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General Category => National/Breaking News => Second Amendment => Topic started by: txradioguy on December 05, 2022, 03:16:05 pm
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May 31, 2022 is a night I'll never forget.
That's the night my wife and I were assaulted in our own home by our daughter and ex felon suboxone taking boyfriend.
That's the night I had to draw my Sig P365 in fear of my own life and hold the person that attacked us at bay until the police arrived. I had no other choice. They'd taken our cell phones and barricaded themselves inside one of the bedrooms with our grandchildren. I knew my daughter had a Beretta 9mm in the rom and the ex felon kept yelling "I'm gonna kill you MF'er!"
When the police arrived I complied with all commands they gave me until I was out of the house and my wife and I were sitting on the porch with 5 cops around us and the rescue squad trading the various cuts we had from the altercation in our basement.
We told them what happened. How we had found out earlier that day about what a lose this ex felon was and how I immediately said he needed to leave, my daughters refusal to make him leave. How my wife and I had gone down to the basement to try and let the situation cool off and how our daughter came down after us and continued the argument and how the ex felon followed her down.
I told them that I'd told the ex felon that this was a family conversation and he needed to take his ass back upstairs. I told them my daughter was the first one to make a move and put her hands on me, and that the ex felon had attacked me at the same time. My wife told them how then had tried to barricade us in our own basement and had taken our cell phones.
I told them repeatedly I had feared for my life. We told the cops we wanted them arrested for assault. They listened, nodded, gave myself and my wife a breathalyzer and continued to stand around us on the front porch while my daughter, our grandkids and this felon were escorted out of the house through the garage.
My wife asked if she could go inside and calm down one of our dogs who had been barking for almost an hour because of all of the ruckus and the strangers in his house. They let her go in to do that. About 10 minutes after she went in they told me to stand up and put me in handcuffs.
I was arrested and taken to jail charged with four felony counts of wanton endangerment and two misdemeanor counts of assault.
My wife didn't know I was gone for almost an hour after they transported me to jail. She had come out to check on me thinking I'd still be there...only to discover I was gone. the only excuse was "we thought you knew".
I asked the arresting officer how come I was the one going to jail when I was the one assaulted in my own home and feared for my life.
"You were the one that pulled your gun" was his only reply.
For those that don't know, Kentucky is a Constitutional Carry state and they have very strong castle defense/stand your ground laws.
Never the less there I was. Right before they took my phone while I was being processed, I called the Critical Response Team at USCCA and told them what had happened and that I needed help. I found out later they had an attorney in contact with my wife within 15 minutes of my call to them, at 1:15 in the morning.
I spent 18 hours in the county jail, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Bad food, 20 of us in one of the drunk tanks and oh by the way they billed me for my stay after I got out.
I had to go through the embarrassment/shame of my wife seeing me in court not only in a prison jumpsuit but in handcuffs and leg irons. I asked the judge for a reduction in bail. She denied it with the comment that "If it were up to me it would have been higher". This same judge presided over all of the hearings in my case except for the one on Dec. 1st.
My attorney was awesome. He flat out told me that "the wrong person went to jail". His immediate strategy was to request to review the body cam footage and if it lined up with what I was telling him, push for an immediate dismissal of all charges. I signed the contract with him and away we went.
I have to stop here for a minute and all about USCCA. I truly believe they are the only reason I'm free today. They not only reimbursed me for the $2,500 cash bail I had to pay, they covered the $40k retainer fee for my lawyer. That $20 a month I've been paying them since 2017 paid off in a big way.
The first thing the county prosecutor said when my lawyer said I wasn't going to accept a plea down to misdemeanors was "What does he want? An apology?" Originally I said no but my feelings on that have modified over the months.
Hearings kept getting delayed by the county, the can kept getting kicked down the road because of various excuses like forgetting to subpoena the police officer and his body cam footage, one time the assistant prosecutor working the case that she "wasn't prepared to go to court" on my case. One time my attorney called me and said "don't even bother coming to court today, they aren't ready".
Finally in October we had a hearing. I didn't get to testify, to this day I still haven't been put under oath and been able to tell my side of the story. The cop got up there and said his piece. He couldn't really answer any of my attorney's direct questions about the night in question. He standard answer was "I'm not sure, I'd have to review my notes.". My wife got up there, told the same story we'd been telling the entire time. I'll admit it was fun watching the prosecutors eyes bug out a couple times when my wife brought up things that had happened that he wasn't aware of in the reports he had in front of him. When the arguments were finished, my attorney said (correctly) there wasn't enough evidence to warrant the charges and that the case should be dismissed immediately. The judge said no, there was enough evidence and bound the case over for the grand jury.
From 28 November to 1 December I kinda hung in limbo waiting to hear when the grand jury was going to meet. I was ready to go before them and tell my side of what happened.
I got a call from pre-trial services last Thursday. I'd been required to check in with them every Friday since June. This was Thursday so I know I hadn't missed a check in.
The lady on the other end of the line said "I've got some good news for you. The grand jury met today."
After I got over the shock of them having met and I wasn't notified (my attorney wasn't either) I asked her what the good news was.
"You've got an early Christmas present, the grand jury returned a no true bill on your case. You're charges have been dismissed."
I had to have her repeat that to me again and then I started to cry. I thanked her for the good news and she actually thanked me for being such a good client of theirs. After I hung up I called my wife downstairs, told her the good news and we just held onto each other for what felt like an eternity. Once I recovered from the shock, I texted my lawyer and let him know.
He's going to contact the PD here in town today to get them to release my pistol from their evidence lockup. Because of a weird quirk in Kentucky law, he has to wait 60 days, but my attorney is going to file a motion to have my record expunged.
This strange scary nightmare is over. This part of it anyway. I've lost two jobs because of this. The Army chose not to renew my position with the start of the new FY back in October because of my legal situation. I landed a job back in radio a couple weeks later, but when my background check came back it showed the pending charges and they terminated me.
The worst part of this is the relationship we've lost with our two grandkids. Their dad has custody of them now and he totally believed our daughters side of the story (that we'd provoked everything and I was the aggressor etc). He's cut off all contact between us and the boys. Sadly there is no USCCA for family law, so it's going to be an uphill and expensive battle to regain access to them. Meanwhile our daughter and the ex felon moved back to Illinois where the boys are and get to see them all the time.
The emotional strain of going through a situation like mine are indescribable. Faith family and friends go me through it. Got us through it I should say because this all had a direct impact on my wife as well. She's been a rock. Time basically stopped in my world for the last 7 months and there's no way for me to get that time back that I feel I was robbed of. The only thing I can do is get back up and dust myself off.
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@Cyber Liberty asked me to include a link to the USCCA website.
I know some of you already have Law Shield or one of the other services like USCCA to protect you against what I went through. They are all good.
However...
If you don't have any kind of protection...from experience...let me tell you you're laying with fire.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com
My membership for myself and my wife costs me around $20 a month. And for the services they provided for me it's worth every penny.
If you do decide to sign up with them, if you mention my name (DM me for it for those that don't already know) you'll get like $200 towards some free merchandise.
This was truly a situation I never thought I'd find myself in and one that if I hadn't been in the middle of it, probably wouldn't have believed.
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Wow. I will read this again but, wow.
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Wow! Just WOW!
You may not be ready to hear this yet but I'm going to say it anyway, IMHO you should STRONGLY consider suing everyone involved in this fiasco! @txradioguy
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Wow! Just WOW!
You may not be ready to hear this yet but I'm going to say it anyway, IMHO you should STRONGLY consider suing everyone involved in this fiasco! @txradioguy
Agree... I would also make sure this goes in the prosecutors record so it can be called into question next election/appointment/review....
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Wow! Just WOW!
You may not be ready to hear this yet but I'm going to say it anyway, IMHO you should STRONGLY consider suing everyone involved in this fiasco! @txradioguy
I've thought about it. At first I was like I just want this to go away. Suing the city and the PD wasn't on my radar.
But my thoughts on this have evolved.
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Agree... I would also make sure this goes in the prosecutors record so it can be called into question next election/appointment/review....
Good idea.
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I've thought about it. At first I was like I just want this to go away. Suing the city and the PD wasn't on my radar.
But my thoughts on this have evolved.
I would talk to a good lawyer who has no connections to the County and/or city this all took place in if I were you.
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Holy cow, @txradioguy
I cannot imagine.
So glad you have finally prevailed.
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Holy cow, @txradioguy
I cannot imagine.
So glad you have finally prevailed.
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I'm not sure I would have used the word "prevailed" @Polly Ticks. The mere fact that he no longer has any charges against him does not compensate him and his wife for what they have needlessly been put through for seven months.
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I'm not sure I would have used the word "prevailed" @Polly Ticks. The mere fact that he no longer has any charges against him does not compensate him and his wife for what they have needlessly been put through for seven months.
That's certainly true. Not to mention PTDS.
I should have said legally prevailed, I guess.
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I've thought about it. At first I was like I just want this to go away. Suing the city and the PD wasn't on my radar.
But my thoughts on this have evolved.
In terms of suing all the rat-ba**ards, I would recommend first that you have a good, long sit-down with an attorney to discuss how much more of a burden a lawsuit will be. The sad fact is that vindicating one's rights comes at a price - even above and beyond what you've already paid - and you need to discuss with an attorney who will be blunt and open with you about what you're likely to face if you sue, and how it may affect you and your loved ones. Since you are not one of the privileged minorities who enjoy Black Privilege, you will be grabbing the tiger's tail on this one by suing the government, and will at the very least come in for additional calumny and scrutiny while that suit is ongoing.
I don't want to necessarily dissuade you from suing - that is the one of the few peaceful means of redress - just to encourage you to go in eyes-wide-open.
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In terms of suing all the rat-ba**ards, I would recommend first that you have a good, long sit-down with an attorney to discuss how much more of a burden a lawsuit will be. The sad fact is that vindicating one's rights comes at a price - even above and beyond what you've already paid - and you need to discuss with an attorney who will be blunt and open with you about what you're likely to face if you sue, and how it may affect you and your loved ones. Since you are not one of the privileged minorities who enjoy Black Privilege, you will be grabbing the tiger's tail on this one by suing the government, and will at the very least come in for additional calumny and scrutiny while that suit is ongoing.
I don't want to necessarily dissuade you from suing - that is the one of the few peaceful means of redress - just to encourage you to go in eyes-wide-open.
I completely agree with that in its entirety but the only way this kind of shit will stop is for someone to make them pay dearly!
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In terms of suing all the rat-ba**ards, I would recommend first that you have a good, long sit-down with an attorney to discuss how much more of a burden a lawsuit will be. The sad fact is that vindicating one's rights comes at a price - even above and beyond what you've already paid - and you need to discuss with an attorney who will be blunt and open with you about what you're likely to face if you sue, and how it may affect you and your loved ones. Since you are not one of the privileged minorities who enjoy Black Privilege, you will be grabbing the tiger's tail on this one by suing the government, and will at the very least come in for additional calumny and scrutiny while that suit is ongoing.
I don't want to necessarily dissuade you from suing - that is the one of the few peaceful means of redress - just to encourage you to go in eyes-wide-open.
Yeah this is something I’ve thought about as well.
I’m in a town of 30k people. My wife is a real estate agent just getting going with her career. I have to balance what that would do with potential clients of hers too.
I could win the battle but lose the war.
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That's certainly true. Not to mention PTDS.
I should have said legally prevailed, I guess.
I knew what you were trying to say @Polly Ticks
Thank you.
And you’re right there is some emotional stuff I’ve got to get over as well.
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That's certainly true. Not to mention PTDS.
I should have said legally prevailed, I guess.
888high58888 Didn't mean to jump on you my dear @Polly Ticks ! It's just that the thought of these slugs getting away with what they have done infuriates me!
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I completely agree with that in its entirety but the only way this kind of shit will stop is for someone to make them pay dearly!
Absolutely agree that the only way it stops is for enough people to fight back; but fighting back always comes at a cost, and those who would fight back should only do so knowing what they're likely to pay, so they're prepared to pay the price.
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888high58888 Didn't mean to jump on you my dear @Polly Ticks ! It's just that the thought of these slugs getting away with what they have done infuriates me!
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What’s frightening is this could happen anywhere. It’s not just Blue States where 2A rights can get stepped on.
All it takes is one judge or prosecutors office or someone in law enforcement with different opinions on gun laws to make things like this happen.
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Woof! That's a chunk @txradioguy ... Glad you are coming up for air...
Wondered why you wandered off a while back. Now I know.
Going after em is a thing. I would find out from the attorney how long you have to press play... And hold off a bit and recover. Make that decision once you have some wind back in your sails. That was a hard row to hoe.
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A real nightmare. I can't imagine the vortex of thoughts and emotions you have endured and what you will yet experience. Going forward, this will pose a challenge with no easy or right answers. Meeting with legal counsel is a must. Two years from now, five years from now, you need to know you made the best decisions in a horrible situation.
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Absolutely agree that the only way it stops is for enough people to fight back; but fighting back always comes at a cost, and those who would fight back should only do so knowing what they're likely to pay, so they're prepared to pay the price.
I think you and I are in agreement on this @Kamaji and, in any case, it's not ours to decide. I've said all I'm going to on the matter.
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What’s frightening is this could happen anywhere. It’s not just Blue States where 2A rights can get stepped on.
All it takes is one judge or prosecutors office or someone in law enforcement with different opinions on gun laws to make things like this happen.
:yowsa: Absolutely true! Every word.
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May 31, 2022 is a night I'll never forget.
That's the night my wife and I were assaulted in our own home by our daughter and ex felon suboxone taking boyfriend.
That's the night I had to draw my Sig P365 in fear of my own life and hold the person that attacked us at bay until the police arrived. I had no other choice. They'd taken our cell phones and barricaded themselves inside one of the bedrooms with our grandchildren. I knew my daughter had a Beretta 9mm in the rom and the ex felon kept yelling "I'm gonna kill you MF'er!"
When the police arrived I complied with all commands they gave me until I was out of the house and my wife and I were sitting on the porch with 5 cops around us and the rescue squad trading the various cuts we had from the altercation in our basement.
We told them what happened. How we had found out earlier that day about what a lose this ex felon was and how I immediately said he needed to leave, my daughters refusal to make him leave. How my wife and I had gone down to the basement to try and let the situation cool off and how our daughter came down after us and continued the argument and how the ex felon followed her down.
I told them that I'd told the ex felon that this was a family conversation and he needed to take his ass back upstairs. I told them my daughter was the first one to make a move and put her hands on me, and that the ex felon had attacked me at the same time. My wife told them how then had tried to barricade us in our own basement and had taken our cell phones.
I told them repeatedly I had feared for my life. We told the cops we wanted them arrested for assault. They listened, nodded, gave myself and my wife a breathalyzer and continued to stand around us on the front porch while my daughter, our grandkids and this felon were escorted out of the house through the garage.
My wife asked if she could go inside and calm down one of our dogs who had been barking for almost an hour because of all of the ruckus and the strangers in his house. They let her go in to do that. About 10 minutes after she went in they told me to stand up and put me in handcuffs.
I was arrested and taken to jail charged with four felony counts of wanton endangerment and two misdemeanor counts of assault.
My wife didn't know I was gone for almost an hour after they transported me to jail. She had come out to check on me thinking I'd still be there...only to discover I was gone. the only excuse was "we thought you knew".
I asked the arresting officer how come I was the one going to jail when I was the one assaulted in my own home and feared for my life.
"You were the one that pulled your gun" was his only reply.
For those that don't know, Kentucky is a Constitutional Carry state and they have very strong castle defense/stand your ground laws.
Never the less there I was. Right before they took my phone while I was being processed, I called the Critical Response Team at USCCA and told them what had happened and that I needed help. I found out later they had an attorney in contact with my wife within 15 minutes of my call to them, at 1:15 in the morning.
I spent 18 hours in the county jail, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Bad food, 20 of us in one of the drunk tanks and oh by the way they billed me for my stay after I got out.
I had to go through the embarrassment/shame of my wife seeing me in court not only in a prison jumpsuit but in handcuffs and leg irons. I asked the judge for a reduction in bail. She denied it with the comment that "If it were up to me it would have been higher". This same judge presided over all of the hearings in my case except for the one on Dec. 1st.
My attorney was awesome. He flat out told me that "the wrong person went to jail". His immediate strategy was to request to review the body cam footage and if it lined up with what I was telling him, push for an immediate dismissal of all charges. I signed the contract with him and away we went.
I have to stop here for a minute and all about USCCA. I truly believe they are the only reason I'm free today. They not only reimbursed me for the $2,500 cash bail I had to pay, they covered the $40k retainer fee for my lawyer. That $20 a month I've been paying them since 2017 paid off in a big way.
The first thing the county prosecutor said when my lawyer said I wasn't going to accept a plea down to misdemeanors was "What does he want? An apology?" Originally I said no but my feelings on that have modified over the months.
Hearings kept getting delayed by the county, the can kept getting kicked down the road because of various excuses like forgetting to subpoena the police officer and his body cam footage, one time the assistant prosecutor working the case that she "wasn't prepared to go to court" on my case. One time my attorney called me and said "don't even bother coming to court today, they aren't ready".
Finally in October we had a hearing. I didn't get to testify, to this day I still haven't been put under oath and been able to tell my side of the story. The cop got up there and said his piece. He couldn't really answer any of my attorney's direct questions about the night in question. He standard answer was "I'm not sure, I'd have to review my notes.". My wife got up there, told the same story we'd been telling the entire time. I'll admit it was fun watching the prosecutors eyes bug out a couple times when my wife brought up things that had happened that he wasn't aware of in the reports he had in front of him. When the arguments were finished, my attorney said (correctly) there wasn't enough evidence to warrant the charges and that the case should be dismissed immediately. The judge said no, there was enough evidence and bound the case over for the grand jury.
From 28 November to 1 December I kinda hung in limbo waiting to hear when the grand jury was going to meet. I was ready to go before them and tell my side of what happened.
I got a call from pre-trial services last Thursday. I'd been required to check in with them every Friday since June. This was Thursday so I know I hadn't missed a check in.
The lady on the other end of the line said "I've got some good news for you. The grand jury met today."
After I got over the shock of them having met and I wasn't notified (my attorney wasn't either) I asked her what the good news was.
"You've got an early Christmas present, the grand jury returned a no true bill on your case. You're charges have been dismissed."
I had to have her repeat that to me again and then I started to cry. I thanked her for the good news and she actually thanked me for being such a good client of theirs. After I hung up I called my wife downstairs, told her the good news and we just held onto each other for what felt like an eternity. Once I recovered from the shock, I texted my lawyer and let him know.
He's going to contact the PD here in town today to get them to release my pistol from their evidence lockup. Because of a weird quirk in Kentucky law, he has to wait 60 days, but my attorney is going to file a motion to have my record expunged.
This strange scary nightmare is over. This part of it anyway. I've lost two jobs because of this. The Army chose not to renew my position with the start of the new FY back in October because of my legal situation. I landed a job back in radio a couple weeks later, but when my background check came back it showed the pending charges and they terminated me.
The worst part of this is the relationship we've lost with our two grandkids. Their dad has custody of them now and he totally believed our daughters side of the story (that we'd provoked everything and I was the aggressor etc). He's cut off all contact between us and the boys. Sadly there is no USCCA for family law, so it's going to be an uphill and expensive battle to regain access to them. Meanwhile our daughter and the ex felon moved back to Illinois where the boys are and get to see them all the time.
The emotional strain of going through a situation like mine are indescribable. Faith family and friends go me through it. Got us through it I should say because this all had a direct impact on my wife as well. She's been a rock. Time basically stopped in my world for the last 7 months and there's no way for me to get that time back that I feel I was robbed of. The only thing I can do is get back up and dust myself off.
@txradioguy I am so sorry to hear of what you went through and how absolutely devastating it must be to go through what you did.
Yes, get back up and dust yourself off; not easy. I will keep you and your wife in prayer as well as your grandkids.
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I think you and I are in agreement on this @Kamaji and, in any case, it's not ours to decide. I've said all I'm going to on the matter.
You both are right. And like @Lando Lincoln and @roamer_1 said I need to take a breath and do this with a clear head. Get some wind back in my sails.
My first gut instinct however is that if there is anymore $$$ to be expended on my part in a court of law…it’s going to be fighting to get access to my two grandsons.
My wife and I have been there with them since they took their first breath outside the womb.
Not seeing them or having contact with them has wrecked us as much as the rest of the whole mess.
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@txradioguy I am so sorry to hear of what you went through and how absolutely devastating it must be to go through what you did.
Yes, get back up and dust yourself off; not easy. I will keep you and your wife in prayer.
Thank you.
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I think you and I are in agreement on this @Kamaji and, in any case, it's not ours to decide. I've said all I'm going to on the matter.
@Bigun
Yup.
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Wow, i'm sorry this happy TX. I'd say sue too, not sure what to sue for though.
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You both are right. And like @Lando Lincoln and @roamer_1 said I need to take a breath and do this with a clear head. Get some wind back in my sails.
My first gut instinct however is that if there is anymore $$$ to be expended on my part in a court of law…it’s going to be fighting to get access to my two grandsons.
My wife and I have been there with them since they took their first breath outside the womb.
Not seeing them or having contact with them has wrecked us as much as the rest of the whole mess.
I fully understand @txradioguy and whatever course you and the missus decide to pursue will be fine with me.
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You both are right. And like @Lando Lincoln and @roamer_1 said I need to take a breath and do this with a clear head. Get some wind back in my sails.
My first gut instinct however is that if there is anymore $$$ to be expended on my part in a court of law…it’s going to be fighting to get access to my two grandsons.
My wife and I have been there with them since they took their first breath outside the womb.
Not seeing them or having contact with them has wrecked us as much as the rest of the whole mess.
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Why women decided to hook up with felons is beyond me...
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Why women decided to hook up with felons is beyond me...
I think she was doing it to me and her mom to spite us.
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You both are right. And like @Lando Lincoln and @roamer_1 said I need to take a breath and do this with a clear head. Get some wind back in my sails.
My first gut instinct however is that if there is anymore $$$ to be expended on my part in a court of law…it’s going to be fighting to get access to my two grandsons.
My wife and I have been there with them since they took their first breath outside the womb.
:thumbsup: @txradioguy
I'm sorry you were subjected to this horrific nightmare ---- and relieved you're coming out of it standing and a free man.
IMHO, your gut instinct is the right one --- focus on your grandsons. Their return to your lives is the lasting victory in this war.
I wish you and your (very brave) wife Godspeed as you move forward. :0001:
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Thanks for posting your story, @txradioguy! I know this was difficult....
Going to go back and read it all again.
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:thumbsup: @txradioguy 8888crybaby
I'm sorry you were subjected to this horrific nightmare ---- and relieved you're coming out of it standing and a free man.
IMHO, your gut instinct is the right one --- focus on your grandsons. Their return to your lives is the lasting victory in this war.
I wish you and your (very brave) wife Godspeed as you move forward. :0001:
Thank you @Right_in_Virginia. That means a lot to me.
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Thanks for posting your story, @txradioguy! I know this was difficult....
Going to go back and read it all again.
It’s a cautionary tale that needed to be told. I just did’t want to do it till everything was over.
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Wow, what a horrible chain of events. When I started reading this I thought it was a news story you posted - and then it became apparent that it was YOU going through all this. Very glad you and your wife survived it. Just awful.
All I can say is the legal system these days is terrible. Truth, integrity and justice are not even remotely the driving forces, if they ever were. Once dragged into it it can consume you and the system simply doesn't care.
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I just wish I knew what to say that would ease your pain,but I don't.
In fact,I am mad at the way the Nazi Court treated you,and think that judge and the cops should be on trial now for lying under oath and abuse of office.
That is as far as I am willing to take this in public,other than to say I truly wish I had an "easy answer" for you that would make your pain go away.
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Wow! Just WOW!
You may not be ready to hear this yet but I'm going to say it anyway, IMHO you should STRONGLY consider suing everyone involved in this fiasco! @txradioguy
@Bigun @txradioguy
I agree with that 100 percent.
Maybe get up with the legal service that got you out of jail and the charges dropped,and see if they can recommend a savage lawyer that will take up your case and sue the snot out of the DA,the judge,the cops,and everyone else involved.
IF you can find a lawyer that isn't looking for a quick payday and gone,and end up with one that is a crusader,there is a chance you could get some changes made. Yeah,it will take years because the legal system is composed of a bunch of bitches,most male,who will blindly defend each other,but the result MIGHT be worth it to you.
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I've thought about it. At first I was like I just want this to go away. Suing the city and the PD wasn't on my radar.
But my thoughts on this have evolved.
@txradioguy
Since you live in Texas,you really shouldn't have much trouble hooking up with a prominent "crusading lawyer" if you can get some publicity for your case going. These people take a cut of the damages fees if they win,so it really won't cost you anything "out of pocket".
Go for it!
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May 31, 2022 is a night I'll never forget.
@txradioguy
You are a 2A hero in my book. And a prime example why we need to be vigilant to fight for those rights. Thanks for sharing.
As far as the culpits, I know you have various options, but in any case... CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES!!!!!!
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You both are right. And like @Lando Lincoln and @roamer_1 said I need to take a breath and do this with a clear head. Get some wind back in my sails.
My first gut instinct however is that if there is anymore $$$ to be expended on my part in a court of law…it’s going to be fighting to get access to my two grandsons.
My wife and I have been there with them since they took their first breath outside the womb.
Not seeing them or having contact with them has wrecked us as much as the rest of the whole mess.
Prayers up.
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@txradioguy
You are a 2A hero in my book. And a prime example why we need to be vigilant to fight for those rights. Thanks for sharing.
As far as the culpits, I know you have various options, but in any case... CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES!!!!!!
I wish I felt worthy of that hero status. I’m just glad I was able to push back and prevail.
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Prayers up.
Thank you.
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I wish I felt worthy of that hero status. I’m just glad I was able to push back and prevail.
Seems to me that's what makes you a hero: you pushed back against incredible odds and paid a dear price for standing your ground and standing up for your principles.
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I wish I felt worthy of that hero status. I’m just glad I was able to push back and prevail.
I think many in here see you as a hero; you stood your ground, and rightfully so.
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Glad you came out relatively unscathed. Even in your own home with the law and everything on your side, if the system works against you they can just take you down. Glad you made the payments to protect yourself.
What really frosts me is that they take a druggie ex-con's word over you in your own home, then just escalate things to throw you into the meat grinder because a gun was involved. He was trespassing and had no right to be there and threatening you with his behavior, and your daughter was an accomplice.
It should have went the exact opposite of what it did.
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You're not going to like this post.
Sell the place in Kentucky. Move elsewhere -- how about East Tennessee?
Get out of that town, to somewhere else for a "fresh start".
DO NOT provide a forwarding address to the daughter.
Do not contact her again.
Write her OUT of your life (and your will, if you have one). Bad seed.
Remember, if she knows how to find you -- the ex-con does, as well.
Of course, this probably means losing track of the grandkids. So be it.
But you can put THEM in the will (instead of her).
I told you that you weren't going to like this post.
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@txradioguy
I know how much you love those grandchildren...seen them many times with you on FB...Sorry to say I don't think much of your daughter using them as a *punishment* to you and your wife.
I am willing to bet when things get a little rough for her she will be back with kids in tow...the ex-felon romance won't last long...maybe her husband..the children's father will have something to say about the company she keeps... :pondering:
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I'm so sorry this crap happened to you, txradioguy, and it's such great news that the grand jury saw through this nonsense.
Yes, consider a suit for malicious prosecution.
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Just wow!!!
I've been trying to think of the positives here...
No one got killed and that's a GREAT thing as I'm sure emotions were quite high.
You got the charges dropped... Thank you LORD!
You have time to rebuild your relationship, Lord willing, with your grandkids.
You found out what a rock your wife is...
You found out who your true friends are...
It was a pretty tough test of your faith...
God bless you my friend and may God grant you wisdom in your decisions. Merry CHRISTmas!
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You're not going to like this post.
Sell the place in Kentucky. Move elsewhere -- how about East Tennessee?
Get out of that town, to somewhere else for a "fresh start".
DO NOT provide a forwarding address to the daughter.
Do not contact her again.
Write her OUT of your life (and your will, if you have one). Bad seed.
Remember, if she knows how to find you -- the ex-con does, as well.
Of course, this probably means losing track of the grandkids. So be it.
But you can put THEM in the will (instead of her).
I told you that you weren't going to like this post.
I'm not upset about what you said my friend. There's a lot of what you said in that is absolutely what the wife and I need to do.
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@txradioguy
I know how much you love those grandchildren...seen them many times with you on FB...Sorry to say I don't think much of your daughter using them as a *punishment* to you and your wife.
They are our world. And you don't have to apologize about your thoughts on our daughter. I'd be lying if I said her mom and I hadn't thought the same thing. Which is hard to admit when it's your child.
I am willing to bet when things get a little rough for her she will be back with kids in tow...the ex-felon romance won't last long...maybe her husband..the children's father will have something to say about the company she keeps... :pondering:
I have no doubt she will. It's the pattern of how she does things. But her behavior and this whole mess plays into her ex husbands hands. Now he and his new live in girlfriend can keep the boys to themselves.
Or so he thinks.
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Glad you came out relatively unscathed. Even in your own home with the law and everything on your side, if the system works against you they can just take you down. Glad you made the payments to protect yourself.
What really frosts me is that they take a druggie ex-con's word over you in your own home, then just escalate things to throw you into the meat grinder because a gun was involved. He was trespassing and had no right to be there and threatening you with his behavior, and your daughter was an accomplice.
It should have went the exact opposite of what it did.
That's what everyone involved except for the cop the prosecutor and the judge thought. Even the ladies in pre-trial services couldn't believe I was charged for defending myself in my own home.
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Just wow!!!
I've been trying to think of the positives here...
No one got killed and that's a GREAT thing as I'm sure emotions were quite high.
You got the charges dropped... Thank you LORD!
You have time to rebuild your relationship, Lord willing, with your grandkids.
You found out what a rock your wife is...
You found out who your true friends are...
It was a pretty tough test of your faith...
God bless you my friend and may God grant you wisdom in your decisions. Merry CHRISTmas!
Spot on with all the positives you noted above.
The one thing I forgot to mention in the OP that I'm really grateful for is that I didn't have to fire a round. Don't get me wrong I was prepared to had her ex felon boyfriend stepped out of the bedroom. But I'm glad he had enough of a brain not to test me.
Unlike words, you can't take back that bullet once it's been fired.
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one time the assistant prosecutor working the case that she "wasn't prepared to go to court" on my case. One time my attorney called me and said "don't even bother coming to court today, they aren't ready".
That alone is grounds for dismissal.
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That alone is grounds for dismissal.
I agree.
Oh and to this day we've never seen any body cam footage from that night.
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Just wow!!!
I've been trying to think of the positives here...
No one got killed and that's a GREAT thing as I'm sure emotions were quite high.
You got the charges dropped... Thank you LORD!
You have time to rebuild your relationship, Lord willing, with your grandkids.
You found out what a rock your wife is...
You found out who your true friends are...
It was a pretty tough test of your faith...
God bless you my friend and may God grant you wisdom in your decisions. Merry CHRISTmas!
Guess I really can't add any advice and review above what tator said so elegantly. Pray for wisdom... and sometimes it is best to take the loss over further divides in the family. Sometimes the lost son may be a daughter that returns to you asking forgiveness. Like P.H said, sometimes you have to just take in account the blessings of coming out alive. I do know the hurt will take a while to stop stinging, and it hurts bad I am sure (just judging by run-in with my family).
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That alone is grounds for dismissal.
Not really.
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I wish I felt worthy of that hero status. I’m just glad I was able to push back and prevail.
I will have to read through your story again, but my oh my! What an ordeal you and your wife have been through. Praying for your marriage and for your relationship with your grandchildren.
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I will have to read through your story again, but my oh my! What an ordeal you and your wife have been through. Praying for your marriage and for your relationship with your grandchildren.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Words fail.
Glad to have you back and wish you the best in whichever course of action you decide on.
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Words fail.
Glad to have you back and wish you the best in whichever course of action you decide on.
Thanks. I’ve missed being here.
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@txradioguy
I am grieved to hear of your ordeal, I would love to give you advice but have nothing to help, so I will do the one positive I can and offer prayers and support for you and your wife and hope that you will be able to resume your relationship with your grandsons soon.
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There is perhaps one lesson for us older people in this that we haven't learned from the young very well.
When something is going down, record it with your phone to have a record of it. For us older people we don't think to take that action until the situation has passed. For many young people it is their first response. The record of the threats would have gone a long way in court.
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There is perhaps one lesson for us older people in this that we haven't learned from the young very well.
When something is going down, record it with your phone to have a record of it. For us older people we don't think to take that action until the situation has passed. For many young people it is their first response. The record of the threats would have gone a long way in court.
:thumbsup:
I always tell people: don't get angry, film it and litigate later. Too many people are too quick to resort to life ruining stuff like say January 6th type actions, or getting in altercations. And if you do film, make sure you have a backup copy somewhere too.
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Not really.
I beat a case that way. No witnesses showed up in court to testify against me, so the prosecutor requested the judge dead-docket the case, meaning that it would go into hibernation and could be brought back up in the future. I told the judge that I was there to defend myself as scheduled, and I requested that the charged be dismissed. The judge ruled in my favor.
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@txradioguy
G-d is still on the throne. Place your trust in Him and your thoughts will be established.
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I beat a case that way. No witnesses showed up in court to testify against me, so the prosecutor requested the judge dead-docket the case, meaning that it would go into hibernation and could be brought back up in the future. I told the judge that I was there to defend myself as scheduled, and I requested that the charged be dismissed. The judge ruled in my favor.
Fair enough, but the prosecution's not being ready to try the case on a certain date is not automatic grounds for dismissal. Kentucky rules of criminal procedure allow for motions to postpone hearings or trials.
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There is perhaps one lesson for us older people in this that we haven't learned from the young very well.
When something is going down, record it with your phone to have a record of it. For us older people we don't think to take that action until the situation has passed. For many young people it is their first response. The record of the threats would have gone a long way in court.
We would have but our daughter swiped our phones when the whole thing began and hid them.
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@txradioguy
I can't really add to this, words fail me, but I just want to say I am glad you and your wife are alive and made it through.
God bless you.
I have hope and will pray that you will both see your grandchildren soon.
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@txradioguy
I can't really add to this, words fail me, but I just want to say I am glad you and your wife are alive and made it through.
God bless you.
I have hope and will pray that you will both see your grandchildren soon.
Thank you Groucho. I appreciate that.
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One of the nice things about not having this hang over me anymore is that I can get my guns back from my son's house and I can have a beer again.
Part of the conditions of my bail was no firearms in the house and no alcohol.
Those requirements I've had to live under ended last Thursday.
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One of the nice things about not having this hang over me anymore is that I can get my guns back from my son's house and I can have a beer again.
Part of the conditions of my bail was no firearms in the house and no alcohol.
Those requirements I've had to live under ended last Thursday.
Enjoy!
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Enjoy!
:beer:
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Part of the conditions of my bail was no firearms in the house and no alcohol.
Bastards!
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Part of the conditions of my bail was no firearms in the house and no alcohol.
So... Deer camp then. happy77
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So... Deer camp then. happy77
Yup
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Just got my copy of the grand jury's no true bill documents today.
I think I'm gonna frame them.
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Just got my copy of the grand jury's no true bill documents today.
I think I'm gonna frame them.
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Just got my copy of the grand jury's no true bill documents today.
I think I'm gonna frame them.
@txradioguy Small miracles my friend, small miracles. God Bless to you!
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Yup
BTW: I know it's a little late... so you won't have to bother messin with the deer part. :whistle:
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Part of the conditions of my bail was no firearms in the house and no alcohol.
If I may inquire, do they search your house on a whim to keep an eye on you? I can already in my mind's eye see where I would have to do the "art of cache" around the neighborhood. I feel naked without one of those.... also it seems like punishment for other family members that were not under the microscope...
@txradioguy Another question if you feel like answering it... how bad do they search your digital social media posts? I would hope they couldn't get to mine here.
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I would talk to a good lawyer who has no connections to the County and/or city this all took place in if I were you.
Yep. @txradioguy Find one with teeth, from far enough away that they aren't schmoozing with the locals, and make sure that they have a reputation for hitting hard and taking no prisoners. The local "judicial system" put you, your wife, and some of your family through Hell, and it's time to return the favor. Sloppy cop/prosecutorial work has robbed you of seven months of peace of mind, and more.
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You're not going to like this post.
Sell the place in Kentucky. Move elsewhere -- how about East Tennessee?
Get out of that town, to somewhere else for a "fresh start".
DO NOT provide a forwarding address to the daughter.
Do not contact her again.
Write her OUT of your life (and your will, if you have one). Bad seed.
Remember, if she knows how to find you -- the ex-con does, as well.
Of course, this probably means losing track of the grandkids. So be it.
But you can put THEM in the will (instead of her).
I told you that you weren't going to like this post.
As unsavory as selling and moving might seem, if you do decide to sue, being at least a couple of counties away could help insulate you from any blowback conducted under color of law. From what you have described, that is a very real possibility where you are. (Look for a jurisdiction with a more 2nd Amendment friendly bench as well.)
I know that would be disrupting for your wife's career, too, but not necessarily something really damaging because certifications and licenses should be good anywhere in the State.
Weigh that against the False Arrest, bogus charges, disruption of your lives, loss of two jobs and any income from then (damages that can be quantified), and all else. You could even throw in that because of those events you felt it necessary to move as you were no longer comfortable in your home (in that jurisdiction). That could make for a pretty meaty lawsuit.
Things to consider, anyway, but make sure you get your feet back under you.
Remember, Time wounds all heels, and as much as you want the fight to be over, the only way to prevent it from happening to someone else is to hit back at the people who perpetrated this miscarriage of justice as far as they did.
Thankfully, the good sense of the Grand Jury prevailed over the views of a court and police force who apparently ignored the law and facts of the case out of laziness or incompetence to push their personal political agendas.
You are all in my prayers, especially the grandkids who are being denied access to you. In time they will likely realize what they are missing, and hopefully are old enough to figure out how to find you when they come of age. My heart goes out to you all.
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As unsavory as selling and moving might seem, if you do decide to sue, being at least a couple of counties away could help insulate you from any blowback conducted under color of law. From what you have described, that is a very real possibility where you are. (Look for a jurisdiction with a more 2nd Amendment friendly bench as well.)
I know that would be disrupting for your wife's career, too, but not necessarily something really damaging because certifications and licenses should be good anywhere in the State.
Weigh that against the False Arrest, bogus charges, disruption of your lives, loss of two jobs and any income from then (damages that can be quantified), and all else. You could even throw in that because of those events you felt it necessary to move as you were no longer comfortable in your home (in that jurisdiction). That could make for a pretty meaty lawsuit.
Things to consider, anyway, but make sure you get your feet back under you.
Remember, Time wounds all heels, and as much as you want the fight to be over, the only way to prevent it from happening to someone else is to hit back at the people who perpetrated this miscarriage of justice as far as they did.
Thankfully, the good sense of the Grand Jury prevailed over the views of a court and police force who apparently ignored the law and facts of the case out of laziness or incompetence to push their personal political agendas.
You are all in my prayers, especially the grandkids who are being denied access to you. In time they will likely realize what they are missing, and hopefully are old enough to figure out how to find you when they come of age. My heart goes out to you all.
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@txradioguy
I was never one for indoor surveillance cameras, my kids never had anyone but grandma watch them at home, but your ordeal sure argues for them as well as not disclosing them to anyone. As was proven in your instance phones aren't always available, plus not having a phone pointed at them means that there won't be any holding back by bad actors.
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@txradioguy
I was never one for indoor surveillance cameras, my kids never had anyone but grandma watch them at home, but your ordeal sure argues for them as well as not disclosing them to anyone. As was proven in your instance phones aren't always available, plus not having a phone pointed at them means that there won't be any holding back by bad actors.
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@txradioguy
I was never one for indoor surveillance cameras, my kids never had anyone but grandma watch them at home, but your ordeal sure argues for them as well as not disclosing them to anyone. As was proven in your instance phones aren't always available, plus not having a phone pointed at them means that there won't be any holding back by bad actors.
We're already talking bout updating our security system with indoor cams.
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If I may inquire, do they search your house on a whim to keep an eye on you? I can already in my mind's eye see where I would have to do the "art of cache" around the neighborhood. I feel naked without one of those.... also it seems like punishment for other family members that were not under the microscope...
They never came and checked the house. I never gave them a reason to after the initial incident. We pretty much became hermits. Didn't go out a lot. Just work and home.
You're right it is a punishment for other family members.
@txradioguy Another question if you feel like answering it... how bad do they search your digital social media posts? I would hope they couldn't get to mine here.
I don't know how much or if they checked. I didn't take any chances...which is part of the reason I disappeared from here. I shut down my FB and Twitter accounts for awhile too.
After I brought those back online I was very careful about what I posted...on FB anyway.
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They never came and checked the house. I never gave them a reason to after the initial incident. We pretty much became hermits. Didn't go out a lot. Just work and home.
You're right it is a punishment for other family members.
I don't know how much or if they checked. I didn't take any chances...which is part of the reason I disappeared from here. I shut down my FB and Twitter accounts for awhile too.
After I brought those back online I was very careful about what I posted...on FB anyway.
Sounds like you had a good plan of action... thanks for answering buddy. I imagine it would near impossible with today's tech/dogs/metal detectors/etc... to hide something on premise if they want to do an anal exam on it like history has shown. Wonder if you could hide something so long that it could be claimed as forgotten.