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Proposed ‘buddy dive’ plan to rescue boys trapped in Thai cave could launch this weekend: EXCLUSIVE
By Elizabeth McLaughlin
Morgan Winsor
Jul 7, 2018, 5:21 AM ET
A proposed plan to rescue the boys soccer team trapped in a partly flooded cave in northern Thailand could launch as soon as this weekend, ABC News has learned.
According to an internal U.S. government report obtained by ABC News, the Royal Thai navy, supported by divers from the United Kingdom, the United States and other nations, has briefed Thai military leadership, interior ministry officials and the provincial governor on a proposed operation to evacuate the 12 boys and their coach from the miles-long cave in Chiang Rai province, alongside experienced divers in what is being called a “buddy dive.†Thailand’s prime minister will be briefed on the proposal Saturday morning local time.
Despite the risks, the accelerated timeline would take advantage of the children still having high oxygen levels within the cave complex, their relatively good health and also the fact that this would occur before the heavy rains are forecast to hit the region Sunday, which could raise water levels inside the cave and make a rescue mission even more precarious, according to the document.
A decision timeline was unknown.
more
https://abcnews.go.com/International/proposed-buddy-dive-plan-rescue-boys-trapped-thai/story?id=56414323
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@mystery-ak
I saw a diagram of this cave and there are many very small spaces one has to go through to get out of there. Two people won't fit in those small spaces - even one person has to maneuver his body through those small spaces and it takes hours to get out as the flooded part of the tunnel is so long - 2 and 1/2 miles. One diver has died due to running out of air when he was getting out. I just don't see how those boys can make it out due to the flooded tunnel being so long and so many small spaces - I repeat the flooded part of the tunnel is 2 1/2 miles. My heart just sunk when I saw that - TWO AND ONE HALF MILES OF FLOODED TUNNEL.
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@mystery-ak
I saw a diagram of this cave and there are many very small spaces one has to go through to get out of there. Two people won't fit in those small spaces - even one person has to maneuver his body through those small spaces and it takes hours to get out as the flooded part of the tunnel is so long - 1 and 1/2 miles. One diver has died due to running out of air when he was getting out. I just don't see how those boys can make it out due to the flooded tunnel being so long and so many small spaces - I repeat the flooded part of the tunnel is 1 1/2 miles. My heart just sunk when I saw that - ONE AND ONE HALF MILES OF FLOODED TUNNEL.
I expect that they will need to stash O2 bottles along the route so that no one runs out. They've got bad choices and worse choices. No good choices, and things will get worse the longer they wait.
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To move this to the top for today.
I heard this morning, they have to try to save them today as rains start tomorrow, Sunday. They are also trying to drill down to that space so air and food, meds, can get to them that way.
There is also a big underground cavern associated with that area but a long way from where they are, and they are trying to get a cable through that area and into where they are, to deliver oxygen. I don't know where that stands today.
TV JUST SAID there is a new plan to get them out today - they had interview with a guy who is there and he said there is a new plan but he didn't say what that is.
This reporter said the rain has started as it was raining on him while he was speaking.
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The rain has been such a concern...and it doesn't look like it's going to stop until Oct.
What a scary and difficult situation.
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This story has me weeping.
Those
Poor boys. And their families.
I have mentioned them in the prayer thread
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This group, the boys, rescuers and families are occupying a large space in my heart as well @Freya . I'm am praying for all.
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If the oxygen level in the cave is such a concern have they run a line into where the boys are to supply fresh air? Also I wonder what the possibilities/problems would be in boring a hole down to them as they did with the miners in Chile.
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This story has me weeping.
Those
Poor boys. And their families.
I have mentioned them in the prayer thread
I saw the posted photo before the name of the poster ..... and I knew it just had to be you. ^-^ @Freya
I don't know how these kids and their families are bearing this. If ever there was proof of power in prayer, this would have to be in the top three on the list.
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May God please help.
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I point out!!
Who is assist5ing the Thai's with this heroic rescue?
China? Iran? Russia? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan?
No. THE USA and other Angloshpere nations.
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Fly in powerful pumping equipment and pump out the flooded sections.
Not-so-fearless prediction:
That's the only way they're gettin' out of there alive.
(but hope I'm proven wrong)
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[size=14pthe land is t]If the oxygen level in the cave is such a concern have they run a line into where the boys are to supply fresh air? Also I wonder what the possibilities/problems would be in boring a hole down to them as they did with the miners in Chile.[/size]
From what I have read, depending which one is correct...one story said they tried to get an oxygen line there and couldn't. But another story said they got the line there. So who knows???
Also from what I have read...the land above the cave is a big time jungle...so they can't get a crew there to drill. So who knows? @GtHawk
I read today that conditions were at an optimen to get them out. But then I read that it's raining....so who the he!! knows??
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From what I have read, depending which one is correct...one story said they tried to get an oxygen line there and couldn't. But another story said they got the line there. So who knows???
Also from what I have read...the land above the cave is a big time jungle...so they can't get a crew there to drill. So who knows? @GtHawk
I read today that conditions were at an optimen to get them out. But then I read that it's raining....so who the he!! knows??
@berdie
See, that's the thing, if they had trouble getting in an oxygen line then how the heck would it be possible to put a thirty inch tube in place?
And there are heavy equipment that could clear a path even in jungle.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgPsQIq7_w#)
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The rescue effort has begun. I saw on tonight's news that the rain is starting.
Thai cave rescue: Foreign divers, SEALs begin operation for trapped boys, coach
THAM LUANG CAVE: Thai authorities 13 foreign divers and five SEALs went in at 10am (local time) on Sunday (Jul 8) to rescue a dozen boys and their football coach who have been trapped in Tham Luang cave since Jun 23.
Rescue operation chief Narongsak Osottanakorn said in his latest press conference that each child will be escorted by two divers and the first is expected to arrive at 9pm (local time).
Each child to be escorted by 2 divers. Expected arrival 9pm (TH) earliest. They'll continue to come out one by one. Next update will come after 9pm,m. Evacuation could continue to tmr. Children said they're ready to go home. This is the best time to do it. Support us: Narongsak
— Pichayada P. (@PichayadaCNA) July 8, 2018
He added that they will continue to arrive one by one with evacuation expected to carry on until tomorrow. The next update on the mission will come after 9pm, he said. ...
Channel News Asia (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thailand-cave-rescuers-evacuate-tham-luang-trapped-boys-10509656?cid=TWTcna)
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Go, rescuers, go!
I just got an alert on my phone from CNN wires on this. So happy
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Do you think the world prayed and something good happened?
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Do you think the world prayed and something good happened?
Could just be, @Freya.
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Could just be, @Freya.
Yay G-d! 888heartkitty
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Let's remember 38-year-old retired Thai SEAL Sgt. Major Saman Gunan, who volunteered to deliver oxygen tanks to the trapped party and died doing so.
(https://i.imgur.com/kCsPeZa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KopLqAs.jpg)
More info here: https://abcnews.go.com/International/thai-navy-seal-died-wanting-bring-boys-back/story?id=56409867
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It is 11:38 pm, central time. They have started the operation and the first boy is expected out at 10 am eastern time. I read earlier, they will take out the strongest boy first so he will make it and give the remaining ones psychological strength that they can do it, too.
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Rip, brave man. :patriot:
Sorry wrong flag in emoji. Bless you and your family. A real hero
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It is 11:38 pm, central time. They have started the operation and the first boy is expected out at 10 am eastern time. I read earlier, they will take out the strongest boy first so he will make it and give the remaining ones psychological strength that they can do it, too.
I’ll pray for all these boys, and their coach. I was just about to go to bed and saw this.
Hi @Victoria33 ! â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸
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@Freya, Hi.
I believe this cbs link, where I got that information is updating the survival attempt as it happens but they likely won't know if the divers/kid have trouble when trying to get out as they can't communicate with those outside. Either the divers/kid comes out by 10 am eastern and if they don't show up, something happened when they tried to get out. This is so "iffy" that they will make it out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/thailand-cave-rescue-today-live-updates-2018-07-08/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/thailand-cave-rescue-today-live-updates-2018-07-08/)
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I’m just going to pray and hope for the best like I did with the trapped miners a few years ago.
It’s nice to see my second mom- I’ve been offline
@Victoria33
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🚨Sky news is reporting first two boys rescued are out!
https://news.sky.com/story/live-race-to-save-boys-trapped-in-thai-cave-11428960
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Two, possibly more rescued. This took about nine hours.
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Third boy is out @Freya !
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Hurray!
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Link to live CBS coverage. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video/live-news-coverage-from-cbs-news/ar-BBmYvYY?appwebview=true)
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Six boys are now out. :0001:
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Six boys are now out. :0001:
Holy cow! I’m speechless and beyond happy
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Richard Barrow in Thailand @RichardBarrow
11m11 minutes ago
WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR at 7:40pm
✅ First two boys in the hospital in Chiang Rai
✅ 3rd and 4th boys in the field hospital at Tham Luang
✅ 5th and 6th boys have reached the third chamber in the cave
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Yes, like @Right_in_Virginia said, Reuters is reporting first 6 all out. As I recall, the third chamber is where they're transferred to stretchers for the final part of the journey.
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I wonder if they are trying to bring them all up at the same time?
I do know the coach will be the last to be brought up. Still confused how they got in the cave in the first place.
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Richard Barrow in Thailand @RichardBarrow
11m11 minutes ago
WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR at 7:40pm
✅ First two boys in the hospital in Chiang Rai
✅ 3rd and 4th boys in the field hospital at Tham Luang
✅ 5th and 6th boys have reached the third chamber in the cave
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Yes, like @Right_in_Virginia said, Reuters is reporting first 6 all out. As I recall, the third chamber is where they're transferred to stretchers for the final part of the journey.
Yes, they reach the third chamber, they're out.
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@Victoria33 thank you for keeping this updated. And, @Right_in_Virginia, @Freya.
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(I'm too claustrophobic to even read this .... )
(https://s22.postimg.cc/fq6xhndi9/Dhkf_Cz_IXUAAPEZ2.jpg)
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Oh it was a spelunking trip from hell.
No wonder why the coach blames himself.
@Right_in_Virginia I don’t know if I’m claustrophobic. My biggest fear is being buried alive.
If they stick me in a coffin I want to be an organ donor so I don’t wake up.
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Oh it was a spelunking trip from hell.
No wonder why the coach blames himself.
@Right_in_Virginia I don’t know if I’m claustrophobic. My biggest fear is being buried alive.
If they stick me in a coffin I want to be an organ donor so I don’t wake up.
Thanks for this. I think I'll be checking "yes" to organ donor ... great suggestion! 888high58888
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I wonder if they are trying to bring them all up at the same time?
I do know the coach will be the last to be brought up. Still confused how they got in the cave in the first place.
@Freya
Here is what happened:
This coach does activities with these boys. One of them is to ride bikes together and go exploring after soccer practice. They have been in this cave before, no problem. One way they were found is, all their bikes were found at the opening to the cave.
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Sixth boy has emerged from the Thai cave site alive and well (Reuters)
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Sixth boy has emerged from the Thai cave site alive and well (Reuters)
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@Freya
Here is what happened:
This coach does activities with these boys. One of them is to ride bikes together and go exploring after soccer practice. They have been in this cave before, no problem. One way they were found is, all their bikes were found at the opening to the cave.
Thanks @Victoria33
I owe you an email. I might write you a snail mail though instead it’s more personal
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Oh it was a spelunking trip from hell.
@Freya
I was 16 and in college. I was in an earth science college course. We were going to have a test on certain chapters in the text book. I knew those chapters almost by every word in those chapters. I took the test, knew I got every question right, and there was a question about a certain word for extra credit. I did not know the word. After handing in my test, I went to the professor and said that word was not in those chapters. He laughed, opened the book and there was a picture in those chapters and under the picture was the word "spelunking". I had not read the small print under that picture. I never made that mistake again. The moral of this story is, always read under every picture.
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Fox reporting 1st stage ending and 2nd stage will begin in 10 to 12 hours
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Fox reporting 1st stage ending and 2nd stage will begin in 10 to 12 hours
So, the last 6 and the coach will be brought out then?
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CNN is reporting they need to replenish oxygen supplies.
It’s a nail biter.
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So, the last 6 and the coach will be brought out then?
Yes...if this report is accurate the rescue will resume later tonight
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Yes...if this report is accurate the rescue will resume later tonight
Give these families serenity and give the boys and their coach as well as their rescuers strength to do this and come up Alive.
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@Freya
I was 16 and in college. I was in an earth science college course. We were going to have a test on certain chapters in the text book. I knew those chapters almost by every word in those chapters. I took the test, knew I got every question right, and there was a question about a certain word for extra credit. I did not know the word. After handing in my test, I went to the professor and said that word was not in those chapters. He laughed, opened the book and there was a picture in those chapters and under the picture was the word "spelunking". I had not read the small print under that picture. I never made that mistake again. The moral of this story is, always read under every picture.
And caves no longer use the term. It's now called "caving".
Some traditionalists will hang onto "spelunking" if you're going in to study the cave formations, but m9st now use "caving" even for that.
I miss "spelunking".
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And caves no longer use the term. It's now called "caving".
Some traditionalists will hang onto "spelunking" if you're going in to study the cave formations, but m9st now use "caving" even for that.
It was on the SATs. :silly:
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And caves no longer use the term. It's now called "caving".
Some traditionalists will hang onto "spelunking" if you're going in to study the cave formations, but m9st now use "caving" even for that.
I miss "spelunking".
@Suppressed
Maybe today that text book would not have spelunking under a picture. You know what this change of word is: dumbing down the English language for the majority of the people.
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Sixth boy has emerged from the Thai cave site alive and well (Reuters)
Strange. Other sources only report four.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-race-to-save-boys-trapped-in-thai-cave-11428960 (https://news.sky.com/story/live-race-to-save-boys-trapped-in-thai-cave-11428960)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live)
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I don't like "caving." Sounds too much like "caving in."
I woke up to news on TV that four are out now? And they're starting the next phase in 10 hours or so?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-first-two-boys-brought-out (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-first-two-boys-brought-out)
He said the operation, which was launched at 10am on Sunday, had proceeded hours faster than expected. “It has been our masterpiece work,†he said.
The first boy emerged from the cave at 5.40pm local time (1140 BST), followed by a second 10 to 12 minutes later, he said. “After that, a third and fourth at 7.40pm and 7.50pm.â€
After completing the 3.2km journey through the muddy, jagged cave, the divers turned and hugged the boys, who emerged wearing full-face scuba masks, he said.
All four boys had safely reached a hospital in Chiang Rai, the nearest major city, he added. He did not name which four of the boys were removed first, nor the basis on which they were selected.
Ninety divers were involved in Sunday’s operation, 50 foreigners and 40 Thais.
“Our job is not completely done,†Osatanakorn said. “We will have to do the next mission as successfully as the one we did today. The rest of the kids are in the same spot.â€
The remaining eight boys and their 25-year-old coach will be brought out in further operations starting in the morning.
“Air tanks and systems have to be put in place again,†Osatanakorn said. “I can’t tell you exact timing of the next operation but I can say it will be more than 10 hours to 20 hours. It will not be more than 20 hours. I have to check all factors are stable. The operation then will be carried out.â€
The extraction of the four boys took place more than two hours earlier than the most optimistic deadline set by rescue authorities on Sunday morning.
Rain on Saturday evening and throughout Sunday was thought to be the catalyst for starting the rescue operation but appears not to have halted or significantly slowed its progress.
The extraction began at 10am on Sunday morning when 10 divers from an international team started making the 3.2km journey to the muddy slope where the boys have been sheltering.
They were joined by three more divers on Sunday afternoon and a team of rescue workers helping to run a rope system in more difficult stretches of the cave, as well as five Thai navy Seals.
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(I'm too claustrophobic to even read this .... )
(https://s22.postimg.cc/fq6xhndi9/Dhkf_Cz_IXUAAPEZ2.jpg)
That graphic is terrifying. That spot right before #2, awful.
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"Ninety divers were involved in Sunday’s operation, 50 foreigners and 40 Thais."
Hopefully the "foreigners" will be named by nationality.
The entire world should be informed exactly who runs into the fire, to help when help is needed.
Like when US hospital ships arrive at foreign sites of natural disasters.
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One of the posted articles mentioned that the rescuers are using "full-face" diving masks.
I wasn't sure of what a "full face" SCUBA mask would look like, so went to amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Reef-Divers-Full-Face/dp/B004G57UMG (https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Reef-Divers-Full-Face/dp/B004G57UMG)
Another can be seen here:
https://www.scuba.com/scuba-gear-124/Masks-Full-Face-Masks.html?view=list (https://www.scuba.com/scuba-gear-124/Masks-Full-Face-Masks.html?view=list)
I can see where something like this might work for someone who has never dived before, vis-a-vis a more "conventional" setup (mouthpiece & face mask)
An amazing rescue.
I didn't think they were going to be able to get them out.
Thankfully, I have been proven wrong about that!
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I wonder what happened to boys 5 and 6.
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One of the posted articles mentioned that the rescuers are using "full-face" diving masks.
I wasn't sure of what a "full face" SCUBA mask would look like, so went to amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Reef-Divers-Full-Face/dp/B004G57UMG (https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Reef-Divers-Full-Face/dp/B004G57UMG)
Another can be seen here:
https://www.scuba.com/scuba-gear-124/Masks-Full-Face-Masks.html?view=list (https://www.scuba.com/scuba-gear-124/Masks-Full-Face-Masks.html?view=list)
I can see where something like this might work for someone who has never dived before, vis-a-vis a more "conventional" setup (mouthpiece & face mask)
An amazing rescue.
I didn't think they were going to be able to get them out.
Thankfully, I have been proven wrong about that!
Thanks for substantive info on masks.
I eagerly await the full story on this. People, equipment, etc.
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I wonder what happened to boys 5 and 6.
Two were reported rescued.
Then four were reported rescued.
It must have been assumed that the four were additional, not total.
5 and 6 are still with 7-12.
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Oh good I had a bad thought maybe 5 and 6 didn’t make it and that is why the story went radio silent.
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Sandesh Shivapuram
†@Sandesh0305
5h5 hours ago
The 2 British men who are leading the rescue operation are John Volanthen and Rick Stanton. They are universally regarded as the best cave divers in the world.
They were the ones who found the boys & are now leading the rescue mission.
HEROES🙏🏻🙏🏻 #ThaiCaveRescue
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhl5glzVAAMSyHC.jpg)
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Thank you for posting this @mystery-ak
They are 😇😇
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World News Tonight
â€Verified account @ABCWorldNews
5m5 minutes ago
4 rescued from Thai cave in risky operation; 9 remain inside: https://abcn.ws/2KHD3SA
No idea how many have been rescued...everyone giving different numbers
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No idea how many have been rescued...everyone giving different numbers
Reuters was mis-reporting.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-accident-cave-rescue/six-boys-have-exited-thai-cave-senior-member-of-rescue-team-idUSKBN1JY0G7 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-accident-cave-rescue/six-boys-have-exited-thai-cave-senior-member-of-rescue-team-idUSKBN1JY0G7)
(This story was corrected to show four boys, not six, have exited cave.)
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2 hr 36 min ago
"This has been described as a war against water and a race against time"
The rescue efforts in Thailand are still suspended while teams restock supplies and prepare to get the rest of the team out of the cave.
"There are eight more to go, plus the coach. And they have to stay down there for the next few hours — probably couple of days, actually — because there's a problem with restocking the oxygen supplies down there," CNN's Jonathan Miller reports.
Rescuers have a dwindling window of opportunity, with forecasters predicting the return of heavy monsoon rains in the coming days, effectively sealing off the cave until October.
"The other problem they've got is, this has been described as a war against water and a race against time," Miller said. ... CNN (https://twitter.com/cnni)
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@mountaineer what does that mean? They’ll be dead by October
They will probably be dead if they don’t cone up in the next day or two
This stinks and I’m beyond sad
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@mountaineer what does that mean? They’ll be dead by October
They will probably be dead if they don’t cone up in the next day or two
This stinks and I’m beyond sad
It is a bit of a roller-coaster, isn't it? I think they'll get them out in a day or so. the workers have to be tired of the PITA press hanging around, and they only have a few days/hours left to get 'er done.
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I don't like "caving." Sounds too much like "caving in."
Agreed.
But the club I used to cave with changed their name in the 80s.
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I don't understand...I'm not there. But I promise you it's making me nervous as all get out.
I'm an optimist. The rain will hold off. The oxegyn levels will increase for the remaining kids and the water level will drop.
I totally believe in putting positives vibes out. They are stronger than negative ones.
of course, I continue to pray.
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I don't understand...I'm not there. But I promise you it's making me nervous as all get out.
I'm an optimist. The rain will hold off. The oxegyn levels will increase for the remaining kids and the water level will drop.
I totally believe in putting positives vibes out. They are stronger than negative ones.
of course, I continue to pray.
@berdie I thank you
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/world/asia/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/world/asia/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates.html)
Thailand Cave Rescue Live Updates: 4 Team Members Are Out, 9 to Go
Why can’t the boys swim?
A Thai official has said that some members of the boys’ soccer team trapped in the flooded Tham Luang Cave network don’t know how to swim, further complicating the rescue effort.
That may surprise people from countries where swim lessons are a rite of passage for most children. But in Southeast Asia, not knowing how to swim is normal.
A key reason is that many mothers in the region believe that teaching their children to swim will increase the risk of them drowning, said Michael Linnan, the technical director at the Alliance for Safe Children, an Atlanta-based nonprofit that has worked extensively in the region.
Dr. Linnan said it was not uncommon to see rates of swimming in low- and middle-income countries that is “well below†20 percent, even among sailors, fishermen and others who earn their living on the water.
Drowning is a leading cause of death among children in low- and middle-income countries in Asia, Unicef said in a 2012 report. Unlike in high-income countries, the report said, the danger to children typically comes not from swimming pools but from daily exposure to water and “spontaneous actions that put them at risk.â€
In Thailand, the Health Ministry reported in 2014 that drowning was the primary cause of death among children under 15. It said an average of four children in Thailand died every day from drowning, a rate five to 15 times higher than those for developed countries.
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First boys rescued from Tham Luang cave complex in Thailand – in pictures
https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2018/jul/08/first-boys-rescued-from-tham-luang-caves-thailand-pictures (https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2018/jul/08/first-boys-rescued-from-tham-luang-caves-thailand-pictures)
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Thai cave rescue: Operation resumes for remaining 8 boys, coach-- live updates
CBS News Last Updated Jul 8, 2018 9:23 PM EDT
Ex-U.S. Navy SEAL explains why so many divers are involved
Dave Sear, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, joined CBSN to explain why there are 90 divers involved in the rescue mission and what kind of assistance the U.S. can offer Thailand officials. Fifty of the rescuers are from Thailand and 40 others are from across the world. Sear said some of the divers are likely staging oxygen tanks and fixing lines of rope along the cave.
"A rope will go along the entire cave to guide them so they can find their way out of the cave. They will make sure it is in place. Then you are going to stage oxygen bottles or air bottles, depending on what they are using, along that route so that they can switch out as they go. They will have bottles there so they can refresh them, and put new bottles on. The other divers will get them out and replace them," Sear said.
Sear said the U.S. will likely offer planning and logistic experience in terms of coordinating equipment needed for the mission."We have some of the best divers in the world and, we can hook them up with internet, Skype, mobile stations and power sources," he said.
Anmar Mirza, national coordinator of the National Cave Rescue Mission, says the complexity of the rescue is off the charts.
"This is the most scary situation that a person could go through, said Anmar Mirza, national coordinator of the National Cave Rescue Mission. "You can't make a horror movie that would even compare... I've been involved in cave rescues for 30 years and I cannot even think of one that is this complicated."
"The trust factor between the children and diver makes it -- it's probably 90 percent of what gets them out of the cave," Mirza said.
An international team has taken shifts bringing them food, medical supplies and comforting letters from their parents. Their soccer coach even taught them to meditate to stay calm.
"The good news is that the first phase was successful, so they had an opportunity to show it works," Mirza said. "It's still dangerous but it's much better odds for the remaining kids to come out now because of those initial ones."
More: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/thai-cave-rescue-operation-resumes-thailand-boys-soccer-team-2018-07-08-live-updates/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/thai-cave-rescue-operation-resumes-thailand-boys-soccer-team-2018-07-08-live-updates/)
"You can't make a horror movie that would even compare"
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Thanks for the update, Elderberry. Geez, what a process! It's like climbing Everest, except underground and under water.
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Thanks for the update, Elderberry. Geez, what a process! It's like climbing Everest, except underground and under water.
And, in very tight spaces. Did I read that the one tunnel was just 15" wide? Scary.
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And, in very tight spaces. Did I read that the one tunnel was just 15" wide? Scary.
I just read it too: The boys, aged 11-17, and divers have to wade and dive through floodwaters, and climb through caverns and crevices, with one point just 38cm wide.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2018/07/09/thai-cave-rescue-process/ (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2018/07/09/thai-cave-rescue-process/)
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Sanguine wrote:
"And, in very tight spaces. Did I read that the one tunnel was just 15" wide? Scary."
I would think that, when all this is said and done, Thailand would seal this cave shut with a solid barrier and be done with it...
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Sanguine wrote:
"And, in very tight spaces. Did I read that the one tunnel was just 15" wide? Scary."
I would think that, when all this is said and done, Thailand would seal this cave shut with a solid barrier and be done with it...
After all this publicity? They'll make a tidy sum charging tickets to enter it. Of course every ticket will include a Hazardous Activity Release Form.
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8:45 a.m. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-thai-cave-rescue-underway-56435770 (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-thai-cave-rescue-underway-56435770)
Rescuers at a Thai cave where eight boys and their soccer coach remain trapped have awoken to cloudy skies, after a night in which heavy monsoon rains lashed the mountainous region for several hours.
It was not immediately clear Monday how the overnight rains had impacted water levels inside the flooded cave. Officials have said storms forecast for Chiang Rai province in Thailand's far north had factored into their decision to go ahead with a complicated and dangerous plan to have the boys and their coach dive out of the cave.
Thailand's Meteorological Department said there was a 60 percent chance of rain Monday with thunderstorms forecast throughout the week.
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@Freya
@mystery-ak
It is 10:37 pm, central time. The CBS website is updating every time something happens in the rescue. At this time, they have started bringing out the rest of the boys.
One of the four taken out last time included the coach. He was in worse shape than any of the boys as he had been giving his food and water to the boys, eating little and taking little water so they would have more strength to get out.
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Thank you for the update @Victoria33
I hope they are all out in the next 24 hours
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I just heard Elon Musk sent a mini submarine to help.
Just woke up. No news . Situation is dire.
Prayers up. Please bring the boys back home today.
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CNN is reporting one more boy brought out.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html)
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CNN is reporting one more boy brought out.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html)
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One of the four taken out last time included the coach. He was in worse shape than any of the boys as he had been giving his food and water to the boys, eating little and taking little water so they would have more strength to get out.
THE FOUR BOYS FREED
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/thai-cave-rescue-perfect-conditions-to-save-cavetrapped-soccer-team-might-not-last/news-story/e98f360f471f437d91375d8351060fa8?nk=3c6e4e27a5003fb4d54af946d877082e-1531101961 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/thai-cave-rescue-perfect-conditions-to-save-cavetrapped-soccer-team-might-not-last/news-story/e98f360f471f437d91375d8351060fa8?nk=3c6e4e27a5003fb4d54af946d877082e-1531101961)
Nattawut ‘Tle’ Takamsai, 11, Monhkhol Boonpiam, 13, Prajak Sutham, 14, and Pipat Bodhi, 15, were taken to safety today, surviving the treacherous journey through flooded underground rivers and arriving safely into the hands of medics, in what has been dubbed a “masterpiece†mission.
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A SIXTH boy has been rescued by divers from a flooded cave in northern Thailand, the second rescue of the complex operation’s second stage.
The removal of the sixth boy comes just two hours after a fifth boy was led out by divers.
Rescue workers carried the fifth boy away from the cave complex and into a waiting ambulance, a witness said.
The boy was loaded onto a stretcher and carried to an ambulance, which then drove towards a helipad.
A helicopter with the boy on board was seen taking off shortly afterwards to the cheers of the crowd below. He is now being treated by doctors in a Chiang Rai hospital
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/watch-live-divers-in-cave-for-second-rescue-as-operation-resumes/news-story/3dd3e5c58764a14f1bfdcae67f2d3728 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/watch-live-divers-in-cave-for-second-rescue-as-operation-resumes/news-story/3dd3e5c58764a14f1bfdcae67f2d3728)
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Huzzah!
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Just reported: 7th boy is out.
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7th boy out!
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Thailand cave rescue update LIVE: Seventh boy rescued from cave – race to free 6 boys
RESCUE efforts in the Tham Luang cave resume as nine members of the football ream remain trapped. Divers have already rescued four boys successfully in a daring operation. Here is all the latest news and live updates.
By Georgina Laud
PUBLISHED: 11:10, Mon, Jul 9, 2018 | UPDATED: 12:43, Mon, Jul 9, 2018
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update)
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Just reported: 7th boy is out.
@Right_in_Virginia
Gmta, we posted together!
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@Right_in_Virginia
Gmta, we posted together!
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New emoji
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5 more to go?
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Thailand cave rescue update LIVE: Eighth boy rescued from cave
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update)
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Hallelujah!
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@Elderberry
@Right_in_Virginia
Thank you for the timely updates. You are my heroes today
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I wonder if this is all the rescues for Today?
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I wonder if this is all the rescues for Today?
I’m optimistic all will be out within 24 hours. Keep the faith.
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Let's not forget, one diver died trying to save these boys, getting them oxygen. That would be in my mind as well.
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@Freya I cannot reduce the size of your attachments..you just need to remove it
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1.29pm update: The rescue mission for today has been suspended as four boys plus their coach remain inside the cave
Following the successful rescue of eight boys, four yesterday and four today, rescue attempts have been paused in order for divers to rest according to an eyewitness.
Four boys and their 25-year-old football coach remain inside the cave.
The four rescued today were all removed on stretchers, after an exhausting journey out of the winding cave complex.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update)
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@Freya I cannot reduce the size of your attachments..you just need to remove it
She won’t remove. It’s ok. I’m sorry Myst 888oops888 88sorry88
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Thank you @Elderberry
Those poor boys. Can you imagine the ptsd?
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1.29pm update: The rescue mission for today has been suspended as four boys plus their coach remain inside the cave
Following the successful rescue of eight boys, four yesterday and four today, rescue attempts have been paused in order for divers to rest according to an eyewitness.
Four boys and their 25-year-old football coach remain inside the cave.
The four rescued today were all removed on stretchers, after an exhausting journey out of the winding cave complex.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/985978/Thailand-cave-rescue-news-Thai-trapped-boys-latest-LIVE-update)
Thank you all for the updates.
I thought the coach had already been removed? He's still there?
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Thank you all for the updates.
I thought the coach had already been removed? He's still there?
That's what I thought. Supposedly, he gave all his food and water to the boys, so he was severely dehydrated and malnourished.
But who knows what's true? Seems every news outlet is reporting something different.
By the way, I read somewhere that the adult is not the coach, but rather, the coach's assistant. He was supposedly once a novice at a monastery.
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Thank you all for the updates.
I thought the coach had already been removed? He's still there?
The coach is still in the cave with the last 4 boys. I would assume he will be the last to come out. Like the captain of a sinking ship. The last to depart.
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Hopefully they've been able to get more food and water to them while they wait to be rescued.
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Cave rescue: Who are the 12 boys and their coach trapped in Thailand?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44762010 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44762010)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44762010 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44762010)
Peerapat Sompiangjai (Nickname: Night), 17
Night went missing on his birthday and his parents say they are still waiting to hold his party.
According to reports, the boys went into the cave on 23 June to celebrate Night's birthday. They were said to have brought treats and snacks along with them.
These supplies likely helped sustain the group in the many days spent trapped inside the cave.
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The coach is still in the cave with the last 4 boys. I would assume he will be the last to come out. Like the captain of a sinking ship. The last to depart.
@Sanguine
@Elderberry
I was the one who put on here that the coach was taken out because he was worse than the rest since he gave his food and water to the boys. It was CBS news that reported that. One would think CBS news would have it right.
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@Sanguine
@Elderberry
I was the one who put on here that the coach was taken out because he was worse than the rest since he gave his food and water to the boys. It was CBS news that reported that. One would think CBS news would have it right.
Oh, OK, thanks, @Victoria33.
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@Sanguine
@Elderberry
I was the one who put on here that the coach was taken out because he was worse than the rest since he gave his food and water to the boys. It was CBS news that reported that. One would think CBS news would have it right.
Not your fault.
That's what happens when one news organization, takes at face value what is reported by another news organization.
I looked at the CBS video(on youtube) and they reported that they heard from Thai media, that the coach had been rescued.
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@Elderberry @Freya
On behalf of the office-bound everywhere: Thank you! for the updates. I know just where to go to find out what's going on.
Eight boys and now the divers rest. Gotta keep praying the rains hold off for one more day. :0001:
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@Freya @mystery-ak
I unchecked the box for attachments in post #91 in believing I could simply check it again. The attachment is now gone so I apologize if that was wrong.
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@Freya @mystery-ak
I unchecked the box for attachments in post #91 in believing I could simply check it again. The attachment is now gone so I apologize if that was wrong.
Thanks...I should have done that :whistle:
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Fascinating diagram of cave. There will be no more rescues today. The remaining four will be rescued in the morning....
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2018/07/09/4-freed-from-thailand-cave-but-rescuers-face-war-with-water-and-time-to-get-to-others/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-12/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1531133029232.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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Is it the same four divers who are going in after the boys each time, or are they sending fresh divers each time they go back in to get two more boys out?
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Is it the same four divers who are going in after the boys each time, or are they sending fresh divers each time they go back in to get two more boys out?
Each boy is being accompanied by two divers.
Ex-U.S. Navy SEAL explains why so many divers are involved
Dave Sear, a former U.S. Navy SEAL, joined CBSN to explain why there are 90 divers involved in the rescue mission and what kind of assistance the U.S. can offer Thailand officials.
Fifty of the rescuers are from Thailand and 40 others are from across the world. Sear said some of the divers are likely staging oxygen tanks and fixing lines of rope along the cave.
"A rope will go along the entire cave to guide them so they can find their way out of the cave. They will make sure it is in place. Then you are going to stage oxygen bottles or air bottles, depending on what they are using, along that route so that they can switch out as they go. They will have bottles there so they can refresh them, and put new bottles on.
The other divers will get them out and replace them," Sear said.
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@Sanguine
@Elderberry
I was the one who put on here that the coach was taken out because he was worse than the rest since he gave his food and water to the boys. It was CBS news that reported that. One would think CBS news would have it right.
Not a problem @Victoria33 I too had heard that erroneous report on CBS. This is like every other incident or tragedy. There is also misinformation and in some cases out and out lies. I'm going to guess that in this case there will be a lot of false reporting simply because of the language barrier. We may not know anything for sure until -- God willing -- all of the boys and the adult are brought out alive.
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Fascinating diagram of cave. There will be no more rescues today. The remaining four will be rescued in the morning....
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2018/07/09/4-freed-from-thailand-cave-but-rescuers-face-war-with-water-and-time-to-get-to-others/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-12/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1531133029232.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
So, if I'm reading that correctly, the area marked "flooded passage too narrow for scuba tanks" means they have to hold their breath and swim underwater, in tight rocks, that whole way? Damn.
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So, if I'm reading that correctly, the area marked "flooded passage too narrow for scuba tanks" means they have to hold their breath and swim underwater, in tight rocks, that whole way? Damn.
@Sanguine
Yes, early on,I saw a diagram of that small passageway and it goes uphill on the right side. The person talked about that narrow passage, it is 20+ inches diameter, only large enough for a body, and you had better not be fat.
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So, if I'm reading that correctly, the area marked "flooded passage too narrow for scuba tanks" means they have to hold their breath and swim underwater, in tight rocks, that whole way? Damn.
They likely stage bottles for the kids to use on tethered masks as indicated in the diagram below. The real divers could go through the narrow spots without tanks to pick up another staged or dragged behind.
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Yes, early on,I saw a diagram of that small passageway and it goes uphill on the right side. The person talked about that narrow passage, it is 20+ inches diameter, only large enough for a body, and you had better not be fat.
Doesn't even have to be fat when it's very narrow. I had to help lift a large fit man whose ribcage was too big to allow him to fit down through a tight squeeze. It was rather scary, as he'd wedged himself in to where his ribcage couldn't expand to allow him to inhale, and as he exhaled, he fell farther down. Fortunately, I was ahead of him and was able to lift, as I don't think we could have just pulled him up from the topside.
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The divers are back at it .... :0001:
8 boys rescued from cave in Thailand as operation resumes for 2nd day
ABC News, Jul 9, 2018, Mark Osborne, Bill Hutchinson
Dive teams in Thailand rescued four more boys from a flooded jungle cave Monday and were confident they will also be able to save the remaining four boys and their adult soccer coach still trapped in the cavern.
Chiang Rai provincial Gov. Narongsak Osatanakorn, speaking as the second day of the rescue mission got underway, predicted that all 12 of the boys on the soccer team and the coach will be safely brought out of the labyrinth where they went missing 17 days ago.
"I insist that all 13 will be safe and sound," Osatanakorn said.
More: https://abcnews.go.com/International/rescue-effort-restarts-final-boys-coach-trapped-cave/story?id=56450198
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The divers are back at it .... :0001:
More prayers .
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The divers are back at it .... :0001:
@Right_in_Virginia keep us up to date. Please. My alerts have gone radio silent.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/watch-live-divers-in-cave-for-second-rescue-as-operation-resumes/news-story/3dd3e5c58764a14f1bfdcae67f2d3728 (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/watch-live-divers-in-cave-for-second-rescue-as-operation-resumes/news-story/3dd3e5c58764a14f1bfdcae67f2d3728)
“Tomorrow if it’s going to be weather like today, there’s nothing to worry about. There has been very good drainage and we expect good news.â€
The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time (7pm AEST) today but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five may not all be brought out — one of them may have to wait another day.
“For [Tuesday], I cannot confirm the number that will come out,†he said. “The plan is set for to rescue four, not five. The best number is four, for safety.â€
Storms are predicted today but similar forecasts for the past two days have failed to deliver heavy rain that might have scuppered the rescue.
Gen Buncha Duriyaphan, an army commander involved in the operation, said he had been asking Pra Pirun, the god of rain, for three days’ reprieve to conduct the operation. He said praying for an extension may be viewed as indulgent. “If I ask for more, he might not grant it,†he said.
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I guess all the boys first then the coach. 8888crybaby
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@Right_in_Virginia keep us up to date. Please. My alerts have gone radio silent.
You know the latest I do now :beer:
@Freya
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Business Insider by Alexandra Ma http://www.businessinsider.com/thai-cave-rescue-cartoon-goes-viral-has-hidden-meaning-2018-7?amp%3Butm_medium=referral (http://www.businessinsider.com/thai-cave-rescue-cartoon-goes-viral-has-hidden-meaning-2018-7?amp%3Butm_medium=referral)
This cartoon depicting the Thai cave rescue is going viral in Thailand — and it has a hidden meaning
Two Thai artists have created a cartoon full of hidden symbols to depict the operation to rescue the stranded soccer team in the cave.
It depicts 13 wild boars swimming out of an underwater cave alongside dozens of other animals.
The animals represent the different nationalities involved in the operation.
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b43924542e1cc24f17e6bbc-960-360.jpg)
More at link
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Coach could be left in Thai cave alone: Divers say they can safely rescue four at a time, leaving 25-year-old to spend night in dank, dungeon-like tunnels
Daily Mail/UK, Jul 9, 2018 Updated: 17:48 EDT
Eight boys have now been rescued from the flooded Thai cave.
As the second group of four finally breathed fresh air yesterday, officials admitted the youths’ football coach faced spending a night alone in the dank, dungeon-like tunnels.
Rescue chief Narongsak Osottanakorn refused to rule out 25-year-old Ekaphol Chantawong being left inside the cave if the four remaining pupils are rescued today, because the divers’ system of taking that many at a time was working well. ‘For safety, the best number is four,’ he said.
Meanwhile, adding to their parents’ torment, the boys are not being allowed to hug them due to infection fears. They are being quarantined in hospital but are said to be in ‘good health’.
More: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935535/Coach-left-Thai-cave-divers-say-safely-rescue-four-time.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935535/Coach-left-Thai-cave-divers-say-safely-rescue-four-time.html)
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Any news?..Fox has mentioned nothing about this latest attempt
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Any news?..Fox has mentioned nothing about this latest attempt
The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time(4am CST Tomorrow) but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five may not all be brought out — one of them may have to wait another day.
“For [Tuesday], I cannot confirm the number that will come out,†he said. “The plan is set for to rescue four, not five. The best number is four, for safety.â€
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The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time(4am CST Tomorrow) but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five may not all be brought out — one of them may have to wait another day.
“For [Tuesday], I cannot confirm the number that will come out,†he said. “The plan is set for to rescue four, not five. The best number is four, for safety.â€
I would hate to be that fifth person..
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I would hate to be that fifth person..
What I can't get outta my head, is that they were trapped there for 9 days or so before they were discovered.
And wondering how long they were there in the pitch darkness after the last flashlight gave out.
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What I can't get outta my head, is that they were trapped there for 9 days or so before they were discovered.
And wondering how long they were there in the pitch darkness after the last flashlight gave out.
Very scary especially for the younger boys.
I don't know if my 12yo grandson could have handled that isolation and fear...but he can swim
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I would hate to be that fifth person..
It would be the coach. I posted an article about a few posts up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935535/Coach-left-Thai-cave-divers-say-safely-rescue-four-time.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935535/Coach-left-Thai-cave-divers-say-safely-rescue-four-time.html)
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6737867/thai-cave-rescue-football-coach-ekaphol-chantawong-latest/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6737867/thai-cave-rescue-football-coach-ekaphol-chantawong-latest/)
The principal of Mae Sai Prasitsart School, which six of the 12 boys attend, said educators will do everything possible to ensure the boys can ease back into their regular lives.
Kanet Pongsuwan told USA Today: “We will treat them positively, and not put the blame on them for anything.
“They were the victims of a disaster.â€
Kanet said the boys, all members of the Wild Boars soccer team, will receive extra tutoring to catch them up on their studies since going missing June 23 inside the labyrinthine complex in northern Thailand.
The boys also won’t have to take exams scheduled for next week.
“We’re going to eat fried chicken at KFC,†said Poowadet Khamngern, a 14-year-old who plays on the Wild Boars.
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USA FOR TRUMP 🇺🇸 †@USATrump45 28m28 minutes ago
JUST IN: FIFA has invited all boys from the Thai soccer team, who are currently being rescued from a cave in Thailand, to the World Cup Final. #WorldCup
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That’s pretty cool.
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Classy. These boys are my heros. There’s no way I could endure what they did.
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So cool that they'll get to watch England defeat Belgium!
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The next operation is scheduled to be launched by 4pm local time(4am CST Tomorrow) but the rescue chief said he could not guarantee the last five may not all be brought out — one of them may have to wait another day.
“For [Tuesday], I cannot confirm the number that will come out,†he said. “The plan is set for to rescue four, not five. The best number is four, for safety.â€
Oh my gosh, that’s awful. Can one of the divers stay in there with him until he can be brought out? I can’t imagine having to wait in there alone.
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Oh my gosh, that’s awful. Can one of the divers stay in there with him until he can be brought out? I can’t imagine having to wait in there alone.
I would sure think that they would.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/986372/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-elon-musk-tham-luang-cave-thai-soccer-team-rescuers-latest (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/986372/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-elon-musk-tham-luang-cave-thai-soccer-team-rescuers-latest)
ELON Musk is in northern Thailand at Tham Luang cave with a prototype of a small submarine-like vessel which could be used to save the remaining four boys and their football coach who have been stranded for over two weeks.
Elon Musk tweeted he was in Thailand with a prototype mini-sub, at the flooded cave where four Thai boys and their coach remained trapped.
The tech billionaire tweeted: “Just returned from Cave 3. Mini-sub is ready if needed.
“It is made of rocket parts & named Wild Boar after kids’ soccer team. Leaving here in case it may be useful in the future.
Cave Three, which the space entrepreneur referred to in his tweet, is about two kilometers (1.2 miles) from the entrance of the cave network and is the base for Thai rescuers.
The four boys and their coach who are waiting to be rescued are about two kilometers (1.2 miles) further in.
On Saturday, the Tesla CEO tweeted he had several alternative plans, but that he had agreed with his team of experts the best idea was building a small submarine "fitted for a kid".
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https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article214584265.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article214584265.html)
When Navy SEAL died during Thailand cave rescue, this North Texas doctor intervened
For the past two weeks, the whole world has been mesmerized by the plight of 12 boys and their soccer coach trapped inside a cave in Thailand.
On the other side of the world here in Texas, one doctor has done his part to help the rescue efforts.
Dr. Renie Guilliod, 56, medical director of hyperbaric medicine at the Institute for Exercise and Environmental Medicine in Dallas, became involved in an advisory role when he heard that a former Thai Navy SEAL team member died Friday preparing for the rescue mission.
He sent an email to the governor of the province of Chiang Rai, Thailand, about the dangerous levels of carbon dioxide inside the cave.
"No one was mentioning the air quality which was at 15 percent" Guilliod said. "Normally in properly ventilated conditions human beings breath in 20 to 21 percent oxygen, which is fine. But if it had dropped to 15 percent then that meant that the carbon dioxide levels had to increase to at least 5 percent.
"These high levels of CO2 not only aggravate hypoxia because they affect the transport of oxygen to tissues, but they are also highly toxic."
From that point he was communicating with the Thai Navy SEALS through email, said Guilliod, also a faculty member at UT Southwestern Medical Center.
He proposed a set of solutions to stop the increase in carbon dioxide, how to breathe a lesser amount and how to reduce the levels inside the cave.
"Restricting the childrens' physical activity is crucial because the more they breathe, the more carbon dioxide level will increase," Guilliod said.
He also suggested moving the boys to a higher area inside the cave where they are now stationed to keep them breathing more oxygen and less carbon dioxide.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/thai-cave-rescue-soccer-teams-final-five-wait-for-rescue/news-story/51666812f8a5fdd1b0271efda0c8d64b?nk=3c6e4e27a5003fb4d54af946d877082e-1531192290 (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/thai-cave-rescue-soccer-teams-final-five-wait-for-rescue/news-story/51666812f8a5fdd1b0271efda0c8d64b?nk=3c6e4e27a5003fb4d54af946d877082e-1531192290)
The rescued boys will be quarantined and tested for the potentially fatal airborne lung disease histoplasmosis, or ‘cave disease.’
Caused by a fungus found in bird or bat droppings, the infection can spread in wet, humid areas when microscopic spores are inhaled into the lungs.
Symptoms, which are similar to pneumonia, can develop anywhere from three to 17 days after exposure to the fungus.
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Oh my gosh, that’s awful. Can one of the divers stay in there with him until he can be brought out? I can’t imagine having to wait in there alone.
@Polly Ticks
The Thai Navy SEALs have been staying with the boys in the cave since they were found on Monday night.
I'm sure some will stay with the coach if he is left for another day to be rescued.
https://www.firstpost.com/world/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates-official-says-four-boys-saved-weakest-ones-were-brought-out-first-4690401.html (https://www.firstpost.com/world/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates-official-says-four-boys-saved-weakest-ones-were-brought-out-first-4690401.html)
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@Polly Ticks
The Thai Navy SEALs have been staying with the boys in the cave since they were found on Monday night.
I'm sure some will stay with the coach if he is left for another day to be rescued.
https://www.firstpost.com/world/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates-official-says-four-boys-saved-weakest-ones-were-brought-out-first-4690401.html (https://www.firstpost.com/world/thailand-cave-rescue-live-updates-official-says-four-boys-saved-weakest-ones-were-brought-out-first-4690401.html)
That's good to know.
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Two hours ago they started to bring the remaining people home. News stories look like tgey will try to bring up all 5.
We will know more in a few hours.
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9 and 10 are out! :beer:
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9 and 10 are out! :beer:
Yea!
Thanks, @Freya! :beer:
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Yea!
Thanks, @Freya! :beer:
Thanks my iPhone! It started beeping like crazy. I thought it was an Amber alert or a hurricane:tornado.
I’m going back to bed. They say it will be several hours before the other boys come up . I think they are doing all 5. (Fingers crossed)
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11th person is out!!!
Sky news
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11th person is out!!!
Sky news
Wonderful news @Freya
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Last Boy is Out!!!!!
CNN
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Last Boy is Out!!!!!
CNN
The coach is out, too! They're all out!
@Freya
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Coach is out
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Ok folks
party!!!!
(They are for birthdays but a party is a party)
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Ok folks
party!!!!
Actually, a doctor and three Navy Seals are not yet up.
But the party starts soon ... and it's going to be BIG! 888high58888
@Victoria33
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THANK GOD THEY ARE ALL OUT!
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Btw, I pinged the mods to change the headline.
:beer: :seeya:
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An amazing rescue that I had thought couldn't be done.
Kudos to all involved!
addendum:
For some reason, Drudge has been silent on this rescue, at least up until 9am Tuesday morn...
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So thankful to hear that all have been rescued ... and that none had to stay buried underground alone to wait his turn!
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Prayers answered. Thanks be to God!
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title changed
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Great news!
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PRAISE THE LORD!!!!
(This feels a lot like a MIRACLE!)
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Thank God in His infinite greatness!
And stand tall, humanity, for the courage displayed by the boys and their rescuers!
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Thank God in His infinite greatness!
And stand tall, humanity, for the courage displayed by the boys and their rescuers!
Absolutely agree on both counts!
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
On behalf of the United States, congratulations to the Thai Navy SEALs and all on the successful rescue of the 12 boys and their coach from the treacherous cave in Thailand. Such a beautiful moment - all freed, great job!
5:39 AM - 10 Jul 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016663151935291393?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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I'm glad they are all have been rescued. I have a feeling that the cave is going to be closed.
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Now the healing begins
Those boys are weak, sick and going to have ptsd for a long time
Bless and watch over them
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All the rescue divers are now out of the cave.
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I'm glad they are all have been rescued. I have a feeling that the cave is going to be closed.
That's usually what happens. :shrug:
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Now the healing begins
Those boys are weak, sick and going to have ptsd for a long time
Bless and watch over them
Amen, @Freya ! AMEN!!
They have a rough road ahead. The trauma will take its toll.
We need to keep praying for them!
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Thank God in His infinite greatness!
And stand tall, humanity, for the courage displayed by the boys and their rescuers!
AMEN!!
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The four Thai Navy Seals (one medic) that stayed IN the cave with the boys since they were discovered. They monitored their health and prepped them for their dangerous escape, and were the last to emerge after the 13 originals.
(https://i.imgur.com/lLXBd8m.jpg)
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The four Thai Navy Seals (one medic) that stayed IN the cave with the boys since they were discovered. They monitored their health and prepped them for their dangerous escape, and were the last to emerge after the 13 originals.
(https://i.imgur.com/lLXBd8m.jpg)
Heroes -- all.
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The four Thai Navy Seals (one medic) that stayed IN the cave with the boys since they were discovered. They monitored their health and prepped them for their dangerous escape, and were the last to emerge after the 13 originals.
If Thailand has a Mount Rushmore ...........
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These Thai forces, trained with and by the US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_Demolition_Assault_Unit
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Heroes -- all.
Yes . Bless them. And thanks
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The four Thai Navy Seals (one medic) that stayed IN the cave with the boys since they were discovered. They monitored their health and prepped them for their dangerous escape, and were the last to emerge after the 13 originals.
(https://i.imgur.com/lLXBd8m.jpg)
Wow! God BLESS them!
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An honor guard holds up a picture of Samarn Kunan, 38, the diver who died, as family members mourn.
(https://i.redd.it/lac4dlm527911.jpg)
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Another hero. May God give Samarn Kunan rest and comfort to his family.