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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: DCPatriot on July 20, 2015, 02:01:31 am
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Trump: I don't need to be lectured
Donald Trump
John McCain has called his own constituents who want a secure border “crazies.” No one in the news media or the establishment, including the Republican National Committee, criticized the senator for those comments.
Now, as respected reporter Sharyl Attkisson has proved point by point, the news media are also distorting my words. But that is not my point. McCain the politician has failed the state of Arizona and the country.
During my entire business career, I have always made supporting veterans a top priority because our heroes deserve the very best for defending our freedom. Our Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals are outdated dumps. I will build the finest and most modern veterans hospitals in the world. The current medical assistance to our veterans is a disaster. A Trump administration will provide the finest universal access health care for our veterans. They will be able to get the best care anytime and anywhere.
Thanks to McCain and his Senate colleague Bernie Sanders, their legislation to cover up the VA scandal, in which 1,000+ veterans died waiting for medical care, made sure no one has been punished, charged, jailed, fined or held responsible. McCain has abandoned our veterans. I will fight for them.
The reality is that John McCain the politician has made America less safe, sent our brave soldiers into wrong-headed foreign adventures, covered up for President Obama with the VA scandal and has spent most of his time in the Senate pushing amnesty. He would rather protect the Iraqi border than Arizona’s. He even voted for the Iran Nuclear Review Act of 2015, which allows Obama, who McCain lost to in a record defeat, to push his dangerous Iran nuclear agreement through the Senate without a supermajority of votes.
A number of my competitors for the Republican nomination have no business running for president. I do not need to be lectured by any of them. Many are failed politicians or people who would be unable to succeed in the private sector. Some, however, I have great respect for.
My record of veteran support is well-documented. I served as co-chairman of the New York Vietnam Veterans Memorial Commission and was responsible, with a small group, for getting it built. Toward this end, I contributed over $1 million so our warriors can be honored in New York City with a proper memorial. I also helped finance and served as the grand marshal of the 1995 Nation’s Day Parade, which honored over 25,000 veterans. It was one of the biggest parades in the history of New York City, and I was very proud to have made it possible.
I will continue to fight to secure our border and take care of our veterans because these steps are vital to make America great again!
Donald Trump is a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/07/19/donald-trump-republican-party-presidential-candidate-editorials-debates/30389993/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/07/19/donald-trump-republican-party-presidential-candidate-editorials-debates/30389993/)
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Say what you want about Doanld Trump.
$10 Billion buys you a lot of power and access. And Trump wields it like nobody else.
And if were John McCain, I'd be very nervous right now.
Should be a very exciting week coming.
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Say what you want about Doanld Trump.
$10 Billion buys you a lot of power and access. And Trump wields it like nobody else.
And if were John McCain, I'd be very nervous right now.
Should be a very exciting week coming.
With or without Trump if I was McCain I'd be worried. Actually if I was McCain I'd be very happy to take on Trump. I think I'd kind of consider it an honor.
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With or without Trump if I was McCain I'd be worried. Actually if I was McCain I'd be very happy to take on Trump. I think I'd kind of consider it an honor.
Yeah? Well maybe he can begin by responding to this essay by Trump.
It's hard-hitting, bombastic, but honest and well thought-out.
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"....During my entire business career, I have always made supporting veterans a top priority ..."
A career with no interference by military service, due to dodging the draft thanks to rich father.
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Thanks to McCain and his Senate colleague Bernie Sanders, their legislation to cover up the VA scandal, in which 1,000+ veterans died waiting for medical care, made sure no one has been punished, charged, jailed, fined or held responsible. McCain has abandoned our veterans. I will fight for them.
So true and still nothing has change since the VA scandal broke...as a vet McCain should have been spearheading and on top of this 24/7
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Say what you want about Doanld Trump.
$10 Billion buys you a lot of power and access. And Trump wields it like nobody else.
And if were John McCain, I'd be very nervous right now.
Should be a very exciting week coming.
Keep digging that hole Donny. The Rump is now running for President against all of the GOP, for the GOP nomination. This is definitely going to be an exciting week.
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Yeah? Well maybe he can begin by responding to this essay by Trump.
It's hard-hitting, bombastic, but honest and well thought-out.
You think this guy is deserving of seriousness? That he has earned it?
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You think this guy is deserving of seriousness? That he has earned it?
Problem I see, is that the Democrats are taking the adage..."If your enemy is digging a hole, shut up and hand him a shovel"...to heart.
I wish he were going after Hillary Clinton like he's zeroing in on McCain.
But hey...it's still early. :smokin:
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Problem I see, is that the Democrats are taking the adage..."If your enemy is digging a hole, shut up and hand him a shovel"...to heart.
I wish he were going after Hillary Clinton like he's zeroing in on McCain.
But hey...it's still early. :smokin:
He's not a serious man..Hillary knows it.
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He's not a serious man..Hillary knows it.
Well, Hillary has her own problems…
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/BernieMN.jpg/300px-BernieMN.jpg)
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[[ A number of my competitors for the Republican nomination have no business running for president. I do not need to be lectured by any of them. Many are failed politicians or people who would be unable to succeed in the private sector. Some, however, I have great respect for. ]]
KA-BOOM !!!!
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Well, Hillary has her own problems…
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/BernieMN.jpg/300px-BernieMN.jpg)
And coincidentally, Sanders the Communist is included in the essay along with McCain.
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Say what you want about Doanld Trump.
$10 Billion buys you a lot of power and access. And Trump wields it like nobody else.
And if were John McCain, I'd be very nervous right now.
Should be a very exciting week coming.
For God's sake, DC, Trump pissed all over himself with his criticism of McCain.
This is a low-life, ridiculous, contemptuous sonofabitch who dodged the draft, has screwed countless creditors with his endless bankruptcies, and can't seem to keep a wife for more than a few years.
I hope this is the end of Donald Trump. If not, he'll say something else that will drive another group of conservatives away from him. Makes sense, since he's only donated to Democrats. What an effing phony!!!
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[[ A number of my competitors for the Republican nomination have no business running for president. I do not need to be lectured by any of them. Many are failed politicians or people who would be unable to succeed in the private sector. Some, however, I have great respect for. ]]
KA-BOOM !!!!
Half Trump's support is his name recognition, but half his support comes from the message. The message is "I hate the GOP." It's a message he has invested his own money in, and it resonates with many a disgruntled conservative who wouldn't think of voting for anyone but Trump and maybe Carson or Cruz. All of the other candidates picked the other side...the credible(GOPe) candidates have made the political calculation that Trump's voters are a lost cause.
Trump is toast...and I think he knows it too, because he is clearly in damage control mode...unfortunately he can't shut up. It is not in his nature. He loves the limelight.
KA-BOOM is right.
Neal Dewing @Neal_Dewing 5h5 hours ago
I remain utterly convinced of the fundamental soundness of my own opinion.
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Half Trump's support is his name recognition, but half his support comes from the message. The message is "I hate the GOP." It's a message he has invested his own money in, and it resonates with many a disgruntled conservative who wouldn't think of voting for anyone but Trump and maybe Carson or Cruz. All of the other candidates picked the other side...the credible(GOPe) candidates have made the political calculation that Trump's voters are a lost cause.
Trump is toast...and I think he knows it too, because he is clearly in damage control mode...unfortunately he can't shut up. It is not in his nature. He loves the limelight.
KA-BOOM is right.
Neal Dewing @Neal_Dewing 5h5 hours ago
I remain utterly convinced of the fundamental soundness of my own opinion.
So you are happy with what is going on?
You like the stagnation of the GOP?
You want the GOP to stay the course?
Do you think the liberal vote chasing GOP candidate is going to change anything?
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So you are happy with what is going on?
You like the stagnation of the GOP?
You want the GOP to stay the course?
Do you think the liberal vote chasing GOP candidate is going to change anything?
Do you think that pro-choice, anti 2nd Amendment, single-payer healthcare system supporter Donald Trump is the GOP's salvation?
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Do you think that pro-choice, anti 2nd Amendment, single-payer healthcare system supporter Donald Trump is the GOP's salvation?
Assuming your characterization of Trump is accurate, how is he then different from the other wannabes?
The GOP loyalists have had total control of the government (congress and president) during many different administrations and what got fixed?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results IS the definition of insanity, disagree?
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Assuming your characterization of Trump is accurate, how is he then different from the other wannabes?
The GOP loyalists have had total control of the government (congress and president) during many different administrations and what got fixed?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results IS the definition of insanity, disagree?
It's not my characterization of Trump. It's Trump, in his own words, in his book "The America We Deserve".
There is no pro-choice GOP candidate.
There is no anti 2nd Amendment GOP candidate.
There is no single-payer healthcare system proponent GOP candidate.
What makes you think that Trump is the answer for anything at all?
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It's not my characterization of Trump. It's Trump, in his own words, in his book "The America We Deserve".
There is no pro-choice GOP candidate.
There is no anti 2nd Amendment GOP candidate.
There is no single-payer healthcare system proponent GOP candidate.
What makes you think that Trump is the answer for anything at all?
luis, we are just never going to agree.
You just want to win an election no matter the cost and I want to fix the country no matter the cost.
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luis, we are just never going to agree.
You just want to win an election no matter the cost and I want to fix the country no matter the cost.
Fix the country?
Why is it that you always clearly state what it is that you oppose, but never who or what it is that you support?
Who is that candidate that will "fix the country"?
Convince me, but you won't do that by insulting and demeaning everything that I support and believe in.
So then, who is it that you support and that you believe will fix the country?
I'll listen to you.
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luis, we are just never going to agree.
You just want to win an election no matter the cost and I want to fix the country no matter the cost.
BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country?
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BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country?
With pelosi/reid in charge and mccain in the whitehouse we would be much the same place we are now, maybe even worse in the ME.
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With pelosi/reid in charge and mccain in the whitehouse we would be much the same place we are now, maybe even worse in the ME.
No GOP President or member of Congress would have ever signed Obamacare into law.
Not a single Republican voted for it. Not even McCain.
Not House Republican voted for Obamacare.
Those are facts.
I'm not going to engage you in soothsaying and conjecture.
Talk specifics and you need to define what and who it is that you stand for, not just what it is that you claim I stand for that is wrong, otherwise we're done.
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You think this guy is deserving of seriousness? That he has earned it?
Yes
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With pelosi/reid in charge and mccain in the whitehouse we would be much the same place we are now, maybe even worse in the ME.
Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?
Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country?
How about current race relations among our citizens? Gay marriage acceptance?
Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?
Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened? That he would have toppled Gaddafi? French-kissed Morsi? Bent over for the Ayatollahs?
Are you serious?? :whistle:
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No GOP President or member of Congress would have ever signed Obamacare into law.
But the left had enough votes, including republicans to overturn the veto.
McCain would have been a snack for those guys...
Not a single Republican voted for it. Not even McCain.
Not House Republican voted for Obamacare.
That is true... But they did not fight very hard either.
They make a lot of noise but no action.
Why is Holder not in jail?
Those are facts.
I'm not going to engage you in soothsaying and conjecture.
Then why are you involved in political conversations?
Talk specifics and you need to define what and who it is that you stand for, not just what it is that you claim I stand for that is wrong, otherwise we're done.
Ok, you can quit anytime... ok by me.
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Luis asked above:
[[ BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country? ]]
We lost the last two elections because of the guys at the top of the ticket.
I have serious doubts that we can win the next one by putting the same kinda guy back on the top of said ticket...
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Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?
Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country?
How about current race relations among our citizens? Gay marriage acceptance?
Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?
Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened? That he would have toppled Gaddafi? French-kissed Morsi? Bent over for the Ayatollahs?
Are you serious?? :whistle:
Yeah.
No s#it.
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Take a look at the list of the GOP wannabes. There's only a handful of serious contenders there.
I just don't want to end up with another establishment Republican who just wants to get along with the left. We need radical change in DC.
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Luis asked above:
[[ BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country? ]]
We lost the last two elections because of the guys at the top of the ticket.
I have serious doubts that we can win the next one by putting the same kinda guy back on the top of said ticket...
No.
We lost the last two elections because some voters refused to vote for the GOP candidate and decided instead that a Muslim Socialist was a better choice than a Republican to run the country.
We lost the last two elections because people on the right elevated their hatred for people on the right above their love of country, and now those same people want to blame the GOP for the consequence of their choice to let Obama win by their actions or lack of them.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me that it's raining.
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I just don't want to end up with another establishment Republican who just wants to get along with the left. We need radical change in DC.
And McCain was the tool chosen to keep that from happening. It was McCain who attacked Trump over his illegal immigration comments so that Trump would respond and get himself in 'trouble'... which the media is quite happy to blow up into something it wasn't in order to damage Trump... while McCain plays the humble, war-hero, public servant role...
Of course, McCain was previously chosen to get 'The One' elected in the first place... so he's a predictably servile tool...
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/franklind164126.html)
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BTW, can we discuss the cost of losing the last two elections and how you believe that NOT winning elections will help fix the country?
It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election". I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't. A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.
Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party! The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP! (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out. Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on. Don't trust Trump much.) But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait. My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn. I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting.
If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy. The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us.
These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections. Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation.
I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election. It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day. The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around. Unfortunately, I think it's too late.
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It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election". I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't. A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.
Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party! The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP! (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out. Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on. Don't trust Trump much.) But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait. My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn. I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting.
If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy. The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us.
These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections. Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation.
I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election. It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day. The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around. Unfortunately, I think it's too late.
Wow. You're so sexy when you're intellectually awesome!
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Are you saying that health insurance rates would be as high and choices as plentiufl?
Are you saying we'd have 2.5 million Middle Eastern Muslims shipped into the country?
How about current race relations among our citizens? Gay marriage acceptance?
Are you suggesting 'President' McCain would not have negotiated a successful Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and like Obama, pulled out and left a vulnerable Iraqi 'democracy'...empowering Iran?
Are you saying that McCain would have worked out an agreement that would have left Israel asleep with one eye opened? That he would have toppled Gaddafi? French-kissed Morsi? Bent over for the Ayatollahs?
Are you serious?? :whistle:
We would still have obamacare (under a different name maybe)
The supreme court are the ones that forced gay marriage on us. McCain could not have stopped it.
So you believe that race is the presidents doing? I believe it is 100% on the media's hands.
McCain would have doubled down in the ME and we would be burring a lot more of our kids. He is Mr. ROE. He wants to play at war not win it.
Edit: Just for the record, I did voter for McCain but had no expectation that change was in the making.
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Wow. You're so sexy when you're intellectually awesome!
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You are too ac!
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It would be great if we could discuss the cost of losing the last two elections without the tiring knee-jerk reaction of automatically placing all of the blame on "conservatives who sat out the election". I would like to hear a frank and honest discussion of what the GOP leadership has done to alienate a lot of people within their own party...of why it is automatically assumed that only a "moderate" can win - when clearly they can't. A conversation about why the GOP is afraid of it's own shadow and lives in mortal fear of offending Obama, blacks, hispanics, gays, islamic terrorists, feminists, welfare parasites, the media...and on and on.
Who they end up offending, and have no compunction to do so - is a significant number of people in their own party! The only reason people keep talking about Donald Trump (ad nauseam) is because he is saying things that a good number of people are hungry to hear - because they never hear it from the GOP! (I personally think he is in the race to keep the smaller candidates from getting media coverage - once he gets them out of the way - he will drop out. Not to mention the media and Obama & Co using him as a GIANT distraction from the other stuff going on. Don't trust Trump much.) But if we keep talking on-and-on-and-on-and-on about Donald Trump, we are enabling this - taking the bait. My God, we are so stupid - we deserve to lose elections - we are idiots that never learn. I'm so disgusted by us right now that I can hardly keep from vomiting.
If being a spineless coward was such a great strategy - then it would be a winning strategy. The only reason they won the last mid-term election is because it was a last ditch hail Mary pass - and as many of us expected - it hasn't paid off for us.
These are the things that have had a great effect on the last two losing elections. Blame conservatives if you must, but until the leadership is at least willing to SHARE the blame - there can be no productive conversation.
I'm at the point where I'm not even sure there will even BE another election. It's that bad, and it's getting worse every day. The current strategy of "offend no one" is offensive to anyone that wants to see real change in this country - that wants to turn this disaster around. Unfortunately, I think it's too late.
It's not a jerk reaction to blame the loss of the election on people sitting out the election when people are openly saying that they sat out the election because they didn't like the candidate.
That's just a fact. The reasons why they felt justified to sit the election out is something else altogether.
The OTHER fact is that if the GOP nominates some abject moron like Trump or a SoCon like Huckabee or Santorum because some people believe them to be conservatives because they talk about God all the time, and those of us who believe that they are abject, worthless morons sit out the election, the GOP will again lose, irrespective of whether or not the conservative wing shows up at the polling places.
What loses elections is the fact that the right does not unite behind one candidate once that candidate wins the primaries.
The left is defined and united by their hatred for the right, and the right is defined and divided by their hatred for the right.
We can go on all day and all night talking about how some portion of the GOP is dissatisfied with the GOP and how someone that's not a "moderate" would be a better candidate, but the long and the short of it is that some of us will vote for the GOP nominee, EVEN IF BY SOME FREAKISH HAPPENSTANCE THAT NOMINEE IS SOME FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE THAT'S NOT PALATABLE TO US, while others will NOT vote for a candidate that's not "right enough" to find suitable.
This country needs a rest form ideologues.
Putting up a moderate that may somehow try to unite us instead of further dividing us along political ideological lines to the degree where we can't even enjoy a good song because we object to the singer's politics, may be a welcomed change.
Just my honest opinion.
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It's not a jerk reaction to blame the loss of the election on people sitting out the election when people are openly saying that they sat out the election because they didn't like the candidate.
That's just a fact. The reasons why they felt justified to sit the election out is something else altogether.
The OTHER fact is that if the GOP nominates some abject moron like Trump or a SoCon like Huckabee or Santorum because some people believe them to be conservatives because they talk about God all the time, and those of us who believe that they are abject, worthless morons sit out the election, the GOP will again lose, irrespective of whether or not the conservative wing shows up at the polling places.
What loses elections is the fact that the right does not unite behind one candidate once that candidate wins the primaries.
The left is defined and united by their hatred for the right, and the right is defined and divided by their hatred for the right.
We can go on all day and all night talking about how some portion of the GOP is dissatisfied with the GOP and how someone that's not a "moderate" would be a better candidate, but the long and the short of it is that some of us will vote for the GOP nominee, EVEN IF BY SOME FREAKISH HAPPENSTANCE THAT NOMINEE IS SOME FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE THAT'S NOT PALATABLE TO US, while others will NOT vote for a candidate that's not "right enough" to find suitable.
This country needs a rest form ideologues.
Putting up a moderate that may somehow try to unite us instead of further dividing us along political ideological lines to the degree where we can't even enjoy a good song because we object to the singer's politics, may be a welcomed change.
Just my honest opinion.
You're wrong.
(Just my honest opinion.) :beer:
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Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him. In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.
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Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him. In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.
You will get the candidates that the msm and the people who control that media want you to have...
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You will get the candidates that the msm and the people who control that media want you to have...
Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time. On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.
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Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time. On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.
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Just a cop-out to the fact that there hasn't been a really strong conservative Republican for quite some time. On the other hand Democrats have Hillary who seems to be strong but is sabotaging herself by her arrogance.
In order to make the 'cop-out to the fact' claim you must beg the question by assuming that a 'really strong conservative Republican' did not exist because had they existed they would have received fair treatment from a tightly-controlled, overwhelmingly-liberal media and been nominated.
Sorry to say but... that's not a fact... that's just circular reasoning...
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In order to make the 'cop-out to the fact' claim you must beg the question by assuming that a 'really strong conservative Republican' did not exist because had they existed they would have received fair treatment from a tightly-controlled, overwhelmingly-liberal media and been nominated.
Sorry to say but... that's not a fact... that's just circular reasoning...
I think you're a little paranoid Dan. Nothing could stop a really good conservative and Republicans don't pay much attention to what the MSM thinks.
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Luis wrote above:
[[ No.
We lost the last two elections because some voters refused to vote for the GOP candidate and decided instead that a Muslim Socialist was a better choice than a Republican to run the country. ]]
Well if that's your premise, Luis, just repeat the process all over again with a candidate of similar qualities, and see how many of those same Republican voters stay home a THIRD time.
By the way, I DIDN'T "stay home" the two previous elections, but if the Pubbies insist on "repeat candidates" a la 2008 and 2012, I won't make any promises about goin' to the polls next time...
Get yer umbrella out fer the yellow rain!
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I think you're a little paranoid Dan. Nothing could stop a really good conservative and Republicans don't pay much attention to what the MSM thinks.
And I think you're very naive, bkepley, if you don't know that the msm is tightly-controlled, extremely liberal and believe that 'nothing could stop a really good conservative'...
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Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him. In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.
You bring up the independents? The very people the right needs, to win?
How dare you step outside the narrow view of all conservatism, all the time. Nothing and nobody else matters.
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You bring up the independents? The very people the right needs, to win?
How dare you step outside the narrow view of all conservatism, all the time. Nothing and nobody else matters.
With all due respect t_s, what is it with you and conservatism? Almost every post you make is a slam at a truly superb political ideology. Does it have its faults? Of course, and some erroneously like to claim it to support very non-conservative positions. But so do so-called progressives. This is simply a question t_s, not a slam at you. I'm just very curious.
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Luis wrote above:
[[ This country needs a rest form ideologues...]]
I checked "idealogue" using the Dictionary app on my Mac:
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ideologue |ˈīdēəˌlôg, -ˌläg, ˈidēə-|
noun
an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: a conservative ideologue.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from French idéologue; see also ideology.
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I will counter your statement with the assertion that the person who I consider to be the strongest Republican contender -- Scott Walker -- is also the individual who [if viewed through his governing] is the greatest "idealogue" of all the current candidates.
Has he not pursued a somewhat ruthless and successful campaign against the left in Wisconsin by sticking to a set of conservative principles with a quiet fervor that only an "ideologue" might possess?
Walker's strength is that he is a conservative who softens the edges of his ideology with a quiet, but resolved personality.
"Uncompromising" and "dogmatic", to be sure.
And that's EXACTLY what I like about him!
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When all is said and done, no matter who gets elected, the party if their choice is going to dictate the agenda.
I am convinced that all of this noise is simply to find the person most liked.
There will be no border security and the budget will continue to balloon out of control and the government will double in size in 10 years.
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With all due respect t_s, what is it with you and conservatism? Almost every post you make is a slam at a truly superb political ideology. Does it have its faults? Of course, and some erroneously like to claim it to support very non-conservative positions. But so do so-called progressives. This is simply a question t_s, not a slam at you. I'm just very curious.
I'm sorry my sarcasm is often misunderstood. I witnessed "conservatism" over the weekend trumpeting a draft dodger, as their latest heartthrob, in spite of his previous/other positions.
The face of conservatism is the conservatives themselves, as seen by others. I'm frequently very disappointed. I just don't express myself, well enough.
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I'm sorry my sarcasm is often misunderstood. I witnessed "conservatism" over the weekend trumpeting a draft dodger, as their latest heartthrob, in spite of his previous/other positions.
The face of conservatism is the conservatives themselves, as seen by others. I'm frequently very disappointed. I just don't express myself, well enough.
Not getting on you t_s, but I do know that conservatism is a far better political ideology than the alternatives. But yes, some who call themselves conservatives the most often can be seen taking some very unconservative positions as we saw over the weekend. The media too enjoys painting conservatism in the worst light it can. Progressivism as claimed by Obama, Sanders et al is shown to be wonderful; conservatism is shown by the media as represented by people like Todd Aiken. Conservatives like most of the current candidates are going to be thrashed by the media.
Did the media go into Obama's writings; his college; his black liberation religion? Did they look carefully at his friends and associates? His drug use? Hardly. When Romney was running, the media spent their time looking at what he might have done in high school, or how much he took as a tax credit on a horse, or passing on rumors about not paying his taxes or any rumor they could find.
Conservatism will take a hit again this go-around. It is what it is, but it's time conservatives stood up and defended their ideology and not through outrageous statements.
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Luis wrote above:
[[ This country needs a rest form ideologues...]]
I checked "idealogue" using the Dictionary app on my Mac:
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ideologue |ˈīdēəˌlôg, -ˌläg, ˈidēə-|
noun
an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic: a conservative ideologue.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from French idéologue; see also ideology.
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I will counter your statement with the assertion that the person who I consider to be the strongest Republican contender -- Scott Walker -- is also the individual who [if viewed through his governing] is the greatest "idealogue" of all the current candidates.
Has he not pursued a somewhat ruthless and successful campaign against the left in Wisconsin by sticking to a set of conservative principles with a quiet fervor that only an "ideologue" might possess?
Walker's strength is that he is a conservative who softens the edges of his ideology with a quiet, but resolved personality.
"Uncompromising" and "dogmatic", to be sure.
And that's EXACTLY what I like about him!
I like walker, so we agree about him.
However, we don't elect rulers. Obama thinks he's a ruler.
The POTUS is the President of all the people, not the deliverer of the ideology of a portion of the people.
Most Americans have complicated beliefs that don't neatly fit into someone else's ideological boundaries, and they get a voice in the government as well.
Most Americans don’t think abortion should be outlawed, but they also don’t think it should be limitless.
They believe in background checks, some gun control, and sensible regulations, but don't for one minute believe in outlawing guns.
Most Americans support fiscally responsible government policies and spending limitations, but (unfortunately) support higher tax rates for "the rich".
Most Americans believe that the government should lend some level of support to people in need, but they also recognize that the entitlement system in the country is being abused and needs reform.
Most Americans are in one man, one woman marriages but at the same time they have no problem with SSM.
Most Americans oppose Obamacare, but agree that something needs to be done about the rising cost of health care in the country.
Most Americans are not offended by the Washington Redskin's name. In fact, most Americans don't give a s#it about the Redskins at all.
:smokin:
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Not getting on you t_s, but I do know that conservatism is a far better political ideology than the alternatives. But yes, some who call themselves conservatives the most often can be seen taking some very unconservative positions as we saw over the weekend. The media too enjoys painting conservatism in the worst light it can. Progressivism as claimed by Obama, Sanders et al is shown to be wonderful; conservatism is shown by the media as represented by people like Todd Aiken. Conservatives like most of the current candidates are going to be thrashed by the media.
Did the media go into Obama's writings; his college; his black liberation religion? Did they look carefully at his friends and associates? His drug use? Hardly. When Romney was running, the media spent their time looking at what he might have done in high school, or how much he took as a tax credit on a horse, or passing on rumors about not paying his taxes or any rumor they could find.
Conservatism will take a hit again this go-around. It is what it is, but it's time conservatives stood up and defended their ideology and not through outrageous statements.
Progressivism/liberalism has claimed the mantle of charity. They've taken it even from The Church.
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Progressivism/liberalism has claimed the mantle of charity. They've taken it even from The Church.
It is hard to beat the great Democrat give-away game. Their campaign is based on scaring hell out the electorate (Republicans hate women, minorities, the aged, the poor) and promising every one of them something, cash, new welfare programs, increases in entitlements...and protection from Republicans.
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Judging from Google news the MSM will not follow Trump into McCain criticism and are using this to further bash him. In other words Trump is losing this one maybe not among the far-right but in the MSM which is bound to have an effect on the independents.
I have to say that is nonsense, sir/mam.
Independents have one important connection with the Conservative Right. They don't believe the mainstream media's reporting on issues.
They HATE the media. If that weren't true, they'd be Democrats. You cannot be an INDY without being informed on some level.
Trump doubled down on McCain instead of apologizing.
Numerous figures/pundits on the Left had already said the same thing about McCain's POW status ....not being heroic or to use in some enhancement on a resume. None of them were criticized.
Trump is so rich that he could spend and spend ONLY his own money and STILL not have to empty his petty cash drawer....in order to beat [fill-in-the-blank]...whether it's a Democrat or Republican. Or Socialist for that matter.
McCain is a sh*tty Republican and a worse politician...despite being reelected by the people of Arizona. It's already been proven that even with a token choice of Sarah Palin, his attraction is all 'local'.
Wait until Trump unloads on him for supporting the Corker Amendment, essentially nullifying the US Congress in dealing with Iran nuke deal.
Like I said, it's going to be a fascinating week.
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We would still have obamacare (under a different name maybe)
The supreme court are the ones that forced gay marriage on us. McCain could not have stopped it.
Hmmm...I didn't realize that GWB nominated Justice Sonia Mayor and Elaine Kagan. ]/s]
So you believe that race is the presidents doing? I believe it is 100% on the media's hands.
Shirley....you can't be serious. :whistle:
McCain would have doubled down in the ME and we would be burring a lot more of our kids. He is Mr. ROE. He wants to play at war not win it.
Edit: Just for the record, I did voter for McCain but had no expectation that change was in the making.
McCain is not an American hater like the current resident of the White House. Give me a break. No comparison.
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With all due respect t_s, what is it with you and conservatism? Almost every post you make is a slam at a truly superb political ideology. Does it have its faults? Of course, and some erroneously like to claim it to support very non-conservative positions. But so do so-called progressives. This is simply a question t_s, not a slam at you. I'm just very curious.
I suspect some of the posters here are not what they claim to be. I suspect some, not saying t_s is or isn't one of them, are here merely to keep the bickering alive, and the divide as wide as possible.
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I suspect some of the posters here are not what they claim to be. I suspect some, not saying t_s is or isn't one of them, are here merely to keep the bickering alive, and the divide as wide as possible.
"Say it ain't so... Joe!" :silly:
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"Say it ain't so... Joe!" :silly:
:howlin: :howlin: :howlin:
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Truth_Seeker is a Republican.
isn't that enough to be welcomed here? It should be. :whistle:
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Hmmm...I didn't realize that GWB nominated Justice Sonia Mayor and Elaine Kagan. ]/s]
Shirley....you can't be serious. :whistle:
McCain is not an American hater like the current resident of the White House. Give me a break. No comparison.
President Bush on Tuesday picked Judge John G. Roberts Jr....
Don't call me shirley.... you surely jest
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I have to say that is nonsense, sir/mam.
Independents have one important connection with the Conservative Right. They don't believe the mainstream media's reporting on issues.
They HATE the media. If that weren't true, they'd be Democrats. You cannot be an INDY without being informed on some level.
I'd say that is one of the more insightful things I've read tonight and it applies to the right as well. Many conservatives think the message of conservatism will always be accepted by voters if they can find the right messenger. Many independents have heard conservative arguments and reject them.
Trump doubled down on McCain instead of apologizing.
Numerous figures/pundits on the Left had already said the same thing about McCain's POW status ....not being heroic or to use in some enhancement on a resume. None of them were criticized.
Trump is so rich that he could spend and spend ONLY his own money and STILL not have to empty his petty cash drawer....in order to beat [fill-in-the-blank]...whether it's a Democrat or Republican. Or Socialist for that matter.
McCain is a sh*tty Republican and a worse politician...despite being reelected by the people of Arizona. It's already been proven that even with a token choice of Sarah Palin, his attraction is all 'local'.
Wait until Trump unloads on him for supporting the Corker Amendment, essentially nullifying the US Congress in dealing with Iran nuke deal.
Like I said, it's going to be a fascinating week.
I don't disagree with anything you wrote. I actually hope Trump keeps his focus on McCain and off his GOP nomination opponents. This episode has been extremely eye opening for some people and more of it will likely quicken Trumps departure IMO. For some it has bolstered their faith that Trump is a real fighter, for others Trump looks petty and argumentative.
For me it comes down to whose finger will be on the red button?
If I'm wrong and Trumps support surges, moderate Republican support will likely coalesce around Jeb.