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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 24, 2016, 10:33:58 am
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’s economic adviser Stephen Moore told a group of top Republicans last week that they now belong to a fundamentally different political party.
Moore surprised some of the Republican lawmakers assembled at their closed-door whip meeting last Tuesday when he told them they should no longer think of themselves as belonging to the conservative party of Ronald Reagan.
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Donald Trump
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’s economic adviser Stephen Moore told a group of top Republicans last week that they now belong to a fundamentally different political party.
Moore surprised some of the Republican lawmakers assembled at their closed-door whip meeting last Tuesday when he told them they should no longer think of themselves as belonging to the conservative party of Ronald Reagan.
They might as well join those of us who've thought that for a while now...
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Actually its not going to be a different party. Its the same old party its been for a while with the same establishment scumbags screwing conservatives over at every opportunity
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Actually its not going to be a different party. Its the same old party its been for a while with the same establishment scumbags screwing conservatives over at every opportunity
The Republican Party hasn't been conservative in years. But just what is this "populist working class party?" Sounds like socialism to me.
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The Republican Party hasn't been conservative in years. But just what is this "populist working class party?" Sounds like socialism to me.
"Populism" is about as beneficial to our republic as mob rule democracy.
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“Reagan ran as an ideological conservative. Trump ran as an economic populist,” he said.
“Trump’s victory,” Moore added, “turned it into the Trump party.”
I would like to ask Trump voters two questions.
1. Do they know what "economic populist" means?
2. Is this really what they want for the country?
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I would like to ask Trump voters two questions.
1. Do they know what "economic populist" means?
2. Is this really what they want for the country?
Remember when we opposed Obama's fundamental transformation of America?
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Although it's still early, I'm having the feeling more and more that those of us who expressed concern regarding a Trump Presidency will be proven right
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I wonder if any of them secretly gave the Trump adviser the flying fickle finger of fate award? :silly:
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Moore said going through PA., MI. and states like that, that he'd seen the party has attracted the working class, hence, he said the GOP wasn't the same party. Big sin.
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Moore is full of it - far from being 'ideologically pure' the republicans stopped being the party of Reagan - other than paying lip service - sometime in 1989.
I'd really like to hear Moore define of the 'ideological purity' of Reaganism. As far as I know, Reagan simply exposed simply a return to more basic founding governmental concepts.
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Moore is full of it - far from being 'ideologically pure' the republicans stopped being the party of Reagan - other than paying lip service - sometime in 1989.
I'd really like to hear Moore define of the 'ideological purity' of Reaganism. As far as I know, Reagan simply exposed simply a return to more basic founding governmental concepts.
Moore just wants to progressivize the party. As far as Trump's blue collar voters in Michigan are concerned, they're fully union indoctrinated marxists. Clinton wasn't aggressive enough in promising to punish those evil corporations and was only marginally less likeable than Trump. The problem for Trump is the fact that he can't keep those promises and will lose those voters.
I haven't paid much attention to PA but Michigan and Wisconsin have been moving rightward over the past decade under very un-Trumplike leadership. Both states have passed sweeping RTW laws and republicans have continued to win here despite the passage of those laws and Trump nowhere in sight. Trump even attacked Scott Walker for lowering taxes in Wisconsin.
Michigan is called a "blue state" based on a tendency to go democrat in presidential elections since Bill Clinton but that really isn't that significant. Michigan has a far longer history of being a GOP state. After all, Ripon Wisconsin and Jackson Michigan were both instrumental in giving birth to the party. (Party officially formed in Ripon and the first party convention in Jackson) Without the 17th amendment democrat senators from Michigan would be a rarity.
(http://i.imgur.com/IUZeEE6.png)
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Moore just wants to progressivize the party. As far as Trump's blue collar voters in Michigan are concerned, they're fully union indoctrinated marxists. Clinton wasn't aggressive enough in promising to punish those evil corporations and was only marginally less likeable than Trump. The problem for Trump is the fact that he can't keep those promises and will lose those voters.
I haven't paid much attention to PA but Michigan and Wisconsin have been moving rightward over the past decade under very un-Trumplike leadership. Both states have passed sweeping RTW laws and republicans have continued to win here despite the passage of those laws and Trump nowhere in sight. Trump even attacked Scott Walker for lowering taxes in Wisconsin.
Michigan is called a "blue state" based on a tendency to go democrat in presidential elections since Bill Clinton but that really isn't that significant. Michigan has a far longer history of being a GOP state. After all, Ripon Wisconsin and Jackson Michigan were both instrumental in giving birth to the party. (Party officially formed in Ripon and the first party convention in Jackson) Without the 17th amendment democrat senators from Michigan would be a rarity.
(http://i.imgur.com/IUZeEE6.png)
As they always do, the pundits are trying to find a reason for the shift in voter mood and are getting it wrong.
The shift is not based on a personality cult or some clinical definition of populism. Its simply a reaction to progressivism, which people are rejecting wholesale.
Its just like what happened after California voters threw Gray Davis out of the governors mansion twenty years ago. Schwarzenegger just happened to be in the right place at the right time - the movement wasn't at all about him. Just as it would be a mistake to believe what has recently happened is about Trump or what he claims to espouse.
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As they always do, the pundits are trying to find a reason for the shift in voter mood and are getting it wrong.
The shift is not based on a personality cult or some clinical definition of populism. Its simply a reaction to progressivism, which people are rejecting wholesale.
Its just like what happened after California voters threw Gray Davis out of the governors mansion twenty years ago. Schwarzenegger just happened to be in the right place at the right time - the movement wasn't at all about him. Just as it would be a mistake to believe what has recently happened is about Trump or what he claims to espouse.
Exactly. If someone were to dig though my postings at FR they would find that I have been pointing to this ongoing shift for several years. The only thing that Trump did to bring a change in the dynamics was to run to the left of Clinton which was a momentem shift toward the left. How great the damage is remains to be seen.
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If Moore says the Republican Party is no longer the party of Reagan but is now a populist/working class party, that's fine by me....I am no longer a member of the Republican Party. I am first and foremost a conservative. If the RP wants to turn into some sort of quasi-anarchic French Revolution-type party, they can go ahead. I'm not joining in.
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If Moore says the Republican Party is no longer the party of Reagan but is now a populist/working class party, that's fine by me....I am no longer a member of the Republican Party. I am first and foremost a conservative. If the RP wants to turn into some sort of quasi-anarchic French Revolution-type party, they can go ahead. I'm not joining in.
Moore didn't specify but maybe he was talking about the days before Reagan became a republican.
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Some people didn't want Trump to win because naturally, he now is able to set direction for the party. This is what Michael Medved said.
The party will in ways, keep its conservative roots, I don't know about all of this building up the infrastructure which needs to be done. It may well work out.
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The Republican Party hasn't been conservative in years.
It never was. It has always been a political party.