I didn't make it, Jeb didn't make it, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
The establishment is SCARED to death!
And very soon, when the sitting chairman of the W&M committee bites the dust here, they will be even more SCARED!
BUT you support the establishment, why are you waiting for a establishment person to bite the dust? :thud:
Where in the HELL did you ever get that Idea! I voted for TED CRUZ!!!
CRUZ is the establishment. He has DONORS that are killing his campaign. He voted for TPP, very lite on immigration and wants amnesty. TPP is a way to get amnesty without saying you are for it. **nononono*
Cruz has actually PROVEN that he will stand up against the establishment while your guy has done anything but! In fact, your guy has proven to me that he is as LIBERAL as they come! No way he get's the nomination! NONE!
CRUZ is the establishment. He has DONORS that are killing his campaign. He voted for TPP, very lite on immigration and wants amnesty. TPP is a way to get amnesty without saying you are for it. **nononono*
How Graham gets the attention he does is beyond me.
Ted Cruz is owned by Wall Street, big oil and the drug industry making him a tainted and untrustworthy commodity. Hurts to hear, but Ted Cruz has willingly surrendered his usefulness. We do not need him in the White House as anything other than an invited guest.
Cruz has actually PROVEN that he will stand up against the establishment
All the Trumpsters do is lie without shame.
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion? Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election. Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose.No way Kasich/Rubio ticket gets the base out to vote. Kasich is as GOPe elite as they come. So is Rubio. Nothing you can tell me will get me to ever think otherwise, so don't try. :laugh:
It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate. I've no desire to tilt at windmills.
No way Kasich/Rubio ticket gets the base out to vote. Kasich is as GOPe elite as they come. So is Rubio. Nothing you can tell me will get me to ever think otherwise, so don't try. :laugh:
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion? Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election. Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose.
It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate. I've no desire to tilt at windmills.
Yup he has. But when he took these noble steps he was answering to the Tea Party.
Today--and through his political tomorrow--Ted Cruz answers to Wall Street, oil companies and the drug companies. Cruz will now stand up against those he is ordered to stand up against - - - and that will most likely be us.
It seems Superman has gone and spit into the wind. :smokin:
"I didn't make it, Jeb didn't make it, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Yep, he's got a reputation of giving in and going along with what he's told to do....
Wait, don't you guys also say that he doesn't get along with anyone and has no friend?
Yep, he's got a reputation of giving in and going along with what he's told to do...
But everyone's "GOPe elite"
Trump can't "get rid of" Common Core. That's a state program that the feds have no jurisdiction over.
It's not the tax structure that causes businesses to go offshore. It's the cost of labor. America can never compete for textile jobs or basic assembly jobs, like electronics. Those jobs will never come back.
Trump wants to tax the $5 trillion and corporations have already been taxed on that money. They want to bring it back tax free. So there's your stalemate.
If these issues were easy to resolve, they'd be resolved already. Trump has duped you into thinking he can magically fix all this with his "negotiating skills", but you can't negotiate when the other guy holds all the cards.
The folks who have turned on Cruz simply because of their loyalty to Trump have become very confused.............
Yes, and that is what is behind all of the ugliness.
Because he's just made a very smart suggestion? Kasich/Rubio (or Rubio/Kasich) can win the general election. Cruz or Trump will almost certainly lose.
It has been received wisdom (until this year) that it's best to nominate the most conservative ELECTIBLE candidate. I've no desire to tilt at windmills.
The folks who have turned on Cruz simply because of their loyalty to Trump have become very confused.............
When are the GOPe supporters and politicians going to come to the reality many of us have moved on from the lies and the ineptitude, and we're not coming back?
And are allowing their GUT over ride their brains! For a conservative to support Trump requires the suspension of the use of facts and evidence!
Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back. They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party.
I didn't mention Trump. Odd you'd bring him up, though. Your opinions of his supporters are already established, and established, and established...
How Graham gets the attention he does is beyond me.
The MSM has always turned to Liberal Republicans in order to present their views as representing the average party member. I recall watching in amusement as the same tactic was pulled in the 80s at one of the Republican National Conventions when the MSM would ignore Conservative voices and line up practically in a row to interview Connecticut senator Lowell Weicker.
Weicker, like Lady Lindsey, ran to be the Repub nominee for Prez, lost miserably, and later quit the Republican Party to run as an independent.
The MSM has always turned to Liberal Republicans in order to present their views as representing the average party member. I recall watching in amusement as the same tactic was pulled in the 80s at one of the Republican National Conventions when the MSM would ignore Conservative voices and line up practically in a row to interview Connecticut senator Lowell Weicker.
Weicker, like Lady Lindsey, ran to be the Repub nominee for Prez, lost miserably, and later quit the Republican Party to run as an independent.
Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back. They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party.So you favor continued rampant illegal immigration, sanctuary cities harboring convicted violent criminals, further trade and employment losses to offshore factories, terrorists entering under the guise of "refugees," etc.?
A Rubio/Kasich ticket gives the home field advantage to Republicans in Florida and Ohio. Both of these states are critical for any Republican candidate to win in the general election.
Republicans cannot win without carrying at least one of these states, preferably both. So anything that maximizes Republican chances in them is to be supported.
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And mind you, I said the general election, where ALL registered voters come to vote. Not just Republican and Republican-leaning voters.
And are allowing their GUT over ride their brains! For a conservative to support Trump requires the suspension of the use of facts and evidence!
No, it's really the opposite, Bigun. For a conservative to support Cruz means ignoring what a US Senator only 3 years into the position, with no executive experience, questionable eligibility for the office of POTUS and nothing more concrete to offer than the promise of ideological purity can lead to.
How do you suspend all logic? I'm curious, Bigun, deeply curious.
No, it's really the opposite, Bigun. For a conservative to support Cruz means ignoring what a US Senator only 3 years into the position, with no executive experience, questionable eligibility for the office of POTUS and nothing more concrete to offer than the promise of ideological purity can lead to.
How do you suspend all logic? I'm curious, Bigun, deeply curious.
No! I'm afrad not! Ted Cruz is the only politician I have ever encountered in my life who is doing in office EXACTLY what he promised to do while running for that office! The ONLY one! What more do I need to know to choose him over a pig in a poke like Trump!
No! I'm afrad not! Ted Cruz is the only politician I have ever encountered in my life who is doing in office EXACTLY what he promised to do while running for that office! The ONLY one! What more do I need to know to choose him over a pig in a poke like Trump!
Just a side note here, Bigun. I know you hate Donald Trump; and you adore Ted Cruz. It's not necessary to include such divisive and insulting adjectives to define Trump. I am trying to have a conversation with you, so please, tone down your rhetoric, or you're going to make that conversation impossible.
Ted Cruz is owned by Wall Street, big oil and the drug industry making him a tainted and untrustworthy commodity. Hurts to hear, but Ted Cruz has willingly surrendered his usefulness. We do not need him in the White House as anything other than an invited guest.
Trump is owned by all the big banks....literally....
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"Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer.
Gratuitous attack??? :silly: Defending a vet should get me at least a two week time out... :silly: :silly: :silly:
The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.
I think it makes conservatism look awful.
It's not the tax structure that causes businesses to go offshore. It's the cost of labor. America can never compete for textile jobs or basic assembly jobs, like electronics. Those jobs will never come back.
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.
The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.
I think it makes conservatism look awful.
But everyone's "GOPe elite" except Trump. (And that's because he gives HIS money to the Democrat elite.)LOL!
I think I understand the nation pretty well in terms of what problems we have as Republicans, Graham said
Free of charge, Lindsey...we've identified where your problem is and why you have to be taken with that grain of salt you mentioned.
I hope they recognize that the other side has been alive and well in condemning anything conservative. "Lady Lindsey" has served his Country for many years as a military officer. Other than making $billions, what has the protected one done?
Trump is owned by all the big banks....literally....
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Indeed!
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.
The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.
I think it makes conservatism look awful.
Jazzhead:
"Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Trump supporters ever come back. They should vote for Trump as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Trumpism wear the banner of the Republican Party."
Whig, c.1859:
"Speaking for myself, I don't care if the Lincoln supporters ever come back. They should vote for Lincoln as an independent candidate; my goal is that under no circumstances should Lincolnites wear the banner of the Whig Party."
If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck.......,and is still in the closet,it is a duck very subject to blackmail.
I still haven't figured out how Lady Lindsey ever got elected as a Republican the first time,never mind re-elected as one in SC. I have no problem at all seeing him getting elected as a Dim,but as a Republican posing as a conservative????
THIS is why I despise "Party People Voters". They would vote for FDR is he ran as a Republican.
Mark me down as one veteran that is completely disgusted by anybody, Trump included, who is disrespectful regarding an anybody's military service.
The "Lady Lindsey" crap is typical of the FR types that get entertainment from such juvenile things.
I think it makes conservatism look awful.
As for your analogy of me as a cranky old Whig, I'll just say that Lincoln stood for the ideals of a new age - the American dream of liberty and equality of opportunity extended to all its people.
Apparently not any more. Rumors don't appear to have hurt him in "liberal" South Carolina. :whistle:
Graham got elected as a national security hawk and was a House Impeachment Manager going after Clinton. He served 6 1/2 years on AD which combined with Guard and Reserve duty totaled 33 years of service. During all of his years in both the House and Senate, Graham has stood up for our military and continues to be a national security hawk. He has shown an ability to reach across the aisle to work on legislation neither side will budge on. He was part of the Gang of 14 that finally freed up the Democrat filibuster of President Bush's judicial appointments, a complete win-win for conservatives. He worked on immigration reform legislation in 2006, 2007, and most recently in 2013. That legislation failed through the efforts of reactionary Republicans, leaving us where we are today on immigration. He has an 87% lifetime rating by ACU, and received a grade of "A" from NRA, which all of his votes on gun issues would justify.
I don't agree with Graham on several issues, but he has my respect for both his military service and his conservative service in the House and Senate. Whatever you want to think about his voting record, The military has no better friend in Washington than Lindsey Graham.
I was not aware of some of the positive things you posted about him above,but some of it doesn't really impress me because I see him as the front guy that pretends he is working hard to do good things,while being in a position to sell us out while playing the "I really tried,but my good friends on the bi-partisan committee were really,really mean to me!" role. His middle name should be "compromise".
As for him being a friend of the military,if he wasn't he would have never gotten elected in SC. LOTS of federal dollars roll into SC due to their military bases. Don't get me wrong,I am not saying he dislikes or opposses the military. I am just saying it serves him well to support them.
My God.
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Just my contribution to a repeat of an oft-reiterated stream of comments. We've got big oil, pharmacies, GOPe, he is, he isn't, beholden to banks, conservative/not, and other non-quantifiable, unitless or tangible commentary. Instead of looking at the merits or negatives of a Rubio/Kasich ticket, we slide into the usual tripe and belly aching snark. We draw magnificent conclusions from a donor list viewed in a vacuum. In my view - and that is all it is - most of these comments are tripe. They are not difficult to sort through - again, in my view (which counts for squat on a really good day). I am just so damned weary of it.
How about a Florida/Ohio ticket with Hispanic and policy-wonk appeal? Not as inane as it might sound.
How about a Florida/Ohio ticket with Hispanic and policy-wonk appeal? Not as inane as it might sound.
If Kasich had more mojo, then it'd make more sense. But he doesn't. He's playing the spoiler due to the fact that this is a 3-man race, and he's using his support as leverage. It's self-serving and opportunistic, and if he keeps playing it then he's going to get nothing if he knocks out Rubio, who's his only shot at VP.
I don't believe Kasich is either self-serving or opportunistic. I think he believes he is the most qualified to be President (and there are reasonable arguments to defend that position).
Obviously I have some issues with Kasich, but relative to Trump, he's a knight in shining armor.
In other words, anyone we don't support couldn't possibly have any ideological reasons for supporting anything. All our political opponents are corrupt by definition. :thud:
I don't believe Kasich is either self-serving or opportunistic. I think he believes he is the most qualified to be President (and there are reasonable arguments to defend that position).
Obviously I have some issues with Kasich, but relative to Trump, he's a knight in shining armor.
The problem is though that he's going to hand it to Trump if he doesn't let the Establishment win of the party coalesce around Rubio. If Kasich can't win Ohio he's just undercutting Rubio because if Kasich gets second place he may well knock Rubio out if Cruz gets third.
I'd like to see Kasich beat Trump here in Ohio. I don't know what the recent numbers are, but he won with 70% of the vote in his last election, and he has done well for Ohio.
If Kasich does win Ohio, it will force a brokered convention, will it not? Trump won't have enough votes to win on the first ballot at the convention, and then maybe we'll get a non-Democrat to be our nominee.
It will indeed. Ohio is WTA with 66 delegates. It will put Trump in a big squeeze then. IF he can win Ohio, then he's useful to the goal of stopping Trump, if not he could well knock Rubio out and yet I don't think he has the mojo to come out on top either.
It is a very risky gamble he's taking. Oh the intrigue.
No,I am saying there are reasons why some politicians always seem to cave/never win on big issues,and those reasons are most likely related to something embarrassing,illegal,or both being held over his or her head. In Graham's case I'm betting it is related to him being a homosexual.
Gratuitous attack??? :silly: Defending a vet should get me at least a two week time out... :silly: :silly: :silly:
I'd like to see Kasich beat Trump here in Ohio. I don't know what the recent numbers are, but he won with 70% of the vote in his last election, and he has done well for Ohio.
If Kasich does win Ohio, it will force a brokered convention, will it not? Trump won't have enough votes to win on the first ballot at the convention, and then maybe we'll get a non-Democrat to be our nominee.
I didn't look this up but I think Graham is a bird Colonel in USAF reserve.
I love watching him operate in the Senate Armed Services committees. He's a pretty fair lawyer and without a doubt a patriot who asks the right questions of Obama's SecDefs and Generals.
The animus toward him is misdirected in my view.
With regard to the senator's "sexual orientation," please refrain from making definitive statements and allegations without proof. If there's proof, of course, feel free to offer it.
I didn't look this up but I think Graham is a bird Colonel in USAF reserve.
I love watching him operate in the Senate Armed Services committees. He's a pretty fair lawyer and without a doubt a patriot who asks the right questions of Obama's SecDefs and Generals.
The animus toward him is misdirected in my view.
The animus is because of the many, many things he has done during his long stay in the Senate. We can appreciate his service, and still recognize that his faults outweigh his positives.
He is a Dim in Republican clothing when it comes to border and immigration issues. Since those issues are currently MUCH more dangerous to the future of America than all the missiles and soldiers that China and Russia have,I'd say it is a pretty big issue.
I have no way of knowing any more what to make of this world view.
It was a huge Border Wedgie "win" back in the day when W's proposal regarding illegal immigration and border security was vilified and defeated to the delight of the media howler monkeys like Ingraham, Levin, Malkin, Coulter and Savage.
What's better now? How are things going? How we doin'? Is everyone happy?
If this is winning - I'd rather lose.
He is a Dim in Republican clothing when it comes to border and immigration issues. Since those issues are currently MUCH more dangerous to the future of America than all the missiles and soldiers that China and Russia have,I'd say it is a pretty big issue.
IMO,nothing is going better now,we have damn near lost it all,and people are telling up to ignore it.
You can count me amongst the unhappy campers.
So what exactly is Graham's position on the border and immigration issues that has you so concerned? He seems to have the same goals as most Americans. Or is over half the Country afraid of being outed?
I'm with you Pete but Graham is not the villain.
He's sanctimonious and smug and annoying but his ideology and votes are generally spot on.
I care more about national security and Constitutional fidelity than social issues these days and Graham has usually been on the right side of those issues throughout his career.
No,Graham is not "The" villian. That seat currently belongs to Obomber. BUT......,he goes along with the villian and his henchmen,but 10 percent less to prove he is his own man. He does just enough to keep getting re-elected without actually doing anything to reverse the trend.
IMO,this means he need to be replaced,not praised.
NOTHING in current politics represents a greater danger to national security and the continued existence of the Constitution than closing the borders and ejecting non-citizen foreigners while eliminating crap like Motor Voter. If we don't do that,we won't have a nation to secure and won't need a Constitution.
And, I agree completely that the border policy under the Obama regime has been a disgrace. We really have no idea who is living amongst us and what their agenda is.
Rubio/Kasich?
Today's RCP polls: Trump is beating Rubio in Florida and +5 over Kasich in Ohio.
That doesn't look like a winning ticket to me.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Perhaps so ac but who fares better versus Hillary or Sanders in those same polls? The ticket has strength.
Graham sides with the Dims.
What else do you really need to know?
What I asked you. What is Graham's position on borders and the immigration issue? You seem to have reached some strong conclusions about it, so I'm sure you could give some details on it.
No,Graham is not "The" villian. That seat currently belongs to Obomber. BUT......,he goes along with the villian and his henchmen,but 10 percent less to prove he is his own man. He does just enough to keep getting re-elected without actually doing anything to reverse the trend.
IMO,this means he need to be replaced,not praised.
NOTHING in current politics represents a greater danger to national security and the continued existence of the Constitution than closing the borders and ejecting non-citizen foreigners while eliminating crap like Motor Voter. If we don't do that,we won't have a nation to secure and won't need a Constitution.
Which one of Graham's positions were you wanting? There have been several.
The ones Pete was telling me about concerning borders and immigration.
I'll let Pete answer that, but wasn't Graham one of the Gang of Eight?
What I asked you. What is Graham's position on borders and the immigration issue? You seem to have reached some strong conclusions about it, so I'm sure you could give some details on it.
Don't tell Obama about Graham's "A" grade with the NRA, or about his ten year efforts to better secure the borders, or his efforts to keep a strong military. And here he keeps getting elected time after time in one of the more conservative states. So we South Carolinians need to make sure we don't praise him. Okay, got it!
Yes he was. He was also part of the McCain-Kennedy efforts in 2005 and 2006 which ultimately resulted in two bills in 2007, both filibustered and tabled.
Perhaps so ac but who fares better versus Hillary or Sanders in those same polls? The ticket has strength.
I could if I cared enough to look it up. I'm content to know that I ready he was one of the crowd with no real interest in shutting down the borders,ending the anchor baby program,or any other effective program.
Nothing personal,but I don't look up URL's for other people. My position is that if it interests someone else enough they will look it up themselves.
You know i laughed abt Lindsey running for president. I happened to be home one weekend in Sept I think.
We were at happy hour and talking politics. For those who don't know, it is wonderful to me being in SC talking politics!!!! 99% of the people are conservative or republicans.
Anyway, a lot of the locals (those of us that live at the beach years round) were talking abt Lindsey, and I was shocked to hear all the good things being said about him.
So I have softened my opinion of him, given that the whole world in DC is of convoluted thievery and thuggary.
He can get things done, and he can piss us off. But in both cases we are not sure why or how, so he is a traitor! :shrug:
Sorta what I thought. :facepalm2:
Think whatever you like. I just don't have the time.
Oh, yet you said you just didn't care enough to. :whistle:
I have neither the time nor the concern.
Happy now?