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Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
CBS Pittsburg, Sep 25, 2017
Pittsburgh Steelers lineman Alejandro Villanueva says the national anthem ordeal got out of control and he is taking the blame.
“Unfortunately, I threw my teammates under the bus, unintentionally,” Villanueva said. “Every single time I see that picture of me, standing by myself, I feel embarrassed,” Villanueva said in a press conference Monday.
Villanueva was the only Steelers player standing outside the tunnel for the national anthem before their game Sunday against the Chicago Bears.
Villanueva says he asked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger if he could be out in front with the captains during the national anthem and they agreed to it, but when he went to the front of the tunnel to see the flag, he went too far unintentionally.
“When we came out of the locker room into that tunnel, it was a very small area. There was a flag or something coming off the field so there were a bunch of Bears’ fans, coming off the field holding that going in front of us, so it kind of held us up,” Villanueva said.
The rest of the team remained in the tunnel.
“I made my teammates look bad, and that is my fault, and my fault only,” Villanueva said. “We as a team tried to figure it out, but obviously butchered it.”
During his press conference, the former Army Ranger says he is absolutely okay if teammates kneel or sit during the national anthem.
“People that are taking a knee are not saying anything negative about the military, they’re not saying anything negative about the flag, they’re just trying to protest that there are some injustices in America,” Villanueva said.
Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/alejandro-villanueva-speaks-about-national-anthem/
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This is heartbreaking ... have we no heroes?? **nononono*
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Well, it's easier to dislike the entire team. So buzz off, loser Villanueva. Wimp!
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This is heartbreaking ... have we no heroes?? **nononono*
Certainly not in professional sports. Or wait....Drew Brees made a great statement.
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This is heartbreaking ... have we no heroes?? **nononono*
I did until he said all this...
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This is heartbreaking ... have we no heroes?? **nononono*
Disappointing yes heartbreaking no. I don't put my faith in men. I used to enjoy football but now not so much. I hope the NFL goes straight down the memory hole.
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There goes his jersey sales... :whistle:
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Sounds like his coach got to him...if the case, it's very disappointing especially from a very brave man.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=282799.new#new
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Actually, it was your teammates that threw you and the country under the bus.
I hope there is hell to pay.
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Sounds like his coach got to him...if the case, it's very disappointing especially from a very brave man.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=282799.new#new
Villanueva is not a politician but a guy imbued with loyalty to the squad. That now carries over to the team.
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He did what he thought was right. No doubt he is getting a ridiculous amount of pressure about it.
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Villanueva is not a politician but a guy imbued with loyalty to the squad. That now carries over to the team.
That is what his coach argued...Vilanueva should have stayed with his first instinct...
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Actually, it was your teammates that threw you and the country under the bus.
I hope there is hell to pay.
This! 888high58888
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That was interesting.
All the Cowboys and Cardinals took a knee together before the anthem, then all stood together for the anthem.
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That was interesting.
All the Cowboys and Cardinals took a knee together before the anthem, then all stood together for the anthem.
Adios, Vaqueros.
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Adios, Vaqueros.
Que? They stood for the anthem together. Or was this really not about standing for the anthem?
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That was interesting.
All the Cowboys and Cardinals took a knee together before the anthem, then all stood together for the anthem.
It was still a political statement. They absolutely didn't have to take a knee for anything. They think this somehow gets around not kneeling for the NA. It doesn't. They were still making a political statement.
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He caved. He was probably pressured.
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Alejandro Villanueva: 'I feel embarrassed' by anthem foul-up
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/09/25/alejandro-villanueva-steelers-national-anthem-protest/stories/201709250175
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He seems to be saying that the team actually wanted to be out there?
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Time to start taking away all the tax bennies these people live off of. Once the teams have to pay full freight for their stadiums and everything else, those precious salaries will take more than a little haircut.
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The whole ambience of the NFL has made it to where it's been knocked down on my priorities for years; the main thing has been the concussion issue.
How do the sayings go? The heroes are firemen, those who really make sacrifices, those feeding the hungry and so on.
As for Villanueva, others may not feel this way, I've never really liked Roethlisberger but it seems he's come out trying to mend some fences, he was there in the corridor; it's looking like a mix-up to me. A player is only one small part of the team, even the quarterbacks.
Unfortunately, it appears this will spread to other sports.
There are ways to make a protest, disrespecting our flag is a pretty sorry way to.
This statement is very disjointed, I hope it's not too incoherent. A lot of different ideas on all of this today.
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Que? They stood for the anthem together. Or was this really not about standing for the anthem?
It's mostly about that. It's also about having a venue where fans (the customer) can escape the incessant bickering and division. It's a game, and the whiners have taken all the joy out of it.
What these teams did tonight was cowardly. They straddled the fence. I'm done with football.
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Time to start taking away all the tax bennies these people live off of. Once the teams have to pay full freight for their stadiums and everything else, those precious salaries will take more than a little haircut.
Jerry can take his $150 parking at Jerry World and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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Actually, it was your teammates that threw you and the country under the bus.
I hope there is hell to pay.
:thumbsup:
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Time to start taking away all the tax bennies these people live off of. Once the teams have to pay full freight for their stadiums and everything else, those precious salaries will take more than a little haircut.
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That is what his coach argued...Vilanueva should have stayed with his first instinct...
When your Super Bowl-winning QB writes that "I couldn't sleep...laid awake all night thinking the team was wrong staying in the locker room", etc.,
...any miscue and sloppy play will be blamed on Villanueva.
IMO, THAT'S why he came out and said this.
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It was still a political statement. They absolutely didn't have to take a knee for anything. They think this somehow gets around not kneeling for the NA. It doesn't. They were still making a political statement.
Trying to please two masters? Good luck with that.
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Who gets hosed in this whole thing, is Coach Mike Tomlin, one of the most successful African-American coaches the NFL has had. A bit ironic.
And yes, I'm sure he failed to manage this situation well... cooked up by some guy 1600 miles away on the West coast but he has to deal with it. That's what upsets me a bit about this.
Tomlin all this year, I always see him wearing a cross around his neck, on display.. so that is a positive for me.
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Who gets hosed in this whole thing, is Coach Mike Tomlin, one of the most successful African-American coaches the NFL has had. A bit ironic.
And yes, I'm sure he failed to manage this situation well... cooked up by some guy 1600 miles away on the West coast but he has to deal with it. That's what upsets me a bit about this.
Tomlin all this year, I always see him wearing a cross around his neck, on display.. so that is a positive for me.
His actions speak louder than his jewelry....
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The specific NFL rule pertaining to the National Anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. ... “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition... ...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” Time to fire the disrespectful players!!! FIRE THAT DISRESPECTFUL ARROGANT CE-No and all the thugs who do the disrespectful acts......BOYCOTT the NFL & NBA and all the sponsors do not buy a damn thing !
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His actions speak louder than his jewelry....
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
They ought to make a bumpersticker.
And no, I don't know what is in a man's heart; what if he's done a lot of good charitable work? I would not be so quick to judge and that's pretty condescending to just call a cross "jewelry".
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Baseball plays 162 games a year, what a circus if they have to start having to deal with this. The players are so far from the stands, I don't know if I'd even take notice.
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Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.
They ought to make a bumpersticker.
Absolutely, me as well. But when wearing a cross one should be mindful of ones actions.
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His actions speak louder than his jewelry....
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Vilianueva accidentally got pushed out of the tunnel because of some Chicago Bears fans going by on the field. Other Steelers remained in the tunnel, see picture. Tomlin said they wanted to stay away from controversy.
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For all we know, Tomlin may have done more charitable work than any of us, so to ridicule his Christianity and the cross as "jewelry" I disagree with.
He is a human being and he was presented with an idiotic situation that he should not have been dealing with in the first place.
I don't think folks are commenting on all facts available and I'm not going to rush to judgement.
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Absolutely, me as well. But when wearing a cross one should be mindful of ones actions.
Well, I thought the cross was just "jewelry", so I agree with your statement, I think.
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The specific NFL rule pertaining to the National Anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook.
Nope. It's not in the NFL Rulebook.
That quote is from the game operations manual.
http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
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I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase. His top selling status will be very short lived.
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"I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase. His top selling status will be very short lived."
Despite our calling these NFLers millionaires which they may well be, they only have an average career of 3 and a half years or something like that. Again, I don't expect people to be perfect; oh the great sin of this Alejandro Villanueva and he did serve in Afghanistan after all. His act still stands.
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Nope. It's not in the NFL Rulebook.
That quote is from the game operations manual.
http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
It still sounds like that NFL game operations manual could carry some weight though; if discipline is an issue. I saw some article on that as well.
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If, IF, the team decided not to participate because some were going to protest and some were not, and they wanted to maintain team unity and/or not bring politics into the game, then maybe he did the "wrong" thing, making it look like his team was protesting when all they were really doing was trying to stay the heck out of it all.
But then I've got a few tours to serve before I criticize his choice.
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"I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase. His top selling status will be very short lived."
Despite our calling these NFLers millionaires which they may well be, they only have an average career of 3 and a half years or something like that. Again, I don't expect people to be perfect; oh the great sin of this Alejandro Villanueva and he did serve in Afghanistan after all. His act still stands.
I thank him for his military service. But if I had bought his jersey yesterday, you can bet I would return it. It's not a charity. People were buying his jersey BECAUSE he stood for the National Anthem.
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Well, I thought the cross was just "jewelry", so I agree with your statement, I think.
Let me clarify. A lot of people wear crosses for a lot of reasons, not necessarily Christian ones. I have seen gangsters and rappers wearing crosses because it was fashionable not because they are even remotely Christian. Same with Bill Clinton carrying the biggest Bible he could find when he was in trouble. So while I appreciate someone wearing a cross, their actions are an important clue to what it really means to them. Conversly as a Christian who wears a cross it is incumbent on me to not let my actions dishonor the One whos symbol I wear. Am I perfect at it? Of course not. But we are ultimately judged by our actions not the symbols we wear. And unfortunately Christianity is often judged by the actions of those wearing its symbol.
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Usually, I would not post Bible verses but if someone likens the cross to jewelry, I remember the words of Paul:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18
That is how I see the cross, as salvation, hardly as jewelry.
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I watched some of Villanueva press conference. Actually, he was there only to give a statement and it sounded to me like it was coerced. The poor guy was talking rapidly, as if he had been given all these talking points and he was trying to be sure he remembered them all.
Seems to me these statements/press conferences were all damage control. Unfortunately, it didn't work, IMO. Trying to avoid the controversy? Nah. They were cowards. Villanueva was the only brave one of the bunch and he has been made to look like the coward. He has nothing to be ashamed of, but the rest of the team, the coaches and the owners do.
Speaking of owners, I saw Art Rooney II's statement, and all I could think of was that the old man, Art Rooney, Sr. wouldn't have put up with this cr@p. If he were around today, those players would have been on the field, standing for the anthem.
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There goes his jersey sales... :whistle:
Monday they said his Jersey salws went through the roof, I wonder how many will be canceled or returned.
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Monday they said his Jersey salws went through the roof, I wonder how many will be canceled or returned.
If there is fallout, Villanueva doesn't deserve it.
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Jerry can take his $150 parking at Jerry World and stick it where the sun don't shine.
@dfwgator
How did he make the trip from "anybody on the team who kneels will be gone" to kneeling himself? That's a long journey. What the hell?
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So the gesture he made at the game is now meaningless. Great.
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@dfwgator
How did he make the trip from "anybody on the team who kneels will be gone" to kneeling himself? That's a long journey. What the hell?
He's taking both sides without actually taking a stand on the issue.
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If there is fallout, Villanueva doesn't deserve it.
@Applewood What do you think would have happened if Al had told Tomlin and Steelers officials, no, I won't apologize for anything, I did the right thing?
Had the team then tried to discipline him, it would have lost even more fans.
I wish he had not knuckled under the way he did. **nononono*
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So the gesture he made at the game is now meaningless. Great.
Like hell, it is.
The majority of 'fans' understand the position he was in, once Mike Tomlin made the '100% unity' statment.
Roethisberger's statement of insomnia/guilt 'Trumps' Tomlin's.
I'd proudly still wear/buy his jersey.
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@Applewood What do you think would have happened if Al had told Tomlin and Steelers officials, no, I won't apologize for anything, I did the right thing?
Had the team then tried to discipline him, it would have lost even more fans.
I wish he had not knuckled under the way he did. **nononono*
I do too, but I still think he was coerced somehow. Under those circumstances, I'm willing to forgive him, not the rest of the team and management.
Let's see what these guys do next Sunday. If the team comes out, and stands at attention to honor the flag, maybe fans will forgive them. Another stunt like Sunday's and the fans will be gone.
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If there is fallout, Villanueva doesn't deserve it.
@Applewood, respectfully I disagree. He took a stand when he walked out on the field alone and stood for the anthem. He then reneged on that when he said he was wrong for doing that. The brave thing was to stand alone.
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I tend to agree, @verga. He did the brave, right thing on Sunday. He did a chicken thing on Monday.
It's hard to believe an Army Ranger with a Bronze Star wouldn't exhibit more backbone, even to his boss.
Having lost all interest in pro football, I really don't care what he or any of the rest of them do this weekend.
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He caved. He was probably pressured.
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This
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I tend to agree, @verga. He did the brave, right thing on Sunday. He did a chicken thing on Monday.
It's hard to believe an Army Ranger with a Bronze Star wouldn't exhibit more backbone, even to his boss.
Having lost all interest in pro football, I really don't care what he or any of the rest of them do this weekend.
Have to agree.
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The Steelers team decided how they were going to deal with the issue, I think people are misconstruing Tomlin's role in this, he's the coach but the team made a decision.
Villanueva by err, got caught outside the tunnel where a number of Steelers including Roethlisberger and others were. So, it was not a situation where Villanueva said to heck with 'em and ran out there.
The Steelers in error, were trying to avoid the whole controversy. Locking arms is not much better if it is even. I'm not going to diss the Steelers for basically coming up with a comedy of errors, the team made the decision and they've been transparent about it. Villanueva and Tomlin say the same thing. Their stories match up.
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I have to give Trump credit, he once again pushed an issue that got his opponents to totally trip themselves up. The steelers look like cowards, as do the entire NFL.
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I have to give Trump credit, he once again pushed an issue that got his opponents to totally trip themselves up. The steelers look like cowards, as do the entire NFL.
Trump makes the masks come off.
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I have to give Trump credit, he once again pushed an issue that got his opponents to totally trip themselves up. The steelers look like cowards, as do the entire NFL.
When a thing like this is simmering underground is when it can go to any absurd length and be believed. When it comes into the open is when the absurdities become clear.
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I have to give Trump credit, he once again pushed an issue that got his opponents to totally trip themselves up. The steelers look like cowards, as do the entire NFL.
But how exactly does this to anything to a) get a budget passed b) get tax reform/cuts introduced to congress c) repeal Obamacare or d) deal with the increasing threats from Russia, China and North Korea?
He's diving head first into the shallow end of the pool and dealing with seriously superficial stuff at the end of the day when he should be concentrating on the really important things that he needs to attend to as President.
It gives the distinct impression and visual that he's unserious about the job.
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But how exactly does this to anything to a) get a budget passed b) get tax reform/cuts introduced to congress c) repeal Obamacare or d) deal with the increasing threats from Russia, China and North Korea?
He's diving head first into the shallow end of the pool and dealing with seriously superficial stuff at the end of the day when he should be concentrating on the really important things that he needs to attend to as President.
It gives the distinct impression and visual that he's unserious about the job.
Your criticisms are valid, it's just that Trump seems to win media battles like this more times than not.
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Time to start taking away all the tax bennies these people live off of. Once the teams have to pay full freight for their stadiums and everything else, those precious salaries will take more than a little haircut.
:amen: Let's see what they think when they are back in the hood pimpin ho's and running dope for a living!
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If, IF, the team decided not to participate because some were going to protest and some were not, and they wanted to maintain team unity and/or not bring politics into the game, then maybe he did the "wrong" thing, making it look like his team was protesting when all they were really doing was trying to stay the heck out of it all.
I think this is probably what happened. I've been told that Coach Tomlin was supposed to be on Glenn Beck to say that, but Goodell stopped him from doing so -- anyone confirm that?
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But how exactly does this to anything to a) get a budget passed b) get tax reform/cuts introduced to congress c) repeal Obamacare or d) deal with the increasing threats from Russia, China and North Korea?
He's diving head first into the shallow end of the pool and dealing with seriously superficial stuff at the end of the day when he should be concentrating on the really important things that he needs to attend to as President.
It gives the distinct impression and visual that he's unserious about the job.
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He's all in that "there's a pony in there somewhere". That being more Congressional and Senate seats so that he can flip the bird to all the obstructionists. In BOTH Parties.
He's used their Alinsky tactics masterfully against them, They don't know if they should poop...or go home.
GO HOME!
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He's all in that "there's a pony in there somewhere". That being more Congressional and Senate seats so that he can flip the bird to all the obstructionists. In BOTH Parties.
He's the President of the United States...notionally the most powerful man in the world...he needs to show leadership. He has the bully pulpit to get Congress off their collective @ss and get something done.
You're more content it seems to defend him with tired 8 year old Mitch McConnell/establishment excuses as to why nothing gets done.
Pathetic.
He's used their Alinsky tactics masterfully against them, They don't know if they should poop...or go home.
So when Obama and Hillary use Alinsky against the country it's evil...but when it's your boy Donny its suddenly perfectly ok?
Double standard much?
GO HOME!
Get bent.
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He's the President of the United States...notionally the most powerful man in the world...he needs to show leadership. He has the bully pulpit to get Congress off their collective @ss and get something done.
You're more content it seems to defend him with tired 8 year old Mitch McConnell/establishment excuses as to why nothing gets done.
Pathetic.
So when Obama and Hillary use Alinsky against the country it's evil...but when it's your boy Donny its suddenly perfectly ok?
Double standard much?
Get bent.
No Tex.....who's pathetic is YOU!
We're trying to expose the LEFT's anti-American agenda. And I'm for using every 'weapon' available.
They've been successful using their tactics....or we wouldn't be here in this situation today.
To not mirror their tactics against them would not only be insane....but it would be CRIMINAL!
...just MHO.
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No Tex.....who's pathetic is YOU!
We're trying to expose the LEFT's anti-American agenda. And I'm for using every 'weapon' available.
They've been successful using their tactics....or we wouldn't be here in this situation today.
To not mirror their tactics against them would not only be insane....but it would be CRIMINAL!
...just MHO.
Expose the Left's agenda??!
It's been proudly naked in the streets for a decade, what's to expose?
Using their tactics just blurs the lines between who is a despicable leftist and who isn't.
Leftist is as leftist does, Forrest.
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No Tex.....who's pathetic is YOU!
We're trying to expose the LEFT's anti-American agenda. And I'm for using every 'weapon' available.
They've been successful using their tactics....or we wouldn't be here in this situation today.
To not mirror their tactics against them would not only be insane....but it would be CRIMINAL!
...just MHO.
To step down to their level would eliminate the reason for being different. No thanks. I don't want to win by losing who I am.
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To step down to their level would eliminate the reason for being different. No thanks. I don't want to win by losing who I am.
You and me both. Sad that some people's beleifs and values are for sale to the highest bidder.
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But how exactly does this to anything to a) get a budget passed b) get tax reform/cuts introduced to congress c) repeal Obamacare or d) deal with the increasing threats from Russia, China and North Korea?
He's diving head first into the shallow end of the pool and dealing with seriously superficial stuff at the end of the day when he should be concentrating on the really important things that he needs to attend to as President.
It gives the distinct impression and visual that he's unserious about the job.
You're right on most of your argument, but this issue is one big reason why Trump got elected in the first place.
No, he shouldn't have made comments about teams firing players or calling them names.
But that's exactly why many of his strongest backers love him...he dives head first into a situation where many others dance around the matter, procrastinate or say nothing.
I rarely watch any NFL games, so if the whole league went down, I wouldn't shed any tears.
But Trump has correctly sensed that many millions of Americans, including me, are fed up with liberal/leftist antics. Rightly or wrongly, he is their loudspeaker.
So while most of our "leaders" are too chicken to make a statement on the matter, Trump isn't. As Rich Lowry now acknowledges, that's a big reason why Trump is the president.
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To step down to their level would eliminate the reason for being different. No thanks. I don't want to win by losing who I am.
You, together with all the 'Principles' in the world....will not be enough to keep you and your offspring out of a life of 'servitude' to the State.
And while you're deciding.....please step to the side and get the hell out of the way.
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You, together with all the 'Principles' in the world....will not be enough to keep you and your offspring out of a life of 'servitude' to the State.
And while you're deciding.....please step to the side and get the hell out of the way.
No thanks. I haven't given up authority for my actions to you or others.
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You, together with all the 'Principles' in the world....will not be enough to keep you and your offspring out of a life of 'servitude' to the State.
And while you're deciding.....please step to the side and get the hell out of the way.
Meanwhile you embrace the very things that have gotten this country to the sorry state its in right now in the name of "revenge".
But revenge isn’t the answer. In the long run, it doesn’t do anyone any good. And it won't do anything to stem the Liberal assault on everything America used to stand for...nor will it restored this country to any semblance of Constitutionality.
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Meanwhile you embrace the very things that have gotten this country to the sorry state its in right now in the name of "revenge".
But revenge isn’t the answer. In the long run, it doesn’t do anyone any good. And it won't do anything to stem the Liberal assault on everything America used to stand for...nor will it restored this country to any semblance of Constitutionality.
Well, some think it is:
” After We Win This Election, It’s Our Turn. Payback Time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time.”
Valerie Jarrett
Some folks around here are sounding more like that reptile every day.
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I love that!
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You, together with all the 'Principles' in the world....will not be enough to keep you and your offspring out of a life of 'servitude' to the State.
And while you're deciding.....please step to the side and get the hell out of the way.
:hands: @DCPatriot
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Meanwhile you embrace the very things that have gotten this country to the sorry state its in right now in the name of "revenge".
But revenge isn’t the answer. In the long run, it doesn’t do anyone any good. And it won't do anything to stem the Liberal assault on everything America used to stand for...nor will it restored this country to any semblance of Constitutionality.
It's not "revenge", numb nutz!
It's a valuable and successfully proven tool to utilize in obtaining victory....and ("...to hear the lamentation of their women") :smokin:
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It's not "revenge", numb nutz!
It's a valuable and successfully proven tool to utilize in obtaining victory....and ("...to hear the lamentation of their women") :smokin:
Genocide works. Chlorine gas. Maybe VX? And there are always nukes (made in the USA, tested in Japan), those work, too. Starvation is a weapon of mass destruction, too.
The hell it isn't revenge, the whole campaign reeked of 'getting even' with anyone who got in your way, just like theirs did.
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You and me both. Sad that some people's beleifs and values are for sale to the highest bidder.
@txradioguy @D C Patriot @Smokin Joe @Thakney
There is a difference between stooping to their level and giving them "a taste of their own medicine".
The leftists/ media have deserved a smack down for a long time and I am glad to see that Trump is willing to take the fight to them.
I don't particularly care for his gutter tactics, but the Republicans/ Conservatives have been the "gentlemen" fighters for too long.
We need our party to be willing to throw an elbow when it is needed.
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Like hell, it is.
The majority of 'fans' understand the position he was in, once Mike Tomlin made the '100% unity' statment.
Roethisberger's statement of insomnia/guilt 'Trumps' Tomlin's.
I'd proudly still wear/buy his jersey.
@DCPatriot
Sure it is. If you apologize for something, say you regret it, and that you're embarrassed you did it, you're saying you wouldn't do it if you could go back.
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I tend to agree, @verga. He did the brave, right thing on Sunday. He did a chicken thing on Monday.
It's hard to believe an Army Ranger with a Bronze Star wouldn't exhibit more backbone, even to his boss.
Having lost all interest in pro football, I really don't care what he or any of the rest of them do this weekend.
@mountaineer
Agreed.
I don't much care, either. I had pretty much lost interest before any of this blew up because my team isn't worth a damn. At least they all stood for the anthem.
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Trump makes the masks come off.
@dfwgator
Yes, but don't don't lose sight of the fact that he did this to create a distraction over his immigration backpedal. No one's talking about that now.
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@txradioguy @D C Patriot @Smokin Joe @Thakney
There is a difference between stooping to their level and giving them "a taste of their own medicine".
The leftists/ media have deserved a smack down for a long time and I am glad to see that Trump is willing to take the fight to them.
I don't particularly care for his gutter tactics, but the Republicans/ Conservatives have been the "gentlemen" fighters for too long.
We need our party to be willing to throw an elbow when it is needed.
Not for me. That attitude won't get my support. And it didn't in this election. I wasn't alone. And I don't intend to change who I am. Wishing I would just go away will work as well as it does with the liberals.
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@DCPatriot
Sure it is. If you apologize for something, say you regret it, and that you're embarrassed you did it, you're saying you wouldn't do it if you could go back.
That wasn't 'Villanueva', who apologized.
His personal DNA instincts pushed him to the point he HAD to see the flag. It was his nature.
You can't blame him no more than that scorpion in the fable.
But, as I have a 'Doctorate' in human nature and the importance of locker room chemistry...gleaned from 60 years dealing with people, and fifteen years of organized baseball.
... I understand Villanueva having to put himself as not a 'Hero', but a selfish rogue, loner.
It was all for his teammates.
There HAD to be at least a dozen other members on that team and/or staff that didn't get the chance to express that same need to stand tall like Villanueva. THEY were cheated.
And they are angry because THEY are grouped in with the herd, while he's selling jerseys as the Lone Ranger. Pun intended.
So....I'll buy the jersey proudly.
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Not for me. That attitude won't get my support. And it didn't in this election. I wasn't alone. And I don't intend to change who I am. Wishing I would just go away will work as well as it does with the liberals.
Nobody told you to go away. It was "step aside". ^-^
Glad you're here, @thackney
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@dfwgator
Yes, but don't don't lose sight of the fact that he did this to create a distraction over his immigration backpedal. No one's talking about that now.
LOL! Opening Day of the NFL waits for nobody.
It was merely a lucky break....a coincidence.
What's fascinating is that nobody is covering the calamity of Puerto Rico. THAT sh*t is real.
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Genocide works. Chlorine gas. Maybe VX? And there are always nukes (made in the USA, tested in Japan), those work, too. Starvation is a weapon of mass destruction, too.
The hell it isn't revenge, the whole campaign reeked of 'getting even' with anyone who got in your way, just like theirs did.
Stop trolling, please? 22222frying pan
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Nobody told you to go away. It was "step aside". ^-^
Glad you're here, @thackney
I'm not interested in watching from the sidelines either.
I'm am glad I'm here and glad for dissenting opinions, including yours without qualifications.
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Trump loves America; that's why he did it. This is what Rush says. I'll go with Rush.
Let's see how those votes line up per immigration, again, those bringing this up, seemed to support someone who wanted to grant illegals, legal residency (amnesty), offer almost unlimited green cards and expand the H1B1 visa program, whatever Red State.com types can point to though.
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@txradioguy @D C Patriot @Smokin Joe @Thakney
There is a difference between stooping to their level and giving them "a taste of their own medicine".
The leftists/ media have deserved a smack down for a long time and I am glad to see that Trump is willing to take the fight to them.
I don't particularly care for his gutter tactics, but the Republicans/ Conservatives have been the "gentlemen" fighters for too long.
We need our party to be willing to throw an elbow when it is needed.
:amen: Couldn't agree more!
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But one of the most premier Never Trumpers throughout the 2015-16 campaign was Rich Lowry, National Review Online. He wrote and filed a piece yesterday called, “Why Trump Is President,” and his Alabama speech Friday night and his comments on the NFL is what Rich Lowry now realizes is why Trump is president. It isn’t complicated. You have a man who is very clear in his love for the country, his love of its traditions and his appreciation for it. - Rush
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,282774.0.html
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I'm not interested in watching from the sidelines either.
I'm am glad I'm here and glad for dissenting opinions, including yours without qualifications.
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Trump loves America; that's why he did it. This is what Rush says. I'll go with Rush.
Let's see how those votes line up per immigration, again, those bringing this up, seemed to support someone who wanted to grant illegals, legal residency (amnesty), offer almost unlimited green cards and expand the H1B1 visa program, whatever Red State.com types can point to though.
And you'd back Trump 100% if he came out for Single Payer and told the world he was appointing a WH liaison to the BLM/Antifa thugs to better understand their problems and address their concerns if Rush said so as well I have no doubt.
****sheep****
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And you'd back Trump 100% if he came out for Single Payer and told the world he was appointing a WH liaison to the BLM/Antifa thugs to better understand their problems and address their concerns if Rush said so as well I have no doubt.
****sheep****
*****rollingeyes***** buddy....if you're going to 'play' your game, you should first stretch a bit.
Stuff like that, you're going to pull a muscle or something.
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That wasn't 'Villanueva', who apologized.
His personal DNA instincts pushed him to the point he HAD to see the flag. It was his nature.
You can't blame him no more than that scorpion in the fable.
But, as I have a 'Doctorate' in human nature and the importance of locker room chemistry...gleaned from 60 years dealing with people, and fifteen years of organized baseball.
... I understand Villanueva having to put himself as not a 'Hero', but a selfish rogue, loner.
It was all for his teammates.
There HAD to be at least a dozen other members on that team and/or staff that didn't get the chance to express that same need to stand tall like Villanueva. THEY were cheated.
And they are angry because THEY are grouped in with the herd, while he's selling jerseys as the Lone Ranger. Pun intended.
So....I'll buy the jersey proudly.
@DCPatriot
Well, that's certainly your privilege. But Villanueva is a grown man and I hold him responsible. He isn't a puppet.
Neither are any other Steelers who wanted to be out there with him. They're adults, and they're men. If Kaepernick (sp?) could find the guts to wear pig socks and to start this thing, and if all those others could kneel during the anthem, then players who disagree can damn well stop being sheep and do what they know is right.
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I saw a photo of the other Steelers in the tunnel behind Villanueva. Some were just standing there, including great supporter of the police Ben Roethlisberger, but #56 (Anthony Chickillo?) had his hand over his heart.
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@DCPatriot
Well, that's certainly your privilege. But Villanueva is a grown man and I hold him responsible. He isn't a puppet.
Neither are any other Steelers who wanted to be out there with him. They're adults, and they're men. If Kaepernick (sp?) could find the guts to wear pig socks and to start this thing, and if all those others could kneel during the anthem, then players who disagree can damn well stop being sheep and do what they know is right.
Normally, an entire workforce will abide by an order from "On High".
You're 'virtue-signaling', my FRiend. Until it's your paycheck and career/resume, ...comes to mind. ^-^
@CatherineofAragon
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I saw a photo of the other Steelers in the tunnel behind Villanueva. Some were just standing there, including great supporter of the police Ben Roethlisberger, but #56 (Anthony Chickillo?) had his hand over his heart.
A player who readies himself for the game wants to get on the field. Some think the LAST thing they want or need is to have that SJW crap between your ears.
Thus, they still abide by the coach's order, so long as they inside the tunnel....as far from the locker room as they can get.
(Of course, I made that up....WTH do I know, but it's plausible.)
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I saw a photo of the other Steelers in the tunnel behind Villanueva. Some were just standing there, including great supporter of the police Ben Roethlisberger, but #56 (Anthony Chickillo?) had his hand over his heart.
I saw a photo of Roethlisberger and someone I didn't know. Maybe it was the same photo.
Whatever. I still don't buy the official story or the different explanations and excuses. It was a political stunt, and the team should not be surprised if some fans won't be coming back.
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Head coach Mike Tomlin: "We just decided that we were gonna sit it out. We weren't gonna play politics."
Steelers president Art Rooney (http://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-issues-statement-on-national-anthem/615039535): “The intentions of Steelers players were to stay out of the business of making political statements by not taking the field. Unfortunately, that was interpreted as a boycott of the anthem – which was never our players’ intention. There was never any desire on the part of our players to show disrespect for our service members”
Well, Art, but not taking the field during the anthem, you kinda did boycott it.
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Head coach Mike Tomlin: "We just decided that we were gonna sit it out. We weren't gonna play politics."
Steelers president Art Rooney (http://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-issues-statement-on-national-anthem/615039535): “The intentions of Steelers players were to stay out of the business of making political statements by not taking the field. Unfortunately, that was interpreted as a boycott of the anthem – which was never our players’ intention. There was never any desire on the part of our players to show disrespect for our service members”
Well, Art, but not taking the field during the anthem, you kinda did boycott it.
...and thus made it "political", too!
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Normally, an entire workforce will abide by an order from "On High".
You're 'virtue-signaling', my FRiend. Until it's your paycheck and career/resume, ...comes to mind. ^-^
Take your Cultural Marxism and shove it up your A$$! "Virtue Signaling" ****slapping
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Take your Cultural Marxism and shove it up your A$$! "Virtue Signaling" ****slapping
Come on, man.
I give her the reason that Villanueva, and later, Roethersberger walked back their original impulsive [truthful] statements.
And a smart man like you knows it's true.
For her to suggest they were weak-willed characters [who put their families' livelihoods in perspective] because of the SJW issue de jour.....is the epitome of Virtue Signaling.
See how that works?
:seeya:
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Come on, man.
I give her the reason that Villanueva, and later, Roethersberger walked back their original impulsive [truthful] statements.
And a smart man like you knows it's true.
For her to suggest they were weak-willed characters [who put their families' livelihoods in perspective] because of the SJW issue de jour.....is the epitome of Virtue Signaling.
See how that works?
:seeya:
Yeah! I see EXACTLY how it works and I flatly reject it! :seeya:
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Yeah! I see EXACTLY how it works and I flatly reject it! :seeya:
The entire argument? :shrug:
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The entire argument? :shrug:
When YOU resort to PC (Cultural Marxism) to make an argument the argument is already lost! "Virtue Signaling" is as PC a term as they make them!
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When YOU resort to PC (Cultural Marxism) to make an argument the argument is already lost! "Virtue Signaling" is as PC a term as they make them!
I thought it applied to people who make statements as if they were looking from a pedestal on high, with rose petals at their feet...to people who are just living in the REAL WORLD.
If I'm wrong, I apologize profusely.
But if I'm right, *look*
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The specific NFL rule pertaining to the National Anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. ... “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition... ...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” Time to fire the disrespectful players!!! FIRE THAT DISRESPECTFUL ARROGANT CE-No and all the thugs who do the disrespectful acts......BOYCOTT the NFL & NBA and all the sponsors do not buy a damn thing !
These rules have been floated all over the Internet. I believe that it’s been proven fake. No such rules exist.
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I thought it applied to people who make statements as if they were looking from a pedestal on high, with rose petals at their feet...to people who are just living in the REAL WORLD.
If I'm wrong, I apologize profusely.
But if I'm right, *look*
Only in the4 dark recesses of your twisted mind.
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I saw a photo of the other Steelers in the tunnel behind Villanueva. Some were just standing there, including great supporter of the police Ben Roethlisberger, but #56 (Anthony Chickillo?) had his hand over his heart.
I heard on the radio today some people have taken to calling them the Pittsburgh Kneelers. LOL.
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These rules have been floated all over the Internet. I believe that it’s been proven fake. No such rules exist.
Nope, Snopes came back (reluctantly) with a correction. The rules do exist.
It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.
“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”
The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.
Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:
‘The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
‘During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.’
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I heard on the radio today some people have taken to calling them the Pittsburgh Kneelers. LOL.
Someone posted the new logo to FB too. The three diamonds in the logo have been replaced by snowflakes of the same color.
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Normally, an entire workforce will abide by an order from "On High".
You're 'virtue-signaling', my FRiend. Until it's your paycheck and career/resume, ...comes to mind. ^-^
@CatherineofAragon
@DCPatriot
Nah, I'm just expecting any player who wants to stand during the anthem to do it, just as the true virtue-signalers did their thing.
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Come on, man.
I give her the reason that Villanueva, and later, Roethersberger walked back their original impulsive [truthful] statements.
And a smart man like you knows it's true.
For her to suggest they were weak-willed characters [who put their families' livelihoods in perspective] because of the SJW issue de jour.....is the epitome of Virtue Signaling.
See how that works?
:seeya:
@DCPatriot
Her is standing behind you listening to every word.
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@DCPatriot
Her is standing behind you listening to every word.
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And I was 'whispering', too!
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:tongue2:
And I was 'whispering', too!
Lol
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He wrote and filed a piece yesterday called, “Why Trump Is President,” ...
The piece was from a few days ago, and in case people are wanting to find it, it's here: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/451667/trump-nfl-protest-comments-example-why-hes-president
(Note, the actual title is, "Why Donald Trump Is President".)
Lowry points out that Trump is just a bunch of hot air...
Of course, NFL owners firing players on the spot for protesting isn’t necessarily common sense, but this is where “seriously, not literally” comes in. Since everyone knows that owners aren’t going to do this, Trump’s statement registers for his supporters merely as forceful opposition to the protests, not as a specific plan of action.
But that doesn't matter to his supporters.
Sounds on target to me!