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Title: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: flowers on September 24, 2013, 06:59:18 pm
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 07:02:52 pm
I am so proud of him. He is on C-SPAN2, for those who want to watch it uninterrupted.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 07:12:54 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/24/Cruz-Filibusters-I-Intend-to-Speak-in-Support-of-Defunding-Obamacare-Until-I-Am-No-Longer-Able-to-Stand (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/24/Cruz-Filibusters-I-Intend-to-Speak-in-Support-of-Defunding-Obamacare-Until-I-Am-No-Longer-Able-to-Stand)

TED CRUZ LAUNCHES FILIBUSTER: 'I INTEND TO SPEAK...UNTIL I AM NO LONGER ABLE TO STAND'

by TONY LEE  24 Sep 2013, 11:53 AM PDT

On Tuesday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) took to the Senate floor to begin a talking filibuster against the funding of Obamacare.

"I rise today in opposition to Obamacare," Cruz said. "I intend to speak in opposition to Obamacare. I intend to speak in support of defunding Obamacare until I am no longer able to stand."

Cruz said he will "do everything I can to help" Americans stand together against a Washington and "politicians in this body that are not listening to the people."

He said it was an honor to stand side-by-side with his colleague Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), the architect of the defunding strategy, and said it was time to recognize that this "grand experiment" of Obamacare is not working. Cruz said it was time to "make D.C. listen" and said it was a point that he would make "over and over again."

On Monday, Cruz demanded a 60-vote threshold for any amendments to the House bill that funds the government except for Obamacare. He said politicians who vote for cloture would be voting to fund Obamacare.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 24, 2013, 07:15:06 pm
Godspeed Senator Cruz!   

Hope you can hear us cheering you on!!!!   :patriot:     
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 07:15:33 pm
 :cheerlead: :cheerlead: :patriot:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: famousdayandyear on September 24, 2013, 07:15:56 pm
Amazing--the Senate is virtually empty except for Cruz and the presider.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 07:16:03 pm
Mark Levin has a running thread on the Ted Cruz filibuster on FB. He's my hero of the day, just like Rand was!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 24, 2013, 07:17:57 pm
Is John McCain treating everyone to free beer? 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
Is John McCain treating everyone to free beer?

If so, it would be the run-off.  ^-^
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 07:22:52 pm
Mark Levin has a running thread on the Ted Cruz filibuster on FB. He's my hero of the day, just like Rand was!

I will need to listen to Levin tonite.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 24, 2013, 07:24:13 pm
How do we let Cruz know we're listening and support him????
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: flowers on September 24, 2013, 07:28:58 pm
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on this. BUT by doing this what is he stopping?doing?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 24, 2013, 07:39:41 pm
Mike Lee is tag-teaming, giving Cruz a bit of a break .....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 07:40:00 pm
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on this. BUT by doing this what is he stopping?doing?

It is explained in a Redstate article I posted last night. He wants to stop cloture which requires 60 votes because Reid will use a lot of tricks if he gets cloture to strip out the defunding of Obamacare and insert what HE wants in the bill and then pass with 51 votes and send back to Boehner to pass in the House.  It gets a little complicated, but he is actually fillibustering a bill he supports to stop it from passing cloture because we have turncoat GOP senators who will not vote against cloture.. if all 46 stood firm against cloture - as they did the initial passage of Obamacare then this fillibuster would not be necessary... they would then be able to force Reid - in the Senate - to make concessions in order to pass cloture and thus a vote.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: truth_seeker on September 24, 2013, 07:49:16 pm
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on this. BUT by doing this what is he stopping?doing?
What he is doing is trying to convince at least 67 total Senators, including all 46 Republicans and 21 Democrats, to form a veto proof majority.

Then we also must move to the veto proof House majority, which we also don't have and won't reach.

(Regardless of the intermediate machinations, Obama would veto something he doesn't want.)

In reality it is all just drama in hope of forcing the dems to negotiate. To postpone ObamaCare, or cutback significantly.

But dems will not abandon Obama.


Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 07:56:03 pm
From National Review Online:

"UPDATE: 3:30 p.m. A technicality: as cloture has already been filed, Cruz will be speaking for a maximum of fifteen hours. Senate rules dictate that the body must adjourn by noon on Wednesday. This will likely be a long speech, but it cannot block legislation."

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 08:35:38 pm
So far Lee and Vitter have shown up to spell him a bit.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 08:44:24 pm
Love hearing Cruz talk about how his father learned to speak English. 

Reminds me, the guy who came in yesterday to look at replacing some molding in my house is Mexican (LEGAL as he stressed to me) and speaks good English. Was talking about his son in school and how he not only is learning "good" English but they speak English and Spanish at home so his son doesn't lose his ability to speak Spanish, but (he said) his son is teaching him to speak "proper" English (which is he very proud about).... 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 08:47:01 pm

Donald J. TrumpVerified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

It’s a shame the ruling class of Republicans don’t attack Obama and the Democrats the way they hit Senators Cruz & Lee.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 08:50:00 pm
GOP.com

Carolyn,
In a fight between Harry Reid and Ted Cruz, I will stand with Ted Cruz any day.

Today, Senator Cruz has taken the fight to defund ObamaCare to the Senate floor. I hope you will join me in standing with him in solidarity.

As Republicans, we must remain true to our principles and fight to protect the American people from this reckless law.

55% of Americans disapprove of the manner in which ObamaCare is being implemented, yet Harry Reid and Senate Democrats continue to defend it, even at the expense of keeping the government running.

Harry Reid may think ObamaCare "has been wonderful for America." But the facts are on our side – ObamaCare is costing Americans higher taxes, fewer jobs, and less access to care.

Join me and stand with Ted today. Sign our pledge and tell Harry Reid to defund ObamaCare immediately!

Reince Priebus
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 08:50:21 pm
Donald J. TrumpVerified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

It’s a shame the ruling class of Republicans don’t attack Obama and the Democrats the way they hit Senators Cruz & Lee.

Hey, Donald.  It's a shame Ted Cruz spent the last two weeks trashing Republicans instead of working with them to do something that might actually succeed.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 08:53:15 pm
BREAKING - The RNC has publicly backed @sentedcruz and his attempt on filibuster of Obamacare
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 08:55:00 pm
BREAKING - The RNC has publicly backed @sentedcruz and his attempt on filibuster of Obamacare

Twitter and Facebook is going crazy with supporting posts....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 08:55:05 pm
What he is doing is trying to convince at least 67 total Senators, including all 46 Republicans and 21 Democrats, to form a veto proof majority.



1. Shaming them and calling out how they operate would be criminal if they weren't in the Senate.
2. Appealing directly to the people.
3. Reminding them they answer to the people and calling them out on their elitist attitude.


History is going to play out who was right and wrong on this and hopefully people will remember.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 08:56:00 pm
From my friend and Congressman Louie Gohmert on Facebook.

Quote
Louie Gohmert
If you have lost your insurance because of Obamacare, let me know. If you have experienced a reduction in your work hours because of Obamacare, I want to hear from you. If your doctor has retired or said that they will simply stop practicing medicine altogether because of Obamacare, write to me at Obamacare@mail.house.gov
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 09:02:08 pm
Hey, Donald.  It's a shame Ted Cruz spent the last two weeks trashing Republicans instead of working with them to do something that might actually succeed.


hmmm he has not been doing the trashing, in fact he has been a gentleman while he is being pounded by people who SHOULD be supporting him... just to be sure I googled it... "cruz trashing Republicans" and this is what came up:

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    News for cruz trashing Republicans

        Hugh Hewitt Goes Off on 'Whiny' Republicans Trashing Ted Cruz: 'Get In The Game!'
        Mediaite ‎- 3 days ago
        Radio host Hugh Hewitt went on a powerful tirade against Bob Corker and other Republicans undermining any GOP attempt to defund ...
    Sep 16, 2013 - Ted Cruz and similar legislators" are obstructionists who care more about undermining the Republican establishment than advancing ...

    David Brooks' lame trashing of Ted Cruz - WorldNetDaily
        4 days ago - David Brooks' lame trashing of Ted Cruz. David Limbaugh ... And a lot of the House Republicans are in the same mode. They're not normal ...

   

    21 hours ago - Cruz vows to use all 'means available' to block ObamaCare, Reid tees up budget vote | Fox News. The Texas senator's battle, though, got off to ...
    Sen. Cruz's Fight Against Funding Disastrous ObamaCare, GOP ...
       2 days ago - It's now to the point that most of our elected DC officials in the Republican party are “Democrat Lite.” Sarah Palin, liberals' favorite punching bag ...
   
    NY Times Expresses “Concern” for GOP by Trashing Ted Cruz ...
        Jan 23, 2013 - I realize it is the contention of the Times editors that gun control is constitutional, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Second Amendment ...

    WHY ARE REPUBLICANS TRASHING THEIR OWN?... - Facebook
       TED CRUZ IN PARTICULAR... "LIKE" if you AGREE with Rush. Rush Limbaugh said: “... Why do you call yourself a Republican if you all you want to do is lay ...

Republicans Should Really Stop Bashing Ted Cruz | The Lonely ...
2 days ago - GOP Congressman Michael Grimm –an apparently good guy and Marine I'd never ever heard of until today– is out and about trashing Cruz ...


'Top' DC Republicans Sent Oppo Research to 'Hammer' Cruz ...
2 days ago - 'Top' DC Republicans Sent Oppo Research to 'Hammer' Cruz. ... in the senate while Rove was trashing republican candidates he did not like.

Why Republicans Are Sniping at Cruz « Commentary Magazine
by Jonathan Tobin
6 hours ago - If Cruz were proposing to his fellow Republicans a strategy that had a prayer of .... Responses to Joshua Muravchik's "Trashing Israel Daily" ...

Ted Cruz's Two Front War: Cowardly GOPers and a Dumbed-Down ...
4 days ago - GOP Congressman Michael Grimm –an apparently good guy and Marine I'd never ever heard of until today– is out and about trashing Cruz ...

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    BOR: Ted Cruz and Tea Party Wag Republican Dog
       Apr 29, 2013 - Ted Cruz and Tea Party Wag Republican Dog ... the Senate Republican Conference [a big taboo]," and "trashed his colleagues in the process.


and much, much more.. I see no article saying the barbs have been sent the other way against the GOP
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 09:07:02 pm
Since when shouldn't Americans fight for what they believe in? It is the conservatives who are standing by their principles. The rest of them are politics firsters, mostly for personal profit.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 09:07:17 pm
http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-says-ted-cruz-isnt-doing-a-real-filibuster/article/2536321 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-says-ted-cruz-isnt-doing-a-real-filibuster/article/2536321)

Harry Reid says Ted Cruz isn't doing a real filibuster
By JOEL GEHRKE | SEPTEMBER 24, 2013 AT 3:13 PM

Senate Majority Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters that Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who began speaking without interruption on the Senate floor Tuesday in opposition to funding Obamacare, isn't engaged in a real filibuster.

"There's no filibuster going on now," Reid said Tuesday. "People can come and talk, but they can't do anything to change when we vote." The vote is scheduled for Wednesday.

Cruz took the floor today, explaining that he "intended to speak out in defense of defunding Obamacare until I can no longer stand."

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters he would not object to having the cloture vote before tomorrow -- Reid would like to have it as soon as possible, to leave more time before the budget deadline to respond to any legislation the House passes -- but that can't happen if Cruz holds the floor today.
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"If Obamacare is so wonderful, why is it that its loudest advocates don't want to be subject to it," Cruz said, in reference to legislators who want congressional staff exempted from Obamacare.

He also faulted his Republican colleagues who opposed the push to defund the health care law through the continuing resolution by alluding to "The Little Engine That Could." "The message would be simple — that little engine can't," Cruz said.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 09:24:25 pm
http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-says-ted-cruz-isnt-doing-a-real-filibuster/article/2536321 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-says-ted-cruz-isnt-doing-a-real-filibuster/article/2536321)

Harry Reid says Ted Cruz isn't doing a real filibuster
By JOEL GEHRKE | SEPTEMBER 24, 2013 AT 3:13 PM

Senate Majority Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters that Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, who began speaking without interruption on the Senate floor Tuesday in opposition to funding Obamacare, isn't engaged in a real filibuster.

"There's no filibuster going on now," Reid said Tuesday. "People can come and talk, but they can't do anything to change when we vote." The vote is scheduled for Wednesday.

Cruz took the floor today, explaining that he "intended to speak out in defense of defunding Obamacare until I can no longer stand."

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters he would not object to having the cloture vote before tomorrow -- Reid would like to have it as soon as possible, to leave more time before the budget deadline to respond to any legislation the House passes -- but that can't happen if Cruz holds the floor today.
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"If Obamacare is so wonderful, why is it that its loudest advocates don't want to be subject to it," Cruz said, in reference to legislators who want congressional staff exempted from Obamacare.

He also faulted his Republican colleagues who opposed the push to defund the health care law through the continuing resolution by alluding to "The Little Engine That Could." "The message would be simple — that little engine can't," Cruz said.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E5NliRFCJ8U/T7QqQUiU2WI/AAAAAAAABwg/uJM4QBA7820/s1600/baghdad_bob_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 09:26:44 pm

Rand Paul to join Cruz in Senate floor protest against ObamaCare
By Alexandra Jaffe - 09/24/13 04:03 PM ET

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is planning to head to the Senate floor to support Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) attempt to delay a Senate vote on the House-passed government funding measure that defunds ObamaCare.

Cruz is speaking on the Senate floor "until I am no longer able to stand," he said, as a protest intended to prevent Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) from stripping the bill of the provision that defunds ObamaCare.

A Paul aide said that the senator, who famously launched a talking filibuster of John Brennan's nomination as CIA director to focus attention on President Obama's policy on drones earlier this year, will join Cruz on the floor to offer "reinforcements" sometime later today. It's unclear how long Paul will talk, or what he's expected to say.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is opposed to Cruz's gambit.

"Senator McConnell supports the House Republicans' bill and will not vote to block it, since it defunds ObamaCare and funds the government without increasing spending by a penny," McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said Monday in a statement. "He will also vote against any amendment that attempts to add Obamacare funding back into the House Republicans' bill."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is expected to advance H.J.Res. 59 with an amendment to remove the House language that defunds ObamaCare.

A vote to end debate on the motion to proceed is expected Wednesday, and Cruz's actions cannot stop that from happening.

— Ramsey Cox contributed reporting.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/324285-rand-paul-to-join-cruz-in-senate-floor-protest-against-obamacare#ixzz2fqcnZ9TV
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 09:31:31 pm
Who is upholding Republican principles? Do they even matter to some on here?

Quote
2012 Republican Party Platform

Quote
Repealing Obamacare...The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – Obamacare – was never really about healthcare, though its impact upon the nation’s health is disastrous...Congressional Republicans are committed to its repeal

http://whitehouse16.com/republican-party-platform/#Item6
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 09:39:40 pm
Who is upholding Republican principles? Do they even matter to some on here?

http://whitehouse16.com/republican-party-platform/#Item6

Ted Cruz is doing two things in this effort! He is following through on his pledge to oppose Obamacare in every way open to him and, more importantly in my view, he is exposing the RINO Ba$#%@#$# who need to GO!

Good on him for both!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 09:45:09 pm
Who is upholding Republican principles? Do they even matter to some on here?

http://whitehouse16.com/republican-party-platform/#Item6

I have been waiting for most of my adult life to see elected republican stand up en mass for the principles laid out by the grass roots of the party in the platform but I've lived a long time and not seen it yet. Still hoping to see it before I die!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: DCPatriot on September 24, 2013, 09:48:21 pm



(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/avatars/avatar_9404_1352404393.png)

Bigun....I hope this is a recent photo!!     :beer:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 09:49:06 pm
Ted Cruz is doing two things in this effort! He is following through on his pledge to oppose Obamacare in every way open to him and, more importantly in my view, he is exposing the RINO Ba$#%@#$# who need to GO!

Good on him for both!

Hell, he is exposing all of the government. Did you catch earlier when he described illegal extortion and how, when the Senate does it (and he was specific) they can get away with it?  He is calling them out. I hope a lot of people are watching this.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 09:52:47 pm
Hell, he is exposing all of the government. Did you catch earlier when he described illegal extortion and how, when the Senate does it (and he was specific) they can get away with it?  He is calling them out. I hope a lot of people are watching this.

I should be working, but I'm glued to cSpan.. and I just popped some popcorn (seriously)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: famousdayandyear on September 24, 2013, 09:57:14 pm
Hoot!  Sen Sessions and a tutorial on single payer==excellent.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 10:01:17 pm
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:flag:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: andy58-in-nh on September 24, 2013, 10:07:55 pm
(http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/winthroproberts/ted_zps3c02e963.png) (http://s1058.photobucket.com/user/winthroproberts/media/ted_zps3c02e963.png.html)

 :flag:

When cowardice and corruption become the accepted norm in a society, expressions of courage invite ridicule born not of disbelief, but of fear. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 10:07:59 pm


(http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/avatars/avatar_9404_1352404393.png)

Bigun....I hope this is a recent photo!!     :beer:

About a year old now. The photo that is!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:11:22 pm
I heart Jeff Sessions, too!  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Scottftlc on September 24, 2013, 10:19:03 pm
Mr. Cruz goes to Washington.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 10:20:10 pm
UPDATE: Sen. Jeff Sessions Says Obamacare Will Make DC More of a Boomtown

Sessions said Obamacare would create more jobs for bureaucrats and lobbyists in DC at a time when the rest of the nation is struggling economically. Cruz said the "boom business in our economy is government" and that was unfortunate because smart people see gaming the government as a way to enrich themselves. Cruz said the divide between the bipartisan ruling class and the rest of America was the greatest source of the country's problems and disillusionment.

UPDATE: Sen. Jeff Sessions Joins Cruz on the Senate Floor

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), a staunch opponent of the Senate's amnesty bill, earned the respect of many conservatives with his war-horse like work in opposing comprehensive immigration reform.

He asked Cruz if Obamacare leads to a single-payer system, who would be the payer?

Cruz said that government would be the payer, which means the taxpayers. Cruz noted that once government pays for healthcare it can control it. He had said that the vote for cloture on the bill before the Senate will be the most important vote he will have taken in his nine months in the Senate because it is a question of whether senators will be responding to the "suffering" that Obamacare has wrought across America. Cruz said senators have the "for me but not for thee" mentality on Obamacare, and Cruz said senators would oppose Obamacare more fiercely if their healthcare or that of their children were on the line like it is for many of America's most vulnerable.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 10:20:36 pm
I should be working, but I'm glued to cSpan.. and I just popped some popcorn (seriously)

That's how I've been today. Luckily I am working at home today so I'm a bit more flexible.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 10:21:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2yu-Mo1ogo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2yu-Mo1ogo)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 10:24:33 pm
I watching it, too, and eating junk that I don't care for, but don't want to go to the grocery store while this is going on. I guess I will order delivery, but you have to order at least $25 and then, pay $2 for service, and the tip. I think I better go to the grocery. It's only 1/2 a mile from here.  LOL!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 10:28:21 pm
 MATT DRUDGE        ✔ @DRUDGE

Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have taken over the heart of the party. Christie going to have uphill battle against emotion...
4:35 PM - 24 Sep 2013
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 10:29:36 pm
I respect everyone here on the forum.  Let me say that I hope Senator Cruz accomplishes something with this effort.  I would love to say all of you were right.  I certainly can't dispute the principles being defended!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 10:32:11 pm
I respect everyone here on the forum.  Let me say that I hope Senator Cruz accomplishes something with this effort.  I would love to say all of you were right.  I certainly can't dispute the principles being defended!

You're a good person, 240.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 10:32:54 pm
MATT DRUDGE        ✔ @DRUDGE

Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have taken over the heart of the party. Christie going to have uphill battle against emotion...
4:35 PM - 24 Sep 2013

If Christie is going up hill, it is best not to follow him. If he falls he is likely to crush anyone following him. (literal and metaphorical interpretations both apply).
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:34:58 pm
That's how I've been today. Luckily I am working at home today so I'm a bit more flexible.

I work at home, but still hard to concentrate on coding when I'm listening to debate ~LOL~
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 10:39:26 pm
UPDATE: Cruz Points Out 'No Consequences' for Those Who Said House Would Never Pass Bill to Defund Obamacare

Cruz said there are no consequences for people in their "deep baritone voices" who said the House would never pass a bill to defund Obamacare. He noted that Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) was not initially on board with the initial group that was in favor of the defunding strategy and has now expressed his support.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:39:40 pm
So far, we've seen Senator Lee, Senator Vitter, Senator Paul, Senator Roberts, Senator Sessions,  and now Senator Rubio...... anyone else??
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:44:29 pm
@NathanHale1775 45m

Cruz is ripping off the veil: Obamacare is a Trojan horse for single payer communist style healthcare
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 10:45:39 pm
 Claire McCaskill: Grab popcorn, watch GOP
By: Jose DelReal
September 24, 2013 02:08 PM EDT

Senate Republicans continue squabbling over a controversial strategy to defund Obamacare, and Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) on Tuesday admitted via Twitter she’s enjoying the show.

McCaskill sent out a tweet from the Democratic caucus meeting, admitting that she’d rather be watching the action from across the aisle.

 

     

    In our D caucus meeting.True confession: I’d rather have a diet coke and popcorn &watch the show that must be going in R caucus today.— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) September 24, 2013

 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 10:47:59 pm
You're a good person, 240.
240?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:48:04 pm
Want to see what a train wreck Obamacare has become...... click on this link... too many stories to copy here.....

https://storify.com/DLoesch/the-real-stories-of-obamacare
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:49:27 pm
Chris Enloe ‏@chrisenloe 2h

@SenTedCruz needs to start reading the actual health care bill. Then he won't run out of words and we'll know what's in it!! #StandWithCruz
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:50:34 pm
@Yowan 3h

People Don't Always watch C-SPAN 2, but when they do it's because of Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee! #StandWithCruz
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: DCPatriot on September 24, 2013, 10:52:19 pm
240?

LOL!  I had tried to PM her about it, but you beat me to it.

No respect, I tell ya!    :laugh: :
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 10:53:00 pm
I respect everyone here on the forum.  Let me say that I hope Senator Cruz accomplishes something with this effort.  I would love to say all of you were right.  I certainly can't dispute the principles being defended!

You do not advance a movement by losing.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:57:13 pm
You do not advance a movement by losing. giving up and not trying.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 10:57:29 pm


Byron York ‏@ByronYork 4m

With Heritage Action, Senate Conservatives Fund, and others pushing, some GOP senators will seek safety in vote with Cruz-Lee...

So in end, vote will probably be closer than it would be if you simply polled GOP senators on their opinion of Cruz-Lee strategy.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: DCPatriot on September 24, 2013, 11:00:16 pm
You do not advance a movement by losing.


Like it or not, this will be an historic speech in his rise to the top of the Republican Party.  Because regardless of the outcome here, he will certainly have his "I told you so!" moment!

Very powerful.  It worked wonders for Rand Paul & the Drones filibuster.  Didn't surprise me that he'd want some face time here too.  They are jockeying for Iowa.

It's like we're watching Dancing with the Stars...Paul vs. Cruz.

Advice to Paul....learn to speak fluent Spanish.  Rosetta Stone, hurry.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:01:34 pm
Senator Patty Murray ‏@PattyMurray now

Because of #Obamacare, women will no longer be denied coverage for having received medical treatment for sexual violence.





Wow....go figure...didn't know this............/s
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 11:01:43 pm
You do not advance a movement by losing.
It is in motion, sink. The Rubicon has been crossed. The battle has been joined. For now, I will hope for the best.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:03:07 pm
UPDATE: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) echoes many points from his standard speech about how Obamacare makes it tougher for people to live the American dream like Rubio's and Cruz's parents were able to do.

Cruz said that Rubio inspired him and was a "critical national leader" and was there from day one with Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) on defunding Obamacare. Cruz also noted that "official Washington" did not think Rubio could get elected to the Senate when he was running against then-Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist. Rubio won after running on Tea Party principles but has seen his poll numbers among conservatives and Republicans plummet after his enthusiastic support of the Senate's comprehensive immigration reform bill as a member of the chamber's "Gang of Eight" that wrote it
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:03:51 pm

Like it or not, this will be an historic speech in his rise to the top of the Republican Party.  Because regardless of the outcome here, he will certainly have his "I told you so!" moment!

Very powerful.  It worked wonders for Rand Paul & the Drones filibuster.  Didn't surprise me that he'd want some face time here too.  They are jockeying for Iowa.

It's like we're watching Dancing with the Stars...Paul vs. Cruz.

Advice to Paul....learn to speak fluent Spanish.  Rosetta Stone, hurry.
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: DCPatriot on September 24, 2013, 11:04:12 pm
Senator Patty Murray ‏@PattyMurray now

Because of #Obamacare, women will no longer be denied coverage for having received medical treatment for sexual violence.





Wow....go figure...didn't know this............/s



"Honey....that appointment with the OBGYN specialist this Friday?

Well, I need a real hard spanking tonight!"   
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:05:28 pm
It is in motion, sink. The Rubicon has been crossed. The battle has been joined. For now, I will hope for the best.

We have a changing of the guard at the GOPe. I knew this was going to get traction when the RNC jumped in immediately on this today.. with Paul they waited till late in the evening... not this time, they sent out mass email mailings in support of Cruz almost as soon as he started talking.  People like McCain, Graham, etc., are flailing because they see what they considered their leadership roles in the GOP slipping from their war mongering hands.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: DCPatriot on September 24, 2013, 11:11:20 pm
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.


I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't passionate about what he was saying.  He could be like Thomas Paine or John Adams.

What I see is somebody taking Rahm's advice, and not letting a good crisis go to waste.

 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 11:12:01 pm
You do not advance a movement by losing. giving up and not trying.

Excellent, Rapunzel, simply excellent.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:12:17 pm
It is in motion, sink. The Rubicon has been crossed. The battle has been joined. For now, I will hope for the best.

It's not in motion, Lando.  The outcome is foreordained.  Cruz seems to champion causes he knows he can't win in order to convince his followers of his principle.  He did NOTHING to advance his cause with the House Republicans by attempting to shame them into a vote, admitting he's going to lose in the Senate, then turning right around and DEMANDING that the House vote to fund each government department singly.

He backed himself into a corner, so now he has to fight like hell (or at least LOOK like he is fighting like hell)  in order to avoid looking like a demagogue.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 11:13:01 pm
240?

So Sorry! I'm hungry and not thinking. Anyway, you are a good person.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Scottftlc on September 24, 2013, 11:14:31 pm
You do not advance a movement by losing.

Tell that to Winston Churchill, who lost and lost and lost for a decade and still in the Wilderness he would not stay quiet.  He was reviled, particularly after Munich.  Yet it was he to whom Chamberlain had to turn after Poland, and then it was he to whom the nation turned after Norway...he was the one summoned by the King to lead.  Because he was the only consistent voice throughout...through all of his many defeats.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:15:45 pm
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/988729_242317345919760_1880408103_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:16:50 pm
We have a changing of the guard at the GOPe. I knew this was going to get traction when the RNC jumped in immediately on this today.. with Paul they waited till late in the evening... not this time, they sent out mass email mailings in support of Cruz almost as soon as he started talking.  People like McCain, Graham, etc., are flailing because they see what they considered their leadership roles in the GOP slipping from their war mongering hands.

Cruz's "filibuster" is not a filibuster as it stops nothing. 

Was General George Custer considered a successful general?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:16:55 pm
@TobyMarie 1h

Senate phone lines are jammed. Start using fax, social media. Go to http://www.dontfundobamacare.com  for list of twitter accounts.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:17:46 pm
 ‏@amandacarpenter 3h

CRUZ: "There is a tendency to view your constituents as an annoyance..I've heard senators complain, 'too many phone calls'"
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 11:19:17 pm
I wonder what Mitch McConnell is thinking right now? LOL!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:20:37 pm
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.

You really don't know anything about Ted Cruz do you?  At this point in Obama's career, he had on his resume State Senator (skipping meetings and voting present), worked at Harvard Law Review (taught a couple of classes a year) and Community Organizer.

Cruz's resume however....


    Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 - May 2008, Cruz was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the entire country, and had the longest tenure in Texas history.

    Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.

    Cruz has authored 80+ SCOTUS briefs and presented 40+ oral arguments before The Court

    Cruz served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States

    Described as a 'superb' constitutional lawyer, the man's considerable skills and laser-like focus were on display for all last week when he took oily reptile Eric Holder by the neck and made him answer the frickin question.

    In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Cruz presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

    In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the majority of the 2003 Texas redistricting plan. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.

    Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission

    Domestic Policy Advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

    Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation


    AWARDS: "America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010) "50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (2008) "25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010) "20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (1999) Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School

    On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He is now spearheading efforts in the Senate to have Obamacare repealed root-and-branch...
-----------------------


That's about as thin as Honey Boo Boo's mom.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:24:00 pm
Tell that to Winston Churchill, who lost and lost and lost for a decade and still in the Wilderness he would not stay quiet.  He was reviled, particularly after Munich.  Yet it was he to whom Chamberlain had to turn after Poland, and then it was he to whom the nation turned after Norway...he was the one summoned by the King to lead.  Because he was the only consistent voice throughout...through all of his many defeats.

So now Cruz is Churchill.  Are you friggin' serious? 

Winston Churchill actually fought in a war, and didn't begin to campaign for Prime Minister 15 minutes after he came into public life.

The notion that the nation is going to turn to an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz when in trouble is laughable.

Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 11:25:18 pm
I wonder what Mitch McConnell is thinking right now? LOL!

How about betraying Republican principles in the 2012 platform? He and Cornyn both.

Quote
Exclusive–Source: McConnell, Cornyn Whipping Votes Against Ted Cruz

Quote
A source in Congress tells Breitbart News that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn are using their leadership positions to pressure other Republicans to oppose Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) in his campaign to defund Obamacare.

"Right now in the Senate, Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn are actively whipping Senators to shut down debate on the House continuing resolution so that Harry Reid can gut it with just 51 votes,” a senior congressional staffer with intimate knowledge of the situation said in an email to Breitbart News. “Unbelievably, they actually are leading the fight to fully fund Obamacare.”

McConnell and Cornyn stated earlier Monday that they oppose a possible filibuster from Cruz to keep Reid from adding language funding the Affordable Care Act to the continuing resolution passed by the House of Representatives...

Instead of helping Cruz with their power as Senate GOP leaders, McConnell and Cornyn are working against him, this senior staffer said. But in the end, they will try to make it appear as though they do not support funding Obamacare by voting against Reid’s amendment after allowing Reid to implement it. “Once it's a 51-vote threshold, both McConnell and Cornyn will hide behind a 'no' vote on Reid's amendment—so they will have yet another show vote,” the staffer said.

“To be clear, nobody is fighting harder to make sure Obamacare is funded than Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn,” the senior staffer added.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/23/Exclusive-McConnell-Cornyn-whipping-votes-against-Ted-Cruz
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:25:25 pm
Well, now we know what username John McCain uses.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:26:50 pm
Well, now we know what username John McCain uses.

 goopo
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:27:33 pm
You really don't know anything about Ted Cruz do you?  At this point in Obama's career, he had on his resume State Senator (skipping meetings and voting present), worked at Harvard Law Review (taught a couple of classes a year) and Community Organizer.

Cruz's resume however....


    Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 - May 2008, Cruz was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the entire country, and had the longest tenure in Texas history.

    Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.

    Cruz has authored 80+ SCOTUS briefs and presented 40+ oral arguments before The Court

    Cruz served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States

    Described as a 'superb' constitutional lawyer, the man's considerable skills and laser-like focus were on display for all last week when he took oily reptile Eric Holder by the neck and made him answer the frickin question.

    In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Cruz presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

    In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the majority of the 2003 Texas redistricting plan. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.

    Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission

    Domestic Policy Advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

    Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation


    AWARDS: "America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010) "50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (2008) "25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010) "20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (1999) Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School

    On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He is now spearheading efforts in the Senate to have Obamacare repealed root-and-branch...
-----------------------


That's about as thin as Honey Boo Boo's mom.

Yada, yada, yada.  Cruz cut his elective teeth on the Senate and, three months into the office, set his sights on the presidency.  He may play well in Texas but he's burning bridges right and left with his arrogance and abrasive personality.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 11:28:02 pm
It's not in motion, Lando.  The outcome is foreordained.  Cruz seems to champion causes he knows he can't win in order to convince his followers of his principle.  He did NOTHING to advance his cause with the House Republicans by attempting to shame them into a vote, admitting he's going to lose in the Senate, then turning right around and DEMANDING that the House vote to fund each government department singly.

He backed himself into a corner, so now he has to fight like hell (or at least LOOK like he is fighting like hell)  in order to avoid looking like a demagogue.

I am just cynical enough to believe that this is a personal, political calculation for Senator Cruz. But, he is engaged at this moment. Intents and purposes scarcely matter at this moment.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Scottftlc on September 24, 2013, 11:29:29 pm
So now Cruz is Churchill.  Are you friggin' serious? 

Winston Churchill actually fought in a war, and didn't begin to campaign for Prime Minister 15 minutes after he came into public life.

The notion that the nation is going to turn to an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz when in trouble is laughable.

Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism.

The point wasn't that Cruz was a Churchill, the point was that you very much can advance a cause by losing with principle and by being consistent in your voice.  Ronald Reagan did that in 1976. And didn't you above compare Cruz to Custer?  He's as much a Churchill as he is a Custer.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:29:50 pm
ObamaCare will now be called McConnellCare
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 11:31:01 pm
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.

Oh no it isn't! He's doing it because he said he would! Something I wish many more "republicans" would emulate!

And he is accomplishing another thing as well. He is exposing the RINO Ba$%^$% who need to GO as well! If John Cornyn doesn't get fully on board with this DAMNED soon he will soon be the ex senator from Texas!

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:31:54 pm
I am just cynical enough to believe that this is a personal, political calculation for Senator Cruz. But, he is engaged at this moment. Intents and purposes scarcely matter at this moment.

Well, I don't care what Cruz's motives are..he is saying and doing something...saying what all of us feel..
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:32:06 pm
Yada, yada, yada.  Cruz cut his elective teeth on the Senate and, three months into the office, set his sights on the presidency.  He may play well in Texas but he's burning bridges right and left with his arrogance and abrasive personality.

First, Cruz isn't abrasive. He is a pretty likable guy. The only people he is pissing off are old RINOs like McCain because he is challenging them. Among his constituents, he is very popular.

Second, Cruz has never said he is running for President. Others like to say he is to discount what he is doing as having an ulterior motive. He actually said back in July he is not running.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/07/22/sen-ted-cruz-says-not-focused-on-running-for-president-in-2016/
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:32:47 pm
The point wasn't that Cruz was a Churchill, the point was that you very much can advance a cause by losing with principle and by being consistent in your voice.  Ronald Reagan did that in 1976. And didn't you above compare Cruz to Custer?  He's as much a Churchill as he is a Custer.

Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:33:30 pm
 McConnell I hope is history...can't tell me the good people of Kentucky want this boondoggle called Obamacare.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:33:51 pm
Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself. me.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:34:10 pm
First, Cruz isn't abrasive. He is a pretty likable guy. The only people he is pissing off are old RINOs like McCain because he is challenging them. Among his constituents, he is very popular.

Second, Cruz has never said he is running for President. Others like to say he is to discount what he is doing as having an ulterior motive. He actually said back in July he is not running.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/07/22/sen-ted-cruz-says-not-focused-on-running-for-president-in-2016/

He's been to Iowa three times.  Why the hell else, unless you're from Iowa, would a Senator go to Iowa?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:34:39 pm
This Ph.D would disagree with Sink......

Linda Suhler, Ph.D. ‏@LindaSuhler 44m

Now in the 5th hour of filibuster, Senator Cruz's presentation is flawless and impassioned. What a speaker! What a leader!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 11:35:02 pm
Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself.

Embarrassed himself??? SURELY you must be joking!

Perhaps you should venture over to Twitter and see for yourself just how much he is "embarrassing" himself!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:35:18 pm
UPDATE: SARAH PALIN TO CRUZ: 'Stay Strong'

After an appearance on Fox News' Cavuto in which she had Cruz's back and her exclusive op-ed for Breitbart News over the weekend gave Cruz air cover and lit up the political world, the politician whom Cruz said he would not be in the Senate without weighed in on Twitter and supported Cruz, saying that "fortifying caribou jerky" was on its way to Texas as well:

Quote
Sarah Palin        ✔ @SarahPalinUSA

Stay strong @SenTedCruz! Wear comfortable shoes. As we did for Rand Paul, fortifying caribou jerky is on it's way #KeepCruzing #MakeDCListen
6:06 PM - 24 Sep 2013

At this year's CPAC, Cruz said he would not be in the Senate were it not for Palin, who endorsed Cruz during the 2012 Texas Senate primary at a time when Cruz was not assured to make the runoff against moderate Republican Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst. Former South Carolina Senator and current Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint, whose mantle Cruz is taking up in the Senate, said nobody has more influence in a Republican primary than Palin. Cruz's campaign prominently featured Palin on its website and in radio and television ads, and Cruz eventually made the runoff against Dewhurst and eventually won the nomination and the Senate seat. The Senate's landscape would be a lot different had Dewhurst been elected to the Senate from Texas, which is what many in the Republican establishment wanted.

Cruz, unlike many who have come to Washington to change it only to be changed by it, has not proverbially seen the Washington, D.C. cesspool as a jacuzzi and has danced with the one that brung him. He repeatedly emphasizes that he is accountable to the grassroots and not the mainstream media and Republican establishment, which has surprised political reporters who are accustomed to conservatives being co-opted by Washington's establishment.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:37:03 pm
Rep. Steve Stockman ‏@ReElectStockman 1m

MT @FreedomWorks @SenTedCruz is reading off over 300 businesses forced to make cuts due to #ObamaCare http://keepcruzing.com  #makeDClisten
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 24, 2013, 11:38:20 pm
This Ph.D would disagree with Sink......

Linda Suhler, Ph.D. ‏@LindaSuhler 44m

Now in the 5th hour of filibuster, Senator Cruz's presentation is flawless and impassioned. What a speaker! What a leader!

Not much of a Ph.D.  It's not a filibuster. No vote is being stopped.

By the way, anybody whom nobody's ever heard of feels the need to put "Ph.D" at the end of her name is a bit arrogant herself.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:38:21 pm
Obama Says Most Support ObamaCare Despite 6 Polls Showing Otherwise  (http://patdollard.com/2013/09/obama-lies-to-americans-saying-most-support-obamacare-despite-6-polls-showing-otherwise/)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Scottftlc on September 24, 2013, 11:39:17 pm
Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself.

And once again you intentionally miss the point...it is not that Cruz is a Reagan it is that you can advance a cause by losing with principle and a consistent voice. History is replete with examples in many fields.  I will not burden you with any more examples that you can twist in your personal anger at this particular Republican Senator.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 24, 2013, 11:39:58 pm
Well, I don't care what Cruz's motives are..he is saying and doing something...saying what all of us feel..
Yes myst, he is.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:40:04 pm
Liz Cheney ‏@Liz_Cheney 1h

#StandwithCruz - Ted is an example, too rare in Washington, of having the courage of your convictions.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:40:22 pm
He's been to Iowa three times.  Why the hell else, unless you're from Iowa, would a Senator go to Iowa?

I've been to Iowa several times in the past year and I'm not running for President. Seriously though, he is the vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. It is part of his job. At that, he has been to most States with Republican Senators. In Iowa's case, he was there with Charles Grassley. Cruz and Grassley have been working closely on bills to protect the 2nd Amendment. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill  So yea, he would go there if he was working with the Senator from Iowa.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:42:14 pm
I've been to Iowa several times in the past year and I'm not running for President. Seriously though, he is the vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. It is part of his job. At that, he has been to most States with Republican Senators. In Iowa's case, he was there with Charles Grassley. Cruz and Grassley have been working closely on bills to protect the 2nd Amendment. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill  So yea, he would go there if he was working with the Senator from Iowa.

AB you are letting facts get in the way..... donchaknow....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 24, 2013, 11:43:39 pm
Well, I don't care what Cruz's motives are..he is saying and doing something...saying what all of us feel..

Right on Myst! A stark contrast to the "wait until next year" BS I've been hearing for 40 years from elected republicans!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 11:47:09 pm
AB you are letting facts get in the way

He's not the only one but this guy Sinkspur seems either oblivious or totally impervious to them.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:48:02 pm
And once again you intentionally miss the point...it is not that Cruz is a Reagan it is that you can advance a cause by losing with principle and a consistent voice. History is replete with examples in many fields.  I will not burden you with any more examples that you can twist in your personal anger at this particular Republican Senator.

 :pondering:  :pondering: :pondering: I am old enough to remember the media of the day saying Reagan was embarrassing himself staying in his first presidential race because he kept losing, kept losing and then losing some more  - state after state (In those days it took more than Iowa and NH to annoint the candidate)...... then a funny thing happened, he started to win... and win big. See people suddenly noticed this upstart and liked what they saw... ended up winning so many electorial votes the GOPe of the day had to give him a major speaking role in the convention... the next time he ran he went all the way...... but he started it all with people laughing at him and saying an actor didn't stand a chance in hell of being elected President of the USA.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:48:41 pm
AB you are letting facts get in the way

He's not the only one but this guy Sinkspur seems either oblivious or totally impervious to them.

~LOL~ I was teasing AB.. I left off the /s tag... 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 24, 2013, 11:49:52 pm
~LOL~ I was teasing AB.. I left off the /s tag...

:)

Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:51:16 pm
@BenHowe 27m

@AustenWhipple Republican Party is a club. Conservatism is a way of thinking. I'm not committed to a club. @Hirkala26 @RagCon @GayPatriot
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 11:52:01 pm
They made fun of Reagan's preference for jelly beans. Called him a B rated movie star. If he opened his mouth, he was trashed by the democrats and media. Even so, Reagan carried 49 of the 50 states.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:54:00 pm
Rand Paul is taking twitter questions for Senator Cruz right now... so I guess Paul will return to the floor at some point.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:54:01 pm
bbl I can't sit in this chair any longer I am getting sore

be nice :whistle:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:54:38 pm
They made fun of Reagan's preference for jelly beans. Called him a B rated movie star. If he opened his mouth, he was trashed by the democrats and media. Even so, Reagan carried 49 of the 50 states.

Yep... and the GOPe never forgave him for it....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: alicewonders on September 24, 2013, 11:55:15 pm
McConnell I hope is history...can't tell me the good people of Kentucky want this boondoggle called Obamacare.

He won't be getting THIS Kentuckian's vote!   **nononono*
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 11:55:52 pm
bbl I can't sit in this chair any longer I am getting sore

be nice :whistle:

I guess you are sore. I'm getting sore, and I didn't just have surgery. Go rest. We'll be good.  :0001:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2013, 11:56:08 pm
Cruz said Obamacare is a wealth transfer program from healthy young people to others who are not as healthy. He said lawmakers looked at young people and "licked their chops" and emphasized that one could not design a law that would hurt young people as much as Obamacare if lawmakers deliberately tried.

Update: Cruz Speaks Fluently About Football

In discussing all of the establishments and universities that are cutting hours because of Obamacare, Cruz read that the University of Alabama is capping work hours for students at 20. He kidded that that "may be justifiable punishment for their having beaten Texas A&M," but "it is still not good for students who would like to work more than 20 hours a week." Earlier, Cruz said he hated the Pittsburgh Steelers because the "Steel Curtain" teams would pound his Houston Oilers, led by Earl Campbell, while Cruz was a child in Texas during the 1970s.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 24, 2013, 11:56:16 pm
~LOL~ I was teasing AB.. I left off the /s tag...

Oh, I got that, but it was AbaraXas who gave lie to the allegation Cruz has less experience than Obama for being President and who provided the rationale for any trips Cruz has made to IA, among other things. Meanwhile Sinkspur ignores it all and continues to indulge in his talking points.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:57:16 pm
He and Mike Lee both must have pretty much photographic memories... Lee was quoting the Federalist papers without any props word for word.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 24, 2013, 11:57:44 pm
~LOL~ I was teasing AB.. I left off the /s tag...

Oh, I got that, but it was AbaraXas who gave lie to the allegation Cruz has less experience than Obama for being President and who provided the rationale for any trips Cruz has made to IA, among other things. Meanwhile Sinkspur ignores it all and continues to indulge in his talking points.

Heck, Obummer still doesn't have any experience at being president. I reckon he never will.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 24, 2013, 11:58:49 pm
~LOL~ I was teasing AB.. I left off the /s tag...

Oh, I got that, but it was AbaraXas who gave lie to the allegation Cruz has less experience than Obama for being President and who provided the rationale for any trips Cruz has made to IA, among other things. Meanwhile Sinkspur ignores it all and continues to indulge in his talking points.

If I am reading what you wrote here correctly - and it is possible I'm not - AB actually listed all of Cruz's accomplishments in toto and praised him in response to another post up thread....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 25, 2013, 12:00:13 am
bbl I can't sit in this chair any longer I am getting sore

be nice :whistle:

I'll keep an eye on 'em myst! 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 25, 2013, 12:01:07 am
They made fun of Reagan's preference for jelly beans. Called him a B rated movie star. If he opened his mouth, he was trashed by the democrats and media. Even so, Reagan carried 49 of the 50 states.

Ronald Reagan was a two-term governor of the largest state in the union.  Cruz has been a government lawyer, a government bureaucrat, and a  toady to Donald Rumsfeld.

Surely you're not comparing the two.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:03:04 am
Quote
@SenRandPaul @SenTedCruz #Obamacare software requirements are putting small health providers out of business $30K required software.

I've seen this happen locally. Several small home healthcare providers (2-3 person operations) had to close their doors because they couldn't afford the software Obamacare requires (as well as other regulations).  It isn't just 'Big Insurance' who wants this to stay because they are getting a monopoly, but there are a couple of software companies are pimping for it because they are getting a monopoly on the required software with little to no competition.

There has been a move here among some of those affected to have this investigated. There is a lot of fraud going on and requiring small mom and pop operations to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of software from the or go out of business is tantamount to extortion.

The government and those empowering them are as bad as a mafia shakedown.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:04:41 am


The government and those empowering them are as bad as a mafia shakedown.

Exactly what this is. Some will get rich because they are designing and selling the software and they don't care if the nation goes to hell in a handbasket as long as they get their green.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:06:28 am
Exactly what this is. Some will get rich because they are designing and selling the software and they don't care if the nation goes to hell in a handbasket as long as they get their green.

It is the same reason some of the big Insurance companies and corporate hospitals support it. They are guaranteed more revenue. In the insurance case, people will be required to buy their product and they can jack up the rates to make people pay up to 10% of their salary to them (ACA 'limit' on premiums actually gives a lot of room to increase what they charge).
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 25, 2013, 12:10:00 am
Exactly what this is. Some will get rich because they are designing and selling the software and they don't care if the nation goes to hell in a handbasket as long as they get their green.

So a health industry software provider should forego developing software as a political statement?

I thought we conservatives were about the freedom of the marketplace.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:11:11 am
So a health industry software provider should forego developing software as a political statement?

I thought we conservatives were about the freedom of the marketplace.

There is freedom and their is cronism.....  but you know that.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:14:17 am
@GovernorPerry: Washington, Listen to @SenTedCruz! #MakeDCListen"
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: famousdayandyear on September 25, 2013, 12:14:34 am
Sen Mike Enzi is making a great point about addressing individual appropriations which did not happen--again; ergo another massive CR
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:15:24 am
Hopefully this means we have Enzi.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:16:49 am
So a health industry software provider should forego developing software as a political statement?

I thought we conservatives were about the freedom of the marketplace.

They should have the same rules applied to them that all companies do regarding monopolies and cronyism. The healthcare software industry should be free to offer a lot of alternatives and compete with each other for customers. Instead, they, through their lobbyists, got Obamacare to create requirements that prevent competition and require purchase of just their product to be compliant.

That is corruption and almost criminal, not a free marketplace.

Speaking of which, I was looking through some old messages and the good news is one of the local State Senators in Texas is going to start looking into this. Especially the tactic of 'buy it or else' that is being presented to these health care providers.

This one is kind of personal because an aunt in Dallas is impacted by this. She is still in business but had to cut staff sell off a lot of assets just to meet the compliance requirements. Her business was very low profit, mostly working with mentally challenged individuals. It is businesses like hers that are being destroyed by this corruption.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:17:18 am
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/23/hannity-says-cruz-like-reagan-reagan-wasnt-loved-at-the-time-called-extreme/

Hannity says Cruz like Reagan: ‘Reagan wasn’t loved at the time,’ called ‘extreme’

Posted By Jeff Poor On 5:10 PM 09/23/2013


Conservative commentator Sean Hannity hears echoes of opposition to Ronald Reagan in the way Republican opponents are apparently waging a stealth campaign against Sen. Ted Cruz.

On last weekend’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday,” anchor Chris Wallace revealed he had received opposition research on Texas Republican Cruz, not from Democrats but from fellow Republicans.

On his Monday radio program, conservative commentator Sean Hannity called that “deeply unwise.” But he also said it was reminiscent of the situation faced by the late President Reagan, who faced similar opposition during his first bid for the Republican nomination in 1976.

“I’ll give you another lesson we can learn — Republicans will have their differences on tactics ,” Hannity said. “It is deeply unwise … to elevate those differences to the point of turning this into a civil war. And to think — Ted Cruz reminds me a little bit of Reagan in this sense. Reagan was despised when he challenged the sitting president, Gerald Ford for the nomination in 1976, despised. But he did lay the foundation to win the election in 1980. Every Republican loves Reagan, but he wasn’t loved at the time. He was called extreme by fellow Republicans. You know, we can have spirited arguments here, but this attack is awful.”

Shortly thereafter on his radio program, Hannity speculated on the motivations behind these anti-Cruz gestures, saying it appeared to him that Cruz’s fellow Republicans were more interested in maintaining power than with fulfilling campaign promises.

“[L]ook, here’s just a fact, and I understand — I’m not a Republican,” Hannity said. “I’m a conservative. And they are unfortunately — both parties are guilty of this, most of them care about their power. They like being called ‘Senator.’ They like being called ‘Congressman,’ ‘Governor’ and unfortunately they forget what it means to serve you. They forget campaign promises. They’re only words. They don’t come from the heart. They’re not backed by commitment and real action. What Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Marco [Rubio] are doing here is they are calling on the better side of Republicans to be a bold contrasting party, whether they rise to the occasion — they did in the House last Friday. They didn’t do it the week before. We’ll see.”

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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:18:28 am
Hannity remembers it exactly as I remember it from the day....... this is absolutely accurate:

Quote
Ted Cruz reminds me a little bit of Reagan in this sense. Reagan was despised when he challenged the sitting president, Gerald Ford for the nomination in 1976, despised. But he did lay the foundation to win the election in 1980. Every Republican loves Reagan, but he wasn’t loved at the time. He was called extreme by fellow Republicans
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: SlapLeather on September 25, 2013, 12:24:06 am
Mark Levin explains this fairly succinctly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_wCbiQ10sE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHo_huYggOM
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:27:43 am
Sarah Palin is going to be on Hannity to discuss this tonight.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:27:45 am
Senator Cruz should have the entire 20K pages of Obamacare wheeled in and start reading it.

(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/03/11/obamacare_stack.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:28:19 am
Yep........... he should
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:29:41 am
 ‏@GovMatt 1m

Sen Enzi: Why wouldn't' Obama want to be covered by Obamacare? It's named after him!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:30:18 am
@_HughBris 2m

Obamacare is the Biggest piece of Special Interest Legislation ever. It's time to #DefundObamacare,
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 25, 2013, 12:30:53 am
There is freedom and their is cronism.....  but you know that.

Of course.   Any business involvement you don't like is "cronyism."
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:31:47 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU99ZHtCIAAvUyC.png:large)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 25, 2013, 12:31:56 am
Well, I don't care what Cruz's motives are..he is saying and doing something...saying what all of us feel..

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:34:02 am
Senator Cruz should have the entire 20K pages of Obamacare wheeled in and start reading it.

(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/03/11/obamacare_stack.jpg)

I just had a thought. I will need to look it up but I believe the Government has a service to provide printed copies of all laws and bills for a small fee (around $15 if memory serves me correct).  It may be worth choking up the system to get thousands of people ordering hard copies of that monstrosity.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 12:34:43 am
Hannity remembers it exactly as I remember it from the day....... this is absolutely accurate:

If they are honest, they all remember it like Hannity said, unless they were in a coma.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:35:37 am
Of course.   Any business involvement you don't like is "cronyism."

I don't care how much money you make as long as my tax dollars are not paying for it and I don't get substandard medical care because of it.... when the government gets involved then we get both.. taxpayers subsidy and substandard... while a "few" get very rich from it.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 25, 2013, 12:37:58 am
Quote
Sen Enzi: Why wouldn't' Obama want to be covered by Obamacare? It's named after him!
  :silly:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: SlapLeather on September 25, 2013, 12:41:36 am
Of course.   Any business involvement you don't like is "cronyism."

Embrace meritocracy. It's practice and principles are superior.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 12:43:33 am
Senator Inhofe pointing out just last weekend Harry Reid stated he ABSOLUTELY plans for Obamacare to become a SINGLE PAYER system.. Reid when asked said:  Absolutely - let me repeat absolutely that is the plan.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:46:21 am
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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 25, 2013, 12:56:17 am
Embrace meritocracy. It's practice and principles are superior.

I embrace meritocracy.  But it is common practice in the public sector to standardize on a single hardware/software platform.  The company with the best proposal wins the business.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 01:02:34 am
I embrace meritocracy.  But it is common practice in the public sector to standardize on a single hardware/software platform.  The company with the best proposal wins the business.

You don't work in the government acquisition business do you?  It has nothing to do with the 'best' proposal any longer. It is who has the right lobbyists and fills out the right demographic boxes in GSA form SF1449.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: SlapLeather on September 25, 2013, 01:17:46 am
I embrace meritocracy.  But it is common practice in the public sector to standardize on a single hardware/software platform.  The company with the best proposal wins the business.
 

That's too bad. In fact, it will be a failing cycle. 

The Company with the best PRODUCT should win the business.  Anything less would be embracing mediocracy.

The standardized common practice of cronyism in the Public Sector is the cause of failure. 
The standardized common practice of competitiveness in the Private Sector is a winner.

Why subsidize a failure?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 01:51:24 am
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/poll/do-you-support-ted-cruz-on-this-or-not-click-read-and-vote/


9/24/13 at 3:26 pm
Do you support Ted Cruz on this or not? Click, read and vote
Cruz

I support him and hope he keeps talking  92.72%  (2,903 votes) 
 
He should stop doing it  7.28%  (228 votes) 
 
 
Total Votes: 3,131
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Oceander on September 25, 2013, 01:55:09 am
You don't work in the government acquisition business do you?  It has nothing to do with the 'best' proposal any longer. It is who has the right lobbyists and fills out the right demographic boxes in GSA form SF1449.

And who hired most recently from the revolving door of the agency(ies) involved, or who most recently had one of their employees/officers/partners hired to a position of influence in the agency involved.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 01:58:44 am
That little debate with Dick Durbin was great.... as in it wasn't even a contest and Durbin sort of slunk away rather than answer the questions Cruz asked of him.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 02:02:30 am
That little debate with Dick Durbin was great.... as in it wasn't even a contest and Durbin sort of slunk away rather than answer the questions Cruz asked of him.

I missed it. Bummer
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 02:08:55 am
I missed it. Bummer

Durbin read a letter from someone named "Judy" (guess Dems have a thing for Judy's) which Cruz replied to and then Durbin came back with so does the GOP want to do away with things like insurance to age 26, no one being turned away for asthma, mental illness, etc... and Cruz responded that even congress hated it so much the Democrats met with Obama and got it taken away for congress and their staff... now THAT got Durbin's panties in a real twist and he actually tried to deny it and said they were all going to be in the exchanges .. Cruz then zeroed in on him and leveled him with both barrels - with a smile  and respect - and Durbin literall slunk off and did not return.. What Durbin succeeded in doing was shining a light on Congress getting special treatment. Cruz told him if the entire country has to do this thing then EVERYONE should have to do it and EVERYONE should be in the same boat and they are not, that once again Congress gets a special deal no one else gets...

it was a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 02:10:44 am
@SenTedCruz daughters as he reads them Green Eggs & Ham. #MakeDCListen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU-C9ZCCcAA-p-x.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: sinkspur on September 25, 2013, 02:13:42 am
You don't work in the government acquisition business do you?  It has nothing to do with the 'best' proposal any longer. It is who has the right lobbyists and fills out the right demographic boxes in GSA form SF1449.

Uh huh. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 25, 2013, 02:56:45 am
(http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/winthroproberts/obamacare-map_zps167d2a67.jpg) (http://s1058.photobucket.com/user/winthroproberts/media/obamacare-map_zps167d2a67.jpg.html)

This thing is going to be a disaster and the only reason the Dems are supporting it is because to repeal would be a major embarrassment for Obama. Otherwise to hell with the American people.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:01:59 am
@SenTedCruz daughters as he reads them Green Eggs & Ham. #MakeDCListen

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU-C9ZCCcAA-p-x.jpg)

      Theresa Benson


 I do not like this Uncle Sam,
 I do not like his health care scam.
 I do not like these dirty crooks,
 or how they lie and cook the books!!
 I do not like when Congress steals,
 I do not like their secret deals.
 I do not like this speaker, Nan,
 I do not like this, 'YES WE CAN'!!
 I do not like this spending spree,
 I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.
 I do not like their smug replies,
 when I complain about their lies.
 I do not like this kind of hope,
 I do not like it, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:03:57 am
~LOL~ that is great!

BTW is Patrick Leahy having to sit through this or did he have someone else sit in his place as president pro tempore?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:08:44 am
Interesting exchange going on right now between Cruz and Kain of VA
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 03:12:39 am
Interesting exchange going on right now between Cruz and Kain of VA

Kain is handing Cruz gift wrapped packages with those questions. Is Kain coming around?  He is leading Cruz to alternative and more logical proposals.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Atomic Cow on September 25, 2013, 03:14:18 am
BTW is Patrick Leahy having to sit through this or did he have someone else sit in his place as president pro tempore?

He can select someone else just like in the House the Speaker rarely is the one behind the gavel.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 25, 2013, 03:34:12 am
Definitely a clever adaptation of "Green Eggs & Ham" (post #164) and those two little girls look adorable.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:37:02 am
Kain is handing Cruz gift wrapped packages with those questions. Is Kain coming around?  He is leading Cruz to alternative and more logical proposals.

AB I received a phone call and missed way too much of the exchange.  It was on mute and looked like it went on for quite some time. 
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:40:36 am
 ‏@glennbeck 9m

.@SenTedCruz is making my 4 hours of broadcasting a day look easy! #StandWithCruz against Obamacare. #MakeDCListen http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/24/ted-cruz-begins-anti-obamacare-speech-on-senate-floor-i-will-speak-until-i-am-no-longer-able-to-stand/ … SJ
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:41:14 am
National Review ‏@NROcorner 13m

Sounds like Sen. Kaine (D) is looking for a way out if his support for Obamacare. #Cruz response was very strong
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:41:55 am
@NROcorner @BoSnerdley Cruz' response was beautiful...almost poetic. Kaine seemed to be wavering.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:43:32 am
@TeaPartyExpress 56m

Hour 8 of @TedCruz speaking on the Senate Floor for millions of American's whose Senators have apparently lost their backbones #MakeDCListen
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:44:27 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP1aINcCEAExC0Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:46:02 am
@glennbeck 2m

Cruz reading tweets from #makedclisten. BEST: if it is bad for congress Americans should not be forced to have it. I WANT MY 40 hours!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:59:08 am
Cruz is doing a fantastic job. I think he will change a lot of minds. I wonder how McLame and Grahamnasty will take it?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 04:41:42 am
James Williams Jr ‏@right_wing_terp  1m 
@SenMikeLee: #Obamacare originated not as a house bill but across the street in the halls of #SCOTUS Insult to the Constitution #KeepCruzing




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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 04:44:57 am
James Williams Jr ‏@right_wing_terp  28s 
@SenMikeLee "Supreme Court rewrote #Obamacare twice to save it. This is NOT constitutional, this is NOT American" #KeepCruzing #MakeDCListen




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Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 06:59:31 am
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 17m

Passing 12-hour mark, Sen. Lee gives extended analysis of Wickard v. Filburn. Not your old-fashioned, phone-book-reading filibuster.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:00:20 am
I can't believe how much knowledge Mike Lee has and doesn't need a teleprompter to back him up... the man is a walking legal encyclopedia.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:01:17 am
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 5m

A long, unstructured talk reveals much about what a lawmaker knows. Mike Lee has been very impressive--at nearly 3am.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:04:03 am
 :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:  now they are discussing things like what color is the black box, how long did the 100 year war last, what is a camels hair brush made from, etc...  :silly: :silly:  these two are truly amazing...    what color is a purple finch....
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:06:01 am
~LOL~ Canary Islands are named after a dog. 


Amazing what you learn when you stay up all night
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:07:42 am
Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin 1m

.@SenTedCruz back. Fun colloquy w/ @SenMikeLee about things not what they seem: 100yrs war was 116yrs...Chinese gooseberries from N Zealand.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:08:27 am
Bo Snerdley ‏@BoSnerdley 5m

"I thank my friend from Utah for his remarkable discourse on constitutional law" - Sen. Cruz. That is an understatement. AWESOME Sen. Lee.
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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:08:48 am
victoria_29 ‏@victoria_29 3m

LMAO love @tedcruz and @mikelee trivia
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:12:35 am
Matthew ‏@Matthops82 2m

Note to self: Don't ever play Trivial Pursuit with @SenTedCruz.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:13:28 am
Norsu ‏@Norsu2 48s

MT @NewCongress4NE: this fillibuster is awesome. We're learning more about Consititution now then we did in school. #MakeDCListen #magop
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:20:13 am
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/24/chris-matthews-loses-it-over-ted-cruzs-anti-obamacare-senate-speech-he-is-a-problem-for-our-republic/

Chris Matthews Loses It Over Ted Cruz’s Anti-Obamacare Senate Speech: ‘He Is a Problem For Our Republic’

Sep. 24, 2013 11:30pm Jason Howerton


MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Tuesday ripped Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) over his hours-long anti-Obamacare speech on the Senate floor, part of a gutsy attempt to prevent Democrats from restoring the funds to the health care law that the House voted to remove.
Chris Matthews Loses It Over Ted Cruzs Anti Obamacare Senate Speech: He Is a Problem For Our Republic

Matthews said Cruz is not a “legislator” or trying to “change government the way its formulated and carried out.”

“He is a problem for our Republic,” the host later declared.

Matthews also went after Cruz for questioning Chuck Hagel’s foreign ties in a “Joe McCarthy fashion” during his confirmation hearing.

“He has contempt for the American political system. He is not a member of any political party that I can tell,” he said. “His behavior has been totally and utterly destructive.”

Americans have not learned a “single thing about Obamacare” because of Ted Cruz, he added. “He doesn’t teach, he is a demagogue.”

After listening to Matthews and his panel fume about Cruz and his “antics,” it’s pretty clear the Texas Republican has struck a nerve.

Watch the clip via MSNBC below:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 07:30:34 am
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 1m

MT @anncoulter: Amazing. I can't think of two other Sens who could engage in such high-level discussion at any time, much less after 13 hrs.


 ‏@AnnCoulter 3m

And more articulate than McCain on a good night's sleep. RT @anniezyu Wow 12 hrs?! #MakeDCListen #DefundObamacare #StandWithCruz
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: famousdayandyear on September 25, 2013, 08:38:04 am
Fell asleep for a few hours; tuned in--and lo and behold--he's going strong:  0437 AM
What a guy!
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 12:10:57 pm
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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 12:40:19 pm
UPDATE: Palin Watching Filibuster from Alaska: 'We Can Hear You All the Way in Wasilla.'


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Sarah Palin        ✔ @SarahPalinUSA

Ted & Mike going strong for over 10hrs. We can hear you all the way in Wasilla. DC better be listening! #MakeDCListen pic.twitter.com/dZBhHVXR29
1:29 AM - 25 Sep 2013
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Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 12:42:18 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/24/Cruz-Filibusters-I-Intend-to-Speak-in-Support-of-Defunding-Obamacare-Until-I-Am-No-Longer-Able-to-Stand (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/24/Cruz-Filibusters-I-Intend-to-Speak-in-Support-of-Defunding-Obamacare-Until-I-Am-No-Longer-Able-to-Stand)

Update: Morning Joe and his panel hurled contempt at Ted Cruz all morning; this included Joe, Mika, Chuck Todd, the Daily Caller's Matt Lewis, David Gregory, Cokie Roberts, and Chris Matthews.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 12:43:24 pm
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2DB81E47-47FA-4176-8156-547FD27D934B (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2DB81E47-47FA-4176-8156-547FD27D934B)

 Sarah Palin to Ted Cruz: Read ACA on the floor
By: Lucy McCalmont
September 25, 2013 06:59 AM EDT

As Sen. Ted Cruz continues his marathon talk on the Senate floor, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said “he can always just read the Obamacare bill itself.”

“Hey, you know if Ted Cruz runs out of material there to speak of in this filibuster of his he can always just read the Obamacare bill itself, because I bet you no one else there on the Senate floor has actually read it,” Palin said Tuesday on Fox News’s “Hannity.”

“If he would read it though, then perhaps Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) she’d be watching the C-SPAN station there and she’d be able to say, ‘Oh, that is what is in it,” Palin said.

Palin also came prepared with props, comparing a Bible to the Obamacare bill, which has a reported 20,000 pages of regulations.

“You know, this Bible, and its large font and it’s full of commentary, this Bible itself is only 1,600 pages, can you imagine 20,000 pages of bureaucracy, of a boot on your neck bureaucracy, like Obamacare, that nobody’s read?” she said.

“No one could survive reading it that long, governor,” Fox host, Sean Hannity said. “God help him, he’ll be there for the rest of his life.”

Cruz (R-Texas), who took to the Senate floor Tuesday afternoon, has already turned to Dr. Seuss, reading “Green Eggs and Ham” to his daughters as they were put to bed.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Bigun on September 25, 2013, 01:00:05 pm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/24/chris-matthews-loses-it-over-ted-cruzs-anti-obamacare-senate-speech-he-is-a-problem-for-our-republic/

Chris Matthews Loses It Over Ted Cruz’s Anti-Obamacare Senate Speech: ‘He Is a Problem For Our Republic’

Sep. 24, 2013 11:30pm Jason Howerton


MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Tuesday ripped Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) over his hours-long anti-Obamacare speech on the Senate floor, part of a gutsy attempt to prevent Democrats from restoring the funds to the health care law that the House voted to remove.
Chris Matthews Loses It Over Ted Cruzs Anti Obamacare Senate Speech: He Is a Problem For Our Republic

Matthews said Cruz is not a “legislator” or trying to “change government the way its formulated and carried out.”

“He is a problem for our Republic,” the host later declared.

Matthews also went after Cruz for questioning Chuck Hagel’s foreign ties in a “Joe McCarthy fashion” during his confirmation hearing.

“He has contempt for the American political system. He is not a member of any political party that I can tell,” he said. “His behavior has been totally and utterly destructive.”

Americans have not learned a “single thing about Obamacare” because of Ted Cruz, he added. “He doesn’t teach, he is a demagogue.”

After listening to Matthews and his panel fume about Cruz and his “antics,” it’s pretty clear the Texas Republican has struck a nerve.

Watch the clip via MSNBC below:

Anything that upsets Matthews to this degree must be a REALLY good thing!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 01:03:22 pm
Update: Sen. Paul suggests President Obama go on the ObamaCare exchange, and that at today's briefing some reporter ask if Obama is willing to go on the exchange. "Mr. President, if it such a good idea, why don't you get it?"

Paul is referencing the hundreds of thousands of workers who have lost their health insurance after the costs of ObamaCare forced employers to choose the fines of not insuring over the cost of Obama's mandated health plans. As a result, Walgreens alone dumped 180,000 into the exchanges.



Update: At 8:41am ET, Cruz officially hit the 18 hour mark.  Somehow he looks as fresh as he did at 2:41pm yesterday.

Update: Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) is mocking ObamaCare for being so bad the administration can't give it away for free. He is also laying out how businesses can game the system to get an advantage over the competition by dumping employees on to the exchanges or not hiring more than 49 employees.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 01:04:09 pm
Update: ABC News' Political Director Rick Klein pretends he doesn't understand the point about putting President Obama on the ObamaCare exchanges his health care act has forced so many on to.

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Rick Klein        ✔ @rickklein

to Cruz/Paul point, Obamacare was always designed to provide coverage to those who don't have it, not replace for those who do, no?
7:49 AM - 25 Sep 2013

This is Klein hoping to appeal to and convince low-information voters that Paul and Cruz are spouting nonsense. Klein knows the point is a good one and rather than share it, he acts obtuse in order to dismiss it. 
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: alicewonders on September 25, 2013, 01:11:37 pm
So Cruz is still speaking?  AMAZING!!!

 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 25, 2013, 01:47:38 pm
So Sorry! I'm hungry and not thinking. Anyway, you are a good person.

Just saw this happyg!   Thanks.  :beer:

As for Senator Cruz and others... epic effort!  The post game analysis in the coming days will be interesting.  I do not mean that cynically.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 01:49:28 pm
Update: CNN's Carol Costello and  Dana Bash are giggling like mean sorority girls over the empty Senate chamber.

Update: Citing Ayn Rand, Cruz rip the media for focusing on personalities instead of ideas.

In other news...

CNN's Dana Bash is now mocking Cruz for talking about Star Wars and Ashton Kutcher.

MSNBC's Chuck Todd is focusing on Cruz's Star Wars comments and White Castle references.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Lando Lincoln on September 25, 2013, 02:07:10 pm
I post this for no specific reason related to what is going on on the Senate floor at the moment.  But, it is germaine to the larger issue(s), I think.

What is a "Three Percenter"?

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 03:32:36 pm
Update: Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) is now speaking to challenge some of Rubio's claims about effect ObamaCare is having on the working poor."If someone has fewer choices of doctors but has health insurance, isn't that better than having no health insurance?"

Ted Cruz agrees that there should be reforms to address the uninsured but free market reforms, such as allowing companies to sell insurance over state lines.

Update: Cruz is asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to come out on the floor to listen to a "unanimous consent" request.

Update: At the top of the hour, CNN refused to air any portion of Cruz's speech that was about ideas. In a 90-second montage, CNN aired only his lighter pop culture comments. Dana Bash described the comments as "fun" and "weird."

Update: Rubio is fired up. After reading letters from everyday victims of ObamaCare, he reads nightmare ObamaCare statistics and facts written in a "conservative, right-wing newspaper" called the New York Times.

Update: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) has joined Cruz to talk about those who have lost their employer-based health insurance due to ObamaCare.

Update: By hitting the twenty-hour mark, Cruz has given the fourth longest speech in the history of the Senate.

Update: At 10:41am ET, Cruz concluded hour twenty of his stand against ObamaCare.

Update: Cruz says his "end game" is the "American people."

Cruz just made the point that a media that intentionally plays dumb will not. Cruz knows he cannot stop ObamaCare ... this week. But that was never his end game. His end game is to eventually win by keeping the debate going and to make sure ObamaCare is never considered a settled piece of law.

This is how the left wins; they never quit, never give up, never accept.

This is also why the left/media hate Cruz: they know he is using their tactics, and doing so effectively. They know he is playing the long game. They also see him as a traitor: regardless of party, a Harvard/Princeton man is supposed to play along and suck up to power, not fight power.

Update: According to C-Span, ten Senators have joined Crux throughout his speech, including two Democrats.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:36:12 pm
I dozed off around 2:30. Dang it. I left the tv on, so in and out of sleep I could watch him. What men he and Mike Lee are.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:41:47 pm
Cruz is giving Reid a talking down! Love it! Cruz is in charge, and Reid hates not having the power to stop him. Cruz, in effect, told Reid where he could go.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:44:39 pm
Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin  1m 
Reid wanted @SenTedCruz to yield to McCain. Cruz would not play that. #MakeDCListen




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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:46:48 pm
Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin  1m 
Reid wanted @SenTedCruz to yield to McCain. Cruz would not play that. #MakeDCListen




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Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:47:41 pm
Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin  2h 
Inhofe noting on Senate floor that Obamacare peddlers are placing robocalls posing as #teaparty #KeepCruzing




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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 25, 2013, 03:48:07 pm
Cruz is giving Reid a talking down! Love it! Cruz is in charge, and Reid hates not having the power to stop him. Cruz, in effect, told Reid where he could go. 

It was a moment of true beauty!!  Bless you Senator Cruz  :patriot:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:48:33 pm
Chaconas ‏@HarryChaconas  55s 
If the allegiance between @SenJohnMcCain and the Democrats wasn't apparent to you before, it better be now! #KeepCruzing #WeWillNotYield




Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: R4 TrumPence on September 25, 2013, 03:49:38 pm
This is so awesome, I hate it is almost over!! This Guy is freakin fantastic!!! I love these young guys!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:50:28 pm
 Schulzke ‏@hschulzk  43s 
Reid calls on @SenJohnMcCain for support. That's an indictment of McCain. The lines are drawn. I'm with Cruz, Paul, and Lee. #keepcruzing

Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:51:25 pm
Sandra Jane ‏@janevonmises  56s 
.@TedCruz to Congress: You don't listen to the people who sent you here and no wonder they think you SUCK! #KeepCruzing




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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 03:51:36 pm
I can't believe he's still on his feet... I fell asleep at two a.m. watching he and Lee.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:52:36 pm
Todd Scott ‏@trscott61  44s 
@SenTedCruz when time expires move out into Rotunda & CONTINUE ON!  We'll be listening! #KeepCruzing




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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 25, 2013, 03:53:56 pm
 
Schulzke ‏@hschulzk  43s 
Reid calls on @SenJohnMcCain for support. That's an indictment of McCain. The lines are drawn. I'm with Cruz, Paul, and Lee. #keepcruzing

 :amen:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
Jonathan Arneault ‏@arneault  16s 
"Pres Obama has granted exceptions ILLEGALLY" - BOOM! #KeepCruzing



   
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 03:59:36 pm
Genevieve Thompson ‏@vahoogrl  32s 
You know the progressives are going nuts with Cruz's talk of prayer #MakeDCListen #KeepCruzing




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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:01:16 pm
Bo Snerdley ‏@BoSnerdley 47s

Senator Cruz- you have a Standing O from the American people who understand what this new entitlement does to the economy and nat. spirit.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:01:49 pm
MATT DRUDGE ‏@DRUDGE 41s

Reid coming in was like the grim reaper... Back to reality...
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:02:50 pm
Alex Pappas ‏@AlexPappas 42s

And Ted Cruz is done. Big crowd of reporters waiting on him outside Senate floor.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 25, 2013, 04:03:04 pm
Bo Snerdley ‏@BoSnerdley 47s

Senator Cruz- you have a Standing O from the American people who understand what this new entitlement does to the economy and nat. spirit.

You're an amazing inspiration!  Thank you Senator Cruz, and team!!!


 :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:04:27 pm
Guy Benson ‏@guypbenson 8s

Reid: So, that was a waste of time
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:04:52 pm
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 38s

Reid: Cruz talkathon was 'a big waste of time.'
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 04:06:11 pm
Amazing ... I live this man.  BTW in the middle if the night the stories he told about his father ... I wish everyone here could hear what he shared.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 04:21:33 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 04:23:29 pm
(http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/cruz_filli_singlemoms_300.jpg)


 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 04:26:28 pm
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 38s

Reid: Cruz talkathon was 'a big waste of time.'

And yet everyone is talking about it and he has about 21 hours of sound bytes. Even Reid is talking about it so it must have been worth the time to him.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:27:33 pm
Cruz will be on Rush today..

Rush Limbaugh
Rush returns to the airwaves today, and will be joined by Senator Ted Cruz at the top of Hour 2, 1PM Eastern Time.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: mystery-ak on September 25, 2013, 04:31:19 pm
Lou Dobbs ‏@loudobbsnews 47m

Sen. Cruz Demonstrating True Leadership! Wake Up Republicans! Your and our future may hang in the balance!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 25, 2013, 04:47:06 pm
Reid: Cruz talkathon was 'a big waste of time.'

It is never a "waste of time" when you stand up for what is right.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: ABX on September 25, 2013, 04:59:00 pm
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The Briefing Room ‏@GOPBriefingRoom 13s

@SenatorDurbin is talking about @SenJohnMcCain like he is a special needs child who got his feelings hurt and McCain is lapping it up. #TCOT
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: jmyrlefuller on September 25, 2013, 05:09:20 pm
Byron York ‏@ByronYork 38s

Reid: Cruz talkathon was 'a big waste of time.'
Says the man who has wasted three years blocking this legislation. He should know.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 05:11:38 pm
Cruz got millions of tweets, more than any tweets ever. The media might have blacked him out, but the people stayed with him throughout.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 05:34:36 pm
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Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 05:42:22 pm
Flake appears totally incapable of being his own man.  Kyl would have supported the no voters.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: happyg on September 25, 2013, 05:48:32 pm
I fear a few of the republicans will vote against Cruz, rather than the bill. They don't like a young upstart getting the best of them.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Cincinnatus on September 25, 2013, 05:49:33 pm
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Cornyn Praises Cruz, but Disagrees on Obamacare Tactics

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As Ted Cruz continued to hold the Senate floor, his senior GOP colleague from Texas was calling in to local radio stations expressing general support for the effort while noting a significant tactical disagreement.

“Ted’s been a great addition to the United States Senate,” Sen. John Cornyn said on KTSA. “He and I were dove hunting in Hondo this weekend together and we both agree that we need to defund and delay and defeat Obamacare to protect the American people.”

But Cornyn, the Republican whip, is in the camp along with Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that plans to support limiting debate on the underlying House-passed continuing resolution, since that measure itself would block funding for the 2010 health care law that Cruz and other senators have spent all night speaking against on the Senate floor.

“I can’t see voting against that bill, which is what we’ve been asking for — for the last six months,” Cornyn said.

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/cornyn-praises-cruz-but-disagrees-on-obamacare-tactics/
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD>>>>>Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
Post by: Rapunzel on September 25, 2013, 06:08:53 pm
BTW Cruz was effusive in his praise of McCain as an American hero and statesman last night.... he is not getting down in the gutter with McCain....