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Title: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: ICorpsVeteran on May 19, 2016, 01:55:07 am
Despite being a leader in the Republican Party, getting a chance to be a gracious loser or improving the prospects of beating Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz is unlikely to endorse Donald Trump for president — ever.

In previous columns, I’ve written about how GOP leaders are squandering political capital and time pouting about Trump. Top Republicans such as House Speaker Paul Ryan are helping to divide the party by withholding endorsements from Trump, who needs a united front to beat Clinton in November.

But for Cruz, avoiding a formal endorsement of his rival makes sense, even if it defies the party principle of fighting it out in the primary but supporting the winner in the general election.

Here’s why.

Cruz doesn’t want to become a phony, particularly with the conservative base he’s nurtured since his stunning 2012 Senate victory.

With his respectable showing in the presidential race, Cruz is now the leader of the staunch conservative movement, and part of the lineage that includes Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. He badly wanted to carry that mantle in the 2016 race for the White House. He brashly said Republicans had not nominated a true conservative for president since Reagan in 1980.

Cruz and many of his supporters don’t consider Trump a conservative but a shyster looking to take advantage of angry, frustrated voters.

After misguided praise in the early part of the primary season, Cruz tried to unravel Trump by pointing out his past support of Democrats like Bill and Hillary Clinton and his previous liberal stances on issues ranging from spending to abortion.

But Trump tapped into a populism that sprang from the Republican base. His supporters cared more about Trump’s message and appeal than his credentials inside the traditional conservative movement. At the same time, Cruz’s base proved too small to compete with Trump, who pilfered voters across the Republican spectrum.

Yet many self-described conservatives have accepted Trump’s victory and will support him in November, including Sen. John Cornyn, Rep. Michael Burgess and Rep. Pete Sessions. Being a good Republican dictates rallying around the fair and square winner of the primary.

But neither of those elected leaders have aspirations like Cruz, who is hoping to run for president again in 2020.

Cruz believes Clinton will pummel Trump in November, creating a scenario in which Republicans will have to re-examine their party and figure out how to win national elections again.

That’s when Cruz can argue: “I told you so.” He’ll tell Republicans that it’s time to nominate a real conservative, not a poser. It’s tougher to make that argument if he endorses and clasps hands with Trump in a show of unity.

Though he won’t admit it, Cruz should have been trying to expose Trump from the moment the New York businessman began to show strength in the polls.

A vanquished Trump is good politics for Cruz, just as it was in 1976 for Reagan, when President Gerald Ford won the GOP nomination but lost the White House to Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter. Reagan rebounded to win the 1980 Republican nomination and beat Carter in the general election to become president.

Cruz fancies himself as the second coming of Reagan, and he hopes to sooth the wounds Trump gave him with another chance to lead a conservative, grassroots army.

That’s why he’ll never endorse Trump.



If Trump does win in November, it’s unlikely that he’ll pick Cruz for his Cabinet or name him a Supreme Court nominee. I doubt if Cruz would want any part of a Trump administration, preferring to remain a Senate watchdog for conservative priorities.

If the Senate gets too stale and the White House is out of reach, Cruz will have to option of one day returning to Texas, perhaps running for governor in 2022 against Julian Castro, the former San Antonio mayor who is currently U.S. housing secretary.

Whatever the case, it’s important for Cruz to have his conservative credibility intact.


http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/why-ted-cruz-will-never-endorse-donald-trump-for-president.html/
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 19, 2016, 02:10:33 am
Cruz and many of his supporters don’t consider Trump a conservative but a shyster looking to take advantage of angry, frustrated voters

Did the Cruz PAC refuse the Trump contribution, or return it?
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 19, 2016, 02:12:13 am
Good to see you here.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: mystery-ak on May 19, 2016, 02:17:06 am
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Whatever the case, it’s important for Cruz to have his conservative credibility intact.

Interesting...but I bet this is right.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: austingirl on May 19, 2016, 02:21:01 am
I agree that Cruz should have gone after Trump early on. The crowded field did not help and the billions in free advertising Trump got made it impossible for Cruz this year. He has my full support as my Senator and I hope he will run in 2020.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2016, 02:22:25 am
Interesting...but I bet this is right.

What's more conservative than uniting to stop Hillary from controlling our economy, military and courts?   :pondering:
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: sinkspur on May 19, 2016, 02:27:18 am
What's more conservative than uniting to stop Hillary from controlling our economy, military and courts?   :pondering:

Got anybody in mind? 

Uniting behind the lying, Democrat-until-five-minutes-ago Trump is out of the question.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Norm Lenhart on May 19, 2016, 02:30:18 am
What's more conservative than uniting to stop Hillary from controlling our economy, military and courts?   :pondering:

Whats conservative about uniting behind a demonstrated liberal with the expectation of conservative outcomes? If you order steak, you don't get fish. Simple math.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Suppressed on May 19, 2016, 02:35:30 am
Besides, there's the very personal reason that a man shouldn't endorse a cad who lied and insulted his spouse.  Someone that despicable deserves nothing but contempt.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Jazzhead on May 19, 2016, 02:41:02 am
What's more conservative than uniting to stop Hillary from controlling our economy, military and courts?   :pondering:

Unity isn't possible this year, RIV.  I wish it were otherwise.   It's not so much Trump's ideas or priorities. Otherwise I'd concede the majority and practice solidarity.   It's Trump the man.   There are things worse than Clinton, things worse than liberal SCOTUS appointments.    Trump has an unstable personality; he holds grudges,  he conducts politics like a schoolyard bully.   He appeals to our prejudices, he's a political grindhouse operator.

IMO,  it is morally necessary to oppose Donald Trump.   Cruz apparently believes it is politically necessary as well.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Fantom on May 19, 2016, 02:43:08 am
I agree that Cruz should have gone after Trump early on. The crowded field did not help and the billions in free advertising Trump got made it impossible for Cruz this year. He has my full support as my Senator and I hope he will run in 2020.

Like wise here.  Not my Senator as I am an Okie.

I would add one item..Scam Wow won the KKK vote. That did help the orange lair carry the south when there were 17 candidates.

trump does not represent me.. anymore than Hillary does.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: austingirl on May 19, 2016, 02:44:03 am
Unity isn't possible this year, RIV.  I wish it were otherwise.   It's not so much Trump's ideas or priorities. Otherwise I'd concede the majority and practice solidarity.   It's Trump the man.   There are things worse than Clinton, things worse than liberal SCOTUS appointments.    Trump has an unstable personality; he holds grudges,  he conducts politics like a schoolyard bully.   He appeals to our prejudices, he's a political grindhouse operator.

IMO,  it is morally necessary to oppose Donald Trump.   Cruz apparently believes it is politically necessary as well.
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Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Fantom on May 19, 2016, 02:45:00 am
Unity isn't possible this year, RIV.  I wish it were otherwise.   It's not so much Trump's ideas or priorities. Otherwise I'd concede the majority and practice solidarity.   It's Trump the man.   There are things worse than Clinton, things worse than liberal SCOTUS appointments.    Trump has an unstable personality; he holds grudges,  he conducts politics like a schoolyard bully.   He appeals to our prejudices, he's a political grindhouse operator.

IMO,  it is morally necessary to oppose Donald Trump.   Cruz apparently believes it is politically necessary as well.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 19, 2016, 03:37:36 am
Got anybody in mind? 

Uniting behind the lying, Democrat-until-five-minutes-ago Trump is out of the question.

 :mauslaff: :laughingdog: :bigsilly: 88finger point 000hehehehe
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 19, 2016, 03:42:56 am
Besides, there's the very personal reason that a man shouldn't endorse a cad who lied and insulted his spouse.  Someone that despicable deserves nothing but contempt.

Yes, family should be left out, but the GOP didn't, did they?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/03/22/group-launches-new-attack-on-trump-by-shaming-his-wife/

in one of its ads, instead of attacking The Donald directly, Make America Awesome, the super PAC founded by Republican strategist Liz Mair, takes a shot at Melania,
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: verga on May 19, 2016, 10:02:10 am
Some time is February or March the Trumpdavidians will realize that he is a much of an empty suit as Obozo. Buyers remorse will set in and hopefully they will be mature enough to admit their error and support Cruz in 4 years.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 19, 2016, 01:34:09 pm
Some time is February or March the Trumpdavidians will realize that he is a much of an empty suit as Obozo. Buyers remorse will set in and hopefully they will be mature enough to admit their error and support Cruz in 4 years.

The assumption is that Cruz is going to win reelection to the Senate. A lot of Former Cruz supporters came to dislike him during the primary, losing their trust in him. Admit it or not, he damaged himself with things he did and said in the Primary and still is harming himself to many conservatives now with his actions. He barely won his home state... that's a massive red flag.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: ConstitutionRose on May 19, 2016, 01:39:15 pm
The assumption is that Cruz is going to win reelection to the Senate. A lot of Former Cruz supporters came to dislike him during the primary, losing their trust in him. Admit it or not, he damaged himself with things he did and said in the Primary and still is harming himself to many conservatives now with his actions. He barely won his home state... that's a massive red flag.

By the time the election rolls around they will be Cruz supporters again.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: aligncare on May 19, 2016, 01:49:03 pm
The assumption is that Cruz is going to win reelection to the Senate. A lot of Former Cruz supporters came to dislike him during the primary, losing their trust in him. Admit it or not, he damaged himself with things he did and said in the Primary and still is harming himself to many conservatives now with his actions. He barely won his home state... that's a massive red flag.

Yes, no one is really that interested in rallying around a loser. Ted Cruz lost. He was overwhelming rejected by the voters. Those that continue to harbor the fantasy of a contested convention are only making it difficult to unite and move forward to defeat the Democrats in November.

Good to see you back and posting in good spirits! You do an awesome job of defending the next president of the United States, Donald J Trump. The dead enders never seem to give up. They are like the Japanese soldiers in the jungles of the Pacific who continued to fight the war after it had been lost...
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 19, 2016, 01:50:19 pm
By the time the election rolls around they will be Cruz supporters again.
Not if he helps to elect Hillary with his #neverTrump antics.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: RedHead on May 19, 2016, 01:57:25 pm
The assumption is that Cruz is going to win reelection to the Senate. A lot of Former Cruz supporters came to dislike him during the primary, losing their trust in him. Admit it or not, he damaged himself with things he did and said in the Primary and still is harming himself to many conservatives now with his actions. He barely won his home state... that's a massive red flag.

I would wager that not only will Cruz win re-election in 2018 but he will win it handily.  After two years of Trump's incompetence and after standing up to him time after time to keep him from growing government and running up the deficit Cruz will be looking like a winner again.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: ExFreeper on May 19, 2016, 02:04:34 pm
I would wager that not only will Cruz win re-election in 2018 but he will win it handily.  After two years of Trump's incompetence and after standing up to him time after time to keep him from growing government and running up the deficit Cruz will be looking like a winner again.

(https://luckybogey.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/groupclapping.gif)

   CRUZ 2020
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Jazzhead on May 19, 2016, 03:15:42 pm
Trumpdavidians

Great word!  Hope you don't mind me stealing it  :beer:
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2016, 03:23:02 pm
Unity isn't possible this year, RIV.  I wish it were otherwise.   It's not so much Trump's ideas or priorities. Otherwise I'd concede the majority and practice solidarity.   It's Trump the man.   There are things worse than Clinton, things worse than liberal SCOTUS appointments.    Trump has an unstable personality; he holds grudges,  he conducts politics like a schoolyard bully.   He appeals to our prejudices, he's a political grindhouse operator.

IMO,  it is morally necessary to oppose Donald Trump.   Cruz apparently believes it is politically necessary as well.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2016, 04:21:20 pm
Trump called Cruz a "Liar",   and nicknamed him "Lying Ted".    His associates asserted he was a serial adulterer  and smeared his good name.   


Trump himself suggested Cruz's father was involved with the assassination of President Kennedy.   



Trump has made it personal.   He has said things that cannot be taken back,   and cannot be forgiven.   


Cruz would be seen as less than a man if he endorsed Donald Trump.    It has nothing to do with  Politics,  it has to do with Trump having attacked the man's integrity,  his character,  and his family.   


No,   I don't think Cruz will ever endorse Trump.   I'll be shocked if he does,   even if Trump apologized.  Some things cannot be undone with an apology.   

Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: RedHead on May 19, 2016, 05:26:13 pm

No,   I don't think Cruz will ever endorse Trump.   I'll be shocked if he does,   even if Trump apologized.  Some things cannot be undone with an apology.

I'd be shocked if Trump apologized.  In his own narcissistic little world he doesn't think he's done anything to apologize for.  Other than that I agree completely with your analysis.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 19, 2016, 05:57:23 pm
The problem is the ideologues making up the "conservative base". The so-called conservative base of the Republican party is relatively small. The fact is, the base needs moderates and independents if they ever expect to win another national election.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 19, 2016, 06:08:12 pm
I'd be shocked if Trump apologized.  In his own narcissistic little world he doesn't think he's done anything to apologize for. 

(http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/i-admire-your-commitment-to-beating-a-dead-horse-d8ccf.png)
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: DiogenesLamp on May 19, 2016, 06:16:48 pm
The problem is the ideologues making up the "conservative base". The so-called conservative base of the Republican party is relatively small. The fact is, the base needs moderates and independents if they ever expect to win another national election.


The solution to the problems which ail the nation is not moderation.   The nation needs,  in fact,   to go in the direction that only the most arch conservatives currently articulate.   


Any thing else is merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.   


"Moderation"  is merely compromising with Liberal Democrats.   It might help get you elected,   but it won't solve any actual problems. 


Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 19, 2016, 06:35:43 pm

The solution to the problems which ail the nation is not moderation.   The nation needs,  in fact,   to go in the direction that only the most arch conservatives currently articulate.   


Any thing else is merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.   


"Moderation"  is merely compromising with Liberal Democrats.   It might help get you elected,   but it won't solve any actual problems.

There will be no solutions without moderation. This is 2016. Society has changed immensely since the Reagan years. I can't see how we can ever go back. I would like to go back, but young people promote and support drug use, abortion, same sex marriage, etc. Who is going to change them?
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: DrewsDad on May 20, 2016, 05:52:58 pm
Welcome aboard @ICorpsVeteran  !!!

I'm glad you made it.

 :patriot:


Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 20, 2016, 06:01:47 pm

The solution to the problems which ail the nation is not moderation.   The nation needs,  in fact,   to go in the direction that only the most arch conservatives currently articulate.   


Any thing else is merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.   


"Moderation"  is merely compromising with Liberal Democrats.   It might help get you elected,   but it won't solve any actual problems.
There may be hope for that here. The issues of Morality are intertwined strongly with The Courts, Education and Religious Freedom
On all three Areas Trump has indicated movement in positive directions for them.
He has put out a list of strong conservative Judges.
He has promised to eliminate Federal control of Education and move it back to State control.
He has promised to protect Freedom of religion.

All of these may or may not happen. If they do we go in the direction of healing our culture. We have no chance of that if Hillary gets in.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: ScottinVA on May 20, 2016, 07:42:14 pm

Trump has made it personal.   He has said things that cannot be taken back,   and cannot be forgiven.   
 

That's the key right there.  It's one thing for candidates to attack each other, but to attack the opponent's family members is another issue altogether.  And included in that context of attacking Cruz' family members are the smears on Heidi Cruz, the Trump-abetted National Enquirer character assassination on Ted Cruz' marriage, and the accusation that Rafael Cruz assisted Oswald in the assassination of JFK. 

Yet... suddenly, Trump wants Cruz just to drop the whole matter and endorse him.   

Besides, what's the gain with smoothing the waters with Cruz?  Trump has already stated party unity isn't necessary.

It doesn't work that way... What Trump should do is something he's never done -- apologize in public about that character assassination of Cruz.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 20, 2016, 07:48:33 pm
That's the key right there.  It's one thing for candidates to attack each other, but to attack the opponent's family members is another issue altogether.  And included in that context of attacking Cruz' family members are the smears on Heidi Cruz, the Trump-abetted National Enquirer character assassination on Ted Cruz' marriage, and the accusation that Rafael Cruz assisted Oswald in the assassination of JFK. 

Yet... suddenly, Trump wants Cruz just to drop the whole matter and endorse him.   

Besides, what's the gain with smoothing the waters with Cruz?  Trump has already stated party unity isn't necessary.

It doesn't work that way... What Trump should do is something he's never done -- apologize in public about that character assassination of Cruz.
Cruz camp started the personal attacks -h ere is where it started.
http://dcwhispers.com/report-cruz-campaign-prepared-sex-scandal-story-several-weeks/#AJoswBgC2KtGEf4S.99

And No the Lawyer argument of the PAC will not fly, this is not a court room.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 20, 2016, 08:10:53 pm
How does the link to the story of Trump's buddy dumping the story of the #CruzSexLies in the NE equate to Cruz starting the personal attacks?

 Posted on March 25, 2016 by DCWhispers   

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DC Whispers has received information that suggests an effort by the Cruz Campaign to prepare for the now burgeoning scandal has been in the works for “several weeks” and includes, but is not limited to, the most recent back and forth social media spat between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump that was initiated by a Cruz Super PAC using a sixteen year old modeling photo of Mr. Trump’s wife which was then distributed to Mormon-dominated voters of Utah just prior to that state’s caucus election:
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: catfish1957 on May 20, 2016, 08:19:34 pm
Why I would seriously doubt that Cruz or any other sane candidate under the same circumstances  would endorse  Trump:

(1) Accuse your father of being part of the JFK assassination 
(2) Create false meme of "Lyin"  Ted.  Trump is the master deception perception generator.
(3) Attack his wife with some of the most unflattering garbage ever in a primary.
(4) With help of stone and pecker create a false infidelity scandal via Trump's allies at National Enquirer.
(5) Accusations of cheating in delegate securing process, when all Cruz' activities were within the rules.

Think about folks, do we need a POTUS (Trump) who can barely speak in complete sentences?
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: ExFreeper on May 20, 2016, 08:41:12 pm
... do we need a POTUS (Trump) who can barely speak in complete sentences?

Give him some time.  I read that he has received speaking sessions from Sarah P. with additional lessons scheduled between now and the GOP convention this summer.  I'm told the lessons include simple sentence structure, repeating key words/phases for the low info voter, dialect inversion, etc since his key voter demographic is bubba and bubbette.  There is also a rumor that he has enlisted a key Bernie linguist in an attempt to sway over the Burnie millennials and coastal socialists.

(https://luckybogey.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/trump10.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 20, 2016, 08:58:00 pm
Give him some time.  I read that he has received speaking sessions from Sarah P. with additional lessons scheduled between now and the GOP convention this summer.  I'm told the lessons include simple sentence structure, repeating key words/phases for the low info voter, dialect inversion, etc since his key voter demographic is bubba and bubbette.  There is also a rumor that he has enlisted a key Bernie linguist in an attempt to sway over the Burnie millennials and coastal socialists.

Not everyone is blessed with the silken, forked-tongue of a lawyer.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 20, 2016, 09:08:52 pm
The problem is the ideologues making up the "conservative base". The so-called conservative base of the Republican party is relatively small. The fact is, the base needs moderates and independents if they ever expect to win another national election.

I disagree.
The conservative base is at least 25%, probably 33%, possibly as high as 40%.
You will need those 25 to 40% of "relatively small" base to win in November.
Their just aren't enough moderates and independents out there to cover those types of percentages, and they tend to split both ways, anyway.

Let's say you may be half right, and you will need moderates and independents,you will probably need both.

If you ignore, ridicule, or anger the conservative base, you will lose for certain.
The conservative base are the people most likely to get involved and actively campaign.
The moderates and independents, not so much.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 20, 2016, 09:45:54 pm
I disagree.
The conservative base is at least 25%, probably 33%, possibly as high as 40%.
You will need those 25 to 40% of "relatively small" base to win in November.
Their just aren't enough moderates and independents out there to cover those types of percentages, and they tend to split both ways, anyway.

Let's say you may be half right, and you will need moderates and independents,you will probably need both.

If you ignore, ridicule, or anger the conservative base, you will lose for certain.
The conservative base are the people most likely to get involved and actively campaign.
The moderates and independents, not so much.

You are free to disagree. The fact is  right wing conservative ideologues are a minority in the Republican party and conservatives are a minority of registered voters. We even managed to lose to Obama TWICE! If the Republican candidate can't attract conservative democrats and independents, Republicans won't win a national now or in the foreseeable future.

The ignore, ridicule and anger is a two way street.

I'm a hard right conservative when it comes to US security, spending, smaller and more efficient government, trade, states rights and the 2nd Amendment. Not as concerned with social issues because they'll mostly be decided by   
the courts. If Hillary is elected, we can kiss the court and social issues good-bye.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 20, 2016, 09:52:44 pm
And that was debunked, but you already know that. 

Doesn't matter.  I'm done dealing with such silliness today.  I have the flu and am not in the best of moods.  Not going to get into the argument with you that I suspect has been had with you by many others over the last few months.  It's pointless.  If you want to keep floating BS out there, then have it.
I have seen nothing credible i.e. from other then Lyin' Ted or the or the Bush Cabal (GOPe) that has debunked it. As I said real voters do not buy the PAC alone argument. This is proven by Cruz losing so badly.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: bootless on May 21, 2016, 02:29:12 am
Posted on March 25, 2016 by DCWhispers

To be accurate, Liz Mair's PAC was not a Cruz PAC. It was an anti-Trump PAC, and she was originally a Rubio supporter.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 21, 2016, 02:31:25 am
To be accurate, Liz Mair's PAC was not a Cruz PAC. It was an anti-Trump PAC, and she was originally a Rubio supporter.
To be more accurate the FEC is still looking into the half million dollar transfer...
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: roamer_1 on May 21, 2016, 02:39:44 am
Some time is February or March the Trumpdavidians will realize that he is a much of an empty suit as Obozo. Buyers remorse will set in and hopefully they will be mature enough to admit their error and support Cruz in 4 years.

Well, maybe, but I think awareness will occur in about September... You know, when the begging and pleading phase begins...
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Mechanicos on May 21, 2016, 02:50:47 am
Well, maybe, but I think awareness will occur in about September... You know, when the begging and pleading phase begins...
By the time September rolls around the few remaining sore losers will be stuck mumbling to stuffed animals in a corner somewhere as a single digit group of malcontents still reading Red State.  Trump is going to win this.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: roamer_1 on May 21, 2016, 02:57:37 am
By the time September rolls around the few remaining sore losers will be stuck mumbling to stuffed animals in a corner somewhere as a single digit group of malcontents still reading Red State.  Trump is going to win this.

Riiight. I've been hearing it frmo RINOs trying to go 'up the middle' my whole life. Lots of strutting and pomp, and claims of how they don't need Conservatives this year...

Then around September, they realize they aren't gonna get the job done...
Then comes whining and begging, and pleading... Which falls upon deaf ears.
Then they lose.
Then it's the Conservatives' fault for doing exactly what they said they'd do.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: LonestarDream on May 21, 2016, 03:18:55 am
Very well stated, we are looking at 25 - 40 % of the base.  My head will likely make me vote for Trump but my heart is not in it.  Trump and his supporters are STILL attacking Cruz.

Very stupid tactic, emotionally.  Even if Ted does not endorse Trump, it would behoove Trump to be gracious.  Even if Trump wins, it could be a one and out scenario or even a Dilma scenario.

More likely, we will get Arnold or Ventura in there.  Arnold lost Cali for good.  Can someone refresh my memory if Ventura ever got a second term?

I disagree.
The conservative base is at least 25%, probably 33%, possibly as high as 40%.
You will need those 25 to 40% of "relatively small" base to win in November.
Their just aren't enough moderates and independents out there to cover those types of percentages, and they tend to split both ways, anyway.

Let's say you may be half right, and you will need moderates and independents,you will probably need both.

If you ignore, ridicule, or anger the conservative base, you will lose for certain.
The conservative base are the people most likely to get involved and actively campaign.
The moderates and independents, not so much.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Emjay on May 21, 2016, 03:46:16 am
There is no benefit to anyone for Ted Cruz to endorse Trump.  It would only hurt Ted to endorse such a horrible phony who has lied about him consistently.  Plus, he would be betraying his own principles and his future to endorse Trump.

I hope he doesn't do it.  I don't think he will.

And there would be no particular upside for Trump either.  People are set into one of three camps now and, barring something really dramatic happening, I don't see that changing.

One camp is the trumpers who worship Trump and will vote for him with or without any endorsements.

One camp is the NeverTrumps who cannot bring themselves to vote for this man for reasons we all know too well.

The third camp is the better than Hillary camp.  I consider myself a member of that camp.

We know what Hillary will do.  We have good reason to know that and it will be horrible.

There is a chance, however slight, that Donald Trump will somehow blunder into or be persuaded to do a few things right.    With that hope, I will vote for Trump if it looks close in Hawaii.

The only time Hawaii went for a Republican presidential candidate was in 1984 and Trump is no Ronald Reagan.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: annieokie on May 21, 2016, 04:17:05 am
I'd be shocked if Trump apologized.  In his own narcissistic little world he doesn't think he's done anything to apologize for.  Other than that I agree completely with your analysis.

Even if he apologized, he would just walk I back by the end of the day. Cruz should never endorse that monster, no need to sully his good name and character.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 21, 2016, 04:41:49 am
Cruz should never  endorse that monster, no need to sully his good name and character.

What character?  Cruz signed a pledge and didn't keep it because he lost---a third place loser in 10 primaries.  Any attorney worth his law degree would understand it is this action that sullies a "good" name. 
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: A-Lert on May 21, 2016, 05:22:18 am
What character?  Cruz signed a pledge and didn't keep it because he lost---a third place loser in 10 primaries.  Any attorney worth his law degree would understand it is this action that sullies a "good" name.

 :thumbsup:

You know what they say about people who backtrack and don't keep their word.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: OldSaltUSN on May 21, 2016, 05:44:37 am
BTTT

The reason may also be less selfish.  Cruz may thing that a President Trump, even if he's able to pull off a victory, will devastate the conservative movement as it's defacto standard bearer.

If the GOP and conservatives become the party of more abortions, tax the wealthy, liberal Supreme Court Justices (well, even more so), "sensible" gun control, any-sexual bathrooms, and on and on, what will be left of it?

Nothing.

Cruz is this country's design margin back to true conservative principles.
Title: Re: Why Ted Cruz will never endorse Donald Trump for president
Post by: LonestarDream on May 21, 2016, 10:10:57 pm
 :beer:

Exactly how I feel as a Trump Realist Emjay.

There is no benefit to anyone for Ted Cruz to endorse Trump.  It would only hurt Ted to endorse such a horrible phony who has lied about him consistently.  Plus, he would be betraying his own principles and his future to endorse Trump.

I hope he doesn't do it.  I don't think he will.

And there would be no particular upside for Trump either.  People are set into one of three camps now and, barring something really dramatic happening, I don't see that changing.

One camp is the trumpers who worship Trump and will vote for him with or without any endorsements.

One camp is the NeverTrumps who cannot bring themselves to vote for this man for reasons we all know too well.

The third camp is the better than Hillary camp.  I consider myself a member of that camp.

We know what Hillary will do.  We have good reason to know that and it will be horrible.

There is a chance, however slight, that Donald Trump will somehow blunder into or be persuaded to do a few things right.    With that hope, I will vote for Trump if it looks close in Hawaii.

The only time Hawaii went for a Republican presidential candidate was in 1984 and Trump is no Ronald Reagan.