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SIGN ON A DOCTOR'S OFFICE
Every election year has a disease
SARS 2004
AVIAN 2008
SWINE 2010
MERS 2012
EBOLA 2014
ZIKA 2016
EBOLA 2018
CORONA 2020
FACTS
Coronavirus has a contagion factor of 2. Sars was 4. Measles is 18.
Coronavirus has a cure rate of 99.7% for those under 50 it infects.
Coronavirus spread is leveling off.
This is a viral pneumonia being hyped as the Black Plague before an election.
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Excellent post.
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Excellent post.
Should have been more fear for Ebola than this event. Now that is a scary contagin.
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Should have been more fear for Ebola than this event. Now that is a scary contagin.
Agree. Obama brought Ebola patients to the US for treatment instead of treating them in situ and no one batted an eye.
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Ebola 2018? All i recall about that was it happened during obama's tenure.
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SIGN ON A DOCTOR'S OFFICE
Every election year has a disease
SARS 2004
AVIAN 2008
SWINE 2010
MERS 2012
EBOLA 2014
ZIKA 2016
EBOLA 2018
CORONA 2020
FACTS
Coronavirus has a contagion factor of 2. Sars was 4. Measles is 18.
Coronavirus has a cure rate of 99.7% for those under 50 it infects.
Coronavirus spread is leveling off.
This is a viral pneumonia being hyped as the Black Plague before an election.
Thank you for the post and giving us this perspective. goopo
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Thank you for the post and giving us this perspective. goopo
You are most welcome, beloved friend. May God bless you and expand your territory.
Kindness rewards in both directions. It is the most effective thing people can do to be happy, according to a psychologist who studies happiness. I forget his name but it's a good name!
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Everyone is panicking. What if you have a regular normal 24 hour bug but you’re afraid it’s something more sinister?
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80,000 died from flu in 2017-2018
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2018-09-27/cdc-80-000-people-died-of-flu-complications-last-season-in-us (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2018-09-27/cdc-80-000-people-died-of-flu-complications-last-season-in-us)
So naturally Trump Deranged Leftists are going crazy TODAY, with far fewer deaths..
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Agree. Obama brought Ebola patients to the US for treatment instead of treating them in situ and no one batted an eye.
Yep.
No panic there, and panic was more warranted then that it is now.
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he National Health Service reports 2.83% fatality rate in the United States for some 1339 confirmed cases.
No doubt there are many more unreported and unconfirmed cases which reduces the mortality rate far below 2.8%. This is dreadful news for the Haters on the Left who want the worst for America always.
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he National Health Service reports 2.83% fatality rate in the United States for some 1339 confirmed cases.
No doubt there are many more unreported and unconfirmed cases which reduces the mortality rate far below 2.8%. This is dreadful news for the Haters on the Left who want the worst for America always.
Also........ until they distinguish in the morality rate who had pre-existing conditions and who didn't, we have no idea what that rate would be for people who are otherwise healthy.
Is it near zero??
I'd like to know.
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This post has true information, but it is also misleading.
First off, it is reported that for those over 60 with a health condition, the mortality rate is 49%.
And most important, suppose the virus goes away with warm weather like the cold virus. I can assure you, it will be back in the fall. This virus will be among the population perhaps permanently, coming back to reinfect every year. It will survive in the southern hemisphere when our summer approaches.
We will need to adjust for the next couple years until a vaccine is developed, and even then, people will get the virus and die. Once the panic is over, we will get back to some semblance of normal living. But the virus is here to stay. And I think it is a harbinger of the future. This is the first of a number of diseases that will begin to slim the ranks of people on earth.
When the population was around 3.75 billion, around 1972 or so, I had a bio professor tell me the planet is over populated, and that mother nature will unleash something to bring the population under control. When HIV/AIDS came along, I thought that was what would do it. It didn't. But now I see one new outbreak after another, and each will take its turn to reduce the population. I say the future in the middle of this century is bleak.
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Everyone is panicking. What if you have a regular normal 24 hour bug but you’re afraid it’s something more sinister?
Then you go get tested and really risk exposure to the real thing!
Oh, wait... :shrug:
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This post has true information, but it is also misleading.
First off, it is reported that for those over 60 with a health condition, the mortality rate is 49%.
And most important, suppose the virus goes away with warm weather like the cold virus. I can assure you, it will be back in the fall. This virus will be among the population perhaps permanently, coming back to reinfect every year. It will survive in the southern hemisphere when our summer approaches.
We will need to adjust for the next couple years until a vaccine is developed, and even then, people will get the virus and die. Once the panic is over, we will get back to some semblance of normal living. But the virus is here to stay. And I think it is a harbinger of the future. This is the first of a number of diseases that will begin to slim the ranks of people on earth.
When the population was around 3.75 billion, around 1972 or so, I had a bio professor tell me the planet is over populated, and that mother nature will unleash something to bring the population under control. When HIV/AIDS came along, I thought that was what would do it. It didn't. But now I see one new outbreak after another, and each will take its turn to reduce the population. I say the future in the middle of this century is bleak.
For the most part, HIV/AIDS is behaviourally controlled, and linked to behaviours which really aren't a large segment of the population. Not Pandemic stuff.
This is droplet borne, surface transferred, and has all the makings of something that is community acquired. That makes it a candidate, but not necessarily the great scythe of the Reaper.
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This post has true information, but it is also misleading.
First off, it is reported that for those over 60 with a health condition, the mortality rate is 49%.
And most important, suppose the virus goes away with warm weather like the cold virus. I can assure you, it will be back in the fall.
We can trust your every word, Dr. Epidemiologist.
When the population was around 3.75 billion, around 1972 or so, I had a bio professor tell me the planet is over populated, and that mother nature will unleash something to bring the population under control. When HIV/AIDS came along, I thought that was what would do it. It didn't.
Leftists always whine that there are "too many people". And exactly WHO is this "mother nature" that *she* unleashes diseases to *correct* the *overpopulation*? Pseudoscience prattled by someone who genuflects to Charles Darwin's hundred fifty year old tautology. "A>B>C>D" isn't science, it's nonsense. So is everything your "bio" professor told you.
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Some perspective:
More info at the links.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0309-covid-19-update.html (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0309-covid-19-update.html)
Transcript - CDC Media Telebriefing: Update on COVID-19 Wednesday, March 10, 2020
Reports out of China that looked at more than 70,000 COVID-19 patients found that about 80% of illness had — was mild and people recovered. 15 to 20% developed serious illness. Let’s talk about who those people are. So far it seems like it’s not children. Of the 70,000 cases, only about 2% were in people younger than 19. This seems to be a disease that affects adults. And most seriously older adults. Starting at age 60, there is an increasing risk of disease and the risk increases with age. The highest risk of serious illness and death is in people older than 80 years. People with serious underlying health conditions also are more likely to develop serious outcomes including death. The people who are at greatest risk are those older and who also have serious long-term health conditions like diabetes, heart disease, or lung disease.
Old age, sepsis tied to poor COVID-19 outcomes, death
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/old-age-sepsis-tied-poor-covid-19-outcomes-death (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/old-age-sepsis-tied-poor-covid-19-outcomes-death)
This is the first and largest study of the risk factors linked to severe COVID-19 infection and death in hospitalized adults who either died or were released from the hospital, the authors said. Of 191 patients, 137 were released, and 54 (28%) died in the hospital.
Co-existing conditions portend poor prognosis
The researchers compared clinical records, treatment data, laboratory results, and demographic data of survivors versus nonsurvivors. They evaluated the clinical course of symptoms, viral shedding, and changes in laboratory findings and used mathematical models.
On average, patients were middle-aged (median, 56 years), and 62% were men. The median time from illness onset to hospital release was 22 days, and the average time from onset to death was 18.5 days. Patients who died were, on average, 69 years old, versus 52 years in survivors.
Ninety-one (48%) patients had a coexisting condition, including high blood pressure (58 [30%]), diabetes (36 [19%]), and coronary heart disease (15 [8%]). Multivariable regression showed increasing odds of in-hospital death linked to advancing age (odds ratio, 1:10; 95% CI, 1.03 to 1.17; per-year increase, P = 0.0043). Half of the patients developed sepsis.
Coronary heart disease has also been linked to cardiac events and poor outcomes in patients with flu and other respiratory viral infections. "In this study, increased high-sensitivity cardiac troponin I during hospitalisation [indicating heart damage] was found in more than half of those who died," the authors wrote.
Complications such as respiratory failure (98%, 53/54 nonsurvivors vs 36%, 50/137 survivors), sepsis (100%, 54/54 vs 42%, 58/137), and secondary infections (50%, 27/54 vs 1%, 1/137) were also higher in those who died than in survivors.
The median length of fever was about 12 days in survivors, similar to that of nonsurvivors, and 45% of survivors still had a cough at hospital release. In survivors, shortness of breath ended after about 13 days.
Who is getting sick, and how sick? A breakdown of coronavirus risk by demographic factors
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/)
Old and young
The vast majority of cases in China — 87% — were in people ages 30 to 79, the China Center for Disease Control reported last month based on data from all 72,314 of those diagnosed with Covid-19 as of Feb. 11. That probably reflects something about biology more than lifestyle, such as being in frequent contact with other people. Teens and people in their 20s also encounter many others, at school and work and on public transit, yet they don’t seem to be contracting the disease at significant rates: Only 8.1% of cases were 20-somethings, 1.2% were teens, and 0.9% were 9 or younger. The World Health Organization mission to China found that 78% of the cases reported as of Feb. 20 were in people ages 30 to 69.
The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.
That bar graph has been posted elsewhere, so I won't.
The bottom line is that Age alone is not the factor, nearly so much as the underlying and often pre existing conditions which make a person more susceptible to any disease. However, while those conditions May increase mortality in any given age group, No recorded age group is suffering a 49% mortality, even with those complications.
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I will repeat and expand on my comment from another thread:
Yes, Covid-19 is like the flu. The open question is which flu is it more like: 2009 or 1968 (the rosiest estimates from actual medical sources I have found suggest they are the appropriate analogies) or 1918? The 1918 flu killed an estimated 50 million out of a world population of 1.8 billion, that's 2.8%, not of those with identified cases, not of those infected, 2.8% of everyone alive at the time. Yes, modern ICUs could have saved many of the 1918 victims, but we don't have enough ICU beds to deal with this if the peak infection numbers are too concentrated. We have about 45,000 ICU beds. If even 1% of the population over 60 were to need them that would come to more than 700,000 people.
On the other hand, your "no big deal" view has some merit, if you happen to be under the age of 10 (no fatalities), or even under the age of 20 (0.2% mortality among those identified as infected for ages 10-19). Most of us on this board are not.
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On the other hand, your "no big deal" view has some merit, if you happen to be under the age of 10 (no fatalities), or even under the age of 20 (0.2% mortality among those identified as infected for ages 10-19). Most of us on this board are not.
Thirty-eight dead to date in America. Panic to your heart's content. Fake News is your pied piper.
The 1918 Flu Pandemic killed 550,000 Americans on a far smaller population base. The same proportion of fatalities today would result in almost 2,000,000 fatalities. So 38 is truly Fake News and its followers Grave Reason For Panic and Ongoing Insane Rage.
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Thirty-eight dead to date in America. Panic to your heart's content. Fake News is your pied piper.
The 1918 Flu Pandemic killed 550,000 Americans on a far smaller population base. The same proportion of fatalities today would result in almost 2,000,000 fatalities. So 38 is truly Fake News and its followers Grave Reason For Panic and Ongoing Insane Rage.
Believe me...I'm not panicked. But it this can be contained it's not a bad thing. If people could have been contained in 1918 it might have helped? Do you have a better answer?
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The mainstream media is garbage.
They are the enemy of the people.
Dr. Milton Wolf on Twitter
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Believe me...I'm not panicked. But it this can be contained it's not a bad thing. If people could have been contained in 1918 it might have helped? Do you have a better answer?
1. You're panicked.
2. President Trump halted flights to and from Europe for thirty days. What more do you want?
3. Democrats have criticized everything Trump has done, ESPECIALLY trying to secure our southern border from illegal immigrants whose health is generally not well monitored. These are the poor with few prospects in Central America and Mexico, not to mention Europe. Lots of Muslims are coming to America illegally through our porous southern border that
Democrats have been so very hypocritical about. Four years ago, they were all for securing our borders and sending illegals home. NOW they call that "racism". Sick. Do you have an answer for that?
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The mainstream media is garbage.
They are the enemy of the people.
Dr. Milton Wolf on Twitter
Exactly Dr. Wolf. Sad that the dims and their complict MSM would stoop so low to destroy our economy to get Trump out of office.
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I will repeat and expand on my comment from another thread:
Yes, Covid-19 is like the flu. The open question is which flu is it more like: 2009 or 1968 (the rosiest estimates from actual medical sources I have found suggest they are the appropriate analogies) or 1918? The 1918 flu killed an estimated 50 million out of a world population of 1.8 billion, that's 2.8%, not of those with identified cases, not of those infected, 2.8% of everyone alive at the time. Yes, modern ICUs could have saved many of the 1918 victims, but we don't have enough ICU beds to deal with this if the peak infection numbers are too concentrated. We have about 45,000 ICU beds. If even 1% of the population over 60 were to need them that would come to more than 700,000 people.
On the other hand, your "no big deal" view has some merit, if you happen to be under the age of 10 (no fatalities), or even under the age of 20 (0.2% mortality among those identified as infected for ages 10-19). Most of us on this board are not.
The corona is different than the flu and much more contagious and the symptoms are more severe, especially in the elderly.
In watching Trump address the nation today, right now they are trying to stay ahead of the spread of this virus and contain it. They have teamed up with the public sector; Google, Walmart, Walgreen's, CVS, Target, Quest Diagnostics, Lab Corp, to be able to provide rapid testing and drive-thru testing with a quick response time to determine if one is infected. Those who do not display symptoms, don't need to be tested. If you need elective surgery, it is best to postpone, but certainly people who have a heart attack, or need other emergency medical attention should be all means go to the hospital.
IMHO people who have the sniffles and want the doc to make them more comfortable or are using the ER to get immediate care for the common cold, allergies, etc., are robbing others from true immediate care.
Corona is more severe than the flu. It is not a flu virus, but a coronavirus (I was corrected by another poster and they were absolutely correct).
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1. You're panicked.
2. President Trump halted flights to and from Europe for thirty days. What more do you want?
3. Democrats have criticized everything Trump has done, ESPECIALLY trying to secure our southern border from illegal immigrants whose health is generally not well monitored. These are the poor with few prospects in Central America and Mexico, not to mention Europe. Lots of Muslims are coming to America illegally through our porous southern border that
Democrats have been so very hypocritical about. Four years ago, they were all for securing our borders and sending illegals home. NOW they call that "racism". Sick. Do you have an answer for that?
Hmmmm...not sure you understood my post at all. :laugh: But that's o.k.
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Call it fake news if you want.
We don't need to have happen to us, what has happened to Iran, Italy or China.
Sometimes, you have to learn from others.
No country, not Russia, the UK, no one is taking this lightly.
H1N1, ah, yes, 2009 and people like Cotton talk about it and Cruz self-isolates. So, their voices mean something too.
H1N1, not on the sign.
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Everyone is panicking. What if you have a regular normal 24 hour bug but you’re afraid it’s something more sinister?
Find the symptoms of Coronavirus such as dry cough and breathlesnes. I saw a chart on how it compares to flu.
@Gefn
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Call it fake news if you want.
No one here is calling it fake. No one here is saying it isn't serious. What it is is a hysteric panic that you have helped pertpetuate. You've taken the dim and MSM narrative, like a hook and sinker. This week my wife and I both visited our physcians for physicals, and they pretty much echo what I am saying on thisi post.
Good common sense public health measures should be in effect, with focus and resources directed mostly toward those who are elderly and /or with pre-existing conditons. Yes, sadly some people will die who are mostly in the two groups I mentioned. Including potentially me, who is 63. Am I taking common sense precautions....Yes. Should everyone else? Yes. But OTOH, shutting down our economy will do much more hardship and damage to our society than this virus.
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Corona is more severe than the flu.
Than what you and I are used to as flu absolutely. More severe than the 1918 flu? That's not so clear. Right now Covid-19 has a mortality rate among those identified as having it of about 2.8%. To be as deadly as the 1918 flu, everyone on the face of the globe will have to come down with it. It might happen, but seems unlikely.
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Exactly Dr. Wolf. Sad that the dims and their complicit MSM would stoop so low to destroy our economy to get Trump out of office.
If people just realize we have a better chance of rebuilding a panic/pandemic damaged economy under the current administration than any of the proposed alternatives so far, I don't think this will work in the Communists/Socialists/Leftists/Progressives/fellow travelers & useful idiots favor.
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Than what you and I are used to as flu absolutely. More severe than the 1918 flu? That's not so clear. Right now Covid-19 has a mortality rate among those identified as having it of about 2.8%. To be as deadly as the 1918 flu, everyone on the face of the globe will have to come down with it. It might happen, but seems unlikely.
If the reports are coming out of China are accurate, their cases are declining, so that is a bit of good news. Keep in mind, that in 1918, people didn't live close to each other in cities like we do now. That is the concern. In my county cases are continuing to double every day.
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Already heard this from Q friend. Feeding conspiracy that this was a Rothchild manipulation.
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Exactly Dr. Wolf. Sad that the dims and their complict MSM would stoop so low to destroy our economy to get Trump out of office.
"By Any Means Neccessary"
"Never let a Crisis go to Waste"
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This post didn't age well... Corona needs to be taken seriously because the virus has several factors in it that help it's spread... and so far we don't know how many of them are not fully known... Factors like the life span on surfaces has been reported longer than expected... the ability for normally healthy looking folks to be carriers... the number of mutations of this virus... whether you can get it more than once... stuff I pointed out several times and basically got ignored...
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SIGN ON A DOCTOR'S OFFICE
Every election year has a disease
SARS 2004
AVIAN 2008
SWINE 2010
MERS 2012
EBOLA 2014
ZIKA 2016
EBOLA 2018
CORONA 2020
FACTS
Coronavirus has a contagion factor of 2. Sars was 4. Measles is 18.
Coronavirus has a cure rate of 99.7% for those under 50 it infects.
Coronavirus spread is leveling off.
This is a viral pneumonia being hyped as the Black Plague before an election.
Partly false claim: “Every election year has a diseaseâ€
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-year-diseases/partly-false-claim-every-election-year-has-a-disease-idUSKBN20S2X0)
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/facebook-posts/no-connection-between-us-national-elections-and-in/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/facebook-posts/no-connection-between-us-national-elections-and-in/)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coronavirus-meme/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coronavirus-meme/)
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-not-every-u-s-election-year-has-had-a-disease-outbreak-and-covid-19-transmissibility-is-unconfirmed/ (https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-not-every-u-s-election-year-has-had-a-disease-outbreak-and-covid-19-transmissibility-is-unconfirmed/)
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What it is is a hysteric panic that you have helped pertpetuate. You've taken the dim and MSM narrative, like a hook and sinker.
I really like @catfish1957 but I don't think @TomSea is responsible for our collapsing economy.
rosanne cash @rosannecash
Just a reminder that when Shakespeare was quarantined because of the plague, he wrote King Lear.
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Should have been more fear for Ebola than this event. Now that is a scary contagin.
Ebola is scary. It is highly infectious and has a high case fatality rate (CFR). However, it is not highly contagious. And there is a difference. In order to contract Ebola, you have to come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person - urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen. A person can only spread Ebola to other people after they develop signs and symptoms of Ebola. It is not a respiratory disease and therefore not spread by coughing or sneezing such as colds, influenza or COVID-19 and those can be passed on to others by people who are asymptomatic.
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I really like @catfish1957 but I don't think @TomSea is responsible for our collapsing economy.
rosanne cash @rosannecash
Just a reminder that when Shakespeare was quarantined because of the plague, he wrote King Lear.
Brilliant play but Cordelia died! :(
Btw, I’m pretty sure my tri state area will go to quarantines too soon. I hope I’m wrong.
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I really like @catfish1957 but I don't think @TomSea is responsible for our collapsing economy.
rosanne cash @rosannecash
Just a reminder that when Shakespeare was quarantined because of the plague, he wrote King Lear.
Moderator Note:
@catfish1957
Please make your points without ad homs, that's against the rules.
You're in my wheelhouse now. Complain against the moderators if you must.
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(Discuss the issues, not each other.)
Did @ ??? post the story about 250 people dying in Italy last night? Coronavirus in Italy is like ‘a world war’ as death toll soars https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
Ignorance is bliss.
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No one here is calling it fake. No one here is saying it isn't serious.
Hmmm, the title of this thread is "Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL" it appears the author is not taking the virus seriously.
Numbers from China and Iran can not be trusted. The numbers coming from Italy (a modern, western nation) look bad so I think it would be a good idea to take this very seriously, particularly if you are over 50 or if you have health issues. This is not the flu and it is not a common cold. We will know in a few weeks that exactly we are dealing with. Until then it is wise to be cautious.
Curious how does breathing thru your noise prevent a virus from infecting you? Nasal hairs catch large particles not tiny viruses.
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Did @TomSea post the story about 250 people dying in Italy last night? Coronavirus in Italy is like ‘a world war’ as death toll soars https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/
Ignorance is bliss.
250? Yes, and that is sad. Again, though what was the demographic? The very old, and the very ill are very susceptible.
p.s., not sounding callous, as I am old myself. On another thread, I noted that I thought the whole mess has been mis-directed, by not moblizing resources toward those most a risk.
BTW... Do you also realize that about 3,000 people in the U.S. have died this year's flu season?
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250? Yes, and that is sad. Again, though what was the demographic? The very old, and the very ill are very susceptible.
p.s., not sounding callous, as I am old myself. On another thread, I noted that I thought the whole mess has been mis-directed, by not moblizing resources toward those most a risk.
BTW... Do you also realize that about 3,000 people in the U.S. have died this year's flu season?
22K deaths this season. We agree on the underlying facts. You do sound callous, but you are not my President.
The problem is the message, attitude, and response of my President. I think he sucks at crises because he is a Narcissistic sociopath and has no personal experience with human emotions like sympathy, empathy or respect for people as valuable in and of themselves, even when they couldn't satiate his desire for sexual gratification, ego-stroking, wealth production, or power.
I pray I'm wrong, but I think the deaths are just starting now, and it will be hundreds if not thousands, because of the delay in taking it seriously.
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One of the articles I read said the virus can mutate... it can go the way of the common cold and get weaker or it could mutate and get more deadlier.
I don't know how much that should influence how we look at this. What if it mutated and got deadlier. What are the chances of it doing something like that? What if the chance of it doing that is even?
It certainly seems like something that is not good to have in the general population, to spread at a basketball game or however.
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Hmmm, the title of this thread is "Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL" it appears the author is not taking the virus seriously.
40 Americans dead to date. Panic all you want. 2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans. How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"? No.
Until then it is wise to be cautious.
Panicking and buying oversupplies of toilet paper, water and food is not "caution." It is silliness prompted by Fake News.
Curious how does breathing thru your noise prevent a virus from infecting you? Nasal hairs catch large particles not tiny viruses.
My but aren't you clever. "Breathe through your nose" is a phrase meant to convey calm, rather than panic, when people hyperventilate and breathe through their open mouths. Why don't you look up the etiology. I already know what it means.
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One of the articles I read said the virus can mutate... it can go the way of the common cold and get weaker or it could mutate and get more deadlier.
Oh my !! If it gets any "more deadlier" that will be "more scarier"! 40 people dead so far when the 2017-2018 flu killed 80,000.
Do you even understand what "mutate" means? Pathogens which are said to "develop resistance" were already resistant to antimicrobial drugs. They simply multiplied as those NOT resistant died off.
I don't know how much that should influence how we look at this. What if it mutated and got deadlier. What are the chances of it doing something like that? What if the chance of it doing that is even?
What if the fatality rate went from 0.7%, as it currently is in South Korea where they have done extensive testing, to 1.4%!
Wouldn't that be more scarier and more deadlier. 200 Americans could die instead of the 80,000 who died of flu in 2017-2018.
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One of the articles I read said the virus can mutate... it can go the way of the common cold and get weaker or it could mutate and get more deadlier.
I don't know how much that should influence how we look at this. What if it mutated and got deadlier. What are the chances of it doing something like that? What if the chance of it doing that is even?
It certainly seems like something that is not good to have in the general population, to spread at a basketball game or however.
ANY virus can mutate, from Ebola to the common cold.
Influenza mutates commonly, so commonly that the vaccines proffered each year contain varying hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) subtypes, sometimes successfully anticipating that year's subtypes, sometimes not.
In most viral outbreaks, the mutations have been away from more deadly to more contagious forms.
The first person to die in the US, was in Washington State, two weeks ago. Forty nine have died as of this morning, over half related to that facility in Washington.
To put that in perspective, in the US in the same time, some 240 people have been killed in pedestrian/vehicle accidents:
You are roughly 5 times more likely to die crossing the street.
In that time period, using average numbers, 1530 people have died in car accidents.
You are 50 times more likely to get killed driving to the store looking for toilet paper or bottled water than of the virus.
No one in the US under 40 has died of the virus.
Now being in the under 40 age group is a dim memory for me, but I remain unconcerned because of the virus itself, and far more worried about the effects of the ginned up panic over it.
It is inherently obvious that there are political motivations to destroy the economy, crash the markets and generally cause pain to people in America, that can and will be used for political purposes.
After all,
Never let a crisis go to waste!--even if you have to create it!
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40 Americans dead to date. Panic all you want. 2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans. How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"? No.
Panicking and buying oversupplies of toilet paper, water and food is not "caution." It is silliness prompted by Fake News.
My but aren't you clever. "Breathe through your nose" is a phrase meant to convey calm, rather than panic, when people hyperventilate and breathe through their open mouths. Why don't you look up the etiology. I already know what it means.
Yes, but....it just proves how easy it is for the deep state elitists to "herd" the morons into doing whatever they want them to do. That's the really scary part. That this is probably just a run-up to what 'else' they plan on testing.
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Yes, but....it just proves how easy it is for the deep state elitists to "herd" the morons into doing whatever they want them to do. That's the really scary part. That this is probably just a run-up to what 'else' they plan on testing.
Maybe the tinfoil brigade can point to us as to what country is not taking actions? Canada? Nope, Russia? Nope. Australia? Nope... Poland? Nope. Doesn't seem to fit in to the conspiracy.
"DeBlasio, NYC schools to stay open", well, how about that, the heart of liberalism isn't exercising control here.
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-14/bill-de-blasio-new-york-city-schools-to-stay-open-for-now (https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-14/bill-de-blasio-new-york-city-schools-to-stay-open-for-now)
Just fun to say, this is an attempt to control our lives.
To play the Devil's advocate, tin foil conspiracies could also say, these views benefit Beijing, it kind of takes them off the hook for spreading this disease in the first place and their government hiding what they knew or at least, what they were told.
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"Disinformation" is a mark of Communist propagandists, I certainly do not call anyone that... but sometimes, we must be alert to what we hear,
As shown, China has come out with conspiracies blaming the US which of course, we know is a joke. Undoubtedly some, are blaming the Deep State and Feds and Elites. I'm not sure if it adds up.
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A couple of points here:
The cancellations of large group gatherings here in Ohio are not part of some government dictate. They have been made out of thoughtfulness and care for the people involved. Not panic, but concern for the safety of others.
Some things that have been canceled locally voluntarily:
Private schools run by Christians and/or Conservatives
Church services with Christian and politically Conservative pastors, including community lunches changed from gatherings to food boxes for the needy
Concerts
Athletic events
The local Salvation Army is considering adapting its food ministry.
The local Fitness Center has cancelled group classes while keeping the gym open and requesting that the cleanliness always expected continues.
Gov. DeWine (who is not my favorite politician) has suggested that things be cancelled for the next few weeks, but there is no government mandate forcing it.
This is a very real health situation, and taking care to minimize social contact is just the kind, considerate thing to do.
Turning it into a media or leftist conspiracy doesn't consider that well read, thoughtful Conservatives are part of the decisions to cancel and postpone events.
The left is certainly blowing it up and trying to use it against Republicans, but once things have calmed down, I think people will respect the decisions leaders of churches and schools and community events have made.
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A couple of points here:
The cancellations of large group gatherings here in Ohio are not part of some government dictate. They have been made out of thoughtfulness and care for the people involved. Not panic, but concern for the safety of others.
Some things that have been canceled locally voluntarily:
Private schools run by Christians and/or Conservatives
Church services with Christian and politically Conservative pastors, including community lunches changed from gatherings to food boxes for the needy
Concerts
Athletic events
The local Salvation Army is considering adapting its food ministry.
The local Fitness Center has cancelled group classes while keeping the gym open and requesting that the cleanliness always expected continues.
Gov. DeWine (who is not my favorite politician) has suggested that things be cancelled for the next few weeks, but there is no government mandate forcing it.
This is a very real health situation, and taking care to minimize social contact is just the kind, considerate thing to do.
Turning it into a media or leftist conspiracy doesn't consider that well read, thoughtful Conservatives are part of the decisions to cancel and postpone events.
The left is certainly blowing it up and trying to use it against Republicans, but once things have calmed down, I think people will respect the decisions leaders of churches and schools and community events have made.
I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.
However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.
That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.
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I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.
However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.
That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.
And....whether these idiots intend to hoard the items for themselves or sell them at an inflated price....it is selfish, stupid and evil. Local government should announce stiff legal penalties for anyone caught selling stuff like this for profit.
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I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related
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I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.
However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.
That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.
Of course, of course. The panic is absurd (but as I have stated elsewhere, also human nature when people are afraid).
The point of my post was that it is a real disease which is spreading quickly and common sense measures to stop people from gathering together and potentially getting infected are not part of some deep state or leftwing conspiracy.
This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.
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I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related
Even then it doesn't make sense.
The TP stuff is just plain weird.
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I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related
An unfortunate misnomer is that the influenza virus (FLU) and various varieties of GI tract maladies (like Norovirus) are both called "flu" by a large part of the population.
Perhaps that is the problem.
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The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses. They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.
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The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses. They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.
Here in Ohio some are suggesting buying University of Michigan gear at Walmart to use as TP. :cool:
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Maybe the tinfoil brigade can point to us as to what country is not taking actions? Canada? Nope, Russia? Nope. Australia? Nope... Poland? Nope. Doesn't seem to fit in to the conspiracy.
"DeBlasio, NYC schools to stay open", well, how about that, the heart of liberalism isn't exercising control here.
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-14/bill-de-blasio-new-york-city-schools-to-stay-open-for-now (https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-14/bill-de-blasio-new-york-city-schools-to-stay-open-for-now)
Just fun to say, this is an attempt to control our lives.
To play the Devil's advocate, tin foil conspiracies could also say, these views benefit Beijing, it kind of takes them off the hook for spreading this disease in the first place and their government hiding what they knew or at least, what they were told.
Deblasio was just admitting the Schools are in the business of feeding kids and not much else. He stated in his speech he was keeping the schools open because of the breakfasts and lunches.
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An unfortunate misnomer is that the influenza virus (FLU) and various varieties of GI tract maladies (like Norovirus) are both called "flu" by a large part of the population.
Perhaps that is the problem.
That's very true.
I've had pt's that have said, "I think I have the flu" and they describe GI symptoms
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Of course, of course. The panic is absurd (but as I have stated elsewhere, also human nature when people are afraid).
The point of my post was that it is a real disease which is spreading quickly and common sense measures to stop people from gathering together and potentially getting infected are not part of some deep state or leftwing conspiracy.
This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.
Well, speaking of common sense, there was a time when if you were sick, or living with someone who had something 'catching', you didn't go out in public, didn't send the kids off to school, etc.
John Prine had it right. Common Sense isn't very common any more.
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Well, speaking of common sense, there was a time when if you were sick, or living with someone who had something 'catching', you didn't go out in public, didn't send the kids off to school, etc.
John Prine had it right. Common Sense isn't very common any more.
Truer words were ne’er spoken.
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If the reports are coming out of China are accurate, their cases are declining, so that is a bit of good news. Keep in mind, that in 1918, people didn't live close to each other in cities like we do now. That is the concern. In my county cases are continuing to double every day.
Good post, also your other one that I lost track of discussing China.
We have to be on guard on all variables and all angles in this because there is a lot we don't know. What we do know is where it came from and where it rambled absolutely out of control. And where it may well have been covered up at first.
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[quote author=DeerSlayer link=topic=394834.msg2167310#msg2167310 date=158405478
Leftists always whine that there are "too many people". And exactly WHO is this "mother nature" that *she* unleashes diseases to *correct* the *overpopulation*? Pseudoscience prattled by someone who genuflects to Charles Darwin's hundred fifty year old tautology. "A>B>C>D" isn't science, it's nonsense. So is everything your "bio" professor told you.
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The Greeks defined pandemics as the consequence of ignorant/incompetent behavior be it
during Ancient times, Medieval times (Bubonic Plague) or Modern times (Spanish Influenza).
The Great War was fought from trenches that were the bedrooms, bathrooms and mess-halls of millions of soldiers, many suffering wounds.
Yet leadership 100 years past, never grasped the impact this would have on the civilian
populations of Europe, when the soldiers went home in 1918.
When Man ignores common sense and wisdom, Mother Nature steps up to teach him an
unforgettable lesson. Believing otherwise is conceit!
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Deblasio was just admitting the Schools are in the business of feeding kids and not much else. He stated in his speech he was keeping the schools open because of the breakfasts and lunches.
In addition to feeding kids, public schools do a great deal of brainwashing and turning children into automatons UNLESS their parents guide them away from it.
http://TheEducationFraud.wordpress.com (http://TheEducationFraud.wordpress.com)
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This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.
NO it DOESN'T "make sense" to panic.
55 deaths in the U.S. to date and you're panicking like Fake News wants everyone to do.
Let me repeat, because you don't seem to have gotten it yet:
80,000 deaths in 2017-2018 flu season. Knock, knock. Anyone home?
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NO it DOESN'T "make sense" to panic.
55 deaths in the U.S. to date and you're panicking like Fake News wants everyone to do.
Let me repeat, because you don't seem to have gotten it yet:
80,000 deaths in 2017-2018 flu season. Knock, knock. Anyone home?
It doesn't make sense to panic, but this isn't the flu. That is what people who keep bringing up stats on the flu needs to remember. The flu is the flu virus and this is a new corona virus. The severity of the virus is worse than the flu, the mortality rate is higher and we still don't fully know how this virus is going to impact the U.S. Europe and China didn't fare so well, especially Italy which right now is still in lock down and has an 8% mortality rate. So, yes, people are reacting. I'd rather error on the side of being too cautious here, but I don't think we are.
Two weeks ago we only had a couple of corona cases in FL, today, we have 77. Washington is now close to having 600 cases. So as the number of cases continues to increase, so will the deaths.
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The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses. They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.
... And a lot of folks use it for snot rags.
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... And a lot of folks use it for snot rags.
Yabbut, paper towels work, too, and when I was last in the store, that aisle was fully stocked, and the TP was empty. (Of course, paper towels will do for the other end, too, not just as snot rags, but they might plug plumbing, so disposal would have to be different...
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The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses. They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.
I just got back from - where else - Trader Joes and you are right. Now food is being hoarded.
I didn't expect people to freak out to this degree, but the shelves were practically cleared off.
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Yabbut, paper towels work, too, and when I was last in the store, that aisle was fully stocked, and the TP was empty. (Of course, paper towels will do for the other end, too, not just as snot rags, but they might plug plumbing, so disposal would have to be different...
Yeah.... dunno. All I can tell you is that all the women I know, when they are sick, have a roll of TP handy and fill trash cans with em by the bucket load. :shrug:
I have sleeves.
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Yeah.... dunno. All I can tell you is that all the women I know, when they are sick, have a roll of TP handy and fill trash cans with em by the bucket load. :shrug:
I have sleeves.
:nono:
Well, that oughta keep yer arms warm! (just kidding).
No sense in putting snail trails all over them.
Snurrrrrf! (>spit!<)
:silly:
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I just got back from - where else - Trader Joes and you are right. Now food is being hoarded.
I didn't expect people to freak out to this degree, but the shelves were practically cleared off.
Well I have heard that toilet paper is digestible so if you run out of food there is that
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:nono:
Well, that oughta keep yer arms warm! (just kidding).
No sense in putting snail trails all over them.
Snurrrrrf! (>spit!<)
:silly:
LOL! Just kidding around... I wouldn't be a redneck boy without a bandana sized hanky... Actually two- One clean one to offer the lady... Actually three if you count the one that's being a bandana. :shrug:
See. It's complicated.
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LOL! Just kidding around... I wouldn't be a redneck boy without a bandana sized hanky... Actually two- One clean one to offer the lady... Actually three if you count the one that's being a bandana. :shrug:
See. It's complicated.
Keep one to chase down the cling-ons when you close off one nostril and blast the other one out over the fence....
(Yeah, I'm kidding around, too, but it isn't anything we haven't both (at least) seen).
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Well I have heard that toilet paper is digestible so if you run out of food there is that
I went to the store early this morning to pick up some milk, check to see if any hand sanitizer was available. I got up early to get to the store when they opened. What a zoo!! Food supply wasn't too bad, but tp, paper towels were available (limit 1 per customer) and going very quickly, but hand sanitizer was still not available and disinfecting wipes were flying off the shelves. I left around 8:30 and those shelves were completely bare by then. Food stock next door was ok, but not as stocked as usual. I feel for the people who waited later in the day to shop or had to work. The shelves will be bare unless they get another truck in -- my guess, probably not till Monday.
I'm staying put and not venturing out any more. I've got lots of powdered milk that I'll start using as well as plenty of food and paper goods. I have an older large bottle of hand sanitizer that has expired and read that it would be no good -- so if I don't go out -- don't need the sanitizer.
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I went to the store early this morning to pick up some milk, check to see if any hand sanitizer was available. I got up early to get to the store when they opened. What a zoo!! Food supply wasn't too bad, but tp, paper towels were available (limit 1 per customer) and going very quickly, but hand sanitizer was still not available and disinfecting wipes were flying off the shelves. I left around 8:30 and those shelves were completely bare by then. Food stock next door was ok, but not as stocked as usual. I feel for the people who waited later in the day to shop or had to work. The shelves will be bare unless they get another truck in -- my guess, probably not till Monday.
I'm staying put and not venturing out any more. I've got lots of powdered milk that I'll start using as well as plenty of food and paper goods. I have an older large bottle of hand sanitizer that has expired and read that it would be no good -- so if I don't go out -- don't need the sanitizer.
We don't go out much...tonight was an exception. GOP District fundraiser. Our speakers were both no-shows. One was Paul Gosar, who self-quarantened in DeeCee and the other was the State Attorney General, who backed out because the State Party didn't want him crossing the river into Nevada right now, which was where the fundraiser is. (All the good ballrooms are in Laughlin, NV and we're on the other side of the Colorado River in AZ.) My County Supervisor friend didn't come because her boyfriend exposed her to something worse than COVID, which is bad.
Turn out was good, the Auction and Raffles raised a bunch of money, so it's all good. Now, back to the kitties and our full pantry for a while. 888tapping cat 88888walking kitty 8888sitting kitty 8888spinning cat 8889whatkitty 888heartkitty ***evilkitty
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@mystery-ak
Never seen such abuse of power by a moderator on a forum There were no personal attacks. I was bringing up the point that indiviudal was fanning the flames of a panic with their 24/7 alarmist rhetoric, while in essence...... There has not been one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either under 50 and /or pre-existing conditions.
Yes, this is a serious matter, but contributing to the mania is not helpful.
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40 Americans dead to date. Panic all you want. 2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans. How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"? No.
I don't know why you are accusing me of panicking. I haven't gone shopping in several weeks and do not plan on shopping until things calm down. Until then I'll just get what I need at the local convenience store. You seem to be the one over reacting just because some people are taking very reasonable precautions to keep themselves and their families safe.
As I have said we do not know yet exactly what we are dealing with. Until we know more it is wise to be cautious. An oz of prevention is worth a lb of cure.
FYI the number of dead is now 60+ with almost 3,000 confirmed cases.
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@mystery-ak
Never seen such abuse of power by a moderator on a forum There were no personal attacks. I was bringing up the point that indiviudal was fanning the flames of a panic with their 24/7 alarmist rhetoric, while in essence...... There has not been one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either under 50 and /or pre-existing conditions.
Yes, this is a serious matter, but contributing to the mania is not helpful.
Calling someone "chicken little" and accusing them of trying to stir panic is a personal attack, this is the news.
And so what about there not being one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either 50 and/or pre-existing conditions. Big deal.
Talk is Italy took this lightly, people did not worry about it and now they are in very serious shape. With that view, we could follow and that is besides the point of having to use respirators, defibrillators, hospital beds, so really, your point isn't really that relevant in dealing with the crises.
And the rest I'll drop though, it can be refuted as well. Time to talk about the subjects and not trying to slight others.
If one keeps up this disruption, perhaps, there will be more postings deleted.
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40 Americans dead to date. Panic all you want. 2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans. How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"? No.
Panicking and buying oversupplies of toilet paper, water and food is not "caution." It is silliness prompted by Fake News.
My but aren't you clever. "Breathe through your nose" is a phrase meant to convey calm, rather than panic, when people hyperventilate and breathe through their open mouths. Why don't you look up the etiology. I already know what it means.
There is chatter, I can't confirm it but that Italy is having it's very serious problems now, because they did not take the threat seriously.
I don't know about panicking or not, we can not be sure either way but those saying, "oh, let's not worry about it", per some people, that's what Italy did. Now look at them? And then, look at Taiwan or look at South Korea? The latter two took it very seriously.
I'm not trying to persuade anyone one way or another, I will discuss the matter and give my view on what I think we should be doing.
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250? Yes, and that is sad. Again, though what was the demographic? The very old, and the very ill are very susceptible.
I've read that Italy is fighting against tidal wave of unhealthy demographics @catfish1957
What I'm not reading is any first hand reporting on the efficiency and accessibility of Italy's socialized medicine. I'd like to know more about this before the democrats use the coronavirus as evidence the US needs government run healthcare.
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If one keeps up this disruption, perhaps, there will be more postings deleted.
@mystery-ak
From. a "BIASED" moderator who has a history of accusing people who didn't support Trump in '16 as the same as alQaeda and the Taliban? You thought I forgot about that one didn't you?
You are the problem.
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There is chatter, I can't confirm it but that Italy is having it's very serious problems now, because they did not take the threat seriously.
This really isn't accurate. Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.
They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.
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I've read that Italy is fighting against tidal wave of unhealthy demographics @catfish1957
What I'm not reading is any first hand reporting on the efficiency and accessibility of Italy's socialized medicine. I'd like to know more about this before the democrats use the coronavirus as evidence the US needs government run healthcare.
RIV...
The dims have already used this issue for political gain. Friday, NY's governenor even slipped and said this crisis might just go another 8 or 9 months. That was no accident. If there is any way they can angle this for their advantage they will.
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We will allow this thread to remain open and posted too as a single posting, "Calm Down etc. etc.", but at some point, it probably would be best to merge any coronavirus thread into one big one. That may be days away.
It's okay but let's remember, post #1 has no link, no real source...I do see it seems to be something that is going around being posted.
The claim originated from a post (archived here) published by Kristin Flor on March 9, 2020, under the title "Posted at a Doctors office today." It opened:
Every election year has a disease
SARS - 2004
AVIAN - 2008
SWINE - 2010
MERS - 2012
EBOLA - 2014
ZIKA - 2016
EBOLA - 2018
CORONA - 2020
The post presented a timeline of global outbreaks and tied them to corresponding election years in the United States. The problem with this approach is that most of the pandemics and epidemics originated outside North America. In some cases, the U.S. was not largely impacted by the disease outbreaks.
More: https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3471876-fact-check-every-us-election-year-does-not-have-a-disease.html
Zika and Ebola did not really impact us nor the elections of that year. One can disagree.
Also, at the least, I think we knew there was a coronavirus case in early December 2019, so if we are talking about the coronavirus, one can easily say it starts in 2019.
Coronavirus: First case in China emerged in November, nearly two months before official confirmation
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It is believed that the first double-digit daily toll occurred on December 17 and the total number of infections had increased to 266 by December 31.
More: https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3471876-fact-check-every-us-election-year-does-not-have-a-disease.html
So, if one wants to run with the claim by saying "not officially diagnosed until January 7th, 2020" by the Chinese, fine....there is also the tale of those whistleblowers who started talking about this.
SARS is another one, I know we were hearing about it but does anyone really want to claim this had some sort of deep effect on the election? Like Kerry would have defeated Bush?
By this graphic, SARS started way before 2004, that election year. First recognized by WHO in 2003
(https://leadstories.com/assets_c/2020/03/xScreen,P20Shot,P202020-03-10,P20at,P208.54.44,P20AM-thumb-900xauto-3063205.png.pagespeed.ic.qVT7AOPdUv.png)
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This really isn't accurate. Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.
They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.
That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.
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This really isn't accurate. Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.
They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.
These are factors and the age issue has been discussed quite a bit in all of these threads.
I'm not sure one can discount what I said though. That a lot of them ignored the possibility.
ITALY “AT THE LIMITâ€
Italy and South Korea are more than 5,000 miles apart, but there are several similarities when it comes to coronavirus. Both countries’ main outbreaks were initially clustered in smaller cities or towns, rather than in a major metropolis - which meant the disease quickly threatened local health services. And both involved doctors who decided to ignore testing guidelines.
Italy’s epidemic kicked off last month. A local man with flu symptoms was diagnosed after he had told medical staff he had not been to China and discharged himself, said Massimo Lombardo, head of local hospital services in Lodi.
https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN20Z285
Also, PhD, health professional mentioned this as well. Italy probably didn't take it serious enough. That was already posted, here is her twitter:
https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh
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That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.
With the singular exception of a near socialist government and a socialist medical system. Which is likely to be at fault.
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This is who posted it, Jenan Moussa:
Jenan Moussa
@jenanmoussa
Italy reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of #COVID19.
3497 new cases - a 20% increase in 24 hrs.
Authorities cited irresponsible behavior by citizens, who despite warnings headed to beaches or ski resorts, especially after closure of schools.
Then, links to an AP article and it says exactly what she posted:
The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.
https://apnews.com/fd1743f8b54b17310cc6e4b3445f2914?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
So, the authorities said so.
What I said was accurate.
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Coronavirus survivors may suffer from reduced lung function
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-survivors-may-suffer-from-reduced-lung-function/
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Please don’t ridicule people for “overreacting†to the Chinese coronavirus. They’re just trying to protect their families, workers, students, athletes—all of us, really. Instead, think how you can help those in need.
Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.
Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting. Here are some facts you continue to ignore:
1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far. Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".
2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies? Tell the readers please.
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1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.
56...57...58...59 since you last checked.
60
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
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Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.
Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting. Here are some facts you continue to ignore:
1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far. Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".
2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies? Tell the readers please.
One thing at a time. And we have to see the inaccurate news stories to rebut them, so reporting on them is not "overreacting," it's just another workday on TBR. It's what we do. And, BTW, I think you are pretty good at it. You're a valued Member of our Forum. Your blogs are excellent!
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Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.
Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting. Here are some facts you continue to ignore:
1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far. Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".
2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies? Tell the readers please.
Again, saying someone is "overreacting" is not proper and that personalizes it some. Also, I think most of us are aware of the "only 55 fatalities", let's just say, a lot of the folks here are aware of the statistics. So, this is just repeating what's in the thread already.
I don't find this to be a strong argument, what if someone turned the argument around and said, "this (and NOT your) kind of behavior will get millions killed!"
That's the flipside of the coin, we've seen it happen in Italy, China, Iran, we've seen what can happen if it's left to fester. We have who I assume is Trump's own chosen Surgeon General, we have Senators Graham, Cruz, Scott all go into self-isolation or self-quarantine. And the apparent point man for the Republicans, Tom Cotton, who seems to be driving a lot of the GOP response.
Also, for all of the talk about left wing socialism, imagine, imagine if the Chinese did this thing, even by accident. We let something the Chinese created create mayhem and kill our own citizens? That doesn't sound too patriotic to me.
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Russia and China specialize in disinformation.
Though, I don't think anyone here is doing it and I would not blame what they read to form their opinions or however they reach their conclusions, I do think it would be possible for a Russia or a China to spread disinformation on this.
I understand that Russia knows US political divisions and that they will exploit these divisions to create chaos. If one researches the matter a bit deeply, one might see this.
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Russia and China specialize in disinformation.
Though, I don't think anyone here is doing it and I would not blame what they read to form their opinions or however they reach their conclusions, I do think it would be possible for a Russia or a China to spread disinformation on this.
I understand that Russia knows US political divisions and that they will exploit these divisions to create chaos. If one researches the matter a bit deeply, one might see this.
One need not spend a lot of effort to see that. There was an entire investigation and report by one Robert Mueller that demonstrated it in living color, for those who care to take off the partisan goggles long enough to read what was actually written in the report. Russia likes to foment divisions in who they still consider to be a mortal enemy. Well, DUH!
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Worldwide, the Recovery:Death ratio has risen to 12.7. In Hubei province, it has reached 17.6.
@truth_seeker posted this (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394990.msg2169322.html#msg2169322) on another thread. It is highly pertinent.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=zfjcEiW-Rzc&feature=emb_logo#)
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FYI the number of dead is now 60+ with almost 3,000 confirmed cases.
O.M.G. 60 DEAD ! ! ! ! !
Your panic is the creative fantasy of Fake News. They simply love people such as you who quake at their lies.
Let me repeat again, because Panickers like you have yet to get the message:
80,000 flu deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.
Got it?
You didn't stock up on crap and self quarantine then, but you do now. Insane.
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@DeerSlayer I've known @jpsb for a very long time, and he's not prone to panicking. He's just reporting what's going on.
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How many deaths did China, Iran and Italy originally have? Zero.
Why has this brought them to their knees?
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O.M.G. 60 DEAD ! ! ! ! !
Your panic is the creative fantasy of Fake News. They simply love people such as you who quake at their lies.
Let me repeat again, because Panickers like you have yet to get the message:
80,000 flu deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.
Got it?
You didn't stock up on crap and self quarantine then, but you do now. Insane.
National Review:
Yes, Coronavirus Is Worse Than the Flu
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/yes-coronavirus-is-worse-than-the-flu/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/yes-coronavirus-is-worse-than-the-flu/)
Thanks for this, you prove a point, every source will tell you the Coronavirus is much more contagious and dangerous than most strains of the flu, so if the flu killed 800,000 in that one year, a more contagious flu might kill 1.5 million, 2 million. Whatever the figure might be.
Coronavirus is deadlier than flu with seniors at highest risk
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200219/Coronavirus-is-deadlier-than-flu-with-seniors-at-highest-risk.aspx (https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200219/Coronavirus-is-deadlier-than-flu-with-seniors-at-highest-risk.aspx)
Yeah, we got it.
How Does the Coronavirus Compare With the Flu?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html)
There seems to be a gazillion articles confirming this, so logic is, if it is deadlier than the flu, a good reason to try to stop it in its tracks.
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How many deaths did China, Iran and Italy originally have? Zero.
Why has this brought them to their knees?
I think in Iran's case, it hit the leaders first and the hardest.
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Thanks for this, you prove a point, every source will tell you the Coronavirus is much more contagious and dangerous than most strains of the flu, so if the flu killed 800,000 in that one year, a more contagious flu might kill 1.5 million, 2 million. Whatever the figure might be.
NO, "every source" WILL NOT tell you it is much more contagious and dangerous. STOP IT!
I can't stand any more of your panicking. You're crazy.
You earned a spot on my Ignore List because of your parroting the Fake News insanity.
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@DeerSlayer I've known @jpsb for a very long time, and he's not prone to panicking. He's just reporting what's going on.
No he's not. Far from it. What's going on is PANIC.
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NO, "every source" WILL NOT tell you it is much more contagious and dangerous. STOP IT!
I can't stand any more of your panicking. You're crazy.
You earned a spot on my Ignore List because of your parroting the Fake News insanity.
No he's not. Far from it. What's going on is PANIC.
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No he's not. Far from it. What's going on is PANIC.
I hate that bast*rd FDR, but he got one thing right - IMO its the fear thats the larger threat.
Just exercise a little common sense and carry on.
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I hate that bast*rd FDR, but he got one thing right - IMO its the fear thats the larger threat.
Just exercise a little common sense and carry on.
FDR knew a thing or two about incurable infectious diseases, I'll give him that due. His Warm Springs, GA "Little White House" was a haven for Polio kids. I toured the place once when I was a teenager.
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His Warm Springs, GA "Little White House" was a haven for Polio kids. I toured the place once when I was a teenager.
My mother used to work there.
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@DeerSlayer I've known @jpsb for a very long time, and he's not prone to panicking. He's just reporting what's going on.
Wow!
Just had a former girlfriend call me out of the blue, hysterically pleading that I stay inside.
You had to be there..... :laugh: :howlin:
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Wow!
Just had a former girlfriend call me out of the blue, hysterically pleading that I stay inside.
You had to be there..... :laugh: :howlin:
Sent Mike out for a simple gal of milk...5 stores later he found some....
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Wow!
Just had a former girlfriend call me out of the blue, hysterically pleading that I stay inside.
You had to be there..... :laugh: :howlin:
Hope springs eternal, my good friend!
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Sent Mike out for a simple gal of milk...5 stores later he found some....
Yaaay!
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Wow!
Just had a former girlfriend call me out of the blue, hysterically pleading that I stay inside.
You had to be there..... :laugh: :howlin:
Did you tell her to stop calling because you can catch it over the phone?
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O.M.G. 60 DEAD ! ! ! ! !
Your panic is the creative fantasy of Fake News. They simply love people such as you who quake at their lies.
Let me repeat again, because Panickers like you have yet to get the message:
80,000 flu deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.
Got it?
You didn't stock up on crap and self quarantine then, but you do now. Insane.
@DeerSlayer
I see it is not possible to have an intelligent conversation with you. Bye.
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Yaaay!
:thumbsup:
He got robbed..milk here is $.99 a gal at all stores...he paid $4.89 888mouth
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He got robbed..milk here is $.99 a gal at all stores...he paid $4.89 888mouth
I'll bet $100 he was happy to pay after 4 washed-out stores! You are married to a Saint!
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22K deaths this season. We agree on the underlying facts. You do sound callous, but you are not my President.
The problem is the message, attitude, and response of my President. I think he sucks at crises because he is a Narcissistic sociopath and has no personal experience with human emotions like sympathy, empathy or respect for people as valuable in and of themselves, even when they couldn't satiate his desire for sexual gratification, ego-stroking, wealth production, or power.
I pray I'm wrong, but I think the deaths are just starting now, and it will be hundreds if not thousands, because of the delay in taking it seriously.
Okay. I'm compelled to ask. Just what is it that you think POTUS should be doing that he hasn't done?
Keep in mind this is just ONE issue on his plate, not the whole buffet. If he gets all balled up over 50 or 60 coronavirus deaths, is he supposed to turn into a quivering glob of protoplasm looking for a safe space over the multiples of that (16 per day on average) who have been killed just crossing the street--something which may not be contagious, but is and has been ongoing?
I want someone at the helm who can keep their Sh*t together when things aren't going well.
Just maybe appearing to not be particularly concerned reflects that he has perspective and isn't just another deer in the headlights or rabbit running down the road.
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That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.
Actually @jpsb Italy's northern region is home to large concentrations of legal and illegal workers from China---working in the fashion industry primarily in the Lombardy area of Milan.
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Actually @jpsb Italy's northern region is home to large concentrations of legal and illegal workers from China---working in the fashion industry primarily in the Lombardy area of Milan.
Yes I know some manufacturers imported cheap labor from China.
How did that work out for you guys?
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That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.
I messaged my wife's family in Southern Italy. First cousins, with doctors, veterinarian, lawyers, teachers, EMT firefighters, and a beautiful model that recently became a mother too. etc. They do bathe with soap. Indoor plumbing, electricity.
I m asking them to compare to the dire new about Northern Italy, with local conditions.
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Yes I know some manufacturers imported cheap labor from China.
How did that work out for you guys?
In addition to an aging population of smokers and socialized medicine, this influx has added to Italy's difficulties ... especially in the North @DB
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I messaged my wife's family in Southern Italy. First cousins, with doctors, veterinarian, lawyers, teachers, EMT firefighters, and a beautiful model that recently became a mother too. etc. They do bathe with soap. Indoor plumbing, electricity.
I m asking them to compare to the dire new about Northern Italy, with local conditions.
@truth_seeker I'd be interested in hearing what they report back.
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@truth_seeker I'd be interested in hearing what they report back.
If/when I get info I'll post it, although I was repeatedly assured here, that anecdotal stuff is worthless.
As mentioned I'm trying to get info from Indonesia, Ohilippines, Thailand, So. Korea. (earlier today I mentioned my wife's info from Harbin China, from a former co-worker.
I tend to value Anecdotal.
A Marathon. A jounalist reports. A participant runs it.
Given the choice, I want to hear from the participant.
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If/when I get info I'll post it, although I was repeatedly assured here, that anecdotal stuff is worthless.
As mentioned I'm trying to get info from Indonesia, Ohilippines, Thailand, So. Korea. (earlier today I mentioned my wife's info from Harbin China, from a former co-worker.
I tend to value Anecdotal.
A Marathon. A jounalist reports. A participant runs it.
Given the choice, I want to hear from the participant.
You'll get no argument from me about it being anecdotal. I'd rather hear from the participants too.
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You'll get no argument from me about it being anecdotal. I'd rather hear from the participants too.
Well, the guy who dismissed everything anecdotal went bye bye.
The rest of us value evidence wherever it comes from. happy77
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Okay. I'm compelled to ask. Just what is it that you think POTUS should be doing that he hasn't done?
Thank you for your reply and subjecting your opinion to criticism. I admire your thick skin
Trump should not destroy the faith in institutions like WHO and CDC by denying their figures. He should not promote a message of "who cares" in complete defiance of his chosen experts. He should have limited travel quicker, He should have declared a National Emergency sooner. He should not pat himself on the back for a record stock recovery on Friday after 2 weeks of loses. What he can do now is announce a plethora of solutions. They don't have to work but they have to be proposed. What are the solutions? I dunno, and it don't even matter. "Today I signed an Executive Order to increase our hospital bed capacity by 10% and expand tax credits to retired nurses and doctors for 12 months." Next he can report the progress on the stuff he already announced as enacted. "The travel ban has reduced traffic and infection rates by 50%. We are streamlining regulations on incoming cargo, and the workers who handle them. The google ap will go online tomorrow. Here is our progress on student loans, here is our progress on legislation to fix stuff, here is Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer by my side saying we are working on it."
If the panic is all that is propelling this, and it's not, but if it was, you attack the panic rather than deny it's legitimacy.
His surrogates should be everywhere including CNN and MSNBC. People are watching the news.
I saw some article in the last few days that Biden had plagiarized Trump's response to the Coronavirus. Maybe there is some less offensive ideas Biden stole that can be utilized. I don't know what the President could do, I just don't see him doing much. I suffer from TDS but I don't think I am unusual in that I'm disappointed in President Trump's objectivist response.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/15/21180506/coronavirus-poll-democrats-republicans-trump (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/15/21180506/coronavirus-poll-democrats-republicans-trump) A new poll shows a startling partisan divide on the dangers of the coronavirus
Right or left, we almost all have skin in the stock market and it is indisputable to all but the most dedicated partisan which party is more concerned about the Coronavirus. I don't think this ends well for Trump unless it turns around immediately.
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Well, the guy who dismissed everything anecdotal went bye bye.
The rest of us value evidence wherever it comes from. happy77
True dat. I don't know what bugged me more: Was it the sensation that we were talking to a wall, or rather the infantile High School Debating techniques like that? "I can't refute the argument, so I'll refute the source/type of the data!"
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True dat. I don't know what bugged me more: Was it the sensation that we were talking to a wall, or rather the infantile High School Debating techniques like that? "I can't refute the argument, so I'll refute the source/type of the data!"
Or just change the subject or move the goalposts. *****rollingeyes*****
Thing is.... he wasn’t even a good high school debater!
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Or just change the subject or move the goalposts. *****rollingeyes*****
Thing is.... he wasn’t even a good high school debater!
A regular magnate of fallacies, that one.
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jpsb is the one who needs to lighten up. Panic is the exact opposite. That's where he is and solely for vile political reasons.
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jpsb is the one who needs to lighten up. Panic is the exact opposite. That's where he is and solely for vile political reasons.
??? What "vile political purposes?"
Explain, please.
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Trump should not destroy the faith in institutions like WHO and CDC by denying their figures.
You must not be up to speed on what the CDC has done to propagate this virus.
The 4 Key Reasons the U.S. Is So Behind on Coronavirus Testing
Testing is essential for identifying people who have been infected and for understanding the true scope of the outbreak. But when the initial test from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was rolled out to state public-health laboratories in early February, one of its components was discovered to be faulty. Since then, academic, clinical, and other laboratories have struggled to get or make new tests and diagnose patients.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/why-coronavirus-testing-us-so-delayed/607954/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/why-coronavirus-testing-us-so-delayed/607954/)
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But when the initial test from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was rolled out to state public-health laboratories in early February, one of its components was discovered to be faulty. Since then, academic, clinical, and other laboratories have struggled to get or make new tests and diagnose patients.[/i]
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/why-coronavirus-testing-us-so-delayed/607954/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/why-coronavirus-testing-us-so-delayed/607954/)
Exactly. Two points worth mentioning here. First, the purpose of the tests is so that they could be administered AND analyzed locally and quickly without having to send samples in to the CDC. Secondly, as soon as the problem with the component was discovered, the CDC immediately corrected it and started creating new kits.
Can't speak for other States, but my home State of Georgia had originally been given the faulty kits. But the CDC delivered 1.5 million new kits to Georgia by March 5.
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Exactly. Two points worth mentioning here. First, the purpose of the tests is so that they could be administered AND analyzed locally and quickly without having to send samples in to the CDC. Secondly, as soon as the problem with the component was discovered, the CDC immediately corrected it and started creating new kits.
Can't speak for other States, but my home State of Georgia had originally been given the faulty kits. But the CDC delivered 1.5 million new kits to Georgia by March 5.
The CDC blew it big time, other labs has tests ready to go and the CDC told them all to stand down and stop working on test kits. Then they rolled outs kits that did not work and still told private labs and university labs to stand down. Idiots protecting "their turff" and not the American people. The head of the CDC should be fired. It's because of the CDC that we have no good numbers for the USA and territories.
If the USA turns into Italy blame the CDC.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve)
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1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.
14 hours later - 69
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
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Before the end of the day, I think we will move this to the Members' Editorials section (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,87.0.html) since that is more of what this actually is IF there is no objection.
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We just went from 3 in my town to another three this morning according to the latest text alert from Nixle.
If you don’t have Nixle texts I do recommend them. Google Nixle. Then type where you live. These alerts really do come in handy not only for heath but they tell you about traffic and where there’s an accident as well as what roads are down. Saves driving time!
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We just went from 3 in my town to another three this morning according to the latest text alert from Nixle.
If you don’t have Nixle texts I do recommend them. Google Nixle. Then type where you live. These alerts really do come in handy not only for heath but they tell you about traffic and where there’s an accident as well as what roads are down. Saves driving time!
This is noteworthy in any of these threads, I will post it in the big one above on world coronavirus news. Handy tool.
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14 hours later - 69
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down. It can only go up. A more useful statistic would be the ratio of recoveries to deaths. At some point, this number will rise, and then eventually level out.
Today, it stands at 11.86.
Another ratio to observe is cases to recoveries. Once we stop getting new cases, this number will move closer to 1. Today it stands at 2.19. This indicates that over half the cases are ongoing and have not yet achieved an outcome (recovery or death).
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This is noteworthy in any of these threads, I will post it in the big one above on world coronavirus news. Handy tool.
Thanks. I decided since I’m going stir crazy at home I’m going to give myself a mani pedi. Only so much Netflix and chill you can do without going a little 22222frying pan. @TomSea
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We just went from 3 in my town to another three this morning according to the latest text alert from Nixle.
If you don’t have Nixle texts I do recommend them. Google Nixle. Then type where you live. These alerts really do come in handy not only for heath but they tell you about traffic and where there’s an accident as well as what roads are down. Saves driving time!
Nixle is not for me yet, I get a message about my local agencies not being enrolled. :shrug:
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The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down. It can only go up. A more useful statistic would be the ratio of recoveries to deaths.
What nonsense. "Recoveries" can only make reference to people who have been tested and diagnosed with the illness. Please. The overwhelming majority NEVER get tested because their symptoms were insignificant.
THE MOST USEFUL STATISTIC is the number of American fatalities. It's around 60 right now.
That's fewer than the accident fatalities today! So the moral is: DON'T DRIVE TO THE STORE!
80,000 died of flu in 2017-2018 so extend your panic today over 60 deaths this year.
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The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down.
What nonsense. . . .
THE MOST USEFUL STATISTIC is the number of American fatalities. It's around 60 right now.
Interesting take. So when do you expect the number of American fatalities to go down to 50?
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14 hours later - 69
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Wow ! You so smart (wink, nudge).
A total of 36,560 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2018. The U.S. Department of Transportation's most recent estimate of the annual economic cost of crashes is $242 billion dollars. www.iihs.org (http://www.iihs.org)
100 people a day die in car accidents. And you're screaming like a little girl over far fewer because Fake News beats its Hate Trump Drums?
Stay at home. Don't go anywhere. And tell all your little friends of like mind to do the same.
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What nonsense. . . .
THE MOST USEFUL STATISTIC is the number of American fatalities. It's around 60 right now.
Interesting take. So when do you expect the number of American fatalities to go down to 50?
"Fatalities going down" is YOUR phrase, not mine.
But along your nonsense lines, when do you expect the traffic fatalities to "go down to 50 A DAY??? See how silly your games are? No, I don't think you do. Leftists never admit they have been wrong. They always double down.
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"Fatalities going down" is YOUR phrase, not mine.
Again: "The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down."
But along your nonsense lines, when do you expect the traffic fatalities to "go down to 50 A DAY???
50/day is a rate. It denotes the derivative of the quantity equation (i.e. the total number of deaths over time). I never said anything about the death rate - only the total number of deaths (which will never go down).
The death quantity equation will eventually normalize. Once that happens, an accurate assessment of the death rate can be derived. But not until then.
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Again: "The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down."
Wow. Deep. People are not going to come back to life. You act as if you said something worth reading. It was not, and your insistent repetition of the inane just earned you a spot on my Ignore List.
ciao
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Again: "The quantity of fatalities is a number that is never going to go down."
50/day is a rate. It denotes the derivative of the quantity equation (i.e. the total number of deaths over time). I never said anything about the death rate - only the total number of deaths (which will never go down).
The death quantity equation will eventually normalize. Once that happens, an accurate assessment of the death rate can be derived. But not until then.
Buzzkill.
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Buzzkill (Hoodat).
Thank you. Well done, Cyber.
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Wow. Deep. People are not going to come back to life. You act as if you said something worth reading. It was not, and your insistent repetition of the inane just earned you a spot on my Ignore List.
ciao
That was exactly my point. All this incessant body count bullshit is a worthless endeavor. But hey, if you can't figure that out from my post, then you really don't need to read them. Ignore away.
Again, at some point, the curve is going to normalize. Until that happens, it does no good to constantly post about how many people have died to date. The point is to be able to accurately predict future events. And are nowhere near that point yet.
(http://www.mathcurve.com/courbes2d/logarithmic/logarithmiccurve0a.gif)
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What nonsense. "Recoveries" can only make reference to people who have been tested and diagnosed with the illness. Please. The overwhelming majority NEVER get tested because their symptoms were insignificant.
THE MOST USEFUL STATISTIC is the number of American fatalities. It's around 60 right now.
That's fewer than the accident fatalities today! So the moral is: DON'T DRIVE TO THE STORE!
80,000 died of flu in 2017-2018 so extend your panic today over 60 deaths this year.
The leftist media hype would have you think people are dropping dead in the streets vs. the actual reported mortality rate of this particular virus. It is working in one respect, however. It is melting down Trump's 'excellent' economy and will result in massive unemployment.... if the idiot left gets their way.
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Thank you. Well done, Cyber.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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Brevity is the soul of wit.
Yer killin' me!!
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The leftist media hype would have you think people are dropping dead in the streets vs. the actual reported mortality rate of this particular virus. It is working in one respect, however. It is melting down Trump's 'excellent' economy and will result in massive unemployment.... if the idiot left gets their way.
And how happy that would make them.
"Pray for peace but train for war" refers to the Latin phrase.
Si vis pacem, para bellum (Classical Latin: [siË wiËs ˈpaËkemË Ëˆpara ˈbellumË]) is a Latin adage translated as "If you want peace, prepare for war".
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Yer killin' me!!
Not much more to say, friend. The panic has already caused way, way more damage than the COVA-19 ever will, even the worst-case scenarios floated to date.
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The leftist media hype would have you think people are dropping dead in the streets vs. the actual reported mortality rate of this particular virus.
Which is why I am sick of that leftist media hype being posted here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2169948.html#msg2169948).
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Not much more to say, friend. The panic has already caused way, way more damage than the COVA-19 ever will, even the worst-case scenarios floated to date.
It sure would be helpful if people weren't so determined to be panicked. I do not think they are fully aware of what they are helping bring on.
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The leftist media hype would have you think people are dropping dead in the streets vs. the actual reported mortality rate of this particular virus. It is working in one respect, however. It is melting down Trump's 'excellent' economy and will result in massive unemployment.... if the idiot left gets their way.
I haven't read a word from the leftist media......... just listened to healthcare experts, scientists, pastors and those who have nothing to gain from any meltdown of the economy (including the President and VP who spoke with our Governor today).
Prevention is the way to keep this from becoming what it has been in Italy. Prevention.
The left may be cheering on disease and economic collapse, but good people all over the country are trying to prevent both.
The idea is to minimize the crisis so that our healthcare facilities and hospitals can handle the increase in cases and those who are at great health risk.
Flattening out the line is imperative to keeping this under control.
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And how happy that would make them.
"Pray for peace but train for war" refers to the Latin phrase.
Si vis pacem, para bellum (Classical Latin: [siË wiËs ˈpaËkemË Ëˆpara ˈbellumË]) is a Latin adage translated as "If you want peace, prepare for war".
Exactly. 888high58888
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Which is why I am sick of that leftist media hype being posted here (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2169948.html#msg2169948).
Yeah....ditto/same here.
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I haven't read a word from the leftist media......... just listened to healthcare experts, scientists, pastors and those who have nothing to gain from any meltdown of the economy (including the President and VP who spoke with our Governor today).
Prevention is the way to keep this from becoming what it has been in Italy. Prevention.
The left may be cheering on disease and economic collapse, but good people all over the country are trying to prevent both.
The idea is to minimize the crisis so that our healthcare facilities and hospitals can handle the increase in cases and those who are at great health risk.
Flattening out the line is imperative to keeping this under control.
I know what the "idea" is. I'm just not convinced that their methods (shutting everything down for 'who but God' knows for how long) will achieve that ""prevention"". I'm thinking it might end up causing more harm than the actual virus could or would cause. Unintended consequences that perhaps aren't so "unintended" by a certain faction in America. JS....
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It sure would be helpful if people weren't so determined to be panicked. I do not think they are fully aware of what they are helping bring on.
I don't think they can help but BE panicked at this point. Whole sectors of industry shutting down, new deliveries will be intermittent guesswork. If it were only for a week or two is one thing - But they're preaching about all summer long. No wonder folks are driving hard for supply while it is here.
Not to mention everyone at home, and staying home, which is a whole nuther dynamic in household supply - usage will double at the household level...
So the whole subject, the way it has been delivered, is nearly designed to send folks rampant.
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I know what the "idea" is. I'm just not convinced that their methods (shutting everything down for 'who but God' knows for how long) will achieve that ""prevention"". I'm thinking it might end up causing more harm than the actual virus could or would cause. Unintended consequences that perhaps aren't so "unintended" by a certain faction in America. JS....
Maybe, the flip side, is maybe if we don't act to contain, could we be like China and Iran? People dropping in the streets from it? Burning bodies in crematoriums? That'd be horrible too and I'm not saying that would happen but that seems to be the worse case scenario.
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I know what the "idea" is. I'm just not convinced that their methods (shutting everything down for 'who but God' knows for how long) will achieve that ""prevention"". I'm thinking it might end up causing more harm than the actual virus could or would cause. Unintended consequences that perhaps aren't so "unintended" by a certain faction in America. JS....
That's right.
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14 hours later - 69
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
That's a real good link, I don't see why one would find fault with that unless, they just don't want to know the facts OR it just makes them uncomfortable. Believe me, we are all uncomfortable about it.
Hardly leftist media as someone said OR at least, prove it.
Yes, that's the way to beat it, have no knowledge of the situation, that should work. *****rollingeyes*****
Why don't we use the same approach with terrorists.
Ostriches, sand.
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I haven't read a word from the leftist media......... just listened to healthcare experts, scientists, pastors and those who have nothing to gain from any meltdown of the economy (including the President and VP who spoke with our Governor today).
Prevention is the way to keep this from becoming what it has been in Italy. Prevention.
The left may be cheering on disease and economic collapse, but good people all over the country are trying to prevent both.
The idea is to minimize the crisis so that our healthcare facilities and hospitals can handle the increase in cases and those who are at great health risk.
Flattening out the line is imperative to keeping this under control.
Agreed. No one wants to see economic downturn, especially when our economy has staged a come back under Trump, but we can't shove this under the carpet and pretend that it doesn't exist or just decide people are over reacting. Not reacting and not nipping this in the bud is only going to exacerbate the problem with the virus exploding as it has done in Italy.
It is better to prepare for this pandemic than to be complacent. Either we deal with it now while we have a chance to contain it or deal with the consequences which will have a far greater impact on our economy and our country.
Precautions = prevention of spreading this virus and containing it. It is not going to happen over night and a lot of people are going to face economic hardship. If we don't contain this a lot of people are going to be facing the hardship of losing a loved one or loved ones.
We would all just like to ignore this and go back to business as usual. This isn't the flu virus. This is more fatal. Italy has a mortality rate of 8%. I think it would be prudent to pay attention to that number.
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Maybe, the flip side, is maybe if we don't act to contain, could we be like China and Iran? People dropping in the streets from it? Burning bodies in crematoriums?
Please stop. Please.
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I know what the "idea" is. I'm just not convinced that their methods (shutting everything down for 'who but God' knows for how long) will achieve that ""prevention"". I'm thinking it might end up causing more harm than the actual virus could or would cause. Unintended consequences that perhaps aren't so "unintended" by a certain faction in America. JS....
Well, I'm clearly not as much of a cynic as a few of you here are, but in listening to press conferences about the medical crisis we're facing and the steps that are being taken here in Ohio, I feel confident that the measures healthcare professionals and scientists are advising are being taken to keep us alive.
Since this is uncharted territory, obviously no one knows for sure what will work best. In Great Britain they're taking a hands off approach (like they did in Italy) and are treating it like a flu virus where exposure creates immunity.
They're guessing.
I prefer a more aggressively preventative approach (again, the one recommended by people in health care) that will keep more people from being exposed and keep the ventilators available for the people who need them the most.
My very conservative husband who was in hospital administration for over 40 years concurs. We both sat in our family room and watched the video stream of our church service and were very thankful that churches are taking a responsible and loving approach to what could be very dangerous for the public.
The economy in Ohio will surely recover. Some of the victims of COVID-19 won't.
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Please stop. Please.
The powers that be here in the SF Bay Area have decreed a three week closure of ‘non essential’ businesses. Three weeks.
This is gonna hurt.
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Please stop. Please.
The message is clear to me. If we do NOT contain this now, we could pay the consequences later on and the economic downturn could be worse. What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?
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The message is clear to me. If we do NOT contain this now, we could pay the consequences later on and the economic downturn could be worse. What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?
Totally agree.
Hey, we don't know for sure but I would say there is much less reason for the skeptics to be right.
None of us are president or our senators, speaking of Senators, Cruz quarantines himself, so did Scott and Graham and yet, they are going to be wrong? We might not like all of them but these people obviously see a threat and I respect that.
It's like you were saying, some people seem to speak absurdly, ignore it. And for all I know, maybe they are the voice of reason but I don't really see it. I've seen guys in hazmat suits for 2 straight months dealing with this.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/12/10/24642744-7994821-Another_person_claimed_that_the_protection_given_to_the_tabby_wa-m-2_1581504629348.jpg)
Just saying "leftist media", I mean, I'm sorry, nobody wants to be rude, that just isn't cutting it.
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The message is clear to me. If we do NOT contain this now, we could pay the consequences later on and the economic downturn could be worse. What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?
The measures taken now are to prevent the overwhelming of the healthcare system as happened in Italy.
Even though our system is far better than Italy's, and even though they had many, many Chinese workers there, they didn't take preventative measures until it was too late.
Because of what's happening here, we will not repeat what happened there.
If we have ample medical supplies here in Ohio (and we do) that we never have to use, we will have won this battle.
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The powers that be here in the SF Bay Area have decreed a three week closure of ‘non essential’ businesses. Three weeks.
This is gonna hurt.
Yes everyone is going to face some kind of difficulty unless you are fortunate enough to be financially independently wealthy. Every financial plan will be disrupted and may not recover for awhile and many will be out of work for weeks if not more making it extremely difficult for them. I would only hope that some employers who can afford to do so will pitch in and help. We need to help one another as best as we can.
The sun still came up this morning and the birds are still chirping. happy77
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Give it two/three more weeks. Everything comes to an end, it all ends eventually.
20 years from now Corona will be in the history books. Samer as all the others.
This is nother new at all happened a million years in history
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Precautions = prevention of spreading this virus and containing it.
We have never 'contained' a virus in the wild, ever.
It is not going to happen over night and a lot of people are going to face economic hardship. If we don't contain this a lot of people are going to be facing the hardship of losing a loved one or loved ones.
economic hardship??? Shutting the whole thing off for maybe months? That is an understatement of epic proportions.
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Well, I'm clearly not as much of a cynic as a few of you here are, but in listening to press conferences about the medical crisis we're facing and the steps that are being taken here in Ohio, I feel confident that the measures healthcare professionals and scientists are advising are being taken to keep us alive.
Since this is uncharted territory, obviously no one knows for sure what will work best. In Great Britain they're taking a hands off approach (like they did in Italy) and are treating it like a flu virus where exposure creates immunity.
They're guessing.
I prefer a more aggressively preventative approach (again, the one recommended by people in health care) that will keep more people from being exposed and keep the ventilators available for the people who need them the most.
My very conservative husband who was in hospital administration for over 40 years concurs. We both sat in our family room and watched the video stream of our church service and were very thankful that churches are taking a responsible and loving approach to what could be very dangerous for the public.
The economy in Ohio will surely recover. Some of the victims of COVID-19 won't.
So how long should things be 'shut down'? Considering that the reported incubation period for this particular virus can be up to 24 days vs. the official 2-14 days.... would shutting the country down for a month help more than harm? I don't see how. I see a lot of people dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs. :shrug:
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What makes you think that we couldn't see the same consequences Italy is suffering with an 8% mortality rate?
- A population density less than one-sixth that of Italy
- Far superior health care system
- Younger population
- Advance knowledge and preventative steps
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We have never 'contained' a virus in the wild, ever.
economic hardship??? Shutting the whole thing off for maybe months? That is an understatement of epic proportions.
They don't realize that a multi-month shut down would result in the complete collapse of the economy. Hell, it may happen anyway.... but why help the demise along? Wouldn't be the first or only time that government intervention has caused such a disaster.
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They don't realize that a multi-month shut down would result in the complete collapse of the economy. Hell, it may happen anyway.... but why help the demise along? Wouldn't be the first or only time that government intervention has caused such a disaster.
That's right.
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So how long should things be 'shut down'? Considering that the reported incubation period for this particular virus can be up to 24 days vs. the official 2-14 days.... would shutting the country down for a month help more than harm? I don't see how. I see a lot of people dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs. :shrug:
I'm not sure what you've been reading, but people aren't going to be "dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs."
NOBODY requires a spaghetti dinner at a restaurant or a beer at a bar to survive.
There are measures in place here to provide unemployment for the weeks that are temporarily out of work. Grocery stores and pharmacies will continue to be open and churches will step up and provide even more services for people in need.
IMO, the economy is more likely to crash if nothing is done to stop this disease.
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- A population density less than one-sixth that of Italy
- Far superior health care system
- Younger population
- Advance knowledge and preventative steps
Those "preventative steps" are exactly what people here are griping about. :shrug:
I say, TAKE THEM, and prevent what happened in Italy from happening here.
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I haven't read a word from the leftist media......... just listened to healthcare experts, scientists, pastors and those who have nothing to gain from any meltdown of the economy (including the President and VP who spoke with our Governor today).
Prevention is the way to keep this from becoming what it has been in Italy. Prevention.
The left may be cheering on disease and economic collapse, but good people all over the country are trying to prevent both.
The idea is to minimize the crisis so that our healthcare facilities and hospitals can handle the increase in cases and those who are at great health risk.
Flattening out the line is imperative to keeping this under control.
This, I agree with. Keeping the peak of the infection (number of cases) curve low, while the area under it might remain the same over the run of the disease is key to keeping mortality down. Mortality will go up by multiples if the facilities, personnel, and equipment available to treat serious cases do not outnumber or equal the number of serious cases, because the correct care will not be available for the number of serious cases which exceed capacity.
This is the only area the raw numbers really matter, in a statistical sense. Cases requiring care vs capacity to deliver that care.
We can't get rates, really, because we may never know how many mild cases requiring no medical treatment and people otherwise exposed but who sought no medical attention there are out there. Without that denominator, those infected but never even tested, we can't even calculate mortality rates.
Yes, slowing infection rates down is good. But that comes with a caveat: If the economy slows to the point where the often unsung but vitally necessary services and goods are no longer available, then the situation will go from serious and warranting concern to critical.
For as long as needless panic (versus rational concern) can be avoided, those goods will flow, perhaps in increased numbers to match demand, and what is needed will be more likely to be there when it is needed.
But if the warehouse guys don't show, if the trucks don't roll, if the containers don't come off the ship, sooner or later there won't be tubing, IVs, medications, etc.--even toilet paper to use when the chips are really down.
If that becomes the case, the mortality rate will spike, because serious cases which otherwise might have recovered will not for lack of supplies or care..
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I'm not sure what you've been reading, but people aren't going to be "dying from services and products being unavailable due to shut downs."
NOBODY requires a spaghetti dinner at a restaurant or a beer at a bar to survive.
There are measures in place here to provide unemployment for the weeks that are temporarily out of work. Grocery stores and pharmacies will continue to be open and churches will step up and provide even more services for people in need.
IMO, the economy is more likely to crash if nothing is done to stop this disease.
I certainly hope and pray that you are right about that. And yes, I have become quite the cynic. Can't help it. :shrug:
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I certainly hope and pray that you are right about that. And yes, I have become quite the cynic. Can't help it. :shrug:
I get it.
And I wouldn't promise anything about the nutcase leftist states like California, but if you look at a map of the states, you'll see that most of us have Republican Governors who will take care of small businesses and the people who are being hurt by the shutdowns.
We're going to get through this. We are!
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It's reported that Italy also suffered because people did not heed those "preventative steps", how people are fussing about this, I don't know.
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If that becomes the case, the mortality rate will spike, because serious cases which otherwise might have recovered will not for lack of supplies or care..
Exactly my concern. Thank you for articulating it so well (as usual). 888high58888
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I get it.
And I wouldn't promise anything about the nutcase leftist states like California, but if you look at a map of the states, you'll see that most of us have Republican Governors who will take care of small businesses and the people who are being hurt by the shutdowns.
We're going to get through this. We are!
God willing! :beer:
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God willing! :beer:
Amen!
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Do I have to post the "Lighten Up, Francis" meme again?
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Okay, I don't know what some messages mean and they were deleted, but I hope someone is controlling the "Member Editorials" forum because, as said about 12 hours ago, there is more where this belongs. I hate doing this but it seems necessary.
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Okay, I don't know what some messages mean and they were deleted, but I hope someone is controlling the "Member Editorials" forum because, as said about 12 hours ago, there is more where this belongs. I hate doing this but it seems necessary.
Messages deleted? I must check this out....
ETA...Oh...I see what you mean. Are you volunteering? You have a lot on your plate.
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1. Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.
34 hours later 87
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
I posted elsewhere that the deaths and confirmed cases seem to be doubling every 3 days. We could be in the thousands by April and when we run out of hospital beds the death rate could escalate faster.
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34 hours later 87
Dont B a fool
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34 hours later 87
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Again, that number is never going to go down. It can only go up. A more useful statistic would be the ratio of recoveries to deaths. At some point, this number will rise, and then eventually level out. Today, it stands at 11.06. But you do everyone a disservice by posting death numbers being updated several times each day when the counting of recoveries lags far behind. Perhaps you should count the number of people who have it and are still alive or on their way to recovery. It may not push the political narrative you want, but it would certainly boost the morale on this forum.
Or you could calculate the ratio of cases to recoveries. When it rises, it means new cases are outpacing recoveries. But when it begins to drop, it means we are past the hump. And once we stop getting new cases, this ratio will move closer to 1. Today it stands at 2.30.
I posted elsewhere that the deaths and confirmed cases seem to be doubling every 3 days. We could be in the thousands by April and when we run out of hospital beds the death rate could escalate faster.
So your concern is that the number of confirmed cases is doubling every 3 days? That is what happens when you begin testing more and more people. More cases are discovered. Should we stop? Again, recoveries is what we need to be looking for here.
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But you do everyone a disservice by posting death numbers being updated several times each day when the counting of recoveries lags far behind.
@Hoodat
Twice a day is too much for you? Got it, and see you here tomorrow.
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@Hoodat
Twice a day is too much for you? Got it, and see you here tomorrow.
<sigh>
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Here's some relevant information:
Here’s What It’s Like to Survive Coronavirus in Wuhan (https://time.com/5783838/coronavirus-symptoms-wuhan-survivor/)
~snip~
(Jan 21) The first four days of the illness were brutal. “I suffered from a high fever and pains that tortured every part of my body,†said Ye. He spent the days watching Japanese cartoons to distract from the discomfort.
~snip~
(Jan 28) A week after the symptoms first began, Ye appeared to be reaching a turning point.
~snip~
(Jan 28) The young student’s condition was steadily improving when he finally secured one of the coveted test kits on Jan. 29, which confirmed he had the virus. His doctor gave him a five-day course of the antiviral drug Aluvia and sent him back to his three-bedroom apartment for quarantine
https://time.com/5783838/coronavirus-symptoms-wuhan-survivor/
Feb 7: Tested negative. Forced into government quarantine
Feb 12: Released
So we are looking at somewhere between 12 and 17 days for full recovery. But the only reason this person got counted at all is because they received a test. And although this is but a single case, it indicates that the rises in new cases we are seeing today will result in rises in recoveries two weeks from now.
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Okay, I don't know what some messages mean and they were deleted, but I hope someone is controlling the "Member Editorials" forum because, as said about 12 hours ago, there is more where this belongs. I hate doing this but it seems necessary.
Deletion via fox guarding hen house. [redacted]
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I like Anecdotes, and this is a good one.
As stated elsewhere, mife wife's friend in Harbin China messaged today their 6 week confinement ended today.
(She's part of a dog rescue/adoption non-profit moving animals from China (where they might be dinner, to the US and Canada where they become pets).
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The people panicking and citing American fatalities in two figures as frightening to them are the same ones who dressed up as vaginas and called President Trump "stupid." They're the same ones who don't know which bathroom to use. They blamed Joe Biden's bribery of top Ukrainian officials on President Trump and predicted his removal from office in months of insane ranting, which continues apace for what history will note as comparably goofy to the Y2K panic of 1999.
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The people panicking and citing American fatalities in two figures as frightening to them are the same ones who dressed up as vaginas and called President Trump "stupid." They're the same ones who don't know which bathroom to use. They blamed Joe Biden's bribery of top Ukrainian officials on President Trump and predicted his removal from office in months of insane ranting, which continues apace for what history will note as comparably goofy to the Y2K panic of 1999.
When this is all said and done, there is some significant 'splaining to do. We just loss over $10 trillion dollars in market value, and getting ready to see disruptions in our lives that I have not seen in my 63 years.
If this is a False alarm I hope the pitch forks come out enmasse.
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@Hoodat I went back and reread your post. It sounds like I'm missing your point about the recoveries...
Again, that number is never going to go down. It can only go up.
Recoveries will only go up too.
A more useful statistic would be the ratio of recoveries to deaths. At some point, this number will rise, and then eventually level out. Today, it stands at 11.06.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Closed Cases 160
74 (46%) Recovered / Discharged
86 (54%) Deaths
I might not be as good with the maths as you, but where are you getting your figures for "11.06" percent or is that supposed to be 11:06 which I'm also not calculating? By my count over 100% as many people are dead vs recovered. Is that better?
But you do everyone a disservice by posting death numbers being updated several times each day when the counting of recoveries lags far behind.
I don't want to disservice anyone. Please help me calculate the ratio you desire. Additionally, I have learned the counting lags far behind for recoveries, but you still want that factored into my non-death figures, yes?
Perhaps you should count the number of people who have it and are still alive or on their way to recovery. It may not push the political narrative you want, but it would certainly boost the morale on this forum.
It's right at the link I provide each time, but I can do that!!!
A morale boosting 4,503 infected but still living :0012:
Or you could calculate the ratio of cases to recoveries. When it rises, it means new cases are outpacing recoveries. But when it begins to drop, it means we are past the hump. And once we stop getting new cases, this ratio will move closer to 1. Today it stands at 2.30.
Cases 4,503 divided by recovered 74 = 60.85 times as many cases . . . Sorry, I don't get the relevance. Perhaps you mean 74 recoveries out of 4503 cases which equals 1.64% . That is a much tinier number. I can see why you like this ratio. A massive rise in testing will results massive increases in confirmed cases and sink that number like the Hindenburg all while ignoring fatalities.
I too celebrate the 74 recovered, and a pray they do not suffer lasting injury.
Thanx for struggling with me to make yourself understood.
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When this is all said and done, there is some significant 'splaining to do. We just loss over $10 trillion dollars in market value, and getting ready to see disruptions in our lives that I have not seen in my 63 years.
If this is a False alarm I hope the pitch forks come out enmasse.
But there is no downside for the Chicken Littles...
If the projected numbers don't materialize - 200k-1.2m - The chicken Littles will claim the preventive measures worked.
When in reality, the inflated numbers the projections were made from belie the true infection v. death percentage, probably by an order of magnitude, and the virus merely ran its course, as it would have anyway (100k deaths or less).
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Sunday
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/coronavirus-us-president-donald-trump-fauci-politics/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/coronavirus-us-president-donald-trump-fauci-politics/index.html)
Trump claims coronavirus is under control -- contradicting reality and his own top expert
Trump flagrantly contradicted Fauci's warnings at a White House briefing Sunday at which he celebrated the Federal Reserve's decision to cut interest rates to 0% to help the shocked economy.
"It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but it's something we have tremendous control of," the President said.
Monday
https://www.france24.com/en/20200316-trump-admits-coronavirus-not-under-control-as-new-guidelines-unveiled-for-americans (https://www.france24.com/en/20200316-trump-admits-coronavirus-not-under-control-as-new-guidelines-unveiled-for-americans)
Trump admits coronavirus 'not under control', says crisis may last all summer
When asked when the pandemic would subside, Trump said that “if we do a really good job" the crisis could pass by July or August, a far less optimistic take than in his earlier predictions that it could be over within weeks.
“We will rally together as one nation and we will defeat the virus,†the US president added. “We can turn the corner and turn it quickly.â€
Trump also, for the first time, acknowledged that the virus, which has battered the global markets, may send the nation's economy into a recession, a potentially brutal blow for an incumbent in an election year.
Cheers to the President for figuring this out so quickly. It's a much better message than the one I quote as a signature. Anybody catch the Dow numbers today?
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Trump claims coronavirus is under control -- contradicting reality and his own top expert
I find your perpetual cynicism extremely offensive not to mention inaccurate.
1. Captain Edward Smith of the Titanic was THE "top expert" in commanding passenger liners when he sank it killing 1,512 people.
2. Captain Jacob Van Zanten was THE "top expert" at KLM Royal Dutch Airlines when he took off and slammed into TWA's 747 at Tenerife, killing 583, the world's worst aviation disaster.
I have a long list of "top experts" being dead wrong. It's the Fallacy of the Argument From Authority, which of course YOU claim to be.
ciao TO my Ignore List with you
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I find your perpetual cynicism extremely offensive not to mention inaccurate.
noted
1. Captain Edward Smith of the Titanic was THE "top expert" in commanding passenger liners when he sank it killing 1,512 people.
2. Captain Jacob Van Zanten was THE "top expert" at KLM Royal Dutch Airlines when he took off and slammed into TWA's 747 at Tenerife, killing 583, the world's worst aviation disaster.
I'm glad you are not claiming the captain of our ship of state is an expert.
I have a long list of "top experts" being dead wrong. It's the Fallacy of the Argument From Authority, which of course YOU claim to be.
I'm no expert. I think the guys Trump gathered to combat this virus, and be ignored by him, are the experts.
ciao TO my Ignore List with you
:thumbsup: Great President Trump impersonation.
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I find your perpetual cynicism extremely offensive not to mention inaccurate.
1. Captain Edward Smith of the Titanic was THE "top expert" in commanding passenger liners when he sank it killing 1,512 people.
2. Captain Jacob Van Zanten was THE "top expert" at KLM Royal Dutch Airlines when he took off and slammed into TWA's 747 at Tenerife, killing 583, the world's worst aviation disaster.
I have a long list of "top experts" being dead wrong. It's the Fallacy of the Argument From Authority, which of course YOU claim to be.
ciao TO my Ignore List with you
@DeerSlayer
@Once-Ler
Actual picture of DeerSlayer putting people on his Ignore List
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Before you put me on ignore Slayer:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395010.msg2168476.html#msg2168476 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,395010.msg2168476.html#msg2168476)
@TomSea – could you please also move the above to Member Editorials. Thanks!
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I like Anecdotes, and this is a good one.
As stated elsewhere, mife wife's friend in Harbin China messaged today their 6 week confinement ended today.
(She's part of a dog rescue/adoption non-profit moving animals from China (where they might be dinner, to the US and Canada where they become pets).
Off topic, but bless your friend @truth_seeker for saving those animals. I think in this case, I speak for everyone here.
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Actual picture of DeerSlayer putting people on his Ignore List
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You got that right.
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Actual picture of DeerSlayer putting people on his Ignore List
Oh my but aren't YOU clever!
1. You misnamed yourself. Your post was terribly dull. Here's why.
2. Message boards don't involve listening. You READ them.
That wasn't difficult, was it? Try thinking before you post your giggly but inane retorts.
I'll bet you voted for Hillary. Here's something for you:
http://HatefulHillary.blogspot.com (http://HatefulHillary.blogspot.com)
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Oh my but aren't YOU clever!
1. You misnamed yourself. Your post was terribly dull. Here's why.
2. Message boards don't involve listening. You READ them.
That wasn't difficult, was it? Try thinking before you post your giggly but inane retorts.
I'll bet you voted for Hillary. Here's something for you:
http://HatefulHillary.blogspot.com (http://HatefulHillary.blogspot.com)
Hey, lighten up! Extend to others the latitude you expect to be extended to you. We're all in this together.
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Off topic, but bless your friend @truth_seeker for saving those animals. I think in this case, I speak for everyone here.
That speaks for me, but I can't speak for the others. I can't imagine the pain of seeing a Good Dawg with love in his eyes cringing in a pen, waiting to be slaughtered. Folks who can rescue pets like that are far greater than I am, in the "heart" department.
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Hey, lighten up! Extend to others the latitude you expect to be extended to you. We're all in this together.
She ridicules me and you ask ME to "lighten up"?
Why don't you extend some latitude to those who don't take such bullshit lying down.
And NO, we're NOT all in this panic mode together. I refuse to play the panic game when 85 is about three orders of magnitude below the flu deaths of two years ago.
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She ridicules me and you ask ME to "lighten up"?
Why don't you extend some latitude to those who don't take such bullshit lying down.
And NO, we're NOT all in this panic mode together. I refuse to play the panic game when 85 is about three orders of magnitude below the flu deaths of two years ago.
People have different perceptions. One man's panic is another's caution. And, you will notice I extend a whole lot of latitude, as an Admin and Mod. If I did not, I'd have been sacked by the boss lady some time ago.
I would not ask something of anybody if I'm not prepared to do it myself.
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@Hoodat I went back and reread your post. It sounds like I'm missing your point about the recoveries...
@Once-Ler
In relative terms, there is a lag between a death and a recovery. Let's say 10 people are confirmed as infected at the same time. On day 5, one dies. The others do not. Yet the others won't be counted as 'recovered' until day 21. Thus for 16 days, stats will show 1 death (10%) and 0 recoveries (0%). Only after Day 21 will the stats show 90% recovery.
Once enough time has passed and recoveries begin to be counted (as is the case in Hubei), we will have more complete (and more accurate) data. But until that happens, showing only death data (with wildly disproportionate test samples throughout the world) will give the false impression that fatality rates are much higher than they really are.
Closed Cases 160
74 (46%) Recovered / Discharged
86 (54%) Deaths
I might not be as good with the maths as you, but where are you getting your figures for "11.06" percent or is that supposed to be 11:06 which I'm also not calculating? By my count over 100% as many people are dead vs recovered. Is that better?
My numbers were global numbers from the Johns Hopkins website - not US numbers. US figures numbers are premature because testing is not widespread, thus not indicative of the population as a whole, and because we haven't yet reached the 'recovered' state for most patients. The '11.06' is a ratio, not a percentage. 11.06 to 1. Today, it has dropped to 10.75. The case-to-recovery ratio has risen to 2.35. Both are currently heading in the wrong direction, which shows that the disease is still spreading faster than the recoveries. When case-to-recovery begins to fall, it means that the spread has slowed down globally. And when recoveries-to-death ration begins to rise, it means we are getting a more accurate assessment for the morbidity rate of this disease.
Incidentally, the recovery-death ratio in Hubei is now 18.00. I believe the US will do even better. Look for final numbers in the 30s.
I too celebrate the 74 recovered, and a pray they do not suffer lasting injury.
Thanx for struggling with me to make yourself understood.
My communications skills are not the best, but I will always try. Thanks for your patience. My overall point is that you can't determine who will win a basketball game after the first 3 minutes of play.
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85? That's about all one has, how many full flu-seasons? Oh, none. Gee.
No seasons with already a lot of preventative measures in play, not allowing cruise ships to dock, screening at airports, etc. etc.
Plus the fact corona is more lethal and contagious than most strains of flue.
85, 85, do I heard 90, Sounds more like an auction.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrWTcYK-eSU#)
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She ridicules me and you ask ME to "lighten up"?
Why don't you extend some latitude to those who don't take such bullshit lying down.
And NO, we're NOT all in this panic mode together. I refuse to play the panic game when 85 is about three orders of magnitude below the flu deaths of two years ago.
Trust me Deery, I don't need to ridicule you as you do such a good job of it yourself.
888heartkitty
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My communications skills are not the best, but I will always try. Thanks for your patience. My overall point is that you can't determine who will win a basketball game after the first 3 minutes of play.
Thanx for your substantive reply. I didn't disagree with anything enough to want to pursue it. Stay healthy @Hoodat
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Trust me Deery, I don't need to ridicule you as you do such a good job of it yourself.
IF that were true, then why did you ridicule me, and now contradict yourself, "Neverdul" (sic).
The point of this thread, which obviously you have yet to discern, is to give people facts and deter them from the
irrational panic. So far, you and others like you have only detracted from common sense and dissemination of facts contrary to the panic.
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IF that were true, then why did you ridicule me, and now contradict yourself, "Neverdul" (sic).
The point of this thread, which obviously you have yet to discern, is to give people facts and deter them from the
irrational panic. So far, you and others like you have only detracted from common sense and dissemination of facts contrary to the panic.
You’ve done a heck of a lot of ridiculing here for a newcomer.
Take a step back and think twice about accusing conservatives of voting for Hillary because they have a different view on things than you do.
That’s verboten here, in case you’re too new to know that.
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Good grief ... squabbling between TBR members at a time like this.:shrug:
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Good grief ... squabbling between TBR members at a time like this.:shrug:
Yeah.
Hey, y'all...
NO FIGHTING IN THE WAR ROOM!
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You’ve done a heck of a lot of ridiculing here for a newcomer.
Take a step back and think twice about accusing conservatives of voting for Hillary because they have a different view on things than you do.
That’s verboten here, in case you’re too new to know that.
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck..." then it might be you acting like a Trump hater.
I'm attempting to sew calm in a sea of panic and you ridicule me for it. That's typical of the hateful, petty left.
Your experience here is not serving you well. Don't lecture me on what is or is not "verboten". When is the last time they banned anyone for being petty and hateful and vulgar as so many others have been? I have yet to see the first.
MIT biologist says fear mongering on coronavirus will go down as biggest fraud to manipulate economies | Tech News | Startups News
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/ (https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/)
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"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck..." then it might be you acting like a Trump hater.
I'm attempting to sew calm in a sea of panic and you ridicule me for it. That's typical of the hateful, petty left.
Your experience here is not serving you well. Don't lecture me on what is or is not "verboten". When is the last time they banned anyone for being petty and hateful and vulgar as so many others have been? I have yet to see the first.
MIT biologist says fear mongering on coronavirus will go down as biggest fraud to manipulate economies | Tech News | Startups News
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/ (https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/)
If you think that I’m “ridiculing†you, you are the most easily bruised Briefer I’ve encountered in 8 years here. :laugh:
But since you clearly are unaware of the long standing rule here, accusing someone who disagrees with you of being a “Hillary supporter†IS against the rules.
Now I would suggest that since your ego is easily bruised that you get a thicker skin or take some time off this forum that encourages independent thought and spend your time on one that encourages groupthink only.
You’ll be happier there....
Edited to add: you must be terribly disappointed in Trump these days since he actually IS taking this pandemic seriously.....
Maybe you should write him a letter accusing him of voting for Hillary! :silly:
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But since you clearly are unaware of the long standing rule here, accusing someone who disagrees with you of being a “Hillary supporter†IS against the rules.
Is there a rule here against accusing someone who actually agrees with you as being a "liberal"? Asking for a friend.
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Is there a rule here against accusing someone who actually agrees with you as being a "liberal"? Asking for a friend.
I have no idea......
I have noticed that this issue has divided folks differently than pro or anti-Trump.
There are people from across the Trump spectrum who are on opposite sides of how serious this pandemic is, and how it should be treated.
Been kinda fascinating to observe...
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I'm attempting to sew calm in a sea of panic and you ridicule me for it.
I find laughter calming. Thank you @DeerSlayer
MIT biologist says fear mongering on coronavirus will go down as biggest fraud to manipulate economies | Tech News | Startups News
I don't trust those liberal pointy headed elitists. I trust my President who say stay the hell at home.
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I find laughter calming. Thank you @DeerSlayer
I don't trust those liberal pointy headed elitists. I trust my President who say stay the hell at home.
But you should trust the guy who claims (falsely) to have invented email.
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Is there a rule here against accusing someone who actually agrees with you as being a "liberal"? Asking for a friend.
I would not say it's a hard and fast "rule," but when I see people doing it, it throws more than one straw up on that troll camel's back.
I don't like it, it makes me unhappy, and nobody likes me when I get unhappy.
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I would not say it's a hard and fast "rule," but when I see people doing it, it throws more than one straw up on that troll camel's back.
I don't like it, it makes me unhappy, and nobody likes me when I get unhappy.
I love you ALL the time!! 888heartkitty
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I love you ALL the time!! 888heartkitty
You're a rare bird! To love somebody when they're unpleasant is golden! Thanks!! :kisses2:
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Yeah.
Hey, y'all...
NO FIGHTING IN THE WAR ROOM!
Classic movie quote!!!!! Lololol
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJx_XLdlmfc&feature=emb_logo#)
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You're a rare bird! To love somebody when they're unpleasant is golden! Thanks!! :kisses2:
:beer:
That’s why you keep me around even when I misbehave!
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I have never seen so much foolishness and cowardice on display anywhere in my life. The local grocery store has been out of stuff like bread,milk,water,paper towels,eggs,and toilet paper by early afternoon the last 3 days in my local grocery store.
Went for an appointment with my cancer doc yesterday,and damned if there weren't nurses out in the hallway asking patients with appointments if they had been feeling bad or sick,if they had fevers,and if they were feeling bad.
When they asked me if I was feeling bad,I told them "I feel just peachy-keen. The only reason I even
left the house today was the neekid wimmins had already gone,and I was bored." Despite this they still gave me a paper mask to wear.
What are the odds of cancer patients visiting their doctors NOT feeling bad?
I even saw a news report on my local tv that showed people in cars lined up waiting for a open parking
spot at a gunstore so they could go in and buy a gun and/or ammo.I even saw a news report on my local tv that showed people in cars lined up waiting for a open parking
spot at a gunstore so they could go in and buy a gun and/or ammo. These are adult human beings living in a city somewhere who have just suddenly decided they want/need a gun,so are there to buy a new cammo AR-15. Or at least that is what one guy they ‌interviewed proudly showed them.
Want to know WHO shouldn't be allowed to buy a firearm today? Anybody that is an adult and has never owned a gun before.
Combined with the panic and fear,it is almost a certainty that innocent people are going to be shot to death by people with ZERO confrontational experience in the next week or so.
The only people at risk from the virus are geezers like me who are already weak from some illness,yet young adults who SHOULD know better are in a full-tilet panic.
I never thought I would live long enough to see America population by cowards.
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Agree. Obama brought Ebola patients to the US for treatment instead of treating them in situ and no one batted an eye.
@skeeter
Yes,but he is of a Master Race that must never be criticized.
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Thirty-eight dead to date in America. Panic to your heart's content. Fake News is your pied piper.
@DeerSlayer
More people than that died in traffic accidents during the same time period.
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I have never seen so much foolishness and cowardice on display anywhere in my life. The local grocery store has been out of stuff like bread,milk,water,paper towels,eggs,and toilet paper by early afternoon the last 3 days in my local grocery store.
I told the assistant manager at Publix today that they needed to quadruple the price of toilet paper just to stop people from hoarding it. She said, "We can't do that." I asked, "Why not?"
At the current price, supply is not meeting demand. Raise the price, and supply will increase while demand decreases. It is Econ 101. But everyone is too damn afraid to offend anyone with higher prices, but they have no problem selling their entire stock every other day in a matter of minutes while people by nineteen packs of toilet paper just because the supply happens to be there at that moment and price is too good to pass up. Heck, we may even get some toilet paper smugglers sneaking it out of neighboring states to take advantage of the higher price here.
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@DeerSlayer
More people than that died in traffic accidents during the same time period.
More than 38 died crossing the street this past week.
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@skeeter
Yes,but he is of a Master Race that must never be criticized.
@sneakypete And we privileged few must be made to suffer as the Sun People do every day in the 3rd world.
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I told the assistant manager at Publix today that they needed to quadruple the price of toilet paper just to stop people from hoarding it. She said, "We can't do that." I asked, "Why not?"
At the current price, supply is not meeting demand. Raise the price, and supply will increase while demand decreases. It is Econ 101. But everyone is too damn afraid to offend anyone with higher prices, but they have no problem selling their entire stock every other day in a matter of minutes while people by nineteen packs of toilet paper just because the supply happens to be there at that moment and price is too good to pass up. Heck, we may even get some toilet paper smugglers sneaking it out of neighboring states to take advantage of the higher price here.
Still no hand sanitizer in this area. My sister-in-law in AZ was able to get some -- I might have her ship me some if it doesn't become available around here soon.
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Hand Sanitizer
(https://ic.carid.com/gojo/automotive-chemicals/1132-12_1.jpg)
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Hundreds are dying a day in Spain and Italy.
Oh yeah, real convincing and thought out, "well, that's not America".
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But you should trust the guy who claims (falsely) to have invented email.
Be didn't invent email he invented the internet and the book Love Story was based on him.
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Classic movie quote!!!!! Lololol
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJx_XLdlmfc&feature=emb_logo#)
One of my all time favorite movies, but I'm a Cold War kid.
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You're a rare bird! To love somebody when they're unpleasant is golden stupid!
Fixed it 4 ya
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Hundreds are dying a day in Spain and Italy.
Don't be an Eeyore
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQI0E1WCLMU&list=PLvhPJqjUTOl4sfNDUDBv4AHRYsw5I3H5s#)
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Fixed it 4 ya
If'n you all stay nice, I stay pleasant.
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I told the assistant manager at Publix today that they needed to quadruple the price of toilet paper just to stop people from hoarding it. She said, "We can't do that." I asked, "Why not?"
At the current price, supply is not meeting demand. Raise the price, and supply will increase while demand decreases. It is Econ 101. But everyone is too damn afraid to offend anyone with higher prices, but they have no problem selling their entire stock every other day in a matter of minutes while people by nineteen packs of toilet paper just because the supply happens to be there at that moment and price is too good to pass up. Heck, we may even get some toilet paper smugglers sneaking it out of neighboring states to take advantage of the higher price here.
I have noticed signs in the stores limiting purchase quantities. So far no one is really trying to go around that, but you want to get a few things, you just take the time to hit up multiple businesses. Even thinking outside the box works a little. All the prepackaged ground beef in one store was gone, but there was ground sirloin in the meat case with no limit posted. (I bought six pounds, three 2# packages, just one pound more than the ordinary 5# limit around town for regular ground beef. In the local grocery store, limits on milk, meat (ground beef, especially), etc. are posted, and people seemed to be complying with those.
Absent: Distilled water, bread (except tortillas and bagels), toilet paper, disinfectant, pizza rolls, hot pockets, and the like.
There was little bacon or ground beef, and the roasts were in short supply. Overheard in the butcher shop, was that prices are already rising, and expected to double in the next week.
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As Newt Gingrich wrote in his opinion piece a few days ago, paraphrasing, "2 weeks ago, Italians were drinking wine...", none of this stuff was bothering them... now, over 400 deaths reported today, Wednesday and if we get that kind of rate, it will be a lot higher.
Yeah, National Healthcare, hey, we are only talking about a 2 week time span more or less.
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Fixed it 4 ya
Actually, the correction should be “obedient to what God commands us to do.†happy77
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If you think that I’m “ridiculing†you, you are the most easily bruised Briefer I’ve encountered in 8 years here. :laugh:
But since you clearly are unaware of the long standing rule here, accusing someone who disagrees with you of being a “Hillary supporter†IS against the rules.
Disagreement is one thing. Posting a hideous picture and calling that me is hardly mere disagreement.
Pettiness of that sort is entirely characteristic of vile Leftists. Your laughter is entirely feigned, the way Leftists do that too.
"The rules" don't prevent anybody from vulgar language and pettiness, which is why I have several entries on my Ignore List. You keep pushing and defending your indefensible conduct and putting YOUR conduct on me, you'll go on.
I enjoy reading and learning. So far, you haven't provided any learning material, only giggly attacks which when pointed out, you blame on me. Why don't you try to say something worthwhile? Or is that too much to ask.
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Disagreement is one thing. Posting a hideous picture and calling that me is hardly mere disagreement.
Pettiness of that sort is entirely characteristic of vile Leftists. Your laughter is entirely feigned, the way Leftists do that too.
"The rules" don't prevent anybody from vulgar language and pettiness, which is why I have several entries on my Ignore List. You keep pushing and defending your indefensible conduct and putting YOUR conduct on me, you'll go on.
I enjoy reading and learning. So far, you haven't provided any learning material, only giggly attacks which when pointed out, you blame on me. Why don't you try to say something worthwhile? Or is that too much to ask.
What in heaven's name are you talking about???
Methinks you have me confused with someone else.
Now calm yourself. You'll never survive this place if you can't deal with any thoughts that don't comply with yours.
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From Once-Ler:
I find laughter calming. Thank you @DeerSlayer
I don't trust those liberal pointy headed elitists. I trust my President who say stay the hell at home.
I could only read your post because it was copied in a Neverdul (sic) post.
Well done, @Once-Ler .
Laughter is often relative as well as often phony. Although I don't know what amused you, but pointy headed elitists don't laugh at their emotional tirades of election night, which are all over the internet. So laughter and calming are in the eye of the beholder.
I'll give you and others a few of my original puns which are completely apolitical and can therefore be enjoyed by all, except those perhaps who need explanations.
Definition: "washer" - what you do when your bitch is dirty.
I pick up trash daily, wherever I go, and a large washer presented itself in a parking lot two days ago. Eureka!
What did Tigger say to Winnie the Pooh?
You wash my back and I'll wash Eeyores.
When the biology professor retired from University of Arizona, he returned to Cuba with his pet poisonous lizard, named "Havana Gila."
If you don't like those, I have others. Many others.
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What in heaven's name are you talking about???
Methinks you have me confused with someone else.
Now calm yourself. You'll never survive this place if you can't deal with any thoughts that don't comply with yours.
@musiclady
@DeerSlayer is all in a tizzy because of my post
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2170730.html#msg2170730 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2170730.html#msg2170730)
which was meant to be a funny jab at him because of all the people he’s put on his ignore list because he doesn’t agree with them.
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@musiclady
@DeerSlayer is all in a tizzy because of my post
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2170730.html#msg2170730 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,394834.msg2170730.html#msg2170730)
which was meant to be a funny jab at him because of all the people he’s put on his ignore list because he doesn’t agree with them.
It actually IS funny! :beer:
(I suppose I've been added to his Ignore list now! LOL!)
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I could only read your post because it was copied in a Neverdul (sic) post.
Well done, @Once-Ler .
You don't need to offer me an excuse to read my posts ever again.
Laughter is often relative as well as often phony. Although I don't know what amused you, but pointy headed elitists don't laugh at their emotional tirades of election night, which are all over the internet. So laughter and calming are in the eye of the beholder.
My laughter is hearty and genuine @DeerSlayer
I'll give you and others a few of my original puns which are completely apolitical and can therefore be enjoyed by all, except those perhaps who need explanations.
Definition: "washer" - what you do when your bitch is dirty.
I pick up trash daily, wherever I go, and a large washer presented itself in a parking lot two days ago. Eureka!
What did Tigger say to Winnie the Pooh?
You wash my back and I'll wash Eeyores.
When the biology professor retired from University of Arizona, he returned to Cuba with his pet poisonous lizard, named "Havana Gila."
If you don't like those, I have others. Many others.
Absolutely. Keep 'em coming.
Here is one for you...
40% of children is just their legs.
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which was meant to be a funny jab at him because of all the people he’s put on his ignore list because he doesn’t agree with them.
You post a hideous picture of a freak, calling it me, and say it's "funny"?
Suppose I made fun of the baby that is your avatar and called that "funny". What would you say then?
You can't get anything straight. I provide information and analysis. Leftists and other haters attack me personally without providing intelligent counterpoint - the same thing you did. Disagree with me all you wish, but don't just spew profanity, and hateful commentary, and in your case, vile pictures which YOU characterize as "funny". Depends on your point of view, doesn't it. You have no class. You're AlwaysDull.
ciao
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You don't need to offer me an excuse to read my posts ever again. My laughter is hearty and genuine @DeerSlayer
Absolutely. Keep 'em coming.
Here is one for you...
40% of children is just their legs.
AlwaysDull just took your place. A hearty and genuine bravo to you @Once-Ler .
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@DeerSlayer The more people you put on ignore, the fewer posts you have to read. This is poison for writers who post their original work here, because they miss out on valuable feedback to their work. If you have developed a long Ignore List, I recommend looking that list over and pruning it, because if you can't take critical posts on your work, then you are in the wrong business.
J/S
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A log on a......
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@DeerSlayer The more people you put on ignore, the fewer posts you have to read. This is poison for writers who post their original work here, because they miss out on valuable feedback to their work. If you have developed a long Ignore List, I recommend looking that list over and pruning it, because if you can't take critical posts on your work, then you are in the wrong business.
J/S
Mister Liberty, you have lectured me repeatedly but I have not seen you address others who have been very offensive and/or vulgar. You tolerate some a good deal more than others.
As to what is "valuable feedback," that is in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it. Critical is one thing. Simply spouting one-liners without providing reasonable counterpoints is very different. I'm open to facts, ideas, counterarguments. I'm not open to women who post some movie monster and calling it me. That's petty. I don't stoop to responding in kind - to a slapfight. I'm being critical of YOUR work here, and you can't tolerate it one bit. I suggest that you are in the wrong business. I don't work here. I'm just visiting and enjoying it less and less.
The number of people on my list is very short. If it's such a bad idea, why does this forum have one?
I do not suffer fools gladly. Aren't you paying attention? I just removed one member, Once-Ler, who responded to me in a friendly manner, unlike AlwaysDull. Pretty funny rename, huh!
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Mister Liberty, you have lectured me repeatedly but I have not seen you address others who have been very offensive and/or vulgar. You tolerate some a good deal more than others. Critical is one thing. Simply spouting one-liners without providing reasonable counterpoints is very different. I'm open to facts, ideas, counterarguments. I'm not open to women who post some movie monster and calling it me. That's petty. I'm being critical of YOUR work here, and you can't tolerate it one bit. I suggest that you are in the wrong business. I don't work here. I'm just visiting and enjoying it less and less.
The number of people on my list is very short. If it's such a bad idea, why does this forum have one?
I do not suffer fools gladly. Aren't you paying attention? I just removed one member, Once-Ler, who responded to me in a friendly manner, unlike AlwaysDull. Pretty funny rename, huh!
That the cross an Admin must bear. You would not believe the level of bullshit I get sometimes, but I will never complain about it, because it goes with the territory. I was just giving you some friendly advice, and you are entitled to either take it or leave it, I'm pretty easy that way. :shrug:
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You post a hideous picture of a freak, calling it me, and say it's "funny"?
Suppose I made fun of the baby that is your avatar and called that "funny". What would you say then?
You can't get anything straight. I provide information and analysis. Leftists and other haters attack me personally without providing intelligent counterpoint - the same thing you did. Disagree with me all you wish, but don't just spew profanity, and hateful commentary, and in your case, vile pictures which YOU characterize as "funny". Depends on your point of view, doesn't it. You have no class. You're AlwaysDull.
ciao
Hideous picture of a freak? No such thing implied, but you are rather "precious".
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Hideous picture of a freak? No such thing implied, but you are rather "precious".
Methinks he is literarily unaware of JRR Tolkien and whose photograph that is. happy77
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You took my spot @Neverdul I hope it is comfy as I have a considerably wide butt and my spot should be roomier than your average Briefer. Enjoy
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Methinks he is literarily unaware of JRR Tolkien and whose photograph that is. happy77
You could not be more wrong. I am very well read, but fiction is of much less interest to me than reality. Here's something you and your unladylike friend utterly failed to consider.
How is it that caricaturing someone as hideous is, in your and her thinking, "funny," but calling someone a liberal is "verboten"? Where is this "verboten" language in the list of GOPBR rules, hmmm?
Now I have read and critiqued a number of Carl Sagan's books. How many Sagan books have you personally read? He made countless egregious errors in one book after another, as did Richard Dawkins. I wrote to Sagan's publisher pointing out some of them and Carl sent me a letter asking me to buy his newest book. How silly of him to ignore my points of his errors. I sold his letter on eBay for $125, and Isaac Asimov's postcard for $75. My but was Asimov hateful. But then again, hatred is one metier of Leftists.
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Yamin
Trump is right about the coronavirus, the WHO is wrong' - Israeli Expert
Oded Carmeli
Haaretz
© Tomer Applebaum
Dr. Dan Yamin has developed models for predicting the spread of infectious diseases, and helped curb the Ebola epidemic. He says the coronavirus could take some 13,000 lives in Israel - but there's cause for optimism
Although we're both Westernized countries, we are absolutely not South Korea. South Korea has one of the highest proportions of elderly people in the world, whereas Israel tops the graph in fertility, and we have a very young population. So, if we use the upper limit [of mortality] of South Korea and normalize the mortality rate for the population in Israel, we are talking about the probability of a mortality rate of 0.3 percent among those who have been infected.
By the way, it will recede in a converging exponential; in other words, the coronavirus can be expected to disappear from this region with the same dizzying speed with which it entered our lives."
This is different from most respiratory ailments. With those illnesses, like RSV or flu, this is a key population: The 5-to-19 age group is not at risk but they are responsible for infecting others."
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A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate
350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations
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Case fatality rate - Socialized Medicine KILLS!
Italy 10%
Iran 7.6%
Spain 7.4%
Netherlands 5.84%
France 5.27%
UK 4.84%
China 4.04%
US 1.4%
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My laughter is hearty and genuine @DeerSlayer
Absolutely. Keep 'em coming.
Not my original but too good not to share @Once-Ler :
(How do I embed these in the main page? Somebody tell me. Cut and paste does not work for me.)
We asked the guy at the tackle store in Minnesota how to catch a big fish in the winter. He said we need a big ice hole. So we brought a Democrat.
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(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394834.0;attach=6443;image)
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Not my original but too good not to share @Once-Ler :
(How do I embed these in the main page? Somebody tell me. Cut and paste does not work for me.)
We asked the guy at the tackle store in Minnesota how to catch a big fish in the winter. He said we need a big ice hole. So we brought a Democrat.
@DeerSlayer good one. Hope you enjoy this.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3Eo9cScEQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3Eo9cScEQ#)
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Copy the URL of where the picture resides. hit the IMG button (right below the B for BOLD) and insert the link between the IMG] ***link here***[/img
(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394834.0;attach=6443;image)
That's assuming that I even give one shit about what you are talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08
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That's assuming that I even give one shit about what you are talking about.
Maybe just my opinion but this is what the bad orange man does to people. It will take a long time before he has earned my trust in his leadership, but I don't doubt he is trying to do the best he can, and is capable of more.
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(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394834.0;attach=6443;image)
I do not have the picture in a URL.
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Maybe just my opinion but this is what the bad orange man does to people. It will take a long time before he has earned my trust in his leadership, but I don't doubt he is trying to do the best he can, and is capable of more.
"Bad orange man." Everything is his fault, isn't it. When Leftists are hateful and malicious, HE did it.
This was why I put you on ignore earlier - your vile cynicism. It poisons everything. Ah but YOU'RE not a Leftist. You just talk like one.
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I do not have the picture in a URL.
Then it is outside my area of expertise, Sorry.
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"Bad orange man." Everything is his fault, isn't it. When Leftists are hateful and malicious, HE did it.
This was why I put you on ignore earlier - your vile cynicism. It poisons everything. Ah but YOU'RE not a Leftist. You just talk like one.
@DeerSlayer I agree I'm a cynic, but did you see where I optimistically said President Trump "is trying to do the best he can, and is capable of more." I will also admit I think there is plenty of blame for politicians who refuse to condemn corruption within their party, and voters who are incapable of questioning their beliefs because their protective media bubble reinforces their programing. happy? happy77
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Latest update:
1.8% fatality rate in U.S. based on confirmed cases. The total number is undoubtedly much higher since many infected with the virus are asymptomatic or don't feel ill enough to see a doctor.
In my home county, 4 deaths in the population of 3.2 million. Cars are much more deadly. So is heart disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and accidents.
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@ I will also admit I think there is plenty of blame for politicians who refuse to condemn corruption within their party, and voters who are incapable of questioning their beliefs because their protective media bubble reinforces their programing.
Equating the parties is a favorite tactic of the Democrats. When they lie through their teeth, they excuse it with "Everybody does it." When Bush quoted the CIA Director that WMDs in Iraq are "a slam dunk," Bush was reviled as a liar. "Bush lied an people died." No, Bush did NOT lie. There are plenty of videos showing Democrats saying Iraq had WMDs. All of the Dems agreed UNTIL Bush said it. Same with Trump and the wall. You sound like them.
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Latest update:
1.8% fatality rate in U.S. based on confirmed cases. The total number is undoubtedly much higher since many infected with the virus are asymptomatic or don't feel ill enough to see a doctor.
In my home county, 4 deaths in the population of 3.2 million. Cars are much more deadly. So is heart disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and accidents.
I know its easy to toss this issue aside, but the U.S. is just starting to deal with this virus. It isn't contained, nor has it be eradicated and it doesn't look like it's going to go away with warmer weather. It spreads easily and very quickly.
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Equating the parties is a favorite tactic of the Democrats. When they lie through their teeth, they excuse it with "Everybody does it." When Bush quoted the CIA Director that WMDs in Iraq are "a slam dunk," Bush was reviled as a liar. "Bush lied an people died." No, Bush did NOT lie. There are plenty of videos showing Democrats saying Iraq had WMDs. All of the Dems agreed UNTIL Bush said it. Same with Trump and the wall. You sound like them.
You don't have a clue who I am. I proudly voted for Dubya twice and have never regretted it, and I believe he is the greatest President of my life time. Did you mistake me for @sneakypete ? or perhaps President Birther?
“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush,†- https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/407398-trump-slams-bush-for-worst-single-mistake-in-us-history
When you say rats suck, I agree and they are half the problem with this country.
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You don't have a clue who I am. I proudly voted for Dubya twice and have never regretted it, and I believe he is the greatest President of my life time. Did you mistake me for @sneakypete ? or perhaps President Birther?
@Once-Ler
Trust me,nobody sane mistook you for me.
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@Once-Ler
Trust me,nobody sane mistook you for me.
Now that's funny right there I don't care who you are. :rolling:
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@Once-Ler
Trust me,nobody sane mistook you for me.
I considered that before I posted.
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Latest update:
1.8% fatality rate in U.S. based on confirmed cases. The total number is undoubtedly much higher since many infected with the virus are asymptomatic or don't feel ill enough to see a doctor.
In my home county, 4 deaths in the population of 3.2 million. Cars are much more deadly. So is heart disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, and accidents.
More cases asymptomatic or mild, don't increase the fatality rate, they decrease it.
(deaths/Total cases)*100=% mortality
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To be honest, both of you make, even me, wonder who the Fck I am and what the he11 am I doing here, at times.
That's a good thing. :beer:
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@DeerSlayer
(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=394834.0;attach=6443;image)
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I know its easy to toss this issue aside, but the U.S. is just starting to deal with this virus. It isn't contained, nor has it be eradicated and it doesn't look like it's going to go away with warmer weather. It spreads easily and very quickly.
NOBODY is "tossing this issue aside." NOBODY.
The problem is that too many people are inciting panic which is foolish and destructive.
You're part of that problem.
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You're part of that problem.
You win the dumbest post :0012:
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NOBODY is "tossing this issue aside." NOBODY.
The problem is that too many people are inciting panic which is foolish and destructive.
You're part of that problem.
So ... exactly how am I inciting panic?? :pop41:
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You win the dumbest post :0012:
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The most recent graph and data from CDC continues to express my views that this panic has been overblown by Fake News, Trump Haters, and those who claim to be Republicans but act otherwise, e.g. Member Name Redacted.
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I thing there's more Conservatives here than Republicans, @DeerSlayer /JS
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So ... exactly how am I inciting panic?? :pop41:
I have to explain it? YOUR WORDS:
"I know its easy to toss this issue aside, but the U.S. is just starting to deal with this virus. It isn't contained, nor has it be eradicated and it doesn't look like it's going to go away with warmer weather. It spreads easily and very quickly."
I repeat, NOBODY "tossed this issue aside." NOBODY. Your words ring very false and very hollow.
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I have to explain it? YOUR WORDS:
"I know its easy to toss this issue aside, but the U.S. is just starting to deal with this virus. It isn't contained, nor has it be eradicated and it doesn't look like it's going to go away with warmer weather. It spreads easily and very quickly."
I repeat, NOBODY "tossed this issue aside." NOBODY. Your words ring very false and very hollow.
I'm glad you revived this story @DeerSlayer on March 12th when you started "Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL" the US death toll was 41.
When it became too embarrassing for many others to post on it at April 4th the US death toll was at 8469.
15 days later we will hit 40K.
so thanx.
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I'm glad you revived this story @DeerSlayer on March 12th when you started "Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL" the US death toll was 41.
When it became too embarrassing for many others to post on it at April 4th the US death toll was at 8469.
15 days later we will hit 40K.
so thanx.
You are correct in that NO ONE anticipated the level of incompetence (best case) or willingness to sacrifice New Yorkers for the sake of political gain (worst case) found in New York City and the surrounding counties (collateral damage).
Only those consumed with lust for power and hate for their opponents would ever consider using their positions to spread misinformation in the midst of an unknown epidemic.
While others were attempting to quell panic, these politicians encouraged the very sort of behaviour through misinformation, lies, and encouragement of behaviour which would guarantee that those they allegedly represent would spread any disease among themselves at a high rate, and they succeeded beyond all expectations. They assured people that the disease was not contagious, parroting the WHO and the CCP, and in defiance (their words) of the emerging pandemic encouraged people to gather in large numbers to 'prove' they were not "prejudiced".
"Hate" that, willya?
By itself, downstate New York has the highest rate of infections per million population of any country in the world. A situation which is almost guaranteed to cause panic, and a high mortality rate, all other social and population density factors considered. The rest of the United States put together doesn't make the top ten. Now, why would that be?
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You are correct in that NO ONE anticipated the level of incompetence (best case) or willingness to sacrifice New Yorkers for the sake of political gain (worst case) found in New York City and the surrounding counties (collateral damage).
Only those consumed with lust for power and hate for their opponents would ever consider using their positions to spread misinformation in the midst of an unknown epidemic.
While others were attempting to quell panic, these politicians encouraged the very sort of behaviour through misinformation, lies, and encouragement of behaviour which would guarantee that those they allegedly represent would spread any disease among themselves at a high rate, and they succeeded beyond all expectations. They assured people that the disease was not contagious, parroting the WHO and the CCP, and in defiance (their words) of the emerging pandemic encouraged people to gather in large numbers to 'prove' they were not "prejudiced".
"Hate" that, willya?
By itself, downstate New York has the highest rate of infections per million population of any country in the world. A situation which is almost guaranteed to cause panic, and a high mortality rate, all other social and population density factors considered. The rest of the United States put together doesn't make the top ten. Now, why would that be?
Perhaps if the governor (with zero medical training) had not issued a statewide "no hydroxychoroquine-zinc treatments allowed" order, the death rate wouldn't be as high.
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Perhaps if the governor (with zero medical training) had not issued a statewide "no hydroxychoroquine-zinc treatments allowed" order, the death rate wouldn't be as high.
Cuomo did that? I only knew about NV and MI Governors doing that....
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Cuomo did that? I only knew about NV and MI Governors doing that....
Cuomo's Executive Order (https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/EO_202.10.pdf)
Hydroxychloroquine only allowed for FDA-approved purposes. Fighting SARS-2 is not one of them.
Near the end:
No pharmacist shall dispense hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine except when written as prescribed for an FDA-approved patient who has tested positive for COVID-19, with such test result documented as part of the prescription. No other experimental or prophylactic use shall be permitted, and any permitted prescription is limited to one fourteen day prescription with no refills.
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Perhaps if the governor (with zero medical training) had not issued a statewide "no hydroxychoroquine-zinc treatments allowed" order, the death rate wouldn't be as high.
Apparently, trials were being conducted as early as April 6, but the delay in using a regimen that is best used early likely cost lives, too. And then there is always the arbitrary addition of "presumed" COVID-19 deaths. Did they shut it down again?
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Cuomo's Executive Order (https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/EO_202.10.pdf)
Hydroxychloroquine only allowed for FDA-approved purposes. Fighting SARS-2 is not one of them.
That changed. FDA approved that use of those meds, soon after the Governors of MI and NV issued orders barring their use. But this is the first I had heard Cuomo was part of that bunch.
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Cuomo did that? I only knew about NV and MI Governors doing that....
"Politifact" said "no", https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/02/facebook-posts/chloroquine-not-banned-michigan-new-york-and-nevad/)
but that doesn't account for these:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-york-county-executives-want-cuomo-to-lift-restrictions-on-hydroxychloroquine-treatment (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-york-county-executives-want-cuomo-to-lift-restrictions-on-hydroxychloroquine-treatment)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/5/rudy-giuliani-urges-andrew-cuomo-lift-hydroxychlor/)
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sean-hannity-gov-cuomo-stop-denying-new-yorkers-hydroxychloroquine (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sean-hannity-gov-cuomo-stop-denying-new-yorkers-hydroxychloroquine)
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-oz-cuomo-potential-coronavirus-treatment-restrictions (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-oz-cuomo-potential-coronavirus-treatment-restrictions)
https://www.change.org/p/governer-andrew-cuomo-stop-the-ban-on-hydroxychloroquine-in-ny?original_footer_petition_id=19929430&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=7&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uANs4RQEAAAAAXoeUwUjYqSo5MzZkNmUzMQ%3D%3D (https://www.change.org/p/governer-andrew-cuomo-stop-the-ban-on-hydroxychloroquine-in-ny?original_footer_petition_id=19929430&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=7&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uANs4RQEAAAAAXoeUwUjYqSo5MzZkNmUzMQ%3D%3D)
https://www.canyon-news.com/ny-governor-bans-possible-covid-19-cure/107073 (https://www.canyon-news.com/ny-governor-bans-possible-covid-19-cure/107073)
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-coronavirus-patients-being-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/ny-coronavirus-patients-being-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug/)
and then this, on April 7: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/07/new-clinical-trials-underway-to-treat-coronavirus-patients (https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/07/new-clinical-trials-underway-to-treat-coronavirus-patients) One such is studying Remdesivir (Isn't that the one the Chinese patented?) Stating the drug is involved in trials, and it will be "six or eight weeks" before results of the blind study (which utilizes placebos for some patients --IOW, no treatment) are known.
Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin are still being administered to the most critical patients outside of trials. (no mention of the Zinc Sulfate, essential to efficiently stopping viral replication).
(NOTE: by the time a patient is "most critical" the window of opportunity for stopping the virus from replicating has pretty much passed. Early treatment is the key to stopping the patient from becoming critical.)
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Cuomo's Executive Order (https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/EO_202.10.pdf)
Hydroxychloroquine only allowed for FDA-approved purposes. Fighting SARS-2 is not one of them.
Near the end:
The initial regimen (used by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko) called for a five day course, not 14 days, of 200mg Hydroxychloroquine twice daily, 500mg Zithromax, once daily, and 220 mg Zinc Sulfate once daily.
But the bottom line is that the Democrats were trying their damnedest to deny treatment which had showed promise to the people they allegedly represent, even though those politicians don't know squat about medicine.
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the Democrats were trying their damnedest to deny treatment which had showed promise to the people they allegedly represent, even though those politicians don't know squat about medicine.
Heinrich Himmler didn't know squat about genetics either, but that didn't stop him.