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Double explosion in the departure hall. Terror alert in Belgium raised to maximum.
http://abcnews.go.com/Live?stream=2
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Fox News @FoxNews 10s10 seconds ago
BREAKING: Explosion reported at Metro subway station in central Brussels
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Zee News @ZeeNews 3m3 minutes ago
LIVE: Shots fired, Arabic shouted before Brussels airport explosions; 11 people reported dead
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/live-two-explosions-rock-brussels-airport-smoke-seen-rising-from-building_1868322.html …
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The Telegraph @Telegraph 1m1 minute ago
Brussels airport explosions: Third bomb 'found on runway'. More to follow.
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euronews Retweeted
Catherine Hardy @fernojay 4m4 minutes ago
What we know:
'several dead', multiple injuries after 2 explosions at airport
Explosion at Maelbeek Metro
Explosion at Schuman EU station
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FRANCE 24 @FRANCE24 5s5 seconds ago
Toutes les stations de métro sont fermées / Explosion à la station #Maelbeek http://f24.my/YTliveFR #Bruxelles
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Report UK @ReportUK 2m2 minutes ago
Brussels Airport explosions 11 dead, 24 injured after blast at American Airlines desk http://goo.gl/0icvjK
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http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
I don't have the bandwidth to watch livestreams.
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Metro @MetroUK 3m3 minutes ago
Explosions heard at three Metro stations in Brussels
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/22/brussels-airport-blasts-explosions-heard-at-three-metro-stations-5766996/ …
I'm pausing updating for 30 minutes unless a fresh incident happens. Too much confusion right now.
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euronews Retweeted
Catherine Hardy @fernojay 48s48 seconds ago
VRT broadcaster reports airport blast was "a suicide bomber" , not confirmed, presser due at 10am, @euronews covering live
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At Least 1 Dead, Many Injured, in Terror Attack at Brussels Airport
(Update: Belgian media reporting possible attack at subway station near EU headquarters.)
.BRUSSELS (AP) — At least one person was killed when two explosions ripped through the departure hall at Brussels airport Tuesday, police said. All flights were canceled, arriving planes were being diverted and Belgium's terror alert level was raised to maximum, officials said.
"One person has died and perhaps there are several more," said a police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the situation was developing.
The explosions hit at the middle of the busiest time at the airport, which serves the city that is the capital of the 28-nation European Union. NATO is also headquartered in the region.
Smoke was seen billowing out of the terminal after Tuesday's morning's blasts.
Amateur video shown on France's i-Tele television showed passengers including a child running with a backpack dashing out of the terminal different directions as they tugged luggage, Another image showed a security officer patroling inside a hall with blasted paneling and what appears to be ceiling insulation covering the floor.
"There were two blasts in the departure hall. First aid team are in place for help," airport spokeswoman Anke Fransen said
Passengers were led onto the tarmac and the crisis center urged people not to come to the airport.
The explosions happened only days after the prime suspect in the Paris attacks Salah Abdeslam was arrested in Brussels.
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Angela Charlton in Paris contributed
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Source URL: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/police-say-least-one-dead-and-many-injured-after-two-explosions-brussels-airport
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Anna Ahronheim @AAhronheim 18m18 minutes ago
Update: At least 4 explosions at different metro stations across the city--- #Brussles fire dept
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RT Verified account @RT_com 2m2 minutes ago
MORE: Security alert raising in London, Frankfurt, Paris & other EU cities after #Brussels attacks http://on.rt.com/77nz
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Frankfurt airport on high alert after Brussels explosions
A police officer stands by check-in desks at Frankfurt airport. File photo: DPA
http://www.thelocal.de/20160322/germany-tightens-airport-controls-after-brussels-explosions
Published: 22 Mar 2016 09:28 GMT+01:00
Updated: 22 Mar 2016 10:09 GMT+01:00
German federal police are tightening security at the country's largest airport in Frankfurt following two explosions at Brussels airport.
Officers have been placed on high alert and additional patrols ordered for sensitive areas, broadcaster n-tv reported early on Tuesday.
A federal police spokeswoman told The Local that they were still evaluating the situation following the explosions in Brussels and would give details of security measures at other airports as soon as possible.
One The Local reader reported increased police presence at Cologne airport on Tuesday morning.
.@TheLocalGermany At #CGN visibly larger police presence as well as of now. #Brussels #Cologne
— G. Shurkhovetskyy (@shurkhovetskyy) 22. März 2016
Federal police were also unable to comment on whether security would be increased on local transport services in German cities after explosions were also reported on the Brussels metro system at the Maalbeek, Schuman and Arts-Loi stations.
La RTBF confirme les explosions aux stations Arts-loi, Maelbeek (gouvernement belge) et Schuman (Union européenne)
— Vivien Vergnaud (@Vergnaud) March 22, 2016
A spokeswoman for the Berlin police told The Local that security measures on public transport were already at a high level and were constantly adjusted to the security situation.
Just arrived at Schuman station after walking on the tracks. pic.twitter.com/4xc0YCQmIv
— Evan Lamos (@evanlamos) 22. März 2016
Area around Maelbeek metro sealed off, I can see 4 ambulances, 1 fire engine. pic.twitter.com/xFmMBqcVdZ
— Jennifer Rankin (@JenniferMerode) March 22, 2016
Two explosions in airport
Brussels airport confirmed that there had been two explosions shortly after 8am and warned passengers not to come to the airport, which would be closed until further notice.
Belgian police confirmed that at least one person died and several were injured in the blasts.
Picture of Airport Zaventem #Brussels after the attack pic.twitter.com/pbolw99pfz
— Lammert de Bruin (@lammert) 22. März 2016
However other unconfirmed reports say as many as 11 could have been killed. One witness said children were among the injured.
Bomb explosion at Brussel airport. Apparent terrorist activity. Airport is on lockdown and being evacuated. pic.twitter.com/nPRbdzFQdO
— Taa Wongbe (@twongbe) 22. März 2016
Belgian authorities have implemented their emergency response plan and the terror alert has been raised to its maximum level.
The city has since gone into lock-down with the capital's Metro system closed down and unconfirmed reports the main train station has been evacuated.
A section of the airport's roof is believed to have collapsed amid the explosions, one of which is believed to have occurred in the departure lounge.
echt #wtf daar in #zaventem :-( pic.twitter.com/2AGTBBA0xs
— ward markey (@wardmarkey) 22. März 2016
Images and videos showed smoke rising above the airport while passengers fled in panic. Other images showed injured passengers lying on the ground, some covered in blood, with their clothes ripped off in the explosion.
The cause of the explosions is unknown, but they come at a time when the Belgium capital is on high alert for terror attacks after the arrest of Salah Abdeslam, the chief suspect in the Paris November attacks.
One witness named David Crunelle told L'Express newspaper: "I heard two distinct explosions about three seconds apart. They occurred near the international check-in desks for flights to the United States.
"After the explosion, everything became dark. There was a lot of smoke but no flames. There was no movement of panic but people began to get out of the airport straight away.
"I saw at least six people severely injured, including children. There are a lot of people lightly injured, covered in blood. Many are crying," he said.
Many ambulances arrive at the Airport. Passengers from Terminal A waiting outside, Police checks building. pic.twitter.com/DL3YoGFV0M
— Katrin Kuntz (@katrinkuntz) March 22, 2016
Condolences from Germany
German leaders were quick to react on social media to the Brussels attacks.
Schockierende Nachrichten aus #Brüssel. Das sind einfach barbarische Taten. Unsere Mitgefühl gilt den Familien und Freunden der Opfer.
— Heiko Maas (@HeikoMaas) 22. März 2016
"Shocking news from Brussels. These are simply barbaric acts. Our sympathy goes to the families and friends of the victims," Justice Minister Heiko Maas tweeted.
Wir hören von weiteren Explosionen hier in der Brüsseler Innenstadt. Beunruhigend. Wir bleiben erstmal in den Gebäuden.
— Simone Peter (@peter_simone) March 22, 2016
Green Party leader Simone Peter was in Brussels at the time of the attacks and said she was sheltering indoors. The situation was "upsetting", she said.
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Reported suicide bomber at Brussels airport. Death toll reported at 23 now in possible 5 explosions.
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Sky News Australia Verified account @SkyNewsAust 4m4 minutes ago
Belgian media reporting three unused suicide belts were found inside #Brussels airport.
UNCONFIRMED.
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Damn
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Sputnik Verified account @SputnikInt 7m7 minutes ago
BREAKING Bomb Disposal techs safely detonate another bomb in #Brussels http://sptnkne.ws #BrusselsAttack
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Words cannot express my anger at these evil creatures. :nometalk:
Brussels Airport and Metro Explosions Kill at Least 16: Officials
by Cassandra Vinograd, David Wyllie and Alastair Jamieson
NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/brussels-airport-metro-explosions-kill-least-16-n543086)
At least 16 people were killed Tuesday after explosions rocked the check-in zone of Brussels Airport and the Belgian capital's subway.
Officials raised the terror threat level, shut down all public transport in the city and advised locals to stay indoors after what appeared to be coordinated attacks.
Belgium's federal prosecutor said one of at least two explosions at the airport was likely caused by a suicide bomber. Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel added that it was "dark moment for our country."
Authorities confirmed an explosion at Maalbeck metro station killed 15 people and injured 55 others. At least 1 fatality ocurred at the airport, federal police told NBC News. Belgium's Le Soir and La Libre put the death toll there at around a dozen but NBC News was no immediately able to verify those reports.
Passengers fled the airport's departures hall after the first incident around 8 a.m. local time (3 a.m. ET).
Pictures from the smoky terminal showed bloodied victims, shattered glass and debris.
"There are several dead and wounded but we can't say how many at this point," a federal police spokesman said.
A security source told NBC News that one of the airport explosions happened near check-in desk four in Departure Hall 1, which is used by international carriers including American Airlines.
Eyewitness Jef Versele was heading on a business trip to Rome when he heard an explosion.
"Soon after that one a second one hit — and everything came down," he told NBC News. "There was dust everywhere, glass everywhere there was chaos. There were people on the floor everywhere. The roofing came down. It was quite a mess."
Roads and public transportation leading to the airport were shut and incoming flights were diverted.
Scenes from the subway explosion showed smoke pouring out of the station — which is located near European Union institution buildings. Images posted on social media showed injured people receiving medical treatment on the sidewalk outside.
Michael Ryan, head of the EU delegation to Rwanda, was coming up the escalator at another station just a few hundred feet away when he felt a "soft boom."
"The air pressure from the explosion went up the line and rattled everything," he told NBC News. "Everything is tense here."
All trains, planes, trams and buses were halted in Brussels. The main Midi train station was evacuated.
Sunita Van Heers had come to the train station after seeing the metro was on lockdown. Then police evacuated the station.
"Everybody started panicking, crying, not knowing what was happening," she said, describing how police ordered people away from the station. "It's scary."
The rapidly unfolding crisis caused cellphone networks in Brussels to jam, with officials urging people to use WhatsApp or Twitter because the networks were becoming saturated.
The incident comes amid a flurry of counterterrorism activity in the Belgian capital.
A raid in Brussels on Friday captured Europe's most wanted man — Salah Abdeslam, suspected Paris terror attacks plotter and aborted suicide attacker.
Abdeslam was taken into custody along with several others. His capture has been seen as a potential goldmine of information for intelligence services — if he cooperates.
he 26-year-old and several of the attackers who laid siege to Paris on Nov. 13 had ties to Belgium.
On Monday, officials named another potential suspect and asked for public assistance in locating him.
Belgium's foreign minister said following Abdeslam's arrest that the suspect had been planning to "restart something" in Brussels — the suggestion of a new attack that was taken all the more seriously given the large amounts of heavy weapons found during his arrest.
There was no formal claim of responsibility for Tuesday's blasts — and one senior European counter-terrorism official told NBC News that authorities were scrambling to determine who was behind the assault.
"We have no clue yet," the official told NBC News. "Right now, we are trying to mount a defense."
Versele added: "A lot of people were in panic. I saw a lot of blood, a lot of people were injured. People were crying, on the floor, covered by parts of the roofing. I saw a lot of leg injuries, a lot of people couldn't move anymore. There were quite a lot of people injured. In the departure hall — you saw people storming out, it was like run for your life."
Live updates (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/belgium-attacks-latest-updates-deadly-explosions-n543131)
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Latest reports say 28 dead.
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Dozens feared dead as bombs rock Brussels airport and metro station
#BrusselsAttacks
Reports say 26 killed and many injured in blasts at Zaventem airport and Maalbeek station, days after Paris attacks suspect arrested in city
Injured passengers at the Zaventem airport (Source: Facebook/Ketevan Kardava)
Peter Allen
Last update:
Tuesday 22 March 2016 12:03 UTC
BRUSSELS - Dozens of people are feared dead and many more injured as multiple blasts rocked an airport and metro station in Brussels on Tuesday, days after the arrest in the city of a key suspect in the Paris suicide attacks of last year.
Belgium's prime minister Charles Michel said: 'What we feared has happened, we were hit by blind, cowardly attacks. We know there are many dead, many injured."
Two "enormous" explosions ripped through Zaventem airport, while a blast at Maalbeek metro station later destroyed a train carriage.
Local broadcaster VRT quoted a prosecutor as saying 11 people were killed and 35 injured at Zaventem, while 15 were reported killed and 55 injured at Maalbeek, although those figures have not been confirmed by the government.
The chaos began at 8am local time on Tuesday, when two explosions - the first believed to have been a suicide attack - tore through Zaventem's check-in area.
The first blast reportedly sent panicking travellers towards a second, larger explosion that brought down ceilings and sent a thick plume of smoke into the sky.
About an hour later, a blast hit an underground train at Maalbeek metro station during the rush period. Pictures on social media showed a gutted train carriage, and a police officer told the AFP news agency: "There are wounded, There are dead. I don't know how many."
A witness at Maalbeek said: "We felt an explosion which appeared to come from the front of the train. There was a lot of smoke. The glass doors were blown out. The explosion must have been enormous."
Local reports suggested suicide bombers linked to Salah Abdeslam, who was arrested on Friday in Brussels over the Islamic State group's attacks in Paris last November, which killed 130 people.
Images and video on social media showed people fleeing from Zaventem, and others injured in the check-in area.
One airport witness said: "I saw people lying on the ground covered in blood who were not moving. At least six or seven people's legs were crushed. A lot of people lost limbs."
Airport baggage security officer Alphonse Lyoura told the AFP news agency: "A man shouted a few words in Arabic and then I heard a huge blast."
Zach Mouzoun, who had arrived at the airport just before the blasts, told France's BFM television the second explosion brought down ceilings and ruptured pipes.
"It was atrocious," he said. "There was blood everywhere, injured people, bags everywhere. We were walking in the debris. It was a war scene."
Belga also reported that shots had been heard after the blasts, although this was not confirmed by Belgian authorities. All flights in and out of the airport were halted.
One airport employee told broadcaster VRT: "I was on a break and heard and felt a big explosion and saw a plume of smoke. The windows are completely shattered. People went outside in shock."
The explosions on Tuesday prompted authorities to increase security at airports and transport hubs across western Europe.
Belgium's national crisis centre said all metro stations, trains and public transport systems were being shut down in Brussels, and urged people to stay at home.
The country's interior minister, Jan Jambon, said on Monday that the country was on high alert for a possible revenge attack following the capture of 26-year-old Abdeslam.
"We know that stopping one cell can ... push others into action. We are aware of it in this case."
- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/brussels-airport-rocked-two-explosions-770256442#sthash.rtwEB3NN.dpuf
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More Islamic terrorism. Which sadly points out the lunacy of bringing unvetted Muslims into the United States until a consensus is reached on how to deal with the potential for terrorists slipping in with refugees.
Obama and Clinton want to increase the numbers of Syrian refugees relocated here. That's a suicidial policy. And that's one of the reasons why Donald Trump is leading. His proposal of halting Muslim refugee relocation to the United States until we can figure out what's going on makes sense to millions of commonsense conservatives like me.
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Brussels is now 25.5% Muslim. How does that happen? And that is a rhetorical question.
Once a beautiful city full of culture, and a very low crime rate, is now a hell hole, and a very dangerous place to live. I heard from an American who has lived there for the last 8 years that European women don't go out after dark in Brussels because of cars full of North Africans than that drive around like vultures looking for women to kidnap and rape, and even disappear forever sold into slavery. Just a nightmare.
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When I saw this news this morning my first thought was the terror attacks of 1985 at two other European airports:
The Rome and Vienna airport attacks were two major terrorist attacks carried out on 27 December 1985. Seven Arab terrorists attacked two airports in Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria with assault rifles and hand grenades. Nineteen civilians were killed and over a hundred others were injured before four of the terrorists were killed by El-Al Security personnel and local police, who captured the remaining three. ...
More at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_and_Vienna_airport_attacks).
I last visited Brussels in 1983 and always wanted to return. However, it's not the same city anymore.
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More Islamic terrorism. Which sadly points out the lunacy of bringing unvetted Muslims into the United States until a consensus is reached on how to deal with the potential for terrorists slipping in with refugees.
Obama and Clinton want to increase the numbers of Syrian refugees relocated here. That's a suicidial policy. And that's one of the reasons why Donald Trump is leading. His proposal of halting Muslim refugee relocation to the United States until we can figure out what's going on makes sense to millions of commonsense conservatives like me.
Very valid and correct observation, my friend. I would hope that no one here makes this thread about anything (or anyone) other than the horror in Belgium specifically, and the world in general.
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MSNBC just blamed Donald Trump. Can't stand the man but that is just stupid.
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I hope we, unlike MSNBC, can keep our focus on actual facts and leave the candidates out of it! **nononono*
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I hope we, unlike MSNBC, can keep our focus on actual facts and leave the candidates out of it! **nononono*
Yes, please.
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I hope we, unlike MSNBC, can keep our focus on actual facts and leave the candidates out of it! **nononono*
Pray tell, where is one allowed to make a comment relevant to both event? The horrendous attack in Brussels with a nexus to the presidential candidates?
Where do I fill out my application to make that comment?
It's lunacy to restrict people's comments.
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No one's restricting comments, AC. I just think we should keep the focus of this thread on what happened in Belgium. There are plenty of other places to focus on and discuss how it relates to the US presidential campaign. Maybe in the politics category we can post the reactions of American politicians to the attacks, for starters. Here are Trump's comments, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504222/Donald-Trump-comments-Brussels-terror-attacks-hours-suicide-bombings-saying-city-no-longer-beautiful-safe-vigilant-smart.html) which might be posted in Politics.
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Sorry, just turned on MSNBC and someone was on in the background blathering about how our "language in the Presidential campaign encourages these events".
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No one's restricting comments, AC. I just think we should keep the focus of this thread on what happened in Belgium. There are plenty of other places to focus on and discuss how it relates to the US presidential campaign. Maybe in the politics category we can post the reactions of American politicians to the attacks, for starters.
Thank you, I appreciate your suggestions. I hope I didn't take up too much space here. Carry on.
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We'll probably need an entire section of the forum for the many ways MSNBC twists the narrative. Bomb attack in Brussels? Trump's fault!
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dpa international
@dpa_intl
#BREAKING: Belgian nuclear plant near border with Germany evacuated - Belga news agency.
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Monsters.
They are destroying Europe.
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dpa international
@dpa_intl
#BREAKING: Belgian nuclear plant near border with Germany evacuated - Belga news agency.
Most likely just a precautionary evacuation. I pray so anyway.
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John Schindler
@20committee
WHOA: Russian media claims 3 Brussels attackers are #ISIS fighters + citizens of Belarus (1 of Dagestani origin) https://lenta.ru/news/2016/03/22/russian/ …
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Some background on the terrorist attacks:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mitchprothero/belgian-authorities-overwhelmed-by-terror-investigations?utm_term=.bkWnrPkMg#.eomwMW7KZ
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Brussels is now 25.5% Muslim. How does that happen? And that is a rhetorical question.
Once a beautiful city full of culture, and a very low crime rate, is now a hell hole, and a very dangerous place to live. I heard from an American who has lived there for the last 8 years that European women don't go out after dark in Brussels because of cars full of North Africans than that drive around like vultures looking for women to kidnap and rape, and even disappear forever sold into slavery. Just a nightmare.
Armed stake out units,but sadly the Belgiums don't have the balls
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Let's leave Donald Trump out of this, please. It has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the failures of Obama and liberalism/progressivism in general.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504151/Armed-police-arrest-two-men-hunt-Brussels-terrorists-Security-services-CCTV-airport-suicide-killer-captured-bombs-detonated.html
Hunt for Brussels terrorists: Armed police arrest two men but more suspects are on the run as it’s revealed security services already have CCTV of bombers
CCTV from Brussels airport said to show moment 14 people were killed
Britain and United States will use 'unique expertise' to help trace terror cell
Belgian Foreign Ministry say some terrorists involved are 'still at large'
Armed police have arrested two men in dramatic stand-off in city centre
Suspect held on Amsterdam and suspect package found in Paris station
See more of the latest news updates on the Brussels terrorist attacks
By Martin Robinson, Uk Chief Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 07:01 EST, 22 March 2016 | Updated: 08:51 EST, 22 March 2016
Armed police have arrested two men and already have CCTV of one of the Brussels airport bombers including the moment he detonated his suicide belt, MailOnline can reveal.
Every space in the city's airport is covered by four CCTV cameras, including the arrivals hall where at least 14 were killed and 35 were seriously injured.
Maelbeek station's surveillance network is also being used to pinpoint the moment that 20 people were murdered and 55 were maimed 79 minutes later
The Belgian Foreign Ministry has confirmed they believe some of the terrorists involved are 'still at large'.
Minutes later two suspects were held at gunpoint at Brussels North railway a mile from Maelbeek subway. It is not yet known if they were linked to the bombings.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504151/Armed-police-arrest-two-men-hunt-Brussels-terrorists-Security-services-CCTV-airport-suicide-killer-captured-bombs-detonated.html#ixzz43dp9qbJV
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html
Chilling footage shows moment terrified passengers cower under desks and run for their lives after suicide bomb blasts rock Brussels Airport in series of attacks that killed 34 across the city
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503928/Two-explosions-heard-Brussels-Airport.html#ixzz43dqOhbhf
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Brussels is a cesspool of radical Islamism. Europe is starting to reap what they sow.
If Obama and his ilk get their way it won't be long until we'll see American airports and subway stations under Islamist siege.
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Brussels is a cesspool of radical Islamism. Europe is starting to reap what they sow.
If Obama and his ilk get their way it won't be long until we'll see American airports and subway stations under Islamist siege.
Fourteen gunned down in San Bernardino is not much different.
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Fourteen gunned down in San Bernardino is not much different.
And Boston...
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Meanwhile back it Havana, Obama attends a baseball game with the Castro brothers, smoking a big Cuban Cigar, and wondering how his college basketball brackets are doing.
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BreakingIslamic State group claims responsibility
BBC Monitoring
Posted at 15:22
The so-called Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the Brussels attacks in a statement issued via its A'maq news agency.
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Fourteen gunned down in San Bernardino is not much different.
Point taken, but it seems the suicide vest bombers are especially insidious. If anyone other than the attackers had been armed in San Bernardino the gun attack may been forestalled and dropping a pipe-bomb loaded backpack onto a busy running route and vacating the area is easier to detect and prevent.
A Muslim sociopath walking up to an outdoor ticket/baggage carousel and detonating a bomb vest is a scary and effective terror tactic around the world.
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Horrible, just horrible.
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A Muslim sociopath walking up to an outdoor ticket/baggage carousel and detonating a bomb vest is a scary and effective terror tactic around the world.
Or into any US baseball or football stadium ... it would be so easy. **nononono*
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Point taken, but it seems the suicide vest bombers are especially insidious. If anyone other than the attackers had been armed in San Bernardino the gun attack may been forestalled and dropping a pipe-bomb loaded backpack onto a busy running route and vacating the area is easier to detect and prevent.
A Muslim sociopath walking up to an outdoor ticket/baggage carousel and detonating a bomb vest is a scary and effective terror tactic around the world.
Any psychopath will do. Remember McVeigh?
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'We stand in solidarity with Belgium': Obama addresses Brussels terror attack for less than one minute of his speech in Cuba as he faces increasing pressure to return home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504209/Obama-pressure-return-home-giving-40-minute-speech-Cuba-addressed-Brussels-terror-attack-just-one-minute.html
President Obama spent under a minute in today's speech in Cuba addressing the terrorist attacks that happened this morning in Brussels.
Obama said the 'thoughts and the prayers of the American people' are with the people of Belgium' today following the Brussels terrorist attacks that killed at least two dozen people today from Havana.
'We stand in solidarity with them in condemning these outrageous attacks against innocent people,' Obama said. 'We will do whatever is necessary to support our friend and ally Belgium in bringing to justice whoever is responsible and this is yet another reminder that the world must unite.'
He added, 'We must be together - regardless of nationality, or race, or faith - in fighting against the scourge of terrorism. We can and we will defeat those who threaten the safety and security of people all around the world.'
Obama is on foreign travel in Cuba and was hit by all three Republican presidential candidates for staying in the country instead of cutting his trip short and returning home.
He's attending a baseball game this afternoon, then continuing on to Argentina for two more days of events.
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'We stand in solidarity with Belgium': Obama addresses Brussels terror attack for less than one minute of his speech in Cuba as he faces increasing pressure to return home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504209/Obama-pressure-return-home-giving-40-minute-speech-Cuba-addressed-Brussels-terror-attack-just-one-minute.html
Yeah........... less than one minute.
Par for the course for our Communist in Chief, Muslim sympathizer, slacker "president"...................
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Yeah........... less than one minute.
Par for the course for our Communist in Chief, Muslim sympathizer, slacker "president"...................
We do agree on this!
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The only difference between Islam and Nazism is that the Nazi's are far more civilized.
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We do agree on this!
We agree on a LOT of things, flowers! :beer:
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still looking for the guy in the tan jacket
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Last two terrorist attacks in the United States were carried out by Muslim refugees.
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The only difference between Islam and Nazism is that the Nazi's are far more civilized.
Nonsense.
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58 minutes ago
France: 'We are at war,' as Islamic State claims deadly attacks in Brussels
By Lorne Cook and John-Thor Dahlburg
http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/france-we-are-at-war-as-islamic-state-claims-deadly-attacks-in-brussels-1.400424
Associated Press
Published: March 22, 2016
BRUSSELS — Bombs exploded Tuesday at the Brussels airport and in the city's subway, killing at least 31 people and wounding dozens, as a European capital was again locked down amid heightened security threats. The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attacks.
The two airport blasts, at least one of them blamed on a suicide bomber, left behind a chaotic scene of splattered blood in the departure lounge as windows were blown out, ceilings collapsed and travelers streamed out of the smoky building.
About an hour later, another bomb exploded on a rush-hour subway train near the European Union headquarters. Terrified passengers had to evacuate through darkened tunnels to safety.
"What we feared has happened," Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel told reporters. "In this time of tragedy, this black moment for our country, I appeal to everyone to remain calm but also to show solidarity."
Belgium raised its terror alert to the highest level, diverting planes and trains and ordering people to stay where they were for most of the workday. Airports across Europe immediately tightened security.
"We are at war," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said after a crisis meeting in Paris. "We have been subjected for the last few months in Europe to acts of war."
Added French President Francois Hollande: "Terrorists struck Brussels, but it was Europe that was targeted, and it is all the world which is concerned by this."
European security officials have been bracing for a major attack for weeks, and warned that the Islamic State group was actively preparing to strike. The arrest Friday of Salah Abdeslam, a key suspect in the November attacks in Paris, heightened those fears, as investigators said many more people were involved than originally thought and that some are still on the loose.
The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the Brussels attacks, saying in a posting on the group's Amaq news agency that its extremists opened fire in the airport and "several of them" detonated suicide belts. It said another suicide attacker struck in the subway.
The posting claimed the attack was in response to Belgium's support of the international coalition arrayed against the group.
Police found and neutralized a third bomb at the airport once the chaos after the two initial blasts had eased, said Florence Muls, a spokeswoman for the airport told The Associated Press. Bomb squads also detonated suspicious objects found in at least two locations elsewhere in the capital, but neither contained explosives, authorities said.
Michel said there was no immediate evidence linking the attacks with Abdeslam. After his arrest, Abdeslam told authorities he had created a new network and was planning new attacks.
U.S. President Barack Obama pledged to "do whatever is necessary" to help Belgian authorities seek justice.
"We stand in solidarity with them in condemning these outrageous attacks against innocent people," Obama said in Havana, where he was closing a three-day visit.
Western Europe has lived for decades under the threat of violence from homegrown nationalist and revolutionary movements. Muslim extremists from North Africa and the Middle East have attacked civilian targets without warning, ranging from France's 1960s war in Algeria through Libya's 1988 downing of an airline over Scotland to the 2004-05 attacks on the public transportation systems of London and Madrid.
Certain neighborhoods in Brussels, like the Molenbeek quarter, have bred extremists and supplied foreign fighters. Plotters linked to the Paris attacks and others have either moved through or lived in parts of the city.
Tuesday's explosions at the airport in the Brussels suburb of Zaventem came shortly after 8 a.m., one of its busiest periods. Belgian Health Minister Maggie de Block said 11 people were killed and 81 wounded. Eleven people had serious injuries, Marc Decramer of the Gasthuisberg hospital in Leuven told broadcaster VTM. The nails apparently came from one of the bombs.
Zach Mouzoun, who arrived on a flight from Geneva about 10 minutes before the first blast, told BFM television that the second, louder explosion brought down ceilings and ruptured pipes, mixing water with victims' blood.
"It was atrocious. The ceilings collapsed," he said. "There was blood everywhere, injured people, bags everywhere."
"We were walking in the debris. It was a war scene," he said.
Video taken moments after the explosions showed travelers huddled next to airport check-in counters and lying near luggage and trolleys as dust and the cries of the wounded filled the air. Dazed people stumbled from the scene, some with clothes and shoes blown off.
Anthony Deloos, an airport worker for Swissport, which handles check-in and baggage services, said the first explosion took place near the Swissport counters where customers pay for overweight baggage. He and a colleague said the second blast hit near a Starbucks cafe.
"I jumped into a luggage chute to be safe," Deloos said.
The subway bombing came after 9 a.m., killing 20 people and wounding more than 100, Mayor Yvan Majeur said.
"The metro was leaving Maelbeek station for Schuman when there was a really loud explosion," said Alexandre Brans, 32, wiping blood from his face. "It was panic everywhere. There were a lot of people in the metro."
Near the entrance to the station, rescue workers set up a makeshift medical treatment center in a pub. Dazed and shocked morning commuters streamed from the metro entrances as police tried to set up a security cordon.
The airport was ordered closed for the rest of the day and CEO Arnaud Feist said the facility would be closed all of Wednesday and perhaps even longer. More than 200 flights to Brussels were diverted or canceled, according to flight tracking service Flightradar24.
The metro also was ordered closed as the city was locked down. By the end of the workday, city officials said residents could begin moving around on the streets of the capital and train stations were reopening. But Peter Mertens of the Belgian crisis center said the threat of more attacks "is still real and serious."
At least one and possibly two Kalashnikovs were found in the departure lounge at the airport, according to a European security official in contact with a Belgian police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the ongoing investigation. It was not immediately clear whether the firearms were used in the attacks.
Travelers fled the airport as quickly as they could. In video shown on France's i-Tele television, men, women and children dashed from the terminal in different directions. Security officers patrolled a hall with blown-out paneling and ceiling panels covering the floor.
Marc Noel, 63, was about to board a Delta flight to Atlanta, to return to his home in Raleigh, North Carolina. A Belgian native, Noel said he was in an airport shop buying automotive magazines when the first blast struck about 50 yards away.
"People were crying, shouting — children. It was a horrible experience," he said, adding that his decision to shop might have saved his life. "I would probably have been in that place when the bomb went off."
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Muslim refugees cannot assimilate into the host country when they are brought in in large numbers and in a short period. They group together and cling to their old culture under that scenario. Nor is Muslim culture compatible with western values under that scenario. Wake up and put away the dangerous, liberal left, politically correct mindset.
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At war. Really? They've already figured it out? Since the war in Kuwait all the world has done is fight muzzies and they have already come to the conclusion we are war with them! What are the French going to do? Paste pictures of DeGaulle everywhere to scare the muzzies? Whenever I hear the French make that kind of statement all I picture is Nazis goosestepping by the Arc de Triomphe.
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Muslim refugees cannot assimilate into the host country when they are brought in in large numbers and in a short period. They group together and cling to their old culture under that scenario. Nor is Muslim culture compatible with western values under that scenario. Wake up and put away the dangerous, liberal left, politically correct mindset.
What about visitors coming to see the sights? What about tourists from Australia who also happen to be Muslim?
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Terror Attack in Brussels: Due to Political Correctness & Lack of Leadership?
Posted On Mar 22 2016
By : Kimberly Klacik
Politichicks (http://politichicks.com/2016/03/terror-attack-in-brussels-due-to-political-correctness-lack-of-leadership/)Was this another “setback”, Mr. President? As we recall, after the Paris Attacks, the president claimed those killed one by one in the Bataclan theatre was just a hinderance–considering he had ISIS “contained” at the time.
President Obama might need to let the terrorists know they’re “contained” because on Tuesday a suicide bomber made a beeline to American Airlines’ ticket counter in Brussels’ airport.
Belgium police were reportedly warned about a “revenge attack” due to the recent arrest of Saleh Abdeslam, a terrorist connected to the France hit in November 2015. It is not clear if there is a link, but to wake to a modestly secured airport in Brussels under attack just 4 days later, would be an immense coincidence.
So often we witness coordinated attacks succeed with the assistance of cell phones, social media, and careful planning. You wouldn’t be human if you didn’t question our intelligence in these sort of situations. Is the federal government ahead of the curve? Today’s terrorists are young and tech savvy. Terrorist groups are advising members about online anonymity and avoiding intercepts. Besides our resources, do we have ample access to Arab intel? Or is that commonsense that borders political correctness and we try to remain on the outskirts to avoid offending certain races?
The Boston bombers were questioned by the FBI long before their horrific attack on American soil. Yet, the local police had no idea. Another question, do we have a jazzy, Obamacare website now totaling over $2 billion dollars, yet no database keeping local police informed on FBI investigations? Keeping tabs on suspected terrorist may cost less than the administration’s projected price of $394 million to insure those at the expense of others.
Knowing the US is the number one target for ISIS, the above simple questions may bring fear to the average citizen just trying to pay their taxes to keep others above water. Sure racial profiling is wrong, but is it immoral to profile based on someone’s interactions, criminal history, or ideology? When will leadership face the reality that many countries, including the US is under attack? I believe the first step is commonly no longer being in denial.
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Ezra Levant Verified account
@ezralevant
Think AgainTurn Away Official U.S. government Twitter account. ISIS must be laughing.
Think AgainTurn Away Verified account
@ThinkAgain_DOS
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#Brussels #UnitedAgainstTerrorism
Yes, this is a real thing. The US Department of State has twitter (https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS) and facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ThinkAgainTurnAway) accounts called "think again turn away." Their mission? "Our mission is to expose the facts about terrorists and their propaganda. Don’t be misled by those who break up families and destroy their true heritage." Thank goodness for that picture of hands overlaid with Belgium's colors. The terrorists are on the run now!
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I am tired of bathing everything in colors after such horror.
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Meaningless gestures.
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/22/21/32774A5D00000578-3504209-U_S_Rep_Nancy_Pelosi_attends_the_exposition_game_between_the_Tam-a-35_1458682627631.jpg)
U.S. Rep Nancy Pelosi, center, attends the exposition game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Cuban national team at the Estado Latinoamericano. To her left is Democratic Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro
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Yes, this is a real thing. The US Department of State has twitter (https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS) and facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ThinkAgainTurnAway) accounts called "think again turn away." Their mission? "Our mission is to expose the facts about terrorists and their propaganda. Don’t be misled by those who break up families and destroy their true heritage." Thank goodness for that picture of hands overlaid with Belgium's colors. The terrorists are on the run now!
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Nine Americans injured in Brussels terror attack including three Mormon missionaries, a US Air Force lieutenant colonel and five members of his family
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504503/Brussels-attack-leaves-three-American-Mormon-missionaries-injured.html
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints confirmed three U.S. citizens had been caught up in the blast at Brussels airport
Were named as Richard Norby, 66, Joseph Empey, 20, and Mason Wells, 19
The trio from Utah were serving in Paris just before the deadly attacks
They were at the airport accompanying another missionary who was about to take a flight back to the United States
US Military officials later confirmed an armed forces member was hurt
He has been revealed as a Lieutenant Colonel assigned with NATO
State Department are trying to determine whether any other Americans were caught up in the blasts that have left at least 34 people dead
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U.S. Rep Nancy Pelosi, center, attends the exposition game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Cuban national team at the Estado Latinoamericano. To her left is Democratic Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro
Also on the trip, Mooch, her daughters and her mother. Los cubanos are wondering if there arem't any attractive US women at all.
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Also on the trip, Mooch, her daughters and her mother. Los cubanos are wondering if there arem't any attractive US women at all.
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Also on the trip, Mooch, her daughters and her mother. Los cubanos are wondering if there arem't any attractive US women at all.
So was Derek Jeter and Joe Torre. Susan Rice. John Kerry.
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Yes, this is a real thing. The US Department of State has twitter (https://twitter.com/ThinkAgain_DOS) and facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ThinkAgainTurnAway) accounts called "think again turn away." Their mission? "Our mission is to expose the facts about terrorists and their propaganda. Don’t be misled by those who break up families and destroy their true heritage." Thank goodness for that picture of hands overlaid with Belgium's colors. The terrorists are on the run now!
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How long before we see that as an overlay on a facebook picture?
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Posted this here once before but today's events demand that I do it again!
Here in Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway. In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter.
I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do. I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful dialogue" with it. I just kill it. I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me. I just kill them.
I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one. I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.
Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family? Yes! And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
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aligncare wrote above:
"More Islamic terrorism. Which sadly points out the lunacy of bringing unvetted Muslims into the United States until a consensus is reached on how to deal with the potential for terrorists slipping in with refugees..."
This young woman would disagree:
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As would these, also:
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They have no clue, do they?
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They have no clue, do they?
No ac, they do not.
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Brussels attack suspects unmasked: the El Bakraoui brothers
The black glove-wearing suicide bombers who killed 14 people and maimed more than 100 at a Brussels airport were named by several Belgian newspapers and broadcasters as Khalid and Brahim El Bakraoui.
The third man seen wheeling heavy bags into the airport, wearing a goatee, spectacles and fishing hat was named by intelligence sources to local media as Najim Laachraoui, 24, a suspected Isil commander who made the suicide bombs used in the Paris outrage in November.
Khalid Bakraoui, 27, is suspected to have rented a house under a false name in the Forest suburb of Brussels which was raided by police last week in connection with the Paris attacks.
Mohamed Belkaid, a key member of the Paris plot who had accompanied Salah Abdeslam on a trip to Hungary and who transferred cash to the plot’s mastermind, was killed in the raid, and an Isil flag found next to him. Two men got away.
CCTV footage released by Belgian police of the suspectsCCTV footage released by Belgian police of the suspects
According to local media, both El Bakraoui brothers were known to the police.
In October 2010, Ibrahim was sentenced to nine years in prison for opening fire on police with a Kalashnikov rifle during an armed robbery on a stockbroker.
Khalid was sentenced to five years probation in February 2011 for car-jackings. He was found to have Kalashnikovs when arrested.
He is now one of Europe’s most wanted men who gave police the slip last year when he returned from Syria.
He was also in the car with Belkaid on the return trip from Hungary.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12201940/Brussels-attack-suspects-unmasked-the-El-Bakraoui-brothers.html
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euronews @euronews 23m23 minutes ago
A prime suspect in Tuesday’s #Brussels bombings, Najim Laachraoui, is arrested in Anderlecht, according to reports http://eurone.ws/ZQ6jp
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euronews @euronews 23m23 minutes ago
A prime suspect in Tuesday’s #Brussels bombings, Najim Laachraoui, is arrested in Anderlecht, according to reports http://eurone.ws/ZQ6jp
Good news.
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Best response I've seen:
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274014-belgian-authorities-identify-pair-of-brothers-as-brussels
March 23, 2016, 08:55 am
Brothers identified as Brussels attackers
By Harper Neidig
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Belgian authorities have identified two brothers as the suicide bombers who attacked the Brussels airport and subway on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press.
A Belgian prosecutor said that Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui were identified as two of the attackers. Another suicide bomber has not yet been named, and there is a suspect still at large.
Ibrahim El Bakraoui was one of the airport attackers, while Khalid was the lone bomber at Maelbeek subway station.
The attacks killed at least 31 people and wounded another 270.
The prosecutor also said that Ibrahim El Bakraoui left a will on a computer that was found in a trash can in the Brussels neighborhood of Schaerbeek. A note on the computer said that El Bakraoui was afraid to go to prison.
The attacker who is still on the run is believed to have planted a bomb at the airport before fleeing. That bomb was discovered and detonated by police, CNN reported.
After a picture of the three suspected airport attackers was released, a taxi driver came forward and told authorities that he believes he drove the men to the airport. He said that they would not allow him to help unload their luggage when they arrived.
The driver led the authorities to the neighborhood where he picked up the suspects. The police later found a nail bomb, chemicals and an ISIS flag during a search of a house in the area.
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When people lose their souls, it shows in their eyes.....
(What kind of parents raise TWO murderous sons??)
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aligncare wrote above:
"More Islamic terrorism. Which sadly points out the lunacy of bringing unvetted Muslims into the United States until a consensus is reached on how to deal with the potential for terrorists slipping in with refugees..."
This young woman would disagree:
(http://www.butac.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/tumblr_inline_o0wpm04Z1a1t7wpi8_500-341x512.jpg)
As would these, also:
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Idiots would not last 3 days in a muslim country
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When people lose their souls, it shows in their eyes.....
(What kind of parents raise TWO murderous sons??)
muslim parents do.
I see the apologists, even on this site... "Remember, it's not ALL muslims." "MOST muslims are good", etc.
Here is the reality. islam is filled with monsters. The conservative estimate is 10% of muslims are radicals. That's a LOT of radicals. So, if there are 1.5B muslims, there are 150M radicals. In addition, there are a significant number of sympathizers. Those that would never cut your throat, but really don't mind if their muslim radical friends do the job. Add to that the muslims who aren't really radical, don't really want radicals to do what they do, but are too afraid to say anything.
I can't put an accurate number on that, but it necessarily is a huge number of people. What do they all have in common? Yep, that's right, islam. It can be debated whether it's islam that is the cause, or if the religion has been hijacked, or whatever, the bottom line is, followers of islam have monsters in their midst.
When we fought Nazi Germany, we didn't say, be careful, only bomb or shoot Nazis. We didn't worry that most Germans were good, but that the Nazi element is what caused the war. I've seen it estimated that the percentage of Nazis in Germany was less than the percentage of radicals in islam. The only way to defeat this enemy is to identify the enemy and deal with it.
Perhaps it's time for peaceful muslims to make a choice? That seems to make more sense than forcing the rest of us to accommodate and continually acknowledge the good, peaceful religion that is islam, (it is neither in my opinion).
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muslim parents do.
I see the apologists, even on this site... "Remember, it's not ALL muslims." "MOST muslims are good", etc.
Here is the reality. islam is filled with monsters. The conservative estimate is 10% of muslims are radicals. That's a LOT of radicals. So, if there are 1.5B muslims, there are 150M radicals. In addition, there are a significant number of sympathizers. Those that would never cut your throat, but really don't mind if their muslim radical friends do the job. Add to that the muslims who aren't really radical, don't really want radicals to do what they do, but are too afraid to say anything.
I can't put an accurate number on that, but it necessarily is a huge number of people. What do they all have in common? Yep, that's right, islam. It can be debated whether it's islam that is the cause, or if the religion has been hijacked, or whatever, the bottom line is, followers of islam have monsters in their midst.
When we fought Nazi Germany, we didn't say, be careful, only bomb or shoot Nazis. We didn't worry that most Germans were good, but that the Nazi element is what caused the war. I've seen it estimated that the percentage of Nazis in Germany was less than the percentage of radicals in islam. The only way to defeat this enemy is to identify the enemy and deal with it.
Perhaps it's time for peaceful muslims to make a choice? That seems to make more sense than forcing the rest of us to accommodate and continually acknowledge the good, peaceful religion that is islam, (it is neither in my opinion).
What are you being forced to accommodate to? And where does the 10%-of-Muslims-are-radicals come from?
Here's an interesting chart:
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muslim parents do.
I see the apologists, even on this site... "Remember, it's not ALL muslims." "MOST muslims are good", etc.
Here is the reality. islam is filled with monsters. The conservative estimate is 10% of muslims are radicals. That's a LOT of radicals. So, if there are 1.5B muslims, there are 150M radicals. In addition, there are a significant number of sympathizers. Those that would never cut your throat, but really don't mind if their muslim radical friends do the job. Add to that the muslims who aren't really radical, don't really want radicals to do what they do, but are too afraid to say anything.
I can't put an accurate number on that, but it necessarily is a huge number of people. What do they all have in common? Yep, that's right, islam. It can be debated whether it's islam that is the cause, or if the religion has been hijacked, or whatever, the bottom line is, followers of islam have monsters in their midst.
When we fought Nazi Germany, we didn't say, be careful, only bomb or shoot Nazis. We didn't worry that most Germans were good, but that the Nazi element is what caused the war. I've seen it estimated that the percentage of Nazis in Germany was less than the percentage of radicals in islam. The only way to defeat this enemy is to identify the enemy and deal with it.
Perhaps it's time for peaceful muslims to make a choice? That seems to make more sense than forcing the rest of us to accommodate and continually acknowledge the good, peaceful religion that is islam, (it is neither in my opinion).
I know that my opinion on this subject will get me called an "apologist" for Islam, which I most decidedly am not, but if 10% of Muslims are terrorists and a large percentage more are sympathizers, that's still a far cry from "every Muslim is dangerous and will raise murderous sons."
Islam is a violent, evil 'religion' and I don't defend it at all, ever, but I do believe in the old children's song, "Jesus loves the little children, ALL the children of the world," and I don't believe it is right to hate an entire people group based on the religion they were born into.
I completely agree that it is time for MORE peaceful Muslims to speak up (some have, obviously), and I don't know if it's fear that keeps them from it, but until they do, there will be people who condemn them personally, and not just the religion they have.
(And I hope with your Nazi parallel, you weren't advocating killing all Muslims everywhere because we are in a global war with militant Islam).
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What are you being forced to accommodate to? And where does the 10%-of-Muslims-are-radicals come from?
Here's an interesting chart:
What does that chart have to do with it? Maybe what that chart means is that muslims make themselves known much more so than their actual numbers?
Accommodate? Really? You've not seen or heard of the multiple ways in which they demand their religion be accommodated? Desire for sharia law. Google it. Then draw a cartoon of muhammed with your real name attached, see how that works?
As for the 10% number, a quick google tells me that Pew pegs it at 13%.
"United States. A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam. A 2011 poll from Pew showed that 21 percent of Muslims are concerned about extremism among Muslim Americans.Nov 18, 2015"
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"The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world," said Brigette Gabriel, head of ACT! for America, in part, when asked by an American University head-scarf wearing law student about waging an ideological war with Muslims. "You're looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization," Gabriel added.
Is this figure accurate?
Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals. This number amounts to 125,000 people at RISK for radicalism, all of whom are certainly not radicals."
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please
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What does that chart have to do with it? Maybe what that chart means is that muslims make themselves known much more so than their actual numbers?
Accommodate? Really? You've not seen or heard of the multiple ways in which they demand their religion be accommodated? Desire for sharia law. Google it. Then draw a cartoon of muhammed with your real name attached, see how that works?
As for the 10% number, a quick google tells me that Pew pegs it at 13%.
"United States. A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam. A 2011 poll from Pew showed that 21 percent of Muslims are concerned about extremism among Muslim Americans.Nov 18, 2015"
Wow. So, of that 13%, how many are in the "often" category? How many in the "rarely" category? Big gap there, wouldn't you say, in terms of advocacy? And, notice that the poll doesn't draw any assumptions as to who is a "radical."
I have seen no reliable surveys that show anything but a handful of Muslims favoring the imposition of sharia law in the US. Most of those that do want that to apply to internal religious or disciplinary disputes within the Muslim community itself, not to the general population.
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/23/manhunt-on-for-belgian-bomb-maker-terrorists-idd-1-arrested-in-overnight-raids.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Bomb maker linked to Paris attack died in Brussels airport bombing, sources tell Fox News
Published March 23, 2016 FoxNews.com
The shadowy terrorist believed to have made the explosives used in Tuesday's attacks in Brussels and the November massacre in Paris was one of two suicide bombers who died at Zaventem Airport, sources told Fox News.
Morrocan-born Najim Laachraoui, 24, was identified by law enforcement sources as one of two Islamic terrorists seen pushing suitcase bombs and wearing single "dead man's hand" black gloves - in a surveillance photo. The gloves are believed to have hidden detonators. A third man seen in the photo is believed to have escaped the scene and is being hunted.
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Laachraoui is suspected of also making the bomb used in a blast 79 minutes later at a Brussels Metro station, as well as the explosives used to kill 130 in the the Nov. 13, 2015, attacks in Paris.
ISIS has claimed credit for Tuesday's carnage in Brussels.
The announcement came following a day of uncertainty regarding the explosives mastermind. Raids on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning uncovered his suspected factory, turning up bomb-making materials in a Schaerbeek apartment, including detonators, nails and 15 kilos of acetone peroxide, a highly unstable chemical which is favored by Islamists because it's easy to make. The chemical also was found in the explosives used in the Paris attack.
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I know that my opinion on this subject will get me called an "apologist" for Islam, which I most decidedly am not, but if 10% of Muslims are terrorists and a large percentage more are sympathizers, that's still a far cry from "every Muslim is dangerous and will raise murderous sons."
Islam is a violent, evil 'religion' and I don't defend it at all, ever, but I do believe in the old children's song, "Jesus loves the little children, ALL the children of the world," and I don't believe it is right to hate an entire people group based on the religion they were born into.
I completely agree that it is time for MORE peaceful Muslims to speak up (some have, obviously), and I don't know if it's fear that keeps them from it, but until they do, there will be people who condemn them personally, and not just the religion they have.
(And I hope with your Nazi parallel, you weren't advocating killing all Muslims everywhere because we are in a global war with militant Islam).
No, if I gave the impression that I advocated killing all muslims, that was a mistake. But I do advocate recognizing there is something fundamentally wrong within islam, and treating it's adherents with suspicion. I'd have no issue with viewing advocating sharia as subversion.
We can play whack a mole forever with these people. These are people who are so corrupt that they raise brothers who are willing to be suicide bombers. We can keep doing what we're doing, and try to welcome them all on the basis that only some of them are bad, or we can acknowledge islam is the problem.
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Wow. So, of that 13%, how many are in the "often" category? How many in the "rarely" category? Big gap there, wouldn't you say, in terms of advocacy? And, notice that the poll doesn't draw any assumptions as to who is a "radical."
I have seen no reliable surveys that show anything but a handful of Muslims favoring the imposition of sharia law in the US. Most of those that do want that to apply to internal religious or disciplinary disputes within the Muslim community itself, not to the general population.
radicals
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please
https://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/home/how-many-muslims-are-there-how-many-are-jihadis
Even at 7% radical, that puts them on par with the percentage of Nazi party members in Germany.
sharia
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/12/massive_worldwide_support_for_sharia_law_among_global_muslim_community.html
Is there anything else I can look up for you?
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Yep, the kumbaya, GOPe folks here are also apologists for muslim terrorism.
"There aren't really that many of them."
"You are a bigot"
Three of them killed over 30 yesterday, and injured over 200.
When we responded to Pearl Harbor, we didn't begin by excusing the civilians, and trying to avoid hurting any of those poor souls.
"Taqiyya" is a dispensation, for muslims to deveive and lie. So the truth is you can't get straight answers from them.
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radicals
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please
https://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/home/how-many-muslims-are-there-how-many-are-jihadis
Even at 7% radical, that puts them on par with the percentage of Nazi party members in Germany.
sharia
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/12/massive_worldwide_support_for_sharia_law_among_global_muslim_community.html
Is there anything else I can look up for you?
What are you looking up? I already quoted from csmonitor.com, and their figures are 1% of the population of Europe are "at risk" for radicalism.
And, your second link is to a site that links to a Pew survey that doesn't prove what you say it proves. The notion that there are 375 million radical Muslims is ridiculous and not proven by anything you've posted, nor is there any reliable data anywhere that comes close to that number.
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Yep, the kumbaya, GOPe folks here are also apologists for muslim terrorism.
"There aren't really that many of them."
"You are a bigot"
Three of them killed over 30 yesterday, and injured over 200.
When we responded to Pearl Harbor, we didn't begin by excusing the civilians, and trying to avoid hurting any of those poor souls.
"Taqiyya" is a dispensation, for muslims to deveive and lie. So the truth is you can't get straight answers from them.
I agree with you. But you see, that makes us bigots, or to the less informed, racists, (islam isn't a race). So, clearly since we are bigots, we are Trumpsters, (but I'm not).
I feel like I'm back at TBL, trying to make a point to liberals who will twist and turn anything that is posted in order to support their views. You'll never hear an apologist address Taqiyya.
I'm just waiting for "war" to begin posting.
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I agree with you. But you see, that makes us bigots, or to the less informed, racists, (islam isn't a race). So, clearly since we are bigots, we are Trumpsters, (but I'm not).
I feel like I'm back at TBL, trying to make a point to liberals who will twist and turn anything that is posted in order to support their views. You'll never hear an apologist address Taqiyya.
I'm just waiting for "war" to begin posting.
I remember I used to call him "wart" and I got my ass banned. :laugh:
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Yep, the kumbaya, GOPe folks here are also apologists for muslim terrorism.
"There aren't really that many of them."
"You are a bigot"
Three of them killed over 30 yesterday, and injured over 200.
When we responded to Pearl Harbor, we didn't begin by excusing the civilians, and trying to avoid hurting any of those poor souls.
"Taqiyya" is a dispensation, for muslims to deveive and lie. So the truth is you can't get straight answers from them.
Who here is excusing Muslim terrorism?
All I'm trying to do is separate the real from the hysterical. Let's deal in facts and not characterize all Muslims as terrorists.
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What are you looking up? I already quoted from csmonitor.com, and their figures are 1% of the population of Europe are "at risk" for radicalism.
And, your second link is to a site that links to a Pew survey that doesn't prove what you say it proves. The notion that there are 375 million radical Muslims is ridiculous and not proven by anything you've posted, nor is there any reliable data anywhere that comes close to that number.
One source says 25%, another says 1%, but you're talking about European muslims. What percentage in the middle east is radical? Rather than try to prove to you how many radicals their are, bearing in mind that muslims are supposed to lie to infidels to further their agenda, I'll go with 10% I've seen that more often than not. I'm sticking with that number until you prove it's wrong.
Hey, Pew is within your wheelhouse. The American Thinker article lays it out better, (I know, American Thinker is likely unacceptable to you). The blog samples the number of muslims in other countries who want sharia, and then supposes, why wouldn't muslims coming here want sharia? Maybe you'll say we get the special, extra good, progressive muslims?
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One source says 25%, another says 1%, but you're talking about European muslims. What percentage in the middle east is radical? Rather than try to prove to you how many radicals their are, bearing in mind that muslims are supposed to lie to infidels to further their agenda, I'll go with 10% I've seen that more often than not. I'm sticking with that number until you prove it's wrong.
Hey, Pew is within your wheelhouse. The American Thinker article lays it out better, (I know, American Thinker is likely unacceptable to you). The blog samples the number of muslims in other countries who want sharia, and then supposes, why wouldn't muslims coming here want sharia? Maybe you'll say we get the special, extra good, progressive muslims?
Extrapolating the views of Middle Eastern Muslims to third and fourth generation American Muslims seems a stretch to me. But, I'm open to whatever data you can find. American Thinker is fine as long as they're quoting reliable sources.
Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policies and his opt-in, self-selecting polls are not reliable.
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No, if I gave the impression that I advocated killing all muslims, that was a mistake. But I do advocate recognizing there is something fundamentally wrong within islam, and treating it's adherents with suspicion. I'd have no issue with viewing advocating sharia as subversion.
We can play whack a mole forever with these people. These are people who are so corrupt that they raise brothers who are willing to be suicide bombers. We can keep doing what we're doing, and try to welcome them all on the basis that only some of them are bad, or we can acknowledge islam is the problem.
I acknowledge that Islam is the problem.
I still don't advocate keeping all Muslims out of the country, or putting them all in a database.
But this is off topic, so my part of the conversation is ending now.
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Extrapolating the views of Middle Eastern Muslims to third and fourth generation American Muslims seems a stretch to me. But, I'm open to whatever data you can find. American Thinker is fine as long as they're quoting reliable sources.
Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policies and his opt-in, self-selecting polls are not reliable.
And the self-serving polls you post are reliable? :bigsilly:
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I know that my opinion on this subject will get me called an "apologist" for Islam, which I most decidedly am not, but if 10% of Muslims are terrorists and a large percentage more are sympathizers, that's still a far cry from "every Muslim is dangerous and will raise murderous sons."
Islam is a violent, evil 'religion' and I don't defend it at all, ever, but I do believe in the old children's song, "Jesus loves the little children, ALL the children of the world," and I don't believe it is right to hate an entire people group based on the religion they were born into.
I completely agree that it is time for MORE peaceful Muslims to speak up (some have, obviously), and I don't know if it's fear that keeps them from it, but until they do, there will be people who condemn them personally, and not just the religion they have.
(And I hope with your Nazi parallel, you weren't advocating killing all Muslims everywhere because we are in a global war with militant Islam).
Its called Taqiyya
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
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Its called Taqiyya
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
I know about Taqiyya. I'm not defending Islam in any capacity.
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Relic wrote above:
"Perhaps it's time for peaceful muslims to make a choice?"
I believe that most of them -- the vast, overwhelming majority -- have already MADE that "choice" already.
That's why we are where we are today.
And that's why we (of The West) are ultimately headed for the abyss ...
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Relic wrote above:
"Perhaps it's time for peaceful muslims to make a choice?"
I believe that most of them -- the vast, overwhelming majority -- have already MADE that "choice" already.
That's why we are where we are today.
And that's why we (of The West) are ultimately headed for the abyss ...
Bizarre.
The incidence of Muslim violence in the US is much less
Than black on black violence, black on white violence.
White on white violence, even white on black violence.
Us-versus them. Tribalism. Trumpism.
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Its called Taqiyya
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
Which is permitted by Shia only - 16% of the world population of muslims.
You see, this is one of the problems: A hell of a lot of Muslims DO speak out. Arseholes who know nothing smugly say taqiyya like it's some sort of spell of ignorance and carry on.
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The Quran's deadly role in inspiring Belgian slaughter: Column
Nabeel Qureshi 2:44 p.m. EDT March 22, 2016
USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/)
Americans awoke this morning to another terrorist attack — this time in the Brussels airport and subway. These attacks hit close to home. Many of us have flown through the Brussels airport, just as we have vacationed in Paris and visited San Bernardino. Once again images of the injured flood social media channels, reminding Americans of the ever-present reality that it could have been us. How is this happening? Why are people becoming radicalized, and so close to home? I am concerned how little we in the West understand why peaceful Muslims who live among us are drawn into radical Islam.
As a Muslim growing up in the United States, I was taught by my imams and the community around me that Islam is a religion of peace. My family modeled love for others and love for country, and not just by their words. My father served in the U.S. Navy throughout my childhood, starting as a seaman and retiring as a lieutenant commander. I believed wholeheartedly a slogan often repeated at my mosque after 9/11: “The terrorists who hijacked the planes also hijacked Islam.”
Yet as I began to investigate the Quran and the traditions of Muhammad’s life for myself in college, I found to my genuine surprise that the pages of Islamic history are filled with violence. How could I reconcile this with what I had always been taught about Islam?
In February 2015, the U.S. State Department Acting Spokesperson Marie Harf suggested that a “lack of opportunity for jobs” might be a significant factor in radicalization and terrorism. Alternatively, Suraj Lakhani, a scholar of radicalization in Wales, suggested that the process is driven by religious concerns and a drive to bolster one’s personal identity. He implies that young Muslims ought not be allowed to hear ISIL messages or interact with their recruiters.
Naturally, I agree that interacting with ISIL recruiters is a bad idea, but I believe what the recruiters themselves say sheds the most insight on the radicalization process. ISIL’s primary recruiting technique is not social or financial but theological. With frequent references to the highest sources of authority in Islam, the Quran and hadith (the collection of the sayings of the prophet Muhammad), ISIL enjoins upon Muslims their duty to fight against the enemies of Islam and to emigrate to the Islamic State once it has been established. ...
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