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Title: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: mystery-ak on February 22, 2016, 02:50:05 pm
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270241-graham-rubio-kasich-should-team-up

February 22, 2016, 09:21 am
Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket

By Jesse Byrnes

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is urging leading Republican presidential candidates behind Donald Trump to unite in an effort to bring down the GOP front-runner.
 
"I think a Kasich-Rubio ticket would be great," Graham said late Sunday during an interview with Rita Cosby on WABC, describing Kasich as a "terrific" governor of Ohio and Rubio as a "very, very talented" senator from Florida.
 
"Rubio-Kasich, Kasich-Rubio – I think those combinations, if they could consolidate and come together, would be [a] very potent ticket in the fall and maybe help us stop Trump," Graham said on the program before also floating a potential "Rubio-Kasich-Cruz alliance."
 
Graham, who ended his White House bid in December, had thrown his support behind former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who dropped out of the GOP race on Saturday after taking fourth behind Trump, Rubio and Cruz in the South Carolina primary.
 
Trump won all 50 delegates in that primary with nearly a third of the vote. He's also led in polls released earlier this month of voters in Nevada, which holds its GOP caucus Tuesday.
 
Graham suggested that a Trump presidency would "change the party for the worse."
 
"Donald Trump would get wiped out in November, but really make it hard for the party to succeed in the future," Graham said Sunday, arguing that Kasich and Rubio could help bring out voters in Ohio and Florida, which are swing states in the general election.
 
"I didn't make it, Jeb didn't make it, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I can tell you this, that I think I understand the nation pretty well in terms of what problems we have as Republicans," Graham said, ripping Trump's rhetoric on Hispanics and his "race baiting and religious bigotry."idential-races/270241-graham-rubio-kasich-should-team-up



Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: HAPPY2BME on February 22, 2016, 02:53:11 pm
Lindsey Graham 'floats' a lot of things.

He has been censored by his own party in his own state several times.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: katzenjammer on February 22, 2016, 02:54:07 pm

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I didn't make it, Jeb didn't make it, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

OK.

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Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2016, 02:57:25 pm
The establishment is SCARED to death!

And very soon, when the sitting chairman of the W&M committee bites the dust here, they will be even more SCARED!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Longiron on February 22, 2016, 02:59:52 pm
The establishment is SCARED to death!

And very soon, when the sitting chairman of the W&M committee bites the dust here, they will be even more SCARED!

BUT you support the establishment, why are you waiting for a establishment person to bite the dust? :thud:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: NavyCanDo on February 22, 2016, 03:00:07 pm
If they could stop attacking each other a Rubio/Cruz or Cruz/Rubio ticket would bring Trump's campaign to a screeching halt. 
On paper comparing their platforms,  there is very little difference between the two.

Of course one of them would have to do the unlikely thing and  withdrawal. But if Trump runs the table on Super Tuesday and one of these two does poorly, the odds of it happening could go up.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2016, 03:01:02 pm
BUT you support the establishment, why are you waiting for a establishment person to bite the dust? :thud:

Where in the HELL did you ever get that Idea! I voted for TED CRUZ!!!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Longiron on February 22, 2016, 03:06:57 pm
Where in the HELL did you ever get that Idea! I voted for TED CRUZ!!!

CRUZ is the establishment. He has DONORS that are killing his campaign. He voted for TPP, very lite on immigration and wants amnesty. TPP is a way to get amnesty without saying you are for it. **nononono*
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2016, 03:10:58 pm
CRUZ is the establishment. He has DONORS that are killing his campaign. He voted for TPP, very lite on immigration and wants amnesty. TPP is a way to get amnesty without saying you are for it. **nononono*

Cruz has actually PROVEN that he will stand up against the establishment while your guy has done anything but! In fact, your guy has proven to me that he is as LIBERAL as they come! No way he get's the nomination! NONE!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Longiron on February 22, 2016, 06:32:32 pm
Cruz has actually PROVEN that he will stand up against the establishment while your guy has done anything but! In fact, your guy has proven to me that he is as LIBERAL as they come! No way he get's the nomination! NONE!

Yes he is: wants to build a wall to stop open borders, stop the approval of TPP, Protect the 2nd amendment and let the good guys have guns and take them away from the bad guys, get rid of common core and get the FEDS out of education and let it be local. Hear of charter schools as an example, make better deals for the US from CHINA, Saudis, IRAN, Mexico, bring back the companies that left the country because of the corporate tax structure and move those jobs back to the US, STOP Inversions, Let Corporations bring back the 5 TRILLION they have offshore and invest back into the US. IF THAT IS liberal COUNT ABOUT 83% OF THE REPUBLICANS AS libs. Better do you homework before making anymore STUPID claims that TRUMP is a liberal. However, I do realize you cannot FIX stupid. VOTE for another politician and expect different results. In your lifetime that has never happened and that is called insanity. You don't like his personality and that is fine but look at something else that counts!! :chairbang:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: flowers on February 22, 2016, 06:48:40 pm
How Graham gets the attention he does is beyond me.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sinkspur on February 22, 2016, 07:00:05 pm
Trump can't "get rid of" Common Core.  That's a state program that the feds have no jurisdiction over.

It's not the tax structure that causes businesses to go offshore.  It's the cost of labor. America can never compete for textile jobs or basic assembly jobs, like electronics.  Those jobs will never come back. 

Trump wants to tax the $5 trillion and corporations have already been taxed on that money.  They want to bring it back tax free.  So there's your stalemate.

If these issues were easy to resolve, they'd be resolved already.  Trump has duped you into thinking he can magically fix all this with his "negotiating skills", but you can't negotiate when the other guy holds all the cards.

Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 07:01:07 pm
CRUZ is the establishment. He has DONORS that are killing his campaign. He voted for TPP, very lite on immigration and wants amnesty. TPP is a way to get amnesty without saying you are for it. **nononono* 

Ted Cruz is owned by Wall Street, big oil and the drug industry making him a tainted and untrustworthy commodity.  Hurts to hear, but Ted Cruz has willingly surrendered his usefulness.   We do not need him in the White House as anything other than an invited guest.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 22, 2016, 07:02:20 pm
How Graham gets the attention he does is beyond me.

Because he's just made a very smart suggestion?   Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election.  Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose. 

It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate.  I've no desire to tilt at windmills. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 22, 2016, 07:03:54 pm
Ted Cruz is owned by Wall Street, big oil and the drug industry making him a tainted and untrustworthy commodity.  Hurts to hear, but Ted Cruz has willingly surrendered his usefulness.   We do not need him in the White House as anything other than an invited guest.

All the Trumpsters do is lie without shame.   
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 07:08:22 pm
Cruz has actually PROVEN that he will stand up against the establishment

Yup he has.  But when he took these noble steps he was answering to the Tea Party.

Today--and  through his political tomorrow--Ted Cruz answers to Wall Street, oil companies and the drug companies.  Cruz will now stand up against those he is ordered to stand up against - - - and that will most likely be us.

It seems Superman has gone and spit into the wind.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 07:09:34 pm
All the Trumpsters do is lie without shame.

Google is your friend.  Check out his SuperPac donors and rich lobbyist friends.  It's all there.  And it's all true.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: flowers on February 22, 2016, 07:11:17 pm
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion?   Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election.  Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose. 

It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate.  I've no desire to tilt at windmills.
No way Kasich/Rubio ticket gets the base out to vote. Kasich is as GOPe elite as they come. So is Rubio. Nothing you can tell me will get me to ever think otherwise, so don't try.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: mystery-ak on February 22, 2016, 07:12:31 pm
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Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 22, 2016, 07:14:50 pm
No way Kasich/Rubio ticket gets the base out to vote. Kasich is as GOPe elite as they come. So is Rubio. Nothing you can tell me will get me to ever think otherwise, so don't try.  :laugh:

But everyone's "GOPe elite" except Trump.  (And that's because he gives HIS money to the Democrat elite.)   
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 22, 2016, 07:19:47 pm
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion?   Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election.  Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose. 

It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate.  I've no desire to tilt at windmills.

I don't see it that way, Jazz.  I think a Kasich/Rubio or Rubio/Kasich ticket will be almost as successful as Romney/Ryan or McCain/Palin.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 22, 2016, 07:21:55 pm
Yup he has.  But when he took these noble steps he was answering to the Tea Party.

Today--and  through his political tomorrow--Ted Cruz answers to Wall Street, oil companies and the drug companies.  Cruz will now stand up against those he is ordered to stand up against - - - and that will most likely be us.

It seems Superman has gone and spit into the wind.   :smokin:

Yep, he's got a reputation of giving in and going along with what he's told to do....

Wait, don't you guys also say that he doesn't get along with anyone and has no friend?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2016, 07:23:29 pm
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"I didn't make it, Jeb didn't make it, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I'm completely with you there, Lindsey...........
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Scottftlc on February 22, 2016, 07:24:46 pm
I think I understand the nation pretty well in terms of what problems we have as Republicans, Graham said

Free of charge, Lindsey...we've identified where your problem is and why you have to be taken with that grain of salt you mentioned.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2016, 07:25:40 pm
Yep, he's got a reputation of giving in and going along with what he's told to do....

Wait, don't you guys also say that he doesn't get along with anyone and has no friend?

The folks who have turned on Cruz simply because of their loyalty to Trump have become very confused.............
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 07:31:13 pm
Yep, he's got a reputation of giving in and going along with what he's told to do...

He will if he wants to stay in office or get reelected.  Money--big, deep, coordinated money is the master power. 

Even if you don't believe it.    :shrug:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 07:33:48 pm
But everyone's "GOPe elite"

I thought the "e" in GOPe stood for "establishment".  Frankly, I'd prefer that over "elite".   

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Scottftlc on February 22, 2016, 07:38:21 pm
Trump can't "get rid of" Common Core.  That's a state program that the feds have no jurisdiction over.

It's not the tax structure that causes businesses to go offshore.  It's the cost of labor. America can never compete for textile jobs or basic assembly jobs, like electronics.  Those jobs will never come back. 

Trump wants to tax the $5 trillion and corporations have already been taxed on that money.  They want to bring it back tax free.  So there's your stalemate.

If these issues were easy to resolve, they'd be resolved already.  Trump has duped you into thinking he can magically fix all this with his "negotiating skills", but you can't negotiate when the other guy holds all the cards.

States earn extra points for federal education funding, in the form of grants which are offered competitively by the Department of Education in many programs - notably in Obama's Race to the Top program - by adopting common core standards.  State are not required to adopt Common Core by the federal government, however they are much better positioned to win federal grant money if they do.  If you remove the federal incentive for Common Core then you will allow states to dump it as in most cases the states are using that incentive for federal dollars to retain it.


Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 22, 2016, 07:40:26 pm
The folks who have turned on Cruz simply because of their loyalty to Trump have become very confused.............

Yes, and that is what is behind all of the ugliness. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2016, 07:47:01 pm
Yes, and that is what is behind all of the ugliness.

Yep.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Carling on February 22, 2016, 07:49:48 pm
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion?   Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election.  Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose. 

It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate.  I've no desire to tilt at windmills.

Hey I have a great idea how about Romney/McCain! 

When are the GOPe supporters and politicians going to come to the reality many of us have moved on from the lies and the ineptitude, and we're not coming back?

Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 22, 2016, 07:58:01 pm
The folks who have turned on Cruz simply because of their loyalty to Trump have become very confused.............

And are allowing their GUT over ride their brains!  For a conservative to support Trump requires the suspension of the use of facts and evidence!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 22, 2016, 08:33:00 pm

When are the GOPe supporters and politicians going to come to the reality many of us have moved on from the lies and the ineptitude, and we're not coming back?

Speaking for myself,  I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back.  They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2016, 08:43:41 pm
And are allowing their GUT over ride their brains!  For a conservative to support Trump requires the suspension of the use of facts and evidence!

A fact that they will deny for all eternity, methinks......
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Carling on February 22, 2016, 09:02:55 pm
Speaking for myself,  I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back.  They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party.

I didn't mention Trump.  Odd you'd bring him up, though.  Your opinions of his supporters are already established, and established, and established... 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 22, 2016, 09:14:23 pm
I didn't mention Trump.  Odd you'd bring him up, though.  Your opinions of his supporters are already established, and established, and established...

So you're a Cruz guy?   If he's the nominee,  I'll support him.   If Rubio or Kasich is the nominee, will you support him?  If not, why not?   
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Paladin on February 22, 2016, 09:36:31 pm
How Graham gets the attention he does is beyond me.

The MSM has always turned to Liberal Republicans in order to present their views as representing the average party member. I recall watching in amusement as the same tactic was pulled in the 80s at one of the Republican National Conventions when the MSM would ignore Conservative voices and line up practically in a row to interview Connecticut senator Lowell Weicker.

Weicker, like Lady Lindsey, ran to be the Repub nominee for Prez, lost miserably, and later quit the Republican Party to run as an independent.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 22, 2016, 09:40:36 pm
The MSM has always turned to Liberal Republicans in order to present their views as representing the average party member. I recall watching in amusement as the same tactic was pulled in the 80s at one of the Republican National Conventions when the MSM would ignore Conservative voices and line up practically in a row to interview Connecticut senator Lowell Weicker.

Weicker, like Lady Lindsey, ran to be the Repub nominee for Prez, lost miserably, and later quit the Republican Party to run as an independent.

Paladin, I know a number of ladies (like MusicLady), and Lindsey is no lady!

 :smokin:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: PzLdr on February 22, 2016, 09:45:04 pm
Lindsay Graham would float CPT. Smith of TITANIC for Sec/NAV.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 22, 2016, 09:56:52 pm
The MSM has always turned to Liberal Republicans in order to present their views as representing the average party member. I recall watching in amusement as the same tactic was pulled in the 80s at one of the Republican National Conventions when the MSM would ignore Conservative voices and line up practically in a row to interview Connecticut senator Lowell Weicker.

Weicker, like Lady Lindsey, ran to be the Repub nominee for Prez, lost miserably, and later quit the Republican Party to run as an independent.

Lady Lindsey?  The mods here have struck out at posters who even say "Trump Supporters".  I hope they recognize that the other side has been alive and well in condemning anything conservative.  "Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer.  Other than making $billions, what has the protected one done?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: HonestJohn on February 22, 2016, 11:02:02 pm
A Rubio/Kasich ticket gives the home field advantage to Republicans in Florida and Ohio.  Both of these states are critical for any Republican candidate to win in the general election.

Republicans cannot win without carrying at least one of these states, preferably both.  So anything that maximizes Republican chances in them is to be supported.

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And mind you, I said the general election, where ALL registered voters come to vote.  Not just Republican and Republican-leaning voters.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: truth_seeker on February 22, 2016, 11:16:39 pm
Speaking for myself,  I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back.  They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party.
So you favor continued rampant illegal immigration, sanctuary cities harboring convicted violent criminals, further trade and employment losses to offshore factories, terrorists entering under the guise of "refugees," etc.?

You don't score many points putting forth the proposition that there is something wrong or undesirable about Trump's supporters, BTW.


Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 22, 2016, 11:25:21 pm
A Rubio/Kasich ticket gives the home field advantage to Republicans in Florida and Ohio.  Both of these states are critical for any Republican candidate to win in the general election.

Republicans cannot win without carrying at least one of these states, preferably both.  So anything that maximizes Republican chances in them is to be supported.

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And mind you, I said the general election, where ALL registered voters come to vote.  Not just Republican and Republican-leaning voters.

We do need both states for sure.  I have respect for both Rubio and Kasich, but a ticket with both is no more viable IMHO than a Trump/Cruz ticket.  Not only are battleground states important, but so are political ideologies.  To repair the GOP, we need to be able to bring together the right and center wings of the Party as well as independents and moderates from both sides of the aisle.  If trump wins with 35% of the GOP, even the most ardent fans should recognize that a VP choice will be paramount in bringing in the other 65% as well as those in the middle and other side. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2016, 11:47:40 pm
And are allowing their GUT over ride their brains!  For a conservative to support Trump requires the suspension of the use of facts and evidence!

No, it's really the opposite, Bigun.  For a conservative to support Cruz means ignoring what a US Senator only 3 years into the position, with no executive experience, questionable eligibility for the office of POTUS and nothing more concrete to offer than the promise of ideological purity can lead to.

How do you suspend all logic?  I'm curious, Bigun, deeply curious.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 23, 2016, 12:25:05 am
No, it's really the opposite, Bigun.  For a conservative to support Cruz means ignoring what a US Senator only 3 years into the position, with no executive experience, questionable eligibility for the office of POTUS and nothing more concrete to offer than the promise of ideological purity can lead to.

How do you suspend all logic?  I'm curious, Bigun, deeply curious.

What's wrong with standing on principle?  (And  by your criteria,  why aren't you supporting John Kasich?   He's the Reagan conservative who's got over 30 years of experience,  including foreign policy experience,  and wins election after election.   

Trump's a billionaire,  but that's no qualification for the Presidency.   Given his ego,  temperament,  lack of any sort of defining principles,  and cynical exploitation, your "suspension of logic" challenge is properly in the Trumpians' court. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 23, 2016, 12:32:08 am
No, it's really the opposite, Bigun.  For a conservative to support Cruz means ignoring what a US Senator only 3 years into the position, with no executive experience, questionable eligibility for the office of POTUS and nothing more concrete to offer than the promise of ideological purity can lead to.

How do you suspend all logic?  I'm curious, Bigun, deeply curious.

No! I'm afrad not! Ted Cruz is the only politician I  have ever encountered in my life who is doing in office EXACTLY what he promised to do while running for that office! The ONLY one!  What  more do I  need to know to choose him over a pig in a poke like Trump!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 23, 2016, 12:44:16 am
No! I'm afrad not! Ted Cruz is the only politician I  have ever encountered in my life who is doing in office EXACTLY what he promised to do while running for that office! The ONLY one!  What  more do I  need to know to choose him over a pig in a poke like Trump!

Has Cruz met with any success? 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 23, 2016, 12:49:16 am
No! I'm afrad not! Ted Cruz is the only politician I  have ever encountered in my life who is doing in office EXACTLY what he promised to do while running for that office! The ONLY one!  What  more do I  need to know to choose him over a pig in a poke like Trump!

Just a side note here, Bigun.  I know you hate Donald Trump; and you adore Ted Cruz.  It's not necessary to include such divisive and insulting adjectives to define Trump.  I am trying to have a conversation with you, so please, tone down your rhetoric, or you're going to make that conversation impossible.



Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 23, 2016, 12:58:09 am
Just a side note here, Bigun.  I know you hate Donald Trump; and you adore Ted Cruz.  It's not necessary to include such divisive and insulting adjectives to define Trump.  I am trying to have a conversation with you, so please, tone down your rhetoric, or you're going to make that conversation impossible.

LOL! Do you even know what pig in a poke means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke

And no I do not hate Donald Trump! I just hate his politics!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 23, 2016, 12:59:06 am
I will say only one thing:

The same electorate that chose Graham for Senate over seven competitors combined was also responsible for creating the result that has everyone yammering about Trump's supposed inevitability now.

Live by the sword, die by the sword
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Fishrrman on February 23, 2016, 01:30:05 am
Yep, it "floats".
For a while...

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Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 23, 2016, 01:30:29 am
Ted Cruz is owned by Wall Street, big oil and the drug industry making him a tainted and untrustworthy commodity.  Hurts to hear, but Ted Cruz has willingly surrendered his usefulness.   We do not need him in the White House as anything other than an invited guest.

Trump is owned by all the big banks....literally....

(http://media.townhall.com/_townhall/uploads/2016/1/22/0.png)
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Fishrrman on February 23, 2016, 01:36:39 am
Jazzhead:
"Speaking for myself,  I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back.  They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party."

Whig, c.1859:
"Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Lincoln supporters ever come back. They should vote for Lincoln as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Lincolnites wear the banner of the Whig Party."
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Bigun on February 23, 2016, 01:39:43 am
Trump is owned by all the big banks....literally....

(http://media.townhall.com/_townhall/uploads/2016/1/22/0.png)

I don't think you are supposed to point things like that out Frank!  It makes heads explode!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Paladin on February 23, 2016, 02:00:24 am
  "Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer.

Yeah, right, MACVSOG68, he's quite the warrior.

"Upon graduating, Graham was commissioned as an officer and Judge Advocate in the United States Air Force in 1982. He was placed on active duty and in 1984, he was sent to Europe as a military prosecutor and defense attorney, serving at Rhein-Main Air Base in Frankfurt, Germany.[19] In 1984, as he was defending an Air Force pilot accused of using marijuana, he was featured in an episode of 60 Minutes that exposed the Air Force's defective drug-testing procedures.[16][20] After four years in Europe, he returned to South Carolina and then left active duty in 1989.[19] He subsequently entered private practice as a lawyer.[16]"

Amusing how one word used widely to describe Lindsey's, uh, less than masculine persona, provides an anti-Trumpster with yet another opportunity to engage in another gratuitous attack.

"Lady Lindsey?  The mods here have struck out at posters who even say "Trump Supporters".  I hope they recognize that the other side has been alive and well in condemning anything conservative.  "Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer.  Other than making $billions, what has the protected one done?"
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 02:49:01 am
Gratuitous attack???   :silly:  Defending a vet should get me at least a two week time out... :silly: :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: truth_seeker on February 23, 2016, 03:09:45 am
Gratuitous attack???   :silly:  Defending a vet should get me at least a two week time out... :silly: :silly: :silly:

Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.

The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.

I think it makes conservatism look awful.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Paladin on February 23, 2016, 03:14:16 am
The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.

I think it makes conservatism look awful.

Oh, how sad that makes me. (http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/winthroproberts/smilies/c5069e1a-4852-4c79-b068-06f480414c2e_zps83bbd8f6.jpg) (http://s1058.photobucket.com/user/winthroproberts/media/smilies/c5069e1a-4852-4c79-b068-06f480414c2e_zps83bbd8f6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 03:54:49 am

It's not the tax structure that causes businesses to go offshore.  It's the cost of labor. America can never compete for textile jobs or basic assembly jobs, like electronics.  Those jobs will never come back. 

Let's not forget government regulations on environmental issues,sexual discrimination issues,racial quotas,gender bias issues,insurance issues,unemployment issues,SS withholding,etc,etc,etc that none of the foreign manufacturers have ever even heard of,never mind have to pay.How many plants in China have to hire EEO representatives,for example? ALL of this adds to the final cost of the product.

And there are probably several more I haven't even heard of.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 03:58:10 am
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.

The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.

I think it makes conservatism look awful.

Indeed!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 03:58:29 am
But everyone's "GOPe elite" except Trump.  (And that's because he gives HIS money to the Democrat elite.)
LOL!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:05:08 am
I think I understand the nation pretty well in terms of what problems we have as Republicans, Graham said

Free of charge, Lindsey...we've identified where your problem is and why you have to be taken with that grain of salt you mentioned.

I still haven't figured out how Lady Lindsey ever got elected as a Republican the first time,never mind re-elected as one in SC. I have no problem at all seeing him getting elected as a Dim,but as a Republican posing as a conservative????

THIS is why I despise "Party People Voters". They would vote for FDR is he ran as a Republican.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:18:44 am
  I hope they recognize that the other side has been alive and well in condemning anything conservative.  "Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer.  Other than making $billions, what has the protected one done?

Lady Lindsey severed in the AF Reserve as a freaking lawyer,and I have no doubt at all he did that for political bio reasons. IMO,lawyers only serve themselves. Given all the military bases in SC,I'm sure that served him well at election time.

As for Diamond Donald goes,he claimed not long ago that he felt like a veteran because he went to military school. He probably feels like a combat veteran because of all the fighting he had to do to get 3 bogus deferments during the VN war in order to avoid the draft.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Scottftlc on February 23, 2016, 04:19:02 am
Trump is owned by all the big banks....literally....

(http://media.townhall.com/_townhall/uploads/2016/1/22/0.png)

That is an exceedingly poor comparison. Comparing a mortgage investment with a political donation or a loan for a political campaign is gratuitous and inapt. While both are forms of [very different] business activities, only one kind has the expectation of the future delivery of broad political policy benefits, the other must stand entirely on its own as potentially profitable business activity for both parties, and is based entirely on the market value of physical collateral that forms the basis of the mortgage.

I would never say that you were owned by your bank because you put your house up as collateral for a mortgage, any more than I am owned by Wells Fargo because I did so. The physical property is owned by the bank until I satisfy the mortgage, I am not.  A political donation or loan for a campaign is an entirely different form of transaction.  The collateral "put up" and the terms of the loan (if it is a loan) include the the expectation of influence and access in the political realm, which impacts more than only the parties of the transaction.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:27:00 am
Indeed!

If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck.......,and is still in the closet,it is a duck very subject to blackmail.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Paladin on February 23, 2016, 04:31:10 am
"Lady Lindsey severed in the AF Reserve as a freaking lawyer, and I have no doubt at all he did that for political bio reasons.'

That was my thinking also. What a military record to praise. ""Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer."
He did his time in the Judge Advocate's office and in Germany, no less. It's a wonder he didn't break a nail.

Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 23, 2016, 12:21:48 pm
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.

The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.

I think it makes conservatism look awful.

I agree, TS.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 23, 2016, 12:28:33 pm
Jazzhead:
"Speaking for myself,  I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back.  They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party."

Whig, c.1859:
"Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Lincoln supporters ever come back. They should vote for Lincoln as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Lincolnites wear the banner of the Whig Party."

Speaking of which,  Trump makes a mockery of the Party of Lincoln.

As for your analogy of me as a cranky old Whig,  I'll just say that Lincoln stood for the ideals of a new age -  the American dream of liberty and equality of opportunity extended to all its people.   Trump stands for nothing except exploitation.   If the GOP is to embrace Trumpism,  then it doesn't need me.  Why should I join with folks who stand for nothing, and will fall for anything?   
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 01:28:07 pm
If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck.......,and is still in the closet,it is a duck very subject to blackmail.

Apparently not any more.  Rumors don't appear to have hurt him in "liberal" South Carolina.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 02:02:26 pm
I still haven't figured out how Lady Lindsey ever got elected as a Republican the first time,never mind re-elected as one in SC. I have no problem at all seeing him getting elected as a Dim,but as a Republican posing as a conservative????

THIS is why I despise "Party People Voters". They would vote for FDR is he ran as a Republican.

Graham got elected as a national security hawk and was a House Impeachment Manager going after Clinton.  He served 6 1/2 years on AD which combined with Guard and Reserve duty totaled 33 years of service.  During all of his years in both the House and Senate, Graham has stood up for our military and continues to be a national security hawk.  He has shown an ability to reach across the aisle to work on legislation neither side will budge on.  He was part of the Gang of 14 that finally freed up the Democrat filibuster of President Bush's judicial appointments, a complete win-win for conservatives.  He worked on immigration reform legislation in 2006, 2007, and most recently in 2013.  That legislation failed through the efforts of reactionary Republicans, leaving us where we are today on immigration.  He has an 87% lifetime rating by ACU, and received a grade of "A" from NRA, which all of his votes on gun issues would justify. 

I don't agree with Graham on several issues, but he has my respect for both his military service and his conservative service in the House and Senate.  Whatever you want to think about his voting record, The military has no better friend in Washington than Lindsey Graham. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 03:59:47 pm
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.

The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.

I think it makes conservatism look awful.

No,what makes so-called "conservatives" look bad is making excuses for corrupt politicians because they are from the "right" party or because they at one time or another wore a uniform of some sort.

It's called "standards". I personally don't give a damn about Lady Lindsey or anyone else being a homosexual. What I DO care about are "in the closet homosexuals" that are in powerful positions in public offices and who can be blackmailed and controlled because they have that big secret to keep.

And don't try to sell me that crap about  how some lawyer in uniform serving with the JAG office in Germany is some sort of hero. What he WAS,was a highly paid clerk getting his ticket punched for political purposes while never once  having to be anywhere close to a combat zone or direct combat.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:02:36 pm

As for your analogy of me as a cranky old Whig,  I'll just say that Lincoln stood for the ideals of a new age -  the American dream of liberty and equality of opportunity extended to all its people.   

Which Lincoln are you speaking about? I know it couldn't be DIshonest Abe,the scumbucket.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:05:50 pm
Apparently not any more.  Rumors don't appear to have hurt him in "liberal" South Carolina.  :whistle:

Well,once you are on the the payroll of the locals needing political favors,they don't want to remove you and go through the trouble of renting a new politician. They like stability in corruption.

Plus,let's be honest about it,the typical voter of today is so ignorant they shouldn't be allowed to own pets.

Remember "Presidential Hair" being a big factor in a candidates lure to the uncommitted voters not long ago? Or recorded "on the street videos with dingbats saying stuff like "I'm going to vote for him because he is so handsome!"?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 04:12:21 pm
Graham got elected as a national security hawk and was a House Impeachment Manager going after Clinton.  He served 6 1/2 years on AD which combined with Guard and Reserve duty totaled 33 years of service.  During all of his years in both the House and Senate, Graham has stood up for our military and continues to be a national security hawk.  He has shown an ability to reach across the aisle to work on legislation neither side will budge on.  He was part of the Gang of 14 that finally freed up the Democrat filibuster of President Bush's judicial appointments, a complete win-win for conservatives.  He worked on immigration reform legislation in 2006, 2007, and most recently in 2013.  That legislation failed through the efforts of reactionary Republicans, leaving us where we are today on immigration.  He has an 87% lifetime rating by ACU, and received a grade of "A" from NRA, which all of his votes on gun issues would justify. 

I don't agree with Graham on several issues, but he has my respect for both his military service and his conservative service in the House and Senate.  Whatever you want to think about his voting record, The military has no better friend in Washington than Lindsey Graham.

I was not aware of some of the positive things you posted about him above,but some of it doesn't really impress me because I see him as the front guy that pretends he is working hard to do good things,while being in a position to sell us out while playing the "I really tried,but my good friends on the bi-partisan committee were really,really mean to me!" role. His middle name should be "compromise".

As for him being a friend of the military,if he wasn't he would have never gotten elected in SC. LOTS of federal dollars roll into SC due to their military bases. Don't get me wrong,I am not saying he dislikes or opposses the military. I am just saying it serves  him well to support them.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 04:33:15 pm
I was not aware of some of the positive things you posted about him above,but some of it doesn't really impress me because I see him as the front guy that pretends he is working hard to do good things,while being in a position to sell us out while playing the "I really tried,but my good friends on the bi-partisan committee were really,really mean to me!" role. His middle name should be "compromise".

As for him being a friend of the military,if he wasn't he would have never gotten elected in SC. LOTS of federal dollars roll into SC due to their military bases. Don't get me wrong,I am not saying he dislikes or opposses the military. I am just saying it serves  him well to support them.

In other words, anyone we don't support couldn't possibly have any ideological reasons for supporting anything.  All our political opponents are corrupt by definition.  :thud:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 23, 2016, 04:43:13 pm
My God.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 23, 2016, 05:02:15 pm
My God.

????
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 23, 2016, 05:15:07 pm
????

Just my contribution to a repeat of an oft-reiterated stream of comments.  We've got big oil, pharmacies, GOPe, he is, he isn't, beholden to banks, conservative/not, and other non-quantifiable, unitless or tangible commentary.  Instead of looking at the merits or negatives of a Rubio/Kasich ticket, we slide into the usual tripe and belly aching snark.  We draw magnificent conclusions from a donor list viewed in a vacuum.  In my view - and that is all it is - most of these comments are tripe.  They are not difficult to sort through - again, in my view (which counts for squat on a really good day).  I am just so damned weary of it.

How about a Florida/Ohio ticket with Hispanic and policy-wonk appeal?  Not as inane as it might sound.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 23, 2016, 05:21:38 pm
Just my contribution to a repeat of an oft-reiterated stream of comments.  We've got big oil, pharmacies, GOPe, he is, he isn't, beholden to banks, conservative/not, and other non-quantifiable, unitless or tangible commentary.  Instead of looking at the merits or negatives of a Rubio/Kasich ticket, we slide into the usual tripe and belly aching snark.  We draw magnificent conclusions from a donor list viewed in a vacuum.  In my view - and that is all it is - most of these comments are tripe.  They are not difficult to sort through - again, in my view (which counts for squat on a really good day).  I am just so damned weary of it.

How about a Florida/Ohio ticket with Hispanic and policy-wonk appeal?  Not as inane as it might sound.

If Kasich had more mojo, then it'd make more sense. But he doesn't. He's playing the spoiler due to the fact that this is a 3-man race, and he's using his support as leverage. It's self-serving and opportunistic, and if he keeps playing it then he's going to get nothing if he knocks out Rubio, who's his only shot at VP.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 23, 2016, 05:36:11 pm

How about a Florida/Ohio ticket with Hispanic and policy-wonk appeal?  Not as inane as it might sound.

Of course.  But sanity's not at work in this election. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2016, 05:36:20 pm
If Kasich had more mojo, then it'd make more sense. But he doesn't. He's playing the spoiler due to the fact that this is a 3-man race, and he's using his support as leverage. It's self-serving and opportunistic, and if he keeps playing it then he's going to get nothing if he knocks out Rubio, who's his only shot at VP.

I don't believe Kasich is either self-serving or opportunistic.  I think he believes he is the most qualified to be President (and there are reasonable arguments to defend that position).

Obviously I have some issues with Kasich, but relative to Trump, he's a knight in shining armor.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Jazzhead on February 23, 2016, 05:37:45 pm
I don't believe Kasich is either self-serving or opportunistic.  I think he believes he is the most qualified to be President (and there are reasonable arguments to defend that position).

Obviously I have some issues with Kasich, but relative to Trump, he's a knight in shining armor.


:amen:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 05:40:11 pm
In other words, anyone we don't support couldn't possibly have any ideological reasons for supporting anything.  All our political opponents are corrupt by definition.  :thud:

No,I am saying there are reasons why some politicians always seem to cave/never win on big issues,and those reasons are most likely related to something embarrassing,illegal,or both being held over his or her head. In Graham's case I'm betting it is related to him being a homosexual.

I seriously doubt that Newt Gingrich is a homosexual,but you will never convince me the Dims didn't find some dirt on him or a close family member that made him switch overnight from a very conservative Republican with enormous political power,into someone that couldn't or wouldn't even be able to stay in Congress. He was one of the most powerful men in this country one day,and for all practical purposes he couldn't even BUY tv time,never mind appear on any of the talk shows. Rather than fight back,he let them remove him from office for something so minor it was laughable,and remained out of sight for years. When he does start to make a return to public life,it's like his whole political philosophy has changed. When all of that happens it is never a coincidence. There are reasons behind it.

In American politics there has been no more personal secrets dangerous to a politician than sexual issues. Most politicians from the North could get away with extra-marital affairs being made public,but not in the prudish south. No politician anywhere could hope to hold office if it were revealed he was a homosexual or child molester. Or if it was even hinted at in the media,never mind proven. Barney Franks is the obvious exception,but he was from a very liberal area in the northeast.

I would personally have no trouble at all voting for a candidate with conservative beliefs when it come to running or managing government,but was a "out" homosexual because there would be no chance at all of him being blackmailed to influence his votes. I damn sure don't want one that is in the closet and vulnerable,though.

As for issues like child molesting,there is no forgiving,period. Out of office and off to prison.

Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 23, 2016, 05:41:29 pm
I don't believe Kasich is either self-serving or opportunistic.  I think he believes he is the most qualified to be President (and there are reasonable arguments to defend that position).

Obviously I have some issues with Kasich, but relative to Trump, he's a knight in shining armor.

The problem is though that he's going to hand it to Trump if he doesn't let the Establishment wing of the party coalesce around Rubio. If Kasich can't win Ohio he's just undercutting Rubio, because if Kasich gets second place he may well knock Rubio out if Cruz gets third.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2016, 05:43:52 pm
The problem is though that he's going to hand it to Trump if he doesn't let the Establishment win of the party coalesce around Rubio. If Kasich can't win Ohio he's just undercutting Rubio because if Kasich gets second place he may well knock Rubio out if Cruz gets third.

I'd like to see Kasich beat Trump here in Ohio.  I don't know what the recent numbers are, but he won with 70% of the vote in his last election, and he has done well for Ohio.

If Kasich does win Ohio, it will force a brokered convention, will it not?  Trump won't have enough votes to win on the first ballot at the convention, and then maybe we'll get a non-Democrat to be our nominee.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 23, 2016, 05:46:32 pm
I'd like to see Kasich beat Trump here in Ohio.  I don't know what the recent numbers are, but he won with 70% of the vote in his last election, and he has done well for Ohio.

If Kasich does win Ohio, it will force a brokered convention, will it not?  Trump won't have enough votes to win on the first ballot at the convention, and then maybe we'll get a non-Democrat to be our nominee.

It will indeed. Ohio is WTA with 66 delegates. It will put Trump in a big squeeze then. IF he can win Ohio, then he's useful to the goal of stopping Trump, if not he could well knock Rubio out and yet I don't think he has the mojo to come out on top either.

It is a very risky gamble he's taking. Oh the intrigue.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2016, 06:00:25 pm
It will indeed. Ohio is WTA with 66 delegates. It will put Trump in a big squeeze then. IF he can win Ohio, then he's useful to the goal of stopping Trump, if not he could well knock Rubio out and yet I don't think he has the mojo to come out on top either.

It is a very risky gamble he's taking. Oh the intrigue.

Intrigue, for sure!

I'll tell you this, though.  If a vote for Kasich (not my first or second choice) could put Trump in a big squeeze, I will gladly do it, and then my vote will actually mean something.  (It never has before.  By the time I've voted in the primary in the past, the decision has already been made).

I think maybe Kasich's mojo is increasing, but we shall see!
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 06:07:27 pm
No,I am saying there are reasons why some politicians always seem to cave/never win on big issues,and those reasons are most likely related to something embarrassing,illegal,or both being held over his or her head. In Graham's case I'm betting it is related to him being a homosexual.

Well I've given you a little bit of his history for the past 40 years.  If he's being blackmailed then it's more likely to be the military, the 2d Amendment Americans, and Republicans who truly want border security than it is the Democrats.  Those groups are where his support comes from and who he has supported over the years.  Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Mod1 on February 23, 2016, 07:03:11 pm
With regard to the senator's "sexual orientation," please refrain from making definitive statements and allegations without proof. If there's proof, of course, feel free to offer it.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: ArneFufkin on February 23, 2016, 10:30:11 pm
Gratuitous attack???   :silly:  Defending a vet should get me at least a two week time out... :silly: :silly: :silly:

I didn't look this up but I think Graham is a bird Colonel in USAF reserve. 

I love watching him operate in the Senate Armed Services committees.   He's a pretty fair lawyer and without a doubt a patriot who asks the right questions of Obama's SecDefs and Generals.

The animus toward him is misdirected in my view.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 10:43:43 pm
I'd like to see Kasich beat Trump here in Ohio.  I don't know what the recent numbers are, but he won with 70% of the vote in his last election, and he has done well for Ohio.

If Kasich does win Ohio, it will force a brokered convention, will it not?  Trump won't have enough votes to win on the first ballot at the convention, and then maybe we'll get a non-Democrat to be our nominee.

Trump is going to have more trouble maintaining such huge leads as the race narrows,and voters that supported other politicians that dropped out start to switch their loyalities.

I honestly don't see many Trump supporters switching their loyalty at this late date,though.  They are just too fired up. Many of them might not even vote if he isn't in the general election. I get  a sense that a solid core of his supporters are even interested in voting this time because he is running and telling them what they want to hear.

I have no idea what is going to happen in the Dim general election. IMO the DNC leadership do not trust Bubbette! any more than we do,but if they want the black vote and the whymen? vote they need to at least pretend they support her

On the other hand the radical lesbian vote is dying out even if they are still making a lot of noise,and Bernie is really pulling in a lot of college age know-noting voters,and they are the future of the Dim Party as the radical left dies out.

The Dim Party may be in trouble if Bubbette! gets the and Sanders isn't picked or refuses the VP seat because the Socialist are just now discovering they have some clout and they will get serious early behind a candidate next cycle.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 23, 2016, 10:46:56 pm
I didn't look this up but I think Graham is a bird Colonel in USAF reserve. 

I love watching him operate in the Senate Armed Services committees.   He's a pretty fair lawyer and without a doubt a patriot who asks the right questions of Obama's SecDefs and Generals.

The animus toward him is misdirected in my view.

The animus is because of the many, many things he has done during his long stay in the Senate.  We can appreciate his service, and still recognize that his faults outweigh his positives.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 10:52:27 pm
With regard to the senator's "sexual orientation," please refrain from making definitive statements and allegations without proof. If there's proof, of course, feel free to offer it.

Why? This isn't a court of law,it is a political discussion board,and anything that might tend to make a politician susceptible to blackmail should be open to discussion,and it's not like I am the only one that thinks he is homosexual. He even denied it in public a few months ago,and he and I haven't been talking.

Would you keep us from talking about Bubba Bill and his little "intern problem" as well as sexual assault charges because we have no court conviction or guilty plea to prove it?

The is the future of America we are talking about,and we need to know what motivates our professional political class that makes them do some of the things they do that defy logic.

Why should any of them be exempt from speculation if there seems to be even the mildest suspicion they are being blackmailed or bribed to throw votes?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 10:55:05 pm
I didn't look this up but I think Graham is a bird Colonel in USAF reserve. 

I love watching him operate in the Senate Armed Services committees.   He's a pretty fair lawyer and without a doubt a patriot who asks the right questions of Obama's SecDefs and Generals.

The animus toward him is misdirected in my view.

He is a Dim in Republican clothing when it comes to border and immigration issues. Since those issues are currently MUCH more dangerous to the future of America than all the missiles and soldiers that China and Russia have,I'd say it is a pretty big issue.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 10:56:01 pm
The animus is because of the many, many things he has done during his long stay in the Senate.  We can appreciate his service, and still recognize that his faults outweigh his positives.

AMEN! :amen:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: ArneFufkin on February 23, 2016, 11:09:42 pm
He is a Dim in Republican clothing when it comes to border and immigration issues. Since those issues are currently MUCH more dangerous to the future of America than all the missiles and soldiers that China and Russia have,I'd say it is a pretty big issue.

I have no way of knowing any more what to make of this world view.

It was a huge Border Wedgie "win" back in the day when W's proposal regarding illegal immigration and border security was vilified and defeated to the delight of the media howler monkeys like Ingraham, Levin, Malkin, Coulter and Savage.   

What's better now?  How are things going?  How we doin'?  Is everyone happy?

If this is winning -  I'd rather lose.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 11:16:36 pm
I have no way of knowing any more what to make of this world view.

It was a huge Border Wedgie "win" back in the day when W's proposal regarding illegal immigration and border security was vilified and defeated to the delight of the media howler monkeys like Ingraham, Levin, Malkin, Coulter and Savage.   

What's better now?  How are things going?  How we doin'?  Is everyone happy?

If this is winning -  I'd rather lose.

IMO,nothing is going better now,we have damn near lost it all,and people are telling up to ignore it.

The Dims want to move more 3rd worlders into America so they can own their votes,and the alleged Republicans want to move more 3 worlders into America for the cheap labor and higher dividends.

The professional criminal class we call politicians and their owners are as happy as clams,but you can count me amongst the unhappy campers.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 23, 2016, 11:17:57 pm
He is a Dim in Republican clothing when it comes to border and immigration issues. Since those issues are currently MUCH more dangerous to the future of America than all the missiles and soldiers that China and Russia have,I'd say it is a pretty big issue.

So what exactly is Graham's position on the border and immigration issues that has you so concerned?  He seems to have the same goals as most Americans.  Or is over half the Country afraid of being outed?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: ArneFufkin on February 23, 2016, 11:20:34 pm
IMO,nothing is going better now,we have damn near lost it all,and people are telling up to ignore it.

You can count me amongst the unhappy campers.

I'm with you Pete but Graham is not the villain.

He's sanctimonious and smug and annoying but his ideology and votes are generally spot on. 

I care more about national security and Constitutional fidelity than social issues these days and Graham has usually been on the right side of those issues throughout his career.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 11:22:53 pm
So what exactly is Graham's position on the border and immigration issues that has you so concerned?  He seems to have the same goals as most Americans.  Or is over half the Country afraid of being outed?

Graham sides with the Dims.

What else do you really need to know?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: aligncare on February 23, 2016, 11:27:44 pm

Rubio/Kasich?

Today's RCP polls: Trump is beating Rubio in Florida and +5 over Kasich in Ohio.

That doesn't look like a winning ticket to me.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 23, 2016, 11:28:26 pm
I'm with you Pete but Graham is not the villain.

He's sanctimonious and smug and annoying but his ideology and votes are generally spot on. 

I care more about national security and Constitutional fidelity than social issues these days and Graham has usually been on the right side of those issues throughout his career.

No,Graham is not "The" villian. That seat currently belongs to Obomber.  BUT......,he goes along with the villian and his henchmen,but 10 percent less to prove he is his own man. He does just enough to keep getting re-elected without actually doing anything to reverse the trend.

IMO,this means he need to be replaced,not praised.

NOTHING in current politics represents a greater danger to national security and the continued existence of the Constitution than closing the borders and ejecting non-citizen foreigners while eliminating crap like Motor Voter. If we don't do that,we won't have a nation to secure and won't need a Constitution.

Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: aligncare on February 23, 2016, 11:28:45 pm

Rubio/Kasich?

Today's RCP polls: Trump is beating Rubio in Florida and +5 over Kasich in Ohio.

That doesn't look like a winning ticket to me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: ArneFufkin on February 23, 2016, 11:45:19 pm
No,Graham is not "The" villian. That seat currently belongs to Obomber.  BUT......,he goes along with the villian and his henchmen,but 10 percent less to prove he is his own man. He does just enough to keep getting re-elected without actually doing anything to reverse the trend.

IMO,this means he need to be replaced,not praised.

NOTHING in current politics represents a greater danger to national security and the continued existence of the Constitution than closing the borders and ejecting non-citizen foreigners while eliminating crap like Motor Voter. If we don't do that,we won't have a nation to secure and won't need a Constitution.

I'm not praising him but I would wager that he has a better conservative voting record than Ernest Hollings.

It's a vexing truth, but if you don't have Senators like Susan Collins from Maine as part of the GOP conference - you don't get a more conservative representative

You get a liberal Democrat.   I would much prefer seeing Trey Gowdy in the Senate but it's hard to unseat a long-serving Senator.  You need to get them after their first term or you probably don't get them at all.

And, I agree completely that the border policy under the Obama regime has been a disgrace.   We really have no idea who is living amongst us and what their agenda is.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 24, 2016, 12:09:23 am

And, I agree completely that the border policy under the Obama regime has been a disgrace.   We really have no idea who is living amongst us and what their agenda is.

I don't even think there is even a way to find out anymore. So many illegals have found a way to get on Uncle Sugar's Gravy Train so they could vote Dim that the line between legal and illegal is now blurred. Especially in areas where the local scum-sucking treasonous politicians have passed laws making it illegal to even ask them for proof of citizenship or a visa.

IMO,we have to kill this "snake" by cutting it's head off by focusing more on the local,state,and feral politicians that make it easy for illegals to get on the rolls,and who favor amnesty and instant voting. They are the ones giving judicial cover to the illegals and preventing us from deporting them.

We also need to stop the insane "dual citizenship" and "Anchor Baby" crap. I'll all for pulling the citizenship of all anchor babies and sending them back to where their parents came from,but I know this isn't practical due to all the kneejerk wails of outrage. We do need to set a date to have the program end,though. If we don't, we are pretty much inviting them to invade our country and drop a kid so they can stay and get on the gravy train. Remember,these people are NOT Americans in ANY cultural sense,and they don't give a damn about America. They are here for the easy living,and for the most part want America to be just like their home countries,but not as hungry or homeless.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 24, 2016, 12:31:08 am
Rubio/Kasich?

Today's RCP polls: Trump is beating Rubio in Florida and +5 over Kasich in Ohio.

That doesn't look like a winning ticket to me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Perhaps so ac but who fares better versus Hillary or Sanders in those same polls?  The ticket has strength.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: aligncare on February 24, 2016, 12:35:41 am
Perhaps so ac but who fares better versus Hillary or Sanders in those same polls?  The ticket has strength.

Maybe. I believe they won't get the opportunity to flex their muscle.

But, since I can't predict the future (especially in this crazy primary), I could be as wrong as anybody else.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 01:37:24 am
Graham sides with the Dims.

What else do you really need to know?

What I asked you.  What is Graham's position on borders and the immigration issue?  You seem to have reached some strong conclusions about it, so I'm sure you could give some details on it.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 24, 2016, 01:51:35 am
What I asked you.  What is Graham's position on borders and the immigration issue?  You seem to have reached some strong conclusions about it, so I'm sure you could give some details on it.

Which one of Graham's positions were you wanting?  There have been several.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 01:54:00 am
No,Graham is not "The" villian. That seat currently belongs to Obomber.  BUT......,he goes along with the villian and his henchmen,but 10 percent less to prove he is his own man. He does just enough to keep getting re-elected without actually doing anything to reverse the trend.

IMO,this means he need to be replaced,not praised.

NOTHING in current politics represents a greater danger to national security and the continued existence of the Constitution than closing the borders and ejecting non-citizen foreigners while eliminating crap like Motor Voter. If we don't do that,we won't have a nation to secure and won't need a Constitution.

Don't tell Obama about Graham's "A" grade with the NRA, or about his ten year efforts to better secure the borders, or his efforts to keep a strong military.   And here he keeps getting elected time after time in one of the more conservative states.  So we South Carolinians need to make sure we don't praise him.  Okay, got it!
 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 01:55:36 am
Which one of Graham's positions were you wanting?  There have been several.

The ones Pete was telling me about concerning borders and immigration. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: Sanguine on February 24, 2016, 01:58:02 am
The ones Pete was telling me about concerning borders and immigration.

I'll let Pete answer that, but wasn't Graham one of the Gang of Eight? 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 02:08:43 am
I'll let Pete answer that, but wasn't Graham one of the Gang of Eight?

Yes he was.  He was also part of the McCain-Kennedy efforts in 2005 and 2006 which ultimately resulted in two bills in 2007, both filibustered and tabled.   
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 24, 2016, 02:15:55 am
What I asked you.  What is Graham's position on borders and the immigration issue?  You seem to have reached some strong conclusions about it, so I'm sure you could give some details on it.

I could if I cared enough to look it up. I'm content to know that I ready he was one of the crowd with no real interest in shutting down the borders,ending the anchor baby program,or any other effective program.

Nothing personal,but I don't look up URL's for other people. My position is that if it interests someone else enough they will look it up themselves.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 24, 2016, 02:19:23 am
Don't tell Obama about Graham's "A" grade with the NRA, or about his ten year efforts to better secure the borders, or his efforts to keep a strong military.   And here he keeps getting elected time after time in one of the more conservative states.  So we South Carolinians need to make sure we don't praise him.  Okay, got it!

I don't care about Graham's "A rating with the NRA".

I don't care about his self-serving support of the US military,which he has to have in order to get re-elected.

What I DO care about is shutting down the borders to the 3rd world and to refugees from the Muddle East while we still have a country to save. If we don't do that,nothing else is relevant.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: R4 TrumPence on February 24, 2016, 02:33:56 am
Yes he was.  He was also part of the McCain-Kennedy efforts in 2005 and 2006 which ultimately resulted in two bills in 2007, both filibustered and tabled.   

You know i laughed abt Lindsey running for president. I happened to be home one weekend in Sept I think.
We were at happy hour and talking politics. For those who don't know, it is wonderful to me being in SC talking politics!!!! 99% of the people are conservative or republicans.

Anyway, a lot of the locals (those of us that live at the beach years round) were talking abt  Lindsey, and I was shocked to hear all the good things being said about him.
So I have softened my opinion of him, given that the whole world in DC is of convoluted thievery and thuggary.

He can get things done, and he can piss us off. But in both cases we are not sure why or how, so he is a traitor! :shrug:

 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: libertybele on February 24, 2016, 02:45:05 am
Perhaps so ac but who fares better versus Hillary or Sanders in those same polls?  The ticket has strength.

Marco won't be able to take FL in the primary and Trump is beating Kasich in the polls in OH.  Don't see Rubio beating Trump and Kasich certainly won't beat him either.

Not a Trump or Kasich fan, but that ticket I think would fare better against Hillary or Sanders than Rubio. 
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 02:33:02 pm
I could if I cared enough to look it up. I'm content to know that I ready he was one of the crowd with no real interest in shutting down the borders,ending the anchor baby program,or any other effective program.

Nothing personal,but I don't look up URL's for other people. My position is that if it interests someone else enough they will look it up themselves.

Sorta what I thought.  :facepalm2:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 24, 2016, 02:42:12 pm
You know i laughed abt Lindsey running for president. I happened to be home one weekend in Sept I think.
We were at happy hour and talking politics. For those who don't know, it is wonderful to me being in SC talking politics!!!! 99% of the people are conservative or republicans.

Anyway, a lot of the locals (those of us that live at the beach years round) were talking abt  Lindsey, and I was shocked to hear all the good things being said about him.
So I have softened my opinion of him, given that the whole world in DC is of convoluted thievery and thuggary.

He can get things done, and he can piss us off. But in both cases we are not sure why or how, so he is a traitor! :shrug:

When Graham announced I knew what he was going to have to go through.  I still believe his only purpose was to get foreign policy off the back burner, and in the debates he did well in that area.  I think he knew he didn't stand a prayer.  I've written him a couple of letters that he wouldn't put up above his fireplace, but in the end I know we need a few who will sit down across from the opposition and see how to erase a divide to get a bill passed.  We all complain because we don't see Congress getting anything done, and then condemn anyone who actually tries.   :beer:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 25, 2016, 01:38:44 am
Sorta what I thought.  :facepalm2:

Think whatever you like. I just don't have the time.
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 25, 2016, 01:49:29 am
Think whatever you like. I just don't have the time.

Oh, yet you said you just didn't care enough to.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: sneakypete on February 25, 2016, 05:44:18 am
Oh, yet you said you just didn't care enough to.   :whistle:

I have neither the time nor the concern.

Happy now?
Title: Re: Graham floats Rubio-Kasich ticket
Post by: MACVSOG68 on February 25, 2016, 01:39:40 pm
I have neither the time nor the concern.

Happy now?
 

Always happy...and enjoy a good back and forth...   :silly: