The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Night Hides Not on November 07, 2016, 03:16:17 pm
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I remember 1980 well. Even though I was nearing the end of my 4th year in Germany (how cool was that, spending less than a month of the Carter Administration in the US?), the electoral tsunami that wiped out Carter was felt in Europe.
I'm not feeling it today, and it has nothing to do with Comey. Reagan had a backbone, but he never took personal insults publicly, "there you go again" would be his most remembered, and effective, rejoinder.
Trump and Hillary are both bullies, each with an enemies list that are unrivaled. Both are not liked and not trusted, in equal dollops. That's why I'm not seeing a similar tsunami.
What the heck, I'll throw out my prediction: Hillary wins by 2.5 points in the popular vote, with 325 being the over/under on her electoral vote (won't be a blowout, that's for sure). Won't be enough to turn the Senate back to the Dems, it will be 51-49 Republican, but the House Republicans lose 15 seats.
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Truth
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Demographics today are much different than in 1980.
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Vanity - This is not 1980
Really? You mean I can't go down the Pontiac dealer and *order a new Bonneville?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9a/51/1c/9a511c009c3936930cfb9c6ab36286c1.jpg)
(*For those who don't know, you used to have to order your car and wait a month for it to be built.)
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today. If the GOP nomined someone as likable and personable as Reagan today he would win.
We've I st had shitty candidates and the dems have gotten really good at nominating likable candidates.
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today.
I disagree. I believe you have to be alive to be President. Reagan appears to be dead right now....but I could be wrong.
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I disagree. I believe you have to be alive to be President. Reagan appears to be dead right now....but I could be wrong.
The GOP has his brain in a jar somewhere.
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Whenever I am sure Hillary is going to win I get snapped back..was at a get together yesterday mixed crowd.
Could not believe how many women were against Hillary-absolutely despise her. Young-especially the young, old, fairly liberal and of course some conservative.
Lot of blue collar union folks for Trump despite who their union tells them to vote for.
I go back and forth but feel in the end Trump will win.
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today. If the GOP nomined someone as likable and personable as Reagan today he would win.
We've I st had shitty candidates and the dems have gotten really good at nominating likable candidates.
You can not possible consider the Beast likeable. ****slapping
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You can not possible consider the Beast likeable. ****slapping
Relative to Donny? Yes.
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Whenever I am sure Hillary is going to win I get snapped back..was at a get together yesterday mixed crowd.
Could not believe how many women were against Hillary-absolutely despise her. Young-especially the young, old, fairly liberal and of course some conservative.
Lot of blue collar union folks for Trump despite who their union tells them to vote for.
I go back and forth but feel in the end Trump will win.
I wish I felt like you. While I dislike the Donald, I really hate the idea of the corrupt Beast, her husband Chester the Molester and her minions being in the White House.
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The GOP has his brain in a jar somewhere.
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Relative to Donny? Yes.
SERIOUSLY. Color me shocked. I can't imagine anyone more unlikeable than the Beast, including the Donald. Just her voice alone makes me want to hide. :shrug:
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today. If the GOP nomined someone as likable and personable as Reagan today he would win.
We've I st had shitty candidates and the dems have gotten really good at nominating likable candidates.
I think you are probably correct as it pertains to this election. The demographics are bad, but i think he'd win. But only because Hillary is so horrible.
I don't think even a younger, still breathing Reagan would have a chance against any non-Hillary candidate in 2020, though.
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I think you are probably correct as it pertai s to this election. The demographics are bad, but i think he'd win. But only because Hillary is so horrible.
I don't think even a younger, still breathing Reagan would have a chance against any non-Hillary candidate in 2020, though.
Depends who the dems put up. Don't underestimate likability.
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Depends who the dems put up. Don't underestimate likability.
Having a significantly more likable candidate than the Dems is the only chance we had even for this election. The demographics have just changed so much that even a likeable Republican nominee will be close to umelectable.
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I agree, this election will not be like 1980's... but I do not think that Hillary has a lock on it. I have the feeling (and it's just a feeling based on anecdotal evidence, and therefore suspect) that Hillary is much more disliked than the mainstream media is willing to report. Too many remarks of "We have to vote for her to stop Trump!", too many signs of low enthusiasm in general among her supporters (small crowds at her appearances, unless they also have a big-name star performing, for instance), and the signs that the undecided voters may be swinging towards Trump, all make me think that Trump has a chance of winning. It may be a small chance, but over the past 1-2 weeks it certainly seems as if the momentum has swung his way.
And by the way, I take no joy in this feeling. If he wins it will be without my vote, which is still going to Darrell Castle. But I will enjoy being able to point and laugh at the crestfallen Hillary supports if she does lose, as well as contemplate the possibility of an honest investigation (one can dream...) of the Clinton crime syndicate.
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Having a significantly more likable candidate than the Dems is the only chance we had even for this election. The demographics have just changed so much that even a likeable Republican nominee will be close to umelectable.
What was so unlikable about Romney? The guy was as vanilla as it gets.
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The 2012 autopsy told us to market conservatism to nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups. GOPers decided to double down on failure. They didn't even try to win this thing.
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The premise is true, Carter did not aid the rise of the worse terrorist organization since World War II, ISIS nor give the largest terrorist sponsor in the world, billions of dollars while aiding their nuclear capabilities.
Real sharp observation, 2016 is not 1980.
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SERIOUSLY. Color me shocked. I can't imagine anyone more unlikeable than the Beast, including the Donald. Just her voice alone makes me want to hide. :shrug:
Did you hear her latest screech fest? My God it was awful. I can't imagine listening to her for four or eight years. Shoot me now
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The 2012 autopsy told us to market conservatism to nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups. GOPers decided to double down on failure. They didn't even try to win this thing.
The gop base is truly just a dumb stupid group of individuals.
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The 2012 autopsy told us to market conservatism to nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups.
Just how do you propose to do that?
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Just how do you propose to do that?
An eye single on ECONOMIC GROWTH. Nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups want good jobs, too.
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An eye single on ECONOMIC GROWTH. Nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups want good jobs, too.
Then the Rats simply counter that with the usual attacks of "Tax cuts for the Rich, Voodoo Economics, etc."
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An eye single on ECONOMIC GROWTH. Nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups want good jobs, too.
The other problem is that we have a media that has gone out of their way to portray a pretty rosy picture of the economy. This is one of the main reasons that Trump didn't get the traction he needed.
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Then the Rats simply counter that with the usual attacks of "Tax cuts for the Rich, Voodoo Economics, etc."
Except now it's the GOP and their nominee who spout that same crap.
Uniparty indeed.
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I was listening to Rush on the drive back from lunch. He made a good point, early voting wasn't nearly a factor in 1980 as it is today. Nor was cable news around to wear everyone down with 24/7 reporting.
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I was listening to Rush on the drive back from lunch. He made a good point, early voting wasn't nearly a factor in 1980 as it is today. Nor was cable news around to wear everyone down with 24/7 reporting.
Yeah excuses excuses...
So Rush already knows "we" lost?
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Did you hear her latest screech fest? My God it was awful. I can't imagine listening to her for four or eight years. Shoot me now
There is not one single thing about the Beast that is likeable. I would not be able to listen to the radio or tv as long as she is president, if she wins. Her voice is suicide inducing. At least when I hear the Donald's voice all I want to do is roll my eyes. I'd rather roll my eyes for the next 4 years than want to kill myself.
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There is not one single thing about the Beast that is likeable. I would not be able to listen to the radio or tv as long as she is president, if she wins. Her voice is suicide inducing. At least when I hear the Donald's voice all I want to do is roll my eyes. I'd rather roll my eyes for the next 4 years than want to kill myself.
At what point will you recognize we suffered a velvet coup that the vast majority now applaud?
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Vanity - This is not 1980
Really? You mean I can't go down the Pontiac dealer and *order a new Bonneville?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9a/51/1c/9a511c009c3936930cfb9c6ab36286c1.jpg)
(*For those who don't know, you used to have to order your car and wait a month for it to be built.)
I wanna land barge. :hard crying:
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Just how do you propose to do that?
I think Jazzhead is on the right track. The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid. If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered. It's a downer. The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters. You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence. Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support. With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.
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Reagan had a huge led in all the polls for months and months
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I wanna land barge. :hard crying:
http://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/cc-temp/listing/38/5422/150799-1969-chrysler-newport-std.jpg
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I think Jazzhead is on the right track. The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid. If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered. It's a downer. The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters. You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence. Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support. With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.
The problem with working hard today is that the government usually takes more than half of what you earn (fed, state, local, et al). That's why Reagan's 28% top tax rate was genius.
It's not what you make anymore, it's what you keep.
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Reagan had a huge led in all the polls for months and months
Pretty much ... in the modern era of polling, there have been no last minute come-from-behind winners at the presidential level. 1968 and 1976 were pretty close, but the voters reverted to the early favorites in the end.
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I wanna land barge. :hard crying:
LOL. Come to my house. I have the market cornered.
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LOL. Come to my house. I have the market cornered.
I bet you do, @Frank Cannon
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/467/2061/26166030001_large.jpg)
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I bet you do, @Frank Cannon
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/467/2061/26166030001_large.jpg)
G'pa used to get a new one of those for G'ma every year.
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I bet you do, @Frank Cannon
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/467/2061/26166030001_large.jpg)
Actually @corbe I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......
(http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/lazlo4/Fleetwood/78%20Fleetwood.jpg)
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I had one of these for a few years back in the late 80s....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/1976_Chrysler_New_Yorker.jpg)
1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham
Nothing like a land yacht!
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Actually @corbe I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......
(http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/lazlo4/Fleetwood/78%20Fleetwood.jpg)
Looks pristine for a GM product of that Era, Especially up North with all the Salt.
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Actually @corbe I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......
(http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/lazlo4/Fleetwood/78%20Fleetwood.jpg)
@Frank Cannon
Like the station wagon, what is it?
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today. If the GOP nomined someone as likable and personable as Reagan today he would win.
We've I st had shitty candidates and the dems have gotten really good at nominating likable candidates.
We've had plenty of good candidates.
The problem is that the GOP primary voter never votes for them.
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I think Jazzhead is on the right track. The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid. If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered. It's a downer. The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters. You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence. Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support. With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.
Yep.
And in Rubio, we had a candidate that:
1. had the home-state advantage in Florida (critical for any GOP win)
2. had a positive, aspirational message for *ALL* Americans
3. had a personal life story that embodied the American Dream (rags-to-riches, son of immigrants to President)
So naturally, the GOP primary voters hated him.
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I think Jazzhead is on the right track. The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid. If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered. It's a downer. The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters. You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence. Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support. With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.
Reagan's 1980 nomination acceptance speech set the perfect tone. Reagan rightfully laid plenty of blame at the feet of the democrats but then he moved on and spoke of what we could do together as a nation. Reagan went 180 degrees in the opposite direction as Trump.
(http://i.imgur.com/9NMb5Zy.png)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukzTmu8tPA
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@Frank Cannon
Like the station wagon, what is it?
A '76 Olds Custom Cruiser that I dropped a high compression 455 in to obliterate punk kids in tuner cars.
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A '76 Olds Custom Cruiser that I dropped a high compression 455 in to obliterate punk kids in tuner cars.
Sweet! We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat.
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Sweet! We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat.
In '76 all full size GM wagon 3rd seats were forward facing.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/Tennesseestorm/Tonys%20Kingswood%20Estate/018.jpg)
Mine also has the electric disappearing gate.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/72/24/4f/72244f749aa0eee22f88bf5efd44d551.jpg)
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A '76 Olds Custom Cruiser that I dropped a high compression 455 in to obliterate punk kids in tuner cars.
This street legal rocket will beat that.
Stock acceleration is 0-60... in 2.9 seconds.
And it eats up turns like a ravenous Bugblatter beast.
(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/ariel-atom_0.jpg?itok=91RDgPPa)
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This street legal rocket will beat your land barge.
Stock acceleration is 0-60... in 2.9 seconds.
And it eats up turns like a ravenous Bugblatter beast.
(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/ariel-atom_0.jpg?itok=91RDgPPa)
The Ariel Atom beats cycles. I want the V8 version.
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Sweet! We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat.
@Oceander @Frank Cannon
We had a 70 or 71 that has the read facing seat.
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@Oceander @Frank Cannon
We had a 70 or 71 that has the read facing seat.
'70 yes, unless it was a Vista Cruiser or a Sportwagon. In '71 all GM's were front facing except for Pontiac and Chevy intermediates.
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Bench seats... Another great thing killed by the gooberment! 😀
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Bench seats... Another great thing killed by the gooberment! 😀
I thought that people hating them is why they are not around......except in trucks.
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I thought that people hating them is why they are not around......except in trucks.
2 drunk fools in the 50's loving on one is why I'm here.
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Truth
And all goodness seems to have left the earth ... politically speaking.
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SERIOUSLY. Color me shocked. I can't imagine anyone more unlikeable than the Beast, including the Donald. Just her voice alone makes me want to hide. :shrug:
Every time I see the Donald on TV flailing his arms around and pursing his nasty little mouth, I am sick. I have reason to despise Hillary but she does not have the same visceral effect on me when I see her.
I know she is a horrible corrupt person...know that full well, which makes it really weird that I would prefer her over anyone else in the known universe.
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2 drunk fools in the 50's loving on one is why I'm here.
I almost killed a guy with a bench seat. Pledged them up that day to get a good shine. Later diving around I started driving erratically for fun and my drunk buddy slid towards me and then slid out the damn door. Luckily he was drunk because he just got a little scraped up.
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What was so unlikable about Romney? The guy was as vanilla as it gets.
I didn't dislike Romney at all but he was not effective in the debates against Obama.
Obama had a total lock on the Black vote along with the liberal vote which made him hard to beat.
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The premise is true, Carter did not aid the rise of the worse terrorist organization since World War II, ISIS nor give the largest terrorist sponsor in the world, billions of dollars while aiding their nuclear capabilities.
Real sharp observation, 2016 is not 1980.
Carter sat by passively while our embassy was held hostage by a foreign nation.
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Did John Anderson affect the 1980 election at all? I was 4.
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I bet you do, @Frank Cannon
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/467/2061/26166030001_large.jpg)
I walk by this guy's house every day who has a huge ancient cadillac in his driveway covered in tarp. What he plans to do with it, I have no idea. But then, my husband insisted on keeping his Grand Marquis as a pet after we got another car ... he loved it so much.
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Did John Anderson affect the 1980 election at all? I was 4.
Yes. He was the first Presidential candidates endorsed by a cartoonist.
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Vanity - This is not 1980
Really? You mean I can't go down the Pontiac dealer and *order a new Bonneville?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9a/51/1c/9a511c009c3936930cfb9c6ab36286c1.jpg)
(*For those who don't know, you used to have to order your car and wait a month for it to be built.)
I miss my Pontiacs. I am looking for a Bonneville right now. Always partial to Chevelle for my ride (or the pickup, of course), but the family sedan was always, always a Catalina or a Bonneville.
I will find one more. One_Last_time... Already have a Pontiac 428 Interceptor sitting in a shed...
Go through it and restore it all the way, but with overdrive, aftermarket to upgrade steering and brakes...
And I'll keep this one till I die.
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Sweet! We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat.
That was SO awesome! You could barf all over the back window, and not even have to turn around.
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Vanity - This is not 1980
Really? You mean I can't go down the Pontiac dealer and *order a new Bonneville?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9a/51/1c/9a511c009c3936930cfb9c6ab36286c1.jpg)
(*For those who don't know, you used to have to order your car and wait a month for it to be built.)
You gonna get one with that awesome 5.7 L diesel?
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You gonna get one with that awesome 5.7 L diesel?
A smoke belching land barge... :lubyou:
win-win
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You gonna get one with that awesome 5.7 L diesel?
LOL. You bet'cha. The brochure says the diesel will save me a lot of money on fuel because it will self destruct at 40K miles and I will have to walk.
(http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/02/Diesel-crop.jpg)
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Good thing I didn't give up my day job, lol.
Thanks to all that kept the thread going.
I'm off to the Alamodome for the Texas Marching Band finals. I was sweating it, but our school (Coppell) is one of the 12 finalists.
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No, it better since the GOP controls the WH, the Senate and the US House. The GOP, via Trump will control the appointment of the next SC Justice.
But I know, today is for venting, crying and raging not thinking.