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First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swearing-in
By Aris Folley - 01/15/19 06:35 PM EST
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Washington State Rep. Debra Lekanoff (D), who is the first Native American woman to ever be elected to the state’s House of Representatives, was sworn into office wearing traditional regalia this week.
Lekanoff, who was elected to represent the state’s 40th House district back in November, could be seen in photos from the ceremony on Monday wearing traditional Native American regalia, moccasins, beaded earrings and braids, while standing alongside members of local tribes who played the drums and sang in the Coast Salish language.
According to Lekanoff’s office, the regalia worn by the newly sworn-in state representative during the ceremony belonged to her grandmother and was “passed down generations.â€
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That she actually bought at a gift shop at an amusement park
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Liz Warren approves.
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Liz Warren approves.
What's her Indian name?
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What's her Indian name?
Nacho Indian.
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I don't see a problem with this.
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First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swearing-in
By Aris Folley - 01/15/19 06:35 PM EST
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Washington State Rep. Debra Lekanoff (D), who is the first Native American woman to ever be elected to the state’s House of Representatives, was sworn into office wearing traditional regalia this week.
Lekanoff, who was elected to represent the state’s 40th House district back in November, could be seen in photos from the ceremony on Monday wearing traditional Native American regalia, moccasins, beaded earrings and braids, while standing alongside members of local tribes who played the drums and sang in the Coast Salish language.
According to Lekanoff’s office, the regalia worn by the newly sworn-in state representative during the ceremony belonged to her grandmother and was “passed down generations.â€
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/425526-first-native-american-woman-elected-to-washington-legislature-wears
This is totally asinine. Either you ARE an American or you're not. I'm sick of the hyphenated American syndrome. IF one cannot FULLY assimilate to our culture they have absolutely no business running for office in America. I wonder which laws she will abide by? U.S. law or Native American law? Gee, I wonder if 'her' culture will have any bearing on how she votes? 9999hair out0000
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Nacho Indian.
I like "Class Action Sioux".
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This is totally asinine. Either you ARE an American or you're not. I'm sick of the hyphenated American syndrome. IF one cannot FULLY assimilate to our culture they have absolutely no business running for office in America. I wonder which laws she will abide by? U.S. law or Native American law? Gee, I wonder if 'her' culture will have any bearing on how she votes? 9999hair out0000
Aren't Salish part of her constituency? That is partly who she is representing. If Greg Abbott shows up for his swearing in wearing a cowboy hat is that a bad thing?
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That she actually bought at a gift shop at an amusement park
No doubt it was made in China.
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I don't see a problem with this.
Me, neither. It's a nice outfit, as traditional dress goes. No longer limited to mere tanned hide and furs, many powwow outfits and dance costumes are quite colorful. At least she is really native, and comparing her to Warren does her a disservice.
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This is totally asinine. Either you ARE an American or you're not. I'm sick of the hyphenated American syndrome. IF one cannot FULLY assimilate to our culture they have absolutely no business running for office in America. I wonder which laws she will abide by? U.S. law or Native American law? Gee, I wonder if 'her' culture will have any bearing on how she votes? 9999hair out0000
No hyphens in Native American (go ahead, check, don't take my word for it).
Do you celebrate on St Patrick's day? Easter? Passover? Hannukah? Christmas? NONE of those are native celebrations to this land. If you eat that special dish on holidays, the one grandma made in the old country, or dress in lederhosen and celebrate Oktoberfest, or even eat lutefisk (no, thanks!) at the Norsk Hostfest, then are you undercutting American culture? My Brother in law wore a Kilt to marry my sister--as did all those of Scots ancestry at the wedding--and a few who weren't. Does that make them subversive?
Nope, just Americans. While most of us hail form the far corners of the globe, there were folks here when the place was 'discovered' by Europeans.
The lady is dressed in traditional ceremonial garb for her heritage. That doesn't make her any less American.
@roamer_1 You know the Salish better than I do. What do you think?
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No doubt it was made in China.
According to Lekanoff’s office, the regalia worn by the newly sworn-in state representative during the ceremony belonged to her grandmother and was “passed down generations.â€
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I don't see a problem with this.
I don’t either. I think it’s kind of neat, actually
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Nope, just Americans. While most of us hail form the far corners of the globe, there were folks here when the place was 'discovered' by Europeans.
The lady is dressed in traditional ceremonial garb for her heritage. That doesn't make her any less American.
@roamer_1 You know the Salish better than I do. What do you think?
@Smokin Joe
Well Joe, them ain't proper Salish like what I know... Coastal Salish is a whole passel of tribes over in the Vancouver Island area... Lots and lots of tribes in that, and likely different than here... Ours here are mainly Kootenai and Flathead and some Pend d' Oreille ... Can't speak for other than my own...
But as usual, you and me are gonna agree, hands down. Sorta like a cross between your best duds and going all out for a tux... except with a whole heck of a lot of tribal and family honor rolled up in it... And it ain't even a bit uncommon that such a thing would be handed down for generations.
IOW, it is honorable and means a whole lot.
But I can see where folks that don't live around Native Americans might be jarred by the appearance of ceremonial dress. It ain't something what they'd be used to, and wouldn't understand the importance and tradition of it all.
EDIT: And btw, I mean you are right about the non-hyphenation. Those I know are proud Americans. Ain;t no different them being Salish than me being Dutch and observing my traditions... Though I will admit to being more in their traditions than my own anymore. :)
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Me, neither. It's a nice outfit, as traditional dress goes. No longer limited to mere tanned hide and furs, many powwow outfits and dance costumes are quite colorful. At least she is really native, and comparing her to Warren does her a disservice.
That's dang well right... Other than the Democrat part.
Funny that, as most of em I know are pretty conservative...
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I don't see a problem with this.
Same
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That's dang well right... Other than the Democrat part.
Funny that, as most of em I know are pretty conservative...
It's still, in many tribes, a warrior culture. A lot of youngsters join up and serve in the armed forces, and are honored for having done so. Once folks get off the Res, they do really well if they have a notion to. Family is all important, and once you are accepted, you are family.Elders and ancestors have special weight in the telling of things, and the elders are respected by the young. There are many aspects in keeping with some of the best aspects of European cultures--aspects which seem to be fading away in much of America.
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I don't see a problem with this.
@Sanguine
Me,either. Some people here seem to be wound too tightly. This woman IS an actual American Indian,so what's the problem?
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No doubt it was made in China.
@dfwgator
I am fairly certain that is the origin of their traditional straw hats,and strongly suspect the tribe originally came here from China.
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Looks like they were filming a Mazola ad.....
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HuttJkBZxo#)
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@Smokin Joe
@roamer_1
IOW, it is honorable and means a whole lot.
Yup,and many people,especially female people,really like to dress up for important formal events.
But I can see where folks that don't live around Native Americans might be jarred by the appearance of ceremonial dress.
I can't. It is the equivalent of a formal evening dress for her. Even implying she shouldn't wear it,never mind complaining about her actually wearing it is positively anti-American. Her people were here long,LONG before Lizzy Warren's ancestors showed up.
In the spirit of full disclosure,I am myself 1/4 Tuscorara. I do not and have never considered myself to be an American Indian,and other than my black eyes do not look like an Indian,so it would be like wearing a costume if someone like me showed up dressed in "formal Injun wear" at a formal event to be sworn into public office. At a Halloween Party,yes,but not to be sworn in as an elected official.
I dare anyone to take a look at her and try to claim she is a poser,or that she is not connected in any way to her ancestors history. This ain't some gomer "playing cowboys and Indians".
Some people here seem to be wound to tightly,and need to back away from their keyboards for a few days,and maybe take a vacation somewhere nice and warm to lay in the sun and relax some.
P.S. Ok,ok,I told a little lie. I DO sometimes claim to be an American Indian,but mostly only when I want to piss someone off. I gotta be me. Other than that I just mention it when anyone asks about my ancestry. It's nothing to be either proud of or ashamed about.
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This is totally asinine. Either you ARE an American or you're not. I'm sick of the hyphenated American syndrome. IF one cannot FULLY assimilate to our culture they have absolutely no business running for office in America. I wonder which laws she will abide by? U.S. law or Native American law? Gee, I wonder if 'her' culture will have any bearing on how she votes? 9999hair out0000
Wow. Just wow. I'm surprised you didn't tell her to go back to her own country.
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Looks like they were filming a Mazola ad.....
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HuttJkBZxo#)
@Amb. Frank Cannon
LOL! It does seem that way,doesn't it?
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I don't see a problem with this.
There's a reason legislatures have historically banned all native costumes. I believe it has something to do with a melting pot....from many, one. @Sanguine
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There's a reason legislatures have historically banned all native costumes. I believe it has something to do with a melting pot....from many, one. @Sanguine
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@Right_in_Virginia
You are right,but showing up in ceremonial dress for an official ceremony is different than showing up wearing a costume every day. She needs to be put in her place if she shows up for elected office dressed as an American Indian every day because that would be the same thing as stating she is not an American and is working against America.
Where you come from,your roots,can be an entirely different matter when it comes to where you "are" today. Recognize your origins while working to secure the present for all the people you represent.
BTW,posting a photo of Bubbette's miini-me sitting beside an enemy of America in uniform is NOT the same thing as showing a photo of an ORIGINAL AMERICAN posing and showing up at a formal government event wearing the attire of her ancestors who also happened to be American's BEFORE there was an America.
Islam and it's bird-brained slavish followers are ENEMIES of America. American Indians are not.
For example,imagine someone of German descent show up to be sworn in office wearing a Swastika and a Nazi uniform during WW-2. THAT is the equivalent of what that raghead in the photo you posted is doing.
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There's a reason legislatures have historically banned all native costumes. I believe it has something to do with a melting pot....from many, one. @Sanguine
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Really? You think this one is exemplifying America?
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Which one is Big Chief Tablet?
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Aren't Salish part of her constituency? That is partly who she is representing. If Greg Abbott shows up for his swearing in wearing a cowboy hat is that a bad thing?
In a way I agree with you. It is however if they have an agenda because of it. Like the Palestinian woman who wore her traditional garb. She did it to make a point that she was Palestinian. People either serve according to the Constitution or they are activists in office. I think the Muslim will for sure be an activist for Palestinians in office.
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We don't have a government, we have the Village People.
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In a way I agree with you. It is however if they have an agenda because of it. Like the Palestinian woman who wore her traditional garb. She did it to make a point that she was Palestinian. People either serve according to the Constitution or they are activists in office. I think the Muslim will for sure be an activist for Palestinians in office.
It's a false equivalency. "Palestinian" is antithetical to American ideals. Salish is part of our ongoing history.
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This is the State of Washington not Washington D.C. The state can decide how its elected officials dress.
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It's a false equivalency. "Palestinian" is antithetical to American ideals. Salish is part of our ongoing history.
Salish culture is American culture. This would be no different than if an Amish person wore their traditional outfit or if a representative from Hawaii wore a Lei.
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Really? You think this one is exemplifying America?
@Sanguine
Either one would be horrified to hear you even suggest such a thing.
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It's a false equivalency. "Palestinian" is antithetical to American ideals. Salish is part of our ongoing history.
@Sanguine
Lookit at you,using all those big words,and stuff! I don't know nothing about your Aunt Ethel,but agree with the rest of it 100 percent!
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Salish culture is American culture. This would be no different than if an Amish person wore their traditional outfit or if a representative from Hawaii wore a Lei.
@ABX
Not only true,but better examples than the ones I posted.
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@Sanguine
Lookit at you,using all those big words,and stuff! I don't know nothing about your Aunt Ethel,but agree with the rest of it 100 percent!
Don't act like a rube; it's not believable. wink777
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There's a reason legislatures have historically banned all native costumes. I believe it has something to do with a melting pot....from many, one. @Sanguine
(https://images.axios.com/NbqFHJBxmdp2TIGR1V4NGQwFXcQ=/2019/01/03/1546540654812.jpg)
You didn't get the memo, the term "Melting Pot" is now considered racist. It's a "tossed salad", now.
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We don't have a government, we have the Village People.
There certainly are no "Macho Men" in DC these days.
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In a way I agree with you. It is however if they have an agenda because of it. Like the Palestinian woman who wore her traditional garb. She did it to make a point that she was Palestinian. People either serve according to the Constitution or they are activists in office. I think the Muslim will for sure be an activist for Palestinians in office.
Yet we permit priests and pastors to wear the traditional garb of those who serve a different kingdom. :pondering:
She's wearing American garb. It is the rest of the people there who are wearing some knockoff of European clothing.
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When I saw her picture I thought of F-Troop and the Indian tribe (We're the) "Hekawi". Was she working with O'Rourke Enterprises to sell her "authentic" souvenirs to tourists.
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http://southpark.cc.com/clips/154059/johnny-many-moons (http://southpark.cc.com/clips/154059/johnny-many-moons)
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Truthfully...when I first saw the pic...my first reaction was it's divisive.
But after reading this thread...it may not be bad. It does have to do with American culture.
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We don't have a government, we have the Village People.
.............Sadly...yes. It will ultimately harm us. :thumbsup:
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We don't have a government, we have the Village People.
While the Village People have something in common with much of Washington D.C. :whistle:, I don't think a Salish Lady in ceremonial dress is significantly different from someone of European Descent wearing a (European Style) suit or Dress, with the exception, that her 'good clothes' are actually American in design.
That other stuff is just worked over eurotrash.
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That she actually bought at a gift shop at an amusement park
Remember those Cherokee Trading Post truck stops?
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Really? You think this one is exemplifying America?
This is not the point @Sanguine ... Once one cultural/ethnic costume is permitted in American legislatures ... all must be. You don't get the luxury of picking and choosing. This is one instance where it's none or all. We've lived with none for 240 years, let's not bleep with it now....even if you happen to find it benign.
If you don't want Muslim garb .... then you can't accept Indian dress.
It's ....oh, what's that word .... ah yes, the *principle* needs to be upheld.
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We are so screwed. This is what diversity brings. AFRICANS? BONE IN NOSE? Grass skirts. Scottish skirts? Can the men wear Leder Hosen? I saw a DRUM. DRUMMING. Are you guys kidding me? Burka's. Greek dress, with the pom poms and white hose.
More than ridiculous.
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Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKnw-ctUxRk#)
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Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyd1-DeVkw#)
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I can't. It is the equivalent of a formal evening dress for her. Even implying she shouldn't wear it,never mind complaining about her actually wearing it is positively anti-American. Her people were here long,LONG before Lizzy Warren's ancestors showed up.
@sneakypete
Yeah, I get all that... I was saying that the bright colors, totems, and jangly bits of typical native ceremonial wear might look like it came from a tourist trap (as some have actually said, right here on this thread)... Because tourist trap Indian shows and Hollywood make-believe is what they know - NOT that they are right in that assumption. To back east city folks it looks tacky, and they don't know that mamma's stylin. I was more allowing for their ignorance than anything.
Maybe it's a Rockies/Northern Plains thing. Here, cowboys and indians often see eye to eye... Rodeos have indian games built right into them. you will have to go far to find a (dress) cowboy hat without feathers, turquoise, or silver on em and native looking hat bands are common. Heck, many buckles and bolos are native themed.
Hillbillies even more so. A lot of my leathers have had bead and quill-work... I have a quill throat guard... My mocs have often had beadwork, as have knife sheaths and possibles bags. My 30.30 was decorated by a Salish gal. It's what they do.
Go to a powwow or a rondy here and either one will be about half native and half hillbilly, everybody dressed in leathers, and many of the natives, especially the gals, wearing bright, full on native dresses similar to their ceremonial stuff, or at least some of it.
So me and you, and Joe too, are probably more accustomed to Native ways. It is natural to me, at least... I will stand to correct the ignorance about it, but I get where that ignorance comes from.
I dare anyone to take a look at her and try to claim she is a poser,or that she is not connected in any way to her ancestors history. This ain't some gomer "playing cowboys and Indians".
That's right... Far be it from me to defend what is probably a liberal Democrat, and I hate to be put in that position... But her heritage is not part of that.
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From around the world. Part one.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjbygXKC_L0#)
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In a way I agree with you. It is however if they have an agenda because of it. Like the Palestinian woman who wore her traditional garb. She did it to make a point that she was Palestinian. People either serve according to the Constitution or they are activists in office. I think the Muslim will for sure be an activist for Palestinians in office.
Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.
That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.
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Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.
That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.
Interestingly, up until recently, Natives leaned Republican and in places like Oklahoma, overwhelmingly, their representatives to the state legislature are Republicans. Even in Congress it was split evenly up until r cently with both Tom Cole and Markwayne Mullin being Congressman on Native rolls.
Generally Natives are very pragmatic and distrusting of big government (understandingly so) so they would be a prime audience for traditional Conservatives. However, the move towards populism on the right side changing that.
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[vine][/vine]
Interestingly, up until recently, Natives leaned Republican and in places like Oklahoma, overwhelmingly, their representatives to the state legislature are Republicans. Even in Congress it was split evenly up until r cently with both Tom Cole and Markwayne Mullin being Congressman on Native rolls.
Generally Natives are very pragmatic and distrusting of big government (understandingly so) so they would be a prime audience for traditional Conservatives. However, the move towards populism on the right side changing that.
That's right. This will probably get me in trouble, but it's the rez. Reservations tend to be on the teat, and whining for more... so their governance is largely in the Democrat bailiwick. But many of the Natives living on the rez, and most of those off the rez tend to live their lives as conservatives, and tend toward civil libertarianism just as you describe.
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I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCog3odKtns#)
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I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCog3odKtns#)
According to Ancestry.com that could be a problem for me..I am from almost everywhere..lol
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I don't see a problem with this.
I agree, and very much appreciate the defense of Native people on this thread.
(Even though I'm an Eastern - sort of - city girl. happy77)
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I don't see a problem with this.
As a resident of WA use to seeing our NW Indians in their traditional regalia at occasional events, I don't find this unusual or out of place. However, our idiot governor standing in the back wearing a robe, now that is downright hilarious.
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That's right. This will probably get me in trouble, but it's the rez. Reservations tend to be on the teat, and whining for more... so their governance is largely in the Democrat bailiwick. But many of the Natives living on the rez, and most of those off the rez tend to live their lives as conservatives, and tend toward civil libertarianism just as you describe.
It is going g to change with younger generations. Their grandparents remember why you shouldn't trust a big, powerful government. The younger generations, besides typical political targeting, don't have that difference to look to. They see two major parties both representing big government, but one is offering them stuff (and they don't understand the trap) and the other, as seen even on this thread, is condescending to them and their culture.
If any political group needs to step up and could meet their traditional values and attitudes, it should be the Libertarian. But unfortunately the party is too dysfunctional.
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This is not the point @Sanguine ... Once one cultural/ethnic costume is permitted in American legislatures ... all must be. You don't get the luxury of picking and choosing. This is one instance where it's none or all. We've lived with none for 240 years, let's not bleep with it now....even if you happen to find it benign.
If you don't want Muslim garb .... then you can't accept Indian dress.
It's ....oh, what's that word .... ah yes, the *principle* needs to be upheld.
Again, that's a false equivalency. Native American culture is not equal to islam.
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We are so screwed. This is what diversity brings. AFRICANS? BONE IN NOSE? Grass skirts. Scottish skirts? Can the men wear Leder Hosen? I saw a DRUM. DRUMMING. Are you guys kidding me? Burka's. Greek dress, with the pom poms and white hose.
More than ridiculous.
As is Brooks Brothers, Saks, and the host of European remakes that you consider 'normal' American clothing. All that 'style' is imported. Hers, at least, is American.
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Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.
That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.
I can tell you what the agenda is going to be. I live here. We have several Native American celebrations, events.........etc. I love the Native Americans in our area but be assured the agenda is environmental.
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I can tell you what the agenda is going to be. I live here. We have several Native American celebrations, events.........etc. I love the Native Americans in our area but be assured the agenda is environmental.
Yeah, probably. But not in a good way.
There are Natives here that do likewise. Right now they are trying to claim original water rights to every drip of water in the state, and the feds are backing the play.
Believe me, I know.
That don't make em all that way. It ain't because they're native - It's because they're Democrats.
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Wow. Where did states’ rights go with conservatives?
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Wow. Where did states’ rights go with conservatives?
Populists took over. They like big, central federal government.
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Yeah, probably. But not in a good way.
There are Natives here that do likewise. Right now they are trying to claim original water rights to every drip of water in the state, and the feds are backing the play.
Believe me, I know.
That don't make em all that way. It ain't because they're native - It's because they're Democrats.
@NavyCanDo spotted it. Its Jay Inslee in the back wearing his Native blanket. Believe me Its an environmental agenda. They are trying to force an environmental tax on us. Oh, BTW I guess he is going to run for president.
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Populists took over. They like big, central federal government.
Might one say, a yuge federal government?
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We are so screwed. This is what diversity brings. AFRICANS? BONE IN NOSE? Grass skirts. Scottish skirts? Can the men wear Leder Hosen? I saw a DRUM. DRUMMING. Are you guys kidding me? Burka's. Greek dress, with the pom poms and white hose.
More than ridiculous.
Yeah, no. They’re kilts, not skirts. They’re also $&*@#%& hot. @RoosGirl can I get a ruling on this asshat’s logic?
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My exhibit A: Hotter than anything @LegalAmerican has had, based on previous post.
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Its drumming now. Can't wait for government displays of Ashoura
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Oh, BTW I guess he is going to run for president.
Whee! *****rollingeyes*****
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I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.
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My exhibit A: Hotter than anything @LegalAmerican has had, based on previous post.
Completely acceptable in any sane person's book.
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Its drumming now. Can't wait for government displays of Ashoura
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What American Indian tribe practices that?
(NONE) Even the Sundance ceremony has been banned. Now, those who wish to prove their manhood go off and join the Marines....
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Whee! *****rollingeyes*****
The more the merrier! (Now we might get a head count of all the diversities they have on the left.)
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Again, that's a false equivalency. Native American culture is not equal to islam.
That is not a winning argument.
Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads. The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.
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That is not a winning argument.
Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads. The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.
Yeah. Looks like Jay Inslee has some of that Native American that Elizabeth has. Dress is fine, but I wonder what the rest of the people have to do with it? I kind of think its like photo op. A public display to say hey look at us!
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That is not a winning argument.
Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads. The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.
Islam is not merely a religion. It's much more than that, and it's antithetical to American and Western civilization ideology. It's also not American.
Catholics and Jews cover their heads in church/synagogue, as do some other Christian denominations. That's irrelevant here. I've seen Sikhs in three-piece suits with turbans and as far as I know, no one gives them a hard time about it.
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Yeah. Looks like Jay Inslee has some of that Native American that Elizabeth has. Dress is fine, but I wonder what the rest of the people have to do with it? I kind of think its like photo op. A public display to say hey look at us!
Well, yeah.....she just became elected to the Washington lege, and you bet she's going to invite family and friends and have photos taken. I would. :shrug:
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Well, yeah.....she just became elected to the Washington lege, and you bet she's going to invite family and friends and have photos taken. I would. :shrug:
You are right. I just don't like her and that is my problem. I am sure that she is a very nice woman but its about her politics. Its about Washington and the enviro Nazi's who will force environmental taxes on us even though we voted against them.
https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/ (https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/)
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You are right. I just don't like her and that is my problem. I am sure that she is a very nice woman but its about her politics. Its about Washington and the enviro Nazi's who will force environmental taxes on us even though we voted against them.
https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/ (https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/)
I'm with you there. But, I don't like WA state politics in general, so anyone who gets elected is probably at odds with my views.
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Again, that's a false equivalency. Native American culture is not equal to islam.
Again, you deliberately ignore the principle involved here. What you think is "American" is not the point. Let's not throw away 200 years of smart tradition because you like to argue @Sanguine
Sometimes "none" IS the right answer. This is one of those times.
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Again, you deliberately ignore the principle involved here. What you think is "American" is not the point. Let's not throw away 200 years of smart tradition because you like to argue @Sanguine
Sometimes "none" IS the right answer. This is one of those times.
Someday you'll say something meaningful.
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Plenty people, call Trump a Nazi if he wears his native Lederhosen.
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It's funny how people point out a host of garb from other countries and even berate this woman for not wearing the latest fashions derived from those fresh from Paris, France, and can ignore the fact that her traditional garb is the only actual American outfit in the room. Next thing, y'all will be telling her to go back if she doesn't like it here.
If you know enough about her politics to not like them, harp on that. Not the idea of wearing something as traditional for ceremonies among her people as a tuxedo or evening gown is for y'all. And please keep in mind that what she is wearing is traditional American, not some knock off from some other country or continent.
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I don't see a problem with this.
Really, there should not be a problem since this woman is actually Indian.
But, somehow, it just looks stupid.
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Really, there should not be a problem since this woman is actually Indian.
But, somehow, it just looks stupid.
No more than stiletto heels on the grass.--in fact, a lot less.
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Aren't Salish part of her constituency? That is partly who she is representing. If Greg Abbott shows up for his swearing in wearing a cowboy hat is that a bad thing?
Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, Rick Perry and a lot of Texas men wear boots frequently, but I don't think they would add spurs and a rope at a swearing in ceremony.
I think it's okay if that's what she wanted to do but she has to be prepared for a few guffaws from the crowd.
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Well, this was a kinda interesting thread. And most people resisted being sucked in by the would-be Comediennes.
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Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, Rick Perry and a lot of Texas men wear boots frequently, but I don't think they would add spurs and a rope at a swearing in ceremony.
I think it's okay if that's what she wanted to do but she has to be prepared for a few guffaws from the crowd.
You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.
Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.
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You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.
Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.
I've already defended the woman's right to wear the garb so I don't know what you want from me. I just pointed out that she had to be prepared for a little criticism.
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Hey if Julian Castro gets sworn in in a Sombrero and a Mariachi band in the background I guess the Injun can do it too without us Palefaces going on the warpath.
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Hey if Julian Castro gets sworn in in a Sombrero and a Mariachi band in the background I guess the Injun can do it too without us Palefaces going on the warpath.
That's more Roberto Beto Cortez Guadalajara Ay Caramba Tacos y Tamales Lucky Charms O'Rourke's style.
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According to Ancestry.com that could be a problem for me..I am from almost everywhere..lol
lol. Then you can wear something different...every day! A lot of choices. Layers?
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As is Brooks Brothers, Saks, and the host of European remakes that you consider 'normal' American clothing. All that 'style' is imported. Hers, at least, is American.
I am imported too. I have only one outfit, as I am pure European, as far as I know. Back then, people weren't even allowed to marry outside their village. Had more to do with property, than love. Just saying...a bit over the top wearing that Native costume in 2019. Wear it at home, celebrate it at home. BTW. I have great respect for Native Americans, as they are very spiritual and a talented group. Just over the top for me. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Plenty people, call Trump a Nazi if he wears his native Lederhosen.
Or Kilt. His mom was Scottish. 50/50. Typical mixed American.
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You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.
Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.
American Indian culture ... last time I checked this is AMERICA and she represents AMERICA. It's not American Italian, American German, American African, American Hispanic, just plain ole AMERICAN. Dressing up in garb to represent another culture, especially at a Congressional swearing in ceremony is just plain wrong and ridiculous. It has no place.
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..........Hawaiian Chippendale
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xr1Wd17w-g#)
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American Indian culture ... last time I checked this is AMERICA and she represents AMERICA. It's not American Italian, American German, American African, American Hispanic, just plain ole AMERICAN. Dressing up in garb to represent another culture, especially at a Congressional swearing in ceremony is just plain wrong and ridiculous. It has no place.
She represents her district in the WASHINGTON STATE LEGISLATURE.
Sheesh!
Her people were here before the Europeans invaded and brought their fashion sense, regularly updated from Europe. Now you're going to assert that she is unAmerican for wearing uniquely American clothing?
Why don't you fashion mavens go fawn over the FLOTUS' shoes?
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It's funny how people point out a host of garb from other countries and even berate this woman for not wearing the latest fashions derived from those fresh from Paris, France, and can ignore the fact that her traditional garb is the only actual American outfit in the room. Next thing, y'all will be telling her to go back if she doesn't like it here.
If you know enough about her politics to not like them, harp on that. Not the idea of wearing something as traditional for ceremonies among her people as a tuxedo or evening gown is for y'all. And please keep in mind that what she is wearing is traditional American, not some knock off from some other country or continent.
A lot of knee jerk stuff going on here, Joe. :shrug:
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Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, Rick Perry and a lot of Texas men wear boots frequently, but I don't think they would add spurs and a rope at a swearing in ceremony.
HUH?
I don't know about where you come from, but around these parts, it is awfully bad manners to wear spurs indoors... Doesn't happen. And what's a rope got to do with anything?
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Hard to believe this thread is still going.
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American Indian culture ... last time I checked this is AMERICA and she represents AMERICA. It's not American Italian, American German, American African, American Hispanic, just plain ole AMERICAN. Dressing up in garb to represent another culture, especially at a Congressional swearing in ceremony is just plain wrong and ridiculous. It has no place.
It isn't another culture. It is standard fare in the West.
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Hard to believe this thread is still going.
No one Yelled "Geronimo" yet.