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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2020, 03:25:19 pm
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Donald Trump: ‘Facts Are on Our Side’ in Election Fight, but ‘Time Isn’t’
Charlie Spiering 27 Nov 2020
President Donald Trump admitted to reporters Thursday that though facts are on his side in the legal fight over the results of the election, time is not.
“As to whether or not I can get this apparatus moving this quickly–because time isn’t on our side…,†Trump said. “Everything else is on our side. Facts are on our side.â€
The president spoke to reporters Thursday evening after speaking to members of the armed forces for Thanksgiving Day.
A reporter asked Trump if he would concede the presidential election if the electoral college voted for former Vice President Joe Biden on December 14.
“It’s going to be a very hard thing to concede because we know there was massive fraud,†he said.
Trump questioned the voting process and the vote-counting machines as well as the mail-in ballot process, which, he said, was open to fraud.
“This should never take place in this country. We’re like a third world country,†he said. “We have machines that nobody knows what the hell they’re looking at.â€
Trump also questioned how Biden could beat Obama’s vote numbers in swing states but remain far below Obama’s records in other areas of the country.
“This is not a candidate that could get 80 million votes. This is just not a candidate,†he said. “This is not a candidate that beat Barack Hussein Obama with the black voter, okay?â€
Trump said that conceding was a “possibility†and snapped at a reporter for pressing him on the issue.
“You’re just a lightweight. Don’t talk to me that way. I’m the President of the United States,†Trump replied. “Don’t ever talk to the president that way.â€
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/27/donald-trump-facts-our-side-election-fight-time-isnt/# (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/27/donald-trump-facts-our-side-election-fight-time-isnt/#)
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It would be great if the lawyers present those facts in court soon. Otherwise he isn't doing himself any favors for 2024
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It would be great if the lawyers present those facts in court soon. Otherwise he isn't doing himself any favors for 2024
If he is allowed to present those facts in court soon 2024 will be of no concern to him.
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It would be great if the lawyers present those facts in court soon. Otherwise he isn't doing himself any favors for 2024
I wish for that too. We have a hardline of Dec 15 don't we?
But the legal system is a slow ponderous thing, isn't it?
BTW, welcome to TBR @Knox27
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I wish for that too.
But the legal system is a slow ponderous thing, isn't it?
BTW, welcome to TBR @Knox27
Thanks, let's see how long an Eisenhower republican lasts here!
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Thanks, let's see how long an Eisenhower republican lasts here!
@Knox27
Hmmm..I have never heard of an Eisenhower Repub....just what is that?
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@Knox27
Hmmm..I have never heard of an Eisenhower Repub....just what is that?
Well its tough to give a synopsis without writing an essay. But its close to republican party platforms of the 50s and 60s. Really through gerald ford.
Its tough to summarize! Today that means what people call northeast Republicans I guess.
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Well its tough to give a synopsis without writing an essay. But its close to republican party platforms of the 50s and 60s. Really through gerald ford.
Its tough to summarize! Today that means what people call northeast Republicans I guess.
I believe I have heard them referred to as Rockefeller Republicans.
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I believe I have heard them referred to as Rockefeller Republicans.
Yes, that's probably the term id use more often. Blame a turkey and wine hangover.
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Eisenhower was the Supreme Commander of allied forces in WWII. After the war he became President and many U.S.coins bear his image. Eisenhower hated the corruption of politics, and defying them he went golfing and ignored them, to their outrage.
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I believe I have heard them referred to as Rockefeller Republicans.
Yes...I think we have all heard that term.
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Yes, that's probably the term id use more often. Blame a turkey and wine hangover.
I believe you instead just dated yourself. wink777
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I believe you instead just dated yourself. wink777
Lol no im actually 38 years old! I just think very highly of him, and inasmuch as I can rate presidents, I have him on top of my list.
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Eisenhower was the Supreme Commander of allied forces in WWII. After the war he became President and many U.S.coins bear his image. Eisenhower hated the corruption of politics, and defying them he went golfing and ignored them, to their outrage.
One reason I never was bothered by obama or trump golfing! He is number 2 in rounds played as president
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If he is allowed to present those facts in court soon 2024 will be of no concern to him.
Time isn't on Trump's side ... realistically and in all practicality, Biden (or Harris) will be sworn in.
As for 2024 ... seriously? Does anyone really think at 78 years old, Trump is going to want to run again and put up with the b.s. from the left? Secondly, IMHO if anyone really thinks that after 4 years of the leftists attack on shredding our Constitution, amnesty, packing the courts and changing the electoral process that we'll even see an election in 2024, I think they're dreaming.
Socialism will be implemented. Welcome to the continued Bammy transformation.
The GOP had plenty of time to change things when they held the majority in both Houses and they absolutely failed!!!
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Time isn't on Trump's side ... realistically and in all practicality, Biden (or Harris) will be sworn in.
As for 2024 ... seriously? Does anyone really think at 78 years old, Trump is going to want to run again and put up with the b.s. from the left? Secondly, IMHO if anyone really thinks that after 4 years of the leftists attack on shredding our Constitution, amnesty, packing the courts and changing the electoral process that we'll even see an election in 2024, I think they're dreaming.
Socialism will be implemented. Welcome to the continued Bammy transformation.
The GOP had plenty of time to change things when they held the majority in both Houses and they absolutely failed!!!
Exactly right although I don't blame Trump for it, it was that SOB Paul Ryan.
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Welcome to TBR @Knox27 You're gonna have some good company here, judging by your first few posts. Quite a few 'hardcore' Conservatives occupy this Board and the Woman that owns it tolerates us with a zeal unmatched on the interwebz.
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Welcome to TBR @Knox27 You're gonna have some good company here, judging by your first few posts. Quite a few 'hardcore' Conservatives occupy this Board and the Woman that owns it tolerates us with a zeal unmatched on the interwebz.
Among my highest aspirations is to be tolerated.
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Exactly right although I don't blame Trump for it, it was that SOB Paul Ryan.
Definitely not blaming Trump. Indeed the bulk of the blame likes on Paul Ryan and like a whimp he stepped down right as the GOPe seats in the House tanked BIGLY. He had lots of time to make some accomplishments; he was nothing more than a hindrance to the party; along with McCain they both sunk the party. It's still sinking.
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bele wrote (of the Republican party):
"...It's still sinking."
Indeed. Going down fast right now.
I'll still vote for the Republicans in the years to come (hoping I have at least several more of them left), but I'll make a Fishrrman prediction about the future of the country:
If the USA is eventually reclaimed from the communists, IT'S NOT going to be "the Republican party" that saves it or leads the way.
It will be "something else".
Not sure who or what right now.
It could even be "an American Pinochet".
That part of the future is too nebulous to be seen.
What CAN be clearly "seen" is that there will be years... decades... of hard times until then...
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Definitely not blaming Trump. Indeed the bulk of the blame likes on Paul Ryan and like a whimp he stepped down right as the GOPe seats in the House tanked BIGLY. He had lots of time to make some accomplishments; he was nothing more than a hindrance to the party; along with McCain they both sunk the party. It's still sinking.
No, it is always the same. Only ONCE in my life has the Congress been in control of Conservatives (94), and that was short lived.
This is THE product of those who believe in pragmatism and the big tent... It's a damnable lie.
The Democrats fight like dogs for their progressive base, and have succeeded beyond measure over the last thirty years.
Republicans do the exact opposite - Preaching moderation and counseling against their conservative base, always hedging toward globalism and toward liberalism... And have done NOTHING to forward Conservatism in the last thirty years.
It ain't the Democrats cutting your throat - It's your own damn party sneaking in from the back.
I mean this exactly: Liberalism is not winning by its merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
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It would be great if the lawyers present those facts in court soon. Otherwise he isn't doing himself any favors for 2024
@Knox27
It would be if the judges were to allow it,but it SEEMS to me "the fix is in",and none of the judges hand-picked to hear these cases ain't gonna allow that to happen.
And let's face it,if the Feebs were ever forced to start arresting corrupt politicians who committed fel
The swamp is deep and the swamp is wide,and it is all interconnected. The flip side of "You scratch my back and I will scratch your back" is "If you rat me out,I will make sure we end up being cellmates."
"Mutual Assured Destruction".
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@Knox27
Hmmm..I have never heard of an Eisenhower Repub....just what is that?
@mystery-ak
It's a Republican that likes to get paid for playing golf and socializing,and never EVER being tied to anything controversial. He is everybody's friend,and on both sides of any issue you might mention.
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Well its tough to give a synopsis without writing an essay. But its close to republican party platforms of the 50s and 60s. Really through gerald ford.
Its tough to summarize! Today that means what people call northeast Republicans I guess.
@Knox27
I think the term "RINO" is appropriate. These are the same creatures that almost stroked-out when Goldwater won the nomination. They talk a "good game",but that's all they do.
If anything controversial comes up,they always side with the Dims because the Dims have been a majority for almost 100 years now.
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Eisenhower was the Supreme Commander of allied forces in WWII. After the war he became President and many U.S.coins bear his image. Eisenhower hated the corruption of politics, and defying them he went golfing and ignored them, to their outrage.
@christian
THAT's an "interesting" way to put it.
Another is he had no balls,and never even really tried to be a President. Then again,he was nothing more than a politician in uniform to start with.
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Among my highest aspirations is to be tolerated.
@Knox27
I always wanted to be known as a swell dancer.
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If he is allowed to present those facts in court soon 2024 will be of no concern to him.
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Allowing the nomination of Trump as POTUS in 2024
would be an act of public suicide by the GOP!!!
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Well its tough to give a synopsis without writing an essay. But its close to republican party platforms of the 50s and 60s, really through Gerald ford. Its tough to summarize! Today that means what people call northeast Republicans I guess.
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Eisenhower R's were progressive left politicos in the image of Rockefeller.
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Eisenhower R's were progressive left politicos in the image of Rockefeller.
Not everyone to the left of you is a leftist. Classic republican ideals, loathsome to you, are a major part of the future of any republican party that wants to compete nationally.
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@Knox27
RINO is less and less of an insult to us as time goes by
I think the term "RINO" is appropriate. These are the same creatures that almost stroked-out when Goldwater won the nomination. They talk a "good game",but that's all they do.
If anything controversial comes up,they always side with the Dims because the Dims have been a majority for almost 100 years now.
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Not everyone to the left of you is a leftist. Classic republican ideals, loathsome to you, are a major part of the future of any republican party that wants to compete nationally.
Then you can keep em.
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Eisenhower R's were progressive left politicos in the image of Rockefeller.
@Absalom
The impossible just happened. I agreed with you.
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Not everyone to the left of you is a leftist. Classic republican ideals, loathsome to you, are a major part of the future of any republican party that wants to compete nationally.
And they are well repesented with the likes of jerks like Romney, Collins, and Murkowski. Plus add approx. 1-2 dozen in the House. They may have a part, but almost as much as the enemy as dimocratic counterparts.
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And they are well repesented with the likes of jerks like Romney, Collins, and Murkowski. Plus add approx. 1-2 dozen in the House. They may have a part, but almost as much as the enemy as dimocratic counterparts.
Not well represented enough. Unless you want democrats to keep peeling off states. Look at the popular vote totals for presidential elections. We have lost 6 of the last 7. North Carolina and Georgia are swing states now.
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Not well represented enough. Unless you want democrats to keep peeling off states. Look at the popular vote totals for presidential elections. We have lost 6 of the last 7. North Carolina and Georgia are swing states now.
Take away the manufactured votes and that is FAR less true everywhere. The ONLY time Democrats win is when they cheat on a grand scale.
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Take away the manufactured votes and that is FAR less true everywhere. The ONLY time Democrats win is when they cheat on a grand scale.
Then there needs to be proof brought out or 2022 and 2024 will be more of the same.
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Take away the manufactured votes and that is FAR less true everywhere. The ONLY time Democrats win is when they cheat on a grand scale.
Once a state flips to blue it can never change back.
The rats are after a single party nation, that much should be clear to even the most dense among us.
What are some other names for single party nations? Wake up America.
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Then there needs to be proof brought out or 2022 and 2024 will be more of the same.
There is a mountain of it currently before us but you have to be willing to see it for yourself because the thoroughly corrupt media WILL NOT show you any of it!
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There is a mountain of it currently before us but you have to be willing to see it for yourself because the thoroughly corrupt media WILL NOT show you any of it!
I see claims of mountains of evidence. I see claims of hundreds of affidavits. I've seen claims of foreign interference. I've seen claims of lots of things. I've also seen republican judges dismiss case after case after case.
Show me code that switches votes. Show me credible witnesses that are testifying. Show me tangible proof of those that conspired to flip or add votes. Show me some proof. Anything! Tell me why a guy on Facebook or more credible than the dept of homeland security or fbi.
You may despise us, but you need us to win votes before we become a party restricted to the deep south and midwest.
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I'm happy to accommodate you, sir!
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtwfyi78Bs&feature=youtu.be#)
Watch that and remember that every witness is under penalty of perjury. And this is just the state of Pensylvania.
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I see claims of mountains of evidence. I see claims of hundreds of affidavits. I've seen claims of foreign interference. I've seen claims of lots of things. I've also seen republican judges dismiss case after case after case.
Show me code that switches votes. Show me credible witnesses that are testifying. Show me tangible proof of those that conspired to flip or add votes. Show me some proof. Anything! Tell me why a guy on Facebook or more credible than the dept of homeland security or fbi.
You may despise us, but you need us to win votes before we become a party restricted to the deep south and midwest.
Trump was well on his way to expanding the party, having increased the republican percentage of votes in every demographic other than (ironically) white males.
Not bad for a white supremacist.
But that really doesn't matter to the party fathers, they want things the way they were, they want their sinecures back.
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Trump was well on his way to expanding the party, having increased the republican percentage of votes in every demographic other than (ironically) white males.
Not bad for a white supremacist.
But that really doesn't matter to the party fathers, they want things the way they were, they want their sinecures back.
They love their damned swamp just as it is and no draining will occur if they can prevent it.
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I'm happy to accommodate you, sir!
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtwfyi78Bs&feature=youtu.be#)
Watch that and remember that every witness is under penalty of perjury. And this is just the state of Pensylvania.
Let me know when they present evidence of fraud or vote manipulation in a courtroom. I dont need to be lied to in a press conference.
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(https://image-cdn.parler.com/m/8/m8sZErMzxq.jpeg)
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They love their damned swamp just as it is and no draining will occur if they can prevent it.
The internationalist, collectivist ideology of the left is the sole motive force in American politics because the republican party offers nothing to oppose it.
America First is the only concept that can effectively compete. Unfortunately the idea doesn't offer enough opportunities to the elite to make money.
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Trump was well on his way to expanding the party, having increased the republican percentage of votes in every demographic other than (ironically) white males.
Not bad for a white supremacist.
But that really doesn't matter to the party fathers, they want things the way they were, they want their sinecures back.
Cool, now let's nominate someone that can win the popular vote instead of losing it a second time by a greater margin than the first time.
Id love to see someone like Larry hogan or one of the sununu brothers run in 2024.
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For your attention @Knox27 should you care to take a look. Which I very much doubt!
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf)
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Let me know when they present evidence of fraud or vote manipulation in a courtroom. I dont need to be lied to in a press conference.
Something tells me there is no amount of evidence that would convince you.
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Something tells me there is no amount of evidence that would convince you.
:yowsa: I'm pretty much there as well @skeeter
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Cool, now let's nominate someone that can win the popular vote instead of losing it a second time by a greater margin than the first time.
Id love to see someone like Larry hogan or one of the sununu brothers run in 2024.
I'll leave you alone with your circular argument.
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:yowsa: I'm pretty much there as well @skeeter
They are so pleased - I almost hate to tell them things are never going back to the way they were.
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Not well represented enough. Unless you want democrats to keep peeling off states. Look at the popular vote totals for presidential elections. We have lost 6 of the last 7. North Carolina and Georgia are swing states now.
@Knox27 @catfish1957
So,winning is more important than WHAT you have won?
Following YOUR logic,to be a winner this time,you needed to vote for Biden.
Maybe it's just me,but I see a major flaw in your reasoning.
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For your attention @Knox27 should you care to take a look. Which I very much doubt!
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf)
I'm familiar with this. Im very suspicious as to why he thinks someone listing themselves as working with dominion means they actually do. Anyone on LinkedIn knows there are strange people from random places that claim employment at places. This is his basis for his claims. And by the way, in his convoluted affidavit he never shows a shred of proof about the election server being accessed. Only that he claims it could be.
Call me when anything is presented in court. I'll take the word of the dept of homeland security and fbi until then.
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@Knox27 @catfish1957
So,winning is more important than WHAT you have won?
Following YOUR logic,to be a winner this time,you needed to vote for Biden.
Maybe it's just me,but I see a major flaw in your reasoning.
No. My issue is that we need moderate competent candidates that can win elections. Hillary and biden are super weak candidates, Hillary the most unlikable person in politics, but still got more votes. Its telling we didn't win by 8 points in 2016. Now we lost by 6 million. How can it not be obvious the republican party needs to get back to the platforms that convinced people to vote for it overwhelmingly
Both winning and what you win is important.
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I'm familiar with this. Im very suspicious as to why he thinks someone listing themselves as working with dominion means they actually do. Anyone on LinkedIn knows there are strange people from random places that claim employment at places. This is his basis for his claims. And by the way, in his convoluted affidavit he never shows a shred of proof about the election server being accessed. Only that he claims it could be.
Call me when anything is presented in court. I'll take the word of the dept of homeland security and fbi until then.
Well ... you can do just that. I see it as foolish; perhaps inexperienced or lack of being informed. The last people that I would trust is the DHS and the FBI, but especially the DHS.
At any rate, @Knox27 -- welcome to the forum.
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No. My issue is that we need moderate competent candidates that can win elections. Hillary and biden are super weak candidates, Hillary the most unlikable person in politics, but still got more votes. Its telling we didn't win by 8 points in 2016. Now we lost by 6 million. How can it not be obvious the republican party needs to get back to the platforms that convinced people to vote for it overwhelmingly
Both winning and what you win is important.
@Knox27
What that tells me is the same thing as Biden getting more votes than Trump tells me,the ballot counting was rigged.
There is no way in HELL that senile old fool who hid in his basement for almost the whole campaign pulled in more votes than Trump.
Especially not when you consider everybody with any interest in reading the news knows about his son Hunter being his front man for the corruption and under the table pay-offs disguised at fees for advise and paid through a board seat on a foreign oil company.
Then there is Slow Joe's fondling of minor children in front of cameras.
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Well ... you can do just that. I see it as foolish; perhaps inexperienced or lack of being informed. The last people that I would trust is the DHS and the FBI, but especially the DHS.
At any rate, @Knox27 -- welcome to the forum.
@libertybele @Knox27
It doesn't matter. Knox is obviously a Bush Republican,and getting along and being polite and mannerly is more important to him than winning and saving the country.
Trump could have been running against Hitler,and Knox wouldn't have supported him.
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I'm familiar with this. Im very suspicious as to why he thinks someone listing themselves as working with dominion means they actually do. Anyone on LinkedIn knows there are strange people from random places that claim employment at places. This is his basis for his claims. And by the way, in his convoluted affidavit he never shows a shred of proof about the election server being accessed. Only that he claims it could be.
Call me when anything is presented in court. I'll take the word of the dept of homeland security and fbi until then.
And with that, I will say goodbye! After all that has happened over the last four years, anyone who still has any faith at all in the FBI is on crack as far as I'm concerned!
BlueSkyReport
@BlueSky_Report
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🔥MOAB: The #Kraken is
@GenFlynn
. He commanded the 111th Military Intelligence Brigade for the U.S. Army at Fort Huachuca AZ. Insignia = KRAKEN
The 305th Military Intelligence Battalion is located at Fort Huachuca AZ (MI witness for
@SidneyPowell1) Coincidence? #KrakenIncoming
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En20lWHWMAA3dlQ?format=png&name=small
https://twitter.com/BlueSky_Report/status/1332421817227763718
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And with that, I will say goodbye! After all that has happened over the last four years, anyone who still has any faith at all in the FBI is on crack as far as I'm concerned!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En20lWHWMAA3dlQ?format=png&name=small
https://twitter.com/BlueSky_Report/status/1332421817227763718
The 305th Military Intelligence Battalion is the source for the claim Iran and China were involved with the Dominion machines.
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The 305th Military Intelligence Battalion is the source for the claim Iran and China were involved with the Dominion machines.
:yowsa: And I'll just bet they can prove it!
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@Knox27
What that tells me is the same thing as Biden getting more votes than Trump tells me,the ballot counting was rigged.
There is no way in HELL that senile old fool who hid in his basement for almost the whole campaign pulled in more votes than Trump.
Especially not when you consider everybody with any interest in reading the news knows about his son Hunter being his front man for the corruption and under the table pay-offs disguised at fees for advise and paid through a board seat on a foreign oil company.
Then there is Slow Joe's fondling of minor children in front of cameras.
Where was the allegations, investigations, lawsuits, or convictions for fraud in 2016? I see two options: either the elections are secure and we are losing to bad candidates, or there is massive countrywide fraud involving thousands of people, none of whom have been caught or came forward, let alone charged or investigated. Which seems more likely? To me its apparent.
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The 305th Military Intelligence Battalion is the source for the claim Iran and China were involved with the Dominion machines.
No, its a guy that worked for the 305th that is the source. let him present his evidence. which is not fictitious people on linkedin please...
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@libertybele @Knox27
It doesn't matter. Knox is obviously a Bush Republican,and getting along and being polite and mannerly is more important to him than winning and saving the country.
Trump could have been running against Hitler,and Knox wouldn't have supported him.
What did we just win? What did we save? 80 million people just voted for a middling candidate over us.
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:yowsa: And I'll just bet they can prove it!
@Bigun
Not without disclosing intelligence assets in or connected to the Chinese or Iranian governments,they can't.
There are people in our intelligence agencies that know a great number of things,but can't disclose what they know without exposing the agent that provided it to them.
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What did we just win? What did we save? 80 million people just voted for a middling candidate over us.
No they didn't! Nowhere near 80 million legal citizens voted for that idiot and we are going to prove it in court!
(https://i.imgur.com/FuflwKT.jpg)
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Where was the allegations, investigations, lawsuits, or convictions for fraud in 2016?
Are we talking about the 2016 election,or the 2020 election? Make up your mind.
I see two options: either the elections are secure and we are losing to bad candidates, or there is massive countrywide fraud involving thousands of people, none of whom have been caught or came forward, let alone charged or investigated. Which seems more likely? To me its apparent.
It is also apparent to me,but I seriously doubt you would agree with my conclusions,being the "good party man" that you are.
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@Bigun
Not without disclosing intelligence assets in or connected to the Chinese or Iranian governments,they can't.
There are people in our intelligence agencies that know a great number of things,but can't disclose what they know without exposing the agent that provided it to them.
If the security of our elections isn't worth disclosing those assets what do you imagine would be @sneakypete
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My issue is that we need moderate competent candidates that can win elections.
"Moderates"? Like G. H. W. Bush who surrendered to the Ds on tax increases and as a consequence was a one-term President?
"Moderates"? Like G. W. Bush who "took the high road" against Dem and MSM revilings and did not fight for his judicial appointees?
"Moderates"? Like CA Governor Pete Wilson, whose enduring legacy is a divided and impotent California Republican Party?
"Moderates"? Like CA Governor Ahhhhhhnold, who asked how high on the way up when Dems commanded, "Jump!"?
The Gospel of Moderacy is a Gospel of Surrender.
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No, its a guy that worked for the 305th that is the source. let him present his evidence. which is not fictitious people on linkedin please...
@Knox27
No insult intended,but it is impossible to debate with someone as ignorant of intelligence,military,and foreign government actions as you are.
Who do you get your facts from,Oprah?
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"Moderates"? Like G. H. W. Bush who surrendered to the Ds on tax increases and as a consequence was a one-term President?
"Moderates"? Like G. W. Bush who "took the high road" against Dem and MSM revilings and did not fight for his judicial appointees?
"Moderates"? Like CA Governor Pete Wilson, whose enduring legacy is a divided and impotent California Republican Party?
"Moderates"? Like CA Governor Ahhhhhhnold, who asked how high on the way up when Dems commanded, "Jump!"?
The Gospel of Moderacy is a Gospel of Surrender.
The only competent one there is HW Bush. I'm thinking more like Hogan, Pataki, Weld types
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Are we talking about the 2016 election,or the 2020 election? Make up your mind.
It is also apparent to me,but I seriously doubt you would agree with my conclusions,being the "good party man" that you are.
If you suspect hillary got more votes because the ballot was rigged, than I am indeed talking about the evidence for it in 2016. Otherwise my conclusion is the party runs the wrong candidates to win.
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The only competent one there is HW Bush. I'm thinking more like Hogan, Pataki, Weld types
I'd be interested to hear what primary accomplishments you'd like to see from these competent candidates. What would a Weld administration look like?
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@Knox27
Just in case you are interested see the court filing by Sidney Powell in the state of Georgia (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18694655/pearson-v-kemp/) complete with all exhibits.
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@Knox27
No insult intended,but it is impossible to debate with someone as ignorant of intelligence,military,and foreign government actions as you are.
Who do you get your facts from,Oprah?
A variety of places. Including places you would scoff at because its not solely epoch times, gateway pundit, or frontpage magazine. Yes that means I'll read the WSJ, NYT, the atlantic, drudge, the AP, the economist, axios, the hill. I know... im a sheep for listening to the lamestream media.
Leftists will claim anything outside mother jones or vox are lies.
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No they didn't! Nowhere near 80 million legal citizens voted for that idiot and we are going to prove it in court!
(https://i.imgur.com/FuflwKT.jpg)
Just because a meme says it, does not make it so. Those numbers are not accurate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/)
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A variety of places. Including places you would scoff at because its not solely epoch times, gateway pundit, or frontpage magazine. Yes that means I'll read the WSJ, NYT, the atlantic, drudge, the AP, the economist, axios, the hill. I know... im a sheep for listening to the lamestream media.
Leftists will claim anything outside mother jones or vox are lies.
Well you can't blame us for being skeptical of most of those sources you listed as they spent most of the past four years feeding the public a constant stream of unsourced, unsubstantiated bullshit critical of the Trump administration. You know, Russia collusion, Ukrainian phone calls, pandemic incompetence, comments disparaging military vets, etc. etc.
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Just because a meme says it, does not make it so. Those numbers are not accurate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/)
Rule No. 5 of message boards..... You better have some data before throwing poo.
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Rule No. 5 of message boards..... You better have some data before throwing poo.
Good heavens, Snopes!
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Cool, now let's nominate someone that can win the popular vote instead of losing it a second time by a greater margin than the first time.
Id love to see someone like Larry hogan or one of the sununu brothers run in 2024.
Why do you consider winning the popular vote important?
It has NEVER been used to select a President.
NEVER.
Some like Bill Clinton became President two times without winning the popular vote.
Do you know basic civics?
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Why do you consider winning the popular vote important?
It has NEVER been used to select a President.
NEVER.
Some like Bill Clinton became President two times without winning the popular vote.
Do you know basic civics?
Kind of wierd having a Romney-ite crusing our board. I guess as long as he/she avoids trolling......
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Why do you consider winning the popular vote important?
It has NEVER been used to select a President.
NEVER.
Some like Bill Clinton became President two times without winning the popular vote.
Do you know basic civics?
I do, and I know why the founders instituted the electoral college. I also know its endangered. I know that losing the popular vote by increasing margins portends losing the electoral college. Id take a plurality like Clinton had, at the very least
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Kind of wierd having a Romney-ite crusing our board. I guess as long as he/she avoids trolling......
This isn't FR. It shouldn't be weird having moderate Republicans on a republican message board.
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A variety of places. Including places you would scoff at because its not solely epoch times, gateway pundit, or frontpage magazine. Yes that means I'll read the WSJ, NYT, the atlantic, drudge, the AP, the economist, axios, the hill. I know... im a sheep for listening to the lamestream media.
@Knox27
You listen to them because they tell you what you want to hear.
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This isn't FR. It shouldn't be weird having moderate Republicans on a republican message board.
No it's pretty wierd. 95%+ of us here are strongly conservative.
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@Knox27
You listen to them because they tell you what you want to hear.
I disagree, hermano
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No it's pretty wierd. 95%+ of us here are strongly conservative.
Putting aside the issues I have with what does or does not constitute a "strong conservative" this is, ostensibly, a republican message board, not a conservative one.
In either case, being among the 5 percent is fine by me.
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Putting aside the issues I have with what does or does not constitute a "strong conservative" this is, ostensibly, a republican message board, not a conservative one.
In either case, being among the 5 percent is fine by me.
Are you a former Catholic Priest by any chance?
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Are you a former Catholic Priest by any chance?
Lol a non believing jew. As far from a catholic priest as possible
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Not everyone to the left of you is a leftist. Classic republican ideals, loathsome to you, are a major part of the future of any republican party that wants to compete nationally.
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Before you begin ranting, suggest you familiarize yourself w/a dose of history.
Firstly I'm not a leftist nor have I ever been one, NOT FOR A DAY!!!
FYI, for several years, I personally knew Wm. Buckley, James Burnham and Russell Kirk;
in case you've heard of any of them!!!
As for "classic republican ideals" the Party never had any ideals, merely platforms & promises.
Our core Principled Conservative Party was the Agrarian & Rural Democrats of the Old South, represented by Founders Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Rutledge, Lee; among dozens.
Sadly they were tarred by slavery, then controlled by the Plantation Class, and as a result destroyed by Civil War War.
The Republican Party was a New England Anti-Slavery Party that emerged in 1856 w/Fremont of California as their candidate.
The R's represented Northern Mercantile interests, having nothing to do w/Principled Conservatism.
W/Lincoln's election they remained politically ascendant for some 70 years controlling the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches until Hoover in 1932; as the Party thrived while we industrialized
post-Civil War.
During their ascendancy, they championed strong centralized government opposing States Rights, trade protectionism applying aggressive excises and tariffs as well as judicial activism.
That remains their legacy/heritage to the present moment; despite all the political blather.
As Adam Smith intuitively grasped, when wealth is the objective, self-interest becomes prominent
as greed emerges powerfully.
At their core the Republican Party represent the Fat Wallet Club and has since day one!!!
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The internationalist, collectivist ideology of the left is the sole motive force in American politics because the republican party offers nothing to oppose it.
America First is the only concept that can effectively compete. Unfortunately the idea doesn't offer enough opportunities to the elite to make money.
That of course is a falsity. 'America First' is an opportunist hyphenation of Conservatism, just like all the rest, born in populism, and without either foundation or mortar. It is a collection of catch phrases, not a philosophy.
How dreadful to know that the right has succumbed to such twitterpated noise.
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Are you a former Catholic Priest by any chance?
I sold dope disguised as a nun. Does that count?
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Good heavens, Snopes!
888high58888
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I sold dope disguised as a nun. Does that count?
Only around Halloween time.
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No. My issue is that we need moderate competent candidates that can win elections. [...] How can it not be obvious the republican party needs to get back to the platforms that convinced people to vote for it overwhelmingly
Both winning and what you win is important.
That has never been in the hands of the Moderates. What wins every time is Conservatism - Too bad they don't govern likewise, according to their promises.
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The Gospel of Moderacy is a Gospel of Surrender.
AMEN! Preach that all day long!
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@Knox27 I think you'd be surprised at the number of Members here that didn't vote for McCain, Romney or Trump. Don't let the 'gop' in the address fool you.
It is a Conservative Board and not to be confused with a Republican echo chamber /JS
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@Knox27 I think you'd be surprised at the number of Members here that didn't vote for McCain, Romney or Trump. Don't let the 'gop' in the address fool you.
It is a Conservative Board and not to be confused with a Republican echo chamber /JS
BUMP that... From one who did not vote for any of the above. :beer:
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Putting aside the issues I have with what does or does not constitute a "strong conservative" this is, ostensibly, a republican message board, not a conservative one.
In either case, being among
5 percent is fine by me.
@Knox27
Which establishes as FACT that your mindset is that Republicans are not conservatives.
It is because of people like you that Bubba Bill,Boy Jorge,Bathhouse Barry,and now,Slow Joe Biden became our presidents,as we slid further into the abyss.
Do you deny this?
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@Knox27
Which establishes as FACT that your mindset is that Republicans are not conservatives.
It is because of people like you that Bubba Bill,Boy Jorge,Bathhouse Barry,and now,Slow Joe Biden became our presidents,as we slid further into the abyss.
Do you deny this?
I most certainly do.
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Before you begin ranting, suggest you familiarize yourself w/a dose of history.
Firstly I'm not a leftist nor have I ever been one, NOT FOR A DAY!!!
FYI, for several years, I personally knew Wm. Buckley, James Burnham and Russell Kirk;
in case you've heard of any of them!!!
As for "classic republican ideals" the Party never had any ideals, merely platforms & promises.
Our core Principled Conservative Party was the Agrarian & Rural Democrats of the Old South, represented by Founders Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Rutledge, Lee; among dozens.
Sadly they were tarred by slavery, then controlled by the Plantation Class, and as a result destroyed by Civil War War.
The Republican Party was a New England Anti-Slavery Party that emerged in 1856 w/Fremont of California as their candidate.
The R's represented Northern Mercantile interests, having nothing to do w/Principled Conservatism.
W/Lincoln's election they remained politically ascendant for some 70 years controlling the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches until Hoover in 1932; as the Party thrived while we industrialized
post-Civil War.
During their ascendancy, they championed strong centralized government opposing States Rights, trade protectionism applying aggressive excises and tariffs as well as judicial activism.
That remains their legacy/heritage to the present moment; despite all the political blather.
As Adam Smith intuitively grasped, when wealth is the objective, self-interest becomes prominent
as greed emerges powerfully.
At their core the Republican Party represent the Fat Wallet Club and has since day one!!!
@Absalom .
I hope you are sitting down when you read this because I don't want you hurting yourself,but times change and both people,and political parties evolve. Conservatives migrated to the Republican Party after the War of Northern Aggression because there was no place in the Globalist (Dim) Party for them,and it made more sense to join and change an existing weak party than it did to start a new one.
Granted,what is "conservative","moderate","liberal" or any mixture of the three is entirely dependent on the viewers POV,but in GENERAL terms the Republicans were more conservative in every sense of the word than the Dims.
This really wasn't that big a deal at the time because there was no income tax and truthfully,not much to spend an income tax on if there had been one. Steam-powered locomotives and ships were high-tech back then,and there really wasn't a lot for the typical voter to spend their money on.
Then came WW-1 and the idea of an income tax to pay the debts ran up by our involvement in the war. After all,an America in debt was a dangerous situation,and what harm could come from a temporary income tax to pay our nations debts off and make us strong and independent again? After all,it's not like it would be a permanent tax,right? <S/>
Then,suddenly,it was decided by the government,who was the sole beneficiary of all that "free money" that they could use it to buy votes with by spending it on on modern conveniences like paved roads,running water,electricity to every farm,etc,etc,etc. There was no real need to stop this personal tax on the income and assets of Americans,so why not use all that "free money" to buy votes?
Now,there is room for reasonable people on both sides of this issue to stake out their claims as being just,and the claims of those who disagree with them to be unjust,if not downright selfish.
And,once again,the taxes weren't really high enough to cause most people to panic. After all,they didn't have much to spend their money on,and they could clearly see the benefits of running water for drinking,cooking,and flushing toilets,and they could also see the advantages of electricity and paved roads.
Any welfare programs for the truly needy were ran back then by organized religions or public-service organizations,which is the way they were supposed to be,so paying taxes to support people who couldn't or wouldn't work wasn't a concern.
Howsumever,"NOW" ain't THEN,and the working class people on or near the bottom of the economic ladder are getting awful damn tired of having to pay taxes to support people who won't work to support themselves and their families now that "welfare/aid to the needy" has evolved from a public service effort to reduce suffering for those who can't provide for themselves into a retirement system with free food,housing,utilities,medical care,and even a paycheck each month for people who want to take advantage of the situation. We now have multi-generations of families who have never provided for themselves. The Dims stay in office by buying their votes with taxpayer money.
This situation is now more insufferable to the lower-economic people of today who pay taxes because they can now see us importing foreigners who are sworn as our enemies into our country and setting THEM up in public housing and early retirement,and the government forcing the working poor to pay all the taxes to support them.
This situation can not stand. Sooner or later it is going to collapse,and it's not going to be pretty when it does.
Frankly,I am surprised Civil War,Part 2 hasn't already started.
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100% of the Politicians that I can tolerate make up 5% of the Party of these idiots.
It's just a vehicle, albeit a broken down vehicle.
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=SMm1s45FGRcCgQ)
And Conservatives are getting tired of pushing your crap across the finish line.
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100% of the Politicians that I can tolerate make up 5% of the Party of these idiots.
It's just a vehicle, albeit a broken down vehicle.
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=SMm1s45FGRcCgQ)
And Conservatives are getting tired of pushing your crap across the finish line.
Look, youre not the only one that thinks if it as a party of idiots. I think we just differ on who the idiots are in the party. I think its the evangelicals and the Trumpers....so that leaves 5 percent for me also
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Look, youre not the only one that thinks if it as a party of idiots. I think we just differ on who the idiots are in the party. I think its the evangelicals and the Trumpers....so that leaves 5 percent for me also
I don't disagree with your statement, either @Knox27
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@Absalom .
I hope you are sitting down when you read this because I don't want you hurting yourself, but times change and both people, and political parties evolve. Conservatives migrated to the Republican Party after the War of Northern Aggression because there was no place in the Globalist (Dim) Party for them, and it made more sense to join and change an existing weak party than it did to start anew.
Granted, what is "conservative","moderate","liberal" or any mixture of the three is entirely dependent on the viewers POV, but in GENERAL terms the Republicans were more conservative in every sense of the word than the Dims.
This really wasn't that big a deal at the time because there was no income tax and truthfully, not much to spend an income tax on if there had been one. Steam-powered locomotives and ships were high-tech back then, and there really wasn't a lot for the typical voter to spend their money on.
Then came WW-1 and the idea of an income tax to pay the debts ran up by our involvement in the war. After all, an America in debt was a dangerous situation, and what harm could come from a temporary income tax to pay our nations debts off and make us strong and independent again?
After all, it's not like it would be a permanent tax, right?
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A brief rejoinder:
* Principled Conservatism and party politics have nothing to do w/each other and/or in common,
be it the USA, the British Empire or the Athenian Assembly in Greece; the reason Plato
was never a member of the latter.
* Your "Globalist Dim Party" didn't exist for the 70 years following Lincoln and the R political
ascendancy.
* We were an isolationist nation from Founding till 1920; some 125 years.
* The 16th Amendment which levied taxes on incomes was ratified in 1913, while we
entered WW1 late in 1917. The former had nothing to do w/paying war debts.
The rest of your narrative is a rehash of one of Limbaugh's daily run on sentences.
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That of course is a falsity. 'America First' is an opportunist hyphenation of Conservatism, just like all the rest, born in populism, and without either foundation or mortar. It is a collection of catch phrases, not a philosophy.
How dreadful to know that the right has succumbed to such twitter pated noise.
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Roamer, insightful and on the mark per usual.
Current R politicos are the same as those of the past; the only
difference being that the newbies have updated the clichés!!!
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Roamer, insightful and on the mark per usual.
Current R politicos are the same as those of the past; the only
difference being that the newbies have updated the clichés!!!
:beer: :seeya:
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I do, and I know why the founders instituted the electoral college. I also know its endangered. I know that losing the popular vote by increasing margins portends losing the electoral college. Id take a plurality like Clinton had, at the very least
Then you failed civics class.
The Constitution is crystal clear that the states, and only the states, decide the selection of a President using the electoral college.
There is not even a mandate to have a vote for President, so it makes zero difference on whether a popular vote or any vote for that matter is done.
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Then you failed civics class.
The Constitution is crystal clear that the states, and only the states, decide the selection of a President using the electoral college.
There is not even a mandate to have a vote for President, so it makes zero difference on whether a popular vote or any vote for that matter is done.
Please read what I wrote. I know how the electoral college works. My two very obvious points were the 1. The electoral college may not exist much longer and 2. The inevitability that greater margins of losing the popular vote will lead to consistently losing the electoral college.
Republicans have an advantage in both the EC and thanks to gerrymandering, representation in the house. Both will not hold up much longer.
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Please read what I wrote. I know how the electoral college works. My two very obvious points were the 1. The electoral college may not exist much longer and 2. The inevitability that greater margins of losing the popular vote will lead to consistently losing the electoral college.
Republicans have an advantage in both the EC and thanks to gerrymandering, representation in the house. Both will not hold up much longer.
Why would they not hold out? Are you suggesting the Constitution will no longer be valid or be changed somehow?
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Why would they not hold out? Are you suggesting the Constitution will no longer be valid or be changed somehow?
Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the contitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.
But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead. Texas is not a 15 point win. I believe trumpism will lead to big losses. Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.
When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that.
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Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the constitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.
But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead. Texas is not a 15 point win. I believe trumpism will lead to big losses. Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.
When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that.
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While your speculation about our voting mechanisms may/may not materialize,
your assertion about Trump is on the mark, as his attitudes, behaviors, impulses
and sentiments are emphatically hardly the norm for any leader of achievement,
which his wise Scots-Gael mother grasped very early in his life.
Yet his followers refuse to accept this, insisting he is the victim of the forces of evil.
The results of this election were enlightening, as the Republicans are within reach
of holding the Senate w/a +4 advantage, gaining very substantially in the House
while Trump was decisively defeated, notwithstanding his assertions.
Repeating an analogy, ours was a "Parliamentary Election" where the leader was
removed thru a vote of No Confidence, while his party was returned to office.
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Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the contitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.
But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead. Texas is not a 15 point win. I believe trumpism will lead to big losses. Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.
When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that.
You appear all over the place.
First you claim that winning a popular vote is important to the selection of a President.
Then when I refute that claim, you jump around and say you know what the electoral college is. Since it has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is obvious you are oblivious to what it does.
Now you are saying the electoral college is ending.
And your final thrust exposes you as simply a Trump hater.
I need to discuss with someone else that makes sense rather than someone who jumps around.
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You appear all over the place.
First you claim that winning a popular vote is important to the selection of a President.
Then when I refute that claim, you jump around and say you know what the electoral college is. Since it has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is obvious you are oblivious to what it does.
Now you are saying the electoral college is ending.
And your final thrust exposes you as simply a Trump hater.
I need to discuss with someone else that makes sense rather than someone who jumps around.
Lol.
Ill make sure my future responses to you require no parsing
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Exactly right although I don't blame Trump for it, it was that SOB Paul Ryan.
tip of the Iceberg Milady. Collins, Murkowski, Romney, and McLame. All a hand in driving the Never Trumpers. there is more than enough blame to go around.
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tip of the Iceberg Milady. Collins, Murkowski, Romney, and McLame. All a hand in driving the Never Trumpers. there is more than enough blame to go around.
@verga
ALL of whom refused to vote for or support Trump because of their "High Principles".
Makes me wonder what color the sky is on their home planets.