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Title: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2016, 09:53:52 pm
 Associated Press August 22 at 4:58 PM
WASHINGTON — The Latest on the U.S. presidential campaign. (all times EDT):

4:25 p.m.

Donald Trump is suggesting he would resume the practice of giving surplus military equipment to local police departments.

The Obama administration banned police agencies from receiving military-grade equipment after 2014 protests in Ferguson, Missouri, over the death of Michael Brown, a black man, in a confrontation with police.

Answering a question Monday in Akron, Ohio, Trump said, “I think it’s ridiculous that they’re not” given the equipment.

The Republican presidential nominee also said he believed that some rising crime is partly due to a decline in police manpower and vowed to change that.

Trump met with two dozen active and retired police officers at Lodge 7 of the Fraternal Order of Police. The union’s national organization is expected to announce an endorsement next month.

Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: geronl on August 22, 2016, 10:01:39 pm
Trump fondly remembers the days when marchers and protesters were attacked with dogs, water cannons and tear gas.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/trumpmarch_zpszozthixc.jpg)
REAL TRUMP QUOTE
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 22, 2016, 10:02:32 pm
I don't mind police getting small arms and defensive gear but too often police seem to go out of their way to find uses for what they get rather than getting them because they need them.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2016, 10:11:24 pm
I don't mind police getting small arms and defensive gear but too often police seem to go out of their way to find uses for what they get rather than getting them because they need them.

Some Dept would be happy with enough Armoured Vehicles to make an appearance in the  May Day Parade in the Balkans.  Put Trump in the Lead Tank.

(http://orig04.deviantart.net/7445/f/2016/117/5/2/the_donald_by_sharpwriter-da0eh6b.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:13:17 pm
Some Dept would be happy with enough Armoured Vehicles to make an appearance in the  May Day Parade in the Balkans.  Put Trump in the Lead Tank.

(http://orig04.deviantart.net/7445/f/2016/117/5/2/the_donald_by_sharpwriter-da0eh6b.jpg)

That is really a disturbing image.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2016, 10:24:56 pm
That is really a disturbing image.

That is How His Supporters see Him.

This is how everyone else sees him.

(http://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/donald-trump.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:26:24 pm
That is How His Supporters see Him.


I know.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 22, 2016, 10:27:08 pm
That is How His Supporters see Him.

This is how everyone else sees him.

(http://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/donald-trump.jpg)
What the hay?
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: driftdiver on August 22, 2016, 10:32:04 pm
Trump fondly remembers the days when marchers and protesters were attacked with dogs, water cannons and tear gas.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/trumpmarch_zpszozthixc.jpg)
REAL TRUMP QUOTE

Are you sure that quote is real?  I mean consequences  is an awful big word for him.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: geronl on August 22, 2016, 10:40:01 pm
Are you sure that quote is real?  I mean consequences  is an awful big word for him.

well for him it was more than one word... consy-quences
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: GtHawk on August 22, 2016, 10:48:01 pm
That is How His Supporters see Him.

This is how everyone else sees him.

(http://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/donald-trump.jpg)
Well, actually I see him skiing down Bandini Mountain and doing a reenactment of The Agony of Defeat scene.
@Wingnut
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2016, 10:59:11 pm
Well, actually I see him skiing down Bandini Mountain and doing a reenactment of The Agony of Defeat scene.
@Wingnut

 :silly:

Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: HonestJohn on August 24, 2016, 12:19:25 am
I hear we have a bit of a nuclear bomb surplus.

I'm sure Mayberry could use two or three.

At the very least, a few fuel-air explosive bombs...
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: HonestJohn on August 24, 2016, 12:23:20 am
Trump fondly remembers the days when marchers and protesters were attacked with dogs, water cannons and tear gas.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/geronl/trumpmarch_zpszozthixc.jpg)
REAL TRUMP QUOTE

And this is why his "black outreach" moment will not work.

"Vote for me... what do you have to lose?"

African-American voters say... "See above!"
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Fishrrman on August 24, 2016, 01:03:44 am
Honest John wrote:
"And this is why his "black outreach" moment will not work.
"Vote for me... what do you have to lose?"
African-American voters say... "See above!""


If that's the case, why even bother trying to get any more of "the black vote"...?

There's no point.
There's no approach that will or can work.

Might as well just "write blacks off" to the democrats and try to ignore them.

BTW, this is essentially what I've been posting here for a good long while now.
I think two successive obama victories have created a "black monolith vote" that's not going away any time soon.

I would like to be proven wrong.
But I ain't gonna be holdin' my breath on this one.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: geronl on August 24, 2016, 01:26:00 am

If that's the case, why even bother trying to get any more of "the black vote"...?

There's no point.
There's no approach that will or can work.


Apparently he is going to go for the envious-of-the-pimp vote.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqleod3WIAEuFmy.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 24, 2016, 03:43:59 pm
Honest John wrote:
"And this is why his "black outreach" moment will not work.
"Vote for me... what do you have to lose?"
African-American voters say... "See above!""


If that's the case, why even bother trying to get any more of "the black vote"...?

There's no point.
There's no approach that will or can work.

Might as well just "write blacks off" to the democrats and try to ignore them.

BTW, this is essentially what I've been posting here for a good long while now.
I think two successive obama victories have created a "black monolith vote" that's not going away any time soon.

I would like to be proven wrong.
But I ain't gonna be holdin' my breath on this one.
Or we could try to appeal to all with a message of freedom and liberty.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: sneakypete on August 24, 2016, 04:04:30 pm
What the hay?

@Idaho_Cowboy

Photo was most likely from eastern Europe. I guess it has changed some now,but you wouldn't believe all the stuff you would see strapped to the Russian "Lada" cars (Russian Fiats) back in the 90's. Not very many Russians had cars,and almost all the ones that did had the Lada because it was the cheapest one. It was the party officials that had the Mercedes and BMW's.

Not many Russian's had trucks,either. The only ones I ever saw were former military trucks.

So they would strap whatever they needed to haul to their Lada's,and go tooling down the road.

And you ain't seen nothing until you have seen Russian dirt track racing in the 90's. I suspect their equipment and regulations have improved a bunch since then,but right after the fall of communism they went big for car racing,but  the translation for "dirt track racing" seemed to have gotten garbled in the translation. It ended up being stock Lada 4 drs with the windows rolled down,no roll bars or other safety equipment,racing on a motocross track,complete with jumps and Ivan sitting behind the wheel with a cheap white motorcycle helmet on,wearing a tshirt and with his arm resting on the open window sill.

American rednecks with their "Somebody hold mah beer,and yall watch this crap!" attitude would be in awe of the redneck Ivan. Damndest thing I ever saw. Since nobody there had tow trucks or trailers,I think the cars were even driven to the races.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: sneakypete on August 24, 2016, 04:18:41 pm
Honest John wrote:
"And this is why his "black outreach" moment will not work.
"Vote for me... what do you have to lose?"
African-American voters say... "See above!""


If that's the case, why even bother trying to get any more of "the black vote"...?

There's no point.
There's no approach that will or can work.

Might as well just "write blacks off" to the democrats and try to ignore them.

BTW, this is essentially what I've been posting here for a good long while now.
I think two successive obama victories have created a "black monolith vote" that's not going away any time soon.

I would like to be proven wrong.
But I ain't gonna be holdin' my breath on this one.

@Fishrrman

You don't get it. Whites are the past,and it is whites that are being written off by our political masters because they see a non-white future,and want to keep THEIR places at the public trough.

Karma WILL bite you in the ass though,and once the non-whites take control over the political system,those white Dims that have made a career out of pandering will be in the soup lines with the rest of us.

Providing we are allowed to live,that is.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: sneakypete on August 24, 2016, 04:22:19 pm
Or we could try to appeal to all with a message of freedom and liberty.

@Idaho_Cowboy

You DO understand that "freedom and liberty" means you are responsible for feeding,clothing,housing,and all the other expenses involved in taking care of yourself and your family,right?

What makes you think that people raised to believe they don't need to provide for themselves because the goobermint owes then and is obligated to take care of them are going to buy into providing for themselves?

All of American is going to look like South Africa or Rhodesia 20-30 years from now,or a degraded modern day Detroit/St.Louis,with war lords running things.

Chances are the Western Europe will be in the same boat,too. I suspect eastern Europe,specifically Russia will be the only safe place for whites to live.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 24, 2016, 04:42:27 pm
@Idaho_Cowboy

Photo was most likely from eastern Europe. I guess it has changed some now,but you wouldn't believe all the stuff you would see strapped to the Russian "Lada" cars (Russian Fiats) back in the 90's. Not very many Russians had cars,and almost all the ones that did had the Lada because it was the cheapest one. It was the party officials that had the Mercedes and BMW's.

Not many Russian's had trucks,either. The only ones I ever saw were former military trucks.

So they would strap whatever they needed to haul to their Lada's,and go tooling down the road.

And you ain't seen nothing until you have seen Russian dirt track racing in the 90's. I suspect their equipment and regulations have improved a bunch since then,but right after the fall of communism they went big for car racing,but  the translation for "dirt track racing" seemed to have gotten garbled in the translation. It ended up being stock Lada 4 drs with the windows rolled down,no roll bars or other safety equipment,racing on a motocross track,complete with jumps and Ivan sitting behind the wheel with a cheap white motorcycle helmet on,wearing a tshirt and with his arm resting on the open window sill.

American rednecks with their "Somebody hold mah beer,and yall watch this crap!" attitude would be in awe of the redneck Ivan. Damndest thing I ever saw. Since nobody there had tow trucks or trailers,I think the cars were even driven to the races.
Thanks, I knew there had to be an interesting back story somewhere.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 24, 2016, 04:48:00 pm
@Idaho_Cowboy

You DO understand that "freedom and liberty" means you are responsible for feeding,clothing,housing,and all the other expenses involved in taking care of yourself and your family,right?

What makes you think that people raised to believe they don't need to provide for themselves because the goobermint owes then and is obligated to take care of them are going to buy into providing for themselves?

All of American is going to look like South Africa or Rhodesia 20-30 years from now,or a degraded modern day Detroit/St.Louis,with war lords running things.

Chances are the Western Europe will be in the same boat,too. I suspect eastern Europe,specifically Russia will be the only safe place for whites to live.
I'm  a hopeless optimist who still thinks man kind yearns for freedom and that none are so unhappy as those whose means of living lies in the outstretched hand of another.

I think a true teaching of American history would go a long ways towards that end, but that may never happen in our schools again.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: mirraflake on August 24, 2016, 05:05:28 pm
I'm  a hopeless optimist who still thinks man kind yearns for freedom and that none are so unhappy as those whose means of living lies in the outstretched hand of another.

I think a true teaching of American history would go a long ways towards that end, but that may never happen in our schools again.

What is not mentioned anywhere is the the majority of young muslims all over the world want more Western freedom and less theocratic rule. Iran has had 2 failed revolutions in the past 5-6 years all led by young people yearning for Western style freedoms.

The 10% who are radicals make all the news.

My uncle going over to Europe in WWII truly thought the world was ending and the US would be taken over by Germany.

Things change.

@Idaho_Cowboy


Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: The_Reader_David on August 24, 2016, 07:23:05 pm
Great, yet another reason to be #NeverTrump, as if son-of-Hawley-Smoot trade policy, the threat to default on the national debt, weaponizing libel law to shield politicians from criticism, and the scam that was "Trump University" weren't enough.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: geronl on August 24, 2016, 08:24:01 pm
Next on TrumpTV
 (a subsidiary of Soros-Establishment Inc)

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"In Trumpland, you are guilty aforehand, that's once for each MPH over the limit... one, two...!"

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Trumpire Royal Police

Whatcha gonna do... whatcha gonna do when we stomp on you?!.... All suspects are considered guilty as accused by the men and women of Trump Law Enforcement!
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: sneakypete on August 24, 2016, 09:19:49 pm
I'm  a hopeless optimist who still thinks man kind yearns for freedom and that none are so unhappy as those whose means of living lies in the outstretched hand of another.

@Idaho_Cowboy

Nobody will ever yearn for something they have never had and don't understand. What they yearn for is "more of the same". In this case,it means a larger welfare state with them getting more for doing less.

I think a true teaching of American history would go a long ways towards that end, but that may never happen in our schools again.

You're right. It wasn't even being taught when I was going to school in the 50's and the lies COULD have been challenged. Now the lies are accepted as gospel,and nothing is going to change them.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: mountaineer on August 24, 2016, 09:57:58 pm
I'm no Trump fan, but am tired of headlines that don't match the content of the story.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: HonestJohn on August 24, 2016, 10:09:42 pm
Or we could try to appeal to all with a message of freedom and liberty.

This.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Fishrrman on August 25, 2016, 12:52:40 am
sneakyPete wrote:
"All of American is going to look like South Africa or Rhodesia 20-30 years from now,or a degraded modern day Detroit/St.Louis,with war lords running things.
Chances are the Western Europe will be in the same boat,too. I suspect eastern Europe,specifically Russia will be the only safe place for whites to live."


Sadly, I believe you are correct in your predictions.
Include in your list of safe places Australia and New Zealand, if both those nations wake up in time.

This future IS NOT the fault of the migrants surging into America, Canada, and Western Europe.

It IS clearly the fault of the Euros and Euro-Americans, who have abandonded:
1. Their faith (Christian faith)
2. Their belief in their own goodness and rightness in a hostile world
3. Their faith in their own future, as evidenced by a low birthrate
4. Their faith that "Western" values are superior to all others, with no regrets in that belief.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves"
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: DCPatriot on August 25, 2016, 01:05:48 am
I'm no Trump fan, but am tired of headlines that don't match the content of the story.

It's all they've got.

I'll bet money that if indeed that's an exact quote for March, 2016, the previous days had a violence committed by protestors on his supporters.

I'm sure he meant that if you commit theft or assault while protesting, you should get a billy club to your skull.

Teach these MFers some respect.

Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 25, 2016, 04:53:37 am
OK, on this one I agree with Trump - and I think at least 14 or 15 of the other former 17 candidates which would weigh in with the same conclusion.

We have had this debate before here on TBR, long before the election season and Trump had a chance to weigh in on it, and I am one that was and still is for allowing police and sheriff departments access to whatever they need - within reason.  I need look no further than the North Hollywood shootout an armed confrontation between two heavily armed and armored bank robbers and officers of the lightly armed LAPD.    "militarization" is a scary word they keep throwing into this story and it is an over dramatization. 

I also understand that there is a certain percentage of Libertarian-leaning conservatives who have a huge mistrust in police and the powers given them to enforce the law. I'm not going to win the argument with them here and I'm not going to try. Just giving my humble opinion on the matter. 
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 25, 2016, 05:44:18 am
What the hay?
Looks like he baled out on another straw poll.
Title: Re: Trump backs militarization of police agencies.
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on August 25, 2016, 03:52:54 pm
It's all they've got.

I'll bet money that if indeed that's an exact quote for March, 2016, the previous days had a violence committed by protestors on his supporters.

I'm sure he meant that if you commit theft or assault while protesting, you should get a billy club to your skull.

Teach these MFers some respect.

Trump, he never says what he means.