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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on July 07, 2020, 03:15:12 am
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Release of Mary Trump's tell-all book moved up to next week
By Morgan Chalfant - 07/06/20 01:15 PM EDT
The publisher of the tell-all book written by President Trump’s niece announced Monday that the memoir would be released two weeks earlier than expected as a result of “high demand and extraordinary interest.â€
The publisher, Simon & Schuster, said Monday that Mary Trump’s “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man,†would be published July 14 instead of July 28.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/506026-release-of-mary-trumps-tell-all-book-moved-up-to-next-week
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Doesn't the timing of these books, their deals, and their incentive clauses give you pause?
Then add timing, S & S political affiliation, and other motives?
You know I don't care for Trump either, but anyone who doesn't recognize an orchestrated character assasination has to open their eyes more.
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Doesn't the timing of these books, their deals, and their incentive clauses give you pause?
Then add timing, S & S political affiliation, and other motives?
You know I don't care for Trump either, but anyone who doesn't recognize an orchestrated character assasination has to open their eyes more.
Oh yes, it is apparent that they are trying to sway people away from a Donald Trump vote. Character assassination is only assassination if you are able to prove the information false and misleading. The problem isn't that people are writing books. Its that President Trump isn't the person that people want him to be.
I have always respected John Bolton. They are calling him a traitor, but lots of people who have been purged from Trumps Administration are talking. It might be horrible timing only because Trump is who they say and won't step down and let us vote for someone we can trust.
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Oh yes, it is apparent that they are trying to sway people away from a Donald Trump vote. Character assassination is only assassination if you are able to prove the information false and misleading. The problem isn't that people are writing books. Its that President Trump isn't the person that people want him to be.
I have always respected John Bolton. They are calling him a traitor, but lots of people who have been purged from Trumps Administration are talking. It might be horrible timing only because Trump is who they say and won't step down and let us vote for someone we can trust.
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Okay.... I'll play along. It's July 6th. Tell me EXACTLY who, and how this is supposed to take place, without disrupting the continuity of a campaign, and generating an internal shit storm, with all the infighting, and logistics nightmares. ESPECIALLY during two ongoing national emergencies.
And before you meniton Pence. (1) Trump with have to abdicate and (2). Pence is a good guy, and good VPOTUS, but do you think he can inspire the base, and moderates toward a November victory? I don't think so.
You know, after what Trump, Stone, and Pecker did to Cruz in '16.... I had a pretty strong hatred of the guy too. In fact I still don't like him at all. But, like Pete says, we aren't electing him as friend. I do want this country to survive, and anyone thinking this can be done without a unified conservative base, is just kidding themselves.
Do you also realize that dragging down Trump will have some coattail effects on the Senate. We could wake up November 4th with a full slate of dim POTUS, House, and Senate. Do you think that is a preferable choice to give AOC a 100 decible voice in power?
And these peripheral attacks from book deals, Lincoln Loggers, and other miscelanous swamp critters are doing their best to sabotage our future. Because the way I see it, The dims can finish us off once and for all 2020-2024.
And honestly, I don't want any part of that. And neither should you!!!!
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Okay.... I'll play along. It's July 6th. Tell me EXACTLY who, and how this is supposed to take place, without disrupting the continuity of a campaign, and generating an internal shit storm, with all the infighting, and logistics nightmares. ESPECIALLY during two ongoing national emergencies.
And before you meniton Pence. (1) Trump with have to abdicate and (2). Pence is a good guy, and good VPOTUS, but do you think he can inspire the base, and moderates toward a November victory? I don't think so.
You know, after what Trump, Stone, and Pecker did to Cruz in '16.... I had a pretty strong hatred of the guy too. In fact I still don't like him at all. But, like Pete says, we aren't electing him as friend. I do want this country to survive, and anyone thinking this can be done without a unified conservative base, is just kidding themselves.
Do you also realize that dragging down Trump will have some coattail effects on the Senate. We could wake up November 4th with a full slate of dim POTUS, House, and Senate. Do you think that is a preferable choice to give AOC a 100 decible voice in power?
And these peripheral attacks from book deals, Lincoln Loggers, and other miscelanous swamp critters are doing their best to sabotage our future. Because the way I see it, The dims can finish us off once and for all 2020-2024.
And honestly, I don't want any part of that. And neither should you!!!!
You can play, but not tell me what to do. Do it or don't do it. The Republican party has been on a suicide mission for years now. They are riding the Trump train over the edge. I see it as do or die right now. So just know that your train is ready to derail and you have chosen to stay aboard.
Perhaps it is too late. I don't know but Trump is going down. That's according to all current information available.
Personally there is not choice. No choice at all. Incompetence is foreign and domestic. Never thought I would see the day a President coddled Russia over our own military. Embrace extremist Islamic terrorist dictator Erdogan. Tout the biggest political failure in Prison reform First Act as violent criminals are released to commit more crimes on Americans.
He lies about everything and gives mixed messages. People have to come behind him as the clean up crew for his utter failures.
So, makes no difference to me. They could try to save the election. They probably won't.
Who? If Trump resigned I would vote for Pence of course unless he chose a total liberal for VP.
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Perhaps it is too late. I don't know but Trump is going down. That's according to all current information available.
You still gave no solutions. Crying doom and gloom is not a solution. Sitting in a burning house and lamenting about is not a solution.
Covince me what we need to do, or what needs to happen. I am open to suggestions.....
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You still gave no solutions. Crying doom and gloom is not a solution. Sitting in a burning house and lamenting about is not a solution.
Covince me what we need to do, or what needs to happen. I am open to suggestions.....
Trump would have to resign. Pence would have to take the lead. I will vote for him. I will not vote for Trump
Here is an example:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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15h
New York City and Chicago play the Sanctuary City card, where criminals are protected. Perhaps they will have to start changing their ways (and thinking!).
Yet...………………
Gangster Disciples boss Larry Hoover seeks break on prison time under law Kanye West championed
Two of the Chicago gang kingpin’s lieutenants already have been freed from prison under the First Step Act that the rapper famously urged President Donald Trump to sign.
By Frank Main and Jon Seidel Mar 20, 2020, 5:30am CDT
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/3/20/21184373/gangster-disciples-larry-hoover-prison-first-step-act-kanye-west-donald-trump (https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/3/20/21184373/gangster-disciples-larry-hoover-prison-first-step-act-kanye-west-donald-trump)
NY Criminals' Early Release Threatens Public Safety
https://www.newsmax.com/alfonsedamato/criminals-early-release-new-york-bail-reform-act/2019/12/16/id/946160/ (https://www.newsmax.com/alfonsedamato/criminals-early-release-new-york-bail-reform-act/2019/12/16/id/946160/)
New York Jailbreak Law to Free Suspects Accused of Manslaughter, Negligent Homicide, Child Sex Crimes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/18/new-york-jailbreak-law-to-free-suspects-accused-of-manslaughter-negligent-homicide-child-sex-crimes/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/18/new-york-jailbreak-law-to-free-suspects-accused-of-manslaughter-negligent-homicide-child-sex-crimes/)
Kanye West BLM
Trump is literally complaining about himself.
More specifically relating to Trumps tweet:
Immigration Enforcement Concerns Raised by the Bill
Title I Concerns. First, there is nothing prohibiting federal prisoners who are excludable or deportable aliens from participating in the recidivism reduction programs in Title I of the bill — which does address inadmissible or deportable aliens, but only to specify that they cannot accrue "good time" reductions; otherwise, except as noted below, they are indistinguishable from other prisoners for purposes of eligibility or participation.4
Second, though the bill specifically categorizes certain prisoners who may not participate in the programs, they are prohibited on the basis of the crimes for which they are incarcerated, and not on the basis of excludability or deportability under the immigration laws. This leads to some significant logistical and methodological flaws in the logic of the bill.5 Here are a few examples.
Prisoners who have been convicted of peonage/slavery/human trafficking laws are generally prohibited from participating in the reform programs (see line 23, p. 14 – line 2, p. 15) unless the convictions were for violations of:
18 U.S.C. Section 1592, which has to do with unlawfully holding or destroying passports or identity documents with the intention of keeping an individual in a state of bondage. Some of the more egregious cases of bondage prosecuted by U.S. attorneys in recent years have been of wealthy individuals, often aliens themselves, who hold their foreign servants or employees hostage and in conditions of peonage by keeping their passports, among other things.6 Yet such individuals, if convicted only under this statute, would be entitled to enter such "recidivist reduction" programs.
18 U.S.C. Section 1593A, which has to do with persons who profit from peonage, slavery, or trafficking in humans. Why should acting as a middle-man slaver and trafficker who profits from moving victims into bondage not on its face be a disqualifier, particularly given the active involvement of alien cartel and transnational gang members who operate on both sides of the Mexico-U.S. Border?7
18 U.S.C. Section 1594, which involves attempts or conspiracies to engage in criminal acts of peonage, slavery, and trafficking — including for offenses that would themselves be a cause for disqualification. Does it make sense that one who attempts or conspires to violate such a law would be entitled to participate in these prisoner "reform" programs?
18 U.S.C. Section 1596, which authorizes extraterritorial jurisdiction for federal peonage, slavery, and human trafficking offenses. It defies logic that such individuals should be entitled to preferential participation in recidivist reduction and other programs.
All of these specific exclusions from the disqualifying offenses, which leave the offenders (including deportable and excludable aliens) free to participate in reduction programs, are both puzzling and troubling.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/booker-jayapal-immigrant-detainees-coronavirus-first-act/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/booker-jayapal-immigrant-detainees-coronavirus-first-act/)
Trump is a sanctuary for illegal alien prisoners. Sad. And he follows up during COVID by having AG Bar determine that prisons can use their discretion on releasing criminals to keep them from getting COVID.
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You still gave no solutions. Crying doom and gloom is not a solution. Sitting in a burning house and lamenting about is not a solution.
Covince me what we need to do, or what needs to happen. I am open to suggestions.....
Honestly, we need a miracle.
It is a major mess with no end in sight. If Trump were the solution it would be getting solved now.
The bottom line is, if there are not enough people to say enough is enough as it is and push back hard then critical mass is well past the chain reaction point of no return.
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Trump would have to resign. Pence would have to take the lead. I will vote for him. I will not vote for Trump
Honestly, under the present election dynamics you think Pence could beat Biden?
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Honestly, under the present election dynamics you think Pence could beat Biden?
Actually I think both candidates are greatly disliked. I think someone sane that is likable could walk away with it.
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Honestly, under the present election dynamics you think Pence could beat Biden?
Trump can't. He's losing voters every day.
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Actually I think both candidates are greatly disliked. I think someone sane that is likable could walk away with it.
Key word Sane. And the Kushner's would have to be out.
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Actually I think both candidates are greatly disliked. I think someone sane that is likable could walk away with it.
I totally agree.
Btw, the book is selling like hot cakes on Amazon.
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Trump would have to resign. Pence would have to take the lead. I will vote for him. I will not vote for Trump
Here is an example:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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15h
New York City and Chicago play the Sanctuary City card, where criminals are protected. Perhaps they will have to start changing their ways (and thinking!).
Yet...………………
Gangster Disciples boss Larry Hoover seeks break on prison time under law Kanye West championed
Two of the Chicago gang kingpin’s lieutenants already have been freed from prison under the First Step Act that the rapper famously urged President Donald Trump to sign.
By Frank Main and Jon Seidel Mar 20, 2020, 5:30am CDT
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/3/20/21184373/gangster-disciples-larry-hoover-prison-first-step-act-kanye-west-donald-trump (https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/3/20/21184373/gangster-disciples-larry-hoover-prison-first-step-act-kanye-west-donald-trump)
NY Criminals' Early Release Threatens Public Safety
https://www.newsmax.com/alfonsedamato/criminals-early-release-new-york-bail-reform-act/2019/12/16/id/946160/ (https://www.newsmax.com/alfonsedamato/criminals-early-release-new-york-bail-reform-act/2019/12/16/id/946160/)
New York Jailbreak Law to Free Suspects Accused of Manslaughter, Negligent Homicide, Child Sex Crimes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/18/new-york-jailbreak-law-to-free-suspects-accused-of-manslaughter-negligent-homicide-child-sex-crimes/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/18/new-york-jailbreak-law-to-free-suspects-accused-of-manslaughter-negligent-homicide-child-sex-crimes/)
Kanye West BLM
Trump is literally complaining about himself.
More specifically relating to Trumps tweet:
Immigration Enforcement Concerns Raised by the Bill
Title I Concerns. First, there is nothing prohibiting federal prisoners who are excludable or deportable aliens from participating in the recidivism reduction programs in Title I of the bill — which does address inadmissible or deportable aliens, but only to specify that they cannot accrue "good time" reductions; otherwise, except as noted below, they are indistinguishable from other prisoners for purposes of eligibility or participation.4
Second, though the bill specifically categorizes certain prisoners who may not participate in the programs, they are prohibited on the basis of the crimes for which they are incarcerated, and not on the basis of excludability or deportability under the immigration laws. This leads to some significant logistical and methodological flaws in the logic of the bill.5 Here are a few examples.
Prisoners who have been convicted of peonage/slavery/human trafficking laws are generally prohibited from participating in the reform programs (see line 23, p. 14 – line 2, p. 15) unless the convictions were for violations of:
18 U.S.C. Section 1592, which has to do with unlawfully holding or destroying passports or identity documents with the intention of keeping an individual in a state of bondage. Some of the more egregious cases of bondage prosecuted by U.S. attorneys in recent years have been of wealthy individuals, often aliens themselves, who hold their foreign servants or employees hostage and in conditions of peonage by keeping their passports, among other things.6 Yet such individuals, if convicted only under this statute, would be entitled to enter such "recidivist reduction" programs.
18 U.S.C. Section 1593A, which has to do with persons who profit from peonage, slavery, or trafficking in humans. Why should acting as a middle-man slaver and trafficker who profits from moving victims into bondage not on its face be a disqualifier, particularly given the active involvement of alien cartel and transnational gang members who operate on both sides of the Mexico-U.S. Border?7
18 U.S.C. Section 1594, which involves attempts or conspiracies to engage in criminal acts of peonage, slavery, and trafficking — including for offenses that would themselves be a cause for disqualification. Does it make sense that one who attempts or conspires to violate such a law would be entitled to participate in these prisoner "reform" programs?
18 U.S.C. Section 1596, which authorizes extraterritorial jurisdiction for federal peonage, slavery, and human trafficking offenses. It defies logic that such individuals should be entitled to preferential participation in recidivist reduction and other programs.
All of these specific exclusions from the disqualifying offenses, which leave the offenders (including deportable and excludable aliens) free to participate in reduction programs, are both puzzling and troubling.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/booker-jayapal-immigrant-detainees-coronavirus-first-act/ (https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/booker-jayapal-immigrant-detainees-coronavirus-first-act/)
Trump is a sanctuary for illegal alien prisoners. Sad. And he follows up during COVID by having AG Bar determine that prisons can use their discretion on releasing criminals to keep them from getting COVID.
The unfortunate aspect of being regular people is we get to be the guinea pigs for their social experiments
Too many in office on both sides believe the way to the hearts and minds of black voters is to appeal to the criminal element
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I totally agree.
Btw, the book is selling like hot cakes on Amazon.
I am going to buy it.
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:yawn2: :yawn2: Trump-Bashing thread # 532,698 ...... :yawn2: :yawn2:
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The unfortunate aspect of being regular people is we get to be the guinea pigs for their social experiments
Too many in office on both sides believe the way to the hearts and minds of black voters is to appeal to the criminal element
Absolutely in the biggest way. Trump did exactly what the left has done for them for years. Pandered to the criminals that make their lives hell. I don't know how Trump could call himself "law and order". It isn't apparent to me either how he can pretend that this program has worked.
Now the bitter truth. After Kanye West claims Christianity and initially came out with the video of "heavenly" sounding music there has been a drastic change. Kanye is admitting he was MAGA to get Black Prisoners released. Now he has a Satanic video called "washed in the blood" is obvious now that the blood isn't Jesus blood. It a Yeezy Black blood. A BLM cultic style religion based on Kanye's vision of black blood being spilled in the streets.
Trump sold out to BLM when he had Kanye West to the White House.
https://www.complex.com/music/2020/06/kanye-west-wash-us-in-the-blood-video-new-song-travis-scott (https://www.complex.com/music/2020/06/kanye-west-wash-us-in-the-blood-video-new-song-travis-scott)
Prison Reform was joining with the left to let criminals out of prison.
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I am going to buy it.
I can't wait to see you quoting from it, as if it were some sort of authoritative source we can't make fun of.
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I am going to buy it.
We know you hate Trump, probably more than Biden. BTW, I still didn't hear what i felt was an alternative scenario to DJT. Pence, as good of a guy that he is, is not the answer.
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I am going to buy it.
9999what
I think this breaking news needs its own thread. 888blackhat
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I can't wait to see you quoting from it, as if it were some sort of authoritative source we can't make fun of.
She's making up the quotes as I type. :laugh:
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Her publisher couldn’t come up with a more hyperbolic title? It’s missing words like Hitler, disembowel and nuclear war. Those guys at Simon & Schuster are slipping.
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I have always respected John Bolton. They are calling him a traitor, but lots of people who have been purged from Trumps Administration are talking. It might be horrible timing only because Trump is who they say and won't step down and let us vote for someone we can trust.
Despite the incessant negative reporting by the MSM (98%)...going on FIVE YEARS 24/7/365
1) He turned around and has provided the nation the best economy seen in eons.
2) Despite a 'manufactured' bio-weapon named COVID-19, ruining that "best economy in eons"...we STILL never reached the disastrous economic HIGH WATER MARK of the 'Manchurian', President Barack Obama's 8 years
3) He inflicted a terrible pain on the Chinese economy with long-awaited tariffs on the ridiculous trade imbalances..which IMO gave birth to the COVID-19 pandemic for the 2020 election.
@Chosen Daughter
Serious question. Why don't you grow up?
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“We Got Him Nowâ€
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Big red headlines on Drudge: Trump abused by his dad. Niece exposes dynasty. Sister called him a clown "I had to take Donald down". My, my, my. How is being abused by a parent and being called a clown by a sibling supposed to be ammunition against Trump? Where is all the juicy stuff?
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Democratic Underground has one or more threads about the supposed contents/claims of the book. :pop41:
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:yawn2: :yawn2: Trump-Bashing thread # 532,698 ...... :yawn2: :yawn2:
Exactly....and why should I believe Mary Trump?
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I could write an un-complimentary book about my family. They were just plain folks who had lots of quirks and could be very cruel at times. None of my family members have gone into politics nor are any in the public eye. I guess the gravy train has passed me by.
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Exactly....and why should I believe Mary Trump?
I will even give her everything she wrote is true. So what? It’s not like Trump hasn’t been tested in office. I’m not afraid he’s gonna blow up the planet or fire up the ovens. We’ve seen the good and the bad of Trump and frankly the bad wasn’t so bad and the good rocked!
Four more years! (Eight would be more adequate for the task ahead, but I’ll take the four)
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I will even give her everything she wrote is true. So what? It’s not like Trump hasn’t been tested in office. I’m not afraid he’s gonna blow up the planet or fire up the ovens. We’ve seen the good and the bad of Trump and frankly the bad wasn’t so bad and the good rocked!
Four more years! (Eight would be more adequate for the task ahead, but I’ll take the four)
Considering Bill Clinton was 2 to 3 times the psycopath Trump is, where were all the "Tell All" Books going into his second term. If they were written, they sure didn't get any traction with the press.
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I could write an un-complimentary book about my family. They were just plain folks who had lots of quirks and could be very cruel at times. None of my family members have gone into politics nor are any in the public eye. I guess the gravy train has passed me by.
Also realize the ghost ridden / edited pieces of garbage can be written or worded to make Mother Teresa look like Charles Manson.
Sell books? Make it as sorid as possible.
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I will even give her everything she wrote is true. So what? It’s not like Trump hasn’t been tested in office. I’m not afraid he’s gonna blow up the planet or fire up the ovens. We’ve seen the good and the bad of Trump and frankly the bad wasn’t so bad and the good rocked!
Four more years! (Eight would be more adequate for the task ahead, but I’ll take the four)
Part of me thinks he should get 8 more years, the rats & their media stole a good chunk of what should’ve been his first four with their BS investigations and bogus impeachment.
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Since Mary the Lesser is the keeper of all Trump family secrets, she must know her father's alcoholic history and its role in his death. I'm rather surprised this genius doesn't know she is ripe for the same end and six packs are her kryptonite.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/24/18/30012936-8456165-image-m-108_1593019070514.jpg)
And, yes, behind the mask pointing-up is Mary the Lesser pointing-down in June of this year ~~
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/25/00/30012332-8456165-President_Donald_Trump_s_niece_whose_tell_all_book_promises_to_b-a-1_1593041800116.jpg)
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Part of me thinks he should get 8 more years, the rats & their media stole a good chunk of what should’ve been his first four with their BS investigations and bogus impeachment.
I think a good argument could be made
But, if they won’t give him the full eight years they should at least pay the American people restitution for lost wages (missed out from the potential rising salaries under an unfettered Trump economy), and they should also pay the Trump family for the pain and suffering they caused and the slander of reputations for the 4 years of lies.
:silly:
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Honestly, under the present election dynamics you think Pence could beat Biden?
Ever heard the saying "Nice guys finish last (or not at all)?". There's your answer.
And that is exactly what the unhinged idiot left is counting on.
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Ever heard the saying "Nice guys finish last (or not at all)?". There's your answer.
And that is exactly what the unhinged idiot left is counting on.
The Left would make ground beef of Pence. Cooked well.
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Exactly....and why should I believe Mary Trump?
Oh come on! Why 'wouldn't' you believe someone like this.......
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/24/18/30013718-0-image-a-120_1593020465463.jpg)
Looka lika dyke, to me! 888mouth
I find it ironic that the name of her book more perfectly describes her and her brother, who sued their relatives back in 2000 over $$$ re: Fred Trump Sr.'s will. Apparently what they got in the will was never enough. Just more typical leftie projecting.
Mary and her brother Fred Trump III (totally casual name) sued their aunts and uncles—including Donald—back in 2000, disputing the handling of their grandfather Fred Trump Sr.’s will.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a32904797/donald-trump-niece-mary-trump/ (https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a32904797/donald-trump-niece-mary-trump/)
Add to that the fact that she violated a Nondisclosure legal document that she voluntarily signed... and now she has the nerve to call Trump a liar and cheater? Typical.
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The Left would make ground beef of Pence. Cooked well.
I like him and respect him. He's a good guy... a good Christian. But right now we need much more than just a "good guy". We need someone with nads, courage and resolve. We need a warrior. Pence would, I fear, just turn the other cheek.
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Oh come on! Why 'wouldn't' you believe someone like this.......
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/24/18/30013718-0-image-a-120_1593020465463.jpg)
Looka lika dyke, to me! 888mouth
I find it ironic that the name of her book more perfectly describes her and her brother, who sued their relatives back in 2000 over $$$ re: Fred Trump Sr.'s will. Apparently what they got in the will was never enough. Just more typical leftie projecting.
Add to that the fact that she violated a Nondisclosure legal document that she voluntarily signed... and now she has the nerve to call Trump a liar and cheater? Typical.
How do you know she violated a NDA? It matters what the NDA was about and not about.
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I like him and respect him. He's a good guy... a good Christian. But right now we need much more than just a "good guy". We need someone with nads, courage and resolve. We need a warrior. Pence would, I fear, just turn the other cheek.
I'm a no-go on Pence. I like him a lot, but the Agnostics hate his guts.
(http://www.dnjournal.com/images/lowdown/bigstock2/bigstock-no-sale-280.jpg)
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How do you know she violated a NDA? It matters what the NDA was about and not about.
Because I believe Trump over her. Mostly because I already know that she's a gdamned liar based on what she put in her "book". Hyperbolic leftist BS (lies).
“In this revelatory, authoritative portrait of Donald J. Trump and the toxic family that made him, Mary L. Trump, a trained clinical psychologist and Donald’s only niece, shines a bright light on the dark history of their family in order to explain how her uncle became the man who now threatens the world’s health, economic security, and social fabric,†a description for the book reads.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/trump-says-niece-mary-is-violating-nda-with-tell-all-book/
There is someone (a lot of someones) that is threatening the world's health, economic security and social fabric all right. But it sure as hell isn't Trump. It's the flaming aholes on the left that she is helping and probably 'getting paid' by.
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I could write an un-complimentary book about my family. They were just plain folks who had lots of quirks and could be very cruel at times. None of my family members have gone into politics nor are any in the public eye. I guess the gravy train has passed me by.
Mt thoughts exactly. Why oh why didn't I have someone in politics in my family that I could tattle on and make a ton money?
It's nor fair I tell ya.
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Mt thoughts exactly. Why oh why didn't I have someone in politics in my family that I could tattle on and make a ton money?
It's nor fair I tell ya.
You should apply for Reparations.
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You should apply for Reparations.
Hmmm 888bravo I didn't think of that. I have a friend of a second cousin twice removed that is a lawyer. Think I'll give him a call. :laugh:
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Fred SR. did not want Fred Jr. in the will as, he had been supported by Fred SR..and the rest of Trump family most of his life. FRED JR. was an alcoholic, who died from his alcoholism. FRED JR. was not providing for his family. Fred jr., part of the family, Mary, is spouting sour grapes. They DID give FRED jr. family some money, AGAIN, but still not enough for these parasites.
Anyone who has an ADDICT in the family knows, how they go through money, steal from family. Lie, say anything, promise anything to get money for their habit.
Mary is airing all the family dirty laundry. Most of us know what that is, as we have lived our OWN dirty laundry. That is despicable in this time of our nation, hanging by a thread. That, to me, is pure evil. DISGUSTING.
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The Left would make ground beef of Pence. Cooked well.
Pence is part of deep state.
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I can't wait to see you quoting from it, as if it were some sort of authoritative source we can't make fun of.
Based on the leaks and what we already know about Trump it wouldn't be anything I haven't already said.
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Pence is part of deep state.
ooophoto
Someone should frame this one so we don't forget how extremist @LegalAmerican is. To suggest the VP of the United States is deep state. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump starts tweeting it to Q.
ooophoto
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Since Mary the Lesser is the keeper of all Trump family secrets, she must know her father's alcoholic history and its role in his death. I'm rather surprised this genius doesn't know she is ripe for the same end and six packs are her kryptonite.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/24/18/30012936-8456165-image-m-108_1593019070514.jpg)
And, yes, behind the mask pointing-up is Mary the Lesser pointing-down in June of this year ~~
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/25/00/30012332-8456165-President_Donald_Trump_s_niece_whose_tell_all_book_promises_to_b-a-1_1593041800116.jpg)
Charming...huh? Looks very, man-ish. Does she say, she is lesbian in the book? OR that she has a drinking problem?
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Since Mary the Lesser is the keeper of all Trump family secrets, she must know her father's alcoholic history and its role in his death. I'm rather surprised this genius doesn't know she is ripe for the same end and six packs are her kryptonite.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/24/18/30012936-8456165-image-m-108_1593019070514.jpg)
And, yes, behind the mask pointing-up is Mary the Lesser pointing-down in June of this year ~~
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/25/00/30012332-8456165-President_Donald_Trump_s_niece_whose_tell_all_book_promises_to_b-a-1_1593041800116.jpg)
Yeah go for it @Right_in_Virginia. I am sure you don't want to offend the TBR members that brought home that bottle tonight, or the six pack, twelve pack. I would be willing to bet nearly everyone has a beer every once in awhile.
She's an alcoholic. Look!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! she is carrying a 6 pack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh, my goodness @Right_in_Virginia I think that Eric Trump and Donald Jr. must be alcoholics.
WISH YOU WERE BEER Donald Trump’s sons pull pints of Guinness as they go on a pub crawl in Ireland
Olga Cronin
6 Jun 2019, 3:35Updated: 6 Jun 2019, 3:47
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9233473/donald-trump-ireland-sons-donald-jr-eric-trump-pub-crawl/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9233473/donald-trump-ireland-sons-donald-jr-eric-trump-pub-crawl/)
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This book plus $1.75 will get you a small cup of coffee.
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This book plus $1.75 will get you a small cup of coffee.
Medium cup at 7-11 with the app card. :laugh:
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* Despite a 'manufactured' bio-weapon named COVID-19, ruining that "best economy in eons"...we STILL never reached the disastrous economic HIGH WATER MARK of the 'Manchurian', President Barack Obama's 8 years
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Hmm.......a eon is a unit of time equivalent to a billion years!
Instantly get back on your medication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* Despite a 'manufactured' bio-weapon named COVID-19, ruining that "best economy in eons"...we STILL never reached the disastrous economic HIGH WATER MARK of the 'Manchurian', President Barack Obama's 8 years
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Hmm.......a eon is a unit of time equivalent to a billion years!
Instantly get back on your medication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh...don't quit your day job.
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Oh, my goodness @Right_in_Virginia I think that Eric Trump and Donald Jr. must be alcoholics.
Why? Their father's healthy, you damn fool.
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Mary Trump (Trump's niece) writes a tell-all tale about Donald (her Uncle )
and Trump's Cultists go insane w/anger, fury, rage and venom.
* She's a liar cuz they know him soooooo much better. Why of course!
* She's an alcoholic, jus like her father.
Trump lost the popular vote to Hilarity by 3,000,000 votes!!!
Watch him lose this time to Bi-dodo by about 30,000,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah go for it @Right_in_Virginia. I am sure you don't want to offend the TBR members that brought home that bottle tonight, or the six pack, twelve pack. I would be willing to bet nearly everyone has a beer every once in awhile.
She's an alcoholic. Look!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! she is carrying a 6 pack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear God, you're ignorant @Chosen Daughter Here's a suggestion: since you understand so little of genetics, it's best to keep your mouth shut on the subject of alcoholism.
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Why? Their father's healthy, you damn fool.
Fred Trump was an alcoholic and that is why Donald's brother became an alcoholic?
:2popcorn:
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Fred Trump was an alcoholic and that is why Donald's brother became an alcoholic?
Could be. And this is why Mary-the-Lesser is genetically at risk for the same disease.
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Fred Trump was an alcoholic and that is why Donald's brother became an alcoholic?
:2popcorn:
Do you have something against alcoholics?
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Mary Trump (Trump's niece) writes a tell-all tale about Donald (her Uncle )
and Trump's Cultists go insane w/anger, fury, rage and venom.
* She's a liar cuz they know him soooooo much better. Why of course!
* She's an alcoholic, jus like her father.
Trump lost the popular vote to Hilarity by 3,000,000 votes!!!
Watch him lose this time to Bi-dodo by about 30,000,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And the Trumpers will have her Cruzified by the Month's End, is the Enquirer still published?
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Dear God, you're ignorant @Chosen Daughter Here's a suggestion: since you understand so little of genetics, it's best to keep your mouth shut on the subject of alcoholism.
:thumbsup:
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@Chosen Daughter may be many different things to each and all us @Right_in_Virginia but she deserves, as we all do and expect, not be insulted.
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Here he is telling us, what he tells his kids all the time. NO DRUGS, ALCOHOL, SMOKING. No none of his kids do anything nasty. GO TO 40: 30.... NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES....told his kids that since age 5!
DECEMBER 2014
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888smokin
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888smokin
You smoke? Did you know that is a form of mental illness? Many articles on it. SELF MEDICATING. Just like any other drug, that is used. Alcohol, drugs. Don't get mad at me. Just telling you what I have read.
Smoking and Mental Illness - A
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I have always respected John Bolton. They are calling him a traitor [...]
I find that to be telling too... Not long ago, Bolton was a Conservative Foreign Policy / Defense conservative with unimpeachable accreditation. Now suddenly he's a traitor. Totally doesn't track.
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You smoke? Did you know that is a form of mental illness? Many articles on it. SELF MEDICATING. Just like any other drug, that is used. Alcohol, drugs. Don't get mad at me. Just telling you what I have read.
Smoking and Mental Illness - A
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I admit I have thought about this before, but now it really seems probable. You are Donald Trumps other personality. We can add multiple personality disorder to narcissism.
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Here he is telling us, what he tells his kids all the time. NO DRUGS, ALCOHOL, SMOKING. No none of his kids do anything nasty. GO TO 40: 30.... NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES....told his kids that since age 5!
DECEMBER 2014
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'Once I got going it wasn't easy to stop me.' Don Jr. reveals he gave up alcohol because he 'didn't know how to drink in moderation' and feared 'warning signs' from his uncle Fred Trump's death at 42
Donald Trump Jr. revealed he gave up alcohol because he didn't know how to drink 'in moderation'
The president's eldest son opens up on his family's history with alcoholism in his new book, Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us
The 41-year-old explains he partied his 'a** off' in college, but admits: 'Once I got going, it wasn't easy to stop me'
The president himself has been vocal on his decision to be teetotal after the death of his brother Fred Trump Jr., who died of alcoholism age 42
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7651689/Donald-Trump-Jr-admits-no-longer-drinks-drink-moderation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7651689/Donald-Trump-Jr-admits-no-longer-drinks-drink-moderation.html)
Look, with Chosen Daughter who needs Mary?
And...……………...it seems airing family dirty laundry is a ……………...family thing. What they do.
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:laughingdog:
Daddy all I want to know is there aliens?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Don+Jr.+asks+if+there+are+aliens&docid=608051739900838860&mid=7BC414183A81A34C3FA67BC414183A81A34C3FA6&view=detail&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Don+Jr.+asks+if+there+are+aliens&docid=608051739900838860&mid=7BC414183A81A34C3FA67BC414183A81A34C3FA6&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)
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@Chosen Daughter may be many different things to each and all us @Right_in_Virginia but she deserves, as we all do and expect, not be insulted.
So do I @corbe ... Yet everything she posts is an insult to my intelligence and you're fine with that.
So, please, don't preach.
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Does anyone really change their mind after reading books like this or seeing these types of movies? Her book isn't going to change anyone's minds
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Here he is telling us, what he tells his kids all the time. NO DRUGS, ALCOHOL, SMOKING. No none of his kids do anything nasty. GO TO 40: 30.... NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES....told his kids that since age 5!
DECEMBER 2014
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I just watched a section of this video. Everyone should watch it. Tax abatement, playing the bankruptcy game.
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Does anyone really change their mind after reading books like this or seeing these types of movies? Her book isn't going to change anyone's minds
Sure wont change my mind.
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Sure wont change my mind.
That's what i mean. I don't think anyone who was already going to vote for Trump will have their minds changed by this book and the only people who will buy it are those that already are not voting for him
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Stop with the personal snipping and sniping.
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That's what i mean. I don't think anyone who was already going to vote for Trump will have their minds changed by this book and the only people who will buy it are those that already are not voting for him
And those who appreciate the continued commitment to excellent entertainment that The Trumps: Season 4 keeps providing.
Donald J. Trump, as advertised, is the master of quality programming. Along with the plot lines of impeachment, a pandemic, and unrivaled social unrest, this season has been a blast with all the gorgeous subplots: The Quarrelin' Conways, The Backstabbin' Bolton (and Sec. of Def, Chief of Staff, etc), The Lava Lake of Leaks, The Never Trump Niece, and now there is even a sordid Melania book coming out! Wow. Trump always finds ways to keep it fresh and inventive for the American people.
The Trumps makes up for my disappointment of being denied The Palins with their promise of drunken family brawls on the South Lawn and multiple baby daddy shenanigans.
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Don’t make uncle Rob “spill the beans†on you, Mary!
Uncle Rob has a walk-on role this season? YES!
By all means, Spill it!!! We do love a cliffhanger!
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That's what i mean. I don't think anyone who was already going to vote for Trump will have their minds changed by this book and the only people who will buy it are those that already are not voting for him
Mostly the ones that recognize he has mental problems and are curious what made him that way.
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Mostly the ones that recognize he has mental problems and are curious what made him that way.
Next week how about giving us a report of Biden's mental problems.
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Mostly the ones that recognize he has mental problems and are curious what made him that way.
Mental problems? What mental problems?
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Mental problems? What mental problems?
Only those not totally enamored with Trump can see there is something not quite right with a man spending so much time on Twitter bashing people he doesn't like and calls his perceived enemies childish names -- e.g. Slow Joe. IMHO, these seem to be the actions of someone whose emotional growth stopped at about age 10-12.
Of course, this is an armchair diagnosis, which doesn't prove anything. Trump and his supporters like to berate Biden for his gaffes and diagnose him as having dementia, but I believe Trump has his own issues. But we will never know because I doubt Trump will ever submit to a mental health evaluation.
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Isn't this special ....
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/08/14/30532404-8502229-image-a-5_1594215449967.jpg)
The image shows a photo of Mary's grandfather on the shelf behind her - a man she professes to
despise as well. The picture was taken in April 2017 when Mary visited the White House to celebrate the
80th birthday of her aunt Maryanne
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/08/14/30532404-8502229-image-m-4_1594215432429.jpg)
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Only those not totally enamored with Trump can see there is something not quite right with a man spending so much time on Twitter bashing people he doesn't like and calls his perceived enemies childish names -- e.g. Slow Joe. IMHO, these seem to be the actions of someone whose emotional growth stopped at about age 10-12.
Of course, this is an armchair diagnosis, which doesn't prove anything. Trump and his supporters like to berate Biden for his gaffes and diagnose him as having dementia, but I believe Trump has his own issues. But we will never know because I doubt Trump will ever submit to a mental health evaluation.
Oh, it can be seen, but......
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/r2d/images/8/87/Nobody-cares-spongebob-o.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150308133635)
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Oh, it can be seen, but......
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/r2d/images/8/87/Nobody-cares-spongebob-o.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150308133635)
LOL Perhaps that's true of the people who would vote for him no matter what. But being one of those outside that circle, I can say it does matter to many of us. Rather disturbing to me that if I were going to choose between two candidates from the two major parties in November, my choices are:
1. A man who is forgetful and known to be too frisky with those of the opposite sex, but who will work with his party to enact legislation that will destroy America; or
2. A malevolent man-child who acts like the schoolyard bully, who does nothing but bitch and moan, makes idle threats and blames others for his failures, but who, if re-elected but with the possible loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, will be signing that same legislation that will destroy America .
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LOL Perhaps that's true of the people who would vote for him no matter what. But being one of those outside that circle, I can say it does matter to many of us. Rather disturbing to me that if I were going to choose between two candidates from the two major parties in November, my choices are:
1. A man who is forgetful and known to be too frisky with those of the opposite sex, but who will work with his party to enact legislation that will destroy America; or
2. A malevolent man-child who acts like the schoolyard bully, who does nothing but bitch and moan, makes idle threats and blames others for his failures, but who, if re-elected but with the possible loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, will be signing that same legislation that will destroy America .
It's really something, ain't it? Who needs principles anyway?
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LOL Perhaps that's true of the people who would vote for him no matter what. But being one of those outside that circle, I can say it does matter to many of us. Rather disturbing to me that if I were going to choose between two candidates from the two major parties in November, my choices are:
1. A man who is forgetful and known to be too frisky with those of the opposite sex, but who will work with his party to enact legislation that will destroy America; or
2. A malevolent man-child who acts like the schoolyard bully, who does nothing but bitch and moan, makes idle threats and blames others for his failures, but who, if re-elected but with the possible loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, will be signing that same legislation that will destroy America .
You think YOU are well adjusted? We all have our faults. However, YOU are not a billionaire. YOU are not president of USA. YOU do not have an APPLEWOOD TOWER, YOU are not married to a High Fashion model. YOU do not have all gorgeous children, who do not smoke, do no drugs, nor drink alcohol. All are successful and even Hillary complimented, POTUS on his well raised children.
You think, someone who is this successful and his successful children, that there is some major problem? lol. LOOK AT YOURSLEF IN THE MIRROR. TRUMP ENVY! . WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
40;30. 2014 POTUS TALKS ABOUT TELLING HIS KIDS , 'NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES".
And POTUS has none of those bad habits either. YOU? His time is used, being productive. Does the work of 3 men. Sleeps only 4 hours a night, so he has 'extra' time. Works 100 hour weeks. Had a TV SERIES, WROTE BOOKS. YOU?
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2. A malevolent man-child who acts like the schoolyard bully, who does nothing but bitch and moan, makes idle threats and blames others for his failures, but who, if re-elected but with the possible loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, will be signing that same legislation that will destroy America .
You lost me with the second word. Trump is not malevolent. He has a good heart.
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You think YOU are well adjusted? We all have our faults. However, YOU are not a billionaire. YOU are not president of USA. YOU do not have an APPLEWOOD TOWER, YOU are not married to a High Fashion model. YOU do not have all gorgeous children, who do not smoke, do no drugs, nor drink alcohol. All are successful and even Hillary complimented, POTUS on his well raised children.
How incredibly shallow.
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You lost me with the second word. Trump is not malevolent. He has a good heart.
Wouldn't know it from the name calling and Twitter beatdowns he issues on an almost daily basis.
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LOL Perhaps that's true of the people who would vote for him no matter what. But being one of those outside that circle, I can say it does matter to many of us. Rather disturbing to me that if I were going to choose between two candidates from the two major parties in November, my choices are:
1. A man who is forgetful and known to be too frisky with those of the opposite sex, but who will work with his party to enact legislation that will destroy America; or
2. A malevolent man-child who acts like the schoolyard bully, who does nothing but bitch and moan, makes idle threats and blames others for his failures, but who, if re-elected but with the possible loss of both houses of congress to the Democrats, will be signing that same legislation that will destroy America .
The things you dislike so greatly are important if I'm looking for a pal, but I learnt a long time ago politicians are generally despicable people, and if that were a problem I would not vote for anybody for anything.
I just don't GAF if somebody in office is a "schoolhouse bully." News for ya: They all are. It's a prerequisite for the job.
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How incredibly shallow.
Thanks @roamer_1 I don't answer that poster or read its tirades. It is amusing though that this person thinks I'm jealous of Trump. Hardly. I don't have all the wealth he is reputed to have (and much of the time I think he's not as wealthy or successful as has been claimed), but I had and still have a close-knit, loving and nurturing family and longtime real friends, not people who just schmooze me to get whatever they want. For me those are far better than all the money in the world.
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Wouldn't know it from the name calling and Twitter beatdowns he issues on an almost daily basis.
You should know it from the countless acts of compassion he has demonstrated through his life in helping others overcome the obstacles in blocking their road to success. Donald Trump is a tragically flawed individual (as we all are), but deep down, he does have a good heart. And even though there are a lot of policies that I have disagreed with, his entire Presidency has been centered on one thing, helping Americans be more successful.
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Thanks @roamer_1 I don't answer that poster or read its tirades. It is amusing though that this person thinks I'm jealous of Trump. Hardly. I don't have all the wealth he is reputed to have (and much of the time I think he's not as wealthy or successful as has been claimed), but I had and still have a close-knit, loving and nurturing family and longtime real friends, not people who just schmooze me to get whatever they want. For me those are far better than all the money in the world.
That's right. We measure up our wealth in friends and family. We just had one helluva feast for the 4th, and as I was sitting there on that back porch, which has been our gathering place for all these decades, I actually had that notion - How very wealthy we are.
Monetary wealth and power fall on deaf ears here. I have painted houses, fixed things, and taken care of estates for folks like Tumpy. I know what they are, and by and large, they do not have my respect.
Especially somebody that would spend hard money on a golden toilet fit for the asses of kings. Tells me all I need to know about that guy, right there.
ENVY? Aw hell no! I want nothing that guy has. And I don't see how folks get stars in their eyes over it. It ain't even on my radar. WAY different value set.
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The things you dislike so greatly are important if I'm looking for a pal, but I learnt a long time ago politicians are generally despicable people, and if that were a problem I would not vote for anybody for anything.
I just don't GAF if somebody in office is a "schoolhouse bully." News for ya: They all are. It's a prerequisite for the job.
I judge everybody with one standard. No breaks for politicians.
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I judge everybody with one standard. No breaks for politicians.
I can certainly understand and respect that. I have yet to meet a politician I can like personally. It's why I'm not likely to run for anything, ever.
Oh, wait. My County Supervisor just stepped into the HQ, where I am at the moment. I like her, knew her for >20 years.
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I judge everybody with one standard. No breaks for politicians.
Well, children, get one standard and one for adults. I suppose the days of wanting our politicians to behave like Mr Smith goes to Washington are long gone.
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Well, children, get one standard and one for adults.
Well alright. Ill give you that...
I suppose the days of wanting our politicians to behave like Mr Smith goes to Washington are long gone.
Only because folks keep voting them in there. Happens every time. Then everybody whines and cries about all the RINOs.
Demand excellence. Demand a high standard. If enough of us do, you'll get what you vote for.
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Well alright. Ill give you that...
Only because folks keep voting them in there. Happens every time. Then everybody whines and cries about all the RINOs.
Demand excellence. Demand a high standard. If enough of us do, you'll get what you vote for.
@roamer_1
Or you can be like me...they all suck...and w/330M ppl, a whole shitload of whom are degenerate freeloaders, we’re definitely headed for civil war, so screw it Ill vote for the guy who at least gets it right once in a while
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@roamer_1
Or you can be like me...they all suck...and w/330M ppl, a whole shitload of whom are degenerate freeloaders, we’re definitely headed for civil war, so screw it Ill vote for the guy who at least gets it right once in a while
Even a broken clock is right twice a day... I require a higher standard. I want Contract With America again. I want '94 Congress... Nothing less.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day... I require a higher standard. I want Contract With America again. I want '94 Congress... Nothing less.
Heck, when the chips were down, even Gingrich sold out. I am a firm beleiver there is no such thing as an good honest politican.
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My County Supervisor just told me the radio station she does a show for is looking for people. I may have a gig coming.... :yowsa:
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Heck, when the chips were down, even Gingrich sold out. I am a firm beleiver there is no such thing as an good honest politican.
Gingrich caved to Clinton before he was Speaker for a year. I was grievously disappointed in him. Touting a "Contract With America" doesn't impress me in the least, because it's sounds too much like a campaign slogan, and those are the first promises politicians break.
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Heck, when the chips were down, even Gingrich sold out. I am a firm beleiver there is no such thing as an good honest politican.
Yep he did. But it was a long time coming - and that's when you get someone new.
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Gingrich caved to Clinton before he was Speaker for a year. I was grievously disappointed in him. Touting a "Contract With America" doesn't impress me in the least, because it's sounds too much like a campaign slogan, and those are the first promises politicians break.
They did em. At least the lion's share. That was the last time I was satisfied by Republican performance.
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They did em. At least the lion's share. That was the last time I was satisfied by Republican performance.
I'm the only perfect candidate I can agree with 100%, and I'm not running. Yet. rrthree
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If I recall correctly didn't they hound Gingrich out of the speakership because he wrote and sold a book about policy? They said he was profiting from his position, etc, etc... How quaint is that...
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My County Supervisor just told me the radio station she does a show for is looking for people. I may have a gig coming.... :yowsa:
Good luck. Hope it goes well.
I have a great radio sounding voice. My wife says it is a near blend of Sam Ellitot and Trace Adkins.
As far as particpating in a radio interview or program? That's a receipe for disaster. :cool:
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I'm the only perfect candidate I can agree with 100%, and I'm not running. Yet. rrthree
I ain't that unkind. Just principles. color inside them lines and I will vote for you forever.
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I have a great radio sounding voice. My wife says it is a near blend of Sam Ellitot and Trace Adkins.
The cows think I sing pretty good. :whistle:
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The cows think I sing pretty good. :whistle:
The cows would trample me...
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The cows would trample me...
A rush to throw their panties on the stage? :laugh:
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If I recall correctly didn't they hound Gingrich out of the speakership because he wrote and sold a book about policy? They said he was profiting from his position, etc, etc... How quaint is that...
Did the same to Tom Delay... Tied him up in a legal monkey-knot and wrecked him. Years later, fully exonerated, but way too late. His political career was done. I was far sorrier to see him go than I was Gingrich.
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A rush to throw their panties on the stage? :laugh:
That'd be an udderly revolting development ****drummer (rimshot)
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I'm the only perfect candidate I can agree with 100%, and I'm not running. Yet. rrthree
Wow! I'm not sure I agree with myself sometimes, ****drummer . rrthree yogi555
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That'd be an udderly revolting development ****drummer (rimshot)
:laugh: :beer:
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If I recall correctly didn't they hound Gingrich out of the speakership because he wrote and sold a book about policy? They said he was profiting from his position, etc, etc... How quaint is that...
Gingrich got hounded out of office because he was married and having an affair with that helmet-head he's married to today. It was his bad fortune he had just gotten Clinton impeached for lying about having an affair.
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Good luck. Hope it goes well.
I have a great radio sounding voice. My wife says it is a near blend of Sam Ellitot and Trace Adkins.
As far as particpating in a radio interview or program? That's a receipe for disaster. :cool:
I have the face for radio.... :laugh:
It was something I did earlier, in a past life. Actually did it for about 16 years. The pay sucked so I went into technology.
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I have the face for radio.... :laugh:
It was something I did earlier, in a past life. Actually did it for about 16 years. The pay sucked so I went into technology.
I hope you can do it, and enjoy it. From your time here, I know you will be the voice of reason, and even might lure over a few fence sitters over the sound waves.
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I hope you can do it, and enjoy it. From your time here, I know you will be the voice of reason, and even might lure over a few fence sitters over the sound waves.
Perhaps the Mod skill set learned here will serve me well doing that. Might also help me get a foot in the door for holding local office.
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Perhaps the Mod skill set learned here will serve me well doing that. Might also help me get a foot in the door for holding local office.
I almost got talked into that as retirement, community involvement via a Commissioner gig on our "MUD". Here in TX a "Municpal Utilty Distirct" .
Was willing to make it a go, until one of the other ones told me that being called in the middle of the night for "brown water" was not uncommon. I then said "No Thanks"
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Perhaps the Mod skill set learned here will serve me well doing that. Might also help me get a foot in the door for holding local office.
Screw that... Do the talk show. You'll influence a whole lot more people.
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Screw that... Do the talk show. You'll influence a whole lot more people.
I reckon I'll find out if any of it is worth the effort. Last time I did it I needed the income, and it was damned poor. So I left it in 1985 to work in the tech industry. Now that I'm retired maybe I can afford it now. :laugh:
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I reckon I'll find out if any of it is worth the effort. Last time I did it I needed the income, and it was damned poor. So I left it in 1985 to work in the tech industry. Now that I'm retired maybe I can afford it now. :laugh:
Not to mention the tech is SO much better. You could do the whole thing (with vid if you want) right from your home office in your underpants.
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Not to mention the tech is SO much better. You could do the whole thing (with vid if you want) right from your home office in your underpants.
True, and the underpants would be optional.
I'll probably use the Studio, though, for guests. They'd prefer I wear pants, I'm sure. I really don't now how likely a gig will be, I'll have to talk to the station Manager to see if it's a place I'd want to do my Cyber Liberty routine. I'll probably just use my real name, it's not a bad, unpronounceable one.
I just wonder how the business arrangement would be. Would I get paid by the station, or would I pay for a block of time, then sell my own ads?
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True, and the underpants would be optional.
EXCELLENT.
I'll probably use the Studio, though, for guests. They'd prefer I wear pants, I'm sure. I really don't now how likely a gig will be, I'll have to talk to the station Manager to see if it's a place I'd want to do my Cyber Liberty routine. I'll probably just use my real name, it's not a bad, unpronounceable one.
I just wonder how the business arrangement would be. Would I get paid by the station, or would I pay for a block of time, then sell my own ads?
Depends upon how many you can bring in.... I would do vid, and I would retain rights to Youtube, while letting them embed youtube in their site. for free.
Depending upon your content if you can get big views and subs, monetizing will make any wage/advert from the station a pittance.
If you are creative, youtube is where it's at.
What is your idea for content?
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And those who appreciate the continued commitment to excellent entertainment that The Trumps: Season 4 keeps providing.
Donald J. Trump, as advertised, is the master of quality programming. Along with the plot lines of impeachment, a pandemic, and unrivaled social unrest, this season has been a blast with all the gorgeous subplots: The Quarrelin' Conways, The Backstabbin' Bolton (and Sec. of Def, Chief of Staff, etc), The Lava Lake of Leaks, The Never Trump Niece, and now there is even a sordid Melania book coming out! Wow. Trump always finds ways to keep it fresh and inventive for the American people.
The Trumps makes up for my disappointment of being denied The Palins with their promise of drunken family brawls on the South Lawn and multiple baby daddy shenanigans.
Don't forget the Kanye West show.
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EXCELLENT.
Depends upon how many you can bring in.... I would do vid, and I would retain rights to Youtube, while letting them embed youtube in their site. for free.
Depending upon your content if you can get big views and subs, monetizing will make any wage/advert from the station a pittance.
If you are creative, youtube is where it's at.
What is your idea for content?
The same as my persona here. Constitutional conservative, it's who I am. Probably carrying my Ruger on my hip. I wonder if I'd need to book my own guests? My friend Hildy can tell me more about it. I've always wanted to do it, but I just don't know if I have the chops for it. It's like trying to do a regular newspaper column, it's a Hell of a step up from writing letters to the editor.
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Despite the incessant negative reporting by the MSM (98%)...going on FIVE YEARS 24/7/365
1) He turned around and has provided the nation the best economy seen in eons.
2) Despite a 'manufactured' bio-weapon named COVID-19, ruining that "best economy in eons"...we STILL never reached the disastrous economic HIGH WATER MARK of the 'Manchurian', President Barack Obama's 8 years
3) He inflicted a terrible pain on the Chinese economy with long-awaited tariffs on the ridiculous trade imbalances..which IMO gave birth to the COVID-19 pandemic for the 2020 election.
@Chosen Daughter
Serious question. Why don't you grow up?
888high58888. :yowsa:
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The same as my persona here. Constitutional conservative, it's who I am. Probably carrying my Ruger on my hip. I wonder if I'd need to book my own guests? My friend Hildy can tell me more about it. I've always wanted to do it, but I just don't know if I have the chops for it. It's like trying to do a regular newspaper column, it's a Hell of a step up from writing letters to the editor.
I was yelled at for not being on TOPIC......
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I was yelled at for not being on TOPIC......
I'd be doing a lot of yelling at myself. All y'all have been a great training ground.
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I'd be doing a lot of yelling at myself. All y'all have been a great training ground.
IMHO, I believe @LegalAmerican 's point is that you have spent the entire last page talking off-topic and have derailed the thread.
Seems like it's "Rules for me, but not for thee". ...but what the hell do I know, huh @Mod2 ? :pop41:
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IMHO, I believe @LegalAmerican 's point is that you have spent the entire last page talking off-topic and have derailed the thread.
Seems like it's "Rules for me, but not for thee". ...but what the hell do I know, huh @Mod2 ? :pop41:
I derailed it? Excuse me, but just how far afield we've come here, anyway? I'll refrain from talking about a gig, though. The Gig economy is in for a rough ride.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Those tweets from Robert Trump make me think the whole family is whacked. I'd rather spend an evening with a pack of jackals than the Trump family. They may be rich in money, but there is no love.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Those tweets from Robert Trump make me think the whole family is whacked. I'd rather spend an evening with a pack of jackals than the Trump family. They may be rich in money, but there is no love.
Those tweets were TWEEEEEET ugly. And the accusations about the drug is unverified. But it is the Trump way to lie about people.
Donald and Robert are complaining about Mary airing dirty laundry but Donald has been airing about his brother at least since 2016. Using his alcoholism to make himself the "moral" one. And Don Jr. wrote a book too, recently airing about his Uncle. Its the Trump way.
They deserve what what they get. I hope there is something about Robert in there too, because he doesn't seem like a nice fellow.
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Those tweets were TWEEEEEET ugly. And the accusations about the drug is unverified. But it is the Trump way to lie about people.
Donald and Robert are complaining about Mary airing dirty laundry but Donald has been airing about his brother at least since 2016. Using his alcoholism to make himself the "moral" one. And Don Jr. wrote a book too, recently airing about his Uncle. Its the Trump way.
They deserve what what they get. I hope there is something about Robert in there too, because he doesn't seem like a nice fellow.
In one of my law firm jobs, I worked for an attorney who had two cases, both involving family members pitted against each other over sizeable estates. The BS these people hurled against each other was both funny and tragic. It's said that money is the root of all evil. I don't know about that, but it's a shame that so many wealthy people can have just about everything they want, except loving families and friends who care about them, not about their money. Maybe I should be grateful I'm not rich and never will be. There isn't any money for anyone to fight over.
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I’ve seen families fight over inheritance when the body is still warm. It’s disgusting.
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In one of my law firm jobs, I worked for an attorney who had two cases, both involving family members pitted against each other over sizeable estates. The BS these people hurled against each other was both funny and tragic. It's said that money is the root of all evil. I don't know about that, but it's a shame that so many wealthy people can have just about everything they want, except loving families and friends who care about them, not about their money. Maybe I should be grateful I'm not rich and never will be. There isn't any money for anyone to fight over.
@Applewood, was one of them Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce? It's probably still ongoing ... 333cleo
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Big red headlines on Drudge: Trump abused by his dad. Niece exposes dynasty. Sister called him a clown "I had to take Donald down". My, my, my. How is being abused by a parent and being called a clown by a sibling supposed to be ammunition against Trump? Where is all the juicy stuff?
Chosen Daughter giggles.
You don't even have to be a fly on the wall at the White House to see there is more to the story. I saw a clip of the president when he thought the mice was off. It was hilarious. The guy is like a child in an old mans body.
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Chosen Daughter giggles.
You don't even have to be a fly on the wall at the White House to see there is more to the story. I saw a clip of the president when he thought the mice was off. It was hilarious. The guy is like a child in an old mans body.
Trump had better watch his ass, or Chosen Daughter might not vote for him. *****rollingeyes*****
(referring to yourself in the 3rd person is ill.)
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Trump had better watch his ass, or Chosen Daughter might not vote for him. *****rollingeyes*****
(referring to yourself in the 3rd person is ill.)
CD is also oblivous to the fact that ghost writers liberaly and rampantly exaggerate and outright lie to improve books sales.
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(referring to yourself in the 3rd person is ill.)
Maybe she is channelling her inner Bob Dole.
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Maybe she is channelling her inner Bob Dole.
At least he had a reasonable explanation. "It gets the name out there."
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@Applewood, was one of them Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce? It's probably still ongoing ... 333cleo
LOL I had to refresh my memory about that fictional case. Did you know it was alluded to in the Anna Nicole Smith lawsuit against the estate of E. Howard Marshall, her elderly, wealthy husband? Seems Smith was cut out of the will and she sued. But the case dragged on for several years and in the interim, Smith died before it could be decided.
Jardynce is both funny and tragic in that the case went on so long, it was only when everyone involved went broke that the case finally ended.
The suits my boss was involved in ultimately did settle. Maybe the parties realized it was a good idea to work something out or they could end up like the parties in Jardynce v. Jardynce.
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LOL I had to refresh my memory about that fictional case. Did you know it was alluded to in the Anna Nicole Smith lawsuit against the estate of E. Howard Marshall, her elderly, wealthy husband? Seems Smith was cut out of the will and she sued. But the case dragged on for several years and in the interim, Smith died before it could be decided.
Jardynce is both funny and tragic in that the case went on so long, it was only when everyone involved went broke that the case finally ended.
The suits my boss was involved in ultimately did settle. Maybe the parties realized it was a good idea to work something out or they could end up like the parties in Jardynce v. Jardynce.
Jarndyce was at the center of Dickens' novel Bleak House. Dickens is one of my favorite fiction writers. Jarndyce "was" a contested will case whose costs ultimately consumed the estate, and the book is about the effects of the case on extended family members, some a generation younger than the original parties. One of the latter in particular was so obsessed with the case that his obsession consumed him - not unlike, I suspect, Mary Trump, though she doesn't seem likely to soon shuffle off this mortal coil.
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Big red headlines on Drudge: Trump abused by his dad. Niece exposes dynasty. Sister called him a clown "I had to take Donald down". My, my, my.
You would think that a child being abused by a parent would stir up empathy. Unfortunately, it has given some here cause to pile on.
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#Hoodat: you are correct. One would think hearing a child was abused would garner some sympathy. Haters are still going to hate and loyal fans will continue to be loyal. The jury is still out on middle of the road types.
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CD is also oblivous to the fact that ghost writers liberaly and rampantly exaggerate and outright lie to improve books sales.
Wouldn't that be justice? Imagine that! Someone lying about Donald instead of the other way around.
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You would think that a child being abused by a parent would stir up empathy. Unfortunately, it has given some here cause to pile on.
I have sympathy for Ivanka. She was made to look like a little whore in some of those modeling photographs. She couldn't have been much more than 15 or 16 and a couple of the photo's look like something Epstein would have.
And then her dad talked about her like a piece of meat on the Howard Stern Show.
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I see my last truthful post was removed about all of having done things in our childhood. I played doctor.
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Bump.
Book is out today. Anyone getting it? It’s number one on Amazon and Audible.
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Bump.
Book is out today. Anyone getting it? It’s number one on Amazon and Audible.
I know at least two people getting it on the first day of release.
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I know at least two people getting it on the first day of release.
I know one too.
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Doesn't the timing of these books, their deals, and their incentive clauses give you pause?
Then add timing, S & S political affiliation, and other motives?
You know I don't care for Trump either, but anyone who doesn't recognize an orchestrated character assasination has to open their eyes more.
@catfish1957
If Ray Charles were still alive,he would have to wear his darkest shades when looking at it to keep from going blinder.
Stuff like this is THE BEST reason to vote for Trump I can think of. ANYBODY that scares the globalist left this much CAN'T be bad,and he has them in a full-tilt panic to the point where they have their own candidate in a box to keep him out of trouble while they stick knives in Trump's back.
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Oh yes, it is apparent that they are trying to sway people away from a Donald Trump vote. Character assassination is only assassination if you are able to prove the information false and misleading. The problem isn't that people are writing books. Its that President Trump isn't the person that people want him to be.
@Chosen Daughter
Is being that petty and viscous painful?
If not,it should be.
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@Chosen Daughter
Is being that petty and viscous painful?
If not,it should be.
In my right mind, I can't see how any true conservative can buy this book. Really no need to feed the beast
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22222frying pan
Honestly, under the present election dynamics you think Pence could beat Biden?
@catfish1957 @Chosen Daughter
She not only doesn't care,she wants it to happen because she thinks Biblical Prophecy will come true,and Jesus will come back and make her a Moral Monitor.
You can NOT argue with crazy people,and she is maxed-out on insane.
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I can't wait to see you quoting from it, as if it were some sort of authoritative source we can't make fun of.
@Cyber Liberty
It will be second only to the Holy Bible in her mind.
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She's making up the quotes as I type. :laugh:
@Right_in_Virginia
No,she is not.
She is only doing and saying what the voice in her head,no doubt on a direct line from GAWD HISSELF,are telling her to do and say.
She is on a Mission from Gawd!
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Despite the incessant negative reporting by the MSM (98%)...going on FIVE YEARS 24/7/365
1) He turned around and has provided the nation the best economy seen in eons.
2) Despite a 'manufactured' bio-weapon named COVID-19, ruining that "best economy in eons"...we STILL never reached the disastrous economic HIGH WATER MARK of the 'Manchurian', President Barack Obama's 8 years
3) He inflicted a terrible pain on the Chinese economy with long-awaited tariffs on the ridiculous trade imbalances..which IMO gave birth to the COVID-19 pandemic for the 2020 election.
@Chosen Daughter
@DCPatriot
THERE it is!
Serious question. Why don't you grow up?
She is "on a mission from GAWD to punish evil men that like to have sex,sometimes with women they are not their wives.
If that means America has to fall and everyone in the world is reduced to being serfs to the Globalist Bankers,well,that's a small price to pay to please Gawd.
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TBR members are not the topic of this thread. End the personal stuff now!
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Cindy Adams: Trump’s niece is ‘drawing blood to make money’ with new book
Page Six, Jul 13, 2020
I know Donald more years than most people are alive. We met 1971. I’ve flown alongside him in his private jet when he was running hot. I’ve flown ahead of him in a cheapo domestic flight seat when he wasn’t running hot. I’ve flown on his helicopter with Roy Cohn. Been to his marriages, homes, hotels.
I know him.
Call it happenstance, serendipity, marriage, friendship, whatever — but for many years I’ve sat ringside and seen, heard and smelled it all. And I remember. This is to state — not what I feel, believe or think — what I know.
When Donald and Cohn were closer than Biden and his caregiver, I was there. Right there. I heard, I saw, I understood. I know when Donald’s sister Maryanne became a judge, Donald was supportive. Very supportive. Knowing Maryanne’s capabilities — Holyoke, Columbia, Hofstra grad — Roy was supportive. Very supportive. Maryanne moved into my Fifth Avenue building. She and I had dinners together. I saw her up front at her brother’s inaugural.
A new book by Donald’s nasty nobody nothing niece indicates Maryanne trashes him. When did this happen? I only know that I never witnessed her hostility or ingratitude.
What I’ve witnessed is that money, estates, inheritances, trusts and wills turn families evil. So, to make a buck you make a book. This is a vendetta written by a zero who’s scratching for 10 minutes of fame. Like Bolton, who can’t hold a job and wants to cash in, these losers are literary medics. Drawing blood to make money.
I seek no war with anyone. Not even with my friends, whom I love and love me, yet are so far left their cars won’t turn right. But I know what this unknown roach is creeping out to do, and I need to correct that which I know.
This niece’s need to get noticed got another item wrong. She paints ugliness between the president and his father she calls a “sociopath.†Let me tell you about that. Only once was Donald angry with me. Bitterly angry. Why? Because I had not attended the invitation to his father’s funeral. I remember his words: “You disrespected my father.â€
This isn’t her first rodeo. The family’s had to, and worked to, muzzle her before. So, forget her book. Wait for the movie.
https://pagesix.com/2020/07/13/cindy-adams-trumps-niece-is-drawing-blood-to-make-money-with-book/
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@Right_in_Virginia
Of course, Mary Trump wrote the book to make money. Most authors do. But it doesn't mean what she says in the book is untrue.
The one thing I object to in this book is that Miz Trump blames her uncle for her father's alcoholism and untimely death. I was once told by a recovering addict that addicts and alcoholics who continue to blame their condition on someone else will never recover. Only by taking responsibility for his or her own addiction can that person move on and become normal again. Looks to me like Fred Jr. didn't make an effort to deal squarely with his problem, so his continued troubles were of his own making.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Of course, Mary Trump wrote the book to make money. Most authors do. But it doesn't mean what she says in the book is untrue.
Neither does it make what she says in the book true. Motivation counts.
But, by all means buy the book and enjoy the tingles it gives you. Everyone deserves a little sunshine these days.
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Neither does it make what she says in the book true. Motivation counts.
But, by all means buy the book and enjoy the tingles it gives you. Everyone deserves a little sunshine these days.
I've never been one who enjoys watching people slip on banana peels... :shrug:
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Neither does it make what she says in the book true. Motivation counts.
But, by all means buy the book and enjoy the tingles it gives you. Everyone deserves a little sunshine these days.
I don't intend to buy the book. I said before, tell-all books are long on accusations and claims, but short on proof. And as I also said before, it appears the Trumps are not the kind of people I would want to get to know. I think I have a fairly good idea of what they are like just from observing the current president. Don't really need a book to enlighten me.
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Cindy Adams: Trump’s niece is ‘drawing blood to make money’ with new book
Page Six, Jul 13, 2020
And liberals are gullible enough to give it to her. She'll be sitting pretty in December after her uncle wins re-election, and the Trump-haters will be looking for the next outlet that validates their feelings.
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Doesn't the timing of these books, their deals, and their incentive clauses give you pause?
Then add timing, S & S political affiliation, and other motives?
You know I don't care for Trump either, but anyone who doesn't recognize an orchestrated character assassination has to open their eyes more.
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@Catfish you're on the mark,
yet it's not you nor I who need to be aware of this; IT'S TRUMP !
Instead he's oblivious which is why his enemies urinate on him hourly.
Repeating, far better the Ruler be feared rather than loved, yet Trump
is neither feared nor respected!
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Bump.
Book is out today. Anyone getting it? It’s number one on Amazon and Audible.
No.
I figure the MSM will give us all the low-down, even if it not in the book.........
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No.
I figure the MSM will give us all the low-down, even if it not in the book.........
I myself, and doing my damnest to keep money (best I can) away from pro-BLM corporations. Starve the race baiters the best we can,
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I've never been one who enjoys watching people slip on banana peels... :shrug:
Unless it’s Benny Hill. For some reason the song he plays is brilliant.
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Unless it’s Benny Hill. For some reason the song he plays is brilliant.
I think Oliver Hardy probably did the best banana peel.
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Oh come on! Why 'wouldn't' you believe someone like this.......
Looka lika dyke, to me! 888mouth
I find it ironic that the name of her book more perfectly describes her and her brother, who sued their relatives back in 2000 over $$$ re: Fred Trump Sr.'s will. Apparently what they got in the will was never enough. Just more typical leftie projecting.
Add to that the fact that she violated a Nondisclosure legal document that she voluntarily signed... and now she has the nerve to call Trump a liar and cheater? Typical.
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A timely adage says "Empty barrels make the most noise!"; that descriptive fits you perfectly.
The Will issue is in the public record as well as the Britannica.
Fred Trump Jr, Mary's father, was one of the few normal Trump's and wanted nothing to do
w/managing a gang of real estate shysters.
Instead he chose to fly commercial jet planes for which he became qualified.
Fred Sr. was furious w/uncontrolled anger, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed by an early death in 1981.
In 1990 Fred Sr. became afflicted w/Alzheimer's as well as Dementia.
At that point his daughter Mary and son Fred III, engaged a lawyer to represent their family
interests as they became aware that Fred Sr. had altered his will and withdrawn his son Fred J's
share of the family estate. The lawyer testified in Probate Court that the change was triggered
by pressure from Donald who played on the animosity Fred Sr. had for his son, while the father
was afflicted by Alzheimer's and Dementia. Over time a settlement was worked out and the matter quieted but the damage had been done.
So much for the 'stable genius' but his day of reckoning is fast approaching 100 days!!!!
In the meantime, let the Trump's cultists slander Mary all day long, as reality will not be erased.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Looks to me like Fred Jr. didn't make an effort to deal squarely with his problem, so his continued troubles were of his own making.
@Applewood
I have a hard time blaming him for that. He is not responsible for the chemical balance of his body,even if he IS responsible for getting drunk the second time.
Still,I have some relatives that can go a couple of years and not touch a drop,then one day drink ONE beer,and the next thing you know they are drinking the aftershave lotion from your medicine cabinet.
Sometimes people's problems are just bigger than they are,and that is a fight they never truly win even if they fight it every day.
It's genetics that causes additions,not choice,and I am grateful every day of my life that I was FORTUNATE enough to not have been born with an addictive personality.
So should everyone else that lucky.
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Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.
@Absalom
The biggest damn lie ever told! Why the HELL are your repeating it?Are you REALLY so freaking stupid you think someone can "give" someone else alcoholism or any other form of addiction?
If so,please admit it and I will back off.
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Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.
@Absalom
The biggest damn lie ever told! Why the HELL are your repeating it?Are you REALLY so freaking stupid you think someone can "give" someone else alcoholism or any other form of addiction?
If so,please admit it and I will back off.
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No cause for your ignorant and vulgar tantrum, even if you're "having another of those days."
My verb was led to, the same verb used in the public record; not "gave" as in transmitted.
No need to back off but you might consider getting a brain transplant.
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Fred Sr. was enraged, cursing and raging about his son which led to his alcoholism, followed
by an early death in 1981.
Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.
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Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.
Because in my own case, enjoying it too much.
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Because in my own case, enjoying it too much.
In my case, a perceived necessity to tolerate living. But I would never blame someone else as the cause for my actions. Not today, anyway.
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Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.
It takes strength of character to withstand life's struggles without giving in to the temptation of an addiction or a crutch such as drugs or alcohol. Some people have that strength. Others don't. Nobody "else" is to blame but that person. It's just that simple. And yeah, don't give me that crap that acoholism is passed down or inherited via the genes. It's BS. I speak from personal family experience. But that bit of BS has given the chronically weak a very convenient eternal excuse.
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It takes strength of character to withstand life's struggles without giving in to the temptation of an addiction or a crutch such as drugs or alcohol. Some people have that strength. Others don't. Nobody "else" is to blame but that person. It's just that simple. And yeah, don't give me that crap that acoholism is passed down or inherited via the genes. It's BS. I speak from personal family experience. But that bit of BS has given the chronically weak a very convenient eternal excuse.
Alcoholics and other addicts are the strongest willed people in existence. No one else would ever go through the lengths they go through. And yes, it is hereditary in a spiritual sense where the sins of the fathers are passed down to future generations. Addiction is a spiritual sickness built on dishonesty, close-mindedness, and unwillingness. And G-d is the only one who can change it.
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26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work.
Zoom meetings are not enough. Sober alcoholics need each other.
Many believe alcoholism is a disease of the mind, the body, and the spirit. (or if you must argue with the word disease, substitute "condition" or "disorder"
As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.
Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.
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26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work. ...
Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.
Impressive accomplishment --- Congratulations @truth_seeker :bighug:
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Alcoholics and other addicts are the strongest willed people in existence. No one else would ever go through the lengths they go through. And yes, it is hereditary in a spiritual sense where the sins of the fathers are passed down to future generations. Addiction is a spiritual sickness built on dishonesty, close-mindedness, and unwillingness. And G-d is the only one who can change it.
You mean generational sin curse?
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You are an inspiration @truth_seeker
99balloon
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@truth_seeker
:thumbsup:
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Unless it’s Benny Hill. For some reason the song he plays is brilliant.
Thanks a lot! Now that song is running through my head...lol.
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Thanks a lot! Now that song is running through my head...lol.
Yeah... but there's young ladies running around double time in their underpants too, so...
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Thanks a lot! Now that song is running through my head...lol.
You are in good company. It’s been in my head for days. Stupid song.
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26 1/2 continuous years of sobriety, the old fashioned AA way. 12 steps and 12 traditions, a lot of meetings and service work.
Zoom meetings are not enough. Sober alcoholics need each other.
Many believe alcoholism is a disease of the mind, the body, and the spirit. (or if you must argue with the word disease, substitute "condition" or "disorder"
As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.
Recovery is a gift, to be shared with others.
Congratulations on your sobriety. It shows your strength of character... and I'm betting you got some help from God, as well.
And no, I don't believe alcoholism is a "disease" any more than I believe that drug addiction is a disease. To me, a disease is something that you catch or contract, often times through no fault of your own. Drinking to excess (or taking drugs) is something that you choose to do. You have to make a choice to drink excessively or not to. And again, I have had two alcoholics in my family, including one ex-husband..... neither of which died from drinking, but from other causes not related to their alcoholism.
My grandfather started drinking when he lost everything in the stock market '29 crash. He chose to start drinking. Nobody forced him to. I guess it could have been worse. Many committed suicide back then. But just as it was back then, many people are now losing everything or have lost everything due to this stupid virus. And I'm betting that many are using this disaster as an excuse to drink to excess. As tempting as it may be....many remain strong, however. Strong enough to face life and all its trials.... head on.
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You mean generational sin curse?
I wouldn't use the word "curse".
See Numbers 14:18
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As such, many utilize the third step prayer, the serenity prayer, and prayer in general.
Sixth and seventh step prayers are also key.
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Sixth and seventh step prayers are also key.
do you have xxx with your wife? or pleasure yourself?
Drugs and alcohol have the same effects to the brain. They release chemicals that stimulate a person.
People get addicted to that stimulate.
Try not having xxx with the wife for a few years and see how you get on.
Infact give up sugar, coffee etc and see how that effects you, coffee is basically the definition of a drug.
People who are obese are addicted to food, are they godless as well?
Do you support trump? He is obese, and clearly addicted to food, is he godless?if so I am assuming you are not voting for this godless person.
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do you have xxx with your wife? or pleasure yourself?
Drugs and alcohol have the same effects to the brain. They release chemicals that stimulate a person.
People get addicted to that stimulate.
Try not having xxx with the wife for a few years and see how you get on.
Infact give up sugar, coffee etc and see how that effects you, coffee is basically the definition of a drug.
People who are obese are addicted to food, are they godless as well?
Do you support trump? He is obese, and clearly addicted to food, is he godless?if so I am assuming you are not voting for this godless person.
Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about? Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?
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Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about? Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?
No kidding... That was bizzare.
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Lol.... what the hell are you ranting about? Did someone touch a (personal) nerve there?
pretty much, my uncle died as an alcoholic. He went to church every Sunday.
He had personal circumstance, including going to war that effected his mind and he got ptsd. He used alcohol to run away but got addicted sadly. That wasn’t a choice, it was circumstance.
I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person. He died a few years ago.
Thanks.
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pretty much, my uncle died as an alcoholic. He went to church every Sunday.
He had personal circumstance, including going to war that effected his mind and he got ptsd. He used alcohol to run away but got addicted sadly. That wasn’t a choice, it was circumstance.
I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person. He died a few years ago.
Thanks.
Did your uncle die from alcoholism... or "with" it? Reason I ask is that I don't know anyone that is or was an alcoholic that has died from it.
I don't have the expertise to address PTSD, and being a military brat, I don't even want to go there. I know my dad was traumatized by war... since he refused to talk about it. But it didn't seem to have effected him mentally or emotionally. And he didn't drink.
No, strictly talking about the choice to drink to excess here. Let me explain. I have two close friends that would classify as alcoholics. When they start drinking, they have no "trigger" that tells them they've had too much. As a result, they get ....literally... falling down drunk. But neither of them have had any traumatic emotional issues in their lives to "justify" that choice.... if it could be justified.
And....the reason I take issue with that "inherited" theory is... my grandfather was an alcoholic. He had four kids... my mother, her younger brother.... and an older brother and sister. Both the older brother and sister drank to excess (ie alcoholics)... but my mother and her younger brother were not. In fact, my uncle never touched a drop. If it really was "inherited"... why didn't it effect all four of them?
That's why I consider drinking to excess (as a lifestyle) a choice. Family, friends, ex-husband... all CHOSE to do that. There was no trauma that caused them to. And as for the trauma of the stock market crash re: my grandfather... had he been a stronger person, he would have been able to handle that without resorting to alcohol.
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No cause for your ignorant and vulgar tantrum, even if you're "having another of those days."
My verb was led to, the same verb used in the public record; not "gave" as in transmitted.
No need to back off but you might consider getting a brain transplant.
@Absalom
With ALL possible due respect,ESAD.
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Drinking alcohol is what led to his alcoholism.
@Hoodat
True,but even more correct is someone with his genetic background drinking alcohol. If you are unfortunate to be born with the "wrong" genes,you have no problems UNTIL you get drunk the first time. That wakes up the monster sleeping within you,and you end up fighting a battle for the rest of your life.
Most of us are lucky enough to be able to take it or leave it,but not everybody.
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It takes strength of character to withstand life's struggles without giving in to the temptation of an addiction or a crutch such as drugs or alcohol. Some people have that strength. Others don't. Nobody "else" is to blame but that person. It's just that simple. And yeah, don't give me that crap that acoholism is passed down or inherited via the genes. It's BS. I speak from personal family experience. But that bit of BS has given the chronically weak a very convenient eternal excuse.
@XenaLee
It is. This does NOT mean you are destined to be a drunk and there is nothing you can do about it. It just means you can't drink alcohol,period. Not even a "social beer". Only YOU are in charge of,and responsible for that happening or not happening.
You might,or might not,want to discuss this with your mother.
Not that it really makes any difference. What is,is,and it's usually better to let sleeping dogs lie.
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This Topic is probably not a good one to get into the old "Nature vs Nurture" argument....
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This Topic is probably not a good one to get into the old "Nature vs Nurture" argument....
@Cyber Liberty
Well,it is true that "toes will be stepped on",but if not "Nature versus Nurture",then where?
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pretty much, my uncle died as an alcoholic. He went to church every Sunday.
He had personal circumstance, including going to war that effected his mind and he got ptsd. He used alcohol to run away but got addicted sadly. That wasn’t a choice, it was circumstance.
I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person. He died a few years ago.
Thanks.
I understand your points.
You offered discussion about the brain's pleasure mechanism. Dopamine, pleasure receptors etc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425246/#:~:text=The%20mesolimbic%20dopamine%20system%20has,pleasure%20generator%20in%20the%20brain.&text=Mesolimbic%20dopamine%20systems%20clearly%20do,as%20hedonic%20as%20once%20thought. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425246/#:~:text=The%20mesolimbic%20dopamine%20system%20has,pleasure%20generator%20in%20the%20brain.&text=Mesolimbic%20dopamine%20systems%20clearly%20do,as%20hedonic%20as%20once%20thought.)
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do you have xxx with your wife? or pleasure yourself?
Drugs and alcohol have the same effects to the brain. They release chemicals that stimulate a person.
People get addicted to that stimulate.
Try not having xxx with the wife for a few years and see how you get on.
Infact give up sugar, coffee etc and see how that effects you, coffee is basically the definition of a drug.
People who are obese are addicted to food, are they godless as well?
Do you support trump? He is obese, and clearly addicted to food, is he godless?if so I am assuming you are not voting for this godless person.
What does any of that have to do with the sixth and seventh step prayers?
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I dont like someone saying he is godless or is a bad person.
No one did.
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No one did.
I mentioned the "weakness in character" factor, but that does not equate to being godless or a bad person. Hell, everyone I know that is or was an alcholic were basically good people and Christians. Just... not strong enough to not need that crutch. My girlfriend in Houston would drink every time she got depressed about something... the exact wrong thing to do.
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I mentioned the "weakness in character" factor, but that does not equate to being godless or a bad person.
Alcoholism is not a "weakness in character". It is a weakness in molecular biochemistry. There is also a strong genetic component governing who will and will not become addicted to alcohol and this explains why some families are hit hard by this affliction and others skate above it. It has nothing to do with character.
Frankly, I'm pretty surprised to see"weakness in character" being debated in the 21st Century -- and on a forum with educated members.
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Alcoholism is not a "weakness in character". It is a weakness in molecular biochemistry. There is also a strong genetic component governing who will and will not become addicted to alcohol and this explains why some families are hit hard by this affliction and others skate above it. It has nothing to do with character.
Frankly, I'm pretty surprised to see"weakness in character" being debated in the 21st Century -- and on a forum with educated members.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you (of all people) are buying into that "victimization" bullshit (it isn't my fault, I inherited it.. it's in the genes!!! The genes made me take all those drinks!!!).
Oh wait...
maybe not so surprised after all.
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Frankly, I'm surprised that you (of all people) are buying into that "victimization" bullshit (it isn't my fault, I inherited it.. it's in the genes!!! The genes made me take all those drinks!!!).
No one is claiming victimization here. Alcoholics are responsible for their actions. And our brains are our worst enemies. It isn't a character issue. It is a spiritual one centered in self will.
Early in my recovery, someone told me that when faced with a decision, I should spend considerable time using my best thinking to determine what course of action to take. And then I should do the exact opposite. It turned out to be good advice, because when I was left in charge of my life, I would always make the wrong decision. It was only after I learned to trust G-d that things began to get better. I eventually learned that G-d was able to do for me what I was not able to do for myself. I realized that I did not have within me the capacity to let go of the bitterness, resentment, and other character defects that I had. So I confessed that and slowly gave each one over to G-d, placing my trust in Him to do what He wanted, not what I wanted. But I was never a victim. I consider it a blessing instead. Because without it, I may never have developed the relationship with the Father that I have now.
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No one is claiming victimization here. Alcoholics are responsible for their actions. And our brains are our worst enemies. It isn't a character issue. It is a spiritual one centered in self will.
Early in my recovery, someone told me that when faced with a decision, I should spend considerable time using my best thinking to determine what course of action to take. And then I should do the exact opposite. It turned out to be good advice, because when I was left in charge of my life, I would always make the wrong decision. It was only after I learned to trust G-d that things began to get better. I eventually learned that G-d was able to do for me what I was not able to do for myself. I realized that I did not have within me the capacity to let go of the bitterness, resentment, and other character defects that I had. So I confessed that and slowly gave each one over to G-d, placing my trust in Him to do what He wanted, not what I wanted. But I was never a victim. I consider it a blessing instead. Because without it, I may never have developed the relationship with the Father that I have now.
Self will.... based on strength of character. Those strong enough will "self will" themselves to not get addicted to alcohol... or to become un-addicted to alcohol. It's the same thing (to me) with drug addicts. It's not 'genetic'. Too many addicted folks had NOBODY in their family that had been addicts or alcoholics. And...if it was merely genetic ...my mother and uncle would also have been alcoholics. My ex and friends didn't have anyone in their family that were alcoholics that would "explain" why they were. Therefore, the only conclusion is that it was what they chose to do.
Where the spiritual part comes in... is asking for and getting God's help ... when one is not strong enough to kick a habit. At least, that's how I see it. So glad you asked for God's help. That was, quite literally, the first step in your recovery. 888high58888
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The willpower of an 'earth person' does not even compare to the willpower of an addict. There is no way a normal person could do what an addict can do. Try drinking a half-gallon of bourbon, and still showing up at work on time the next day. Try doing this five days in a row. You may not like where their willpower leads, but their character is much stronger than yours will ever be. They are driven, and they will not stop until they hit bottom. No weakness there.
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See, this is why I wanted us to leave the Nature vs Nurture discussion behind, so we can talk about this loser's book (which is the topic of this thread).
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I'm done. I should have remained silent.
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See, this is why I wanted us to leave the Nature vs Nurture discussion behind, so we can talk about this loser's book (which is the topic of this thread).
Well... since the author of the book blames Trump for his brother's alcoholism.... and since some here don't see the disconnect of acknowledging Trump's non-alcoholism.... yet positing that alcoholism is genetic (inherited)....
it just naturally progressed to that ""disconnect"". It it was really genetic, why doesn't Trump have it (the so-called disease). :whistle:
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Self will.... based on strength of character. Those strong enough will "self will" themselves to not get addicted to alcohol... or to become un-addicted to alcohol. It's the same thing (to me) with drug addicts. It's not 'genetic'. Too many addicted folks had NOBODY in their family that had been addicts or alcoholics. And...if it was merely genetic ...my mother and uncle would also have been alcoholics. My ex and friends didn't have anyone in their family that were alcoholics that would "explain" why they were. Therefore, the only conclusion is that it was what they chose to do.
Where the spiritual part comes in... is asking for and getting God's help ... when one is not strong enough to kick a habit. At least, that's how I see it. So glad you asked for God's help. That was, quite literally, the first step in your recovery. 888high58888
The foundation of AA is based in science and moral psychology (spirituality, religion, higher power, metaphysics) Doctors and pastors) Published in 1939, and standing the test of time until present.
I accept the knowledge therein, versus your opinion.
In my experience opinions like yours are often from a bitter spouse or relative. Do you really know very much about AA beliefs? The founders determined their own self will (will power, character,, etc) had not been enough.
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Well... since the author of the book blames Trump for his brother's alcoholism.... and since some here don't see the disconnect of acknowledging Trump's non-alcoholism.... yet positing that alcoholism is genetic (inherited)....
it just naturally progressed to that ""disconnect"". It it was really genetic, why doesn't Trump have it (the so-called disease). :whistle:
However, putting aside the question of alcoholism and hereditary—everyone seems set on that point—the research on brain chemistry is pretty clear concerning the neurobiology of alcohol addiction.
Neurotransmitters in alcoholism: A review of neurobiological and genetic studies
Niladri Banerjee
Additional article information
Abstract
Recent advances in the study of alcoholism have thrown light on the involvement of various neurotransmitters in the phenomenon of alcohol addiction. Various neurotransmitters have been implicated in alcohol addiction due to their imbalance in the brain, which could be either due to their excess activity or inhibition. This review paper aims to consolidate and to summarize some of the recent papers which have been published in this regard. The review paper will give an overview of the neurobiology of alcohol addiction, followed by detailed reviews of some of the recent papers published in the context of the genetics of alcohol addiction. Furthermore, the author hopes that the present text will be found useful to novices and experts alike in the field of neurotransmitters in alcoholism.
Good review:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4065474/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4065474/)
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I realize Mary's a bull dyke but I'll take one for the Team.
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No one is claiming victimization here. Alcoholics are responsible for their actions. And our brains are our worst enemies. It isn't a character issue. It is a spiritual one centered in self will.
Early in my recovery, someone told me that when faced with a decision, I should spend considerable time using my best thinking to determine what course of action to take. And then I should do the exact opposite. It turned out to be good advice, because when I was left in charge of my life, I would always make the wrong decision. It was only after I learned to trust G-d that things began to get better. I eventually learned that G-d was able to do for me what I was not able to do for myself. I realized that I did not have within me the capacity to let go of the bitterness, resentment, and other character defects that I had. So I confessed that and slowly gave each one over to G-d, placing my trust in Him to do what He wanted, not what I wanted. But I was never a victim. I consider it a blessing instead. Because without it, I may never have developed the relationship with the Father that I have now.
@Hoodat
If that worked for you,I am very happy for you.
NEVER argue with anything that works.
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Too many addicted folks had NOBODY in their family that had been addicts or alcoholics.
@XenaLee
Pray tell how you know what your grand-parents and great-grand-parts did? Other than for a brief period in the 30's,alcohol was never illegal in this country,and neither was opium,marijuana,or any other drug. You could order Laudanum from the Sears catalog by the gallon or case,and the mail man would deliver it.
Just because YOU don't know about it,doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Besides,humans are not robots. It is entirely possible everybody in your large family that you know BUT you are genetically predisposed to become addicts. OR everyone BUT you is predisposed to NOT become addicts. Genetics goes back further than your mother and father,and you could "catch" the "right" genes OR the "wrong' genes from any of your ancestors going back hundreds of years.
And...if it was merely genetic ...my mother and uncle would also have been alcoholics. My ex and friends didn't have anyone in their family that were alcoholics that would "explain" why they were.
And you know this,how?
Therefore, the only conclusion is that it was what they chose to do.
Uh,huh. Pull my finger.
Where the spiritual part comes in... is asking for and getting God's help ... when one is not strong enough to kick a habit. At least, that's how I see it. So glad you asked for God's help. That was, quite literally, the first step in your recovery. 888high58888
If "God",in any of his/her/it's/undetermined forms is responsible for someone "kicking" an addiction,can't it also be fairly said that he/her,etc,etc,etc is also responsible FOR addiction?
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Well... since the author of the book blames Trump for his brother's alcoholism.... and since some here don't see the disconnect of acknowledging Trump's non-alcoholism.... yet positing that alcoholism is genetic (inherited)....
it just naturally progressed to that ""disconnect"". It it was really genetic, why doesn't Trump have it (the so-called disease). :whistle:
@XenaLee
JESUS! Just HOW freaking thick ARE you?
Trump is on record as saying he is not an alcoholic because he saw what alcohol did to his older brother,so HE NEVER TOOK A DRINK.
I am going to type this slowly so that MAYBE you can take it in and do something with it. People that do NOT drink do NOT become alcoholics. If you have never had it,you can't crave it!
Frankly,I am shocked I ever have to write something so freaking obvious.
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Frankly, I'm surprised that you (of all people) are buying into that "victimization" bullshit (it isn't my fault, I inherited it.. it's in the genes!!! The genes made me take all those drinks!!!).
You clearly have precious little idea what you're talking about ... and yet you double-down.
If you're at all interested in learning more about the brain chemistry behind addiction and the link between addiction and genetics, take a few moments and Google both.
Maybe you'll start to understand addiction is not about victimization and no one referencing molecular biochemistry is suggesting it. Studies on the changes in brain chemistry look for a remedy, not an excuse.
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MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
Media is very careful to not ask Mary Trump whether or not she's ever actually met Donald Trump. She was in the same room in 2017 for a large family gathering. Eric didn't recognize her, having never seen her. She has no photograph anywhere of her with Donald Trump.
2:01 PM · Jul 15, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1283461681507717126
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You remember in High School when some freshman said some shit about a Senior and we all sent out gang of Sophomores to obliviate that azzholes character? Yea, me neither.
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You clearly have precious little idea what you're talking about ... and yet you double-down.
If you're at all interested in learning more about the brain chemistry behind addiction and the link between addiction and genetics, take a few moments and Google both.
Maybe you'll start to understand addiction is not about victimization and no one referencing molecular biochemistry is suggesting it. Studies on the changes in brain chemistry look for a remedy, not an excuse.
It actually is about personal responsibility and strength of will/character. And as for those "studies" done, much like many of the studies done by so-called ""experts"" on Covid-19, opinions vary. And yet "you" double down.
For instance... studies that deemed alcoholism as a disease are not based in scientific fact. But it did, as intended, relieve some of the responsibility (there's that word again) for alcoholics, since it removed the factor of their "choice". You've heard the term "enabler"? Well, when the ""experts"" deemed alcoholism a disease, they effectively enabled alcoholics to remain alcoholics by making them victims of a disease that was presumably 'out of their control'. I'd call that victimization. Read this and educate yourself. It's a long read, but worthy of consideration:
The disease concept stripped the substance user of personal responsibility. A disease cannot be cured by force of will; therefore, adding the medical label transfers the responsibility from the user to caregivers. Inevitably, the users become unwilling victims, and just as inevitably they take on that role.
https://www.baldwinresearch.com/alcoholism.cfm (https://www.baldwinresearch.com/alcoholism.cfm)
My point about the genetics theory re: alcoholism is... it's not a valid excuse for being an alcoholic. Yet many people, especially liberals, use it as exactly that....an excuse.
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It actually is about personal responsibility and strength of will/character. And as for those "studies" done, much like many of the studies done by so-called ""experts"" on Covid-19, opinions vary. And yet "you" double down.
My point about the genetics theory re: alcoholism is... it's not a valid excuse for being an alcoholic. Yet many people, especially liberals, use it as exactly that....an excuse.
The decades-long studies and medical research were not conducted to uncover an excuse; but an understanding of the physical addiction process and a remedy for it. The data amassed through these studies is now used in treatment protocols -- including repair of the physical body --- and prevention strategies. The strongest prevention strategy to come out of these studies is this: If you have alcoholism in your genetic family, at all, do not drink alcohol. Understanding and respecting the genetic predisposition is the single most effective way to prevent the disease.
Some, no doubt, use this information as an "I can't help it" excuse. But this doesn't diminish the validity of the research findings.
Neither is the data diminished because some cling to their belief that whoever blew their life to hell did so because he or she chose to --- out of weakness.
IMO, in this day and age both judgments should be shunned.
Enjoy the day @XenaLee
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@sneakypete
A story:
Years ago, I was a school psychologist. There was a psychologist in Houston who came to our school system to help with school children. He was a friend of mine.
In the summers, I sold real estate; I was a real estate broker. This man and his wife wanted to move into our school system district. They came to me wanting to see houses. I took them out to see houses and later we went to a restaurant in the Seabrook area, which was on the lake in Seabrook. It was a club type restaurant. I was paying for their meal. I was shocked to see them drinking alcoholic drinks one after another. The bill for the meal was over $100 due to the amount of alcohol they drank and alcohol didn't cost as much as it does today.
I helped them get the loan they needed for the house they chose. A year went by and this psychologist died - alcohol had destroyed his liver and killed him.
Why could not this psychologist deal with whatever caused him to drink? He should have known better since he was a psychologist, right? Psychologists are people, too. He could help others, but not himself. If I had known he was an addict to alcohol, I would have tried to help him. He was never drunk when working at our schools; if he was, I saw no behavior that suggested he was drunk. Yes, they both drank a lot when I took them to that restaurant, but one time seeing that did not mean he or she was an addict.
I have a fast metabolism, one half glass of wine, and that is it. My husband and I went to a Mexican restaurant I had not been to before, to meet our friend. I ordered a Margarita. I did not know at that restaurant, they put two shots of alcohol in the drink. I got so drunk I could hardly speak, I could not function, had trouble trying to eat. I was still that way when we left there. I learned from that, to ask how much alcohol is in a drink.
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@sneakypete
A story:
Years ago, I was a school psychologist. There was a psychologist in Houston who came to our school system to help with school children. He was a friend of mine.
In the summers, I sold real estate; I was a real estate broker. This man and his wife wanted to move into our school system district. They came to me wanting to see houses. I took them out to see houses and later we went to a restaurant in the Seabrook area, which was on the lake in Seabrook. It was a club type restaurant. I was paying for their meal. I was shocked to see them drinking alcoholic drinks one after another. The bill for the meal was over $100 due to the amount of alcohol they drank and alcohol didn't cost as much as it does today.
I helped them get the loan they needed for the house they chose. A year went by and this psychologist died - alcohol had destroyed his liver and killed him.
Why could not this psychologist deal with whatever caused him to drink? He should have known better since he was a psychologist, right? Psychologists are people, too. He could help others, but not himself. If I had known he was an addict to alcohol, I would have tried to help him. He was never drunk when working at our schools; if he was, I saw no behavior that suggested he was drunk. Yes, they both drank a lot when I took them to that restaurant, but one time seeing that did not mean he or she was an addict.
I have a fast metabolism, one half glass of wine, and that is it. My husband and I went to a Mexican restaurant I had not been to before, to meet our friend. I ordered a Margarita. I did not know at that restaurant, they put two shots of alcohol in the drink. I got so drunk I could hardly speak, I could not function, had trouble trying to eat. I was still that way when we left there. I learned from that, to ask how much alcohol is in a drink.
LOL! @Chosen Daughter
When I was at the height of my career in the late 1970's, I had the opportunity to interact with a half-dozen so-called psychologists, where THEY were the client...not me.
Every single one of them were batshit crazy. Every. Single. One. :beer:
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The decades-long studies and medical research were not conducted to uncover an excuse; but an understanding of the physical addiction process and a remedy for it. The data amassed through these studies is now used in treatment protocols -- including repair of the physical body --- and prevention strategies. The strongest prevention strategy to come out of these studies is this: If you have alcoholism in your genetic family, at all, do not drink alcohol. Understanding and respecting the genetic predisposition is the single most effective way to prevent the disease.
Some, no doubt, use this information as an "I can't help it" excuse. But this doesn't diminish the validity of the research findings.
Neither is the data diminished because some cling to their belief that whoever blew their life to hell did so because he or she chose to --- out of weakness.
IMO, in this day and age both judgments should be shunned.
Enjoy the day @XenaLee
Yes, yes, yes..... decades long "settled science". I expected that point to be brought up on this issue. But you'll forgive me for poo-pooing some of the decades long settled science that some "experts" have come up with.... since globull warming/climate change is also based on decades long "settled science"... and it is pure bullcrap.
Did you bother to read the whole article? Where it mentions Mann's ulterior motives and that Jellinek refuted his own findings later? Probably not. Whatever.
Again, opinions vary and mine remains in agreement with the article, only one of many that I have read over the years that lays out what my stance is on this.
Have a great day yourself.
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Yes, yes, yes..... decades long "settled science".
Oh, okay. You've convinced me. There's no such thing as "settled science". Viva! demonic possession! 88devil
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Neither is the data diminished because some cling to their belief that whoever blew their life to hell did so because he or she chose to --- out of weakness.
IMO, in this day and age both judgments should be shunned.
Absolutely wrong. My father, whom I have praised in your presence, may he rest in peace, did every damn thing he could to blow up our family, and he sure as hell did it in weakness and chose that way, day by day... Even I as I did for some years of my life. The way forward out of alcohol addiction or any other eventually rewards the addict with character, because the strength of will developed to beat it down in yourself day by day, even hour by hour builds that character, and is a big part of healing the man.
It is because of that enormous strength of will that I can see with my own eyes the turnaround he made in his life, and all he did in latter years to remedy what he had done... becoming an example to generations. And it is in that strength that he is creditable in turning me around to a very great degree, showing to me the character that I too had left far behind.
To deny his weakness denies also that strength, and you are damn well wrong in that, @Right_in_Virginia
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Oh, okay. You've convinced me. There's no such thing as "settled science". Viva! demonic possession! 88devil
Lol! You know neither of us is going to be "convinced" of the opposing view, really. But thanks for the much needed laugh.
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Lol! You know neither of us is going to be "convinced" of the opposing view, really. But thanks for the much needed laugh.
Never forget: I'm always here ready, willing and happy to help you. Always. :smokin:
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Oh, okay. You've convinced me. There's no such thing as "settled science". Viva! demonic possession! 88devil
Surely addiction is demonic. No doubt about it.
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Never forget: I'm always here ready, willing and happy to help you. Always. :smokin:
Yes... I will never forget that you are always here... and that you "think" you are helping...lolol. :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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Surely addiction is demonic. No doubt about it.
Thin line between addiction and obsession. My wife claims I'd trade her in for a good High Yielding Tax Free Muni.... :cool:
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Has anybody heard anything "new" about the Mary Trump book? Did it come out yet? Is there any wailing, gnashing of teeth or rending of clothes?
Remember that? It was the topic of this thread. :whistle:
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Absolutely wrong. My father, whom I have praised in your presence, may he rest in peace, did every damn thing he could to blow up our family, and he sure as hell did it in weakness and chose that way, day by day...
I'm sorry to hear about your Dad and the pain his actions left you to deal with. But this does not change the biochemistry of alcohol addiction --including changes in the brain --- and the most effective medical protocols in treatment and strategies for prevention.
I'll not debate this further with you. I sincerely hope you find peace.
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Has anybody heard anything "new" about the Mary Trump book? Did it come out yet? Is there any wailing, gnashing of teeth or rending of clothes?
Remember that? It was the topic of this thread.
Mary Who?
:threadjack:
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Has anybody heard anything "new" about the Mary Trump book? Did it come out yet? Is there any wailing, gnashing of teeth or rending of clothes?
Remember that? It was the topic of this thread. :whistle:
Mary who? 888mouth
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A family member said it was a must read. Read it in one sitting the day it came out.
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Has anybody heard anything "new" about the Mary Trump book? Did it come out yet? Is there any wailing, gnashing of teeth or rending of clothes?
Remember that? It was the topic of this thread. :whistle:
I found this tidbit interesting ... and posted it last night :laugh:
MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
Media is very careful to not ask Mary Trump whether or not she's ever actually met Donald Trump. She was in the same room in 2017 for a large family gathering. Eric didn't recognize her, having never seen her. She has no photograph anywhere of her with Donald Trump.
2:01 PM · Jul 15, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/MarkSimoneNY/status/1283461681507717126
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Thin line between addiction and obsession.
No line there at all. My addictions and my obsessions are often the same thing. In fact, the only thing I can do is try to feed the obsessions that are socially acceptable, and unlikely to kill anybody... Because often I can see little other difference. It's why I can read a million miles of whitepaper and work for days straight, just to crack the encryption on a hard drive... And get paid in pie from an appreciative old grandma who has her pictures back... Or I could do it for another reason. If I am not careful, it's all the same to me. :whistle:
My wife claims I'd trade her in for a good High Yielding Tax Free Muni.... :cool:
What can I get out of an ex? :laugh: :beer:
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I'm sorry to hear about your Dad and the pain his actions left you to deal with. But this does not change the biochemistry of alcohol addiction --including changes in the brain --- and the most effective medical protocols in treatment and strategies for prevention.
I'll not debate this further with you. I sincerely hope you find peace.
Not at all... It is not the pain that is remembered. He and I are square... BECAUSE he fixed it as best as he could. With a monumental strength of character... He has overcome, and I am damn proud of him.
And there is nothing but peace in that.
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Mary Who?
:threadjack:
I don’t think Mary has actually ever met Donald Trump. In the dozens of hours of media interviews no one has even bothered to ask her that simple question.
The White House photographer takes photos of every person meeting the president, that’s a fact, and Mary was at the White House for that large family gathering after Trump was elected, yet there is not one photo of her with the president—everyone else has a photo, just not Mary.
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Surely addiction is demonic. No doubt about it.
Agreed.
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Not at all... It is not the pain that is remembered. He and I are square... BECAUSE he fixed it as best as he could. With a monumental strength of character... He has overcome, and I am damn proud of him.
And there is nothing but peace in that.
Wish I could say the same for my parents. But that doesn't stop me from seeking peace.
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Has anybody heard anything "new" about the Mary Trump book? Did it come out yet? Is there any wailing, gnashing of teeth or rending of clothes?
Remember that? It was the topic of this thread. :whistle:
I dunno. I mean it's out, but dunno if it's selling as fast as they can be shipped from the printer or on course to be in Costco clearance bin in record time. I'm guessing reality is closer to the latter extreme.
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Wish I could say the same for my parents. But that doesn't stop me from seeking peace.
In our case, it turned out right. He assumed his responsibilities as patriarch, father, and husband... He picked it up and walked the line... Better by far than ever before... Tamped down full and then some. What an excellent miracle! Yah is good! By the time he died he was deeply loved and respected... Only my elder sister retains any animus toward him, and that quite likely a defined hate. But she had moved off and was not around to see him change... To this day she will deny he did. And I grieve for her in that. She has spent a lifetime carrying that burden.
To find your peace friend, is simple. Put it down and walk away. Every time. Settle it before bed every night, and write it off. Forgiveness, it turns out, is for YOU, not for them. Without it, you'll chew your own belly out.
Now, I said it is simple, and it is in the saying... The doing can be another thing. But that's where it is.
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It actually is about personal responsibility and strength of will/character. And as for those "studies" done, much like many of the studies done by so-called ""experts"" on Covid-19, opinions vary. And yet "you" double down.
For instance... studies that deemed alcoholism as a disease are not based in scientific fact.
@XenaLee
Since you seem to be a slow learner:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DISEASE (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DISEASE)
dis·ease
/dəˈzēz/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: disease; plural noun: diseases; noun: dis-ease; plural noun: dis-eases
a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.
Addiction is a chemical compulsion that people are born with. Get someone not brain damaged to explain this concept to you.
But it did, as intended, relieve some of the responsibility (there's that word again) for alcoholics, since it removed the factor of their "choice".
NO ONE is "responsible" for BEING an alcoholic,drug addict,homosexual,heterosexual,etc,etc,etc. They ARE responsible,however,for their ACTIONS.
ACTIONS are illegal or immoral,or even both,depending on your own particular POV.
Just like YOUR COMPULSION to hang tags on people and accuse them of thought crimes.
You've heard the term "enabler"? Well, when the ""experts"" deemed alcoholism a disease, they effectively enabled alcoholics to remain alcoholics by making them victims of a disease that was presumably 'out of their control'.
You are flat-out nuts. More than half the family I grew up in were alcoholics,and not a single damn one of them ever asked for or wanted "approval" from anyone.
I have never known a "professional drunk" that did. They are all too busy trying to please their inner demons to worry about what anyone thinks.
If ANYTHING,on a subconscious level they were allowing their "inner bleep" to come out in the hope that somebody would stop them by having them arrested and forced into rehab.
They,like all addicts everywhere,know they need help to stop,but what is driving them does not want them to stop. It is a life-long battle they have to fight,and there IS no such thing as a cure.
Truth to tell,in the past doctors and courts have turned drunks into drug addicts by giving them narcotics to reduce their craving for alcohol. Thankfully,this sort of thing no longer happens.
I'd call that victimization.
Un,huh! YOUSA VIC-TUM,ain't ya?
BTW,in case you are wondering,I am neither an alcoholic or a drug addict,despite drinking tanker cars of whiskey and taking huge amounts of drugs. I did it all for FUN,not to satisfy any compulsion,and one day I just decided it had quit being fun,and flat out quit that same day. Never had any mild desire to get drunk or high a single day since,and I quit sometime in the early 80's.
And it didn't have a damn thing to do with strength of character or "finding Jesus". I was just lucky enough to be born without those compulsions.
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Mary Trump slams Ivanka in new interview: 'She doesn't do anything'
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mary-trump-slams-ivanka-in-new-interview-she-doesnt-do-anything/ar-BB16P9BS?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mary-trump-slams-ivanka-in-new-interview-she-doesnt-do-anything/ar-BB16P9BS?ocid=ientp)
Mary's hate has just flung her over the shark. --- Should've sidestepped this question, Mare.... 88devil
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200715180328-mary-trump-sat-intv-vpx-live-video.jpg) (https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5c7fec480b674b46b5b1847a/master/pass/ivanka%20trump%20security%20clearance.jpg)
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Mary's hate has just flung her over the shark. --- Should've sidestepped this question, Mare.... 88devil
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She jumped, fell short, but the shark refused to eat her. ****drummer
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What in the eff, is the intended point of arguing that the "disease theory" of addiction is not valid?
The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, published in 1939, points to it. Other 12 Step Programs have mirrored it, since.
The resulting successful program has helped millions, ail over the world ever since.
Costly Treatment programs refer their patients to AA.
Other alternatives have mostly fallen by the wayside (Rational Recovery; Moderation Management).
Many churches have "Recovery ministries, using the AA model.
From my first days, I was fascinated by AA, studied, made friends, etc.
If the "disease" word is the hang-up, try disorder, condition, malady, etc.
I remember when my father was told his youngest daughter had depression. He initiially denied it. Somebody made him resent the implication it might be his fault.
Later he realized she needed her meds, to correct stuff in her brain.
Today science and religion readily accept brain chemistry and electricity issues.
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What in the eff, is the intended point of arguing that the "disease theory" of addiction is not valid?
The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, published in 1939, points to it. Other 12 Step Programs have mirrored it, since.
The resulting successful program has helped millions, ail over the world ever since.
The one thing that stands out about the Big Book is that it was written after the first 100 had recovered. Emphasis on 'recovered'. Not 'in recovery'. Not 'recovering'. But 'recovered'. Being reborn spiritually as a result of the steps. The closest thing I know to being 'born again', becoming a new creation, having a renewed mindset.
I personally knew some of the people who wrote the NA basic text. Can't say that any of them had recovered when they wrote it, nor many years later. Bottom line, I got 'clean' in NA, but I got 'sober' in AA.
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Today science and religion readily accept brain chemistry and electricity issues.
To a bloody fault.
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This should possibly have its own separate divide
I’ll let more sagacious mods decide.
Mary Trump’s Book on President Sold Record 950,000+ Copies On First Day of Release
Mary L. Trump’s tell-all book on her uncle President Donald Trump sold more than 950,000 copies in its first day of release.
Simon & Schuster announced Thursday that Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man sold more than 950,000 “through Tuesday, July 14†— the book’s first day.
“The combined sales figure includes pre-orders and first day sales of print books, ebooks, and e-audiobooks in the U.S., and is a company record,†Simon & Schuster declared, adding that its “ordered a 14th printing of the book that, when completed, will bring the number of hardcover copies in print to more than 1,150,000.â€
In a statement, Simon & Schuster CEO Jonathan Karp said, “There is only one word that can be used to describe the sales of Mary Trump’s memoir and that word is HUGE.â€
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/mary-trumps-book-on-president-sold-record-950000-copies-on-first-day-of-release/ (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/mary-trumps-book-on-president-sold-record-950000-copies-on-first-day-of-release/)
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This should possibly have its own separate divide
I’ll let more sagacious mods decide.
Mary Trump’s Book on President Sold Record 950,000+ Copies On First Day of Release
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/mary-trumps-book-on-president-sold-record-950000-copies-on-first-day-of-release/ (https://www.mediaite.com/trump/mary-trumps-book-on-president-sold-record-950000-copies-on-first-day-of-release/)
Dayum!
Uncle Donald should have opened his wallet, so niece Mary wouldn't have had to get paid by putting her foot to his ass. :yowsa:
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Remember that every president had their own crazy tell-all relative who wrote a book or embarrassed the president with their behavior. With just the least effort I can think of Patty Reagan and Ron jr., Billy Carter, Roger Clinton. So Trump’s got Mary Trump who, in dim light, could pass as Marty Trump.
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Remember that every president had their own crazy tell-all relative who wrote a book or embarrassed the president with their behavior. With just the least effort I can think of Patty Reagan and Ron jr., Billy Carter, Roger Clinton. So Trump’s got Mary Trump who, in dim light, could pass as Marty Trump.
Don't sell our current president short. No one delivers like 45.
None of those other rank amateurs had books by an ex-NSA sell 780,000 copies during it first week, a book by a niece sell 950,000 copies (whew!) its first day, and waiting in the wings, a sure to be blockbuster book by his personal lawyer to be published in time for the Christmas buying season!
I wonder if Trump will send a tweet bragging about his tremendous book sales. :pondering:
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I just realized that sales record does not take into consideration books like ebooks. (kindle) and audio books like Audible and other platforms.
Amazon is saying on their website now if you order the book today, it could be a month before you get a copy. They’ve sold out.
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Don't sell our current president short. No one delivers like 45.
None of those other rank amateurs had books by an ex-NSA sell 780,000 copies during it first week, a book by a niece sell 950,000 copies (whew!) its first day, and waiting in the wings, a sure to be blockbuster book by his personal lawyer to be published in time for the Christmas buying season!
I wonder if Trump will send a tweet bragging about his tremendous book sales. :pondering:
I think we should start putting red checks by the avatars of the Biden/Marxist supporters around here @aligncare
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I think we should start putting red checks by the avatars of the Biden/Marxist supporters around here @aligncare
Didn't know youl like to wear Brown Shirts. Plus it hasn't gone unnoticed that you tend to put that label on anyone not in lock step with the Orange Leader. Does that include me? Can we assign orange checks to people like you here, who have ZERO ability to disagree with anything POTUS says or does?
Just wondering.......
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I think we should start putting red checks by the avatars of the Biden/Marxist supporters around here @aligncare
Somehow, I am not surprised.......
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Somehow, I am not surprised.......
wink777
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I think we should start putting red checks by the avatars of the Biden/Marxist supporters around here @aligncare
Red check not enough :jail:
Mueller, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Rosenstein, Steele, Mifsud, McCabe thank you for supporting their illegal resistance @FeelNoPain
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Remember that every president had their own crazy tell-all relative who wrote a book or embarrassed the president with their behavior. With just the least effort I can think of Patty Reagan and Ron jr., Billy Carter, Roger Clinton. So Trump’s got Mary Trump who, in dim light, could pass as Marty Trump.
This is true.
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Red check not enough :jail:
@FeelNoPain
Bullshit.... Name one Biden supporter here at TBR.. Put up or shut up.
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Bullshit.... Name one Biden supporter here at TBR.. Put up or shut up.
I didn’t mention Biden, you did, and I believe also RIV did.
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I've moved on from Biteme I'm firmly in the Jared Kushner camp now.
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Don't sell our current president short. No one delivers like 45.
None of those other rank amateurs had books by an ex-NSA sell 780,000 copies during it first week, a book by a niece sell 950,000 copies (whew!) its first day, and waiting in the wings, a sure to be blockbuster book by his personal lawyer to be published in time for the Christmas buying season!
I wonder if Trump will send a tweet bragging about his tremendous book sales. :pondering:
It's amazing how many jollies you can get watching somebody slip on a banana peel, when you really hate the person. Your amusement at the tell-alls doesn't surprise me, but you have to try harder if you want to be the Number One Trump Hater of TBR.
Most thinkers tend to be less predictable.
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Didn't know youl like to wear Brown Shirts. Plus it hasn't gone unnoticed that you tend to put that label on anyone not in lock step with the Orange Leader. Does that include me? Can we assign orange checks to people like you here, who have ZERO ability to disagree with anything POTUS says or does?
Still just throwing out insults hoping one sticks --- :laugh:
Just wondering.......
You're not "wondering" @catfish1957 --- you're spewing your usual shit at me. The act of wondering involves higher level thinking and ... well ... let's just say your cupboard is bare.
6666kiss
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I don't know.
The thing that is frustrating to me, it seems as if no dissent is tolerated at times, by some.
I have been disappointed in every President, and all politicians, at one time or another.
The farther left they've went, the higher the disappointment.
Some say if we criticize here on this forum, we are helping the left, adding fuel to the fire, or worse, in cahoots with the left.
I disagree.
It is not as if we are shouting it from the rooftops, changing the hearts and minds of the swing voters.
If we can't speak our minds here on this forum, where can we?
I leave it here, and generally do not talk about politics outside of this forum.
I wasn't in the Trump camp, due to a lot of stuff he said, but I will say I am in it now.
His actions (not words) have shown me that he is a 10th amendment guy, letting the states handle their own affairs, for better or worse, but I believe that is what a POTUS should do.
I like the deregulation going on, also.
Judicial picks are good. The problem is that conservatives in general do not mark in lock-step on the courts like liberals do.
It appears that the best we can do on the courts is find the most conservative for the positions, but it will always have mixed results.
Conservatives are not robots, like the liberals.
My main criticism is that the debt keeps soaring.
I know he doesn't allocate the money, but I'd like to see a veto used now and again.
Rand Paul seems to be the only one in DC talking about this lately.
I give him high marks, but not 100%, but I've never given a politician 100% yet.
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I just realized that sales record does not take into consideration books like ebooks. (kindle) and audio books like Audible and other platforms.
Amazon is saying on their website now if you order the book today, it could be a month before you get a copy. They’ve sold out.
I expected this book would be a best seller. People love dirt on the rich and famous. How much influence it will have on the election -- who knows? Maybe it will persuade independents and undecideds one way or the other, but I'm guessing for those who have already made up their minds -- it won't change a thing.
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Still just throwing out insults hoping one sticks --- :laugh:
You're not "wondering" @catfish1957 --- you're spewing your usual shit at me. The act of wondering involves higher level thinking and ... well ... let's just say your cupboard is bare.
6666kiss
Bare Cupboard? LMAO... More like an episode of "The Truth Hurts" in your case, and on your behalf. You're lack of any critical thought on DJT's shortcomings has ravaged your credibility here anyway. And you call accuse me of "lack of higher thinking". That's a laugh coming from someone who rides shot gun on the Short Bus.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Annoying_Orange_Kicthen_Carange_icon_175x175.png)
Come back to me when your friend here gives you your new set of talking points.
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Conservatives are not robots, like the liberals.
And that’s our great weakness. The robots appear to be winning while republicans and conservatives pretend we’re living in 1776, or 1946, when there were rules. We’re playing beanbag and democrats are cutting throats.
They own us in the culture, in the boardrooms of corporations, in social and news media and in entertainment. They own the unions, education and Fedgov workers, big city governments, sports leagues. All the institutions of society and governments are in the hands of a unified force in a power grab for more control.
When will republicans and conservatives meet Leftist political and community force with equal force. We’re losing the culture and that matters to our political viability and future of the country.
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Trump is already in office.
The Senate is controlled by Republicans.
And all this shit is going down on their watch.
And you think that is winning?
That not being a fan of what they are doing is the reason why they are failing?
They are failing because of who they are. They are not capable of actually leading - as well evidenced.
If you want actual change. You are going to have to do something else. Because this isn't working. And hasn't been working for some time.
Just because some people have figured that out sooner than others doesn't make them the enemy.
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And that’s our great weakness. The robots appear to be winning while republicans and conservatives pretend we’re living in 1776, or 1946, when there were rules. We’re playing beanbag and democrats are cutting throats.
Here's a clue. Any time Republicans try to out-Democrat Democrats, they come up short.
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And that’s our great weakness. The robots appear to be winning while republicans and conservatives pretend we’re living in 1776, or 1946, when there were rules. We’re playing beanbag and democrats are cutting throats.
They own us in the culture, in the boardrooms of corporations, in social and news media and in entertainment. They own the unions, education and Fedgov workers, big city governments, sports leagues. All the institutions of society and governments are in the hands of a unified force in a power grab for more control.
When will republicans and conservatives meet Leftist political and community force with equal force. We’re losing the culture and that matters to our political viability and future of the country.
Honestly, I consider it a strength, not a weakness.
I would rather have the infighting and struggles than have everyone in 100% agreement on everything.
Change is hard to come by if everyone agrees.
Change may or may not be good, of course.
When it comes to the judicial, let the constitution be their guide.
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My main criticism is that the debt keeps soaring.
I know he doesn't allocate the money, but I'd like to see a veto used now and again.
He can't. Part of all the "gimmes" is to keep the leftist supporters in cash so they can move around and protest,and part of it to try to sucker Trump into complaining about "financial aid given to the poorest of the poor in this time of their greatest need!".
I can read the headlines and see the teebee talking heads so outraged spittle is flying on camera right now in my mind.
In other words,part of the massive spending is to try to set a trap for him to fall into so the left can start screaming "He only cares about billionaires like him!" to the clueless "undecided voters" that seem to decide every election.
Rand Paul seems to be the only one in DC talking about this lately.
And there must be at least 3 people writing him in on ballots.
I give him high marks, but not 100%, but I've never given a politician 100% yet.
The day I give ANY politician a 100% approval rating is the same day I turn myself in to a state home for the mentally feeble.
Hell,I wouldn't even support ME 100% if I were President. We elect presidents,not dictators,and this means a little give and take is not only inevitable,but desired. NOBODY is right all the time.
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The day I give ANY politician a 100% approval rating is the same day I turn myself in to a state home for the mentally feeble.
Hell,I wouldn't even support ME 100% if I were President. We elect presidents,not dictators,and this means a little give and take is not only inevitable,but desired. NOBODY is right all the time. Not even me.
@sneakypete
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The one thing that stands out about the Big Book is that it was written after the first 100 had recovered. Emphasis on 'recovered'. Not 'in recovery'. Not 'recovering'. But 'recovered'. Being reborn spiritually as a result of the steps. The closest thing I know to being 'born again', becoming a new creation, having a renewed mindset.
I personally knew some of the people who wrote the NA basic text. Can't say that any of them had recovered when they wrote it, nor many years later. Bottom line, I got 'clean' in NA, but I got 'sober' in AA.
AA and NA have deep long histories in my area.
While many quibble over words ,my early sponsor had both drug and alcohol problems. I had alcohol problems only, but most of my early buddies had both.
Dr. Paul author of Doctor, Addict, Alcoholic, told his story in a persuasive way. I heard him speak twice.
FWIW I can't make music, but I love it. I was influenced by music figures, in the programs.
Sir Anthony Hopkins, Robert Downey Jr., Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Ringo Starr, Bill Ward, Bonnie Raitt, Alice Cooper,
https://www.sandiegoaddictions.com/24-celebrities-celebrating-sobriety/ (https://www.sandiegoaddictions.com/24-celebrities-celebrating-sobriety/)