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Third shot may be needed to combat new coronavirus variants, Bill Gates says
By Caitlin Yilek
February 17, 2021 / 7:06 AM / CBS News
A third dose of coronavirus vaccine may be needed to prevent serious cases of new variants of the disease, Bill Gates said Tuesday. The billionaire philanthropist's comments come amid to the growing concern that current vaccines are less effective against the South African and Brazilian variants.
"The discussion now is do we just need to get a super high coverage of the current vaccine, or do we need a third dose that's just the same, or do we need a modified vaccine?" Gates told "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell.
"All five of the companies that have U.S. vaccines are looking at making that modification and adding that in so that people who've already had two shots might need to get a third shot," he said. "I think it's reasonably likely that we will have a tuned vaccine just to make absolutely sure that as these variants hit the U.S. that they're not escaping from vaccine protection."
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/?__twitter_impression=true#app (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/?__twitter_impression=true#app)
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I'll consider believing that when I hear it from someone who actually knows something about immunology and vaccines. This is just MSM Panic Porn fodder.
All five of the companies that have U.S. vaccines ...
I know what companies Gates refers to, but that phrasing is almost Bidenesque. Currently: two vaccines have received EUA, not five; a third company has applied for EUA, still not five; a fourth company is likely to apply for EUA in the next few days or weeks, still not five; a fifth company, AstraZeneca, looks unlikely to apply for EUA, so that fifth "U.S. vaccine" looks to be many months in the future (Inovio, currently Phase II? Vaxart, currently Phase I?). Like Melinda, Bill's mouth demonstrates how little he knows about what he advocates.
In the real world there is already evidence that Pfizer's, Moderna's, Johnson & Johnson's, and Novavax's vaccines are effective against the UK and South African variants. Similarly, there is also evidence that AstraZeneca's is ineffective against the South African variant. So Oxford University and AZ probably are investigating ways to broaden the vaccine's effectiveness. But AZ/Oxford are not Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax.
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That should increase profits by 50%.
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I'll consider believing that when I hear it from someone who actually knows something about immunology and vaccines.
Gates is as much an expert in immunology as was German horticulturalist Heinrich Himmler an expert in human genetics.
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That should increase profits by 50%.
I don't know about other countries' purchase contracts, but US purchase contracts were written many months ago, conditional on vaccines receiving Emergency Use Authorization (which only Pfizer's and Moderna's currently have), and at a fixed price. The initial 100M dose purchases were part of the contracts, and 100M dose options - from P and M - were exercised at the same fixed price before the end of 2020. Johnson & Johnson is likely to receive EUA in a couple weeks, and they have a similar conditional 100M dose fixed price contract; ditto Novavax.
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Nope. I don't trust the first two. I sure as heck wouldn't get a third.
Gates is too involved in this; no way I can trust these vaccines.
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The sumbitch has yet to stop a virus since he founded micro shoft.
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Nope. I don't trust the first two. I sure as heck wouldn't get a third.
Gates is too involved in this; no way I can trust these vaccines.
Bill Gates has had approximately zero to do with the Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax vaccines. However deserved Gates' bogeyman status, that claim is false.
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Bill Gates has had approximately zero to do with the Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax vaccines. However deserved Gates' bogeyman status, that claim is false.
You're entitled to your opinion. I believe he is an evil man.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
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The sumbitch has yet to stop a virus since he founded micro shoft.
HA! That's a bare FACT, right there. :beer:
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Which shot contains the tracking chip? :silly:
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You're entitled to your opinion. I believe he is an evil man.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
@libertybele, try understanding my post before "responding". My only fact claim was that Bill Gates had approximately zero to do with the Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax vaccines. I based that statement on months of following the progress of those vaccines.
The DTP vaccine is totally dissimilar from the Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax vaccines, and a decades-ago WHO project is similarly irrelevant. WHO also has had approximately zero to do with the Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Novavax vaccines, other than, possibly, purchasing some.
I did not comment on whether or not Bill Gates is evil.
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Which shot contains the tracking chip? :silly:
The same one that reprograms DNA, makes men and women infertile, and makes vaccinated men gay.
Did I miss any currently circulating anti-vax conspiracy theories?
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This is unfair of Gates, assuming SeeBS did not lie about his saying it. I only have two middle fingers to give to him.
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The same one that reprograms DNA, makes men and women infertile, and makes vaccinated men gay.
Did I miss any currently circulating anti-vax conspiracy theories?
That's not fair. Everyone knows....
those guys were already gay.
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The sumbitch has yet to stop a virus since he founded micro shoft.
Good one. :silly:
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And Gates's opinion on this matter is important... why, again? He's not in any position where he gets to decide this stuff.
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And Gates's opinion on this matter is important... why, again? He's not in any position where he gets to decide this stuff.
You really don't think one of the world's richest leftists has a say?
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You really don't think one of the world's richest leftists has a say?
Eat your Fake Burger and submit ..... :cool:
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Eat your Fake Burger and submit ..... :cool:
:happyhappy:
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Eat your Fake Burger and submit ..... :cool:
Not sure if a three-finger or a middle-finger salute would be the more appropriate response to Gates' ignorant pronouncements.
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The sumbitch has yet to stop a virus since he founded micro shoft.
Yep ... he be a sumbitch ... 888high58888
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Which shot contains the tracking chip? :silly:
It isn't a chip. But for your edification, from Scientific American: Invisible Ink Could Reveal whether Kids Have Been Vaccinated
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-could-reveal-whether-kids-have-been-vaccinated/)
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Eat your Fake Burger and submit ..... :cool:
Fake burger, because the lab controls what is in it, and real red meat is a source of Zinc...
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Would I be misunderstood if I said it makes no difference to me if Gates gets shot two or three times? :whistle:
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??? Really confusing. I heard today that only one shot would be needed now because the vaccines are 85% effective.
Which is it? Do we need one? Two? Three? It doesn't stop the spread, but it keeps people from getting COVID. True or false?
This is nothing more than controlling the masses.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218)
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??? Really confusing. I heard today that only one shot would be needed now because the vaccines are 85% effective.
Which is it? Do we need one? Two? Three? It doesn't stop the spread, but it keeps people from getting COVID. True or false?
This is nothing more than controlling the masses.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218)
We need memes with Fauci with a dozen syringes in his arm.
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We need memes with Fauci with a dozen syringes in his arm.
Lots you can do with a bobble head happy77
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1423/4758/products/Dr.FauciRedTieBobbleheadProductPictureFinal_e0557b35-acd5-4422-a4d9-b37e7a085f73_grande.png?v=1597358953)
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Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has been involved with vaccines and health issues across the world for many years. They are constructing a building in every third world country for health care and vaccines. They have given billions to the World Health Organization and other programs.
Now, you can write nasty things about Bill and Melinda and accuse me of loving them because I wrote this. What I did some months ago, was find out what they do. These are facts - like them or not.
The link below explains all their programs.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ (https://www.gatesfoundation.org/)
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Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has been involved with vaccines and health issues across the world for many years. They are constructing a building in every third world country for health care and vaccines. They have given billions to the World Health Organization and other programs.
Now, you can write nasty things about Bill and Melinda and accuse me of loving them because I wrote this. What I did some months ago, was find out what they do. These are facts - like them or not.
The link below explains all their programs.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ (https://www.gatesfoundation.org/)
@Victoria33 -- I'm not going to accuse you of anything, but there are articles contrary to the supposed good that the Gates Foundation does.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/ (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms)
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??? Really confusing. I heard today that only one shot would be needed now because the vaccines are 85% effective.
Which is it? Do we need one? Two? Three? It doesn't stop the spread, but it keeps people from getting COVID. True or false?
This is nothing more than controlling the masses.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-one-dose-israel.html)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218)
It hasn't been thoroughly tested but apparently a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine may be almost as effective as two (85% vs. 94%). I would not be surprised if Moderna's vaccine yielded similar effectiveness %s. Vaccines are not like a switch, instantly on after the second dose but totally off until then. Similarly, immunity - by vaccine or by recovery - is not like a switch, shutting down viruses the instant the virus invades. Apparently the immunity from having recovered can vary some with how severe the person's case was (much as with chicken pox).
Gates is just a $$ bag with a predilection for speaking from ignorance, this being a case.
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Thomas Farnan
@tfarnanlaw
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So Dr. Fauci was taking pandemic advice from the guy who got marriage advice from Jeffrey Epstein. Sounds about right.
8:32 AM · May 17, 2021Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci talk regularly — here's what they're discussing now
Published Thu, Feb 11 2021 12:25 PM EST
Updated Thu, Feb 11 2021 12:26 PM EST
Cory Stieg
Dr. Anthony Fauci and billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates talk regularly these days, and as you would imagine, they mostly talk about ending the pandemic.
More specifically, right now, "we're talking a lot about these variants and what that will do," Gates, whose Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has committed $1.75 billion to the fight against Covid-19, told Frances Stead Sellers during a Washington Post Live Special Wednesday. There are multiple Covid variants, emerging from the United Kingdom, South Africa and Brazil, which spread more easily and quickly. ...
With that in mind, Gates said that he and Fauci are currently discussing whether "we need to create a new variant of the vaccine." Gates' foundation is funding trials in Brazil and South Africa that will produce more definitive data about whether or not a new vaccine is needed, he said. That data will be available later this month, he said. ...
Full story at CNBC (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/11/bill-gates-and-dr-anthony-fauci-talk-regularly-about-covid-pandemic.html)
What an odd troika. I wonder if Fauci also was part of Epstein's entourage. Jeff, of course, didn't hang himself, but he's not here to weigh in on the virus, alas.
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So Gates is ignorant of the fact that the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Novavax vaccines are all known to be effective against known variants? On the up-side, I guess Gates' ignorance disproves the Gates-Covid-Vaccine conspiracy theory, :silly: .
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So Gates is ignorant of the fact that the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Novavax vaccines are all known to be effective against known variants? On the up-side, I guess Gates' ignorance disproves the Gates-Covid-Vaccine conspiracy theory, :silly: .
He's in the middle of a divorce. Probably needs the money... :shrug:
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Including the India variant, https://brief19.com/2021/05/17/brief/both-pfizerbiontech-and-moderna-vaccines-remain-active-against-india-variants .
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I admit, I didn't read the story, only the headline ... Bill Gates says. That's enough for me. To me he's simply an evil person with more money than he knows what to do with.
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I admit, I didn't read the story, only the headline ... Bill Gates says. That's enough for me. To me he's simply an evil person with more money than he knows what to do with.
Bill Gates has had approximately zero to do with any vaccine approved or being tested for use in the US.
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Screw that. I still haven't fully recovered from the shot I had 4.5 days ago.
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PRES. BIDEN: "Those who are not vaccinated will end up paying the price."
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PRES. BIDEN: "Those who are not vaccinated will end up paying the price."
Is President-applesauce-for-brains threatening us now?
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Is President-applesauce-for-brains threatening us now?
Sounds like it could be a threat.
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Sounds like it could be a threat.
That's how I took it. Makes me not want to get a vaccine.
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Is President-applesauce-for-brains threatening us now?
That's how I took it. They're pushing!
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I'm not getting another shot..took me almost 3days to get over the 2nd shot...
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I'm not getting another shot..took me almost 3days to get over the 2nd shot...
I don't blame you one bit. It'll be interesting to see how many people go for the 3rd shot and the reactions.
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CDC continues to report that less than 6% of reported Covid deaths were from Covid alone. The remaining 95% had on average 4 other co-morbidity conditions. Over 50% were attributed to flu or pneumonia.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm
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@mystery-ak
I just got my second Covid-19 vaccination today,and the pharmacist told me "There,you are good now for another 8 months before you will need another one."
WTF??????
I thought this was good for Covid-19,period?
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@mystery-ak
I just got my second Covid-19 vaccination today,and the pharmacist told me "There,you are good now for another 8 months before you will need another one."
WTF??????
I thought this was good for Covid-19,period?
Think of it as a service contract.
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Think of it as a service contract.
@Hoodat
I can easily envision a future where we are going to need a new one each month to continue living,and we just pay China directly.
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@Hoodat
I can easily envision a future where we are going to need a new one each month to continue living,and we just pay China directly.
‘…the fabulously beautiful planet Beta-selamin is now so worries about the cumulative erosion by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete whilst on the planet is surgically removed from your body weight when you leave: so every time you go to the lavatory it is vitally important to get a receipt.'
--Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
We're getting to be like Beta-selamin.
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Think of it as a service contract.
The new Extended car warrantee. Robo calls will be coming.
"Hello, your covid vaccination protection period will soon be expiring. Don't leave yourself open for deadly outcomes or expensive hospital stays. Sign up for your 3rd jab now...before it is too late."
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The new Extended car warrantee. Robo calls will be coming.
"Hello, your covid vaccination protection period will soon be expiring. Don't leave yourself open for deadly outcomes or expensive hospital stays. Sign up for your 3rd jab now...before it is too late."
Followed by another robo call on funeral arrangements.
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@mystery-ak
I just got my second Covid-19 vaccination today,and the pharmacist told me "There,you are good now for another 8 months before you will need another one."
WTF??????
I thought this was good for Covid-19,period?
Like the flu, pneumonia shot.
Even a lot of the childhood vaccinations are recommended to get boosters if you travel to places likely to be exposed. I've had most of those like the MMR three times.
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Like the flu, pneumonia shot.
Even a lot of the childhood vaccinations are recommended to get boosters if you travel to places likely to be exposed. I've had most of those like the MMR three times.
@thackney
Ok,thanks. Looks like I misunderstood what he was saying.
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@thackney
Ok,thanks. Looks like I misunderstood what he was saying.
Nah. He's getting a divorce. He "needs" the money...
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The new Extended car warrantee. Robo calls will be coming.
"Hello, your covid vaccination protection period will soon be expiring. Don't leave yourself open for deadly outcomes or expensive hospital stays. Sign up for your 3rd jab now...before it is too late."
"Planning that long awaited trip to the Islands this summer? Better get that third shot first. Otherwise it'll be Burney Falls again this year"
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@mystery-ak
I just got my second Covid-19 vaccination today,and the pharmacist told me "There,you are good now for another 8 months before you will need another one."
WTF??????
I thought this was good for Covid-19,period?
Because Covid is still relatively new, busy medical people are not always up to date on what's known. The political biases of the MSM meant that news perceived as "good for Trump" was buried or suppressed. For example, our primary care physician learned of the Eli Lilly and Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatments from my wife and I.
Because Covid is still relatively new, only a handful of people received one of the vaccines more than a 9 or 10 months ago. So that 8 months is how long we currently know vaccine-produced antibodies persist, though the antibodies may actually persist in meaningful concentrations for a couple of years or more, and recipients' immune systems also have T-cells that "know" how to produce antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, so even after the concentration of antibodies declines they can be replenished.
The bottom line, @sneakypete, is that you're good to go for at least a couple of years to come, and probably longer than that. Pharmacists and doctors just can't say that with certainty because of the limits of Covid knowledge in general and their own lesser knowledge.
One of the weird consequences of Operation Warp Speed's success is that we're still not very high up the learning curve about the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
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Because Covid is still relatively new, busy medical people are not always up to date on what's known. The political biases of the MSM meant that news perceived as "good for Trump" was buried or suppressed. For example, our primary care physician learned of the Eli Lilly and Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatments from my wife and I.
Because Covid is still relatively new, only a handful of people received one of the vaccines more than a 9 or 10 months ago. So that 8 months is how long we currently know vaccine-produced antibodies persist, though the antibodies may actually persist in meaningful concentrations for a couple of years or more, and recipients' immune systems also have T-cells that "know" how to produce antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, so even after the concentration of antibodies declines they can be replenished.
The bottom line, @sneakypete, is that you're good to go for at least a couple of years to come, and probably longer than that. Pharmacists and doctors just can't say that with certainty because of the limits of Covid knowledge in general and their own lesser knowledge.
One of the weird consequences of Operation Warp Speed's success is that we're still not very high up the learning curve about the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
On the other hand, the Chinese are well up the curve on learning how to make SARS2-COVID-19 a more efficient infectious agent.
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"Planning that long awaited trip to the Islands this summer? Better get that third shot first. Otherwise it'll be Burney Falls again this year"
Been to Kauai, don't surf or snorkel so I'm okay if I never go to the islands again, nothing in Europe pulls at me except Hungary but not enough unless I need to get and use my Hungarian citizenship(though I have had more thoughts of applying for) which I pray God America never falls so low. So I think that leaves me with plenty of America to see right here on the continent.
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Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
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Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
@rustynail, what do you understand to be the significance of that study?
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@rustynail, what do you understand to be the significance of that study?
I was hoping you might know. Maybe the spikes are not where they are supposed to be?
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I was hoping you might know. Maybe the spikes are not where they are supposed to be?
mRNA-1273 is Moderna's Covid vaccine, though Pfizer's works similarly, and though J&J's does so by different means, it accomplishes the same thing. All three cause recipients' cells to produce a protein that is on the surface of a SARS-CoV-2 virus' spike (not spikes). The recipients' immune systems sense the presence of the foreign protein ("antigen") and produce antibodies against that antigen. When a SARS-CoV-2 virus gets into a vaccinated person, those antibodies attack the spikes, rendering the virus unable to penetrate cells and therefore unable to reproduce.
The study verified that the Moderna vaccine performed the first stage of that process as designed and that the recipients' immune system reacted by producing antibodies that cleared the recipients of the foreign protein.
The Moderna vaccine resulted in production of the antigen within a day or two of the first dose. The Pfizer vaccine uses the same mRNA technology, so it's likely that a similar study of Pfizer recipients would find similar results.