Cases Are In People Already Vaccinated
People who don’t understand that the vaccine makes you more susceptible to COVID (and the most deadly version), obviously believe the media propaganda and don’t read what they sign.
by April Matthews
https://conservativedailypost.com/yale-epidemiologist-60-of-new-covid-cases-are-in-people-already-vaccinated/
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My hunch is that those who received the vaccine will eventually suffer from some of the symptoms mentioned above.
I do NOT trust this vaccine; why should we? We're trusting a vaccine for a virus that was inflicted upon us by members affiliated or are part of our own gov't. to destroy our economy and to unseat a President. The FDA, Departments of Health, WHO, CDC, Fauci -- they all have their fingers in this one way or another. No thanks. Secondly, I don 't trust their stats on the vaccines nor their recommendations on COVID.
The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today. So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.
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The CDC has consistently lied to us again and again and again over the last 17 months, and they continue to do so today. So no, they haven't earned my trust, especially in regard to an experimental vaccine that actually prevents my body from developing antibodies that will kill it.
I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?
At any rate, yet another reason not to get the vaccine.
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I thought that the J&J vaccine was one that was supposed to produce antibodies?
By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact. J&J is not one of those.
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By "experimental", I was referring to the ones that attack the protein spikes while leaving the virus intact. J&J is not one of those.
Unfortunately though, the J&J vaccine has reportedly the most problems.
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I don't trust government for crap. But these were not developed by the government, they were developed by the medical community. The Government's role in the Covid Vaccine is mostly funding and time frame regulations.
So if you asked me which I trust more, Big Parma or Big Government, I would be unable to adequately answer. Except perhaps, to spit on the ground.
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@roamer_1
QFT!! :beer:
Lost my big sister (18 months) to Covid or pneumonia early this year. But, she was on a 3X per week kidney dialysis machine and insulin dependent among other problems.
They told her a ventilator might be too much for her. ...so she decline getting one. Died 24 hours later.
I got the vaccine because of my age...since mine is the highest death rate LOL!
May as well go Jason Strahan are their spikey asses.
I am sorry for your grief. Even if she was kickin it before the fact, or in some risk, I can see where folks would call it the way they do. My own sis is to young for it to be in her way, except that she is heavily compromised in her lungs... Of us all, I worry most for her.
But she won't be taking vax either. And if it is her death, I doubt it would change my mind on the bigger picture.
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The mRNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.
The Viral Vector vaccines (J&J and AstraZeneca) cause recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.
The Novavx's protein sub-unit vaccine causes recipients' immune systems to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein.
Neither AstraZeneca's nor Novavax's vaccines are approved for use in the US, nor have either company applied for Emergency Use Authorization.
Why do all target the SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike protein? because it is fairly stable, and with the spike made useless by the antibodies, the SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot enter into cells and thus cannot reproduce. The virus dies without reproducing.
The two inactivated virus vaccines in use in other countries that I'm aware of are produced by Sinovac and Sinopharm, Chinese countries. Chile has been one of Sinovac's (IIRC, maybe both) major customers, and experienced a major surge in cases in March and April, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/ . The surge appears to have peaked. Those two vaccines appear to not work well against what is currently in circulation. Maybe they are too specific to the virus strain on which the vaccines are based. Or maybe the quality control is lacking. That issue aside, that type of vaccine would produce antibodies that attack the whole virus.
But whether the antibodies produced kill the virus directly or the virus dies unable to reproduce, it died and didn't reproduce.
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So if you asked me which I trust more, Big Parma or Big Government, I would be unable to adequately answer. Except perhaps, to spit on the ground.
The problem with that is that with as little as I trust either one of those entities, I trust supplement-hawking "naturopath" hucksters even less—and far too many of that type have latched onto anti-vaxxer concerns (whipping them up into outright paranoia) to hawk their cheap placebos.
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The problem with that is that with as little as I trust either one of those entities, I trust supplement-hawking "naturopath" hucksters even less—and far too many of that type have latched onto anti-vaxxer concerns (whipping them up into outright paranoia) to hawk their cheap placebos.
IMHO there is something to be said for natural remedies and herbal medicines. I'm not condoning those that are snake oil salesmen and offer a remedy and cure all for the rona virus or other ailments.
I take several herbals and over the years they have helped immensely with pain and inflammation and I for a very long time was able to do without prescription meds. Once the docs prescribe one med, it becomes a viscous circle of taking meds to counteract side effects of another med.
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IMHO there is something to be said for natural remedies and herbal medicines. I'm not condoning those that are snake oil salesmen and offer a remedy and cure all for the rona virus or other ailments.
I take several herbals and over the years they have helped immensely with pain and inflammation and I for a very long time was able to do without prescription meds. Once the docs prescribe one med, it becomes a viscous circle of taking meds to counteract side effects of another med.
I will absolutely concur. I have regained far more health from herbal treatment than I ever did from western medicine, and that really, for pennies on the dollar.
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I will absolutely concur. I have regained far more health from herbal treatment than I ever did from western medicine, and that really, for pennies on the dollar.
I was absolutely symptom free for almost 10 years on herbals. I went to the heart doc and he put me on a medication and within 3 weeks I was much much worse off then before with several additional symptoms that have not resolved even after stopping the prescription medication.
I wished that I had never taken the medication...now I'm on even more meds, physical therapy, several procedures and maybe even surgery.
The docs all say that everything can't be because of that med. I say, b.s.! I was fine before I took it. It wreaked havoc on my body.
Western meds don't agree with me. My body has aged 15 years on that crap with no end in sight!!!
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I was absolutely symptom free for almost 10 years on herbals. I went to the heart doc and he put me on a medication and within 3 weeks I was much much worse off then before with several additional symptoms that have not resolved even after stopping the prescription medication.
I wished that I had never taken the medication...now I'm on even more meds, physical therapy, several procedures and maybe even surgery.
The docs all say that everything can't be because of that med. I say, b.s.! I was fine before I took it. It wreaked havoc on my body.
Western meds don't agree with me. My body has aged 15 years on that crap with no end in sight!!!
What was the medication?
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Unfortunately though, the J&J vaccine has reportedly the most problems.
'Reported' by people who are pushing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
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The problem with that is that with as little as I trust either one of those entities, I trust supplement-hawking "naturopath" hucksters even less—and far too many of that type have latched onto anti-vaxxer concerns (whipping them up into outright paranoia) to hawk their cheap placebos.
Yep, it is much better to trust the $500 billion industry that wrote most of the Obamacare bill.
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All I can say at this point is do your due diligence, weigh your options and risks with your situation in mind, and make up your own mind.
We've hashed and rehashed the politics, economics, and medical aspects of this to the point of 11513, and I doubt we are, at this point going to change any minds already made up on this matter.
Everyone has their own reasons for choosing what course they will. I have relatives who have taken the vaccine, some have not. I knew people who died who had significant comorbidities and it was credited to COVID. In my case, those comorbidities are not present, and with my risk profile, I am not getting the shot. YMMV, and that is what freedom is about.
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All I can say at this point is do your due diligence, weigh your options and risks with your situation in mind, and make up your own mind.
We've hashed and rehashed the politics, economics, and medical aspects of this to the point of 11513, and I doubt we are, at this point going to change any minds already made up on this matter.
Everyone has their own reasons for choosing what course they will. I have relatives who have taken the vaccine, some have not. I knew people who died who had significant comorbidities and it was credited to COVID. In my case, those comorbidities are not present, and with my risk profile, I am not getting the shot. YMMV, and that is what freedom is about.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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From my friend;
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The evidence is mounting that this so-called vaccine, which really isn't a vaccine, actually causes the body to manufacture a new virus....because there are a growing number of cases where people are getting sick around recently vaccinated people.
It seems to affect women in particular with regards to the menstrual cycle and reproductive system. So....the evidence suggests that vaccinated people are "shedding" a new virus, infecting others. They become Typhoid Mary's of sorts....So yes, if you get vaccinated, please continue to wear the mask of obedience the rest of your life to protect us from you.
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From my friend;
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The evidence is mounting that this so-called vaccine 1, which really isn't a vaccine 2, actually causes the body to manufacture a new virus 3....because there are a growing number of cases where people are getting sick around recently vaccinated people.
It seems to affect women in particular with regards to the menstrual cycle and reproductive system 4. So....the evidence suggests that vaccinated people are "shedding" a new virus 5, infecting others. They become Typhoid Mary's of sorts 6....So yes, if you get vaccinated, please continue to wear the mask of obedience the rest of your life to protect us from you. 7
1 There are three vaccines in use in the US. Which one is this friend referring to? Or is the friend so ignorant as to think only one is in use in the US?
2 As described here, https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,431293.msg2422592.html#msg2422592 , all three of the vaccines produce antibodies that cause SARS-CoV-2 viruses to die without being able to penetrate cells and reproduce. Maybe your friend thinks that makes the three vaccines ham sandwiches, but their actions show they are vaccines.
3 No, none of the vaccines cause recipients' bodies to manufacture viruses of any kind. What the vaccines cause recipients' cell to produce is described in this post, https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,431293.msg2422592.html#msg2422592 . Your friend is flat out incorrect.
4 That's ridiculous. Not only do any of the vaccines cause infertility in women, they also do not make men gay, as an Iranian imam has claimed. The two claims are equally laughable, :silly: .
5 As pointed out above, the three vaccines in use in the US do not cause recipients' bodies to produce any kind of virus. So they have no viruses to shed.
6 Your friend spreading all these falsehoods is more of a Typhoid Mary than any vaccine recipient, :silly: .
7 :tongue2: :silly: No. :silly: :tongue2:
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You're tilting at windmills, Pete. She probably has you on 'ignore' like she does anyone who calls her out... including me. Though perhaps the guests on this forum being able to see such content thoroughly refuted is something I'd hope those guests would appreciate.
I guess after the 2016 primaries I shouldn't be surprised at how easily certain people (and I'm not specifically calling out any individuals because there are many) can be led astray by nonsense so long as they want to believe it, but here I am, astounded. I am very thankful for some of the saner members of this board and the truce that most members seem to be willing to accept on this issue.
As for the vaccine/virus thing... only one of the three vaccines even uses a virus, and that's the Johnson and Johnson one, which uses a GMO adenovirus engineered to have a COVID spike protein. As far as I've been able to deduce, that adenovirus is crippled so it cannot replicate. The mRNA vaccines don't even use a virus at all, let alone create them. That's not even how viruses work. All of the vaccines are structured as to condition the immune system to recognize SARS-CoV2 and attack it before the virus replicates and/or causes damage.
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Anyway... day one after the vaccine:
Last night, I felt fine, other than the sore tricep. In the middle of the night I woke up with chills and dry mouth. (I don't mind being up that hour on early Sunday because WSM in Nashville has some good music programs on in the middle of the night.) For most of today, I've dealt with some body aches, slight congestion and fatigue. Red Bull and Advil have kept me functioning, though I did take a long nap and a nice hot bath to loosen the muscles. I was able to do my church duties as usual. I thought, "so this must be what the flu feels like." (I have never had the flu in my lifetime. I suspect I'm immune.)
They say most of these side effects go down after a day or so, so we'll see what tomorrow brings.
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Anyone remember thalidomide?
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Anyone remember thalidomide?
That one has me stumped.
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Anyone remember thalidomide?
What is thalidomide?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiWgJCUmKzwAhVBMn0KHd_eA6QQFjAJegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthalidomide.ca%2Fen%2Fwhat-is-thalidomide%2F&usg=AOvVaw1l-edYOqquwJxbcho-BYb7
Everyone was told that this drug represented no risk at all for pregnant women.
“What the public did not know is that Grünenthal had no reliable evidence to back up its claims that the drug was safe. They also ignored the increasing number of reports coming in about harmful side-effects as the drug was being used. In fact, starting in 1959 Grünenthal was flooded with complaints from doctors about mild to severe and sometimes permanent nerve damage, especially by elderly people who had used the drug as a sleeping aid.
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The company was equally dismissive of concerns related to deformed babies. The drug was widely promoted as an anti-nausea drug for pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. When the company was confronted with reports on malformed babies and suggestions that the malformations could be possibly linked to Thalidomide, they didn’t react. Instead of taking all those reports seriously Grünenthal responded with measures to keep the drug on the market.”
Adding link.
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Thank you bigheadfred.
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Anyone remember thalidomide?
Yes I do. It was a drug back in the 50's that was detrimental to pregnant women. However, I don't remember what it was used for. I do remember my mother bringing it up and stating that she did not take it.
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What is thalidomide?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiWgJCUmKzwAhVBMn0KHd_eA6QQFjAJegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthalidomide.ca%2Fen%2Fwhat-is-thalidomide%2F&usg=AOvVaw1l-edYOqquwJxbcho-BYb7
Adding link.
Ok. Thanks for info. Plain old coke syrup works for nausea. We even gave it to my Dad when he was going through chemo.
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Ok. Thanks for info. Plain old coke syrup works for nausea. We even gave it to my Dad when he was going through chemo.
My late uncle was a pharmacist who heartily recommended coke syrup over anything more "medicinal" for upset stomach.
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Ok. Thanks for info. Plain old coke syrup works for nausea. We even gave it to my Dad when he was going through chemo.
I remember having had coke syrup prescribed for me as a child when I was very ill.
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Ok. Thanks for info. Plain old coke syrup works for nausea.
I probably use charcoal more than anything.
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I probably use charcoal more than anything.
Charcoal is excellent. It saved my life, when an infant in Europe and dying from bloody dissestarry. Nothing helped me, till doctor tried charcoal. Works for gas pain.
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Day two:
Got a good night's sleep last night, most of the side effects from yesterday are gone.
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Wait till the second dose...lol.
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Wait till the second dose...lol.
You're hoping he has a less pleasant reaction? That post has a not nice look. Anyway, @jmyrlefuller received the single-dose J&J vaccine, a fact he posted earlier in this thread.
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You're hoping he has a less pleasant reaction? That post has a not nice look. Anyway, @jmyrlefuller received the single-dose J&J vaccine, a fact he posted earlier in this thread.
Come on Pete...of course I don't hope he has an unpleasant reaction. I had no idea as to what vaccine he took, as I don't read every single post, since I work for a living. Most people I've talked to here locally had a little worse reaction to the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine....that's why the comment. Lighten up buddy.....
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Come on Pete...of course I don't hope he has an unpleasant reaction. I had no idea as to what vaccine he took, as I don't read every single post, since I work for a living. Most people I've talked to here locally had a little worse reaction to the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine....that's why the comment. Lighten up buddy.....
I don't know an overwhelmingly amount of people, but those I do know that have received the vaccine(s) and those whom I have encountered who have gotten the vaccine ALL have had some sort of negative reaction, some much worse then others. Some were extremely sick.
I'm still convinced that we'll soon be seeing the long term ill effects of these vaccines.
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I don't know an overwhelmingly amount of people, but those I do know that have received the vaccine(s) and those whom I have encountered who have gotten the vaccine ALL have had some sort of negative reaction, some much worse then others. Some were extremely sick.
I'm still convinced that we'll soon be seeing the long term ill effects of these vaccines.
Interesting. I have probably talked with a hundred or so with both shots and only one had significant reaction that left them in bed for a day.
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Anyone remember thalidomide?
Yep. Thankfully, Mom flushed it instead of taking it, or typing might be a whole different thing for me.
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Interesting. I have probably talked with a hundred or so with both shots and only one had significant reaction that left them in bed for a day.
FWIW... I received the Pfizer vacs. Absolutely no side effects with first one. A bit of lethargy with the second. All in all, almost invisible.
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Yep. Thankfully, Mom flushed it instead of taking it, or typing might be a whole different thing for me.
My mom too. She said she refused to take it while others were saying it was a wonder drug for pregnant women.
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My mom too. She said she refused to take it while others were saying it was a wonder drug for pregnant women.
Thank God for great Moms!
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Thalidomide was never approved by the US FDA for use against morning sickness, https://books.google.com/books?id=LbHWgd-mDbsC&pg=PA644#v=onepage&q&f=false . It was, however, approved for other, specific, uses (probably not for women who might be pregnant, obviously) ... in 1998. While off-label use might have been permitted in the US, most of the use and consequent deformations were in Europe, where it was approved.
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Take what you want ...leave the rest. It says, stay away from vaxxed.
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https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/ ... nts/285636
From report.
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If this vax is not shedding into other people, why would contact between vaccinated and un-vaccinated be an event worth noting? If this vax is not shedding, then WHY does a guy who has been around a vaccinated woman, even if he did not touch her or have sex, need to worry about getting a different woman pregnant?
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Make all the Black people take it first.
Just to see what happens?
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Funny how no woke celebrities are shaming (or shunning) black folks who mistrust the vaccine - only white people who are assumed to be rabid conservatives.
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Take what you want ...leave the rest. It says, stay away from vaxxed.
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https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/ ... nts/285636
From report.
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If this vax is not shedding into other people, why would contact between vaccinated and un-vaccinated be an event worth noting? If this vax is not shedding, then WHY does a guy who has been around a vaccinated woman, even if he did not touch her or have sex, need to worry about getting a different woman pregnant?
Your url cannot work because of where you copy-and-pasted it from. What you posted just goes to the "FromTheTrenchesWorldReport" main page.
"The vax"? *****rollingeyes***** Seriously? *****rollingeyes***** The writer at "FromTheTrenchesWorldReport", whoever they are, doesn't even know that three separate vaccines are approved for use in the US, not one? *****rollingeyes*****
None of the vaccines approved or being tested for use in the US use coronaviruses, dead or alive. None. There are no viruses in US-approved vaccines to be shed. Nor can parts or proteins from viruses be shed. The anti-Covid-vaxxer at "FromTheTrenchesWorldReport is just responding to BS from other anti-Covid-vaxxers, basically circular reasoning that assumes anti-Covid-vaxxer claims not proved.