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A new Emerson College poll of registered voters shows the gap between Republican Sen. Ted Cruz and his Democratic challenger, Rep. Robert “Beto†O’Rourke, has continued to diminish to just a single percentage point.
Cruz has 38 percent to O’Rourke’s 37 percent, while 21 percent of registered Texans remain undecided.
The good news for Cruz is Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is polling well ahead of Democrat Lupe Valdez with 48 percent to her 28 percent. Ticket splitting on election day isn’t common enough that Cruz couldn’t expect to get some benefit from Abbott on Election Day.
However, Ted Cruz continues to suffer in perceived favorability compared to Abbott, with independents being the key factor viewing him unfavorably at a whopping 57 percent while Abbott is only at 41 percent unfavorable with the same group. The governor also holds an overall 47 percent favorable to 33 percent unfavorable, while Cruz is underwater by 6 percent with 38 percent favorable to 44 percent unfavorable.
https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2018/08/27/new-poll-shows-almost-no-daylight-ted-cruz-beto-orourke-abbott-big/ (https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2018/08/27/new-poll-shows-almost-no-daylight-ted-cruz-beto-orourke-abbott-big/)
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**nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
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It would be a horrible tragedy if this phony little crook were to depose Ted Cruz.
Note to Mods: I noticed you moved a previous story about Ted and Beto to Texas. This is a national story and very important.
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It would be a horrible tragedy if this phony little crook were to depose Ted Cruz.
Note to Mods: I noticed you moved a previous story about Ted and Beto to Texas. This is a national story and very important.
IMHO (and I don't live in TX) this is THE most important election in 2018...TX goes blue and I believe the rest of the country will follow.
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It would be a horrible tragedy if this phony little crook were to depose Ted Cruz.
Note to Mods: I noticed you moved a previous story about Ted and Beto to Texas. This is a national story and very important.
We need to kill this baby in the womb. Beto will be a national candidate down the road if he wins in November. We simply cannot allow that to happen.
I don't care if you think Cruz is Satan incarnate. Beto must be defeated.
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We need to kill this baby in the womb. Beto will be a national candidate down the road if he wins in November. We simply cannot allow that to happen.
I don't care if you think Cruz is Satan incarnate. Beto must be defeated.
I couldn't agree more. I've been a Cruz supporter for sometime, but unfortunately, the guy is in trouble. He won't get any support from his fellow GOP ... I thought he asked Trump for some help. Looks like he's not going to get it.
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We need to kill this baby in the womb. Beto will be a national candidate down the road if he wins in November. We simply cannot allow that to happen.
I don't care if you think Cruz is Satan incarnate. Beto must be defeated.
@dfwgator
How is this even possible? There is something about Cruz that just gives me the creeps,but the people in Texas seem to like him,and he has political history there. How can a newbie just come in and take it away from him?
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I couldn't agree more. I've been a Cruz supporter for sometime, but unfortunately, the guy is in trouble. He won't get any support from his fellow GOP ...
@libertybele
How and why did this happen? Makes no real sense to me,other than the (most likely) very remote chance his supporters hold him running for President against him.
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IMHO (and I don't live in TX) this is THE most important election in 2018...TX goes blue and I believe the rest of the country will follow.
Texas isn't going blue if Cruz loses. It looks like all the other GOP'ers are doing fine in the state. This is a full rejection of Cruz. Between his circus act Presidential run, embarrassing convention behavior, general do nothing record and playing basketball with Communist late night hosts he isn't really setting himself up for success here.
Rick Santorum Part II
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@dfwgator
How is this even possible? There is something about Cruz that just gives me the creeps,but the people in Texas seem to like him,and he has political history there. How can a newbie just come in and take it away from him?
I know people get tired of this reason/excuse but the Texas press has been on a full-court press against Ted Cruz for some reason. They are afraid of him. The Dallas Morning News sends me a highlight page every day hoping I'll subscribe and there's nearly always a negative story about Ted Cruz and a positive one about that nasty little pretender.
I don't think there's a chance Ted will lose but it shouldn't be this close.
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I know people get tired of this reason/excuse but the Texas press has been on a full-court press against Ted Cruz for some reason. They are afraid of him. The Dallas Morning News sends me a highlight page every day hoping I'll subscribe and there's nearly always a negative story about Ted Cruz and a positive one about that nasty little pretender.
I don't think there's a chance Ted will lose but it shouldn't be this close.
Texas is getting Californicated, I'm seeing it with my own eyes.
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Texas isn't going blue if Cruz loses. It looks like all the other GOP'ers are doing fine in the state. This is a full rejection of Cruz. Between his circus act Presidential run, embarrassing convention behavior, general do nothing record and playing basketball with Communist late night hosts he isn't really setting himself up for success here.
Rick Santorum Part II
@Frank Cannon
Total mischaracterization of Ted Cruz. He is probably the most conservative politician in America. His knowledge of law and the Constitution is encyclopedia. He is a charming guy with absolutely no negatives.
Trump was horrible to him during the campaign but unlike Jeb Bush, the postman and others, Ted has not held a grudge but has been helpful to Trump in every way.
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I'm not sure who votes in these 'polls' but I'm guessing many of the people who voted for Beto (the fake Mexican) are not eligible to vote.
Not sure Beto is eligible for office anyway. He has a criminal record.
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@Frank Cannon
Total mischaracterization of Ted Cruz. He is probably the most conservative politician in America. His knowledge of law and the Constitution is encyclopedia. He is a charming guy with absolutely no negatives.
Trump was horrible to him during the campaign but unlike Jeb Bush, the postman and others, Ted has not held a grudge but has been helpful to Trump in every way.
That's all fine and good, but that is not how retail politics work in a local/state election. You want to know why Arlen Spector kept getting reelected in PA no matter what he did and Santorum got the boot after one term? Spector had some of the best district offices known to man so that when some old lady bitch about getting shorted on her SSI or some guy was pissed about too much moonlight coming in his bedroom window Arlen's people sent letters and got things done in one way or another. It's constituent outreach and it is the best way to stay elected.
Rick on the other hand didn't have that even though he talked a good game. Then he went out and involved himself with a woman in a coma in FL and voters were like WTF? We have our own problems in PA you are doing a shitty job managing. That looks like Ted right now. Abbott is every bit a Conservative that Cruz is, but he knows how to translate that to the public with deeds and results. Ted has a bucket of shit in one hand and a long winded lecture in the other. Both are totally worthless in getting reelected.
Can you tell me what the reason for sending back to the Senate is? He sure isn't telling anyone what it is.
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That's all fine and good, but that is not how retail politics work in a local/state election. You want to know why Arlen Spector kept getting reelected in PA no matter what he did and Santorum got the boot after one term? Spector had some of the best district offices known to man so that when some old lady bitch about getting shorted on her SSI or some guy was pissed about too much moonlight coming in his bedroom window Arlen's people sent letters and got things done in one way or another. It's constituent outreach and it is the best way to stay elected.
Rick on the other hand didn't have that even though he talked a good game. Then he went out and involved himself with a woman in a coma in FL and voters were like WTF? We have our own problems in PA you are doing a shitty job managing. That looks like Ted right now. Abbott is every bit a Conservative that Cruz is, but he knows how to translate that to the public with deeds and results. Ted has a bucket of shit in one hand and a long winded lecture in the other. Both are totally worthless in getting reelected.
Can you tell me what the reason for sending back to the Senate is? He sure isn't telling anyone what it is.
Can you tell me what the reason for not kicking PA the f out of the US is? Seems to me a bucket of stuff in one hand and a long winded lecture in the other. Both are totally worthless.
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Texas isn't going blue if Cruz loses. It looks like all the other GOP'ers are doing fine in the state. This is a full rejection of Cruz. Between his circus act Presidential run, embarrassing convention behavior, general do nothing record and playing basketball with Communist late night hosts he isn't really setting himself up for success here.
Rick Santorum Part II
Oh come on Frank. Talk about a circus your boy Trump manufactured a story for the Enquirer about Ted and women. He was the one paying hush money to the whores he had. Then more circus acts he paints Teds father as involved in JFK assassination. That's pretty embarrassing behavior. He and his Pecker friend had some good circus acts.
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That's all fine and good, but that is not how retail politics work in a local/state election. You want to know why Arlen Spector kept getting reelected in PA no matter what he did and Santorum got the boot after one term? Spector had some of the best district offices known to man so that when some old lady bitch about getting shorted on her SSI or some guy was pissed about too much moonlight coming in his bedroom window Arlen's people sent letters and got things done in one way or another. It's constituent outreach and it is the best way to stay elected.
Rick on the other hand didn't have that even though he talked a good game. Then he went out and involved himself with a woman in a coma in FL and voters were like WTF? We have our own problems in PA you are doing a shitty job managing. That looks like Ted right now. Abbott is every bit a Conservative that Cruz is, but he knows how to translate that to the public with deeds and results. Ted has a bucket of shit in one hand and a long winded lecture in the other. Both are totally worthless in getting reelected.
Can you tell me what the reason for sending back to the Senate is? He sure isn't telling anyone what it is.
Stop making a fool of yourself over this. Ted has been an outstanding Senator for Texas. Beto was afraid to debate him because he would have made a lot of taco meat out of Beto.
It's one thing to have some kind of personal grudge against Ted Cruz but it's quite another thing to let it turn you into an idiot.
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Stop making a fool of yourself over this. Ted has been an outstanding Senator for Texas. Beto was afraid to debate him because he would have made a lot of taco meat out of Beto.
It's one thing to have some kind of personal grudge against Ted Cruz but it's quite another thing to let it turn you into an idiot.
I'm calling a spade a spade. I have worked in state campaigns before and Teds has all the earmarks of trouble and he isn't doing a damn thing about it. Just today one of the Texas people here who is active in the party told us that Ted is making folks BUY yard signs. You are living is dream land if you think some politician who looks like a stiff on the stump and gives long winded Constitutional lectures with no tangible achievements under his belt is looking strong no matter how red the state is.
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There is NO Political Machine in Texas stronger than the GOP and Ted kicked their azz in 2012. In spite of having John Cornyn in his corner this time, he'll still kick azz. In the interim the national dems are wasting so much money here on their wet dream beto, just like Davis before. Texas may not still be crimson red but pink will have to do.
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There is NO Political Machine in Texas stronger than the GOP and Ted kicked their azz in 2012. In spite of having John Cornyn in his corner this time, he'll still kick azz. In the interim the national dems are wasting so much money here on their wet dream beto, just like Davis before. Texas may not still be crimson red but pink will have to do.
I'm not seeing it. Teds best shot now is to ride the Abbott wave and hope most of his voters are straight ticket folks.
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When he ran in 2012 you pretty much had to donate to get a yard sign. Bumper Stickers were free.
All that money he's saving can be transferred to his 'Hindsight is 2020' Campaign, so it's a win~win.
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I couldn't agree more. I've been a Cruz supporter for sometime, but unfortunately, the guy is in trouble. He won't get any support from his fellow GOP ... I thought he asked Trump for some help. Looks like he's not going to get it.
Actually @libertybele what Cruz said to the cameras that got so much attention was "we'd love for the President to visit Texas".
If Cruz wants help from the President I think it's incumbent on someone from his team to call the Trump team and start working out the specifics ... date, time, venue. If Cruz feels he needs the help, I'm sure he'll talk with his crew about making this happen. I would suggest the sooner, the better. As you know, campaign events with the President are booking fast.
If Cruz doesn't want or need the President's help, Cruz's team will not make the call.
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There is NO Political Machine in Texas stronger than the GOP and Ted kicked their azz in 2012. In spite of having John Cornyn in his corner this time, he'll still kick azz.
If I remember correctly, Cruz also had Palin campaigning with/for him. Is she helping now?
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When he ran in 2012 you pretty much had to donate to get a yard sign. Bumper Stickers were free.
All that money he's saving can be transferred to his 'Hindsight is 2020' Campaign, so it's a win~win.
Oh. So he is saving up his war chest to make another Quixotic run in 2020......as an ex Senator. Where have I heard that plan before?
(https://cdn.defenseone.com/media/img/upload/2015/08/14/AP_12010401019/defense-large.jpg)
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Beto was afraid to debate him because he would have made a lot of taco meat out of Beto.
@Emjay
You don't turn down a debate invite if you're far behind. You turn it down when you've got a good chance of winning and don't want to take the chance of blowing it.
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@Emjay
You don't turn down a debate invite if you're far behind. You turn it down when you've got a good chance of winning and don't want to take the chance of blowing it.
Hey. Someone just got BINGO!!!!
yogi555
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If I remember correctly, Cruz also had Palin campaigning with/for him. Is she helping now?
Yes @Right_in_Virginia you are correct, Rubio also showed up. Your Guy was pre occupied with the De Blassio election in NY, so couldn't make an appearance.
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@Emjay
You don't turn down a debate invite if you're far behind. You turn it down when you've got a good chance of winning and don't want to take the chance of blowing it.
I Agree.
I hate to say that, as a Cruz supporter.
The only one who gets anything out of the debate would be Cruz.
However, I do think Cruz needs to make a lot of noise about the debate being called off.
Turn it around on O'Reiily.
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Yes @Right_in_Virginia you are correct, Rubio also showed up. Your Guy was pre occupied with the De Blassio election in NY, so couldn't make an appearance.
Well if it wasn't for the President of the United State Donald Trump your flailing one term soon to be ex-Senator Ted Cruz wouldn't have any horsepower behind his race. All his old friends seem to be busy this go round.
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Yes @Right_in_Virginia you are correct, Rubio also showed up. Your Guy was pre occupied with the De Blassio election in NY, so couldn't make an appearance.
I really don't think you're in a position to throw the snark around. I don't want to lose the seat, and neither does "my guy". So, get busy doing something worthwhile.
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Palin is on her way to Texas, unfortunately we lost all contact with her somewhere around Montana, @roamer_1 is definitely a person of interest in her disappearance.
(https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/hitchhiker-suitcase.jpg)
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Palin is on her way to Texas, unfortunately we lost all contact with her somewhere around Montana, @roamer_1 is definitely a person of interest in her disappearance.
(https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/hitchhiker-suitcase.jpg)
:cool:
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I really don't think you're in a position to throw the snark around. I don't want to lose the seat, and neither does "my guy". So, get busy doing something worthwhile.
Stop it @corbe.
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I'm calling a spade a spade. I have worked in state campaigns before and Teds has all the earmarks of trouble and he isn't doing a damn thing about it. Just today one of the Texas people here who is active in the party told us that Ted is making folks BUY yard signs. You are living is dream land if you think some politician who looks like a stiff on the stump and gives long winded Constitutional lectures with no tangible achievements under his belt is looking strong no matter how red the state is.
Obviously, you have never seen Ted Cruz on the stump or at forums where he interacts with constituents. I have seen him call a mortal enemy up to the stage to discuss an issue with him and turned that enemy into a friend and supporter.
It's not only Texas that is at risk. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are two of the best people in the Senate. I like Rand Paul also but he is not as consistently conservative as Ted is.
That rumor about Ted making people buy yard signs was probably started by Beto's people. I am ashamed that an ordinarily level-headed guy like you fell for it.
The first time Ted ran for the Senate, he was a virtual unknown in state politics and had a very popular opponent who was an in-guy in Texas politics. Ted beat the guy easily.
I think it is out of state money and propaganda that is driving this race. Ted Cruz is everything the left is not and they cannot stand it.
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Hey. Someone just got BINGO!!!!
yogi555
Not really. Beto is not at all knowledgeable about the issues. He is afraid to debate Cruz and he should be.
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Palin is on her way to Texas, unfortunately we lost all contact with her somewhere around Montana, @roamer_1 is definitely a person of interest in her disappearance.
(https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/hitchhiker-suitcase.jpg)
Yeah @corbe ... She was here... Word got out that I was making my world famous Baloney, Pickles, and Cheese sammiches, and everybody for miles around comes arunnin.
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@libertybele
How and why did this happen? Makes no real sense to me,other than the (most likely) very remote chance his supporters hold him running for President against him.
I think a few of Ted Cruz 'enemies' are doing just that. It is a real shame because Ted Cruz never took the low road in the primaries and Trump was vicious and unfair to him.
In spite of that, Ted Cruz has been totally fair to Trump and his Presidency and, if he holds any grudges, he's kept it private.
That is not true of most of Trump's primary opponents. Most of them still hate him and refuse to support him. I cannot understand why Ted Cruz does not get respect from some of the most fervent Trump supporters.
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Obviously, you have never seen Ted Cruz on the stump or at forums where he interacts with constituents. I have seen him call a mortal enemy up to the stage to discuss an issue with him and turned that enemy into a friend and supporter.
It's not only Texas that is at risk. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are two of the best people in the Senate. I like Rand Paul also but he is not as consistently conservative as Ted is.
That rumor about Ted making people buy yard signs was probably started by Beto's people. I am ashamed that an ordinarily level-headed guy like you fell for it.
The first time Ted ran for the Senate, he was a virtual unknown in state politics and had a very popular opponent who was an in-guy in Texas politics. Ted beat the guy easily.
I think it is out of state money and propaganda that is driving this race. Ted Cruz is everything the left is not and they cannot stand it.
You are out of touch. Just look at the how he failed miserably on his Presidential run. Trump was filling stadiums while Cruz couldn't fill town halls. You may love Cruz's long winded speeches to nowhere. No one else does. We have tangible proof of that with actual election results. Ted has likability problems out the ass.
BTW it wasn't some rumor about the yard signs from Beto people. It was one of our people who actually lives there and is involved in the process...
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329734.msg1779035.html#msg1779035 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329734.msg1779035.html#msg1779035)
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If I remember correctly, Cruz also had Palin campaigning with/for him. Is she helping now?
@Right_in_Virginia Disappointed that you would bring that up since it is an obvious ploy to make Ted Cruz look bad. Very disappointed.
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In spite of that, Ted Cruz has been totally fair to Trump and his Presidency and, if he holds any grudges, he's kept it private.
I guess you were in bed when Ted gave his embarrassing speech at the Convention.
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I guess you were in bed when Ted gave his embarrassing speech at the Convention.
You obviously have not read Green Eggs and Ham @Frank Cannon, 'Vote your Conscience' is on page 8.
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Ya know, I am taking a risk here because I am already in big trouble with one of the Mods, but I fail to understand why an important Senate race in Texas gets moved out of politics and into the Texas forum where nobody will ever see it.
Am I wrong but didn't we have about 100 threads about an Alabama election and Roy Moore that stayed in 'politics' for weeks?
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Ya know, I am taking a risk here because I am already in big trouble with one of the Mods, but I fail to understand why an important Senate race in Texas gets moved out of politics and into the Texas forum where nobody will ever see it.
Am I wrong but didn't we have about 100 threads about an Alabama election and Roy Moore that stayed in 'politics' for weeks?
That's my fault. I asked the Mods to move it, but I asked them to move it to the New Jersey section because it is a Cruz story and NJ is the closest state we have to Canada.
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I don't agree with the current policy regarding Cruz Threads either @Emjay, since he's such a puppet of Goldman Sachs all his stuff should be in the Business/Economy Category or Scandal.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-goldman-sachs.jpg?w=379&h=490)
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I don't agree with the current policy regarding Cruz Threads either @Emjay, since he's such a puppet of Goldman Sachs all his stuff should be in the Business/Economy Category or Scandal.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-goldman-sachs.jpg?w=379&h=490)
Who wants a turncoat lying Goldman Sachs puppet with an ugly wife in the Senate anyway?
Was there anyone more hated by Trump supporters? I can't think of anyone.
More "winning"! MAGA!
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I don't agree with the current policy regarding Cruz Threads either @Emjay, since he's such a puppet of Goldman Sachs all his stuff should be in the Business/Economy Category or Scandal.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-goldman-sachs.jpg?w=379&h=490)
Ha, ha @corbe But everyone knows this race is important nationally. I do not agree with moving it to Texas. The only reason it got as many responses as it did was that the Mods didn't butt in for a while.
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I couldn't agree more. I've been a Cruz supporter for sometime, but unfortunately, the guy is in trouble. He won't get any support from his fellow GOP ... I thought he asked Trump for some help. Looks like he's not going to get it.
Thanks for this story. I’m sending him a few dollars today. Ted. Not the other guy, I do like Ted.
I hope he’ll send me a button.
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That's my fault. I asked the Mods to move it, but I asked them to move it to the New Jersey section because it is a Cruz story and NJ is the closest state we have to Canada.
Ummm. I would think NY over NJ? Or NH or Vermont? Isn’t Bernie from Vermont?
But that gives me an idea. Bubbles for Congress! (Or Ricky or Julian)
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@Right_in_Virginia Disappointed that you would bring that up since it is an obvious ploy to make Ted Cruz look bad. Very disappointed.
It's a reminder that Cruz had a lot of help when he "kicked arse" as Corbe said in 2012,
I hope Cruz is not too proud to ask for help if he needs it now @Emjay If he is, *this* should be what disappoints you.
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IMHO (and I don't live in TX) this is THE most important election in 2018...TX goes blue and I believe the rest of the country will follow.
Texas isn't going blue. Look at the numbers in the governor's race for proof of that. This race is a referendum on Cruz - a guy who rubs lots of folks the wrong way.
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Texas isn't going blue. Look at the numbers in the governor's race for proof of that. This race is a referendum on Cruz - a guy who rubs lots of folks the wrong way.
Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.
We need these guys who swim against the current to break up the 'System'.
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This is just another leftist media ploy to sway public opinion away from Cruz. Note that they are exaggerating the so called independent voting numbers.
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Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.
We need these guys who swim against the current to break up the 'System'.
I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for Cruz if I were a Texan. I like his policy prescriptions. So should most Texans. But the reason his race is so close, and the Texas governor's race is shaping up to be a blowout, has to do with stuff other than policy or even conservatism. There's no reason for me to go into it here. Let's hope he wins - we need the seat.
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How can a newbie just come in and take it away from him?
Beto may be new to those outside Texas, but he has been in Texas a long time and active in Politics for a while. He has served a 3 terms as El Paso US Representative.
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This is just another leftist media ploy to sway public opinion away from Cruz. Note that they are exaggerating the so called independent voting numbers.
Cruz has been seriously underestimated at pretty much every turn in his career.
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Oh come on Frank. Talk about a circus your boy Trump manufactured a story for the Enquirer about Ted and women. He was the one paying hush money to the whores he had. Then more circus acts he paints Teds father as involved in JFK assassination. That's pretty embarrassing behavior. He and his Pecker friend had some good circus acts.
Not to mention slandering Cruz with every tweet.
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Who wants a turncoat lying Goldman Sachs puppet with an ugly wife in the Senate anyway?
Was there anyone more hated by Trump supporters? I can't think of anyone.
More "winning"! MAGA!
@DB
I don't hate Cruz and never have. I just didn't support him because there is just something about him personally that creeps me out. Can't quite put my finger on it,but that doesn't matter because I trust my instincts.
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Beto may be new to those outside Texas, but he has been in Texas a long time and active in Politics for a while. He has served a 3 terms as El Paso US Representative.
Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?
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Rubbing guys the right way is how we have deteriorated Congress and the Executive Bureaucracy into a cesspool.
@IsailedawayfromFR
"Rubbing guys the right way" sure worked for Barney Frank,Chuck Todd,and a high percentage of the rest of the leftist politicians and talking heads.
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Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?
Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.
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Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.
Me too.
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Something tells me this race will swing to Cruz and it won't be that close.
Put that in the bank!
It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!
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Put that in the bank!
It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!
I am a tad less optimistic. I think he wins by about 5%. Especially after he takes Beto to the woodshed in a debate. (big if, if Beto debates now though)
I really think a lot of the mud Trump threw during camapign stuck. Pereception is twice as powerful as fact.
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I am a tad less optimistic. I think he wins by about 5%. Especially after he takes Beto to the woodshed in a debate. (big if, if Beto debates now though)
I really think a lot of the mud Trump threw during camapign stuck. Pereception is twice as powerful as fact.
I really think Ted is just a poor retail candidate ... but be that as it may. If you really believe this is because of Ted's convention speech, then shouldn't you be contacting Cruz's office prompting him to get in touch with the President for a rally together?
Or is all this hand-wringing just supersized anxiety and Ted's on the path to victory --- which is what I'm all this is.
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Can you tell me when it was that someone from El Paso won a statewide race in Texas?
Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.
Ted Cruz will win by double digits.
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Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.
Ted Cruz will win by double digits.
We're good! 888high58888 :beer:
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Me too.
Dittos to you both.
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You are out of touch. Just look at the how he failed miserably on his Presidential run. Trump was filling stadiums while Cruz couldn't fill town halls. You may love Cruz's long winded speeches to nowhere. No one else does. We have tangible proof of that with actual election results. Ted has likability problems out the ass.
BTW it wasn't some rumor about the yard signs from Beto people. It was one of our people who actually lives there and is involved in the process...
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329734.msg1779035.html#msg1779035 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329734.msg1779035.html#msg1779035)
Give it up @Frank Cannon Nothing you can say will make Ted Cruz anything less than stellar and a blessing to our country and the Senate.
He did not fail miserably in the Presidential race. He was Trump's closest rival and Trump was terrified of him. Ted was a virtual unknown nationwide and Trump had been a household name for years. Trump was probably more vicious to Ted than any other rivals because he was afraid of him.
You have never heard a speech by Ted Cruz. I know you haven't so don't lie.
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It's a reminder that Cruz had a lot of help when he "kicked arse" as Corbe said in 2012,
I hope Cruz is not too proud to ask for help if he needs it now @Emjay If he is, *this* should be what disappoints you.
@Right_in_Virginia It's not a matter of pride. Ted does not need Trump's help in Texas.
As for Trump, he should be helping Ted, and also praying that Ted wins. Out of all the primary opponents Trump had, Ted Cruz has ended up being the fairest to the Trump administration.
All of his other opponents hate his guts and don't hesitate to say so.
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Man, I'm not trying to suggest Beto is going to win. I was responding to the comment Beto was a newbie.
Ted Cruz will win by double digits.
Of course he will. Meanwhile... it's nice to know which neighbors are idiots (Beto signs). Probably infestations from California.
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Give it up @Frank Cannon Nothing you can say will make Ted Cruz anything less than stellar and a blessing to our country and the Senate.
He did not fail miserably in the Presidential race. He was Trump's closest rival and Trump was terrified of him. Ted was a virtual unknown nationwide and Trump had been a household name for years. Trump was probably more vicious to Ted than any other rivals because he was afraid of him.
You have never heard a speech by Ted Cruz. I know you haven't so don't lie.
Ted got his ass handed to him in that Presidential run. He was forced to play delegate games just to stay alive and even then he was a big fat loser. You can stay delusional all you want, but I live in the real world where real things happen.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries_results_by_county%2C_2016.svg/800px-Republican_Party_presidential_primaries_results_by_county%2C_2016.svg.png)
Trump is blue and Cruz is gold.
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I really think Ted is just a poor retail candidate ...
Huh?
Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.
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Huh?
Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.
LOL. Some second places are worse than others. Donny got 1447 and Ted got 551. Not really competitive, is it.
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LOL. Some second places are worse than others. Donny got 1447 and Ted got 551. Not really competitive, is it.
I can't help that a substntial faction of the GOP was so stupid that they got duped by this orange Trojan Horse.
It will be a political tale of the ages.
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I can't help that a substntial faction of the GOP was so stupid that they got duped by this orange Trojan Horse.
It will be a political tale of the ages.
Listen. You are the one pimping that Ted was such a dynamo on the campaign trail and now claiming Primary voters were dopes. Now Ted is showing weakness in a slam dunk race and all you folks are spinning that everything is fine. Ted has only won one real election in his life and lost one. Not very good odds to work off of.
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Huh?
Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.
See Frank's post for the numbers.
And yes, Cruz sucks at retail politics. Want to argue about this? Then tell me what Ted's platform is. What's the fire in his belly --- what is he promising to work on without sleeping until it passes? Tell me how this will affect MY life, MY fortune, MY safety.
Tell me what would make me stand in a line of thousands at midnight -- in the November cold --- just to hear him speak and give him the support he needs to cross the finish line victorious.
@catfish1957
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@Right_in_Virginia It's not a matter of pride. Ted does not need Trump's help in Texas.
As for Trump, he should be helping Ted, and also praying that Ted wins. Out of all the primary opponents Trump had, Ted Cruz has ended up being the fairest to the Trump administration.
All of his other opponents hate his guts and don't hesitate to say so.
You're spinning so fast here @Emjay that *I'm* feeling queasy. Which is it Cruz doesn't need the President's help, or the President should be helping Cruz? Are you seriously saying the President should fly to Texas and say, "I'm here to help you even though you don't need or want it????"
Damn it, I hope this thread turns out to be wholly unnecessary. I hope Ted Cruz is HALF as magnificent at you and others claim. And I hope he doesn't lose the damn seat.
That's it. It's too crazy. I'm out.
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See Frank's post for the numbers.
And yes, Cruz sucks at retail politics. Want to argue about this? Then tell me what Ted's platform is. What's the fire in his belly --- what is he promising to work on without sleeping until it passes? Tell me how this will affect MY life, MY fortune, MY safety.
Tell me what would make me stand in a line of thousands at midnight -- in the November cold --- just to hear him speak and give him the support he needs to cross the finish line victorious.
@catfish1957
As long as he wins, and rest assured he will, I don't give a damn about his campaign style!
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You're spinning so fast here @Emjay that *I'm* feeling queasy. Which is it Cruz doesn't need the President's help, or the President should be helping Cruz? Are you seriously saying the President should fly to Texas and say, "I'm here to help you even though you don't need or want it????"
Damn it, I hope this thread turns out to be wholly unnecessary. I hope Ted Cruz is HALF as magnificent at you and others claim. And I hope he doesn't lose the damn seat.
That's it. It's too crazy. I'm out.
I don't know what I meant. I've forgotten what I ever meant. Goodbye and good luck.
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As long as he wins, and rest assured he will, I don't give a damn about his campaign style!
Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.
If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.
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Put that in the bank!
It's not even Labor Day yet and the hand-wringing is making me ROFLMAO!!!
@Bigun
It's a game every campaign plays to try to bring in contributions.
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I'm not sure if Ted is doing anything wrong. He has always said this would be a competitive race. Trump is unpopular in the southwest, and he is a drag on the congressional races. Republican senate candidates are losing in Arizona and Nevada, with several house seats endangered as well.
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Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.
If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.
@Frank Cannon
No matter how many times you repeat that bull shit it will still be bull shit.
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Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.
If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.
Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.
John Cornyn is a bland disappointment but okay, but Ted Cruz is a real threat to the left.
If you can't see that, it is amazing to me. Did Ted hurt your feelings?
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Yeah, but the fact that it is debatable is a problem. Cornyn is a straight up establishment stooge and all around clown and he won his last race by 62%. Ted has this thing down to a 5 point race. There are structural problems here that only the candidate can address.
If Ted can't inspire folks to stand in line to vote for him he is in trouble.
The first time Ted Cruz ran for Senate, the whole establishment of Texas politics was against him and he had a popular, establishment-supported opponent.
He won easily and he will again.
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Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.
John Cornyn is a bland disappointment but okay, but Ted Cruz is a real threat to the left.
If you can't see that, it is amazing to me. Did Ted hurt your feelings?
They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.
I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.
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@Frank Cannon
No matter how many times you repeat that bull shit it will still be bull shit.
I'm not the one with a candidate that is consistently underpolling.
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They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.
I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.
He's telling them "Promises made! Promises kept" and that's all he has to say.
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So Beto likes to be spanked?
https://vimeo.com/42664332
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They are running a throw away frat boy candidate. That's how much they care about the seat. Cruz is just obliging them by running a shitty low energy campaign with no message.
I'll ask you again since you are too obtuse to comprehend the first or second time. What the eff is Teds message? What is he telling voters that will make them vote for him. I can't find anything and his website is a generic cut and paste mess.
What can any congressional incumbent claim to have done during the past term? The braindead GOP leadership is the critical path - not one can claim any more than can Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.
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I'm not the one with a candidate that is consistently underpolling.
Breathe, Frank, breathe. As Ted Cruz said to Donald during a debate. Donald was positively sputtering with rage because Cruz was making a good point, and, of course, he interrupted.
Everyone laughed at Trump when Ted said that.
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Your buddy Soros is pumping a fortune into this race. That should tell you something about how dangerous the left considers Ted Cruz to be.
@Emjay
Maybe Soros thinks Cruz is a gnat,but sees this as preventative medicine to keep him from ever becoming a bird of prey? Right now it won't cost him that much to squash Cruz. If he wins again,it is going to both harder and more expensive to stop him the next time.
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@Emjay
Maybe Soros thinks Cruz is a gnat,but sees this as preventative medicine to keep him from ever becoming a bird of prey? Right now it won't cost him that much to squash Cruz. If he wins again,it is going to both harder and more expensive to stop him the next time.
Who knows? Cruz was a viable candidate last time and maybe they're afraid of an eventual Cruz Presidency.
It's kind of ironic that, although I have been a Trump supporter ever since he was elected, avid Trump supporters are furious with Ted Cruz and maybe me for supporting him.
It's like a red flag to a bull.
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The affirmation the Trumpers gain with a Cruz loss will carry them through till 2020. Another FOE vanquished!!!!
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@Bigun
It's a game every campaign plays to try to bring in contributions.
Exactly. Cruz benefits from the race being sold as too-close-to-call. So does Beto. Why would either side want it to be portrayed differently in the media?
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Exactly. Cruz benefits from the race being sold as too-close-to-call. So does Beto. Why would either side want it to be portrayed differently in the media?
And that is exactly why they almost never make their honest internal polls public. If they put out a poll that shows them 20 points up the money dries up and the same thing happens the other way around.
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@Frank Cannon
Check this out and tell me Paddy has a chance i hell of defeating Ted in November. (http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/26/texas-democrats-call-decriminalize-illegal-entry-state-attorney-general-ken-paxton-reacts)
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@Frank Cannon
Check this out and tell me Paddy has a chance i hell of defeating Ted in November. (http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/26/texas-democrats-call-decriminalize-illegal-entry-state-attorney-general-ken-paxton-reacts)
Well the TX AG looks well positioned to take on Beto since he is bringing up this issue and slamming the Rats with it. Couldn't find Ted's name anywhere in that. I'll give it another read to see if I missed it.
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If I remember correctly, Cruz also had Palin campaigning with/for him. Is she helping now?
Palin elected Ted Cruz.
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Well the TX AG looks well positioned to take on Beto since he is bringing up this issue and slamming the Rats with it. Couldn't find Ted's name anywhere in that. I'll give it another read to see if I missed it.
Sen. Ted Cruz talks immigration, Beto O’Rourke during Corpus Christi stop
https://kristv.com/news/local-news/2018/08/20/sen-ted-cruz-talks-immigration-beto-orourke-during-corpus-christi-stop/ (https://kristv.com/news/local-news/2018/08/20/sen-ted-cruz-talks-immigration-beto-orourke-during-corpus-christi-stop/)
...Cruz spoke on a number of issues, including immigration.
“You know, I have many times summed up my views on immigration in four words: Legal, good. Illegal, bad,†Cruz told the crowd.
Immigration reform was just one of the hot topics the senator discussed during his
Corpus Christi stop.
“This election is about jobs, it’s about securing the border, and it’s about protecting our constitutional rights,†Cruz said....
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Ted Cruz seizes on Beto O’Rourke’s willingness to consider abolishing ICE
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-seizes-on-Beto-O-Rourke-s-13055048.php (https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-seizes-on-Beto-O-Rourke-s-13055048.php)
...“I’ve been the leading defender in the Senate of securing the border, building the wall, of keeping this country safe and stopping illegal immigration,†Cruz said in Longview in northeast Texas as part of an 11-city tour through the state this week. “In contrast, my opponent Democrat Beto O’Rourke supports sanctuary cities, supports open borders, and just this week he said he was ‘open to abolishing ICE.â€...
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I think a few of Ted Cruz 'enemies' are doing just that. It is a real shame because Ted Cruz never took the low road in the primaries and Trump was vicious and unfair to him.
Sorry to break it to you @Emjay, but Cruz ran the dirtiest campaign I've ever seen a Republican run.
However I will be voting Cruz this nov.
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Sen. Ted Cruz talks immigration, Beto O’Rourke during Corpus Christi stop
https://kristv.com/news/local-news/2018/08/20/sen-ted-cruz-talks-immigration-beto-orourke-during-corpus-christi-stop/ (https://kristv.com/news/local-news/2018/08/20/sen-ted-cruz-talks-immigration-beto-orourke-during-corpus-christi-stop/)
//www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-seizes-on-Beto-O-Rourke-s-13055048.php[/url]
Well the AG's comments were picked up my Fox News. Teds were on Kris TV which I am guessing is some sort of blog about a transvestite named Kris.
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Sorry to break it to you @Emjay, but Cruz ran the dirtiest campaign I've ever seen a Republican run.
However I will be voting Cruz this nov.
JPSB, your claim has been refuted many, many times. Don't bring it here.
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Palin elected Ted Cruz.
:yawn2: :bsflag:
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Well the TX AG looks well positioned to take on Beto since he is bringing up this issue and slamming the Rats with it. Couldn't find Ted's name anywhere in that. I'll give it another read to see if I missed it.
Ted doesn't need to say a word really as Paddy's own mouth has already torpedoed any slight chance he might have once had.
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Huh?
Last I looked Cruz won the second most delegates out of a 2016 GOP field of 17. Try again.
He got a lot of those delegates, not because they liked Cruz, but because Cruz was not Trump.
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JPSB, your claim has been refuted many, many times. Don't bring it here.
So he should put his Cruz criticisms on preppers or sports thread instead?
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He got a lot of those delegates, not because they liked Cruz, but because Cruz was not Trump.
He got a lot of delegates because other people have noticed the same thing I have! Ted does in office exactly what he said he would do while campaigning for office!
Oh! BTW! Ted would have gotten even more delegates had the establishment at the convention not gotten the rules changed in the middle of the game!
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So he should put his Cruz criticisms on preppers or sports thread instead?
Or maybe just stopping the lies would work!
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JPSB, your claim has been refuted many, many times. Don't bring it here.
In your dreams.
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Oh! BTW! Ted would have gotten even more delegates had the establishment at the convention not gotten the rules changed in the middle of the game!
What rules change was that exactly?
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What rules change was that exactly?
The one that prevented delegates from voting for Cruz instead of Trump!
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What rules change was that exactly?
No rules were changed. The rule was/is that a delegate MUST vote for the candidate he is pledged to
on the first round of voting. The NeverTrumpers wanted to change that rule so that all delegates
were free to vote for anyone. At least that is my recollection.
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No rules were changed. The rule was/is that a delegate MUST vote for the candidate he is pledged to
on the first round of voting. The NeverTrumpers wanted to change that rule so that all delegates
were free to vote for anyone. At least that is my recollection.
:yawn2: more :bsflag: from you!
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The one that prevented delegates from voting for Cruz instead of Trump!
LOL. That's bullshit and you know it. No rules were changed.
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LOL. That's bullshit and you know it. No rules were changed.
There was a time when I would have bothered to prove you and your bud @jspb wrong by quoting chapter and verse but the fact is that I no longer care because I stopped being a member of the National Republican Party two seconds after they pulled that shit!
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Article on the sign gap discussed on a few of these threads. It is because Cruz's campaign manager doesn't like signs.
It is frustrating a lot of supporters.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/29/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-yard-signs/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1535549911 (https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/29/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-yard-signs/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1535549911)
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LOL. That's bullshit and you know it. No rules were changed.
You are correct @Frank Cannon
The official rules of the Republican Party and the Republican National Convention—the body and event responsible for nominating the Republican Party's candidates for president and vice president—are set every four years by a 112-member committee called the Rules Committee.
The rules package that the committee approved on the evening of July 14 was approved by the convention as a whole on July 18, 2016.
https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_National_Convention_rules,_2016
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You are correct @Frank Cannon
The official rules of the Republican Party and the Republican National Convention—the body and event responsible for nominating the Republican Party's candidates for president and vice president—are set every four years by a 112-member committee called the Rules Committee.
The rules package that the committee approved on the evening of July 14 was approved by the convention as a whole on July 18, 2016.
https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_National_Convention_rules,_2016
@jpsb @Frank Cannon
And those rules had been changed from those that governed previous conventions! The second the body adopted those the new rules is the exact second I left!
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Article on the sign gap discussed on a few of these threads. It is because Cruz's campaign manager doesn't like signs.
It is frustrating a lot of supporters.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/29/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-yard-signs/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1535549911 (https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/29/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-yard-signs/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1535549911)
he said he views them as a far-less-effective use of campaign money than door knocking, television and radio advertising, phone banking or direct mail.
LOL. That's insane. Cruz is an idiot for not firing that slack ass immediately.
BTW why would anyone hire David Dewhurst's campaign manager for his failed Senate run?
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@jpsb @Frank Cannon
And those rules had been changed from those that governed previous conventions! The second the body adopted those the new rules is the exact second I left!
Rule changes generally don't go into effect until the next election cycle and beyond all that it's a moot point. Donny mopped the floor with Ted on the first ballot.
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Cruz Yard Sign Riddle~solved.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329991.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,329991.new.html#new)
Carry On
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he said he views them as a far-less-effective use of campaign money than door knocking, television and radio advertising, phone banking or direct mail.
LOL. That's insane. Cruz is an idiot for not firing that slack ass immediately.
BTW why would anyone hire David Dewhurst's campaign manager for his failed Senate run?
When I was really active with the RNC in the early 2000s, I went to several sponsored trainings on the psychology of the ground game and one of the biggest points was the importance of signs and bumper stickers. It both created a connection with other voters in the area, making them feel like a team, but it also made the opponent's base feel disempowered by seeing overwhelming messages from the other side. It also got the average citizen talking to his neighbors as they passed out signs.
This is a huge blunder.
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By the way Cruz's Campaign Manager/Chief of Staff during the 2016 election, Chip Roy, who incidentally is not under Federal Indictment, is a Shoe In for TX~21.
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By the way Cruz's Campaign Manager/Chief of Staff during the 2016 election, Chip Roy, who incidentally is not under Federal Indictment, is a Shoe In for TX~21.
I think Chip is one of the good guys.
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Didn't see your previous post about the yard signs @AbaraXas
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JPSB, your claim has been refuted many, many times. Don't bring it here.
@Sanguine Thank you, Sanguine for quickly refuting that claim. I had NEVER heard anything like that before in my life. I cannot imagine what jpsb's problem is.
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When I was really active with the RNC in the early 2000s, I went to several sponsored trainings on the psychology of the ground game and one of the biggest points was the importance of signs and bumper stickers. It both created a connection with other voters in the area, making them feel like a team, but it also made the opponent's base feel disempowered by seeing overwhelming messages from the other side. It also got the average citizen talking to his neighbors as they passed out signs.
This is a huge blunder.
We slam signs everywhere up here because we found that undecided voters would use signage and the amount of it as an indicator of who was more popular and go that direction. Some people are really that stupid, but why not go for the dumb vote.
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By the way Cruz's Campaign Manager/Chief of Staff during the 2016 election, Chip Roy, who incidentally is not under Federal Indictment, is a Shoe In for TX~21.
Chip did a bang up job in '16 cobbling together a 1/3 of the delegates that Trump got. What a winner.
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I think Chip is one of the good guys.
Hope so as he will be replacing a stalwart!
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Chip did a bang up job in '16 cobbling together a 1/3 of the delegates that Trump got. What a winner.
Obviously, @Frank Cannon, many of Trump's more fervent supporters bear a lasting resentment towards Ted Cruz.
It's almost as if Ted had won. It's almost as if, after Trump won, Ted had been bitterly critical of Trump and tried to undermine his presidency.
What's also strange is that, even though I've supported Trump and his Presidency ever since Trump was elected, some Trump supporters immediately decide I'm an idiot or an enemy because I still like Ted Cruz.
Talk about insecurity.
Relax, people. Ted Cruz will not run in 2020 if Trump decides to seek re-election. You have nothing to fear from Ted Cruz. Put down your pitchforks and your torches and help us defeat Beto.
Good Lord!!
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I am less than one mile out of his district and get stuck with Lloyd Doggett. It could always be worse, I guess, SJL could be my representative.
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I am less than one mile out of his district and get stuck with Lloyd Doggett. It could always be worse, I guess, SJL could be my representative.
I'm pretty lucky, I have Cruz and Gohmert. Although I've been moving Libertarian, I have no problem supporting and working for those two.
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I am less than one mile out of his district and get stuck with Lloyd Doggett. It could always be worse, I guess, SJL could be my representative.
YAWN!!! Lloyd Doggett Sheila Jackson Lee same same!
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Obviously, @Frank Cannon, many of Trump's more fervent supporters bear a lasting resentment towards Ted Cruz.
The only thing I resent is revisionist history where people are trying to pump up a disaster of a campaign. Harold Stassen had better runs for the Presidency.
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Obviously, @Frank Cannon, many of Trump's more fervent supporters bear a lasting resentment towards Ted Cruz.
You bring it on yourself when you complain about how Trump treated Cruz in 2016 and forget that
Trump was only hitting back after Cruz attacked him. I'd be more than happy to move on if yall
would stop bringing up the 2016 campaign.
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And that is exactly why they almost never make their honest internal polls public. If they put out a poll that shows them 20 points up the money dries up and the same thing happens the other way around.
@Bigun
Even worse,from THEIR POV,a lot of their supporters tend to lose all the enthusiasm they have worked up to work for the campaign,and to even go to the polls on election day. After all if their guy is going to win,they can use that time to go golfing,fishing,or just screwing off.
We all know what happens to leads when the voters think it's a sure thing.
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The only thing I resent is revisionist history where people are trying to pump up a disaster of a campaign. Harold Stassen had better runs for the Presidency.
C'mon @Frank Cannon Reality is just off to your right. Turn and face it.
As I've mentioned before, Ted Cruz was virtually unknown nationally until this presidential run and Trump was a household name (not saying what kind of households).
It's a tribute to Ted Cruz that he became Trump's closest challenger.
And, apparently, he scared the pants off of Trump supporters.
And, apparently, they are still afraid because just mentioning the name, Ted Cruz, sends them into paroxysms of fear and loathing.
Trump will never be as smart, as articulate, as knowledgeable or as conservative as Ted Cruz but I've agreed many times on this forum that Trump may be the right President for the times.
Why are you still afraid of Ted Cruz, Frank?
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He got a lot of those delegates, not because they liked Cruz, but because Cruz was not Trump.
15 others were't Trump either. Your point?
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It's a tribute to Ted Cruz that he became Trump's closest challenger.
And, apparently, he scared the pants off of Trump supporters.
Can you show me any evidence of any of your assertions? I can sure as shit show you with not only a vote map from the Primary that no one wanted Cruz, but also with delegate totals that were 1000 apart. Trump supporters weren't scare of Cruz......they mocked him.
The Bern got a higher percentage of Delegates against Hitlary (50%) than Cruz got against Trump (30%). That's pathetic.
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The only thing I resent is revisionist history where people are trying to pump up a disaster of a campaign. Harold Stassen had better runs for the Presidency.
Like we hear every day from your side about Trump?
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15 others were't Trump either. Your point?
Most of the others dropped out. Cruz was the last not Trump man standing. So all the NeverTrump
votes and delegates went to him.
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Most of the others dropped out. Cruz was the last not Trump man standing. So all the NeverTrump
votes and delegates went to him.
Oh yeah.....you mean conservatives.
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See what you're doing here @Frank Cannon
You are enabling people who hate Trump. You are encouraging people who hate Trump.
I am not one of those people. When I go back to the general political discussion board, if you look over there in your corner, you will see me.
I support Trump. He's doing a great job and he's sticking to his agenda. The Media is fighting him with lies. CNN has refused to recant or apologize for a negative story about Trump even though their own witness has reneged on it.
Many people on TBR denigrate Trump's accomplishments. They say they support him if he does something good but that is a lie. There's always a 'but.' Trump accomplished this ... but.
The wall didn't magically appear. And so on ad nauseum.
But I think Ted Cruz will be a great President some day and Trump will pave the way for that.
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See what you're doing here @Frank Cannon
You are enabling people who hate Trump. You are encouraging people who hate Trump.
I am not one of those people. When I go back to the general political discussion board, if you look over there in your corner, you will see me.
I support Trump. He's doing a great job and he's sticking to his agenda. The Media is fighting him with lies. CNN has refused to recant or apologize for a negative story about Trump even though their own witness has reneged on it.
Many people on TBR denigrate Trump's accomplishments. They say they support him if he does something good but that is a lie. There's always a 'but.' Trump accomplished this ... but.
The wall didn't magically appear. And so on ad nauseum.
But I think Ted Cruz will be a great President some day and Trump will pave the way for that.
Here's my problem with Cruz right now. He is blowing a slam dunk election. That means the NRSC is going to be forced to throw money into an election when people like Lou Barletta who have a shot of flipping a seat lose out on precious resources.
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Here's my problem with Cruz right now. He is blowing a slam dunk election. That means the NRSC is going to be forced to throw money into an election when people like Lou Barletta who have a shot of flipping a seat lose out on precious resources.
@Frank Cannon
And exactly what actual evidence are you basing that on? What you read in the papers and see on TB?
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Here's my problem with Cruz right now. He is blowing a slam dunk election. That means the NRSC is going to be forced to throw money into an election when people like Lou Barletta who have a shot of flipping a seat lose out on precious resources.
Watch it @Frank Cannon ... you are veering dangerously close to reality.
You are staking all your previous comments on your belief that Ted Cruz is blowing this election.
What are you gonna say when Cruz wins in a walk? Are you gonna take back all the things you said about him?
I thought I could outlast you on this thread but it will be hard. I'll come back if you say something else that is just wrong.
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You bring it on yourself when you complain about how Trump treated Cruz in 2016 and forget that
Trump was only hitting back after Cruz attacked him. I'd be more than happy to move on if yall
would stop bringing up the 2016 campaign.
I've never understood the antipathy the Trump supporters have toward the Cruz supporters, and vice versa. Maybe because I never supported either one of 'em.
With no axe to grind, all I can say is that Cruz dazzles on policy, but is deficient on most other qualities that make for a successful politician. I agree with Frank that he is in danger of blowing a winnable election. It is telling that the SAME POLLS that show Abbott winning in a landslide show Cruz barely holding his own. And polls showing undecideds in excess of 20% is a TERRIBLE number for an incumbent. That's the single stat that leads me to fear that Cruz is going to lose.
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Can you show me any evidence of any of your assertions? I can sure as shit show you with not only a vote map from the Primary that no one wanted Cruz, but also with delegate totals that were 1000 apart. Trump supporters weren't scare of Cruz......they mocked him.
The Bern got a higher percentage of Delegates against Hitlary (50%) than Cruz got against Trump (30%). That's pathetic.
Hah, hah, @Frank Cannon Trump supporters not only were afraid of Ted Cruz but they still are. They can't get over that tiny little fear that somehow Ted Cruz will beat Trump in an alternate reality.
How else can you account for the fear and loathing that arises from the most fervent Trump supporters when Cruz is mentioned?
They are so scared that they cannot admit to themselves that Ted Cruz has risen above the vicious and outrageous lies Trump told about him and supported the Trump presidency.
Can you say that about any of Trump's other opponents in the primaries? No, they all still despise him and try to undermine Trump's presidency.
You should be thanking Ted Cruz.
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@Frank Cannon
And exactly what actual evidence are you basing that on? What you read in the papers and see on TB?
That and what the candidate is saying. Even if the polls are total shit, you cannot tell me there isn't a massive undervote for Ted in this polling. Abbott is doing exactly how you would expect a popular Red state Gov would do in a Red State. Why is Cruz so far behind him?
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That and what the candidate is saying. Even if the polls are total shit, you cannot tell me there isn't a massive undervote for Ted in this polling. Abbott is doing exactly how you would expect a popular Red state Gov would do in a Red State. Why is Cruz so far behind him?
He's not!
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That and what the candidate is saying. Even if the polls are total shit, you cannot tell me there isn't a massive undervote for Ted in this polling. Abbott is doing exactly how you would expect a popular Red state Gov would do in a Red State. Why is Cruz so far behind him?
My best guess @Frank Cannon : Trump, the fiercest of all warriors, didn't spend 18 months saying BS about "Absent Minded Abbott'.
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My best guess @Frank Cannon : Trump, the fiercest of all warriors, didn't spend 18 months saying BS about "Absent Minded Abbott'.
I thought all you Texans hated Trump? You telling me some shitbag New Yawka is throwing shade on your hometown boy and your buying it?
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I thought all you Texans hated Trump? You telling me some shitbag New Yawka is throwing shade on your hometown boy and your buying it?
Like you said... Cruz ran a pathetic 2nd place.
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I have bought nothing from no arrogant Yankee!!!
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Like you said... Cruz ran a pathetic 2nd place.
Running a bad national campaign is way different than running a bad state wide campaign* especially since his is an incumbent. They are two different things. The yard sign/bumper sticker issue still has me worried. It's a terrible move.
*See Scott Walker.
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My best guess @Frank Cannon : Trump, the fiercest of all warriors, didn't spend 18 months saying BS about "Absent Minded Abbott'.
@corbe
Ahhhh,I see you already have your alibi in place in case Teddy Boy loses. If he loses it will be TRUMP's fault,not HIS fault.
Got it.
And you DARE to call anyone else a groupie?
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@sneakypete There is no doubt in my mind Sen. Cruz will win reelection in Texas, not by the 15~20% I dreamed about 6 months ago but comfortable enough, 5~8% and my second promise to you, My Friend, is if he does lose it rests on his shoulders ONLY, not anyone else.
$20 to TBR kitty on this.
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@sneakypete There is no doubt in my mind Sen. Cruz will win reelection in Texas, not by the 15~20% I dreamed about 6 months ago but comfortable enough, 5~8% and my second promise to you, My Friend, is if he does lose it rests on his shoulders ONLY, not anyone else.
$20 to TBR kitty on this.
@corbe
It makes not one iota of difference if he wins with 99 percent of the vote or 1 percent of the vote. A win is a win,and a loss is a loss.
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He'll Win.
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He'll Win.
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@corbe
Not in Texas if THAT photo were circulated or put on campaign signs.
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Texas is a BIG State, this is where Men are Men and sheep are scared. Everyone has a BIG belt buckle/Hat and an Ford F150, Texas Edition. Takes the heat off us hippies.
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Texas is a BIG State, this is where Men are Men and sheep are scared. Everyone has a BIG belt buckle/Hat and an Ford F150, Texas Edition. Takes the heat off us hippies.
@corbe You forgot the rifle in the back of that F150.
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He'll Win.
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Texas is a BIG State, this is where Men are Men and sheep are scared. Everyone has a BIG belt buckle/Hat and an Ford F150, Texas Edition. Takes the heat off us hippies.
Not everyone here is a Texas Aggie. Lots of us offer sheep safe passage.
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Not everyone here is a Texas Aggie. Lots of us offer sheep safe passage.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Besides,only girls drive F-150's. People that need trucks drive 3/4 ton or larger,preferably diesel-powered
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@corbe @Frank Cannon
Since you seem to like this sort of thing.
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At the end of the day...IMHO...Robert Francis O'Rourke will end up in the same trash heap of failed Liberal candidates that Abortion Barbie now resides in.
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At the end of the day...IMHO...Robert Francis O'Rourke will end up in the same trash heap of failed Liberal candidates that Abortion Barbie now resides in.
Don't be cocksure. If the SAME POLL that shows Cruz and O'Rourke tied shows Abbott leading by double digits, that's a sure sign that Cruz is in trouble. And when the poll shows in excess of 20 percent are undecided, that spells even more trouble because a well-known incumbent like Cruz would never have such a high percentage of undecideds if he were in fact sailing to re-election.
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Don't be cocksure. If the SAME POLL that shows Cruz and O'Rourke tied shows Abbott leading by double digits, that's a sure sign that Cruz is in trouble. And when the poll shows in excess of 20 percent are undecided, that spells even more trouble because a well-known incumbent like Cruz would never have such a high percentage of undecideds if he were in fact sailing to re-election.
Polls showed Kerry beating Bush...Clinton beating Trump. How much stock do you really want to put into polls?
David Dewhurst at one point was so far ahead of Cruz 6 years ago that Ted's poll numbers were at 15%.
How did that work out for David Dewhurst. The vast majority of Texans reject Liberalism. We have small pockets that are Liberal enclaves...buy by and large the state is bright red. And we don't like all the Hollyweird types pouring money in from out of state.
Outsiders from northern states don't really understand Texas politics.
But it's fun watching you try to prognosticate.
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Don't be cocksure. If the SAME POLL that shows Cruz and O'Rourke tied shows Abbott leading by double digits, that's a sure sign that Cruz is in trouble. And when the poll shows in excess of 20 percent are undecided, that spells even more trouble because a well-known incumbent like Cruz would never have such a high percentage of undecideds if he were in fact sailing to re-election.
@Jazzhead
I seriously doubt it. Cruz still has the same supporters he had before. Those people are locked in,and there were enough of them to put him in office. The odds of O'Rourke pulling in all the remaining votes is next to zero.
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LOL. That's bullshit and you know it. No rules were changed.
Granted that North Dakota is not exactly considered a political powerhouse, but the reason the map shows North Dakota in Black was rule changes that stopped any presidential primary in the state. The National GOP changed the rules and PooF! No primary.
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Polls showed Kerry beating Bush...Clinton beating Trump. How much stock do you really want to put into polls?
David Dewhurst at one point was so far ahead of Cruz 6 years ago that Ted's poll numbers were at 15%.
How did that work out for David Dewhurst. The vast majority of Texans reject Liberalism. We have small pockets that are Liberal enclaves...buy by and large the state is bright red. And we don't like all the Hollyweird types pouring money in from out of state.
Outsiders from northern states don't really understand Texas politics.
But it's fun watching you try to prognosticate.
Sadly, any more, I think the purpose of polls is to set the point spread in the voters minds, so when the fraud takes the tally there, no one cries foul.
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I heard Beto dropped out of a debate this weekend
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@Jazzhead
I seriously doubt it. Cruz still has the same supporters he had before. Those people are locked in,and there were enough of them to put him in office. The odds of O'Rourke pulling in all the remaining votes is next to zero.
Fine. Then be cocksure. No skin off of my nose.