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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Right_in_Virginia on August 16, 2017, 10:46:37 am
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Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
The Hill, Aug 15, 2017, Jacqueline Thomsen
Mitt Romney fired back at President Trump for saying “both sides” were responsible for violence at a white supremacist rally over the weekend, claiming that the two clashing groups were more “morally different universes.”
“No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes,” Romney tweeted Tuesday.
Romney was responding to Trump’s comments Tuesday that “both sides” were to blame for the violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday.
More: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346731-romney-bigots-and-those-fighting-hate-are-not-the-same
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***suicide*** :banghead:
Thank God I never voted Romney.
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This is who and what Romney is defending:
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Mitt Romney Defends Peaceful Antifa Terrorists – Gets Schooled by Twitter
Gateway Pundit, Aug 16, 2017
Mitt Romney joined the fray on Tuesday defending the violent club-wielding Antifa terrorists from Charlottesville.
An ignorant Mitt Romney defended the Antifa terrorists for rejecting “racism and bigotry.”
Mitt Romney
✔ @MittRomney
No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes.
8:14 PM - Aug 15, 2017
This did not go unnoticed.
Romney got schooled on Twitter for defending the violent domestic terrorist group.
More: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/trump-basher-mitt-romney-defends-peaceful-antifa-terrorists-gets-schooled-twitter/
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This is who and what Romney is defending:
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I'm sure you found that on CBS or CNN.
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No wonder the "Father of ObamaCare" lost to Obama.
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Stop fascism by being MORE fascist that the fascists!
Yep. Makes perfect sense.
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Statists like Romney will always side with clients of the state.
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Did he read this in his 'binder full of racists'.....?
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Romney is confusing regular people who showed up to counter protest the Supremist group to ANTIFA
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Romney seems out of touch with the situation. I like the guy, but he's wrong on this along with the RINO cockroaches crawling out of the woodwork.
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Romney seems out of touch with the situation.
What else is new?
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***suicide*** :banghead:
Thank God I never voted Romney.
Dammit, I did. I wasn't sold on him, but,as with Trump, we HAD TO consider the alternative.
We are still reaping the crap that Obama sowed and Romney was such a wimp, he gave Obama four more years to do it.
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Romney is confusing regular people who showed up to counter protest the Supremist group to ANTIFA
Romney is playing to the media and trying to stay relevant while proving that he is totally irrelevant.
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This is who and what Romney is defending:
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That is, of course, to use Romney's words, racist, bigoted and Nazi.
There is a difference between the legitimate left and the alt-left, just as there is between the legitimate right and the alt-right. The alt-varieties are birds of a feather - fascists with a thirst for intolerance. As I've said elsewhere, find a stadium somewhere, with four walls, and let 'em have at each other. Then rinse the stadium clean.
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Romney seems out of touch with the situation. I like the guy, but he's wrong on this along with the RINO cockroaches crawling out of the woodwork.
Why is it out of touch to oppose fascism?
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That is, of course, to use Romney's words, racist, bigoted and Nazi.
There is a difference between the legitimate left and the alt-left, just as there is between the legitimate right and the alt-right. The alt-varieties are birds of a feather - fascists with a thirst for intolerance. As I've said elsewhere, find a stadium somewhere, with four walls, and let 'em have at each other. Then rinse the stadium clean.
Oh REALLY? Then why is the "legitimate" left supporting, endorsing and defending the alt-left?
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Why is it out of touch to oppose fascism?
I don't believe it is. Of course it isn't. However, this statement by Romney was made strictly to attack Trump and to make Trump seem racist.
Anyone who watched the Trump speech knows that he was fair in decrying violence by both sides.
People don't get fighting mad in a vacuum. There had been too much leftist violence for too long and much of not condemned by the press or our leaders.
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Why is it out of touch to oppose fascism?
How is it in touch to support and defend Antifa and BLM ... groups that are not targeting racism, but the United States of America as founded?
How is in touch to support and defend the brutal beatings, destruction of property and the torching of automobiles by Antifa and BLM?
How does one justify Romney giving moral authority to these to groups?
@Jazzhead
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Why is it out of touch to oppose fascism?
Define "Fascism", first.
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This seems a bit coordinated, the way a few of these politicians have come out and from what they say, it's not like they are addressing the real situation but an interpretation of it, such as the way CNN reports on it.
According to Mike Gallagher, the Antifas were being called "anti-hate" yesterday on CNN.
Some of these folks seem put up to say this.
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Romney is doing his best to justify all the race-baiters out there. He is a pathetic piece of human debris.
I know we had a miserable President in Obama, but I thank God each day we did not have either McCain or Romney. W caused the conservative movement to be set so far back, we are still trying to recover as some idiots claim Romney is a conservative.
Good grief.
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This seems a bit coordinated, the way a few of these politicians have come out and from what they say, it's not like they are addressing the real situation but an interpretation of it, such as the way CNN reports on it.
According to Mike Gallagher, the Antifas were being called "anti-hate" yesterday on CNN.
Some of these folks seem put up to say this.
Exactly. The media is portraying the Antifas as the second-coming of "The White Rose."
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Romney is doing his best to justify all the race-baiters out there. He is a pathetic piece of human debris.
I know we had a miserable President in Obama, but I thank God each day we did not have either McCain or Romney. W caused the conservative movement to be set so far back, we are still trying to recover as some idiots claim Romney is a conservative.
Good grief.
See, right there is a big difference between us. McCain and Romney were not good candidates... at least not perfect ones. McCain hadn't gone quite looney tunes when he ran and Romney was a middle of the roader.
But, but, but ... conservatives who refused to vote for either and now seemed to be proud of that purity, gave us 8 years of a disastrous regime which may take us many years to overcome.
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He's right.
One side thinks and says terrible things.
The other side does terrible things.
The car attack being the exception. But we'll just put that on the scale against Micah Johnson and then look at the rest.
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Define "Fascism", first.
The alt-right and the alt-left - birds of a feather.
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The alt-right and the alt-left - birds of a feather.
Isn't that exactly what Trump said. Evil on both sides.
So why is Romney jumping in to criticize.
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See, right there is a big difference between us. McCain and Romney were not good candidates... at least not perfect ones. McCain hadn't gone quite looney tunes when he ran and Romney was a middle of the roader.
But, but, but ... conservatives who refused to vote for either and now seemed to be proud of that purity, gave us 8 years of a disastrous regime which may take us many years to overcome.
They were also disasters. If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.
With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago. With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.
With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism.
We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over. I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen.
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He's right.
One side thinks and says terrible things.
The other side does terrible things.
The car attack being the exception. But we'll just put that on the scale against Micah Johnson and then look at the rest.
You can't separate the car attack - an attack of terrorism - from what happened in Charlottesville. The car attack defines what happened in Charlottesville, for better or for worse.
I've been shouted down repeatedly for suggesting that not all Muslims should be defined by the cretins in their midst who perpetrate acts of terror. Don't now suggest that not all "white nationalists" ought not be defined by the act of this white-punk jihadist. The alt-right wears this as a mark of shame, and richly deserves all the criticism it is now receiving from ordinary Americans.
Does it not????
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You can't separate the car attack - an attack of terrorism - from what happened in Charlottesville. The car attack defines what happened in Charlottesville, for better or for worse.
I've been shouted down repeatedly for suggesting that not all Muslims should be defined by the cretins in their midst who perpetrate acts of terror. Don't now suggest that not all "white nationalists" ought not be defined by the act of this white-punk jihadist. The alt-right wears this as a mark of shame, and richly deserves all the criticism it is now receiving from ordinary Americans.
Does it not????
When ordinary Muslims condemn the acts of terrorism by other Muslims, I will agree. They do not, except in sound bites.
I don't even know what the alt-right is ... the term is continually re-defined. But what is the line between so-called alt-right and strong conservatives?
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Isn't that exactly what Trump said. Evil on both sides.
So why is Romney jumping in to criticize.
It's become a game of, "I hate Nazis more than you."
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When ordinary Muslims condemn the acts of terrorism by other Muslims, I will agree. They do not, except in sound bites.
I don't even know what the alt-right is ... the term is continually re-defined. But what is the line between so-called alt-right and strong conservatives?
The "Alt-Right" are the "Washington Generals" of the Left.
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This is who and what Romney is defending:
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Why are you claiming a fake flyer as truth?
It was created on 4Chan. Also, there is no "National Antifas Front"
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I don't even know what the alt-right is ... the term is continually re-defined. But what is the line between so-called alt-right and strong conservatives?
There is no such line because the ICE (Idiot Conservative Enablers) won't allow it. They will keep screeching about alt-right and posting green frogs and derogatory caricatures of Trump. You are alt-right because the ICE have handed you to the left on a platter.
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You can't separate the car attack - an attack of terrorism - from what happened in Charlottesville. The car attack defines what happened in Charlottesville, for better or for worse.
I say this is terrorism too. Obvious premeditated as who brings a can of hairspray or deodorant to a rally?
Attempted murder, and just because he was did not commit murder does not make it less heinous.
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Why are you claiming a fake flyer as truth?
It was created on 4Chan. Also, there is no "National Antifas Front"
Is that flyer fake? I can't seem to find information either way
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What's with the old guy humping the giant flower?
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What's with the old guy humping the giant flower?
I think the flower is closer to the camera than the man so it looks like he's humping the flower
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What's with the old guy humping the giant flower?
Beggars can't be choosers and the blue pill has a four hour window of opportunity.
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I think the flower is closer to the camera than the man so it looks like he's humping the flower
I suppose, but he seems to be getting into it.
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Romney is doing his best to justify all the race-baiters out there. He is a pathetic piece of human debris.
I know we had a miserable President in Obama, but I thank God each day we did not have either McCain or Romney. W caused the conservative movement to be set so far back, we are still trying to recover as some idiots claim Romney is a conservative.
Good grief.
Well I think we both Thank God we have President Trump to guide America back to our Conservative principles, but I'm going to have to...go ahead, and sort of disagree with you...on the happily choosing Obama over McCain or Romney. I couldn't go that far, but I admire your humongous balls in sharing your choice with us. Thank you for clarifying the measure of your character.
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Isn't that exactly what Trump said. Evil on both sides.
So why is Romney jumping in to criticize.
He's part of the 'establishment'; that's what they do.
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I suppose, but he seems to be getting into it.
Nostalgia trip. He probably recalls meeting a few cute 'flower power' girls in the 1960s protests, but found the women in this crowd quite unappealing.
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What's with the old guy humping the giant flower?
You called him "old". That can be seen by some as offensive and being critical towards the elderly.
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Why are you claiming a fake flyer as truth?
It was created on 4Chan. Also, there is no "National Antifas Front"
I often post sarcastically and without a sarcasm tag, so I want to be perfectly clear in the sincerity of this post in advance.
You are truly a treasure in these times my friend. It never occurred to be to doubt the authenticity of the flier. Thank you for questioning what you read, and investigating it. I am proud to stand by your side and lucky that we share so many values. :patriot:
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I often post sarcastically and without a sarcasm tag, so I want to be perfectly clear in the sincerity of this post in advance.
You are truly a treasure in these times my friend. It never occurred to be to doubt the authenticity of the flier. Thank you for questioning what you read, and investigating it. I am proud to stand by your side and lucky that we share so many values. :patriot:
Amen, Once-ler, and a pint of :beer: raised to HonestJohn!
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Myself, I believe that all the media hype and politicians needing a spot light to show how good they are is just to foment unrest. Unintentionally. They want to run their mouths and get attention and ratings. And take down Trump.
I really didn't think Trump's speech was bad at all yesterday. Could I parse it sentence by sentence and find fault? Sure. But imho, there WAS fault on both sides. Both sides are extremists. One side ended up with a real whack job.
Truthfully...I must have "protest fatigue". A large number of these people didn't even know what they were marching about. It reminds me of Brando...
Question: What are you protesting about?
Brando: What do ya got?
Seriously people...get a job. Handle your objectives in a legal and realistic manner. Of course you have the right to protest...but should that be the answer to every problem?
Rant off...returning my soapbox to the closet. :laugh:
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Well I think we both Thank God we have President Trump to guide America back to our Conservative principles, but I'm going to have to...go ahead, and sort of disagree with you...on the happily choosing Obama over McCain or Romney. I couldn't go that far, but I admire your humongous balls in sharing your choice with us. Thank you for clarifying the measure of your character.
please quote to me where I said I prefer Obama over McCain or Romney?
I call you out on that lie.
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please quote to me where I said I prefer Obama over McCain or Romney?
I call you out on that lie.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Just scroll up. You posted it
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Just scroll up. You posted it
Another lie. Show me the quote.
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Another lie. Show me the quote.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Scroll up bleep. You said o bama was bad but at least McCain and Romney didn't win.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Scroll up bleep. You said o bama was bad but at least McCain and Romney didn't win.
hey, reading-challenged: did I say I prefer or supported Obama?
Go bacK and read slowly.
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hey, reading-challenged: did I say I prefer or supported Obama?
Go bacK and read slowly.
@IsailedawayfromFR
You said at least he won over them. Back it up and apologize for your insults. Either that or eff off.
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hey, reading-challenged: did I say I prefer or supported Obama?
Go bacK and read slowly.
There is no need, I concede your balls are much smaller.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
You said at least he won over them. Back it up and apologize for your insults. Either that or eff off.
You have an obvious agenda and like a lib try to lie to exude it.
You lied that I supported Obama over the other two. I never said that and I would never do that.
Keep it up, you may qualify for a CNN reporter yet.
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There is no need, I concede your balls are much smaller.
Lying, then trying to be cute to cover the lie. Nicely done.
You have no basis whatsoever to have said that I "on the happily choosing Obama over McCain or Romney. "
I NEVER said I chose Obama over those other two. Get mature or go away. You are outed.
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***suicide*** :banghead:
Thank God I never voted Romney.
Thanks for your help in returning Obama to a second term.
It's amazing how much leeway people are willing to give Trump when he tweets or says something questionable, asinine or over the line. Those same people are never willing to extend a smidgen of grace toward those they deem not pure of heart enough to represent conservatism the Republican party.
No, I'm not a Romney fan. Just an observer of human behavior. And, yes, I would rather have had Romney than four more years of Obama. In 2012, Republicans didn't seem to care that much about that whole binary choice concept that was so important in 2016.
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Over the years, I have been a Romney defender. I almost got banned from TOS in 2008 because I deemed him more Conservative than John McCain. (He was). In 2012, I voted for him in the general even though I was a Santorum supporter in the primary (for which I did get banned from TOS for refusing to drink the Noot kool-aid).
I was thoroughly disappointed in the candidate Romney became going down the stretch even though I applaud him for sticking to the Conservative side (e.g. Repeal Obamacare and no replace).
But on this, I cannot defend him. His words are opportunistic, short-sighted, and completely uncalled for. And it plays right into the hands of the media whose only goal in this entirely staged affair is to weaken our President. And with his niece as RNC Chair, it makes his comments even worse.
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I'm so not in the mood for this shit. Cut out the insults.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Just scroll up. You posted it
That's not what he said....and unlike some here I get what he was trying to say instead of being in a race to make a claim that @IsailedawayfromFR said something he didn't.
Obama...made no bones nor did he try to hide what he was...a raging hard core Leftist who left to his own devices would have turned us into the next USSR.
McCain and Romney tried to hide their Liberal beliefs by pretending at election time to be Conservatives...and we were all suppsoed to just ignore their voting record from their other times in elected office. McCain is STILL pulling this bait and switch when he's up for election. People would have found out in a quick fast hurry...much like now...that the person on the Republican ticket for President (McCain or Romney) wasn't the Conservative they touted themselves to be in order to get people to cast a vote for them at the ballot box.
THAT is what he was trying to say. Not that he supported or preferred Obama over a Republican.
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That's not what he said....and unlike some here I get what he was trying to say instead of being in a race to make a claim that @IsailedawayfromFR said something he didn't.
Obama...made no bones nor did he try to hide what he was...a raging hard core Leftist who left to his own devices would have turned us into the next USSR.
McCain and Romney tried to hide their Liberal beliefs by pretending at election time to be Conservatives...and we were all suppsoed to just ignore their voting record from their other times in elected office. McCain is STILL pulling this bait and switch when he's up for election. People would have found out in a quick fast hurry...much like now...that the person on the Republican ticket for President (McCain or Romney) wasn't the Conservative they touted themselves to be in order to get people to cast a vote for them at the ballot box.
THAT is what he was trying to say. Not that he supported or preferred Obama over a Republican.
@txradioguy
Not my job to fix another posters words. All he had to do is say he didn't mean that and it would be no big deal. Instead he starts calling people liars and insulting them. He's out of line. Nuff said
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@txradioguy
Not my job to fix another posters words. All he had to do is say he didn't mean that and it would be no big deal. Instead he starts calling people liars and insulting them. He's out of line. Nuff said
There wasn't anything to unfix...not that you would admit that now that you didn't read fully what he said and just rushed in to toss out an insult.
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There wasn't anything to unfix...not that you would admit that now that you didn't read fully what he said and just rushed in to toss out an insult.
All I did is say scroll up and he threw out liar. You can join him.
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hey, reading-challenged: did I say I prefer or supported Obama?
Go bacK and read slowly.
Shoot @IsailedawayfromFR . I re-read it and your right. You said "I thank God each day we did not have either McCain or Romney," an I made an unfortunate assumption. Clearly you thank God every day for defeating your prefered and supported candidates. Now I understand who I am dealing with, and thank you for your unique perspective.
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All I did is say scroll up and he threw out liar. You can join him.
Because you lied about what he said. Your "scroll up" retort was your way of out of admitting you were wrong.
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WOW..why all the hostility.....come one people..
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Because you lied about what he said. Your "scroll up" retort was your way of out of admitting you were wrong.
B's. I'm tired of your lies.
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I really enjoy DriftDriver's posts. I think everyone should just drop the matter. There are important things to discuss.
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I really enjoy DriftDriver's posts. I think everyone should just drop the matter.
In other words, let it lie.
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Romney seems to have overlooked the fact that the counter-demonstrators to the KKK and neo-Nazi contingent at Charlottesville were not generic opponents of racism, but the "Antifa" an anti-capitalist group who espouse an ideology of class-hatred, and who have launched riots in opposition to speeches by figures who are neither neo-Nazis nor Confederate irridentists.
All and sundry should be also reminded that even lumping the estimates of deaths in African slave trade, the estimate of deaths due to colonialism, the Armenian genocide, death of American Indians due to intentional actions by settlers and various governments, Japanese Imperial brutality toward subject peoples and Naziism all together under the rubric of deaths caused by race-hatred, governments that committed mass murder on the basis of ideologies of class-hatred still have the larger body count (PRC, USSR, Khemer Rouge, and Cambodia alone outrun race-hatred driven murder even under the generous definition I used here, without adding in those who died at the hands of Communists in Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Laos, and the Soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe).
I use the figures of Prof. R.J. Rummel of U. Hawaii, the scholar who revived the notion of democide to describe both genocide and non-ethnically-based state-sponsored mass-murder in making the comparison. (cf. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ (https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/)).
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They were also disasters. If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.
With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago. With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.
With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism.
We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over. I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen.
Well, you aren't speeding by... you are on the side of a road looking at a disaster you are partially responsible for. McCain and Romney may have done very little good as presidents but the Obama you chose instead has done great harm.
People criticize Trump because he can't undo 8 years of Obama in 8 months.
That revelation you thought was coming came in the form of Trump. So pat yourself on the back or maybe slap yourself upside the head.
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That's not what he said....and unlike some here I get what he was trying to say instead of being in a race to make a claim that @IsailedawayfromFR said something he didn't.
Obama...made no bones nor did he try to hide what he was...a raging hard core Leftist who left to his own devices would have turned us into the next USSR.
McCain and Romney tried to hide their Liberal beliefs by pretending at election time to be Conservatives...and we were all suppsoed to just ignore their voting record from their other times in elected office. McCain is STILL pulling this bait and switch when he's up for election. People would have found out in a quick fast hurry...much like now...that the person on the Republican ticket for President (McCain or Romney) wasn't the Conservative they touted themselves to be in order to get people to cast a vote for them at the ballot box.
THAT is what he was trying to say. Not that he supported or preferred Obama over a Republican.
Thanks for the interpretation of another's words.
But this is true in every election. Choices. This time it was Hillary or Trump. Last time it was Romney or Obama. Before that it was McCain or Obama.
We would be MUCH better off if we had rejected Obama both times. We'd have plenty to gripe about in our Republican leaders but they would not have set the country back decades both by encouraging racism and enacting Obamacare.
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Thanks for the interpretation of another's words.
But this is true in every election. Choices. This time it was Hillary or Trump. Last time it was Romney or Obama. Before that it was McCain or Obama.
We would be MUCH better off if we had rejected Obama both times. We'd have plenty to gripe about in our Republican leaders but they would not have set the country back decades both by encouraging racism and enacting Obamacare.
Obviously it was an accurate interpretation.
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B's. I'm tired of your lies.
Except I didn't lie. You can't show any post here where I have and you know it.
This is just becoming your go to response when you don't want to deal with difficult subject matter.
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Romney seems to have overlooked the fact that the counter-demonstrators to the KKK and neo-Nazi contingent at Charlottesville were not generic opponents of racism, but the "Antifa" an anti-capitalist group who espouse an ideology of class-hatred, and who have launched riots in opposition to speeches by figures who are neither neo-Nazis nor Confederate irridentists.
But most of those who rallied against the alt-right in Charlottesville WERE lawfully opposing fascism, and intended to express their opposition peacefully. Those who did not - the antifa - were distinguishable by their bearing arms and wearing masks.
Of course, this was all theater, and the alt-right played their parts to the hilt. A torchlight rally shouting anti-Semitic slogans (yeah, they were tiki torches but the symbolism to Nuremberg '36 was obvious) is no way to garner sympathy for Southern monuments. It is, however, a stick in the eye of the counterprotesters, who acted predictably, and the larger community, who saw this as a rally rooted in simple racism and bigotry, not concern for Southern heritage.
The alt-right came to Charlottesville to cause trouble, and found it. The denouement, with a new civil rights martyr created at the hands of a brain-dead Nazi in a car, will cost conservatism dearly, unless folks like Romney and others speak out forcefully against alt-right hate.
The simple fact is that conservatives have been far more vocal in denouncing alt-right violence than liberals have been in denouncing alt-left violence. I'm proud of that - and proud of Romney and other conservative leaders for speaking up. Two wrongs never make a right.
All and sundry should be also reminded that even lumping the estimates of deaths in African slave trade, the estimate of deaths due to colonialism, the Armenian genocide, death of American Indians due to intentional actions by settlers and various governments, Japanese Imperial brutality toward subject peoples and Naziism all together under the rubric of deaths caused by race-hatred, governments that committed mass murder on the basis of ideologies of class-hatred still have the larger body count (PRC, USSR, Khemer Rouge, and Cambodia alone outrun race-hatred driven murder even under the generous definition I used here, without adding in those who died at the hands of Communists in Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Laos, and the Soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe).
So left-wing fascists killed more people than right-wing fascists. Who cares? It's no defense of cowshit to proclaim that at least it's not oxshit. It is all antithetical to American values, and the true patriot is he who denounces both sides, and most forcefully those who claim to be on his own.
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But what better optics to humiliate the alt-right than to show them marching with nobody around, making them look completely foolish.
But nooo, the antifas and their ilk, know that the press is on their side, and will proclaim them to be the second-coming of the "White Rose".
And then this is what you get......but it's sure good for ratings. in'it? And good for politicians to get on the tube with their faux sanctimony.
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But what better optics to humiliate the alt-right than to show them marching with nobody around, making them look completely foolish.
But nooo, the antifas and their ilk, know that the press is on their side, and will proclaim them to be the second-coming of the "White Rose".
And then this is what you get......but it's sure good for ratings. in'it?
It's all theater. And it's all good fun until someone gets killed, or private property gets destroyed. Sober analysis will reveal that the tragedy of Charlottesville was largely the fault of negligent policing.
In a news story this morning, unemployment among young people (under age 24) is at its lowest point since 1969. The best it's been in forty seven years! And the stock market has never been higher, and the coal industry is hiring again. That's what's happening in the real world, once you get past all the political theater that CNN and Fox News and folks on political discussion boards obsess over.
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It's all theater. And it's all good fun until someone gets killed, or private property gets destroyed. Sober analysis will reveal that the tragedy of Charlottesville was largely the fault of negligent policing.
In a news story this morning, unemployment among young people (under age 24) is at its lowest point since 1969. The best it's been in forty seven years! And the stock market has never been higher, and the coal industry is hiring again. That's what's happening in the real world, once you get past all the political theater that CNN and Fox News and folks on political discussion boards obsess over.
The economy is Trump's saving grace. People will overlook a lot of things if the economy is good.
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The economy is Trump's saving grace. People will overlook a lot of things if the economy is good.
Exactly.
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Well, you aren't speeding by... you are on the side of a road looking at a disaster you are partially responsible for.
Exactly what is it that you are saying I am responsible for anyway? Do you know anything at all regarding what I did or didn't do or are you simply regurgitating someone else's false representations
Give me the quote of what it is.
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Except I didn't lie. You can't show any post here where I have and you know it.
This is just becoming your go to response when you don't want to deal with difficult subject matter.
@txradioguy
My goto response? Who raised it first? hmmmmmmmmmm It wasn't me.
When communicating you are responsible for your words. If what you say isn't interpreted the way you intended then it is incumbent upon YOU to to clarify your meaning. When someone says they didn't like Obama but they were glad his opponents didn't win then I stop reading. I don't look for deeper meaning, I don't jump thru hoops to figure out if they really meant it.
If your first response is to start throwing insults then you really aren't worth any more of my time.
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@txradioguy
My goto response? Who raised it first? hmmmmmmmmmm It wasn't me.
When communicating you are responsible for your words. If what you say isn't interpreted the way you intended then it is incumbent upon YOU to to clarify your meaning. When someone says they didn't like Obama but they were glad his opponents didn't win then I stop reading. I don't look for deeper meaning, I don't jump thru hoops to figure out if they really meant it.
If your first response is to start throwing insults then you really aren't worth any more of my time.
Ah, Grasshopper...quick study, you are! 888high58888
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It's all theater. And it's all good fun until someone gets killed, or private property gets destroyed. Sober analysis will reveal that the tragedy of Charlottesville was largely the fault of negligent policing.
In a news story this morning, unemployment among young people (under age 24) is at its lowest point since 1969. The best it's been in forty seven years! And the stock market has never been higher, and the coal industry is hiring again. That's what's happening in the real world, once you get past all the political theater that CNN and Fox News and folks on political discussion boards obsess over.
Thanks for a glimpse into the real world. We should all visit it sometime.
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Exactly what is it that you are saying I am responsible for anyway? Do you know anything at all regarding what I did or didn't do or are you simply regurgitating someone else's false representations
Give me the quote of what it is.
You and all the self-satisfied purists who refused to vote for flawed Republican candidates, even though the only other choice was an evil leftist who we knew would attempt to destroy our country as we knew it... and by the way, almost succeeded ... are responsible for the 8 years prior to this recent election.
Get it?
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:thumbsup2:
Oh REALLY? Then why is the "legitimate" left supporting, endorsing and defending the alt-left?
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You and all the self-satisfied purists who refused to vote for flawed Republican candidates, even though the only other choice was an evil leftist who we knew would attempt to destroy our country as we knew it... and by the way, almost succeeded ... are responsible for the 8 years prior to this recent election.
Get it?
Where is the quote from me that backs up what you just said?
What's the matter, can't find it?
Because you just lied that I said it.
Agenda-driven libs work the same way.
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And DT is mourning the loss of the statue. Not a word about the murdered woman and all those other injured by the Nazi driver.
PATHETIC
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Where is the quote from me that backs up what you just said?
What's the matter, can't find it?
Because you just lied that I said it.
Agenda-driven libs work the same way.
Here it is.
"They were also disasters. If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.
With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago. With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.
With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism.
We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over. I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen."
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But this is true in every election. Choices. This time it was Hillary or Trump. Last time it was Romney or Obama. Before that it was McCain or Obama.
We would be MUCH better off if we had rejected Obama both times. We'd have plenty to gripe about in our Republican leaders but they would not have set the country back decades both by encouraging racism and enacting Obamacare.
I agree.
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The alt-right came to Charlottesville to cause trouble, and found it.
The "alt-right" had been in Charlottesville for a month. Their assemblies began back on July 8. So no, they didn't come to cause trouble.
The "alt-left" didn't turn up on the scene until last weekend, the very day that the violence started. So if anyone came to cause trouble, it was the "alt-left".
btw, the Lee statue was vandalized before the July 8 rally took place. Not that CNN or PMSNBC would ever report that.
(https://localtvwtvr.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/vandalism55.jpg)
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And DT is mourning the loss of the statue. Not a word about the murdered woman and all those other injured by the Nazi driver.
PATHETIC
“Two days ago, a young American woman, Heather Heyer, was tragically killed. Her death fills us with grief, and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers, and our love.”
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The "alt-right" had been in Charlottesville for a month. Their assemblies began back on July 8. So no, they didn't come to cause trouble.
The "alt-left" didn't turn up on the scene until last weekend, the very day that the violence started. So if anyone came to cause trouble, it was the "alt-left".
btw, the Lee statue was vandalized before the July 8 rally took place. Not that CNN or PMSNBC would ever report that.
(https://localtvwtvr.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/vandalism55.jpg)
Did they hurt Ole Traveler?
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“Two days ago, a young American woman, Heather Heyer, was tragically killed. Her death fills us with grief, and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers, and our love.”
-President Trump-
Thank YOU! It's bad enough when the left says these things. Regardless of how one feels about Trump, this crap shouldn't come from the Right.
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@txradioguy
My goto response? Who raised it first? hmmmmmmmmmm It wasn't me.
When communicating you are responsible for your words. If what you say isn't interpreted the way you intended then it is incumbent upon YOU to to clarify your meaning. When someone says they didn't like Obama but they were glad his opponents didn't win then I stop reading. I don't look for deeper meaning, I don't jump thru hoops to figure out if they really meant it.
If your first response is to start throwing insults then you really aren't worth any more of my time.
So you can't show where I lied got it.
My first response wasn't an insult.
After that I've got nothing else to say. I proved my point.
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So you can't show where I lied got it.
My first response wasn't an insult.
After that I've got nothing else to say. I proved my point.
@txradioguy
No the guy who started calling people liars and hurling insults had the first response. You chose to support him and then called anyone who disagreed with you a liar.
Your statements make you a liar. Guess that comes as part of the job with PR people.
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Somehow that one sentence from DT does not make up for his subsequent tweets, rants, and insults hurled at others.
At this point the murdered woman wants nothing to do with Trump.
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At this point the murdered woman wants nothing to do with Trump.
Probably because she is dead.
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Here it is.
"They were also disasters. If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.
With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago. With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.
With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism.
We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over. I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen."
please show me where in that quote where you said I refused to vote for either Romney or McCain. You cannot, because I never said it.
Your fervent desire to castigate others causes you to lie.
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@txradioguy
No the guy who started calling people liars and hurling insults had the first response. You chose to support him and then called anyone who disagreed with you a liar.
Your statements make you a liar. Guess that comes as part of the job with PR people.
I call out liars. You are one. Not an insult, a fact.
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please show me where in that quote where you said I refused to vote for either Romney or McCain. You cannot, because I never said it.
Your fervent desire to castigate others causes you to lie.
@IsailedawayfromFR
You've already been shown. You said you didn't vote for them.
Can't even remember your own stories. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
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I call out liars. You are one. Not an insult, a fact.
I found your picture.
(http://mymodernmet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/archive/Ya8AdqbSL818O9R05lKH_1082040758.jpeg)
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@IsailedawayfromFR
You've already been shown. You said you didn't vote for them.
Can't even remember your own stories. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
your fantasy story belongs in a Tolkien novel. I never said I did not vote for them.
Liar.
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They were also disasters. If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.
With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago. With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.
With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism.
We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over. I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen.
This is a nihilist perspective. Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to. Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.
So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney? Don't lie and deny that's what you said. But didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible? Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program. Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be. This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.
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This is a nihilist perspective. Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to. Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.
So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney? Don't lie and deny that's what you said. But didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible? Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program. Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be. This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.
I hate it, but you're right. I bit the bullet and voted for McCain and Romney, but I'm really getting tired of only having the "Bad Choice" and the "Even Worse Choice".
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This is a nihilist perspective. Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to.
McCain and Romney didn't win. But at least Romney ran as a Conservative, while McCain ran as though he wanted to be Obama's VP.
Personally, I believe the Romney campaign was sabotaged. They spent a ton of money on hi-tech consultant firms who were going to come through on election day to deliver all these votes for Romney. As it turned out later, all of these consultants were Obama supporters. Their software developed glitches on election day, with all that money going down the drain.
The whole "most Conservative candidate who can win" is BS anyway. It is either one or the other.
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McCain and Romney didn't win. But at least Romney ran as a Conservative, while McCain ran as though he wanted to be Obama's VP.
Personally, I believe the Romney campaign was sabotaged. They spent a ton of money on hi-tech consultant firms who were going to come through on election day to deliver all these votes for Romney. As it turned out later, all of these consultants were Obama supporters. Their software developed glitches on election day, with all that money going down the drain.
The whole "most Conservative candidate who can win" is BS anyway. It is either one or the other.
The "Father of ObamaCare" ran as a Conservative?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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The "Father of ObamaCare" ran as a Conservative?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yes, he did. Whether you believe he would govern as one is a different matter. Romney said that the federal government had no business sticking its nose in the insurance market, saying that it was a matter that should be left to the States. No repeal and replace. Just repeal. Romney also said that the federal government should lift its prohibition against interstate commerce regarding insurance, and that people should be allowed to contribute to HSAs tax free.
Believe me, I know what your assessment of Mittens is - most of which I agree. But as a candidate, Romney stuck to Conservatism. His first debate with Obama was outstanding. And as a businessman, he has an outstanding record of returning failing businesses back to profitability.
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@dfwgator
On a personal level, I am very glad that you are posting here. My biggest regret from my ban from JimRob Republic was the intelligent discourse as well as the abundance of witty humor from posters such as yourself.
And how much better things will be for both of us once the SEC football season begins.
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please show me where in that quote where you said I refused to vote for either Romney or McCain. You cannot, because I never said it.
Your fervent desire to castigate others causes you to lie.
I have no fervent desire to castigate others, not even you. You know, it was Trump who started the thing of calling people liars. Remember 'Lyin Ted Cruz.'
In the future you might consider using less Trumpish language.
For example, you could say that I was mistaken, or perhaps uninformed.
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I have no fervent desire to castigate others, not even you. You know, it was Trump who started the thing of calling people liars. Remember 'Lyin Ted Cruz.'
In the future you might consider using less Trumpish language.
For example, you could say that I was mistaken, or perhaps uninformed.
You said that I said something that I never said. That is a lie. Unvarnished truth.
If you feel like that is too strong for you, you are also mistaken.
Being PC is not what will win this country back.
We need to call the Dems and MSM out when they lie too.
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You said that I said something that I never said. That is a lie. Unvarnished truth.
If you feel like that is too strong for you, you are also mistaken.
Being PC is not what will win this country back.
We need to call the Dems and MSM out when they lie too.
You won't give it up will you ... even though a number of people have called you out on it.
If I say you are an unredeemable idiot ... is that too strong for you?
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Yes, he did. Whether you believe he would govern as one is a different matter. Romney said that the federal government had no business sticking its nose in the insurance market, saying that it was a matter that should be left to the States. No repeal and replace. Just repeal. Romney also said that the federal government should lift its prohibition against interstate commerce regarding insurance, and that people should be allowed to contribute to HSAs tax free.
Believe me, I know what your assessment of Mittens is - most of which I agree. But as a candidate, Romney stuck to Conservatism. His first debate with Obama was outstanding. And as a businessman, he has an outstanding record of returning failing businesses back to profitability.
I voted for McCain with little enthusiasm, but I really liked Mitt Romney. I think he would have made a superb President. As for 2016, let's just say I was proud and motivated to vote for Pat Toomey.
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This is a nihilist perspective. Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to. Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.
So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney? Don't lie and deny that's what you said. But didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible? Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program. Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be. This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.
Now finally I engage someone, even an avowed socialist liberal, who is actually interested in a dialogue instead of reading into my comments something I never said or did.
As I have already stated I would never vote for Obama, who, as you said, is a full-throated liberal. Does that acknowledge to you that I never 'lied' about it?
Yes, I did in fact vote for McCain and Romney. At the general election time, we had no other bonafide choices. Prior to that time, we sure as hell did, and I voted for, as you say it 'a full-throated' conservative in Ted Cruz.
We have choices in life and I aspire to make strategic ones, like following Jesus Christ to look toward the long-term rather than the immediate. I am an unabashed enthusiast in that regard.
Supporting whole-heartedly a person like McCain or Romney, people who would have seriously denigrated the Republican party in open borders and appeasement if elected president, is not a good strategy. It is why we have the current problems in the GOP such as support of the government takeover of healthcare, etc.
I disdain McCain and Romney, although I voted for them in the general. Most people did not do so, hence we have an Obama.
My career was in strategy, long term. There are sometime imminent things before us which cause short term successes to be weighed against long-term successes. Which do you choose?
Let's take a case in point WW2. Did Roosevelt align himself with Stalin because he supported Communism? No, he chose the immediate threat of Nazism and sought assistance from Russia to overcome it.
Did Roosevelt choose wisely? Most say he did, as the Nazis were destroyed. But did Roosevelt help Communism succeed? Absolutely. After the war, Russia took over most of Eastern Europe and imposed their will for decades. We fought a 'Cold War' over that.
Was Roosevelt right when he chose Communism over the Nazis? Likely, but it could be argued otherwise. Who knows if the Reich would have lasted, and we all know that the murderous Communists spread their contamination far beyond Russia and were responsible for far more deaths to non-combatants than the Reich ever did. We even have Communism/Socialism proliferating in this country.
One other thing: you say with certainty that Obama's 8 years of damage is 'irreversible'. How do you know? When I saw Jimmy Carter emerge as President in the 70s, I thought the same thing about its 'irreversibility'. We then had Ronald Reagan emerge as a true champion to return this country to its conservative roots. I was wrong about Carter being an end-all to keeping this country firmly founded.
W and his father did not advance the conservative cause. They watered it down. I believe both McCain and Romney would have done the same, at this nations' detriment. When one of then like Romney post comments like this thread was originally intended to discuss, it solidifies that belief.
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You won't give it up will you ... even though a number of people have called you out on it.
If I say you are an unredeemable idiot ... is that too strong for you?
On a legal basis, you 'lack standing'.
Get back on your witch-hunt and find another victim to roast. I refuse to be one.