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Just breaking more to follow
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He was a good boy and was just starting to turn his life around...
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http://patdollard.com/2014/08/ferguson-police-officer-who-shot-michael-brown-identified-as-darren-wilson-developing/ (http://patdollard.com/2014/08/ferguson-police-officer-who-shot-michael-brown-identified-as-darren-wilson-developing/)
SHOCK, EXPOSED: Cops Reveal Michael Brown Had Just Committed A Violent Robbery And Was Fleeing The Scene!!!
UPDATE: Mike Tobin of Fox News is now reporting that surveillance video proves that Michael Brown had just committed a violent robbery, and that’s why he was stopped…developing…
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/)
Ferguson police say Michael Brown fit description of strong-arm robbery suspect
Published August 15, 2014FoxNews.com
Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was fatally shot by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb, fit the description of a strong-arm robbery suspect that police were responding to the night he was shot, the Ferguson police chief said at a Friday press conference.
Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said that the robbery took place at a nearby convenient store. When police confronted Brown, they said a struggle ensued. Jackson went on to identify the police officer in the shooting as Darren Wilson, a six-year veteran with no disciplinary action on his record.
Protesters had been calling on police to be more transparent in the investigation. Police said they withheld the name because of the potential for threats on the officer and his family. The officer has been on administrative leave since the shooting.
Jackson said Wilson, along with other officers, were called to the area after a 911 call reporting a "strong-arm robbery" at a nearby convenience store. He didn't immediately release details about the alleged robbery, saying more information would be released later.
Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer's weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.
But a much different story has been told by Dorian Johnson, who says he was walking down the street with Brown when he was shot. He has said the officer ordered them out of the street, then grabbed his friend's neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He says Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times.
WATCH: Minister's explosive Ferguson rant goes viral
Tensions in the Ferguson boiled over after a candlelight vigil Sunday night, as looters smashed and burned businesses in the neighborhood, where police have repeatedly fired tear gas and smoke bombs.
But on Thursday, county police in riot gear and armored tanks gave way to state troopers walking side-by-side with thousands of peaceful protesters. The dramatic shift came after Gov. Jay Nixon assigned oversight of the protests to the state Highway Patrol, stripping that authority from the St. Louis County Police Department.
"All they did was look at us and shoot tear gas," Pedro Smith, who has participated in the nightly protests, said Thursday. "This is totally different. Now we're being treated with respect."
The more tolerant response came as President Obama spoke publicly for the first time about Saturday's fatal shooting -- and the subsequent violence that shocked the nation and threatened to tear apart Ferguson, a town of 21,000 that is nearly 70 percent black and patrolled by a nearly all-white police force.
Nixon's promise to ease the deep racial tensions was swiftly put to the test as demonstrators gathered again Thursday evening. But the latest protests had a light, almost jubilant atmosphere among the racially mixed crowd, more akin to a parade or block party.
The streets were filled with music, free food and even laughter. When darkness fell -- the point at which previous protests have grown tense -- no uniformed officers were in sight outside the burned-out QuikTrip convenience store that had become a flashpoint for standoffs between police and protesters.
"You can feel it. You can see it," protester Cleo Willis said of the change. "Now it's up to us to ride that feeling."
Nixon appointed Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is black, to lead the police effort. Johnson, who grew up near Ferguson and commands a region that includes St. Louis County, marched alongside protesters Thursday, joined by other high-ranking brass from the Highway Patrol as well as the county department. The marchers also had a police escort.
"We're here to serve and protect," Johnson said. "We're not here to instill fear."
video at link
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But all this time the narrative was he was a innocent young man days away from entering college. It will be interesting to see how the mainstream media handles this. If a photo of the officer was released, it would be plastered on every from page and the opening moments of every broadcast. But the photos of mike Brown actually committing that strong arm robbery my bet will be largely ignored, except by FOX.
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They really should let the blacks police their own.
At least then the shootings won't be whitey's fault...
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He was just stealing a Bible to give it to his poor granny and he wasn't strong arming the victim, he was simply hugging him. /do I really need to point out sarcasm?
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There is a photo posted everywhere of the officer...he is black..I am trying to confirm if it is the same Darren Wilson before I post the photo
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They really should let the blacks police their own.
At least then the shootings won't be whitey's fault...
That's called Mogadishu. I would rather have a police force of the most qualified, most driven, and most willing to follow the "to serve and protect" motto, be they black, white or any other race. Police departments don't just open a booth at the unemployment office to fill their ranks. I spent 4 years of my post-military life trying to study for and pass the tough entry exams for my own cities police department, where 500 applicants would show up to try for 4 openings - and only the top 10% in test scores would pass onto the next phase of testing.
And I can tell you this, if the police departments was directly proportional to the racial population, (an extreme form of Affirmative Action) I and I think most of you would make it a point never to stray into other parts of town not like yours.
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There is a photo posted everywhere of the officer...he is black..I am trying to confirm if it is the same Darren Wilson before I post the photo
Such a common name and the way the internet works, any photos this early that aren't officially released I would strongly doubt.
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There is a photo posted everywhere of the officer...he is black..I am trying to confirm if it is the same Darren Wilson before I post the photo
That would be an interesting turn of events, and this story would drop like a rock from the news. But if true, I would think they would have brought his race into it after the first night of rioting.
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Just breaking more to follow
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it took them this long to release this tape? :shrug:
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And I can tell you this, if the police departments was directly proportional to the racial population, (an extreme form of Affirmative Action) I and I think most of you would make it a point never to stray into other parts of town not like yours.
I don't stray into those parts of town anyway because 'when seconds count the police are minutes away'. That's just a fact of life.
But you wouldn't have to worry about race-baiters encouraging people to burn down the white part of town because most of the police are white.
And odds are the crime rate wouldn't be appreciably different in 'parts of town not like mine'...
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Such a common name and the way the internet works, any photos this early that aren't officially released I would strongly doubt.
FOX was saying Anonymous, from Occupy fame, release the officers name before it was announced, but FOX also said the name they threw out turned out not to be correct. I would be very wary of photos popping up all over the web. Every amateur sleuth is searching police department photos, high school years books, etc, and every face shown is another man marked for termination. I would not want to be part of that by posting an unconfirmed photo.
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it took them this long to release this tape? :shrug:
I think that martial law was the plan but the protests didn't get violent enough.
Now if rioters started shooting, then it would have been a different story...
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Newsweek @Newsweek 1m
St. Louis PD official tells us the officer that works for them is NOT the same man as the Darren Wilson in the Brown shooting in Ferguson
4 mins
looks like the wrong officer was identified.....lol
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321875/-Ferguson-Chief-releases-shooter-s-name-begins-smearing-of-Michael-Brown?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321875/-Ferguson-Chief-releases-shooter-s-name-begins-smearing-of-Michael-Brown?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29)
Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 07:46 AM PDT
Ferguson Chief releases shooter's name, begins smearing of Michael Brown
by Joan McCarterFollow for Daily Kos
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Gentle giant?...you be the judge
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"All they did was look at us and shoot tear gas," Pedro Smith, who has participated in the nightly protests, said Thursday. "This is totally different. Now we're being treated with respect."
Now, THAT'S funny! :laugh:
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Seems like Barack woke up this morning and already he was behind in the count 0-2.
Trayvon Martin....Michael "Big Mike" Brown....were both thugs and wannabe gang-bangers.
Right now, Barry's saying..."Damn! Can't anybody find me an honest black victim?" :laugh:
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
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The cigars he stole "Swisher Sweets" are popular among the ghetto young for one purpose - They cut them open, dump out the tobacco, and fill them with marijuana to make “blunts” - marijuana cigars. This gentle giant, pure as the wind driven snow, college bound angel - is looking more like what you see on the TV show COPS every night.
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
Counselor address the jury and define what you mean by "free reign" when we haven't even been shown the second by second accounts of what lead to the shooting, and none of the "supposed witnesses" have given a sworn statement under oath or had their testimony carefully collaborated with other witness statements. Aren't we jumping the gun by calling it a free reign shooting?
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
Aren't you leaving out everything that happened...starting with the tussle through the open police cruiser window?
And we just found out that Darren Wilson is black. :police:
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
No, and it would be wise for the police department to give an honest account of what happened. That said, between 100 and 200 police officers die in the line of duty each year, and it's always a difficult judgment between a real threat and a perceived threat. If Brown was shot after being subdued, the officer or officers should and probably will face charges.
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Aren't you leaving out everything that happened...starting with the tussle through the open police cruiser window?
And we just found out that Darren Wilson is black. :police:
Not sure about that yet...a lot of misinformation all over the net re who Wilson is...
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Assaulting an Indian clerk at the convenience store minutes before.....
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Lying dead in the street after being shot by police....AFTER he physically assaulted the officer who confronted him BEFORE HE COULD EVEN GET OUT OF HIS CRUISER.
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Right now, Barry's saying..."Damn! Can't anybody find me an honest black victim?"
I think he'd settle for one that can't be proved to be a thug...
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6 foot 4, 300 lbs, trying to rearrange the officers cranium in the tight confines of the Police cruiser, and the first shot being fired inside that cruiser by we don't even know who yet. I wish the few here that are most eager to post police bashing stories would show that they do have objective side to them by backing off and let the facts come forward before accusing the officer of cold blooded murder.
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No, and it would be wise for the police department to give an honest account of what happened. That said, between 100 and 200 police officers die in the line of duty each year, and it's always a difficult judgment between a real threat and a perceived threat. If Brown was shot after being subdued, the officer or officers should and probably will face charges.
The last FBI (2012) showed 48 officers died in the line of duty in the U.S..
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2012-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted
12,765 homicides U.S. 2012
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain
Considering LEOs aren't pressed into service AND 9x out of 10 are aware they are approaching a potentially dangerous situation, armed and wearing "bullet proof vest" and back-up a radio call away. Compared to some poor bastard turning the doorknob to face some meth-head grabbing stereos and $127.00 in cash and change. I know who's day I would rather be having.
I'm also pretty good at clearing through the fuzz of photos but if you can determine the person in the photo is the person now on the slab, you got me beat!
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I haven't commented on this at all up until now and this is why. The story evolves, and it behooves us not to judge until all the facts are in.
I tend to lament the fact that our police are militarizing themselves, but I also recognize that today's police officer has a very tough job. He is not going to be given the benefit of the doubt when it becomes necessary to shoot an African-American perp. Quite the opposite, in fact. As we have seen in this case, the default choice for the libs and the MSM is always going to be police brutality because that matches the fairy tale they have been telling, which is that the African-American teenager is an innocent saint whose only "crime" is being black.
The reason they tell this fairy tale is because they can't tell the truth, which is that our inner city streets are filled with thugs who terrorize their communities, and these thugs are the Frankenstein monsters of modern American progressivism. To mask that truth, the libs must convince the poor bastards living in these communities that it is the police who are terrorizing them.
This is not to say that cops are incapable of being corrupted by their power. They very clearly are. As they arm themselves with tanks and M16s they just put more distance between themselves and the communities they are supposed to "serve."
Maybe both things are present in this case. I think it's kneejerk to assume one or the other every time there is a police shooting. Just because OPapaDoc and Al Sharpton go off half-cocked doesn't mean we should as well.
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6 foot 4, 300 lbs, trying to rearrange the officers cranium in the tight confines of the Police cruiser, and the first shot being fired inside that cruiser by we don't even know who yet. I wish the few here that are most eager to post police bashing stories would show that they do have objective side to them by backing off and let the facts come forward before accusing the officer of cold blooded murder.
The "facts" are that everyone, including the police chief, have said that shots were fired at Brown from 35 feet away.
Whether it was the initial shot, or additional shots, the confrontation at that point was over, the suspect was moving away and was no longer a threat.
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
Considering "eyewitnesses" said the cop was white, yet the cop is black, can we believe anything these "eyewitnesses" say?
As for you; you've been proven to be laughably wrong on this already. Sometimes it's best to fold before playing a losing hand.
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Todd Starnes
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The narrative in Ferguson Missouri has taken a dramatic turn.
The Mainstream Media led us to believe that Michael Brown was a lovable, college-bound teenager who was just minding his own business when he was randomly accosted by the police.
It was a narrative advanced by professional race hustlers - and quite frankly - to some extent - by the Obama Administration.
The police now tell us Mr. Brown was the suspect in a strong arm robbery.
I doubt that's going to sway the "peaceful protesters."
"I am incensed," Laura Keys, 50, told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "I can't believe this is the tactic they are using, bringing up a robbery to make the victim look like he was the person who created this whole mess."
There was a rush to judgment in this case and the chief offender was our commander in chief.
President Obama was all too willing to stand before the cameras and deliver another "Cops Acting Stupidly" speech.
I wonder who will deliver the "politicians acting stupidly" speech?
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Aren't you leaving out everything that happened...starting with the tussle through the open police cruiser window?
And we just found out that Darren Wilson is black. :police:
I don't give a damn if he's purple. Once Brown was outside the cruiser, moving away, the confrontation was over. Every account of eyewitnesses were that there were multiple shots and his hands were in the air.
THAT is why there is no police account of this incident. The cop overreacted and committed manslaughter.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/Lawyer-Confirms-Brown-Took-Cigars-From-Store (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/Lawyer-Confirms-Brown-Took-Cigars-From-Store)
Lawyer Confirms Brown Took Cigars From Store
on Breitbart TV 15 Aug 2014, 9:22 AM PDT
Friday on MSNBC, host Alex Witt confirmed that the attorney for Michael Brown's friend Dorian Johnson, Freeman Bosley said, "My client did tell us and told the FBI they went into the store. He told the FBI he did take the cigarettes."
The Ferguson Police Department released a report and photos Friday morning detailing a convenance store robbery of cigarillo's shortly before Brown was fatal shot last Saturday.
Witt said, "I just got off the phone with Freeman Bossily, an attorney for the witness that was with Michael Brown when he was killed. He admitted he said he told federal officials and county officials that Michael Brown did, indeed, take a pack of mini cigars."
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Considering "eyewitnesses" said the cop was white, yet the cop is black, can we believe anything these "eyewitnesses" say?
As for you; you've been proven to be laughably wrong on this already. Sometimes it's best to fold before playing a losing hand.
I haven't heard one single eyewitness even refer to the race of the cop.
Wrong? Where have I been wrong? The hothead Ferguson chief was relieved of duty and guess what? Everything was calm last night. I never made a comment about Brown because Brown is not the issue; the behavior of the cop is the issue. Shooting a suspect who is no longer a threat is at the very least a fireable offense.
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"I am incensed," Laura Keys, 50, told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "I can't believe this is the tactic they are using, bringing up a robbery to make the victim look like he was the person who created this whole mess."
I suppose we'll never hear about it if the clerk identifies him as the robber...
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/St-Louis-Alderman-President-Strong-Arm-Robbery-Exact-Same-Thing-as-Drinking-and-Driving (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/St-Louis-Alderman-President-Strong-Arm-Robbery-Exact-Same-Thing-as-Drinking-and-Driving)
St Louis Alderman President: Strong-Arm Robbery 'Exact Same Thing' as Drinking and Driving
on Breitbart TV 15 Aug 2014, 9:10 AM PDT
In an appearance on MSNBC’s “NewsNation” on Friday, Lewis Reed, president of the Board of Aldermen, argued that alleged strong-arm robbery by suspect Michael Brown was similar to a driving under the influence, and thus the treatment in the apprehension for the two crimes should have been the same.
In explaining to fill-in host Alex Witt that it will be “difficult” for Ferguson police to win the trust of the local community, he since both constituted “breaking the law,” if police had acted similarly in handling Brown as they would handle a DUI, people would be “outraged.”
“I think it's going to be difficult. Again, take a look at what happened just this morning when the request for the officer's name to be released they finally came forward with the name. Along with that comes I think will be viewed by a lot of people as a smear campaign on Michael Brown. If he took the cigarillos, if he indeed took the cigarillos, OK. That’s breaking the law. It’s against the law to drink and drive. and when people go to baseball games if they have two beers within the last 15 minutes and get behind the wheel and drive home, it would -- people would be outraged if police officers began pull those people over, take them out of their cars and shoot them. And when you look at this, it's the exact same thing, I think.”
Reed went say based on the focus should be on the police action and not the crime of strong-arm robber.
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The "facts" are that everyone, including the police chief, have said that shots were fired at Brown from 35 feet away.
Whether it was the initial shot, or additional shots, the confrontation at that point was over, the suspect was moving away and was no longer a threat.
Here is one of those "facts" you speak of from a witness talking to KMOV TV - "We wasn't committing any crime, bringing no harm to nobody, but my friend was murdered in cold blood".
Now that we know a crime was committed, and a violent one at that, everything this witness just said is a complete lie. Now that is a fact...... How many other witnesses are also lying? And as for the statement from the "police chief" you spoke of, do you have a transcript? Every news briefing I have seen with his has been far more vague, as they wait for the facts to come in.
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Here is one of those "facts" you speak of from a witness talking to KMOV TV - "We wasn't committing any crime, bringing no harm to nobody, but my friend was murdered in cold blood".
Now that we know a crime was committed, and a violent one at that, everything this witness just said is a complete lie. Now that is a fact...... How many other witnesses are also lying? And as for the statement from the "police chief" you spoke of, do you have a transcript? Every news briefing I have seen with his has been far more vague, as they wait for the facts to come in.
His friend was not murdered in cold blood. Do you think it's good police practice to shoot a man with his hands in the air? Every single eyewitness agrees that that "fact" did happen.
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I don't give a damn if he's purple. Once Brown was outside the cruiser, moving away, the confrontation was over. Every account of eyewitnesses were that there were multiple shots and his hands were in the air.
THAT is why there is no police account of this incident. The cop overreacted and committed manslaughter.
HAHAHAHA!!! Just stop, already. You don't know what happened, and your initially assumptions have been proven tragically ignorant and incorrect.
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His friend was not murdered in cold blood. Do you think it's good police practice to shoot a man with his hands in the air? Every single eyewitness agrees that that "fact" did happen.
Until they are willing to give a sworn statement under the penalty of perjury, those witnesses statements carry no legal weight. None!!!!
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The police always do this. They say "it's going to take weeks to complete the investigation." They say that because they want to drain the emotion out of the situation and for things to calm down.
The fact is, the Ferguson PD knows what happened. It took them two days to interview the first eyewitness, but now that they've done that and probably interviewed others, they can get a better picture. Hopefully, they've talked to Wilson and gotten his version.
That we are not hearing any account of what happened from the PD is telling.
Michael Brown was a thief and may have fought with the officer. The question is, do we allow a LEO to become judge, jury, and executioner in this case?
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HAHAHAHA!!! Just stop, already. You don't know what happened, and your initially assumptions have been proven tragically ignorant and incorrect.
You're still in your "burr under the saddle" mode. The color of the officer is not the issue. I guessed like everybody else.
What other assumptions I made have been wrong?
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His friend was not murdered in cold blood. Do you think it's good police practice to shoot a man with his hands in the air? Every single eyewitness agrees that that "fact" did happen.
Witnesses also said the cop was white. Other witnesses said nothing about robbery.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-witness-to-michael-brown-shooting-speaks-to-don-lemon-about-what-she-saw/
Tiffany Mitchell, another eyewitness to the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson last weekend, spoke out on CNN tonight. She told Don Lemon she saw Brown trying to pull away from the officer moments before he was shot. This comes days after a friend of Brown’s who witnessed the shooting said the police officer is “guilty of murder.”
Mitchell said Brown had started running from the police officer, and the officer ran after him, firing his gun. Then, she said, “the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit from behind and he turned around and he puts his hands up like this and the cop continued to fire, and he just dropped down to the ground.”
She described the officer in question as a tall, white male, and told Lemon she heard at least five or six shots.
And in addition, another person connected to Mitchell, who she was picking up in the neighborhood, was also witness to the shooting, and Mitchell’s lawyer said her account provides the same information about what happened that day.
Watch both segments below, via CNN:
I typically agree with you, but you're not helping your case at all with your histrionics.
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The last FBI (2012) showed 48 officers died in the line of duty in the U.S..
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2012-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted
12,765 homicides U.S. 2012
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expandhomicidemain
Considering LEOs aren't pressed into service AND 9x out of 10 are aware they are approaching a potentially dangerous situation, armed and wearing "bullet proof vest" and back-up a radio call away. Compared to some poor bastard turning the doorknob to face some meth-head grabbing stereos and $127.00 in cash and change. I know who's day I would rather be having.
I'm also pretty good at clearing through the fuzz of photos but if you can determine the person in the photo is the person now on the slab, you got me beat!
According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, over the decade from 2003 to 2012, there were an average of 154 deaths, 57,892 assaults, and 15,483 injuries of LEOs. Information provided by the FBI.
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Until they are willing to give a sworn statement under the penalty of perjury, those witnesses statements carry no legal weight. None!!!!
Does the admission by Chief Jackson that shots were fired from 35 feet away carry any weight? Where did he get that?
As for those eyewitnesses, I'm betting they'll swear to the fact that he had his hands in the air as the cop was shooting because every single one of them has attested to it.
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Assaulting an Indian clerk at the convenience store minutes before.....
(http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/mike-brown.jpg)
Lying dead in the street after being shot by police....AFTER he physically assaulted the officer who confronted him BEFORE HE COULD EVEN GET OUT OF HIS CRUISER.
Where did you find that photo of his body in the street? link?
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The color of the officer is not the issue.
I agree, actually. It matters not a bit. Let's allow the facts and an investigation to be known before we all go rioting in the streets.
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I agree, actually. It matters not a bit. Let's allow the facts and an investigation to be known before we all go rioting in the streets.
This is the same kind of stuff that happens when a cop shoots a dog in a fenced-in back yard. "It will take us a month or longer to get all the facts."
The facts are known. What most often happens is the PD has to spend some time getting its story straight to put the officer in the best possible light.
If the facts won't permit that, they can always resort to "he was in fear for his life."
Will that work in this case? Don't know, but, given the way the Ferguson PD has conducted itself over the past week, I think that's exactly what we're going to hear.
Remember, the top priority of police work is to make sure the officer goes home to his family at night.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/family-attorney-ferguson-police-are-trying-to-assassinate-character-teen/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/family-attorney-ferguson-police-are-trying-to-assassinate-character-teen/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29)
Family's attorney: Ferguson police are trying to assassinate character of teen shooting victim
Published August 15, 2014
Associated Press
FERGUSON, Mo. – The attorney for the family of an unarmed teenager fatally shot by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb says police are trying to assassinate the victim's character by saying he committed a robbery that day.
Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson on Friday identified Darren Wilson as the officer who shot 18-year-old Michael Brown last Saturday.
Jackson at the same time released documents saying Brown was suspected of stealing a box of cigars shortly before he was killed.
The attorney, Benjamin Crump, says Brown's parents are "incensed" by what he calls "the old game of smoke and mirrors." He says the family was blind-sided by Friday's announcement.
Crump says "it's bad enough they assassinated him, and now they're trying to assassinate his character."
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I'm a bit shocked by that photo of his body in the street, and I've seen the same from different angles. They have time to put police tape up but not cover the body? Maybe they just do fatality scenes differently out here in the west coast, but before the first news cameras show up it seems the bodies all have yellow plastic covering them up from public viewing. To leave him like that, in that neighborhood, I would have to question the logic in it.
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Criminality is so ingrained in the black community that, unless they deliberately shoot a little girl riding her bike, they're good boys...
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What A Sham
http://charlestonthuglife.net/2014/08/14/what-a-sham/
Wow! So, another police officer jumped out of his car in the ghetto for absolutely no reason, put a black guy on the ground with his hands up and then filled him full of lead? What a shame. Well, no, more like “what a sham”.
Too bad that narrative has been perpetuated by witnesses of the same quality as those in downtown Charleston, the media, the NAACP, the President of the United States and any number of other well known race-baiters. According to the liberal media who are gleefully reporting any perceived slights to the black population in Ferguson, Missouri, when a group of rioters forms and begins looting, throwing bricks and Molotov cocktails and shooting, the police should turn around and go home. Taking action against those criminals is just racist. And the police brought *gasp* guns and shit.
The media wants you to buy into the story that Michael Brown was a naive, helpless child who was puzzled when an evil police officer told him to get out of the street. He was not. “Big’mike Jr. Brown” was a six foot something, 260 pound, 18 year old gang member with a criminal history including burglary, “armed criminal action” and 1st degree assault.
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Details are slowly emerging which indicate Brown and his pal Dorian Johnson initiated a confrontation with a police officer responding to a call. Brown severely beat the officer and caught a round as a result. When he charged the badly beaten officer a second time, he caught a few more.
Once again we are presented with the mindset that any action taken against a black criminal is a racist action. The officer should have just taken that beating, thanked the “teen” and gone on his way having learned a valuable lesson in race relations.
We don’t think this incident was racist because, as you can see in the photo below, Brown was not wearing a hoodie. We all know the presence of a hoodie automatically makes everything racist.
If gang members were smart they would start carrying throw-down hoodies to leave at scenes so the NAACP and Al Sharpton would have some sure fire ammunition to use against the cops.
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Of the gang members on Brown’s Thugbook friends list, most seem to identify with the Bloods. We did see a few throwing the sign for the Vice Lords, though. NBC news ran this photo from Brown’s Thugbook page. the photo was date 8 July, 2014.
ScreenHunter_7438 Aug. 14 16.26
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Well, well.
If you go to #darrenwilson on Twitter, there are photos of a WHITE cop named Darren Wilson. The black Darren Wilson works for the St. Louis PD. We now know that the pics of a black cop that have been circulating are not the Darren Wilson who works for Ferguson.
I have another question. If Michael Brown was stopped by police for possible involvement in a robbery, why wasn't his accomplice Dorian Johnson arrested?
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What A Sham
http://charlestonthuglife.net/2014/08/14/what-a-sham/
Criminality is so ingrained in the black community that, unless they deliberately shoot a little girl riding her bike, they're good boys...
Thanks flowers.
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I'm a bit shocked by that photo of his body in the street, and I've seen the same from different angles. They have time to put police tape up but not cover the body? Maybe they just do fatality scenes differently out here in the west coast, but before the first news cameras show up it seems the bodies all have yellow plastic covering them up from public viewing. To leave him like that, in that neighborhood, I would have to question the logic in it.
The explanation of Jackson was "You only get one chance to investigate a crime scene." So, they left his body in the street for three hours, exposed.
You gotta hand it to those Ferguson boys. Everything they do is a friggin' disaster.
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According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, over the decade from 2003 to 2012, there were an average of 154 deaths, 57,892 assaults, and 15,483 injuries of LEOs. Information provided by the FBI.
I didn't use the a police officer's charity. I used FBI information directly. 154 deaths/year does not equal felony deaths, it's deaths on the job. That's everything from choking on a donut to felonious homicide. Compared to the average, Joe "Front Porch", I'd rather be wearing a badge.
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I didn't use the a police officer's charity. I used FBI information directly. 154 deaths/year does not equal felony deaths, it's deaths on the job. That's everything from choking on a donut to felonious homicide. Compared to the average, Joe "Front Porch", I'd rather be wearing a badge.
So the 57,000+ assaults is just chopped liver?
The hostility of some on the right toward the police in general, who almost always do an outstanding job, is similar to the left who despises all gun owners every time there's a shooting. There are around 120 thousand police officers armed and authorized to make arrests. Almost half of them are assaulted each year. There are 310 million people in this country and about 32 thousand homicides.
I'll take Joe "Front Porch".
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NOW THERE'S VIDEO== Michael Brown Robbing Ferguson Convenience Store
Watch it while it is still on the youtube..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uNw4sNm9c
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... the puddin' thickens. :pondering:
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NOW THERE'S VIDEO== Michael Brown Robbing Ferguson Convenience Store
Watch it while it is still on the youtube..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uNw4sNm9c
Does anyone know if this is the same store that was burned down?
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So the 57,000+ assaults is just chopped liver?
The hostility of some on the right toward the police in general, who almost always do an outstanding job, is similar to the left who despises all gun owners every time there's a shooting. There are around 120 thousand police officers armed and authorized to make arrests. Almost half of them are assaulted each year. There are 310 million people in this country and about 32 thousand homicides.
I'll take Joe "Front Porch".
What's the amount of assaults on non-LEOs? Again, LEOs did not suffer the misfortune of a net being thrown over them, dragged to a station and having a badge pinned on. There are many perks to being a boy in blue.
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I don't give a damn if he's purple. Once Brown was outside the cruiser, moving away, the confrontation was over. Every account of eyewitnesses were that there were multiple shots and his hands were in the air.
THAT is why there is no police account of this incident. The cop overreacted and committed manslaughter.
We aren't disagreeing, Sink. I said as much that the cop at a minimum is guilty of manslaughter...at a maximum, 2nd degree murder.
The cop was manhandled thru the car window...a shot was fired inside the cruiser.
Now if a 6 ft 4 in black man weighing almost 300 lbs touches me in a menacing manner and I'm a cop half his size? That MF is going down for good.
Trouble here is like you said.....35 ft. cuts into his claim of self-defense.
PS: Toobin on CNN tried to change it to "35 yards"
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NOW THERE'S VIDEO== Michael Brown Robbing Ferguson Convenience Store
Watch it while it is still on the youtube..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uNw4sNm9c
Mike Tobin as a reporter can sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. Yesterday he reported that civil rights groups were arriving including The New Black Panther Party. That's like calling the Mafia an economic cooperative.
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NOW THERE'S VIDEO== Michael Brown Robbing Ferguson Convenience Store
Watch it while it is still on the youtube..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3uNw4sNm9c
Smear campaign?? How can surveillance video of a robbery be called a smear campaign?
This changes the whole story.
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We aren't disagreeing, Sink. I said as much that the cop at a minimum is guilty of manslaughter...at a maximum, 2nd degree murder.
The cop was manhandled thru the car window...a shot was fired inside the cruiser.
Now is a 6 ft 4 in black man weighing almost 300 lbs touches me in a menacing manner and I'm a cop half his size? That MF is going down for good.
Trouble here is like you said.....35 ft. cuts into his claim of self-defense.
That may be what happened. Cop got scared with a 300 lb guy trying to take his gun or otherwise assault him, and he lost it. That would explain the "four-to-six shots" in the documents released today.
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What's the amount of assaults on non-LEOs? Again, LEOs did not suffer the misfortune of a net being thrown over them, dragged to a station and having a badge pinned on. There are many perks to being a boy in blue.
Well, there were 1.1 million aggravated assaults in the US in 2012. That's .035% of the population. Just a shade under the almost 50% assault rate on LEOs.
And yes, there are perks to being a LEO. There are also perks to being in the military. What's your point?
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Smear campaign?? How can surveillance video of a robbery be called a smear campaign?
This changes the whole story.
How? The robbery happened earlier. Brown was walking down the street, and the original story the cops told was that Wilson had told Brown and Darron Johnson to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.
NOW the story the cops are telling is that Wilson stopped Brown because he was a suspect in a robbery.
Which is it?
And, a cop doesn't get to shoot a suspect in a robbery. If Brown tried to assault the cop, then the cop had a right to defend himself.
But the fact that Brown was on the ground 35 feet away ON THE OTHER SIDE of the police car from the driver's side indicates that Brown was moving away from Wilson and that Wilson clearly shot him multiple times when he was no longer a threat.
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Well, there were 1.1 million aggravated assaults in the US in 2012. That's .035% of the population. Just a shade under the almost 50% assault rate on LEOs.
And yes, there are perks to being a LEO. There are also perks to being in the military. What's your point?
My point for the third time is, you're better off wearing a badge than not. Is there a way for me to provide a level of clarity that you may understand my simple point?
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My point for the third time is, you're better off wearing a badge than not. Is there a way for me to provide a level of clarity that you may understand my simple point?
Statistics on the dangers they face daily notwithstanding I suppose. And of course, there are the perks...
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Watch it while it is still on the youtube..................
Yep, that reporter said 35 yards instead of 35 feet...
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How? The robbery happened earlier. Brown was walking down the street, and the original story the cops told was that Wilson had told Brown and Darron Johnson to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.
NOW the story the cops are telling is that Wilson stopped Brown because he was a suspect in a robbery.
Which is it?
And, a cop doesn't get to shoot a suspect in a robbery. If Brown tried to assault the cop, then the cop had a right to defend himself.
But the fact that Brown was on the ground 35 feet away ON THE OTHER SIDE of the police car from the driver's side indicates that Brown was moving away from Wilson and that Wilson clearly shot him multiple times when he was no longer a threat.
IMO, that still doesn't constitute a 'smear campaign.' It's evidence.
If ALL of us would wait until the facts come out, accurately portraying what really happened, we could avoid jumping to conclusions, either against the police and for Brown, or against Brown and for the police.
Somebody wisely stated a few days ago (I think it may have been onc), that the truth is most likely in between what's being said right now.
I'm willing to wait before pouncing on anyone else with strong feelings about what may, or may not have happened.
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I'm a bit shocked by that photo of his body in the street, and I've seen the same from different angles. They have time to put police tape up but not cover the body? Maybe they just do fatality scenes differently out here in the west coast, but before the first news cameras show up it seems the bodies all have yellow plastic covering them up from public viewing. To leave him like that, in that neighborhood, I would have to question the logic in it.
What the photo seems to show is that he wasn't shot in the back, as the "eyewitnesses" claim. Blood is pooling under him, and not visible at all on his back.
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Now if a 6 ft 4 in black man weighing almost 300 lbs touches me in a menacing manner and I'm a cop half his size? That MF is going down for good.
Trouble here is like you said.....35 ft. cuts into his claim of self-defense.
PS: Toobin on CNN tried to change it to "35 yards"
Quick question. The photo of a body lying in the street doesn't seem to show an entry wound on his back. After being assaulted, isn't it also possible that this criminal was charging at the cop, who had already been beaten up and truly did fear for his life? Since there had already been an assault on the officer, wouldn't it make sense that if Brown was coming back at him, that the officer may have been yelling at him to stop. Once he didn't, the fatal shot was fired? Because from what I see, the blood is pooling underneath him, and his white shirt doesn't have a spot of blood on its back. This discredits any "eyewitness" testimony I've heard.
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Trouble here is like you said.....35 ft. cuts into his claim of self-defense.
35 ft isn't that far. You could cover that in less than 2 seconds.
Don't know why they chose to describe it as 35 ft instead of 'about 10 yards'. First of all, 35 feet is easily changed into 35 yards, as we've already seen.
Should have used 420 inches. Sounds much further away...
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Statistics on the dangers they face daily notwithstanding I suppose. And of course, there are the perks...
I'll take their rate of danger stats any day of the week.
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Should have used 420 inches. Sounds much further away...
Plus, Brown stole Swisher Sweets, and nobody that age buys Swisher Sweets for the tobacco in the cigar ... of course, using 420 as a distance would probably be considered racist and insensitive. :thud:
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Plus, Brown stole Swisher Sweets, and nobody that age buys Swisher Sweets for the tobacco in the cigar ... of course, using 420 as a distance would probably be considered racist and insensitive.
Some of the info just seems to be provided in a way that can easily be misinterpreted. It's almost like they wanted to inflame people's reaction and hoped for a riot.
I'm still not convinced that martial law wasn't the goal given the way things were reported...
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IMO, that still doesn't constitute a 'smear campaign.' It's evidence.
If ALL of us would wait until the facts come out, accurately portraying what really happened, we could avoid jumping to conclusions, either against the police and for Brown, or against Brown and for the police.
Somebody wisely stated a few days ago (I think it may have been onc), that the truth is most likely in between what's being said right now.
I'm willing to wait before pouncing on anyone else with strong feelings about what may, or may not have happened.
Evidence of what? That Brown stole some cigars? Yes. He did.
Guess what? OFFICER WILSON DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BROWN HAD DONE THAT!! So the two are not connected. Not in the least. The video was released cuz fat Jackson said "You guys in the media asked for it."
What? Now the timing of the release of a non-related video is dependent on when the media asks for it? That's silly. Fat Jackson released it because he was forced by the governor to release the name of the cop. So he decided he was going to release a video of Brown doing something that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING!!!
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Quick question. The photo of a body lying in the street doesn't seem to show an entry wound on his back. After being assaulted, isn't it also possible that this criminal was charging at the cop, who had already been beaten up and truly did fear for his life? Since there had already been an assault on the officer, wouldn't it make sense that if Brown was coming back at him, that the officer may have been yelling at him to stop. Once he didn't, the fatal shot was fired? Because from what I see, the blood is pooling underneath him, and his white shirt doesn't have a spot of blood on its back. This discredits any "eyewitness" testimony I've heard.
Which eyewitness has said he was shot in the back? Every one of them I've seen said he was shot as he was facing the cop, with his hands in the air.
And Brown was coming back? You mean, after he had encountered the cop in the car, there was a scuffle, a shot was fired while the cop was in the car and Brown ran to THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAR and was moving away? The eyewitnesses have said that Brown turned around and raised his hands. That should have been the end of it.
Instead, according to the witnesses, the officer shot Brown between four and six times.
And now, fat Chief Jackson decides to release a surveillance video which HE HAD BEEN SITTING ON at the same time he was forced to release the name of the cop. A video which has nothing to do with the shooting, since the chief said in the most recent news conference that Wilson didn't even know about the robbery.
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Evidence of what? That Brown stole some cigars? Yes. He did.
Guess what? OFFICER WILSON DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BROWN HAD DONE THAT!! So the two are not connected. Not in the least.
Prove it.
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Evidence of what? That Brown stole some cigars? Yes. He did.
He also assaulted the store owner, who then called the police.
Guess what? OFFICER WILSON DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BROWN HAD DONE THAT!! So the two are not connected. Not in the least. The video was released cuz fat Jackson said "You guys in the media asked for it."
Brown knew he had done it, though. If Wilson did not, that's even worse for the officer, which becomes apparent when Brown starts assaulting the officer in the cop car. How do we know Wilson didn't know, though? He was in the area, and the store owner had called the cops describing the man who stole from him and assaulted him.
What? Now the timing of the release of a non-related video is dependent on when the media asks for it? That's silly.
I'm guessing the video was released now because Ferguson PD wanted to make sure that it was indeed Brown and Johnson in the video. Unlike you, they seem to have wanted to verify things. I'm waiting for photos of the cop to be released, since there are rumors he was beaten fairly bad.
Fat Jackson released it because he was forced by the governor to release the name of the cop. So he decided he was going to release a video of Brown doing something that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING!!!
You're unhinged. Name-calling and ALL CAPS tells me you're posting from emotion, and not from reason.
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Which eyewitness has said he was shot in the back? Every one of them I've seen said he was shot as he was facing the cop, with his hands in the air.
Oh really? You might want to watch the actual video interview of Dorian Johnson, too, because if you haven't seen this 2-day old testimony, I wonder why you're even posting about this. You are clearly ignorant to the eyewitness testimony.
"The second time he says, 'I'll shoot,' a second later the gun went off and he let go," Johnson said. "That's how we were able to run at the same time. The first car I see, I ducked behind for because I fear for my life. I'm scared. I don't know what's going on. I don't understand why this officer is shooting his weapon at us."
According to Johnson, the officer pursued Brown and fired another shot, which struck Brown in the back. He said Brown turned and faced the officer with his hands raised.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-missouri-teen-shooting-witness/13992387/
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Prove it.
Chief Jackson said that Wilson was not aware of the robbery in his news conference at 2:00.
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He also assaulted the store owner, who then called the police.
Brown knew he had done it, though. If Wilson did not, that's even worse for the officer, which becomes apparent when Brown starts assaulting the officer in the cop car. How do we know Wilson didn't know, though? He was in the area, and the store owner had called the cops describing the man who stole from him and assaulted him.
I'm guessing the video was released now because Ferguson PD wanted to make sure that it was indeed Brown and Johnson in the video. Unlike you, they seem to have wanted to verify things. I'm waiting for photos of the cop to be released, since there are rumors he was beaten fairly bad.
You're unhinged. Name-calling and ALL CAPS tells me you're posting from emotion, and not from reason.
Not unhinged. Factual. You don't even know what's going on.
Do you know, now, that the cop was not black, that he's white?
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Oh really? You might want to watch the actual video interview of Dorian Johnson, too, because if you haven't seen this 2-day old testimony, I wonder why you're even posting about this. You are clearly ignorant to the eyewitness testimony.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-missouri-teen-shooting-witness/13992387/
Do we know that no shot hit Brown in the back? The cops haven't released the autopsy results. You are commenting on the basis of what you observe in a photo.
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Do we know that no shot hit Brown in the back? The cops haven't released the autopsy results. You are commenting on the basis of what you observe in a photo.
You just said that none of the eyewitnesses said Brown was shot in the back. :nono:
Quote from: sinkspur on Today at 04:54:46 PM
Which eyewitness has said he was shot in the back? Every one of them I've seen said he was shot as he was facing the cop, with his hands in the air.
Now that you've been proven wrong on that fact, you switch your story. It's hard to take you seriously in this thread. You're jumping all over the place. :seeya:
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You just said that none of the eyewitnesses said Brown was shot in the back. :nono:
Now that you've been proven wrong on that fact, you switch your story. It's hard to take you seriously in this thread. You're jumping all over the place. :seeya:
You do know the cop is white, right?
The cops have their version of what happened, but haven't put it out. How come?
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Evidence of what? That Brown stole some cigars? Yes. He did.
Guess what? OFFICER WILSON DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BROWN HAD DONE THAT!! So the two are not connected. Not in the least. The video was released cuz fat Jackson said "You guys in the media asked for it."
What? Now the timing of the release of a non-related video is dependent on when the media asks for it? That's silly. Fat Jackson released it because he was forced by the governor to release the name of the cop. So he decided he was going to release a video of Brown doing something that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING!!!
Ummmm...............I do believe that you're seriously overreacting to the fact that I said we should WAIT until all the facts are in to draw any conclusions.
That's what I'm doing. I'm not taking sides until I know what happened.
Sorry that it made you so angry that I said so.
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You do know the cop is white, right?
Yes, I did know that. I posted before it was known that it doesn't matter what race the cop was, too.
The cops have their version of what happened, but haven't put it out. How come?
Probably because they are still getting testimony from witnesses, seeing what corroborates, and are seeking, or have, witnesses who tell a different story. Of course, in the iPhone era, people need their information easily.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/robbery-not-related-to-why-michael-brown-was-initially-stopped-by-ferguson/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/robbery-not-related-to-why-michael-brown-was-initially-stopped-by-ferguson/)
Robbery ‘not related’ to why Michael Brown was initially stopped by Ferguson police
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The internet has provided a playground, for the instant "crime solvers" to play,
usually reaching conclusions, long before all the available facts are made public.
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The internet has provided a playground, for the instant "crime solvers" to play,
usually reaching conclusions, long before all the available facts are made public.
Indeed it has.
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One of the good things that will come out of this Ferguson incident is that there is bipartisan support in Congress to shut off the Pentagon distribution of military equipment to local police departments.
Except they should also go further and confiscate MWRAPS and the more over-the-top weapons (like submachine guns) that are in the possession of these LEOs. It is ridiculous to see a small town like Ferguson trotting out mall ninjas in their full camouflage to combat what? Black people walking down the street?
My little town has 42,000 residents. We have an MWRAP (never used) and a 40 member SWAT team that has been called out once since it was formed in 2007 and that was to surround a house with a man inside who was threatening to kill himself. Ridiculous.
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/police-chief-shot-was-fired-officers-car-death-michael-brown (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/police-chief-shot-was-fired-officers-car-death-michael-brown)
Police Chief: Shot Fired in Officer's Car Before Death of Michael Brown
Ferguson, Mo., Police Chief Thomas Jackson confirmed on Hannity that a shot was fired inside a police officer's vehicle during a struggle that ultimately resulted in the death of an unarmed black teenager.
Jackson said there was a struggle for the officer's gun before 18-year-old Michael Brown was fatally shot by the officer.
He could not say whether there are witnesses who will confirm the shot going off in the car or that the struggle occurred. Hannity asked whether, as some witnesses have stated, as many as 10 shots were fired by the officer.
"It's possible that that many shots were fired," said Jackson.
He said that a true picture of the incident will emerge once all of the witnesses are interviewed. The St. Louis County police are now handling the investigation.
Jackson said authorities will not publicly identify the officer out of safety concerns. He noted that another officer was wrongly named as the one involved and that officer quickly received death threats and his Facebook page was hacked.
Jackson said "a lot of outside agitators" are responsible for the violent protests that have happened in recent days, but credited community leaders in Ferguson for emphasizing the need for peaceful demonstrations.
Meanwhile, witnesses have told a much different story about what occurred. Peter Johnson Jr. went over the account of Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown, on Fox and Friends.
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http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/details-witness-accounts-vs-police-version-michael-brown-shooting (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/details-witness-accounts-vs-police-version-michael-brown-shooting)
DETAILS: Witness Accounts vs. Police Version of Michael Brown Shooting
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FOX NEWS INSIDER
// AUG 14 2014 // 9:13AM AS SEEN ON
FOX AND FRIENDS
On Hannity last night, we heard the police chief's account of what happened before a policeman fatally shot an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri. Thomas Jackson said that there was a struggle between 18-year-old Michael Brown and the officer, leaving the officer with injuries to his face.
He said at one point, the officer's gun went off inside his vehicle in the altercation with Brown.
Witnesses, however, have given starkly different accounts and Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. broke them down this morning.
Here's the version of events given by Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown.
- The officer told the two men to get on the sidewalk.
- Officer tried to open his car door, but could not because the two men were so close to his vehicle.
- Officer grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him into the car.
- Officer pulled out his weapon and fired, hitting Brown.
- The men ran and the officer pursued, shooting again.
- Brown got down on the ground, put his hands in the air and yelled, "I don't have a gun. Stop shooting!"
- Officer stood over Brown and fired several more shots.
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Officer stood over Brown and fired several more shots.
Sorry I don't believe a word of that!!!!
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Ferguson isn't a "small town." It's a city within a major metropolitan area.
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A city within a major metropolitan area that also has a beefed-up militarized police force.
Ferguson has 21, 000 people. I'm guessing the ratio of police-citizens is way above that of comparable cities.
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I'll take their rate of danger stats any day of the week.
Yeah, I'm not good with math at all, but for some reason I'll take 1/3 of one percent over 50 percent...
In our small county, we had two deputies shot down within a two month period, during routine traffic stops. And of course they weren't loaded with body armor, weapons drawn and backed up. Every police officer faces this danger every day of his or her shift. And unlike some critics of the police here, they usually don't choke to death over donuts.
Unlike "Joe front porch", every police officer is bound to a significantly higher standard of proof, and rightly so. But like Trayvon Martin, this recent black saintly gentle giant who was a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing more than a victim of a white racist police state. Perhaps to save tax dollars, we can move directly to the penalty phase for this police officer.
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No way to know the validity of this, but it's as plausible (or more so, IMO) as Wilson shooting a Gentle Giant in cold blood in front of numerous witnesses. I also want to see the toxicology reports from the coroner, because as I've earlier stated, almost nobody that age steals Swisher Sweets because they like the tobacco.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/exclusive-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-speaks-out-on-shooting-of-mike-brown-audio/
“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”
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Dana says the caller was vetted.
More… Earlier this week the police said the toxicology report will take four weeks to complete
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Should a major riot take place in a major metro area, expect the ghetto dwellers to march into the better areas.
I want a very, very well armed and equipped force, for that possibility. If that means taking hand-me-down vehicles and other aids, it is fine.
My city is 200,000 and part of a major metro area of over 10 million. Because we are a youth "play destination," we have had several riots.
But if a Rodney King type event takes place, expect and plan for the folks with perpetual grievances, to bring them to your quiet suburb.
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Yeah, I'm not good with math at all, but for some reason I'll take 1/3 of one percent over 50 percent...
In our small county, we had two deputies shot down within a two month period, during routine traffic stops. And of course they weren't loaded with body armor, weapons drawn and backed up. Every police officer faces this danger every day of his or her shift. And unlike some critics of the police here, they usually don't choke to death over donuts.
Unlike "Joe front porch", every police officer is bound to a significantly higher standard of proof, and rightly so. But like Trayvon Martin, this recent black saintly gentle giant who was a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing more than a victim of a white racist police state. Perhaps to save tax dollars, we can move directly to the penalty phase for this police officer.
Agree with everything, MAC.
Doesn't matter what the perp had just done. He could have been standing over his dead victim...blood dripping off the knife. Soon as he drops the weapon and drops to his knees with his hands up in the air...police officer must immediately go back to DEFCON 3.
Dirty Harry on the 50 yard line stepping on the serial killer's wounded leg comes to mind. LOL!
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No way to know the validity of this, but it's as plausible (or more so, IMO) as Wilson shooting a Gentle Giant in cold blood in front of numerous witnesses. I also want to see the toxicology reports from the coroner, because as I've earlier stated, almost nobody that age steals Swisher Sweets because they like the tobacco.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/exclusive-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-speaks-out-on-shooting-of-mike-brown-audio/
Thanks, Carling. That's the first really plausible explanation I've seen. And if the toxicology reports come back with some evidence of impairment, I'd be very willing to believe it happened just that way.
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No way to know the validity of this, but it's as plausible (or more so, IMO) as Wilson shooting a Gentle Giant in cold blood in front of numerous witnesses. I also want to see the toxicology reports from the coroner, because as I've earlier stated, almost nobody that age steals Swisher Sweets because they like the tobacco.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/exclusive-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-speaks-out-on-shooting-of-mike-brown-audio/
Pot smokers don't bum rush police. My guess is that he was high on PCP or something.
....and he may have listened to too much violent rap music and wasn't uh, living in the moment. :police:
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Pot smokers don't bum rush police. My guess is that he was high on PCP or something.
....and he may have listened to too much violent rap music and wasn't uh, living in the moment. :police:
I didn't say it was because he was on marijuana. I'm positive toxicology will show pot. I'd be shocked if there was no THC in his system. What I'm wondering is what was the pot he and friends smoked laced with ... PCP seems likely. I also don't think he had just smoked in between stealing the cigars and getting shot. Looking at the video, he was clearly agitated even at the market where he assaulted the shop owner, and was showing signs of being under the influence of PCP.
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I didn't say it was because he was on marijuana. I'm positive toxicology will show pot. I'd be shocked if there was no THC in his system. What I'm wondering is what was the pot he and friends smoked laced with ... PCP seems likely. I also don't think he had just smoked. Looking at the video, he was clearly agitated even at the market where he assaulted the shop owner.
LOL! We were talking about the reason they stole the cigarellos...not to smoke but to fill them with marijuana. Sorry that wasn't clear.
He was either agitated, or filled with a sense of bravado. He just assaulted a shop owner. Still had the bunch of cigarellos in his hand when the cop told them to freeze.
They were on their way, walking in the middle of the street.
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Doesn't matter what the perp had just done. He could have been standing over his dead victim...blood dripping off the knife. Soon as he drops the weapon and drops to his knees with his hands up in the air...police officer must immediately go back to DEFCON 3.
What does this have to do with the Brown shooting?
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Sorry I don't believe a word of that!!!!
The way police are behaving in this day and age I'm not sure its a lie
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Agree with everything, MAC.
Doesn't matter what the perp had just done. He could have been standing over his dead victim...blood dripping off the knife. Soon as he drops the weapon and drops to his knees with his hands up in the air...police officer must immediately go back to DEFCON 3.
Dirty Harry on the 50 yard line stepping on the serial killer's wounded leg comes to mind. LOL!
Absolutely...well with the exception of Harry Callahan. **nononono*
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What does this have to do with the Brown shooting?
???
The cop was obviously under an adrenaline rush after having this lovable giant put his hands on him and going for his gun inside the cruiser.
As soon as the kid stopped and turned around and fell to his knees, the cop was supposed to 'forget' what just happened and calmly take him into custody.
.....yeah.....like any of us in here would have. :whistle:
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The cop was obviously under an adrenaline rush after having this lovable giant put his hands on him and going for his gun inside the cruiser.
As soon as the kid stopped and turned around and fell to his knees, the cop was supposed to 'forget' what just happened and calmly take him into custody.
.....yeah.....like any of us in here would have. :whistle:
Who said the Gentle Giant dropped to his knees and put his hands in the air? His accomplice in the store robbery?
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One of the good things that will come out of this Ferguson incident is that there is bipartisan support in Congress to shut off the Pentagon distribution of military equipment to local police departments.
Except they should also go further and confiscate MWRAPS and the more over-the-top weapons (like submachine guns) that are in the possession of these LEOs. It is ridiculous to see a small town like Ferguson trotting out mall ninjas in their full camouflage to combat what? Black people walking down the street?
My little town has 42,000 residents. We have an MWRAP (never used) and a 40 member SWAT team that has been called out once since it was formed in 2007 and that was to surround a house with a man inside who was threatening to kill himself. Ridiculous.
don't hold your breath
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Does the fact that Brown appears to have been involved in a robbery give the police free reign to shoot him dead?
Nope. But there seems to be a little more involved here.
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Nope. But there seems to be a little more involved here.
That's what I was referring to when I called the video "evidence" above.
Evidence that there was much more going on than we have been led to believe.
And even more of a reason to wait for the information to all be accumulated before either condemning, or exonerating the police officer, or Brown.
In my humble opinion, that is.. ^-^
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Yeah, I'm not good with math at all, but for some reason I'll take 1/3 of one percent over 50 percent...
In our small county, we had two deputies shot down within a two month period, during routine traffic stops. And of course they weren't loaded with body armor, weapons drawn and backed up. Every police officer faces this danger every day of his or her shift. And unlike some critics of the police here, they usually don't choke to death over donuts.
Unlike "Joe front porch", every police officer is bound to a significantly higher standard of proof, and rightly so. But like Trayvon Martin, this recent black saintly gentle giant who was a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize is nothing more than a victim of a white racist police state. Perhaps to save tax dollars, we can move directly to the penalty phase for this police officer.
1. I see through your statistics game you're trying to play. A subset of a subset.
2. Yeah, Heaven forbid you question a badge.
3. Lose a debate, move to hyperbole. Typical Leftist tactic.
On your way.
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ONC - MAC isn't exactly leftist. There are people way further to the left than he is, even on here. I'm one of them.
What I am objecting to in this case is "Trial by media." Brown could have been the biggest scumbag on the planet, but the reflexive reaction is to blame the cop in these cases. Think of the Trayvon case. Zimmerman was convicted in the court of public opinion before he'd even been arrested - all for two idiots confronting each other and one winding up dead.
Innocent until proven guilty is the rule. I wish the 24/7 news cycle would remember that. :shrug:
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ONC - MAC isn't exactly leftist. There are people way further to the left than he is, even on here. I'm one of them.
What I am objecting to in this case is "Trial by media." Brown could have been the biggest scumbag on the planet, but the reflexive reaction is to blame the cop in these cases. Think of the Trayvon case. Zimmerman was convicted in the court of public opinion before he'd even been arrested - all for two idiots confronting each other and one winding up dead.
Innocent until proven guilty is the rule. I wish the 24/7 news cycle would remember that. :shrug:
Actually, except to say (paraphrasing) "I can't tell if it's the same person based upon grainy photographs.". I didn't make a comment one way or the other about the suspect or the president's comments. MAC said something about my support of a racist police state or something like that. I didn't make any such comment or implication but hey.
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ONC - MAC isn't exactly leftist. There are people way further to the left than he is, even on here. I'm one of them.
What I am objecting to in this case is "Trial by media." Brown could have been the biggest scumbag on the planet, but the reflexive reaction is to blame the cop in these cases. Think of the Trayvon case. Zimmerman was convicted in the court of public opinion before he'd even been arrested - all for two idiots confronting each other and one winding up dead.
Innocent until proven guilty is the rule. I wish the 24/7 news cycle would remember that. :shrug:
And then basically stated by my position I supported the deaths of local deputies?
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Actually, except to say (paraphrasing) "I can't tell if it's the same person based upon grainy photographs.". I didn't make a comment one way or the other about the suspect or the president's comments. On a bitch move on her part, MAC said something about my support of a racist police state or something like that. I didn't make any such comment or implication but hey, I guess her husband is a cop or something.
BTW, MACVSOG68 is a man....in the truest sense of the word. :police:
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Actually, except to say (paraphrasing) "I can't tell if it's the same person based upon grainy photographs.". I didn't make a comment one way or the other about the suspect or the president's comments. On a bitch move on her part, MAC said something about my support of a racist police state or something like that. I didn't make any such comment or implication but hey, I guess her husband is a cop or something.
Trust me - MAC is most definitely male. The presence of a husband is up to him though! :beer:
You two got at cross purposes over this. Something that would never happen in a bar, where you can see each others faces and body language. Emotions are running a bit high about Ferguson, for obvious reasons. We got what seems to be an out of control cop shooting an unarmed man who was running away, a bunch of rioters and looters, overly armed SWAT teams (shit - we don't wear that much gear in a hot zone) and the usual race baiters running their mouths. It's a mess and a half.
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1. I see through your statistics game you're trying to play. A subset of a subset.
2. Yeah, Heaven forbid you question a badge.
3. Lose a debate, move to hyperbole. Typical Leftist tactic.
On your way.
1. Well we were using FBI statistics to compare the dangers to a police officer and to a regular citizen. You wanted to use FBI stats, and so we did. Sorry if they didn't work out for you.
2. If you bothered reading my posts you would have seen that I wrote police must be held to a higher standard than civilians. And I also said that the officer who did the shooting should most definitely be held accountable if the he did what has been alleged.
3. I frequently lose debates...but the hyperbole?
And then she basically stated by my position I supported the deaths of her local deputies? She's outrageous!
No, you are wrong. I provided the anecdote to support my position that police officers are always in danger. If you took that as in anyway relating to your feelings about the police, that's an issue for you to work out. I try hard to stay away from relating anything about a poster.
On a bitch move on her part, MAC said something about my support of a racist police state or something like that. I didn't make any such comment or implication but hey, I guess her husband is a cop or something.
Huh? You really do have some personal issues and demons to deal with. You take care.
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Trust me - MAC is most definitely male. The presence of a husband is up to him though! :beer:
LOL. My wife Carol would be most unhappy if I had a husband somewhere... :beer:
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BTW, MACVSOG68 is a man....in the truest sense of the word. :police:
:patriot:
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LOL. My wife Carol would be most unhappy if I had a husband somewhere... :beer:
Are you sure your wife's name isn't "Carl?" Hmmmmmm?
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Trust me - MAC is most definitely male. The presence of a husband is up to him though! :beer:
You two got at cross purposes over this. Something that would never happen in a bar, where you can see each others faces and body language. Emotions are running a bit high about Ferguson, for obvious reasons. We got what seems to be an out of control cop shooting an unarmed man who was running away, a bunch of rioters and looters, overly armed SWAT teams (shit - we don't wear that much gear in a hot zone) and the usual race baiters running their mouths. It's a mess and a half.
As we saw in the Zimmerman case - the media and Obama & Co leapt to action and stirred up as much shit as they could. The usual suspects showed up to loot and ululate in front of the cameras - and it gets pretty predictable after that.
I agree with Gourmet Dan that the Democrats need an "event" before the election - at least one - although I'd bet that they have several cooked up to cover all bases. This gets everyone talking about something else. If I had the inclination, I'd map all of these "events" out. It seems to me they happen when everyone is downin' on Obama - bad news everywhere - and usually Obama goes on vacation. I think there is a pattern in there somewhere......
We've done pretty good so far, haven't taken the bait, but I fear the time when they give up waiting for us and insert someone in an event that will do something to frame the tea party movement - which is heavily in the cross-hairs of both parties.
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ONC - MAC isn't exactly leftist. There are people way further to the left than he is, even on here. I'm one of them.
What I am objecting to in this case is "Trial by media." Brown could have been the biggest scumbag on the planet, but the reflexive reaction is to blame the cop in these cases. Think of the Trayvon case. Zimmerman was convicted in the court of public opinion before he'd even been arrested - all for two idiots confronting each other and one winding up dead.
Innocent until proven guilty is the rule. I wish the 24/7 news cycle would remember that. :shrug:
Brown very well may be a scum bag but when you get cases like this http://news.yahoo.com/police-officers-beat-homeless-schizophrenic-man-death-found-034750473.html;_ylt=A0LEVxaBbe9Tw1YAfZ9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzcmM4dTUwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTU5M18x
or the shooting of family pets I see the police as a potential enemy :shrug:
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I agree with Gourmet Dan that the Democrats need an "event" before the election - at least one - although I'd bet that they have several cooked up to cover all bases.
I think the whole immigrant crisis was another "event" that was cooked up to be exploited, and it, like Ferguson, is blowing up in their faces.
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Are you sure your wife's name isn't "Carl?" Hmmmmmm?
LOL. I just asked her and she told me "I don't think that's funny!" :tongue2:
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Brown very well may be a scum bag but when you get cases like this or the shooting of family pets I see the police as a potential enemy :shrug:
There are bad cops. Just the same as there are bad hookers and decent burglars. I saw an honest lawyer once, but that might have just been the meds talking. :laugh:
I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time though. It's a stressing job, no time to plan - usually - and since they are locals, mistakes are never forgotten and rarely forgiven.
It's the fundamental difference between police work and military. We are proactive, they are reactive. It has to be that way, and it's why ex-forces make exceptionally shitty cops, in the main. We'll plan things out and maybe do two things a night. They cover everything from lost kids, to some bleep beating his girlfriend into a new and interesting shade of purple, to murder, to someone driving away from the gas station without paying.
I'm honestly surprised that anyone would take the job.
Bad cops need cleaning out. Not going to argue there. Most of them want to do what it says on their cars though. Protect and Serve.
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I think the whole immigrant crisis was another "event" that was cooked up to be exploited, and it, like Ferguson, is blowing up in their faces.
It can ALWAYS be said that if you give enough rope to a liberal, they will hang themselves. They always go too far.
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There are bad cops. Just the same as there are bad hookers and decent burglars. I saw an honest lawyer once, but that might have just been the meds talking. :laugh:
I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time though. It's a stressing job, no time to plan - usually - and since they are locals, mistakes are never forgotten and rarely forgiven.
It's the fundamental difference between police work and military. We are proactive, they are reactive. It has to be that way, and it's why ex-forces make exceptionally shitty cops, in the main. We'll plan things out and maybe do two things a night. They cover everything from lost kids, to some bleep beating his girlfriend into a new and interesting shade of purple, to murder, to someone driving away from the gas station without paying.
I'm honestly surprised that anyone would take the job.
Bad cops need cleaning out. Not going to argue there. Most of them want to do what it says on their cars though. Protect and Serve.
Nicely said EC.
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LOL. I just asked her and she told me "I don't think that's funny!" :tongue2:
My apologies on the unsolicited gender reaasignment.
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My apologies on the unsolicited gender reaasignment.
You kidding? We are going to tease him about it for years now! :silly:
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My apologies on the unsolicited gender reaasignment.
Apology accepted. Thanks.
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You kidding? We are going to tease him about it for years now! :silly:
:baby:
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:baby:
Make that decades ..... :whistle:
Edit: There are some who have not been privileged to serve. Know this well - we rib each other constantly. It's a way of staying sane. We'll also remove rib cages from someone who doesn't have the right. We're an odd bunch.
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Investigations take time. They do not happen in days like you have repeatedly said. Forensic experts need to check the entry points of the bullet wounds, distance of impact of bullet wounds, angles etc. It takes time. It is not to protect anyone. Did the officer know Brown was a suspect? I imagine there will be records of calls made by the police dispatch minutes before the shooting and right after the robbery. Also, we need to wait to see what injuries Wilson had from the scuffle. Some of the witnesses already have lawyers in this case, and I do not trust witnesses that have their own lawyers. Like in the Zimmerman case, I ask why a witness would need a lawyer, except to make sure their version matches the one the race peddlers are selling.
Maybe the officer was wrong in this case. We will have to WAIT to find out after all the evidence is collected and not just statements given to the press that cannot be verified by physical evidence. Do not convict the officer yet. Convict after the evidence is all in and it supports the conclusion of a wrongful action.
What is wrong is the rioting by thugs and the immediate condemnation of officers by some.
You make very good points cuky. These rioters and looters and media whores are professional rabble-rousers - it's their job to stir shit. It's a pattern, you'd think more people would catch on by now.
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I heard there was ten minutes, from the store strong arm robbery, to his death.
His death followed involvement with a police officer, who allegedly advised the deceased to get out of the middle of the street.
How about the deceased was on a "I'm going to do what I want to do, not what some cop tells me to do" stint, first stealing, then defying authority.
Could his toxicology tests reveal mind-altering substances in his system?
He apparently had an attitude problem at the time of the incident. Defy authority.
It will be awhile until we learn the FULL extent of the cop's story.
After being told to get out of the middle of the street, did the deceased walk over to the officer in his car?
Did the deceased then reach in through the window, and assault the officer? Did the officer then defend himself against assault?
Was the deceased ever inside the vehicle? Was the deceased ever under control by the officer? Under arrest?
Was the officer trying to put the deceased into the vehicle? The deceased resisted, broke free? Shot(s) fired when?
Ghetto dwellers often start with very anti-authoritarian attitudes and behaviors. Fuel that with mind-altering substances, a hot day, and you get an idea about what an urban cop is up against every day.
Complying with an officer's instruction to "get out of the street" would equal being too white.
The entire outcome will hinge on what took place between the officer's verbal instruction (request, order?) to get out of the street, and perhaps less than 60 seconds later, the fatal shot being fired.
What transpired between? Almost everything now is conjecture. Much of the conjecture is based on false information (cop is black). Deceased is a cherub (not).
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Make that decades ..... :whistle:
Edit: There are some who have not been privileged to serve. Know this well - we rib each other constantly. It's a way of staying sane. We'll also remove rib cages from someone who doesn't have the right. We're an odd bunch.
I think we both failed that test... *bouche*
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Here's a pointer to a very interesting account -
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
In essence, there seems to be a tape that confirms the officer's version of the story. The video is of the shooting, and there's a background conversation between two guys where one describes Brown's actions. It very much sounds like Brown was the aggressor, going after the policeman, and seemingly high on PCP or the like.
Shades of Trayvon & Zimmerman indeed!
My suspicion is that this tape won't get much serious attention from the press or investigators. :shrug:
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Listened on the radio to the (black) Missouri Highway Patrol Chief, who has been put in charge. Very impressive individual. Cool, patient, firm.
But the only acceptable outcome is for a white person to be arrested and convicted because a black man was killed. Period, no discussion, no facts needed.
The Governor did quite well, also. Curfew, 12 am to 5 am.
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You make very good points cuky. These rioters and looters and media whores are professional rabble-rousers - it's their job to stir shit. It's a pattern, you'd think more people would catch on by now.
looters should be shot on site