The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: EC on February 19, 2017, 12:43:33 pm
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Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, advised Americans to take President Trump’s attacks on the media “seriously,” following the president’s denunciations of the press as the “enemy.”
“There’s been a debate about when to take the president seriously,” CBS’ John Dickerson said in a “Face the Nation” interview with Priebus Saturday. “He recently tweeted that the press was the enemy of the American people. Should we take that seriously from him?”
“Well, I think you should take it seriously,” Priebus replied. “I think that the problem we’ve got is that we’re talking about bogus stories like the one in the New York Times, that we’ve had constant contact with Russian officials. The next day, the Wall Street Journal had a story that the intel community was not giving the president a full intelligence briefing. Both stories grossly inaccurate, overstated, overblown, and it’s total garbage.”
Sources told CBS News there is a “chill” in the flow of intelligence to the White House, both because of comments from the president about the intelligence community and anxiety over the handling of sensitive information about Russian interference in the 2016 election.
The chief of staff continued to hammer the press for its coverage, saying “the American people suffer” because of it.
“I do think it’s a problem,” Priebus added. “And I think that the media needs to, in some cases -- not every case, John -- but in some cases really needs to get its act together.”
When Dickerson asked again whether the press was necessarily “the enemy,” Priebus responded: “I think that the media should stop with this unnamed source stuff. Put names on a piece of paper and print it. If people aren’t willing to put their name next to a quote, then the quote shouldn’t be listed.”
Priebus went on to say that the major story out of the White House is a “story of accomplishment,” pointing to the administration’s work in pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, issuing executive actions, and nominating a Supreme Court justice, among other things.
Dickerson then asked how the chief of staff would respond to anyone that could “act on that declaration by the president” that the press was the “enemy.”
“I don’t know what you mean by act on it,” Priebus said. “I mean, certainly we would never condone violence. But I do think that we condone critical thought.”
More: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-chief-of-staff-says-take-trump-seriously-press-is-the-enemy/
Preibus actually impressed me with these comments - something I thought about as likely as Fat Boy doing so. :shrug:
Of course, he agrees with me about "names or don't run it." :tongue2:
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He can't call somebody the enemy if he doesn't intend to do something about it, so what is the little boy going to do about the enemy?
I happen to think Trump is a lying treasonous piece of garbage. That makes me the enemy. Does he have the man parts to do anything about it or is he the coward I believe him to be?
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He can't call somebody the enemy if he doesn't intend to do something about it, so what is the little boy going to do about the enemy?
I happen to think Trump is a lying treasonous piece of garbage. That makes me the enemy. Does he have the man parts to do anything about it or is he the coward I believe him to be?
I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
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I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
Exactly. If he's going to slap his gums together about the media every day, he needs to back it up somehow. If he can't do it within the constitution he needs to STFU.
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Exactly. If he's going to slap his gums together about the media every day, he needs to back it up somehow. If he can't do it within the constitution he needs to STFU.
The President IS acting within the Constitution @Cripplecreek He is free to ridicule the press and call out their lies.
Since you seem so unhappy that Trump is not "backing up" his ridicule---exactly what would you like him to do?
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The President IS acting within the Constitution @Cripplecreek He is free to ridicule the press and call out their lies.
Since you seem so unhappy that Trump is not "backing up" his ridicule---exactly what would you like him to do?
Would you oppose Trump if he moved to silence the media?
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The President IS acting within the Constitution @Cripplecreek He is free to ridicule the press and call out their lies.
Since you seem so unhappy that Trump is not "backing up" his ridicule---exactly what would you like him to do?
It is going to get old real soon.
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I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
All President Trump can do effectively, is to make more Americans aware of the BS being passed out as 'News', and their attempt to paint him as a monster of sorts.
And he's doing it. Effectively. :laugh:
They already have LOWER approval numbers than Congress, which was pathetic by itself.
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Exactly. If he's going to slap his gums together about the media every day, he needs to back it up somehow. If he can't do it within the constitution he needs to STFU.
I'm guessing you didn't go to church this morning.... :shrug:
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I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
So what's unconstitutional about complaining? Is using the "Bully Pulpit" Unconstitutional?
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I happen to think Trump is a lying treasonous piece of garbage. That makes me the enemy. Does he have the man parts to do anything about it or is he the coward I believe him to be?
@mystery-ak why do you allow comments like the above?
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@mystery-ak why do you allow comments like the above?
He has a right to his opinion re any public figure..if it was directed at a TBR member that would be another matter.
Although he could tone it down a little.. @Cripplecreek
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Would you oppose Trump if he moved to silence the media?
Winning. Trump is encouraging MORE media participation, including taking a question from an Orthodox Jew during his press conference.
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@mystery-ak why do you allow comments like the above?
Imagine, if you will,...not long ago, when those type of comments were run-of-the-mill and expressed by a confident majority?
Now @Cripplecreek has become a caricature of himself.
Thank you, Jesus! :0001:
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Would you oppose Trump if he moved to silence the media?
Of course! WTH is wrong with you, boy? :laugh:
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He has a right to his opinion re any public figure..if it was directed at a TBR member that would be another matter.
In a civilized society a certain level of civility is expected and enforced. Comments by @Cripplecreek and others about Trump would have them expelled on just about every conservative/republican site I know of. "piece of garbage", "man parts to do anything", "is he the coward I believe".
Allowing this level of hate daily in post after post after post leads me to conclude that this is a NeverTrump site, not a conservative or republican site. From now on then I post here it will be with the knowledge that I am in hostel territory just like at DU and Huffington Post.
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In a civilized society a certain level of civility is expected and enforced. Comments by @Cripplecreek and others about Trump would have them expelled on just about every conservative/republican site I know of. "piece of garbage", "man parts to do anything", "is he the coward I believe".
Allowing this level of hate daily in post after post after post leads me to conclude that this is a NeverTrump site, not a conservative or republican site. From now on then I post here it will be with the knowledge that I am in hostel territory just like at DU and Huffington Post.
It's not that bad in here anymore, @jpsb Take it easy.
The few diehards in here are easy to ignore...figuratively.
They're like the street people holding cardboard signs on the intersection median...part of the landscape.
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In a civilized society a certain level of civility is expected and enforced. Comments by @Cripplecreek and others about Trump would have them expelled on just about every conservative/republican site I know of. "piece of garbage", "man parts to do anything", "is he the coward I believe".
Allowing this level of hate daily in post after post after post leads me to conclude that this is a NeverTrump site, not a conservative or republican site. From now on then I post here it will be with the knowledge that I am in hostel territory just like at DU and Huffington Post.
I must have missed your similar concerns with posts directed at Obama or McCain for instance.
I do not agree with CC's views re Trump but this is an open forum where members can speak their minds without fear I will ban them for it.
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I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
I want the public to take what the MSM led by AP, Rooters & the NYT puts out with a grain of salt. They aren't what they used to be but they still set the context for political discussion.
If Trump constantly pointing out their dishonesty, or partisanship, has the effect of ending that then great.
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I'm not a fan of the media, however, I happen to be quite fond of the US Constitution.
I'm getting tired of the complaining about the media, yet I hear nothing in what should be done.
So tell me what do you want Trump to do about the media??
:amen: And what should be done about the Media? Not a damn thing. Controlling the media or punishing them until they fall in line is what dictators do.
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Ole Rinse and Repeat just carrying the swamp water to the people.
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He has a right to his opinion re any public figure..if it was directed at a TBR member that would be another matter.
Although he could tone it down a little.. @Cripplecreek
I am simply going to offer the following:
I am finding it increasingly difficult to frequent a message board inhabited by mutually hostile and polarized camps.
As a person who is neither rabidly anti- or pro-Trump, nor wholly agnostic either, one risks running afoul of one opposing army or the other by offering anything but the most innocuous commentary. That is not why I have been here for the past six years.
There are things about Mr. Trump that I tend to like, and there are things that I find quite objectionable. I would like to believe that I might comment on both without being accused of hatred, stupidity, or apostasy, or without being placed on "ignore" (which I have done to no one here, and which I will never do, as a matter of personal choice).
In the meantime, I will remain and continue to encourage amity and considerate treatment of all, because this is otherwise a useful and intellectually stimulating place to visit.
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I am simply going to offer the following:
I am finding it increasingly difficult to frequent a message board inhabited by mutually hostile and polarized camps.
As a person who is neither rabidly anti- or pro-Trump, nor wholly agnostic either, one risks running afoul of one opposing army or the other by offering anything but the most innocuous commentary. That is not why I have been here for the past six years.
There are things about Mr. Trump that I tend to like, and there are things that I find quite objectionable. I would like to believe that I might comment on both without being accused of hatred, stupidity, or apostasy, or without being placed on "ignore" (which I have done to no one here, and which I will never do, as a matter of personal choice).
In the meantime, I will remain and continue to encourage amity and considerate treatment of all, because this is otherwise a useful and intellectually stimulating place to visit.
Excellent post andy as always.
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I am simply going to offer the following:
I am finding it increasingly difficult to frequent a message board inhabited by mutually hostile and polarized camps.
As a person who is neither rabidly anti- or pro-Trump, nor wholly agnostic either, one risks running afoul of one opposing army or the other by offering anything but the most innocuous commentary. That is not why I have been here for the past six years.
There are things about Mr. Trump that I tend to like, and there are things that I find quite objectionable. I would like to believe that I might comment on both without being accused of hatred, stupidity, or apostasy, or without being placed on "ignore" (which I have done to no one here, and which I will never do, as a matter of personal choice).
In the meantime, I will remain and continue to encourage amity and considerate treatment of all, because this is otherwise a useful and intellectually stimulating place to visit.
We're living in a nation with a president who declares the press to be the enemy, accuses other candidate's fathers being presidential assassins, and attacks the appearances of candidates and their spouses. I find it kind of ironic that his fans think the rest of us should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the president.
People can want me silenced all they want but silencing me wouldn't make a bit of difference, I wouldn't be heard here but I would still be saying the same in a dozen other places.
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We're living in a nation with a president who declares the press to be the enemy, accuses other candidate's fathers being presidential assassins, and attacks the appearances of candidates and their spouses. I find it kind of ironic that his fans think the rest of us should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the president.
1) The "press" IS trying to destroy him.
2) Because he was being attacked 24/7 on multiple fronts, he got a little laugh/charge out of referring to his friend's paper... suggesting Cruz' father knew some sinister people
3) NY Queens, origin, you're not going to pass around naked pics of his wife and say horrific and crude things about her, and not expect him to hit back.
It may be puerile....but I'd put Melania up beside any of them. And that's where he was coming from. It's that 'instinct' that has made Trump a Billionaire and globally recognized BEFORE he was elected POTUS.
If one has never had firsthand experience with the Queen's NY machismo personality, (strike back immediately but harder and lower) I can see how President Trump's personality would grate the hell out of you.
But, IMO, since the media is in hyper-drive to destroy any Republican, (let alone Donald Trump), you should light a candle in front of the Baby Jesus that he's not one of the other sixteen wannabes.
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We're living in a nation with a president who declares the press to be the enemy, accuses other candidate's fathers being presidential assassins, and attacks the appearances of candidates and their spouses. I find it kind of ironic that his fans think the rest of us should hold ourselves to a higher standard than the president.
People can want me silenced all they want but silencing me wouldn't make a bit of difference, I wouldn't be heard here but I would still be saying the same in a dozen other places.
I find most of those to be legitimate opinions, and I would never castigate you for holding them. The press for its part has lost its collective sanity, and is behaving in a more than merely adversarial manner, cooperating gleefully with Federal employees who are leaking protected information, including classified documents uniquely in the service of the interests of one political party. I would aver that such behavior is not healthy in a democratic republic, and can be dangerous when unchallenged.
Nevertheless, all I ask from our members is respectful treatment of those with who they disagree, and perhaps, a more collegial tone and a sense of humor.
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I find most of those to be legitimate opinions, and I would never castigate you for holding them. The press for its part has lost its collective sanity, and is behaving in a more than merely adversarial manner, cooperating gleefully with Federal employees who are leaking protected information, including classified documents uniquely in the service of the interests of one political party. I would aver that such behavior is not healthy in a democratic republic, and can be dangerous when unchallenged.
Nevertheless, all I ask from our members is respectful treatment of those with who they disagree, and perhaps, a more collegial tone and a sense of humor.
I wish you would stop with all this crazy talk Andy. :beer:
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@mystery-ak why do you allow comments like the above?
Because it's a political forum? Perhaps you would be happier on Etsy or Pinterest?
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I wish you would stop with all this crazy talk Andy. :beer:
It must be the liquor taking. And today, it's whiskey.
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He can't call somebody the enemy if he doesn't intend to do something about it, so what is the little boy going to do about the enemy?
I happen to think Trump is a lying treasonous piece of garbage. That makes me the enemy. Does he have the man parts to do anything about it or is he the coward I believe him to be?
I get it.... that you don't like him. I'm not that overly fond of him myself. But when it comes to what he's saying about the media, the leftist-run/leftist biased media.... he is spot-frickin on. They do represent America's enemy within and they do carry the water for and report to that radical left, extremist fringe of anti-American leftists. In my mind..... they really ARE the enemy, therefore.
As for Trump being treasonous.... what, exactly, has he done that qualifies him for that label, in your mind? I'm just curious.
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Because it's a political forum? Perhaps you would be happier on Etsy or Pinterest?
Nice!
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Because it's a political forum? Perhaps you would be happier on Etsy or Pinterest?
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Have no doubt, when a government says 'the press is the enemy' it is declaring you, the free citizen, the enemy. You may not feel it now because you agree with the establishment government over what is magnified in certain areas of the media, and the 'us versus them' game is being played, but when it gets down to it, you are only on the good side as long as you are in compliance with the government.
The First Amendment did not define a specific media or press class, it says every citizen is the press. This has been reinforced several times by the Supreme Court in cases where Congress has tried to regulate and license who the media is- in all these cases, SCOTUS sided with the Constitution and said NO! Each and every citizen in this country is the press and we all have the right to our voices.
You are the press. You may not have a big publication house, you may not have a printing press, but your voice has the same rights as everyone else.
When you hear blanket statements that 'the press is the enemy', you should very much fear for that means your rights, as seen by the government, is just as much subject to the whim of populist attitude as it is against many media outlets now.
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If Trump thinks its his job to fight the media, then he is an enemy of the Constitution
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If Trump thinks its his job to fight the media, then he is an enemy of the Constitution
Not when the press thinks it's its job to fight the Constitution.
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallace-grills-priebus-on-trumps-enemy-tweet-you-dont-get-to-tell-us-what-to-do/
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The President IS acting within the Constitution @Cripplecreek He is free to ridicule the press and call out their lies.
Since you seem so unhappy that Trump is not "backing up" his ridicule---exactly what would you like him to do?
Trump swore and oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. He has every right to ridicule and call out specific lies, however, his statement was not specific, it was a blanket statement against The Press, not just CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS/MSNBS. The Press (as I stated above) as defined under the First Amendment and reinforced by many SCOTUS cases on the matter, refers to every single citizen and the right we have to speak out.
If he declares, blanket statement. The Press, as the enemy, that is an attack on every single citizen and our rights. That is a direct attack on the Constitution he swore an oath to protect.
Now, we can always give him the benefit of the doubt that all he was using was a bit of that Trump hyperbole he is known for and he really didn't mean it that way, either out of ignorance or just because he wanted to fire up people against a perceived enemy (Rules for Radicals tactic). Only slightly better of an option than his declaring war on the Constitution.
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Have no doubt, when a government says 'the press is the enemy' it is declaring you, the free citizen, the enemy. You may not feel it now because you agree with the establishment government over what is magnified in certain areas of the media, and the 'us versus them' game is being played, but when it gets down to it, you are only on the good side as long as you are in compliance with the government.
The First Amendment did not define a specific media or press class, it says every citizen is the press. This has been reinforced several times by the Supreme Court in cases where Congress has tried to regulate and license who the media is- in all these cases, SCOTUS sided with the Constitution and said NO! Each and every citizen in this country is the press and we all have the right to our voices.
You are the press. You may not have a big publication house, you may not have a printing press, but your voice has the same rights as everyone else.
When you hear blanket statements that 'the press is the enemy', you should very much fear for that means your rights, as seen by the government, is just as much subject to the whim of populist attitude as it is against many media outlets now.
Are you really going to attempt to deny..... that over the past decade, especially, the lamestream media/press has become an arm of the radical leftists in the Democratic Party.... and as such, they have rivaled Pravda of the Soviet Union in their propagandizing of and for the left in the USA?
As such. the leftist press does not and has not EVER represented me as a free citizen.
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@mystery-ak why do you allow comments like the above?
@Cripplecreek was simply stating what many people believe. He was just not being politically correct and saying what a lot of people are afraid to say.
Isn't that what we've been told for the past year is ideal?
OR, does that only apply when it supports what you want, not when it goes against what you like?
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Trump swore and oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. He has every right to ridicule and call out specific lies, however, his statement was not specific, it was a blanket statement against The Press, not just CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS/MSNBS. The Press (as I stated above) as defined under the First Amendment and reinforced by many SCOTUS cases on the matter, refers to every single citizen and the right we have to speak out.
If he declares, blanket statement. The Press, as the enemy, that is an attack on every single citizen and our rights. That is a direct attack on the Constitution he swore an oath to protect.
Now, we can always give him the benefit of the doubt that all he was using was a bit of that Trump hyperbole he is known for and he really didn't mean it that way, either out of ignorance or just because he wanted to fire up people against a perceived enemy (Rules for Radicals tactic). Only slightly better of an option than his declaring war on the Constitution.
You're soooo anal, @AbaraXas :laugh: There's nothing sinister going on with this man.
He's fighting back against an enemy that would destroy any other person not named Obama or Clinton.
Make some more popcorn!
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@Cripplecreek was simply stating what many people believe. He was just not being politically correct and saying what a lot of people are afraid to say.
Isn't that what we've been told for the past year is ideal?
OR, does that only apply when it supports what you want, not when it goes against what you like?
The Trump side has their own version of PC and their own version of SJW's. They are a mirror image of the left.
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Are you really going to attempt to deny..... that over the past decade, especially, the lamestream media/press has become an arm of the radical leftists in the Democratic Party.... and as such, they have rivaled Pravda of the Soviet Union in their propagandizing of and for the left in the USA?
If it is, we have let it. We let it because we have given up understanding that a media company is the only form of press. They aren't. What CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS and so on are, are publishing/media/entertainment companies. They are not actually The Press. You and I and every other citizen are The Press.
By stating that, and acting like they are the only press, we are giving them more power than they should.
CNN, by License under Turner Broadcasting, is a publishing company.
ABC, owned by Disney, is licensed as an entertainment company.
We have allowed entertainment to define what our press is.
Saying that 'The Press' is the enemy is like saying 'Food' is the enemy because McDonalds makes kids fat.
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Have no doubt, when a government says 'the press is the enemy' it is declaring you, the free citizen, the enemy. You may not feel it now because you agree with the establishment government over what is magnified in certain areas of the media, and the 'us versus them' game is being played, but when it gets down to it, you are only on the good side as long as you are in compliance with the government.
The First Amendment did not define a specific media or press class, it says every citizen is the press. This has been reinforced several times by the Supreme Court in cases where Congress has tried to regulate and license who the media is- in all these cases, SCOTUS sided with the Constitution and said NO! Each and every citizen in this country is the press and we all have the right to our voices.
You are the press. You may not have a big publication house, you may not have a printing press, but your voice has the same rights as everyone else.
When you hear blanket statements that 'the press is the enemy', you should very much fear for that means your rights, as seen by the government, is just as much subject to the whim of populist attitude as it is against many media outlets now.
@AbaraXas
To most of the press we the American people are the enemy. We are only tolerable when we do what we are told and believe what they want us to believe.
They truly believe they are the only ones worthy of free speech.
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The Trump side has their own version of PC and their own version of SJW's. They are a mirror image of the left.
I'm not on the Trump side, per se. I'm on the truth side. And I'm seeing an awful lot of untruths being spewed against him here. I call BS when I see BS. (just funny that way)
Trump is correct about the US, Pravda-like, media. That he is fighting back against the left and speaking out about it is refreshing, considering the FACT that I sat by and wished for/dreamed of George Bush doing the same for .... quite literally.....years.
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You're soooo anal, @AbaraXas :laugh: There's nothing sinister going on with this man.
He's fighting back against an enemy that would destroy any other person not named Obama or Clinton.
Make some more popcorn!
I didn't say there was anything sinister- but it is like the old slippery slope. If we cheer for making 'The Press' the enemy of the State, and that becomes the norm, how much longer does that come to its logical next step that you and I are declared the enemy of the State for speaking out against what is happening (and believe me, I've been called that many times in the past year in one way or another).
At that, it doesn't even have to be sinister.
Look at many of the problems we have in society now. How many were actually created by the government under the guise and belief of good intentions- not sinister motive.
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Trump swore and oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. He has every right to ridicule and call out specific lies, however, his statement was not specific, it was a blanket statement against The Press, not just CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS/MSNBS. The Press (as I stated above) as defined under the First Amendment and reinforced by many SCOTUS cases on the matter, refers to every single citizen and the right we have to speak out.
If he declares, blanket statement. The Press, as the enemy, that is an attack on every single citizen and our rights. That is a direct attack on the Constitution he swore an oath to protect.
Now, we can always give him the benefit of the doubt that all he was using was a bit of that Trump hyperbole he is known for and he really didn't mean it that way, either out of ignorance or just because he wanted to fire up people against a perceived enemy (Rules for Radicals tactic). Only slightly better of an option than his declaring war on the Constitution.
In other words: be careful what you wish for. The monkey's paw is far more likely than the genie from Aladdin.
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The Trump side has their own version of PC and their own version of SJW's. They are a mirror image of the left.
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says the person with the Alinsky-rule and insulting/demeaning avatar of President Trump.
If we mirrored the Left, @geronl , you'd would be getting letters from the IRS, or even a 3AM knock on the door.
So stop with the "Hair on Fire!!" routine.
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If it is, we have let it. We let it because we have given up understanding that a media company is the only form of press. They aren't. What CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS and so on are, are publishing/media/entertainment companies. They are not actually The Press. You and I and every other citizen are The Press.
By stating that, and acting like they are the only press, we are giving them more power than they should.
CNN, by License under Turner Broadcasting, is a publishing company.
ABC, owned by Disney, is licensed as an entertainment company.
We have allowed entertainment to define what our press is.
Saying that 'The Press' is the enemy is like saying 'Food' is the enemy because McDonalds makes kids fat.
I disagree. Is that the royal "we"? Cause I, personally, haven't let them do a damned thing for decades. I have done everything in my power to thwart them, but it never seemed to make much difference.
So you do, in fact, disagree that the US media is like the Soviet Pravda then? You never did make that clear (with that "if it is").
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@AbaraXas
To most of the press we the American people are the enemy. We are only tolerable when we do what we are told and believe what they want us to believe.
They truly believe they are the only ones worthy of free speech.
As I pointed out in another comment above, you are mixing up media and entertainment companies (and specifically just the ones you don't like) with 'the press'. We are the press, they are just publishers.
Declaring 'The Press' as the enemy because some are bad for you is like declaring Food the enemy because McDonalds makes kids fat.
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So you do, in fact, disagree that the US media is like the Soviet Pravda then? You never did make that clear (with that "if it is").
I do disagree.
Pravda was (and is, along with it's offspring Russia Today) a tool of the state.
US media is a willing accomplice to the Democrat party - not the state.
It's a substantial difference.
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I didn't say there was anything sinister- but it is like the old slippery slope. If we cheer for making 'The Press' the enemy of the State, and that becomes the norm, how much longer does that come to its logical next step that you and I are declared the enemy of the State for speaking out against what is happening (and believe me, I've been called that many times in the past year in one way or another).
At that, it doesn't even have to be sinister.
Look at many of the problems we have in society now. How many were actually created by the government under the guise and belief of good intentions- not sinister motive.
Are you playing Devil's Advocate? lol
You already damned well know (or should) that you or I would already have been declared an enemy of the State by the radical, extremist left. Had Hillary won, instead, we and many others here and on other forums, would probably have been listed as likely candidates for the Clinton gulag that no doubt would have been up and functioning by now.
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I do disagree.
Pravda was (and is, along with it's offspring Russia Today) a tool of the state.
US media is a willing accomplice to the Democrat party - not the state.
It's a substantial difference.
Perhaps it would be better to single out "Big Media" as opposed to other more independent forms of the press. If anything, Trump may help to facilitate the rise of smaller press outfits outside of the big companies. I would see that as a huge win, since the Media companies have been consolidating to the point of almost becoming a virtual monopoly.
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I do disagree.
Pravda was (and is, along with it's offspring Russia Today) a tool of the state.
US media is a willing accomplice to the Democrat party - not the state.
It's a substantial difference.
It may be a substantial difference right now..... but had Hillary Clinton won the election, I posit that it would (by now) be a rather subtle difference. Very subtle. Just sayin.....
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In other words: be careful what you wish for. The monkey's paw is far more likely than the genie from Aladdin.
Come on, my friend. We KNOW it's the genie.
And right now, for 30+ years, the SCOTUS could be stacked with Constitutionalists who lean and have ruled "conservative".
NOT, Supreme Court Activists/Anarchists!
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As I pointed out in another comment above, you are mixing up media and entertainment companies (and specifically just the ones you don't like) with 'the press'. We are the press, they are just publishers.
Declaring 'The Press' as the enemy because some are bad for you is like declaring Food the enemy because McDonalds makes kids fat.
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Then why do they [the press] have more protections than you and I?
Maybe in theory we the people are the press. In reality and practice only those with the means qualify as the press.
The left controls the press and most forms of communication to the masses. They control what people think.
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So you do, in fact, disagree that the US media is like the Soviet Pravda then? You never did make that clear (with that "if it is").
I completely disagree that the US Media is like the Soviet Pravda.
Soviet Pravda was a State sanctioned and controlled entity. They were not allowed to speak freely or dissent, their sole job was to tell the message approved by the government. They did not compete in the free market against other ideas like our media outlets do. They were not allowed to speak out against the controlling authority. Just the opposite, they had no competitive market and their job was to only say what the controlling authority wanted.
I would even argue that we are starting to get on the dangerous and slippery slope where we are going to create our own Pravda- speech only allowed if it is licensed by the government and only given license if it supports the government. Dissent will be outlawed.
No, I don't think this would happen under Trump, but if he continues to create the situation where The Press is the enemy, what will stop the next President, god fobid an Alinskyite, from taking it to the next step and only allowing sanctioned, licensed press, that parrots the voice they want it to?
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I completely disagree that the US Media is like the Soviet Pravda.
Soviet Pravda was a State sanctioned and controlled entity. They were not allowed to speak freely or dissent, their sole job was to tell the message approved by the government. They did not compete in the free market against other ideas like our media outlets do. They were not allowed to speak out against the controlling authority. Just the opposite, they had no competitive market and their job was to only say what the controlling authority wanted.
I would even argue that we are starting to get on the dangerous and slippery slope where we are going to create our own Pravda- speech only allowed if it is licensed by the government and only given license if it supports the government. Dissent will be outlawed.
No, I don't think this would happen under Trump, but if he continues to create the situation where The Press is the enemy, what will stop the next President, god fobid an Alinskyite, from taking it to the next step and only allowing sanctioned, licensed press, that parrots the voice they want it to?
Since our government seems to have forgotten what Anti-Trust Laws are for, they've allowed the media to consolidate to the point where it has become just about as much of a monopoly as Pravda was.
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Perhaps it would be better to single out "Big Media" as opposed to other more independent forms of the press. If anything, Trump may help to facilitate the rise of smaller press outfits outside of the big companies. I would see that as a huge win, since the Media companies have been consolidating to the point of almost becoming a virtual monopoly.
I too see that as a significant win. It won't be a huge win in my book until it is capitalised on, but the opportunity is there for the taking.
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Perhaps it would be better to single out "Big Media" as opposed to other more independent forms of the press. If anything, Trump may help to facilitate the rise of smaller press outfits outside of the big companies. I would see that as a huge win, since the Media companies have been consolidating to the point of almost becoming a virtual monopoly.
It's up to the media as a whole to clean it's own mess. Until they do they should be treated with the contempt their actions earned. Actions do have consequences.
The press is an enemy of the people, the state and the very planet because they made themselves such through blatant lying, helping to advance the leftist agenda of the moment and destroying any and all who stood up to stop them.
Independent media are no better or different than the bigs. They too need to prove their honesty/integrity because we have no reason to trust any of them. And that included all the so called conservative sacred cows that side with the GOP when the chips are down no matter how leftist a thing the GOP is pushing.
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@AbaraXas
Then why do they [the press] have more protections than you and I?
Maybe in theory we the people are the press. In reality and practice only those with the means qualify as the press.
The left controls the press and most forms of communication to the masses. They control what people think.
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You're GD right they do!
So, it would make perfect sense for the President to call them out for their fake news stories and lies and distorted quotes, in their 24/7 effort to paint him as incompetent as well as illegitimate.
We all got a taste of how he responds to attacks when he was candidate Trump....as well as his public reputation.
He's staying true to himself.
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Since our government seems to have forgotten what Anti-Trust Laws are for, they've allowed the media to consolidate to the point where it has become just about as much of a monopoly as Pravda was.
Pravda was a single, state sponsored outlet that had zero competition and whose message was dictated by the government solely for the benefit of the message the government wanted to say.
CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS and so on, compete against hundreds, if not thousands of competitive voices, be it local broadcast and print media, to countless internet sources. They have become big, not because they have a monopoly, but because the people chose their product over other products.
McDonalds isn't good for you and they are a giant, but they aren't a monopoly just for that fact. They are only large, dominate the market share, and are complete crap because the consumers have chosen to let them remain on top. Consumers could shut down McDonalds in a short period of time, as the could almost an major media outlet, if they so chose to do so.
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Trump is correct about the US, Pravda-like, media.
The Trumpers want the media to be Pravda-like, and obey master Trump.
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Pravda was a single, state sponsored outlet that had zero competition and whose message was dictated by the government solely for the benefit of the message the government wanted to say.
CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS and so on, compete against hundreds, if not thousands of competitive voices, be it local broadcast and print media, to countless internet sources.
How does one 'compete' when each outlet is mouthing the exact same DNC/UN/political left approved messages? Thats not a competition, it's a conspiracy and a pretty open one.
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You're GD right they do!
So, it would make perfect sense for the President to call them out for their fake news stories and lies and distorted quotes, in their 24/7 effort to paint him as incompetent as well as illegitimate.
We all got a taste of how he responds to attacks when he was candidate Trump....as well as his public reputation.
He's staying true to himself.
And yet, here you are, consuming different media, thinking differently, not letting them tell you what to think.
You still have that choice and you exercise it, so they control far less than you realize. They don't control you.
Don't take this wrong, but you aren't special in this sense. You don't have some special outlet to different information than anyone else. You are just exercising your freedom to choose and think differently. That isn't special, that is the choice we all have if we choose to make it.
For those who they do control, it is because people allow themselves to be controlled by it, not because they have no choice.
For people who eat crap at McDonalds (yea, my analogy is getting old), they do so because they choose to, not because they are being forced to with no other choice.
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How does one 'compete' when each outlet is mouthing the exact same DNC/UN/political left approved messages? Thats not a competition, it's a conspiracy and a pretty open one.
And Fox isn't parroting it. CCTV isn't parroting it. Breitbart isn't parroting it. Drudge isn't parroting it. Liberty Daily isn't parroting it. Hot Air isn't parroting it. Red State isn't parroting it. Thousands upon thousands of other outlets aren't parroting it. You aren't parroting it.
You compete the same way one competes in any market, first with your own choice, and second with your own voice. You speak out, just like you do here. You create a blog, you create your own voice, you don't just say it is what it is and accept it. So many of the top commentators we see now in new media started out as nobodies. Matt Drudge started out as an absolute nobody, so did Andrew Breitbart. Even Rush started out as a nobody against a huge world of liberal media. Look at his market share and what he did, all because he took that step instead of accepting it is what it is.
I would add one more thing before I take off.
Think back to the past 8 years when the left tried to silence Rush. They tried to get him off the air in more ways than I can count, all with many of the same arguments. 'He was a talk radio monopoly', 'they couldn't compete on talk radio', 'he was propaganda', they even compared him to Pravda.
Are we doing the same thing with specific media outlets we don't like, using the very same arguments the left tried to use against Rush, and the same tactics?
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And Fox isn't parroting it. CCTV isn't parroting it. Breitbart isn't parroting it. Drudge isn't parroting it. Liberty Daily isn't parroting it. Hot Air isn't parroting it. Red State isn't parroting it. Thousands upon thousands of other outlets aren't parroting it. You aren't parroting it.
You compete the same way one competes in any market, first with your own choice, and second with your own voice. You speak out, just like you do here. You create a blog, you create your own voice, you don't just say it is what it is and accept it. So many of the top commentators we see now in new media started out as nobodies. Matt Drudge started out as an absolute nobody, so did Andrew Breitbart. Even Rush started out as a nobody against a huge world of liberal media. Look at his market share and what he did, all because he took that step instead of accepting it is what it is.
I would add one more thing before I take off.
Think back to the past 8 years when the left tried to silence Rush. They tried to get him off the air in more ways than I can count, all with many of the same arguments. 'He was a talk radio monopoly', 'they couldn't compete on talk radio', 'he was propaganda', they even compared him to Pravda.
Are we doing the same thing with specific media outlets we don't like, using the very same arguments the left tried to use against Rush, and the same tactics?
Arent they? Milo and his fabulous inclusion of the gay agenda throughout his 'reporting'? Fox and Shep Smith/various other commentators from the left? Drudge becoming more or less 'conservative' depending how close one is to an election? Rush and Levin abandoning conservative candidates every election?
They sure seem to be doing their part to advance leftism by keeping conservatism locked in a corner. Playing their designated part brilliantly actually as every election, their defenders rise while forgetting all the crap pulled throughout the off-season and all the bitching they did about it.
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For people who eat crap at McDonalds (yea, my analogy is getting old), they do so because they choose to, not because they are being forced to with no other choice.
Its kind of funny really. The people screaming loudest about the media are the same people laughing the loudest about their collapse in ratings. Yet at the same time the media is supposedly controlling the minds of millions of people.
Just like I don't eat at McDonald's because of a long ago formed opinion, I formed my opinion that Trump is a degenerate lowlife decades ago. Up until about 18 months ago that opinion was perfectly in line with better than 90% of users at TOS and even the owner used the term "Lying liberal scumbag" to describe Trump.
The fact that I feel the same about Trump today as I felt at 18 years old speaks to some incredible tactical and strategic thinking at the upper levels of the Media/Deep state complex. They manipulated me to their position 35 years ago. That's pretty incredible.
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Its kind of funny really. The people screaming loudest about the media are the same people laughing the loudest about their collapse in ratings. Yet at the same time the media is supposedly controlling the minds of millions of people.
You could easily remove the entire right from media consumership and collapse their ratings while they simultainously still impact the thinking of over 150,000,000 people on the left. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Because it's a political forum? Perhaps you would be happier on Etsy or Pinterest?
It's a site where Trump supporters are forced to fight with both hands tied behind their back. I cut my teeth on Usenet news back in the early 90's fighting the homosexuals there. I know how to dish it out as well as how to take it. Here if I engage I am mob attacked (fine I can deal with the mob) and threatened with banning. But ok, I understand NeverThrumpers need their safe space too.
Used to be in public discourse their was an expected level of civility. A sense of decorum, once did not use sexually loaded terms like butt hurt, man parts and bleep when describing someone you had a political disagreement with. Back when I was sixty I'd punch you for talking to me in those terms. I still might at seventy if you get in my face. Some here like to talk about the lack of morality and civility in our modern society, and they have a point, but then they use the most despicable guttural language themselves. I find it highly offensive.
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It's a site where Trump supporters are forced to fight with both hands tied behind their back. I cut my teeth on Usenet news back in the early 90's fighting the homosexuals there. I know how to dish it out as well as how to take it. Here if I engage I am mob attacked (fine I can deal with the mob) and threatened with banning. But ok, I understand NeverThrumpers need their safe space too.
Used to be in public discourse their was an expected level of civility. A sense of decorum, once did not use sexually loaded terms like butt hurt, man parts and bleep when describing someone you had a political disagreement with. Back when I was sixty I'd punch you for talking to me in those terms. I still might at seventy if you get in my face. Some here like to talk about the lack of morality and civility in our modern society, and they have a point, but then they use the most despicable guttural language themselves. I find it highly offensive.
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Another keyboard warrior!
Maybe you'd be happier at Free Republic? Just a thought.
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It's a site where Trump supporters are forced to fight with both hands tied behind their back. I cut my teeth on Usenet news back in the early 90's fighting the homosexuals there. I know how to dish it out as well as how to take it. Here if I engage I am mob attacked (fine I can deal with the mob) and threatened with banning. But ok, I understand NeverThrumpers need their safe space too.
Used to be in public discourse their was an expected level of civility. A sense of decorum, once did not use sexually loaded terms like butt hurt, man parts and bleep when describing someone you had a political disagreement with. Back when I was sixty I'd punch you for talking to me in those terms. I still might at seventy if you get in my face. Some here like to talk about the lack of morality and civility in our modern society, and they have a point, but then they use the most despicable guttural language themselves. I find it highly offensive.
Considering your regular hit jobs on Ted Cruz, no one GAFs what offends you.
Second, It wasn't Nevertrump that demanded and got a literal by definition 'safe space' here because they couldn't function in the real world of political discourse.
Third, A lot of us go back to Usenet days and thats exactly why you don't have free reign to spout off and are forced to play the victim card.
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Since our government seems to have forgotten what Anti-Trust Laws are for, they've allowed the media to consolidate to the point where it has become just about as much of a monopoly as Pravda was.
BUMP!
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Since our government seems to have forgotten what Anti-Trust Laws are for, they've allowed the media to consolidate to the point where it has become just about as much of a monopoly as Pravda was.
Ridiculous... Pravda?
The media cannot consolidate with the internet. There are plenty of choices and there's no barriers to new choices.
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Ridiculous... Pravda?
The media cannot consolidate with the internet. There are plenty of choices and there's no barriers to new choices.
Of course they can and in fact, have consolidated with the internet. Thats why you see the MSM using Twitter and facebook in lieu of actual reporters for their stories and why every media outlet has online divisions to offload content to. Their programming
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Ridiculous... Pravda?
The media cannot consolidate with the internet. There are plenty of choices and there's no barriers to new choices.
Go start up a new newspaper somewhere and get back to me about that "no barriers" thing!
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Considering your regular hit jobs on Ted Cruz, no one GAFs what offends you.
Second, It wasn't Nevertrump that demanded and got a literal by definition 'safe space' here because they couldn't function in the real world of political discourse.
Third, A lot of us go back to Usenet days and thats exactly why you don't have free reign to spout off and are forced to play the victim card.
What you think hardly matters to me, but I don't play the victim card. I seriously doubt you go back to the early Usenet news day, very few of us do. Do tell what (non porn) groups were you in?
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What you think hardly matters to me, but I don't play the victim card. I seriously doubt you go back to the early Usenet news day, very few of us do. Do tell what (non porn) groups were you in?
Talk.Environment and Alt.org.earth-first were my two main places to argue with idiots. Not that you care. You just said so.
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What you think hardly matters to me, but I don't play the victim card. I seriously doubt you go back to the early Usenet news day, very few of us do. Do tell what (non porn) groups were you in?
You'd think such a battle-hardened soldier like yourself... a veteran not of Iwo Jima or Vietnam, but of USENET (which is no joke, serious shit), would be able to handle a few dissenting articles.
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Go start up a new newspaper somewhere and get back to me about that "no barriers" thing!
With modern technology, change that to 'go start a blog or website somewhere'... The market is becoming freer and more open daily. At that, now, you can have a worldwide reach for your personal thoughts and opinions almost instantly, not just printing to your local community.
You are the press.
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With modern technology, change that to 'go start a blog or website somewhere'... The market is becoming freer and more open daily. At that, now, you can have a worldwide reach for your personal thoughts and opinions almost instantly, not just printing to your local community.
You are the press.
Big Media still overpowers the upstarts, like Drudge.
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Newspapers? Who the hell still reads newspapers anymore?
In a sense anyone with a Twitter account can be a journalist these days.
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Big Media still overpowers the upstarts, like Drudge.
Ironically, the very first thing an "upstart" should do is have their blog site linked to Drudge.
"First you get he money, then you get the women...." ...Tony Montana
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"First you get he money, then you get the women...." ...Tony Montana
I always found women were attracted to my stunningly handsome visage, rugged stature and legendary modesty. Though I admit that many are understandably intimidated by a man that borders on perfection so money helps...
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Big Media still overpowers the upstarts, like Drudge.
Drudge actually has more traffic than CNN and NBC have viewers and he is the largest traffic generator to major media news stories, only beaten by Facebook and Google.
They aren't overpowering him in the least.
And he started with absolutely nothing and when you get down to the nuts and bolts, runs on practically nothing.
In 2012, Drudge passed a Billion (yes, a Billion) monthly page views.
If you want to know the power of one man with a vision and willingness to take action (albeit, a bit of luck), there you go.
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I always found women were attracted to my stunningly handsome visage, rugged stature and legendary modesty. Though I admit that many are understandably intimidated by a man that borders on perfection so money helps...
I always found back when I drove a Porsche, I got more attention. Now that I drive a Volvo, notsomuch. Who says women don't appreciate cars?
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I always found back when I drove a Porsche, I got more attention. Now that I drive a Volvo, notsomuch. Who says women don't appreciate cars?
Ah. I just have a cute dog which attracts the right kind of woman.
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I always found back when I drove a Porsche, I got more attention. Now that I drive a Volvo, notsomuch. Who says women don't appreciate cars?
It is indeed a mystery. Pull into a driveway with an Enzo or a GT3 and they always seem rather enthusiastic in their automotive appreciation.
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Mainstream media is a problem for the people. Keep DC out of it.
There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the media lately. From President Trump calling them “an enemy of the American people” to lukewarm Republicans like Senator McCain and Governor Kasich defending them, it seems as if many in the government are missing the point altogether.
Mainstream media has turned into a cesspool of leftist bias. To be more specific, mainstream media has shown their true colors in recent years; they’ve always been a cesspool of leftist bias but hid it better in the past. With that said, we seem to be heading in a direction that could prompt government interference with the way the media is reported. This would be a terrible, inexcusable mistake.
The press, whether biased or not, must be left alone by the government. Let the people handle it. As it leans to the left, it’s up to those of us in conservative media to push back towards the right. It’s also up to the people to be discerning about the media they consume. When we start hearing calls for government intervention into the press such as the consequences proposed by some for reporting “fake news,” we’re taking a dangerous step away from the 1st Amendment.
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http://thefederalistparty.org/2017/02/19/mainstream-media-problem-people-keep-dc/ (http://thefederalistparty.org/2017/02/19/mainstream-media-problem-people-keep-dc/)
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Trump swore and oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. He has every right to ridicule and call out specific lies, however, his statement was not specific, it was a blanket statement against The Press, not just CNN/ABS/CBS/NBS/MSNBS. The Press (as I stated above) as defined under the First Amendment and reinforced by many SCOTUS cases on the matter, refers to every single citizen and the right we have to speak out.
If he declares, blanket statement. The Press, as the enemy, that is an attack on every single citizen and our rights. That is a direct attack on the Constitution he swore an oath to protect.
Now, we can always give him the benefit of the doubt that all he was using was a bit of that Trump hyperbole he is known for and he really didn't mean it that way, either out of ignorance or just because he wanted to fire up people against a perceived enemy (Rules for Radicals tactic). Only slightly better of an option than his declaring war on the Constitution.
It's clear to me that we have had two Presidents in a row who consider ME to be the "enemy."
Is it too much to dream that we would elect someone who considers the American people his employers and the Constitution his guide? :shrug:
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It's clear to me that we have had two Presidents in a row who consider ME to be the "enemy."
Is it too much to dream that we would elect someone who considers the American people his employers and the Constitution his guide? :shrug:
The media self reports as over 95% Democrat.
The media is therefore the enemy unless suddenly Dems arent.
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The media self reports as over 95% Democrat.
The media is therefore the enemy unless suddenly Dems arent.
My comment was in response to @AbaraXas ' statement that the American people are the press, and that includes me.
Obama considered Conservatives to be his enemy. And since I write things on the Internet that are unfavorable, albeit truthful, about Trump, I have no doubt that I am in the segment of America that he opposes.
Both Obama and Trump have made it quite clear that disagreeing with them is not something they tolerate.
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My comment was in response to @AbaraXas ' statement that the American people are the press, and that includes me.
Obama considered Conservatives to be his enemy. And since I write things on the Internet that are unfavorable, albeit truthful, about Trump, I have no doubt that I am in the segment of America that he opposes.
Both Obama and Trump have made it quite clear that disagreeing with them is not something they tolerate.
Lèse-majesté is my middle name.
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My comment was in response to @AbaraXas ' statement that the American people are the press, and that includes me.
Obama considered Conservatives to be his enemy. And since I write things on the Internet that are unfavorable, albeit truthful, about Trump, I have no doubt that I am in the segment of America that he opposes.
Both Obama and Trump have made it quite clear that disagreeing with them is not something they tolerate.
The American people arent the press any more than the American people are the car mechanic. The press is the press. It is organized and sets out to do a specific thing that most people do not. Gather and report news. Or I should say that was the original idea behind the press. Nor so much now. Now it's to forward the left's agenda at any cost.
Barry didn't tolerate the right even moderate form. When Trump turns his guns on America I will be there with bells on to call it what it is. However he is attacking the very same people for the verysame reasons you have, I have and every poster here has and has repeatedly.
So it's pretty strange to condemn him for the 'sins' we ourselves committed long before he entered the picture.
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My comment was in response to @AbaraXas ' statement that the American people are the press, and that includes me.
Obama considered Conservatives to be his enemy. And since I write things on the Internet that are unfavorable, albeit truthful, about Trump, I have no doubt that I am in the segment of America that he opposes.
Both Obama and Trump have made it quite clear that disagreeing with them is not something they tolerate.
Oh stop! Climb down from that cross, @musiclady !
There's no sign over the door that says, "No Stubborn, Cruz-loving, whacked-out SOCONS Allowed!!"
We're welcoming EVERYBODY!! :beer:
Just don't lie about him, or believe/spread lies about him. That's easy, isn't it?
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The American people arent the press any more than the American people are the car mechanic. The press is the press. It is organized and sets out to do a specific thing that most people do not. Gather and report news. Or I should say that was the original idea behind the press. Nor so much now. Now it's to forward the left's agenda at any cost.
Barry didn't tolerate the right even moderate form. When Trump turns his guns on America I will be there with bells on to call it what it is. However he is attacking the very same people for the verysame reasons you have, I have and every poster here has and has repeatedly.
So it's pretty strange to condemn him for the 'sins' we ourselves committed long before he entered the picture.
I don't "condemn" him for doing the same thing as conservatives have done, because that's not what he's doing.
But I think you know that, Norm. And I think you know he can't tolerate people who don't do and think of him exactly what he wants. He's not going after the press on principle as we have done. He's going after the press because they say bad things about HIM, and he, being a pre-adolescent in maturity, needs to lash out.
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I don't "condemn" him for doing the same thing as conservatives have done, because that's not what he's doing.
But I think you know that, Norm. And I think you know he can't tolerate people who don't do and think of him exactly what he wants. He's not going after the press on principle as we have done. He's going after the press because they say bad things about HIM, and he, being a pre-adolescent in maturity, needs to lash out.
Regardless of his motivation, I'm thrilled to see the press taken to the woodshed by a president of the United States! Something I have been waiting to see for a LONG LONG time!
And I simply LOVE this:
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The American people arent the press any more than the American people are the car mechanic. The press is the press. It is organized and sets out to do a specific thing that most people do not. Gather and report news. Or I should say that was the original idea behind the press. Nor so much now. Now it's to forward the left's agenda at any cost.
Barry didn't tolerate the right even moderate form. When Trump turns his guns on America I will be there with bells on to call it what it is. However he is attacking the very same people for the verysame reasons you have, I have and every poster here has and has repeatedly.
So it's pretty strange to condemn him for the 'sins' we ourselves committed long before he entered the picture.
Spot-on, Norm. 888high58888
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I don't "condemn" him for doing the same thing as conservatives have done, because that's not what he's doing.
But I think you know that, Norm. And I think you know he can't tolerate people who don't do and think of him exactly what he wants. He's not going after the press on principle as we have done. He's going after the press because they say bad things about HIM, and he, being a pre-adolescent in maturity, needs to lash out.
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I see it different. You see it as the press attacking Trump personally, I see it more as them attacking the millions who voted for Trump, as well.
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Deja vu
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These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
The article is a few years old but I seriously doubt there has been much change. And BTW. Every single one of these six corporations has very strong ties to the Marxist...OOPS! I mean Democrat party!
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I see it different. You see it as the press attacking Trump personally, I see it more as them attacking the millions who voted for Trump, as well.
It's not that I see the press as attacking Trump personally, it's that based on his record of lashing back at everyone and everything that doesn't flatter him, HE sees it as attacking him personally.
But then it gets back to the problem I have with his not having integrity nor maturity, and I've been through that repeatedly.
Saying "the press is the enemy of the American people" is, at best, ham-handed and reckless (since it includes people like Hannity who holds worship services for Trump), and at worst tyrannical.
As much as Jefferson hated the press, he defended them above government. There's a reason the Founders thought freedom of the press was important.
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These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
The article is a few years old but I seriously doubt there has been much change. And BTW. Every single one of these six corporations has very strong ties to the Marxist...OOPS! I mean Democrat party!
With the impending Merger of Time Warner and AT&T it will be 5.
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With the impending Merger of Time Warner and AT&T it will be 5.
Paddy Chayefsky was a prophet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8
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Only dictators and statists (redundant I know) openly attack the press like this.
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Only dictators and statists (redundant I know) openly attack the press like this.
+1,000,000
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Paddy Chayefsky was a prophet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4
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Only dictators and statists (redundant I know) openly attack the press like this.
Actually, a lot of people, myself included, have attacked thepress openly and hardcore for years. And as I used to be one of them I speak from direct knowledge when I say that the press should be attacked by anyone that cares about this country and the truth. They are scum of the worst kind and the cause of liberalism consuming the planet in one disaster after another.
They should be sued, arrested where laws are applicable, tried, and mocked for the human garbage they are. They and their DNC fed 'reporting' are responsible for a lot of dead soldiers, dead civilians, destroyed homes and business and front and center in attempting to undermine two elections openly.
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Actually, a lot of people, myself included, have attacked thepress openly and hardcore for years. And as I used to be one of them I speak from direct knowledge when I say that the press should be attacked by anyone that cares about this country and the truth. They are scum of the worst kind and the cause of liberalism consuming the planet in one disaster after another.
They should be sued, arrested where laws are applicable, tried, and mocked for the human garbage they are. They and their DNC fed 'reporting' are responsible for a lot of dead soldiers, dead civilians, destroyed homes and business and front and center in attempting to undermine two elections openly.
It's one thing if you or another civilian does it. Completely different if the President of the U.S. does it.
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It's one thing if you or another civilian does it. Completely different if the President of the U.S. does it.
Trump or any other president SHOULD do it. He's the guy that ends up having to deal with the fallout of their lying on a global scale.
Had Bush done it, Iraq would not be the mess it is today. nor would race relations or many other things they pushed hard. He could have nipped it in the ass and we all said so back then. Just because it's trump changes nothing. The truth is the truth. you fight for it with all the tool in the box or you don't.
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It's one thing if you or another civilian does it. Completely different if the President of the U.S. does it.
Why? Does becoming president require one to give up his rights?
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Incidentally, since Trump is expanding press access to his press conferences....
Where is the reporter from the GOP briefing room?
As I pointed out in another comment above, you are mixing up media and entertainment companies (and specifically just the ones you don't like) with 'the press'. We are the press, they are just publishers.
Declaring 'The Press' as the enemy because some are bad for you is like declaring Food the enemy because McDonalds makes kids fat.
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What Trump really means by the concentrated press.
These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
The article is a few years old but I seriously doubt there has been much change. And BTW. Every single one of these six corporations has very strong ties to the Marxist...OOPS! I mean Democrat party!
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Incidentally, since Trump is expanding press access to his press conferences....
Where is the reporter from the GOP briefing room?
I nominate @Cripplecreek or @Weird Tolkienish Figure they'll definitely liven up the press conference.
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With the impending Merger of Time Warner and AT&T it will be 5.
I've been told that that merger is never going to happen.
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Why? Does becoming president require one to give up his rights?
Didn't say that now did I? Nope.
But he took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution...for everyone...every Amendment...not just certain Amendments for people he likes.
And within that "everyone"...are those that work in the MSM that he is now referring to as a 5th Column.
He's wading into very dangerous waters with this attack on the press. It will come back to bite him.
And this is all assuming he actually believes what he's saying about them...given the fact he's gotten good ink in the past from the same people he now attacks this cold all be a show...as Rob Mannifred admitted "He says things just to get people riled up"
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Didn't say that now did I? Nope.
But he took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution...for everyone...every Amendment...not just certain Amendments for people he likes.
And within that "everyone"...are those that work in the MSM that he is now referring to as a 5th Column.
He's wading into very dangerous waters with this attack on the press. It will come back to bite him.And this is all assuming he actually believes what he's saying about them...given the fact he's gotten good ink in the past from the same people he now attacks this cold all be a show...as Rob Mannifred admitted "He says things just to get people riled up"
Maybe so. But I kind of like a president who tells the truth about something. Do you deny that the current media is decidedly left wing in it's composition or actions?
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I've been told that that merger is never going to happen.
@XenaLee
Obama's FCC wouldn't do it, not enough payola for him would be my guess, they all golfed with him on numerous occasions.
Time Warner just spun off their Internet Division to Spectrum in anticipation of another FCC meeting, this time it will pass. The Verizon lawyer Trump appointed will OK it, my thinking anyway ymmv
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Maybe so. But I kind of like a president who tells the truth about something. Do you deny that the current media is decidedly left wing in it's composition or actions?
Never have denied it. It's the worst kept secret in America. But they never have been anything other than left wing from the start.
I'd like a President who is honest...we don't have one right now.
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Never have denied it. It's the worst kept secret in America. But they never have been anything other than left wing from the start.
I'd like a President who is honest...we don't have one right now.
Well IMHO he surely is calling out the propaganda arm of the DNC, AKA the MSM, VERY truthfully!
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Michelle Malkin said one member of the press calls Melania a hooker and Malkin mentioned some other incident; how does the press expect to be treated? Totally in the tank for the left.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4
:thumbsup:
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Well IMHO he surely is calling out the propaganda arm of the DNC, AKA the MSM, VERY truthfully!
You mean the same way the previous President said the same thing about Fox News...Drudge Rush etc?
Both sides do it...even when they get nothing from the press but favorable coverage.
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You mean the same way the previous President said the same thing about Fox News...Drudge Rush etc?
Both sides do it...even when they get nothing from the press but favorable coverage.
So what is your point? I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind about what any of them says and can agree or disagree as I choose.
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So what is your point? I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind about what any of them says and can agree or disagree as I choose.
As are most people. Which is why this whole bloodlust off with their heads war with the media Trump is stirring up is so stupid.
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As are most people. Which is why this whole bloodlust off with their heads war with the media Trump is stirring up is so stupid.
I see it as something that has needed doing for many decades and I'm ecstatic that our president is finally calling them out on their BS! Maybe it will wake a few people up!
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@XenaLee
Obama's FCC wouldn't do it, not enough payola for him would be my guess, they all golfed with him on numerous occasions.
Time Warner just spun off their Internet Division to Spectrum in anticipation of another FCC meeting, this time it will pass. The Verizon lawyer Trump appointed will OK it, my thinking anyway ymmv
I'll be very surprised if the deal ever goes through. An insider I know said no way. But, we'll see.
Anything is possible in the chaotic environment and political climate we now live in. Anything good and anything bad, that is. We need revisit those anti-trust days, giving consumers more choices.... not less. And from what I have read, Trump is supposedly for giving Americans more choices. But then.... the Trump Empire he has built kind of negates that theory in that he likes to put his logo on everything he can. Dunno.
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As are most people. Which is why this whole bloodlust off with their heads war with the media Trump is stirring up is so stupid.
Wait. Which side was it that 'declared war' first? Seems to me the leftist-biased and controlled (See: Soros & Co, Obama Democrats, CPUSA, DSA, etc.) media made that declaration first. And they have reiterated it every single time a Republican gets elected to the presidency.
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Wait. Which side was it that 'declared war' first? Seems to me the leftist-biased and controlled (See: Soros & Co, Obama Democrats, CPUSA, DSA, etc.) media made that declaration first. And they have reiterated it every single time a Republican gets elected to the presidency.
And this matters why exactly?
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And this matters why exactly?
They have tried and failed on every angle to the xplain this away.
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They have tried and failed on every angle to the xplain this away.
Hey WTF. How's your pal Joel Toomey holding up?