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Title: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 10, 2022, 11:47:03 am
American Rifleman by Guy J. Sagi September 27, 2022

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/new-4-4-mile-shooting-record-set-in-wyoming/ (https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/new-4-4-mile-shooting-record-set-in-wyoming/)

A new long-distance shooting record of 4.4 miles was set September 13 in western Wyoming by a shooter who requested anonymity. Scott Austin and Shepard Humphries, managers at Nomad Rifleman, near Jackson Hole, Wyo., coordinated the massive undertaking that included a support team at the firing line and multiple spotters downrange to call impacts and document/verify the shot.

It took the pair more than 20 months for the rifle to be built, craft the bullets, collect the accessories and assemble to expertise to accomplish the feat. It was shot No. 69 that hit the 8" orange circle, 24.5 seconds after the shooter squeezed the trigger. It punched through the 4'x10' thin metal sheet only 3.125" from dead-center.

Multiple shots to walk a gun onto target are common when extreme long distance is the pursuit, but this range presented a whole new set of challenges. To reach that distance, the bullet rose 2,500 feet above the bore, into wind meteorologists only dope by weather balloon. Despite the unmeasured variable, the record-setting shot resulted from a 53-m.o.a. wind call in ground breezes that averaged 8 mph. Elevation adjustment was a mind-boggling 1,092 m.o.a. Spindrift adjustment was calculated at 93.80" to the right.

“These types of shots are just for fun” explained Shepard. “This is not for hunting purposes, and the hit isn’t consistently repeatable yet. Maybe the people who beat our record and the other smart cookies in the ELR [extreme long range] world will be able to make first-round hits at these distances in the years to come, but at this point, it isn’t a sure thing.”

The rifle was built by S&S Sporting in Driggs, Idaho, and assembled from customized parts and accessories from Canada, New Zealand, Arkansas, South Dakota and elsewhere. It is chambered in .416 Barrett and used a hand-lathed Cutting Edge MTAC 422-grain bullet. Muzzle velocity was 3,300 f.p.s. and it hit the target at 689 f.p.s.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: EdinVA on October 10, 2022, 12:30:02 pm
Talk about a long shot...  :shrug:
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Hoodat on October 10, 2022, 01:09:09 pm
Am I reading this correctly?  The shooter had to aim 1 km above target?
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 10, 2022, 07:33:00 pm
Am I reading this correctly?  The shooter had to aim 1 km above target?

No.  The rifle scope is above the bore. The bore of the rifle is angled up in relation to the line of sight thru the scope. The target is aimed at through the scope. When the gun is fired, the bullet travels up, crosses the line of sight, and at some distance peaks and begins to come down crossing the line of sight again at the distance to the target.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 10, 2022, 07:37:33 pm
No.  The rifle scope is above the bore. The bore of the rifle is angled up in relation to the line of sight thru the scope. The target is aimed at through the scope. When the gun is fired, the bullet travels up, crosses the line of sight, and at some distance peaks and begins to come down crossing the line of sight again at the distance to the target.
All correct. If the top of that arc was at 2,500 ft., the path of flight did go nearly 1km above the line of sight to target. That is a complicating factor as it is a guess what the wind and atmospheric conditions are up there without a weather balloon...
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2022, 07:54:37 pm
It is no surprise, and perhaps no coincidence that such a shot was made in the land of the antelope. Jussayin.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 10, 2022, 07:57:21 pm
(https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/dkdicsil/longshot.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=133086648511300000&quality=70)

Look at that scope mount for a 1,092 m.o.a.  And it was the 69th shot that was the new record shot.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: sneakypete on October 11, 2022, 04:02:21 am
(https://www.americanrifleman.org/media/dkdicsil/longshot.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=987&height=551&rnd=133086648511300000&quality=70)

Look at that scope mount for a 1,092 m.o.a.  And it was the 69th shot that was the new record  shot.

@Elderberry

Uhhhhh.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Lando Lincoln on October 11, 2022, 04:58:51 am
Silly, or so it seems to me.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Sighlass on October 11, 2022, 05:43:33 am
Lead still had some speed at 4 miles... had to be a special caliber.

Edit: Ok, it was a .416 which is a big bad round.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 11, 2022, 12:43:45 pm
Lead still had some speed at 4 miles... had to be a special caliber.

Edit: Ok, it was a .416 which is a big bad round.

It wasn't lead.
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/416-422gr-mtac-match-tactical (https://cuttingedgebullets.com/416-422gr-mtac-match-tactical)
Quote
(https://cuttingedgebullets.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5f871e0ef899a069fdd830d4b5f35473/m/t/mtac_v422_1.jpg)

.416 422gr MTAC (Match/Tactical) - 50ct
$105.71
Available for Backorder
SKU MTAC 416 422

50ct

This bullet was designed exclusively for .416 Barrett rifles. Our MTAC line is machined out of lead free solid copper bar stock on a CNC swiss lathe. These are a high BC, solid bullet designed exclusively for target use at all ranges. A unique feature of this bullet is our patented SealTite™ band which is a band slightly larger than caliber diameter around the bullet which was designed to eliminate fliers by preventing gas blow-by. The SealTite™ band also decreases copper fouling which is typically associated with mono metal bullets.

Formerly MTAC V422

Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Kamaji on October 11, 2022, 01:04:15 pm
It wasn't lead.
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/416-422gr-mtac-match-tactical (https://cuttingedgebullets.com/416-422gr-mtac-match-tactical)

What's the per-round price on those puppies?
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 11, 2022, 01:23:11 pm
What's the per-round price on those puppies?

Ain't one from the mfg. You'd have to find someone that'd sell you one to find out.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Lando Lincoln on October 11, 2022, 02:49:27 pm
What's the per-round price on those puppies?

Just below the pic: $105.71 per 50 ct.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Kamaji on October 11, 2022, 03:42:31 pm
Just below the pic: $105.71 per 50 ct.

Thanks!  Sorry for my poor eyesight.

That makes it about $2 a round, which ain't that bad, all things considered.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 03:53:42 pm
Just below the pic: $105.71 per 50 ct.

I'm pretty sure that price is for projectiles only NOT loaded rounds @Lando Lincoln @Kamaji
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 03:56:26 pm
Silly, or so it seems to me.

 :yowsa: Even if it was done with a .50 caliber round and a 750gr bullet there wouldn't be much energy left after a four mile journey.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Kamaji on October 11, 2022, 04:06:23 pm
:yowsa: Even if it was done with a .50 caliber round and a 750gr bullet there wouldn't be much energy left after a four mile journey.

According to this bullet energy calculator (link: https://www.larrywillis.com/bullet-energy.html ), it had 10,202.19 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle, and 444.73 foot-pounds of energy at the target, based on the given speeds (3,300 fps at muzzle, 689 fps at target).
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 04:11:29 pm
According to this bullet energy calculator (link: https://www.larrywillis.com/bullet-energy.html ), it had 10,202.19 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle, and 444.73 foot-pounds of energy at the target, based on the given speeds (3,300 fps at muzzle, 689 fps at target).

 :yowsa: Very little more than a 124gr bullet travelling 1100fps
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Lando Lincoln on October 11, 2022, 04:22:14 pm
I'm pretty sure that price is for projectiles only NOT loaded rounds @Lando Lincoln @Kamaji

@Bigun you are correct.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 11, 2022, 04:33:58 pm
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Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 04:36:37 pm
BUY BARRETT 416 BARRETT AMMO ONLINE

https://barrettfirearmstore.com/barrett-416-barrett-ammo/ (https://barrettfirearmstore.com/barrett-416-barrett-ammo/)

$4.00 per round sounds about right.

Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Lando Lincoln on October 11, 2022, 04:39:09 pm
$4.00 per round sounds about right.

I imagine the as-fired rounds were a bit more pricey.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 04:47:06 pm
I imagine the as-fired rounds were a bit more pricey.

I'm sure you are correct.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 11, 2022, 04:49:04 pm
Those are great prices.

I just checked Ammoseek for ammo prices on my puny 6.5 x 47 Lapua and ammo is going for $2.70 to $4.20 a round. That's why I reload.
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Bigun on October 11, 2022, 04:59:33 pm
The above mentioned .50 BMG round would still have 900 foot pounds of energy at that range. About twice that of the .416 and three times that of a .45acp round at the muzzle. Bullet apogee would be just over two kilometers and flight time just over 24 seconds.

https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php?pl=.50+BMG+100yd&presets=30-06+Springfield%7E30-06+180gr+Sierra+Matchking%7EG1%7E0.475%7E180%7E2750%7E100%7E1.5%7E0%7E10%7E90%7E%7E0%7E59%7E29.92%7E50%7E1%7E1000%7E25&df=G1&bc=1.050&bw=750&vi=2820&zr=100&sh=1.5&sa=0&ws=0&wa=90&ssb=on&cr=7500&ss=100&chartColumns=Range%7Eyd%60Elevation%7Ein%60Elevation%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Elevation%7EMIL%60Windage%7Ein%60Windage%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Windage%7EMIL%60Time%7Es%60Energy%7Eft.lbf%60Vel%5Bx%2By%5D%7Eft%2Fs&lbl=50+BMG+750gr+Hornady+A-Max&submitst=+Create+Graph+
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Kamaji on October 11, 2022, 05:57:11 pm
The above mentioned .50 BMG round would still have 900 foot pounds of energy at that range. About twice that of the .416 and three times that of a .45acp round at the muzzle. Bullet apogee would be just over two kilometers and flight time just over 24 seconds.

https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php?pl=.50+BMG+100yd&presets=30-06+Springfield%7E30-06+180gr+Sierra+Matchking%7EG1%7E0.475%7E180%7E2750%7E100%7E1.5%7E0%7E10%7E90%7E%7E0%7E59%7E29.92%7E50%7E1%7E1000%7E25&df=G1&bc=1.050&bw=750&vi=2820&zr=100&sh=1.5&sa=0&ws=0&wa=90&ssb=on&cr=7500&ss=100&chartColumns=Range%7Eyd%60Elevation%7Ein%60Elevation%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Elevation%7EMIL%60Windage%7Ein%60Windage%7EMOA%7EFBFFF5%60Windage%7EMIL%60Time%7Es%60Energy%7Eft.lbf%60Vel%5Bx%2By%5D%7Eft%2Fs&lbl=50+BMG+750gr+Hornady+A-Max&submitst=+Create+Graph+

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 4.4-Mile Shooting Record Set In Wyoming
Post by: Elderberry on October 11, 2022, 06:11:33 pm
A Short History of Long Range Shooting in the United States

By Hap Rocketto

http://pronematch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/A-Short-History-of-Long-Range-Shooting-in-the-USA.pdf (http://pronematch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/A-Short-History-of-Long-Range-Shooting-in-the-USA.pdf)