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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Fishrrman on March 19, 2023, 07:52:16 pm
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11878015/MAGA-supporters-demand-DeSantis-defy-Trump-arrest-National-Guard-Mar-Lago.html
MAGA supporters call for Gov. DeSantis to deploy National Guard to protect ex-president at Mar-a-Lago from possible arrest and plan a 'Patriot Moat' at Florida mansion - as GOP chiefs accuse Manhattan DA of 'abusing his power'
By MELISSA KOENIG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 08:01 EDT, 19 March 2023
The money excerpt:
Now, some MAGA conservatives are demanding that DeSantis refuse to extradite Trump to a 'Soros DA' until the Florida government can conduct its own investigation — with some even saying the governor should call in the Florida National Guard to protect Trump.
But so far, DeSantis has remained quiet about the potential arrest, even as other Republicans line up to denounce the possible indictment as an 'abuse of power.'
Among those calling for action are political commentator Mike Cernovich and radio host Stew Peters.
Cernovich, for his part, demanded that DeSantis refuse to extradite the former president, even offering a statement for the Florida governor to use.
'I will not extradite a presidential candidate to a Soros DA who allows violent criminals to roam free until there has been a proper legal review conducted under Florida law,' he offered. 'If lawful, then extradition may occur, but not one day sooner.'
Political strategist and former radio host Joey M. also tweeted 'if DeSantis signs that extradition request, his political career as we know it would be over. He’d be worse than Pence.
More at URL above...
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So why is DeSantis obligated to do anything here, especially after the way trump has been trashing him?
If New York's finest actually flies down to Mar-A-Lago to slap cuffs on Trump, would it not be an issue for the Sheriff's department, local law enforcement, and the Secret Service?
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Rattler tries to bite with:
"So why is DeSantis obligated to do anything here, especially after the way trump has been trashing him?"
Fine, then.
Just fine.
Let Mr. DeSantis do nothing in defense of Mr. Trump.
Fine with me.
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Rattler tries to bite with:
"So why is DeSantis obligated to do anything here, especially after the way trump has been trashing him?"
Fine, then.
Just fine.
Let Mr. DeSantis do nothing in defense of Mr. Trump.
Fine with me.
So DeSantis is supposed to defy the federal government and illegally block extradition in order to prevent Trump from being arrested??? Nothing like just handing a clear cut case of Obstruction of Justice to Biden's DOJ, huh? So instead of Trump going to trial in a case in which he very likely would be exonerated eventually, DeSantis is supposed to get convicted of a crime of which he'd actually be guilty. And whomever DeSantis would order to obstruct federal marshals wouldn't comply with his order anyway if they had a brain, so both of them would get arrested anyway.
This is almost a carbon-copy of the same type of logic that handed the Democrats the January 6 "insurrection". Except I'm pretty confident DeSantis isn't stupid enough to fall for it as did Trump.
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This is almost a carbon-copy of the same type of logic that handed the Democrats the January 6 "insurrection".
Which has been used against Trump and candidates tied to him with modest success
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Which has been used against Trump and candidates tied to him with modest success
I think the MAGA-ites should just head to Florida themselves to physically prevent extradition. Why beg someone else to break the law for "the cause" when you can just do it yourself? Or are they just too cowardly?
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So DeSantis is supposed to defy the federal government and illegally block extradition in order to prevent Trump from being arrested??? Nothing like just handing a clear cut case of Obstruction of Justice to Biden's DOJ, huh? So instead of Trump going to trial in a case in which he very likely would be exonerated eventually, DeSantis is supposed to get convicted of a crime of which he'd actually be guilty. And whomever DeSantis would order to obstruct federal marshals wouldn't comply with his order anyway if they had a brain, so both of them would get arrested anyway.
This is almost a carbon-copy of the same type of logic that handed the Democrats the January 6 "insurrection". Except I'm pretty confident DeSantis isn't stupid enough to fall for it as did Trump.
Also, Trump and his followers have been calling Ron names, so now they expect him to protect Trump. I'm sorry if I was a Governor where Trump is about to be arrested and Trump and his followers has been calling me names, I would just ignore his plea.
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I think the MAGA-ites should just head to Florida themselves to physically prevent extradition. Why beg someone else to break the law for "the cause" when you can just do it yourself? Or are they just too cowardly?
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I think the MAGA-ites should just head to Florida themselves to physically prevent extradition. Why beg someone else to break the law for "the cause" when you can just do it yourself? Or are they just too cowardly?
Right
They're demanding people like Desantis and everyone else to change Trump's dirty diaper.
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Rattler tries to bite with:
"So why is DeSantis obligated to do anything here, especially after the way trump has been trashing him?"
Fine, then.
Just fine.
Let Mr. DeSantis do nothing in defense of Mr. Trump.
Fine with me.
Once again, who paid a stripper to do whatever strippers do? Trump or DeSantis? Who tried to cover it up with hush money? Trump or DeSantis? Who tries to position themselves as being a victim here? Trump or DeSantis? This ain't Russia this or that, which Trump could rightfully claim being the victim of a corrupt alphabet government/democrat media and party/Hillary. This is the scratching and clawing of Trumpists trying to bring down everyone with Trump as they circle the drain.
Most everyone here defended Trump against the fake accusations brought on by the machine (Octopus with many legs). People went to jail over it. But at some point, nobody wants to be the head stepped upon and pushed under water for covering up a cover-up. The argument that Biden has done worse is a valid one, but until we have someone clean enough in office to not draw rightful friendly fire, we are just excusing corruption ourselves.
There is a reason one wants the high ground... Trump gave up that high ground and sharing sinking sand with others makes a rough go of things.
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If DeSantis calls in the National Guard to try to resist the federal government, he instantly becomes unelectable nationally. Probably why some Trump supporters are urging it.
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Uhh, maybe I'm just dumb, but as far as I can tell, these would be charges by a NY prosecutor for violations of NY law, and as far as I know, NY police do not have jurisdiction to make arrests outside of NY.
So that means they would have to seek extradition through Florida courts, not some midnight SWAT raid.
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Uhh, maybe I'm just dumb, but as far as I can tell, these would be charges by a NY prosecutor for violations of NY law, and as far as I know, NY police do not have jurisdiction to make arrests outside of NY.
So that means they would have to seek extradition through Florida courts, not some midnight SWAT raid.
Yup
NYPD can’t go to Florida to arrest him. And this type of charge isn’t up to a level to require a SWAT team
Many in the MAGA movement have a limited grasp of basic civics. I blame public education
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The Trump side needs to STHU and bite the bullet. This should be an easy case to win, then file for sanctions, RICO, or whatever else to get back at the NY/DOJ legal slime machine. Enough of the drama already.
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The Trump side needs to STHU and bite the bullet. This should be an easy case to win, then file for sanctions, RICO, or whatever else to get back at the NY/DOJ legal slime machine. Enough of the drama already.
Trump never knows when to keep his mouth shut and yes, he lives for the drama.
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If this was a Shakespeare play, Meatball Ron DeSanctimonious would let the Feds take out Tangerine Mussolini.
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The Trump side needs to STHU and bite the bullet. This should be an easy case to win, then file for sanctions, RICO, or whatever else to get back at the NY/DOJ legal slime machine. Enough of the drama already.
Assuming this misdemeanor charge is filed, it really shouldn't survive a motion to dismiss. Then Trump should file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution against the Soros prosecutor.
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Assuming this misdemeanor charge is filed, it really shouldn't survive a motion to dismiss. Then Trump should file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution against the Soros prosecutor.
It probably will survive a motion to dismiss - most NY trial judges are averse to granting those, particularly for a defendant like Trump who doesn't tick any of the MFM (most favored minority) boxes.
That being said, if he gets a dismissal or an acquittal, he should sue for malicious prosecution.
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It probably will survive a motion to dismiss - most NY trial judges are averse to granting those, particularly for a defendant like Trump who doesn't tick any of the MFM (most favored minority) boxes.
Exactly. What I meant was that in a sane, just world - as opposed to Manhattan - it wouldn't survive a motion to dismiss! :laugh:
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Assuming this misdemeanor charge is filed, it really shouldn't survive a motion to dismiss. Then Trump should file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution against the Soros prosecutor.
@mountaineer
Sounds like a good plan,but would he be suring for malicious prosecution in Fl,or in NY? I suspect trying this in a NY court would be a waste of time and money,although it MIGHT help him politically. After all,practically nobody from NY will be voting for him anyhow.
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The malicious prosecution suit would be filed in NY.
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@mountaineer
Sounds like a good plan,but would he be suring for malicious prosecution in Fl,or in NY? I suspect trying this in a NY court would be a waste of time and money,although it MIGHT help him politically. After all,practically nobody from NY will be voting for him anyhow.
In NY.
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The malicious prosecution suit would be filed in NY.
@mountaineer
Oh,well.
So much for that
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In NY.
@Kamaji
In that case,it would be a waste of time and money.
Damn shame he can't bring a suit up in America.
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DeSantis: All I know is Alvin Bragg is weaponizing his office and hurting ordinary New Yorkers
https://hotair.com/headlines/2023/03/20/desantis-all-i-know-is-alvin-bragg-is-weaponizing-his-office-and-hurting-ordinary-new-yorkers-n538068
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DeSantis: All I know is Alvin Bragg is weaponizing his office and hurting ordinary New Yorkers
https://hotair.com/headlines/2023/03/20/desantis-all-i-know-is-alvin-bragg-is-weaponizing-his-office-and-hurting-ordinary-new-yorkers-n538068
If you're going to make a statement, that's the exact kind of statement you make. It would be foolish for DeSantis to speak on the specifics of an indictment that hasn't even happened yet. But it is perfectly appropriate for him to go after the Soros-backed prosecutor on his own merits.
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If you're going to make a statement, that's the exact kind of statement you make. It would be foolish for DeSantis to speak on the specifics of an indictment that hasn't even happened yet. But it is perfectly appropriate for him to go after the Soros-backed prosecutor on his own merits.
:yowsa:
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If you're going to make a statement, that's the exact kind of statement you make. It would be foolish for DeSantis to speak on the specifics of an indictment that hasn't even happened yet. But it is perfectly appropriate for him to go after the Soros-backed prosecutor on his own merits.
:thumbsup:
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It probably will survive a motion to dismiss - most NY trial judges are averse to granting those, particularly for a defendant like Trump who doesn't tick any of the MFM (most favored minority) boxes.
That being said, if he gets a dismissal or an acquittal, he should sue for malicious prosecution.
From what I've read, it seems that there may be a pretty good statute of limitations argument. If so, that is the type of dismissal they'd be more likely to grant.
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From what I've read, it seems that there may be a pretty good statute of limitations argument. If so, that is the type of dismissal they'd be more likely to grant.
If there is a good SoL argument, then I would tend to agree. An SoL argument is usually pretty cut and dried, and so not particularly dependent on factual findings.
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Many in the MAGA movement have a limited grasp of basic civics.
This is the one thing about Trump that kind of puts me over the edge. I listen to him talk/read what he says, and come away thinking that the guy truly has no understanding of the way in which our constitutional/legal systems actually works. I truly believe I had a better understanding of when I graduated hight school than he does today.
I cut him some slack on that in 2016 because he was new to politics, and wasn't a lawyer. But I figured he'd have the brains and intellectual curiosity to pick it up as President.
But he never did. I still hear him say stuff that reveals a complete lack of understanding of the mechanics of government and legal constraints. And it truly makes me wonder what kind of guy never tried to figure it out but still feels comfortable just shooting from the hip.
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complete lack of understanding of the mechanics of government and legal.
constraints. And it truly makes me wonder what kind of guy never tried to figure it out but still feels comfortable just shooting from the hip.
Or he just plain old doesn't care. I think it's that actually.
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This is the one thing about Trump that kind of puts me over the edge. I listen to him talk/read what he says, and come away thinking that the guy truly has no understanding of the way in which our constitutional/legal systems actually works. I truly believe I had a better understanding of when I graduated hight school than he does today.
He does this on purpose, much of the time.
Take this instance - This whole thing came out of Tumpy's rumor mill - That is admotted now == There is no basis in fact that Tumpy is to be indicted.
BUT he used it to build all kinds of drama even to the point of leaving Desantis in a no win position - like the expectation that he call out the National Guard and lay down his political life in the service of Tumpy against a ridiculously laughable misdemeanor indictment...
And look at the feedback loop - People bought into it.
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Isn’t it time for the snowbirds to fly home? Go be with your people Donnie. They have missed you.
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Mr. Trump has always liked to "fly by the seat of his pants," whether in his business dealings, or in flinging unsubstantiated conclusions to get his base all worked up. That's his personality, and that's why many folks like him. I guess supporters like seeing him balance on a tightrope, but it's irritating and unnerving to many in the GOP. And Trump can push the limit of incredulity.
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Or he just plain old doesn't care. I think it's that actually.
I think that's exactly right.
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If DeSantis calls in the National Guard to try to resist the federal government, he instantly becomes unelectable nationally. Probably why some Trump supporters are urging it.
@Maj. Bill Martin
I know of no one demanding Miss DeSantis call in the NG. I DO see people here,including me,mad that he doesn't make a public announcement calling it a political ploy by the Dim Left in order to try to keep a brain-damaged criminal in the WH.
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Yup
NYPD can’t go to Florida to arrest him. And this type of charge isn’t up to a level to require a SWAT team
Many in the MAGA movement have a limited grasp of basic civics. I blame public education
@LMAO
That would include you and the other "Rude Orange Man" weasels. This is PURELY political.
It IS good to see people out themselves as being in support of the DNC,though.
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I DO see people here,including me,mad that he doesn't make a public announcement calling it a political ploy by the Dim Left in order to try to keep a brain-damaged criminal in the WH.
But he did make a public statement: “But I do know this: The Manhattan district attorney is a Soros-funded prosecutor, and so he, like other Soros-funded prosecutors, they weaponize their office to impose a political agenda on society at the expense of the rule of law and public safety,” DeSantis told reporters during a news conference on Monday. ...
“I have no interest in getting involved in some type of manufactured circus by some Soros DA. He’s trying to do a political spectacle. He’s trying to virtue signal for his base. I’ve got real issues I got to deal with here in the state of Florida,” DeSantis said. ... NY Post via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-blasts-soros-funded-da-bragg-over-imminent-trump-arrest/ar-AA18RDgp)
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He does this on purpose, much of the time.
Take this instance - This whole thing came out of Tumpy's rumor mill - That is admotted now == There is no basis in fact that Tumpy is to be indicted.
BUT he used it to build all kinds of drama even to the point of leaving Desantis in a no win position - like the expectation that he call out the National Guard and lay down his political life in the service of Tumpy against a ridiculously laughable misdemeanor indictment...
And look at the feedback loop - People bought into it.
If this is truly just a figment of Trump's imagination then you have to really be in awe of the maddening genius of Trump's way of operating: do whatever it takes to keep yourself in the spotlight no matter what.
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The Trump side needs to STHU and bite the bullet. This should be an easy case to win, then file for sanctions, RICO, or whatever else to get back at the NY/DOJ legal slime machine. Enough of the drama already.
@Free Vulcan
Grow the bleep UP!
This nonsense is not going to convince the dedicated Republican OR Dim voters to change their votes.
It is directed at the "undecided voters" who these days seem to be the ones that decide who gets elected. They really don't pay much,if any,attention to anything other than the headlines until right before and election.
Trump is not guilty of these charges,and everybody that pays attention to politics knows what is going on,but we are really powerless to stop it. That has to be done by higher courts.
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Assuming this misdemeanor charge is filed, it really shouldn't survive a motion to dismiss. Then Trump should file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution against the Soros prosecutor.
@mountaineer
And then the left will virtually explode with newspaper and video articles about how "That rude rich man used his wealth to escape justice",and the hordes of casual voters will believe every word of it because "My tv doan lie ta me!"
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If you're going to make a statement, that's the exact kind of statement you make. It would be foolish for DeSantis to speak on the specifics of an indictment that hasn't even happened yet. But it is perfectly appropriate for him to go after the Soros-backed prosecutor on his own merits.
i.e.. When we have grownups in the role of Leadership.
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If this is truly just a figment of Trump's imagination then you have to really be in awe of the maddening genius of Trump's way of operating: do whatever it takes to keep yourself in the spotlight no matter what.
It's his thing. He's a one trick pony.
A chaos con with a victim con chaser... Every time.
I can't believe folks can't see it.
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@sneakypete
@Maj. Bill Martin
I know of no one demanding Miss DeSantis call in the NG.
Dude, that is literally the title of this thread, and is based on an article that quotes a Trump supporting radio host calling for DeSantis to call out the Guard.
I was just commenting directly on that.
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@sneakypete
Dude, that is literally the title of this thread, and is based on an article that quotes a Trump supporting radio host calling for DeSantis to call out the Guard.
I was just commenting directly on that.
@Maj. Bill Martin
That doesn't mean I have seen it anywhere else. I wrote I haven't seen it BECAUSE I haven't seen it.