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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on September 24, 2016, 10:42:28 pm
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September 24, 2016, 06:09 pm
Cruz: Trump hasn't apologized for personal insults
By Nikita Vladimirov
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on Saturday defended his decision to endorse Republican nominee Donald Trump even though Trump has not apologized for insulting Cruz's family.
"Heidi and my dad and I we talked about it and we made a decision together — that we are going to choose to forgive him," Cruz said during an interview with The Texas Tribune.
During their bitter primary fight, Trump posted an unflattering photo of Cruz's wife, threatening to "spill the beans" on her, and floated the conspiracy theory that Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
When asked if Trump has apologized to Cruz, the Texas senator said "he has not," even after private phone conversations in which Trump thanked Cruz for the endorsement.
Cruz said that he did not demand an apology as a condition for his endorsement because "at the end of the day it's not about me, it's not about my family, it's about the country."
"When I sat down with Mike Pence, when I talked with the campaign, I said, 'If you want my support what do I care about? I care about the Supreme Court, I care about the Bill of Rights.' "
"And so my ask was not a personal ask to apologize to my family. But it was ... 'give a commitment of something meaningful on the Supreme Court.' "
"My faith teaches to forgive with or without an apology," he added.
Throughout the hour-long interview, Cruz was asked if he stood by his criticisms of Trump and whether now believes Trump is qualified to be the President of the United States.
Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice" in the election and that Trump was better option for the country on the whole than Hillary Clinton.
Cruz on Friday endorsed Trump after telling the voters to "vote their conscience" during the Republican National Convention in July in what was seen as a major snub.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/297628-cruz-trump-hasnt-apologized-for-personal-insults
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Sorry to hear this..was hoping Trump apologized.... :nometalk:
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"Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice""
Yup. choose good or evil. Sorry Ted. you chose evil. You could have backed a conservative. there's one on the ballot. You sold out.
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Cruz just looks better in my estimation.
Trump should apologize - because this makes him look smaller.
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Cruz just looks better in my estimation.
Trump should apologize - because this makes him look smaller.
I agree....
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They had the same binary choice at the convention. So why now and not then?
Because as i often point out: there aren't enough good people left in America to fill Yankee Stadium.
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"Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice""
Yup. choose good or evil. Sorry Ted. you chose evil. You could have backed a conservative. there's one on the ballot. You sold out.
Anyone with a lick of sense knows that Cruz is right and Normie here is just blowing smoke up your tail pipe.
The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
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"Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice""
Yup. choose good or evil. Sorry Ted. you chose evil. You could have backed a conservative. there's one on the ballot. You sold out.
I respect Sen Cruz's decision, just as I respect all of those who choose to vote for the lessor of two evils. That's the way I've always voted, unfortunately.
And I suspect he will respect my decision to come to a different conclusion.
And when 2018 comes around I will be there again to support his campaign, as he has been one of the very few that went to DC and did what he promised he would do.
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Anyone with a lick of sense knows that Cruz is right and Normie here is just blowing smoke up your tail pipe.
The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
Side with a liberal, you are a liberal. Thats simply how it works in the real world. All the trump excuses arent ever gonna change Logic 101. Side with a liberal and YOU are the problem.
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Trump doesn't apologize. At this point, he no longer needs to. Insults, slander and bullying paid off. Why change from what works? Cruz will own some of the blame for what happens to Trump's future victims.
I know Cruz is taking heat for this and he was well aware that he would. Trump made some promises to him regarding various issues and especially the Court.
Cruz is also aware of what Trump's promises are worth, but I think, in the end, he decided there was some chance of good nominees and more favorable stands on other issues important to the country with Trump and none with Hillary.
I'm not disappointed at all. I think he knew this would not be a popular decision but did it for the good of the country ... or what he sincerely thought was the good of the country.
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Anyone with a lick of sense knows that Cruz is right and Normie here is just blowing smoke up your tail pipe.
The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
Wrong. The sellouts are people like you who chose a lifelong egomaniacal narcissistic NY Liberal Democrat to be your prince. The warriors are those choosing to stand on principle and support a bona-fide Conservative despite the overwhelming odds of sheeple demanding to chase their messiah over the cliff.
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Side with a liberal, you are a liberal. Thats simply how it works in the real world. All the trump excuses arent ever gonna change Logic 101. Side with a liberal and YOU are the problem.
So America is a communist, murdering, fascist country because we sided with Stalin to defeat Hitler. That logic 101?
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I know Cruz is taking heat for this and he was well aware that he would. Trump made some promises to him regarding various issues and especially the Court.
Cruz is also aware of what Trump's promises are worth, but I think, in the end, he decided there was some chance of good nominees and more favorable stands on other issues important to the country with Trump and none with Hillary.
I'm not disappointed at all. I think he knew this would not be a popular decision but did it for the good of the country ... or what he sincerely thought was the good of the country.
:beer: Right.
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So America is a communist, murdering, fascist country because we sided with Stalin to defeat Hitler. That logic 101?
We didn't need Stalin to defeat Hitler anymore than we needed Chiuaua's to defeat Japan.
Nuclear Weapons were developing. Hitler was losing the war.
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Cruz said that he did not demand an apology as a condition for his endorsement because "at the end of the day it's not about me, it's not about my family, it's about the country."
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At the end of the day he backed a man he called a liar to save his country? That is a piss poor way to save a country.
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Anyone with a lick of sense knows that Cruz is right and Normie here is just blowing smoke up your tail pipe.
The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
I'm not sitting this out. I hate 'em both, so I'm not voting for either.
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So America is a communist, murdering, fascist country because we sided with Stalin to defeat Hitler. That logic 101?
When you choose a lifelong megalomaniacal narcissistic NYC liberal Democrat Statist with a penchant for theatrics and promises of punishment and payback to be your leader, what do you think you will get in return?
It won't be a statesman that respects or follows the Constitution. That much I guarantee.
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Side with a liberal, you are a liberal. Thats simply how it works in the real world. All the trump excuses arent ever gonna change Logic 101. Side with a liberal and YOU are the problem.
Bitter suits you Norma...stay bitter my friend. :laugh:
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I know Cruz is taking heat for this and he was well aware that he would. Trump made some promises to him regarding various issues and especially the Court.
Cruz is also aware of what Trump's promises are worth, but I think, in the end, he decided there was some chance of good nominees and more favorable stands on other issues important to the country with Trump and none with Hillary.
I'm not disappointed at all. I think he knew this would not be a popular decision but did it for the good of the country ... or what he sincerely thought was the good of the country.
Cruz did this for himself and his own political future, just as he does everything else. If it's not good for Cruz, he could care less.
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Bitter suits you Norma...stay bitter my friend. :laugh:
You see bitter. I see the truth. Here. Vote for this guy. Hard to tell he isn't Trump...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4
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The warriors are those choosing to stand on principle and support a bona-fide Conservative despite the overwhelming odds of sheeple demanding to chase their messiah over the cliff.
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Be sure to use the right color crayons and daddy will hang your pretty picture on the fridge!
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Josh Barro @jbarro 4m4 minutes ago
If Trump wins, he promised Cruz he'll give him the jar with Cruz's testicles in it.
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Josh Barro @jbarro 4m4 minutes ago
If Trump wins, he promised Cruz he'll give him the jar with Cruz's testicles in it.
I stood in the breach for Palin on FR because she articulated conservative positions. Then she sold out for Trump.
I stood in the breach for Cruz because he articulated conservative positions. Then he sold them out for Trump.
Many of us did. But while Palin's support tanked after her sellout, and as Cruz' support is in the process of tanking for his sellout, conservatism isn't tanking with actual conservatives. Those of us still in the breach. We like it here. None of us will make any headlines for it and thats fine. There will be conservatism for our kids to carry on with long after the headlines are forgotten for Palin and Cruz.
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There will be conservatism for our kids to carry on with long after the headlines are forgotten for Palin and Cruz.
Step on up and get you some Genuine Conservatism!
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I stood in the breach for Palin on FR because she articulated conservative positions. Then she sold out for Trump.
I stood in the breach for Cruz because he articulated conservative positions. Then he sold them out for Trump.
Many of us did. But while Palin's support tanked after her sellout, and as Cruz' support is in the process of tanking for his sellout, conservatism isn't tanking with actual conservatives. Those of us still in the breach. We like it here. None of us will make any headlines for it and thats fine. There will be conservatism for our kids to carry on with long after the headlines are forgotten for Palin and Cruz.
Norm, I really don't think Cruz "sold out". His actions over the next few months will tell us if he did.
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Norm, I really don't think Cruz "sold out". His actions over the next few months will tell us if he did.
Sure he did. there is no other way to describe one day telling voters someone is no conservative and a pathological liar and the next, telling America to elect a liberal pathological liar. that is a 180 degree shift and that is a sellout by definition.
Hey, I liked him too, but facts are facts. WHY he did it matters not at all. He 'did' and thats all that matters. You cannot ever trust him again because he proved his words mean nothing. If he believed in the words he spoke, he's stick to them.
He didn't. Like it or not, and none of us do...but he sold out.
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Sure he did. there is no other way to describe one day telling voters someone is no conservative and a pathological liar and the next, telling America to elect a liberal pathological liar. that is a 180 degree shift and that is a sellout by definition.
Hey, I liked him too, but facts are facts. WHY he did it matters not at all. He 'did' and thats all that matters. You cannot ever trust him again because he proved his words mean nothing. If he believed in the words he spoke, he's stick to them.
He didn't. Like it or not, and none of us do...but he sold out.
To arrive at that conclusion, you have to minimize the threat that Hillary poses.
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That would be because real, actual Conservatism is funny to you liberals, and/or abhorrent.
Your gifs and pics and ridicule reveal who and what you really are.
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To arrive at that conclusion, you have to minimize the threat that Hillary poses.
Not at all.
If I tell you that Basset hounds can fly, it does not matter if Kanye west likes gold teeth. One has no bearing on the other or on the truth or fallacy of the other. Hillary can appear on stage with Lucifer in the flesh and it does not change the truth of whether Ted Cruz made a 180 turn. Hillary has nothing to do with whether or not donald trump is a liberal liar. Donald Trump does.
For Ted to reverse a rock solid statement position is a sellout regardless of Hillary. And to think that a man you (ted) called a liar is 'better' than some other liar, stil does not change the fact that the lesser evil arguement resulted in a lost election in 12 and a house and senate FILLED COMPLETELY with the lesser evils that gave Barry 100% of his big issues.
So any way you want to approach this, Ted's move was exactly the worst one possible.
Lost his base.
Empowered a liberal
Hurt the idea of principle mattering.
Hurt constervatism by further eroding the idea of standing on ones stated principles.
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Cruz just looks better in my estimation.
Trump should apologize - because this makes him look smaller.
Well said.
Trump is a small, vindictive, evil man.
I guess I should be happy he has reconfirmed why he disgusts me, but whether he wins or hillary we all lose.
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Well said.
Trump is a small, vindictive, evil man.
I know I shall whorship the ground Trump will be burried on.
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To disavow Cruz for his move yesterday, would be akin, IMO, to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bigger plans, forest through the trees, bigger picture, and all that. I think God has a plan and following Cruz these past few years, I believe he's more in tune with God and His plan, than people give him credit for.
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To disavow Cruz for his move yesterday, would be akin, IMO, to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bigger plans, forest through the trees, bigger picture, and all that. I think God has a plan and following Cruz these past few years, I believe he's more in tune with God and His plan, than people give him credit for.
And to condone it is to condone giving power to a liar and a liberal. Because Trump is a liar, a liberal and Cruz just gave him power/support. So if you think Gods plan is to empower liars then you and I worship two very different Gods.
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And to condone it is to condone giving power to a liar and a liberal. Because Trump is a liar, a liberal and Cruz just gave him power/support. So if you think Gods plan is to empower liars then you and I worship two very different Gods.
No, I just think there's a bigger picture at play here, and considering Cruz' track record, and how he does things, I believe he is not self-serving, as you are implying, but thinking about what's better for the country. That's why he dropped out of the race, because he knew the division him being in there was causing and he saw how it was tearing the country apart. He didn't want to be part of that.
His decision changes nothing. Trump isn't going to get any more votes. People aren't going to change their minds about voting for him, because Cruz is choosing to. I believe, as is Cruz' SOP, he's playing the long game.
We know this decision was because he was pressured. And his leverage of making a difference or doing good things in DC, has been blocked, because of this stupid thing. It sucks. But it's a game one has to play into, if they want to make a difference. It's not like he's out there, like all the others who have endorsed Trump, shilling for the man, and I doubt he would. I don't even believe he believes any of the reasons he gave for his vote. I think it was a pure political move, in order for him to continue his work to fight against the establishment, for the country.......for us.
And, you have to ask yourself, without Cruz doing what he does in the Senate, or being able to get anything done in the Senate, how does that help us or America? Wouldn't Cruz benefit all of us, if he was able to retain his position and at least some ability to move things in a good direction?
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No, I just think there's a bigger picture at play here,
No, there is no bigger picture than truth and lie, right and wrong. Period.
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Trump is not sorry for what he did. This will just encourage his horrible nature.
It's like a playground bully accepting apologies from the kids he tortures daily.
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To disavow Cruz for his move yesterday, would be akin, IMO, to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bigger plans, forest through the trees, bigger picture, and all that. I think God has a plan and following Cruz these past few years, I believe he's more in tune with God and His plan, than people give him credit for.
God's plan could very well be to destroy this country for its wickedness. He is the God that fouls the plans of nations.
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I believe, as is Cruz' SOP, he's playing the long game.
If what Cruz has done is 'playing the long game' - he lost, at least by me.
He too has been confounded by strong delusion apparently.
A harbinger of judgment to come upon this land.
Even if that judgment is stayed for a time -
I will not be entrusting Cruz with my support as any kind of standard-bearer for Conservatism in the future.
This entire system of government is wholly corrupted - and I want no part of it whatsoever.
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God's plan could very well be to destroy this country for its wickedness. He is the God that fouls the plans of nations.
I think that very well may be what's happening. Both major candidates are evil. They are both the "choice" of a large number of Americans to run the country, and they are both corrupt and vile human beings, both proud of their sin, and both revered by too large a segment of the population.
I believe in the Sovereignty of God; that He controls who leads nations.
And I believe He sometimes gives people their way in that He allows the election of evil, if people want evil........which this election proves many in America do.
But our free will is always subject to His Sovereign will, and as we watch America destroy itself, we know that it is within His will for us to do so.
I truly believe America's days are numbered. I would love to be more optimistic, but I think this election destroys all the optimism I once had for this country that I love.
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Wrong. The sellouts are people like you who chose a lifelong egomaniacal narcissistic NY Liberal Democrat to be your prince. The warriors are those choosing to stand on principle and support a bona-fide Conservative despite the overwhelming odds of sheeple demanding to chase their messiah over the cliff.
Trite talking points that only serve to inflame and sow discord.
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Trite talking points that only serve to inflame and sow discord.
Truth often does.
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To disavow Cruz for his move yesterday, would be akin, IMO, to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bigger plans, forest through the trees, bigger picture, and all that. I think God has a plan and following Cruz these past few years, I believe he's more in tune with God and His plan, than people give him credit for.
I agree with you. I think Ted risked the insults he knew he would get and the hate he would engender by making this decision. It only confirms my good opinion of him.
There are people who unaccountably hate Ted Cruz. There is no reason to hate Ted Cruz... they can only say he is a politician out for himself... when everything he has ever done has shown him to be a politician... yes ... but one out to support the constitution and conservative values.
Cruz haters cannot point to a single thing that he has done that wasn't principled. So spout hate, haters, but I still support Senator Cruz.
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I agree with you. I think Ted risked the insults he knew he would get and the hate he would engender by making this decision. It only confirms my good opinion of him.
There are people who unaccountably hate Ted Cruz. There is no reason to hate Ted Cruz... they can only say he is a politician out for himself... when everything he has ever done has shown him to be a politician... yes ... but one out to support the constitution and conservative values.
Cruz haters cannot point to a single thing that he has done that wasn't principled. So spout hate, haters, but I still support Senator Cruz.
I'm not a Cruz hater but I hate what he did here. And what he did here is the single thing he has done that was the definition of unprincipled.
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To disavow Cruz for his move yesterday, would be akin, IMO, to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bigger plans, forest through the trees, bigger picture, and all that. I think God has a plan and following Cruz these past few years, I believe he's more in tune with God and His plan, than people give him credit for.
If Cruz believes, as you do, that he's "listening to God," then I'm glad he didn't win the nomination.
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If Cruz believes, as you do, that he's "listening to God," then I'm glad he didn't win the nomination.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.
Proverbs 3:5-6
I will take someone who listens for God's direction in his life any day of the week over someone who does not.
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I'm a huge supporter of Ted Cruz and I believe he is the best friend that conservatives have in politics right now.
I will not vote for Trump but I respect Cruz's reasons for doing so. He knows Hillary backwards and forwards and he knows she will appoint Judges to the Supreme Court that will cause endless suffering for years to come ...
Trump gave Cruz some names he said he was considering, among them Mike Lee. I know, you know, and Cruz certainly knows that Trump cannot be trusted.
That being said, I think Cruz finally decided that we would have a better chance to getting good judges under Trump. A small chance, but a chance. There is no chance with Hillary.
He outlined the other issues that determined his decision. It must have been a hard pill for him to swallow to endorse the bloated baboon who had been so cruel to his family, but I think Ted Cruz put the country first when deciding this.
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I usually agree with you but not this time. This move was not principled and it rewarded vile behavior to stand with those who have bludgeoned Cruz and to betray those who have been loyal to him. If Cruz felt he needed to vote for Trump he could have done it silently. Instead he caved into the bullying and looks like a fool. The rest of us who are being insulted daily (to a much lesser degree) are now standing alone while Cruz tells us we too should vote for Trump. Hogwash! I will never do it.
It was summed up on the other thread. But selling out is going to supporting Donald Trump for any reason after saying the following:
"Ted Cruz:
I'm going to do something I haven't done for the entire campaign, for those of y'all who have traveled with me all across the country. I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump. This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And, in a pattern that I think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying.
He accuses everybody on that debate stage of lying, and it's simply a mindless yell. Whatever he does, he accuses everyone else of doing.
The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist. A narcissist at a level - I don't think this country's ever seen. Donald Trump is such a narcissist that Barack Obama looks at him and goes, "Dude, what's your problem?" Everything in Donald's world is about Donald.
And he combines being a pathological liar... and I say pathological because I actually think Donald, if you hooked him up to a lie detector test, he could say one thing in the morning, one thing at noon, and one thing in the evening, all contradictory, and he'd pass the lie detector test each time. Whatever lie he's telling at that minute, he believes it.
But the man is utterly amoral. [Reporter starts a question] Let, let me finish this, please. The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him. It's why he went after Heidi directly and smeared my wife. Attacked her. Apparently she's not pretty enough for Donald Trump. I may be biased but I think if he's making that allegation, he's also legally blind.
But Donald is a bully. You know, we just visited with fifth graders. Every one of us knew bullies in elementary school. Bullies don't come from strength, bullies come from weakness. Bullies come from a deep, yawning cavern of insecurity. There is a reason Donald builds giant buildings and puts his name on them everywhere he goes.
And I will say, there are millions of people in this country who are angry. They're angry at Washington, they're angry at politicians who have lied to them, I understand that anger. I share that anger. And Donald is cynically exploiting that anger, and he is lying to his supporters.
Donald will betray his supporters on every issue. If you care about immigration, Donald is laughing at you. And he's telling the moneyed elites that he doesn't believe what he's saying, he's not gonna build a wall - that's what he told the New York Times, he will betray you on every issue across the board."
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And THIS is the guy you will trust to keep his word about ANYTHING TED???? You sold out after saying this? So which Trump is 'true' Ted? Which YOU are 'true" for that matter because it's not clear.
Really? does anyone wonder why Cruz lost his base?
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Not at all.
If I tell you that Basset hounds can fly, it does not matter if Kanye west likes gold teeth. One has no bearing on the other or on the truth or fallacy of the other. Hillary can appear on stage with Lucifer in the flesh and it does not change the truth of whether Ted Cruz made a 180 turn. Hillary has nothing to do with whether or not donald trump is a liberal liar. Donald Trump does.
For Ted to reverse a rock solid statement position is a sellout regardless of Hillary. And to think that a man you (ted) called a liar is 'better' than some other liar, stil does not change the fact that the lesser evil arguement resulted in a lost election in 12 and a house and senate FILLED COMPLETELY with the lesser evils that gave Barry 100% of his big issues.
So any way you want to approach this, Ted's move was exactly the worst one possible.
Lost his base.
Empowered a liberal
Hurt the idea of principle mattering.
Hurt constervatism by further eroding the idea of standing on ones stated principles.
Aw, come on, Norm. Kanye and the noble basset hound may have no common nexus, but Hillary and Trump certainly do. While your argument is very impassioned, it just doesn't fly. Or, it flies like a basset hound.
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Aw, come on, Norm. Kanye and the noble basset hound may have no common nexus, but Hillary and Trump certainly do. While your argument is very impassioned, it just doesn't fly. Or, it flies like a basset hound.
The ears retract for supersonic flight. they are also a portable nuclear weapons platform
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/Snoppy02Homepage/basselope.html
And space based surveillance system (picture unavailable for security reasons apparently
But There is no part of my statement that is untrue.
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Nope, Here it is. "The Meese Piece"
https://books.google.com/books?id=g8xkCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=Basselope+the+meese+piece&source=bl&ots=XgPwBLk95G&sig=5RKbXA2VbAX0xS7Y38Jy6RMHFoA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuz9K2zanPAhVN2GMKHei1AS4Q6AEILjAC#v=onepage&q=Basselope%20the%20meese%20piece&f=false]
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The ears retract for supersonic flight. they are also a portable nuclear weapons platform
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/Snoppy02Homepage/basselope.html
And space based surveillance system (picture unavailable for security reasons apparently
But There is no part of my statement that is untrue.
This is all very factual.
I have photographs of the elusive basselope, as well.
Here are two:
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This is all very factual.
I have photographs of the elusive basselope, as well.
Here is just one:
(http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86972&d=1339759345)
(http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86955&d=1339727948)
My kid works with Lockheed and Pratt. The ugly secret is that the costs skyrocketed far beyond the $6.95 cost in the 80s.
What many don't realize is that you are looking at the source of delays in the F35 program. Retrofitting the antlers and the VR helmet the plane uses isn't going well. It'll take another $4,000,000,000 to sort out.
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The ears retract for supersonic flight. they are also a portable nuclear weapons platform
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/Snoppy02Homepage/basselope.html
And space based surveillance system (picture unavailable for security reasons apparently
But There is no part of my statement that is untrue.
Norm, we just disagree.
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Cruz's announcement that he would vote for The Donny did not even get a THANK YOU from the self absorbed one!!! this has not been addressed MUCH as yet!!
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Norm, we just disagree.
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Thats OK. I fully support your inalienable right as an American to be mistaken ;)
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Cruz's announcement that he would vote for The Donny did not even get a THANK YOU from the self absorbed one!!! this has not been addressed MUCH as yet!!
Probably because it's not remotely surprising to anyone.
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"Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice""
Yup. choose good or evil. Sorry Ted. you chose evil. You could have backed a conservative. there's one on the ballot. You sold out.
I agree, this move is totally absurd. During the Indiana primary, he made it clear that he knew Trump to be a dangerous nutcase, among other things. He has no excuse.
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I agree, this move is totally absurd. During the Indiana primary, he made it clear that he knew Trump to be a dangerous nutcase, among other things. He has no excuse.
Thats my 'pet peeve' with so called conservatives in positions of influence. And many really who claim to be a conservative. On one hand, they are standing there as icons of principle until election day...when they turn on a dime and back people they spent months or years calling the devil.
Principled? Nope. Fraudulent liars.
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He outlined the other issues that determined his decision. It must have been a hard pill for him to swallow to endorse the bloated baboon who had been so cruel to his family, but I think Ted Cruz put the country first when deciding this.
Making this evil, vindictive, corrupt, lying, perverted clown the most powerful person on Earth is not putting the country first. It's a curse on all of us.
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I agree, this move is totally absurd. During the Indiana primary, he made it clear that he knew Trump to be a dangerous nutcase, among other things. He has no excuse.
exactly
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The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
And what do they get, Don Pardo?
Sales require exchange.
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Thats my 'pet peeve' with so called conservatives in positions of influence. And many really who claim to be a conservative. On one hand, they are standing there as icons of principle until election day...when they turn on a dime and back people they spent months or years calling the devil.
Principled? Nope. Fraudulent liars.
Stop and thin, Norm. That is what has made those of us who vote based on principle and not personality who we are, to some degree.
Personalities have consistently disappointed. Principles remain steadfast.
The Founders knew this, and we are ever reminded, if we just pay attention. Too many people looking for Pokemon, or a free ride, or something this year.
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Norm, we just disagree.
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Who wrecked the Waco? Anyone you know?
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Stop and thin, Norm. That is what has made those of us who vote based on principle and not personality who we are, to some degree.
Personalities have consistently disappointed. Principles remain steadfast.
The Founders knew this, and we are ever reminded, if we just pay attention. Too many people looking for Pokemon, or a free ride, or something this year.
Oh I agree. Completely. I'd also add: "Too many people that think the founders were wrong."
Because as often as I bring it up to people making excuses for voting in evil, and as often as they avoid the issue, either the founders were wrong or they are. It just comes down to situational ethics. They FEEEEEElllllL that their situation is special, they deserve a star and that principle is something you can put on hold.
Of course they ALSO FEEEEEElllllLLLLLL that 'this election is just too dangerous/important/world altering". But they said that last time. And the time before. And every time they were smarter than the founders and put principle on hold.
Strangely, none of them seem aware that Washington and Co. put actual life on the line and some of them lost it. their families lost theirs. They lost everything and knowing that could happen did not deter any of them.
But these special snowflakes can't find the courage to vote anon in a booth. Gutless cowards. Every last one of them.
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Sorry to hear this..was hoping Trump apologized.... :nometalk:
Trump = POS
No other way to slice it.
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The sellouts are the ones sitting this fight out.
Nope . The sellouts are the ones supporting this loudmouth obnoxious NY liberal.
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Trump should apologize, a tweet or something would do it, Cruz was big enough to apologize for the multiple dirty tricks his campaign committed against Carson, Kasich and Rubio.
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I'd rather someone come out and insult me rather than waging a dirty campaign against me.
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I'd rather someone come out and insult me rather than waging a dirty campaign against me.
Okay. You are a poopy head for the way you keep insisting that Cruz ran a "dirty tricks" campaign. Done. :tongue2:
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Cruz may have just got Mike Lee on the court.
Binary choice indeed.
@don-o
Sorry to hear this..was hoping Trump apologized.... :nometalk:
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Cruz voting for Trump and we have at getting folks like Mike Lee on court. Versus Hillary putting more people on the court left of Ginsberg.
Plus Kelly Ann Conway has Trump on his A game.
Trump is a very easy vote.
@don-o
I'm a huge supporter of Ted Cruz and I believe he is the best friend that conservatives have in politics right now.
I will not vote for Trump but I respect Cruz's reasons for doing so. He knows Hillary backwards and forwards and he knows she will appoint Judges to the Supreme Court that will cause endless suffering for years to come ...
Trump gave Cruz some names he said he was considering, among them Mike Lee. I know, you know, and Cruz certainly knows that Trump cannot be trusted.
That being said, I think Cruz finally decided that we would have a better chance to getting good judges under Trump. A small chance, but a chance. There is no chance with Hillary.
He outlined the other issues that determined his decision. It must have been a hard pill for him to swallow to endorse the bloated baboon who had been so cruel to his family, but I think Ted Cruz put the country first when deciding this.
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Cruz may have just got Mike Lee on the court.
Binary choice indeed.
@don-o
@LonestarDream
Mike Lee says he has no interest in being on the Supreme Court and that it isn't going to happen.
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Cruz got something from Trump regarding SC. Hope Mike Lee changes his mind.
Thanks for the info. @don-o and I are looking forward to pushing the anthro board after the election.
Hope to see you all there.
@LonestarDream
Mike Lee says he has no interest in being on the Supreme Court and that it isn't going to happen.
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Cruz got something from Trump regarding SC. Hope Mike Lee changes his mind.
Thanks for the info. @don-o and I are looking forward to pushing the anthro board after the election.
Hope to see you all there.
Has Cruz ever indicated any desire to serve on the supreme court?
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Has Cruz ever indicated any desire to serve on the supreme court?
He says no--- wants to be either President or in the Senate.
Hope that he and Trump can now work together. There are a lot of problems.
When Cruz reads green eggs and ham-- Trump does him a solid and sends out good budgets etc.
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He says no--- wants to be either President or in the Senate.
Hope that he and Trump can now work together. There are a lot of problems.
When Cruz reads green eggs and ham-- Trump does him a solid and sends out good budgets etc.
What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
Wishful thinking being expressed with less coherence than a Dr. Seuss book.
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What does that mean?
Trump doing a 'solid' makes me think of the gold facilities...
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Green eggs and ham was about Cruz trying to stop funding of elements of Obama care and other bad funding elements.
Now imagine a world where Cruz is handed GOOD budgets, SC nominees and repeal of Obama Care and/or de-funding bills from President Trump.
Now the three lions of the Senate - Sessions, Cruz and Lee (and maybe even Scott and Rubio! )
Can use their energy to get the defunding must pass legislation through instead of using their energy to do rear guard actions to the next redoubt....
@don-o
What does that mean?
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Green eggs and ham was about Cruz trying to stop funding of elements of Obama care and other bad funding elements.
Now imagine a world where Cruz is handed GOOD budgets, SC nominees and repeal of Obama Care and/or de-funding bills from President Trump.
Now the three lions of the Senate - Sessions, Cruz and Lee (and maybe even Scott and Rubio! )
Can use their energy to get the defunding must pass legislation through instead of using their energy to do rear guard actions to the next redoubt....
@don-o
Ah, OK. In theory, that sounds good.
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Cruz voting for Trump and we have at getting folks like Mike Lee on court. Versus Hillary putting more people on the court left of Ginsberg.
Plus Kelly Ann Conway has Trump on his A game.
Trump is a very easy vote.
@don-o
I'm really tired of arguing about this, er, I mean discussing it.
I thought I was the only person who was Not mad at Cruz and it turns out I am ALMOST the only person.
But I think you are exactly right. Ted Cruz is focused on the Supreme Court. He's argued before it and he knows about how important it is in molding society. He also knows that's a travesty but there's nothing we can do about it for now.
Otherwise, the harm Hillary can do is bad but survivable. With the strain of running for president over, she might live four years or more but she is not an activist. She will be on the liberal side of issues as they come along but her main goal will be realized and she can sit back with Huma and whatever pills and beverages she enjoys.
Ted Cruz did this at great personal cost and he did it for the court.
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Green eggs and ham was about Cruz trying to stop funding of elements of Obama care and other bad funding elements.
Now imagine a world where Cruz is handed GOOD budgets, SC nominees and repeal of Obama Care and/or de-funding bills from President Trump.
Now the three lions of the Senate - Sessions, Cruz and Lee (and maybe even Scott and Rubio! )
Can use their energy to get the defunding must pass legislation through instead of using their energy to do rear guard actions to the next redoubt....
@don-o
Revenue measures don't originate in the White House, but the House of Representatives.
The Republican Party has had the ability to put together a budget all along. They have failed to do so. They have had the ability to de-fund as they please. If Obama won't sign off on the budget they hand him, shut it down.
Continuing Resolutions is no way to fund a Government, as the last 8 trillion dollars in debt attest.
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"Cruz answered by repeatedly stating that Americans have a "binary choice""
Yup. choose good or evil. Sorry Ted. you chose evil. You could have backed a conservative. there's one on the ballot. You sold out.
Only if that person qualified to be on the ballot in TX. Even at that, he is a MEMBER of the Senate...he's worried as hell about the Supreme Court as we should all be.
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Only if that person qualified to be on the ballot in TX. Even at that, he is a MEMBER of the Senate...he's worried as hell about the Supreme Court as we should all be.
If anyone actually 'worried' about the SC, they would not be empowering a lifetime liberal and documented liar. They would be casting their vote where their belief is. In a conservative.
Since we know that Trump told America to it;s face that anything he says prior to being in office is a 'negotiation', then his 'concession' to Cruz is as valid as a bucket of warm spit and ted is a complete fool for believing him. Especially after his "Let me tell you what I REALLY think of Donald Trump" speech.
So it's a logical conclusion that people genuinely concerned about the SC and honesty/kept promises arent going to cast their vote for "pathological liars". Regardless of what Democrat it is.
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If anyone actually 'worried' about the SC, they would not be empowering a lifetime liberal and documented liar. They would be casting their vote where their belief is. In a conservative.
Everyone knows there are only two outcomes in this election, Trump or Clinton.
Your vote will effect that outcome, so choose carefully.
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Everyone knows there are only two outcomes in this election, Trump or Clinton.
Your vote will effect that outcome, so choose carefully.
Neither. The result is on you.
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Everyone knows there are only two outcomes in this election, Trump or Clinton.
Your vote will effect that outcome, so choose carefully.
You chose poorly.
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Everyone knows there are only two outcomes in this election, Trump or Clinton.
Your vote will effect that outcome, so choose carefully.
I choose to stand with the founders. I'll vote for a conservative/constitutionalists. I'm sure I can find one to write in if need be. Myself for instance. You do what you like. Just don't complain when you're held to it. I won't.
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I choose to stand with the founders. I'll vote for a conservative/constitutionalists. I'm sure I can find one to write in if need be. Myself for instance. You do what you like. Just don't complain when you're held to it. I won't.
The only Constitutional Conservative that I know that is running is Castle. I don't know what state you live in nor do I know if Castle has made it onto the ballot in your state. IF he is not on the ballot or hasn't qualified as a write in candidate in your state and you write him in, that vote will NOT be counted. In other words it is a non-vote. If you write in yourself, unless you have qualified as a write in candidate, your vote will NOT be counted. It is certainly up to you. This is definitely not an easy election. Never as long as I've been voting do I ever remember things being this critical. I always thought I could write in ANY candidate and it would be counted instead of disqualified; I found out quite differently when I spoke to the Supervisor of Elections.
As Cruz stated ... do not stay home and vote your conscience which is exactly what he is doing. The only voters that I place judgement on are those that are eligible to vote and don't do so. Everyone has the right to vote their conscience and not be judged.
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The only Constitutional Conservative that I know that is running is Castle. I don't know what state you live in nor do I know if Castle has made it onto the ballot in your state. IF he is not on the ballot or hasn't qualified as a write in candidate in your state and you write him in, that vote will NOT be counted. In other words it is a non-vote. If you write in yourself, unless you have qualified as a write in candidate, your vote will NOT be counted. It is certainly up to you. This is definitely not an easy election. Never as long as I've been voting do I ever remember things being this critical. I always thought I could write in ANY candidate and it would be counted instead of disqualified; I found out quite differently when I spoke to the Supervisor of Elections.
As Cruz stated ... do not stay home and vote your conscience which is exactly what he is doing. The only voters that I place judgement on are those that are eligible to vote and don't do so. Everyone has the right to vote their conscience and not be judged.
Any vote for a non liberal is a plus. But there is no 'right' or should there be that a persons's vote can be cast without judgement. Thats like saying someone can rape without judgement. We most certainly can look at someone that votes for evil and judge it. And if more did that, AKA action and consequence, the world would be better for it.
You should absolutely be free to vote as your conscience dictates. But if you make that vote known, do not expect for a second you do it without any consequence. Thats never been the case, nor will it ever be. People that vote for evil will always be called on it.
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Norm, newsflash, it's a bit late to worry about that.
I understand what you are saying, and feel much the same way. However, my feelings will get us exactly nowhere, and it's time to face up to what we have, not what should be.
I am faced up fine. We have the option to vote for someone other than liberals. If you choose to vote liberal, you are responsible for what that liberal does. you put him there. Not me. I vote conservative. If you claim to believe in conservatism, you/everyone can join me or make excuses why you didn't.
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I am faced up fine. We have the option to vote for someone other than liberals. If you choose to vote liberal, you are responsible for what that liberal does. you put him there. Not me. I vote conservative. If you claim to believe in conservatism, you/everyone can join me or make excuses why you didn't.
You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
What a thoroughly shitty response. About what we've come to expect from you.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Says the one voting for a megalomaniacal egocentric lifelong NY Liberal Democrat running as a Republican who funded and campaigned for the Clintons, the Schumers and DeBlasio within the last 5 years.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
Oh really? Another subtle threat from the stormtooping legions of Trumpists?
Plan to swat us soon? Round us up? Hunt us down with dogs? Shoot us for treason?
You people and your prince are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberty than by any threat Hillary poses, and ten times more tyrannical.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
You'll have to excuse me for any typos.. Laughing and typing at the same time is hard for me.
Just so you know: If you think for a nanosecond that some online liberal lecturing me about 'being dealt with' invokes anything but laughter, you might wanna check your sense of self importance.
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Says the one voting for a megalomaniacal egocentric lifelong NY Liberal Democrat running as a Republican who funded and campaigned for the Clintons, the Schumers and DeBlasio within the last 5 years.
Oh really? Another subtle threat from the stormtooping legions of Trumpists?
Plan to swat us soon? Round us up? Hunt us down with dogs? Shoot us for treason?
If they do, AZ is a castle doctrine state. Thats something they should consider.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
Actually, I, too will vote my conscience. "conservatism' has become meaningless without a qualifier, so Constitutionalist, might be much more accurate. And you can't say I give Republicans a bad name, because I quit that Party.
Enough mosquitoes and you will need a transfusion, then there is the 'disease' you fear most. Not Zika, Malaria, Yellow Fever, West Nile, nor Dengue, no, instead it is thought outside your little box, where people aren't limited to terrible options and can sleep well at night knowing they will do their part to tear down those walls that constrain political thought and keep folks on the Uniparty Plantations.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
Sounds like a threat?
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Actually, I, too will vote my conscience. "conservatism' has become meaningless without a qualifier, so Constitutionalist, might be much more accurate. And you can't say I give Republicans a bad name, because I quit that Party.
Enough mosquitoes and you will need a transfusion, then there is the 'disease' you fear most. Not Zika, Malaria, Yellow Fever, West Nile, nor Dengue, no, instead it is thought outside your little box, where people aren't limited to terrible options and can sleep well at night knowing they will do their part to tear down those walls that constrain political thought and keep folks on the Uniparty Plantations.
I feel very clear of any responsibility for this mess of an "election". As far as I am concerned all of the people trying to move us New York liberal get what they deserve when the winner is announced. Either way its New York Values.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
You are soo cute pretending to be conservative, instead of an isolationist nationalist white only patriot. It is a little late to try and re-brand yourself after calling everybody a "cuckservative."
The scary thing is you have tainted mundane phrases like "American pride" and "shared heritage." I can't help but picture a mosh pit of combat boots and camouflage gear.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
Actually, I hold and your kind accountable for giving us the most liberal, obnoxious despicable GOP candidate in history. This is on your watch bud.
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You give conservatism a bad name with this poppycock.
Thankfully you're about as influential as a mosquito, and just as easily dealt with.
This IS a physical threat, and should be dealt with as such.
And it is not the first coming from the Trump militants on this forum.
It has to STOP!
@Mod1 @Mod2 @MOD3
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This IS a physical threat, and should be dealt with as such.
And it is not the first coming from the Trump militants on this forum.
It has to STOP!
@Mod1 @Mod2 @MOD3
Did you see the avalanche of Trump supporters here condemning this?
Me neither. Silence is consent/approval.
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Did you see the avalanche of Trump supporters here condemning this?
Me neither. Silence is consent/approval.
To think I was once on the same side as these people. This election has been a real epiphany.
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Sounds like a threat?
It is SOP for your standard Trump Militant. All puffed up like a banty rooster and as usefull as rubber lips on a woodpecker.
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To think I was once on the same side as these people. This election has been a real epiphany.
We've all made mistakes. The difference is some people are man enough to admit it.
Granny always said everyone has a purpose. some people's purpose is to serve as a warning to others. But at least they are all voting for the same guy so they arent hard to spot.
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To think I was once on the same side as these people. This election has been a real epiphany.
It has indeed. Masks have come off and facades have fallen.
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To think I was once on the same side as these people. This election has been a real epiphany.
Actually, they were only pretending to be on the "same side" as we are on, @skeeter.
The epiphany is that we now know how far left these former "colleagues" really were all along.
I don't believe that Donald Trump has turned them all rotten. I believe he has revealed the rottenness already within.
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Says the one voting for a megalomaniacal egocentric lifelong NY Liberal Democrat running as a Republican who funded and campaigned for the Clintons, the Schumers and DeBlasio within the last 5 years.
Oh really? Another subtle threat from the stormtooping legions of Trumpists?
Plan to swat us soon? Round us up? Hunt us down with dogs? Shoot us for treason?
You people and your prince are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberty than by any threat Hillary poses, and ten times more tyrannical.
Puhleeeze. They (#alwaystrump) couldn't swat their way out of a rice-paper bag! :silly:
Their false bravado and lame@ss threats are hilarious. Just as hilarious as their little tin god and con-artist The Don.