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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: truth_seeker on July 16, 2019, 01:09:03 am
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Scott Adams: Trump’s “Go Back†Tweet
As usual, Scott Adams gives a very astute analysis, particularly when compared with biased media, and bonehead forum insults.
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Excellent @truth_seeker .... Thanks for posting this.
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From the video:
"President Trump always operates on the energy level .... this one tweet generated an enormous amount of energy and drove the focus to the one place the democrats do not want to focus....when they finish talking about the tweet out of context every democrat running for President will be asked "do you back Pelosi or do you back the squad"? .... Pelosi, too will be asked if she backs the squad"
"Trump is literally two moves ahead. Move one, he loses with the tweet, it looks bad. Move two, Republicans are embarrassed and distance themselves, so he loses with Republican support. Move three, there is a bigger rip in the Democrats as a result of this controversy. He has branded the Democrats with this unpopular wing of the party, and they're going to have to work this out. That is the endgame. After sacrificing two pieces, he will leave the Democrats critically wounded."
"The democrats will have to answer the question which team are you on? It's a lose/lose situation"
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At some point grab a cup of coffee or adult beverage and listen. It is fascinating.
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Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
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“There’s no way you can get the Dems to endorse Antifa, Al Qaeda, and Venezuela all in the same weekâ€
Trump: Hold my covfefe
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FWIW just a few days back Adams listed people able to see the world as he does;
Trump, Mike Cernovich, Jack Prosobeic, Joe Rogan to name a few.
It is not a boastful claim; rather a recognition about seeing things as they really are, and grasping how to impact them.
IMO Trump doesn't tackle the "squad" topic with a careful stepwise plan. It is gut instinct.
He understands that ordinary working Americans mostly dislike these foreigner ladies, that show disdain for the country.
So nothing like getting it done today.
"Hold my covfefe"
Next.
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Sdams' live Periscope is usually at 7 AM Pacific. But Periscope can be replayed, delayed. And then they are posted to Youtube.
I started listening, when Trump won, and it was revealed that Adams had predicted it a year before, with reasons, on the record.
I thought, it would be interesting to hear from somebody that did that. His main perspective is "persuasion" He is trained in hypnosis, too.
He recently predicted that with no major changes, Trump wins again in 2020.
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@truth_seeker
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TTTT
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Here is the non-cartoonist take
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From this morning's WSJ:
Mr. Trump doesn't seem to understand that Democrats want the 2020 election to be about his words and behavior, rather than the results of his economic policies. They'll lose a debate over results, but they'll win if the election is a referendum on character.
Democrats want Mr. Trump to sound as if he's the one who believes half the country is a "basket of deplorables", to quote the line the line that so damaged Hillary Clinton in 2016. They want an atmosphere of chaos and national division so voters who are up for grabs will be so tired after four years that they'll gamble on a Democrat even if they worry about the candidate's policies.
And that's the truth, folks. What his sycophants claim to be three-dimensional chess is actually bonehead stupidity. Trump keeps playing the part the Dems so desperately need.
Perhaps this latest tweetstorm will buck up the courage of thinking conservatives that it's not too late to change course. The future remains unwritten, and I am not even going to think about who I will vote for in 2020. It is only July of 2019, and there is plenty of time to do what the Dems fear we can and must do - convince the President to, like LBJ, not seek another term.
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From this morning's WSJ:
And that's the truth, folks. What his sycophants claim to be three-dimensional chess is actually bonehead stupidity. Trump keeps playing the part the Dems so desperately need.
Perhaps this latest tweetstorm will buck up the courage of thinking conservatives that it's not too late to change course. The future remains unwritten, and I am not even going to think about who I will vote for in 2020. It is only July of 2019, and there is plenty of time to do what the Dems fear we can and must do - convince the President to, like LBJ, not seek another term.
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Stop kissing the man's arse, RIV. The WSJ is right - Trump took the spectacle of Dem self-immolation and knocked it right off of the news cycle with his idiot tweets.
As for politically stupid, Mr. Trump rescued Democrats from an intra-party feud that had been escalating for days. A smart opponent would have kept quiet and let it continue. But Mr. Trump intruded into the spotlight and let Democrats unite in denouncing him.
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I usually agree with your postings Jazz, but I'm going to disagree on this topic. While I don't think this was a deeply thought out chess move, I do think Trump's instincts on this are correct. He's drawing this into a Trump vs AOC and crew argument...making it a big part of "framing" the election. As someone mentioned above, its likely he's just acting on gut instinct but his political instincts are generally spot on.
What this means in the end is that the Dem candidate will be attached politically to AOC and the Fab Four group...and that is a sure loser in a national election. The very point that Trump's comments "force Dems to unite" is precisely what the President needs to happen...the Dem party is being forced to declare itself united and attached to its extreme Left wing. That is where Trump wants the election to be fought...him vs the FAR Left.
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FWIW just a few days back Adams listed people able to see the world as he does;
Trump, Mike Cernovich, Jack Prosobeic, Joe Rogan to name a few.
It is not a boastful claim; rather a recognition about seeing things as they really are, and grasping how to impact them.
IMO Trump doesn't tackle the "squad" topic with a careful stepwise plan. It is gut instinct.
He understands that ordinary working Americans mostly dislike these foreigner ladies, that show disdain for the country.
So nothing like getting it done today.
"Hold my covfefe"
Next.
I think you're right.
I believe the majority of us want to support our country not destroy it and turn it into some third world hellhole.
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I usually agree with your postings Jazz, but I'm going to disagree on this topic. While I don't think this was a deeply thought out chess move, I do think Trump's instincts on this are correct. He's drawing this into a Trump vs AOC and crew argument...making it a big part of "framing" the election. As someone mentioned above, its likely he's just acting on gut instinct but his political instincts are generally spot on.
What this means in the end is that the Dem candidate will be attached politically to AOC and the Fab Four group...and that is a sure loser in a national election. The very point that Trump's comments "force Dems to unite" is precisely what the President needs to happen...the Dem party is being forced to declare itself united and attached to its extreme Left wing. That is where Trump wants the election to be fought...him vs the FAR Left.
I doubt anyone who knows who "the squad" is will change there vote because of them. Most people are ignorant and all they see is Trump attacking minority women.
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It's amazing how Trump tweeting out something the Progressives threaten to do all the time (especially in 2016) because of Republican policies has caused their heads to explode.
Progressives - If (insert Republican) is elected I'm leaving this God awful racist fascist country!
Trump - If you hate this country leave
Progressives - RACIST!!!!!
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It's amazing how Trump tweeting out something the Progressives threaten to do all the time (especially in 2016) because of Republican policies has caused their heads to explode.
Progressives - If (insert Republican) is elected I'm leaving this God awful racist fascist country!
Trump - If you hate this country leave
Progressives - RACIST!!!!!
That would be a good point if Trump had been tweeting about Hollyweird.
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Stop kissing the man's arse, RIV. The WSJ is right - Trump took the spectacle of Dem self-immolation and knocked it right off of the news cycle with his idiot tweets.
Stop being so willfully blind @Jazzhead The WSJ is wrong.
With one tweet the President has knocked the democrat candidates off the front page and taken control of the democrat caucus forcing them to hitch their star to the Four Horsewomen of the Apocalypse. One tweet and the President erased any possibility that Pelosi would tie the Democrat Party to the more moderate, better lying, side of the democrat-socialist aisle.
Timing is everything--and the President's skill in this arena is intuitive.
The President loses nothing … his base stays with him and independents are nodding in agreement with him.
But, the battle lines for 2020 have been drawn …. by Donald Trump.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the democrats fully realize what has just happened to them.
Jazz---no one ever said what fighting and defeating the democrat-socialists would look like. Well, now we know. :patriot:
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the democrats fully realize what has just happened to them.
Jazz---no one ever said what fighting and defeating the democrat-socialists would look like. Well, now we know. :patriot:
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And that's the truth, folks. What his sycophants claim to be three-dimensional chess is actually bonehead stupidity. Trump keeps playing the part the Dems so desperately need.
Perhaps this latest tweetstorm will buck up the courage of thinking conservatives that it's not too late to change course. The future remains unwritten, and I am not even going to think about who I will vote for in 2020. It is only July of 2019, and there is plenty of time to do what the Dems fear we can and must do - convince the President to, like LBJ, not seek another term.
There is no other Republican on the national stage who can win a general election in this country, which is why Trump will face little to no opposition in the primary.
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From this morning's WSJ:
And that's the truth, folks. What his sycophants claim to be three-dimensional chess is actually bonehead stupidity. Trump keeps playing the part the Dems so desperately need.
So says the biggest suporter here of "President John Kasich"
next up, ex-Governor Mark Sanford, the backwoods hiker guy. Question: How many weak Republicans can be fit, on a pinhead? (or head of a pin, if you prefer)
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There is no other Republican on the national stage who can win a general election in this country, which is why Trump will face little to no opposition in the primary.
Sure there is. But no one, it appears, with the courage to stand up and tell Trump to step down.
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@Jazzhead
From this morning's WSJ:
Mr. Trump doesn't seem to understand that Democrats want the 2020 election to be about his words and behavior, rather than the results of his economic policies. They'll lose a debate over results, but they'll win if the election is a referendum on character.
I agree with your general point -- we'd be much better off if the election wasn't about Trump's words and behavior, and was about the economy. If Trump wasn't who he is to some extent.
But I think that toothpaste was squeezed out of the tube back in 2016...2017 at the latest. At this point, even if Trump was a paragon of virtue and decorum from now through the election, the Dems already have their messaging and a rather endless series of ads they're going to run attacking him as morally unfit. That's not going to change, and they're not going to let up on that for one second between now and next November. And realistically...he's not going to do that anyway. The guy is who he is.
So given that, he's got to have some of that non-economic issue ammo to fire back their way. And apparently, the Dems internal polling show that AOC et al poll terribly in much of the country. So the more he can make the 2020 race about the dangers of the radical Democrats, in addition to his economic achievements, the better shot he'll have.
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Sure there is. But no one, it appears, with the courage to stand up and tell Trump to step down.
I strongly suspect there are some who have the courage to stand up and tell Trump to sit down. But they also have the brains to know he won't listen, and that the vast majority of Republicans will resent them for validating publicly Democrat criticisms of him.
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There is no other Republican on the national stage who can win a general election in this country, which is why Trump will face little to no opposition in the primary.
Actually, I think the problem is that there is no other Republican on the national stage who has a hope in hell of winning a primary against Trump, and that's why he is going to face little or no opposition in the primary. Nobody wants to jump on a grenade when nobody is going to be saved by that sacrifice.
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@Jazzhead
And apparently, the Dems internal polling show that AOC et al poll terribly in much of the country. So the more he can make the 2020 race about the dangers of the radical Democrats, in addition to his economic achievements, the better shot he'll have.
I agree 100%. I just don't agree that Trump's Archie Bunker tweets are productive to that end. Rather, I think they further reinforce the Dem narrative that he's an irredeemable racist. That is, they keep the focus OFF of the booming economy/Dem radicalism and squarely ON the narrative of Trump-as-toxic.
I'll say it again: Just because the media is eager to portray Trump as a racist doesn't mean that Trump should be doubling down with statements that make him look like a racist.
Lindsay Graham: "Aim higher!"
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Actually, I think the problem is that there is no other Republican on the national stage who has a hope in hell of winning a primary against Trump, and that's why he is going to face little or no opposition in the primary. Nobody wants to jump on a grenade when nobody is going to be saved by that sacrifice.
That's why I advocate pressure being brought to bear for Trump to step down as the 2020 nominee, before the primary season begins. There is nothing that would frustrate the Dems more, because without the Trump punching bag, they've got nothing.
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That's why I advocate pressure being brought to bear for Trump to step down as the 2020 nominee, before the primary season begins. There is nothing that would frustrate the Dems more, because without the Trump punching bag, they've got nothing.
Okay, if we could magically flip a switch and have Nikki Haley be our 2020 nominee, great. While we're at it, we could just ask Trump to grow to the size of a Titan, wade on over to North Korea, and pluck out their nukes and missiles with a wave of his mighty meat hooks.
But I think both are equally unlikely. I mean, didn't you acknowledge many months back that there was basically zero chance of him quitting on his own, or of any other Republican beating him? Given your criticisms of Trump, I really can't imagine that you see him as someone who would truly be willing to walk away just because some in the GOP asked him to. If anything, the louder the calls on him to resign, the more likely he is to flip everyone the proverbial bird. That's pretty much the core of who he is.
If there's one thing the election of 2016 accomplished, it was to convince Trump to not believe the polls, and that there really is a mass of Americans who may lie to the pollsters, but will come out for him on Election Day.
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It is going to be interesting, to be sure.
The Democrats will say Trump is too immoral to win re-election, while they themselves actively seek out and help people to break the law and commit fraud?
Is Trump more or less immoral than single-sex bathrooms and 9th month abortions?
This is going to be interesting to see them try to sell this.
If that is truly the democratic plan of attack, my prediction is a Trump win as large as Reagan over Mondale.
Throw in if the economic news is still good news come November 2020, that will play a huge role.
They've already abandon going after the economy, so it seems.
They are countering with "free stuff" so far.
Trump perfect?
No.
Democrats hold the moral high ground?
No.
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The President loses nothing … his base stays with him and independents are nodding in agreement with him.
But, but he doesn't please Usual Suspect Briefers, that state they didn't vote for him, and won't vote for
him, because he is too direct, in speech and tweet.
The trouble with too many #nevertrump Briefers, is they thrive on and buy into the media and dem points of view.
Their track record is: wrong before the electionwrong on the election, and wrong since the election at almost eery turn.
Why in the hell place value in opinions, of people that aare usually wrong?
Why not placce value on people that are usually correct?
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That's why I advocate pressure being brought to bear for Trump to step down as the 2020 nominee, before the primary season begins. There is nothing that would frustrate the Dems more, because without the Trump punching bag, they've got nothing.
Any nominee, other than Trump would get crushed like a bug.
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Judging by results this far, I believe Trump's tweet is successfull beyond expectations.
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Judging by results this far, I believe Trump's tweet is successfull beyond expectations.
shocking *****rollingeyes*****
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But, but he doesn't please Usual Suspect Briefers, that state they didn't vote for him, and won't vote for
him, because he is too direct, in speech and tweet.
The trouble with too many #nevertrump Briefers, is they thrive on and buy into the media and dem points of view.
Their track record is: wrong before the electionwrong on the election, and wrong since the election at almost eery turn.
Why in the hell place value in opinions, of people that aare usually wrong?
Why not placce value on people that are usually correct?
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There he goes again.
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shocking *****rollingeyes*****
Be shocked again: Let it bring the "John Dean" out in you, if you like.
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There he goes again.
Rock on, @truth_seeker !
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Nobody wants to jump on a grenade when nobody is going to be saved by that sacrifice.
What? @Maj. Bill Martin
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Be shocked again: Let it bring the "John Dean" out in you, if you like.
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Nixon's suck does not make Trump's suck, suck less. What is your point?
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If, after tomorrow's Trump rally, the lines drawn in the 2020 sand are ---
1. Capitalism versus the democrats,
2. American sovereignty versus the democrats,
3. American belief in our unique and righteous greatness, righting wrongs along our way versus the democrats, and
4. American loyalty to and respect for country versus the democrats.
--- Who'd you rather be: Pelosi or Trump?
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Sure there is. But no one, it appears, with the courage to stand up and tell Trump to step down.
@Jazzhead you keep saying this but in reality there is no one. Why would someone come forward from the GOP and tell Trump to step down?? IF indeed they truly think they can do better or have a better solution to what ails us, but they don't have the courage to come forward and do so, then really they're not worth squat.
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Yesterday is tomorrows today ~ had some of you Trumpers not gave up so easily on the Real Conservative in the primary, to go off chasing squirrels, all of us wouldn't be left in the uncomfortable position of whether it's Trump or a dem? OF Couse it's Trump.
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Yesterday is tomorrows today ~ had some of you Trumpers not gave up so easily on the Real Conservative in the primary, to go off chasing squirrels, all of us wouldn't be left in the uncomfortable position of whether it's Trump or a dem? OF Couse it's Trump.
:amen: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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There is nothing that would frustrate the Dems more, because without the Trump punching bag, they've got nothing.
Without Trump @Jazzhead neither do you.
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Yesterday is tomorrows today ~ had some of you Trumpers not gave up so easily on the Real Conservative in the primary, to go off chasing squirrels, all of us wouldn't be left in the uncomfortable position of whether it's Trump or a dem? OF Couse it's Trump.
Had we followed your strategy, the incumbent in 2020 would be Hillary.
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But, but he doesn't please Usual Suspect Briefers, that state they didn't vote for him, and won't vote for
him, because he is too direct, in speech and tweet.
The trouble with too many #nevertrump Briefers, is they thrive on and buy into the media and dem points of view.
I'm beginning to realize the trouble with many nevertrump folks --- everywhere --- is they're terrible afraid @truth_seeker The memory of yesterday when Republicans remained "above the fray" makes taking the fight to the political enemy terrifying for them. All around them the battles are messy and loud and relentless. One wonders what they wouldn't give for some quiet.
I pity them for the fear overwhelming them; but am convinced they will accept the fruits of our hard fought victories. happy77
Such are the times in which we are fortunate enough to live, my friend.
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I'm beginning to realize the trouble with many nevertrump folks --- everywhere --- is they're terrible afraid @truth_seeker The memory of yesterday when Republicans remained "above the fray" makes taking the fight to the political enemy terrifying for them. All around them the battles are messy and loud and relentless. One wonders what they wouldn't give for some quiet.
I pity them for the fear overwhelming them; but am convinced they will accept the fruits of our hard fought victories. happy77
Such are the times in which we are fortunate enough to live, my friend.
Victories? Please. Trump just tucked tail on the census citizenship question and meekly agreed to a permanent injunction. If that’s the measure of victory, I’d hate to see the measure of defeat.
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Victories? Please. Trump just tucked tail on the census citizenship question and meekly agreed to a permanent injunction. If that’s the measure of victory, I’d hate to see the measure of defeat.
I don't really know your posting history ..... I've bumped into you a few times, but nothing stands out. So, I don't know if you are aware of what actually transpired and is transpiring regarding the citizenship question. If you're unaware, sorry .... but I don't want to bring you up to speed here and change the topic of the thread. Send a PM to me if you're interested.
If you *are* aware of the realities, and still chose to post the comment you did, then further discussion would be a waste of my time. And my time is precious.
Best to you. :beer:
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I don't really know your posting history ..... I've bumped into you a few times, but nothing stands out. So, I don't know if you are aware of what actually transpired and is transpiring regarding the citizenship question. If you're unaware, sorry .... but I don't want to bring you up to speed here and change the topic of the thread. Send a PM to me if you're interested.
If you *are* aware of the realities, and still chose to post the comment you did, then further discussion would be a waste of my time. And my time is precious.
Best to you. :beer:
He tucked tail. Meekly. That is exactly what happened.
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I'm beginning to realize the trouble with many nevertrump folks --- everywhere --- is they're terrible afraid @truth_seeker The memory of yesterday when Republicans remained "above the fray" makes taking the fight to the political enemy terrifying for them. All around them the battles are messy and loud and relentless. One wonders what they wouldn't give for some quiet.
Nah, @Right_in_Virginia ... No fear at all. Just amazement and profound disappointment in y'all that you would trade our heritage founded in principles for a clown that does nothing more than bluster and poke his finger in people's eyes.
Y'all aren't 'bringing it'. If you were, more conservatives - you know, real ones - would be getting put in place, and a coalition would be getting built that would be capable of actually changing laws. If you were, the halmarks of conservatism - federalism and fiscal austerity - would be fully engaged, cutting the money out from under this federal behemoth, and laws would be being enacted repealing federal obastcles to state sovereignty. You know, real laws providing real and lasting change.
This self-gratifying glee over sophomoric antics and drama does not invoke fear, but rather, proper disgust. And that's all it does. Sooner or later, the bill will come due.
Have a nice day.
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Major Bill (whose posts I nearly always admire and pay attention to) wrote:
"Okay, if we could magically flip a switch and have Nikki Haley be our 2020 nominee, great."
Cough! Choke! Gargle!
Stop right there!
Nikki Haley?
Major, put down the evenin' drink.
That woman is just another RINO, and you'd better hope that she never becomes your commander-in-chief !
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Nah, @Right_in_Virginia ... No fear at all. Just amazement and profound disappointment in y'all that you would trade our heritage founded in principles for a clown that does nothing more than bluster and poke his finger in people's eyes.
Y'all aren't 'bringing it'. If you were, more conservatives - you know, real ones - would be getting put in place, and a coalition would be getting built that would be capable of actually changing laws. If you were, the halmarks of conservatism - federalism and fiscal austerity - would be fully engaged, cutting the money out from under this federal behemoth, and laws would be being enacted repealing federal obastcles to state sovereignty. You know, real laws providing real and lasting change.
This self-gratifying glee over sophomoric antics and drama does not invoke fear, but rather, proper disgust. And that's all it does. Sooner or later, the bill will come due.
Have a nice day.
I think you're stuck @roamer_1 You can't allow yourself to see the conservative advancements made under this President, not only in policy but also in the reawakening of individualism and faith and family and country. You can't allow it because the leader does not match your expectations of what he would look like, walk like, sound like and act like, so you look at Donald Trump and see a "clown". I look at Donald Trump and see the right man for these times.
You fail to see that what worked yesterday for conservatism does not work today; not because the principles are wrong, but because the conservative political strategy is old and worn and futile against a political enemy that has grown bolder under the security blankets of a blatantly politicized media and judiciary. This is what prevents you from entering a coalition with "Trumpers". You want to try the same thing over again even though it has failed for a generation. Someone once called this "insanity".
What you call "bluster" I call our voice breaking through the barriers surrounding us on all sides. What you call "poking a finger in the public's eyes" I call wrestling control from the media franchise that drenches this country in lies. And I am far from alone in this thinking.
The fight for this nation's soul is not unfolding as you have always expected. It is far more messy, and wild, and noisy and unrelenting. It's not happening at roundtable discussions punctuated with rings of smoke from a well used tobacco pipe. Those days are over. For now. Sorry, but it's true, so don't malign the messenger.
But the fight is happening. We're smack in the middle of it. And we are winning; whether or not it matches your expectation of what the battle and its leader would look like --- we are winning.
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I think you're stuck @roamer_1 You can't allow yourself to see the conservative advancements made under this President, not only in policy but also in the reawakening of individualism and faith and family and country. You can't allow it because the leader does not match your expectations of what he would look like, walk like, sound like and act like, so you look at Donald Trump and see a "clown". I look at Donald Trump and see the right man for these times.
You fail to see that what worked yesterday for conservatism does not work today; not because the principles are wrong, but because the conservative political strategy is old and worn and futile against a political enemy that has grown bolder under the security blankets of a blatantly politicized media and judiciary. This is what prevents you from entering a coalition with "Trumpers". You want to try the same thing over again even though it has failed for a generation. Someone once called this "insanity".
What you call "bluster" I call our voice breaking through the barriers surrounding us on all sides. What you call "poking a finger in the public's eyes" I call wrestling control from the media franchise that drenches this country in lies. And I am far from alone in this thinking.
The fight for this nation's soul is not unfolding as you have always expected. It is far more messy, and wild, and noisy and unrelenting. It's not happening at roundtable discussions punctuated with rings of smoke from a well used tobacco pipe. Those days are over. For now. Sorry, but it's true, so don't malign the messenger.
But the fight is happening. We're smack in the middle of it. And we are winning; whether or not it matches your expectation of what the battle and its leader would look like --- we are winning.
Awesome! Nice line of reasoning. You still rocking it, girl! 888high58888
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You can't allow yourself to see the conservative advancements made under this President, not only in policy but also in the reawakening of individualism and faith and family and country.
And you can't allow yourself to see that $2 trillion deficits are destroying the country, that catch and release of illegals has gotten much worse, and that trade deficits have increased because of tariffs.
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I think you're stuck @roamer_1 You can't allow yourself to see the conservative advancements made under this President, not only in policy but also in the reawakening of individualism and faith and family and country. You can't allow it because the leader does not match your expectations of what he would look like, walk like, sound like and act like, so you look at Donald Trump and see a "clown". I look at Donald Trump and see the right man for these times.
You fail to see that what worked yesterday for conservatism does not work today; not because the principles are wrong, but because the conservative political strategy is old and worn and futile against a political enemy that has grown bolder under the security blankets of a blatantly politicized media and judiciary. This is what prevents you from entering a coalition with "Trumpers". You want to try the same thing over again even though it has failed for a generation. Someone once called this "insanity".
What you call "bluster" I call our voice breaking through the barriers surrounding us on all sides. What you call "poking a finger in the public's eyes" I call wrestling control from the media franchise that drenches this country in lies. And I am far from alone in this thinking.
The fight for this nation's soul is not unfolding as you have always expected. It is far more messy, and wild, and noisy and unrelenting. It's not happening at roundtable discussions punctuated with rings of smoke from a well used tobacco pipe. Those days are over. For now. Sorry, but it's true, so don't malign the messenger.
But the fight is happening. We're smack in the middle of it. And we are winning; whether or not it matches your expectation of what the battle and its leader would look like --- we are winning.
Spectacular post, @Right_in_Virginia !! LOVE IT!!
You're a Briefing Room treasure.
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And you can't allow yourself to see that $2 trillion deficits are destroying the country, that catch and release of illegals has gotten much worse, and that trade deficits have increased because of tariffs.
China is experiencing its worst economy in 28 years, due to the tariffs imposed by this President. North Korea and Iran are devastated too!
Furthermore, these deficits are NEVER going to be repaid... NEVER!!
Therefore, $19T or $22T....doesn't mean a GD thing when you're trying to win a battle to maintain and protect our Constitution and Republic.
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***suicide***
Oh...don't be so depressed @corbe
You're a 'treasure' too.
....Fool's gold.
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I think you're stuck @roamer_1 You can't allow yourself to see the conservative advancements made under this President, not only in policy [...]
@Right_in_Virginia
What conservative advancements? There are none that won't be gone the minute his heel crosses the white house threshold. Please DO elaborate, because I see absolutely nothing, except a corporate tax cut... A cut, unfortunately not accompanied by reigned-in spending, which can only mean printing even more money by the trillions.
That is not Conservative.
[...] but also in the reawakening of individualism and faith and family and country.
Oh baloney. Plastic banana feel-good nonsense. Likely what y'all are focused in on though - because there is nothing else.
You can't allow it because the leader does not match your expectations of what he would look like, walk like, sound like and act like, so you look at Donald Trump and see a "clown". I look at Donald Trump and see the right man for these times.
No, I can't allow it because it isn't there. What is needed in a leader is a coalition builder... what is needed is a ground game from the bottom up to install conservatives that will do the right thing. Conservatives, not Republicans entering into office with that leader's help and blessing. What is needed is to overthrow the moderates.
That ain't happening.
PSST: Your emperor is butt-nekkid. You are living in a fantasy.
You fail to see that what worked yesterday for conservatism does not work today; not because the principles are wrong, but because the conservative political strategy is old and worn and futile against a political enemy that has grown bolder under the security blankets of a blatantly politicized media and judiciary. This is what prevents you from entering a coalition with "Trumpers". You want to try the same thing over again even though it has failed for a generation. Someone once called this "insanity".
No, what I see is y'all aligned with the actual problem - the moderate wing of the Republicans - not the democrats. Y'all are so busy throwin poo at democrats and the media, that you fail to see what you've left at the handles of Republican power - The very same Republicans that have foiled conservative advance, and have been in control since just after the 94 Congress vacated.
It is Y'ALL that are doing the same old thing... and carrying water for moderate Republicans... THAT is the first reason why I have no inclination toward a coalition with Trumpers. What your coalition is is mere Republican-ism led by the moderate wing, and a NYC liberal. As I have said before, not a single conservative principle is being defended. Not a one... Proven, as I said up-thread. And all the while, corporate cronyism is rebranded as capitalism, and trillions upon trillions feed the beast - All with the cheering of your crowd, all too happy to catch candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. And calling it conservatism. woohoo.
Liberalism is not winning by it merits. It has no merits.
It is winning because it has no opposition.
Including y'all.
Why the heck would a conservative ever join that?
What you call "bluster" I call our voice breaking through the barriers surrounding us on all sides. What you call "poking a finger in the public's eyes" I call wrestling control from the media franchise that drenches this country in lies. And I am far from alone in this thinking.
Nonsense. The media was lying long before the Tump movement came along, and it will be lying long after you're gone. You are wresting control from no one.
And I never said, btw, 'poking a finger in the public's eye'.
The fight for this nation's soul is not unfolding as you have always expected. It is far more messy, and wild, and noisy and unrelenting.
No, it is not unfolding at all. And you ain't half as wild, messy, or noisy as the Tea Party was, and without any of the gains. It is a waste of time that we don't have.
It's not happening at roundtable discussions punctuated with rings of smoke from a well used tobacco pipe. Those days are over. For now. Sorry, but it's true, so don't malign the messenger.
You really think I give a crap about round tables and pipe smoke. ROTFLMAO!!! You've got to be kidding me.
But the fight is happening. We're smack in the middle of it. And we are winning; whether or not it matches your expectation of what the battle and its leader would look like --- we are winning.
Winning WHAT? The point is the Principles of Conservatism... which have not gained an inch. Tell me - what has been won? What do we get to keep?
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Is Trump a Conservative?
I don't know.
I do know that he's what we need right now.
I also think that most Americans agree with his "go back tweet".
I am a "Hispanic" immigrant and a former Never-Trumper", and I stand with Trump.
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Is Trump a Conservative?
I don't know.
I do know that he's what we need right now.
I also think that most Americans agree with his "go back tweet".
I am a "Hispanic" immigrant and a former Never-Trumper", and I stand with Trump.
:thumbsup:
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Luis wrote:
"I am a "Hispanic" immigrant and a former Never-Trumper", and I stand with Trump."
Well, that's a statement that's bold and reflective at once.
Thanks for taking things into consideration and coming around in your viewpoint.
Some others 'round here ought to give thought to doing the same.
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Predictably, there will be no introspection or nay-saying from the Trumpets.
Sun-Tzu was an opinionated moron, the WSJ doesn't know what it's talking about;
and on and on and on; yet why so???
Because Trump has become a quasi-religious icon to his followers, in their mind, shedding
light where there was darkness, protecting us from evil while ensuring peace and prosperity.
He can do no wrong so his behavior, impulses and sentiments don't matter.
In many ways he's become our Mullah, ranting and raving from the Minaret.
Yet every performance ends at some point. Wonder if his fans have grasped this????
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Is Trump a Conservative?
I don't know.
I do know that he's what we need right now.
I also think that most Americans agree with his "go back tweet".
I am a "Hispanic" immigrant and a former Never-Trumper", and I stand with Trump.
My wife's late uncle was an Italian immigrant, who first lived in Baja, Venezuela and Cuba while waiting for a legal way to enter the US. He was a truly proud American citizen.
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Predictably, there will be no introspection or nay-saying from the Trumpets.
Sun-Tzu was an opinionated moron, the WSJ doesn't know what it's talking about;
and on and on and on; yet why so???
Because Trump has become a quasi-religious icon to his followers, in their mind, shedding
light where there was darkness, protecting us from evil while ensuring peace and prosperity.
He can do no wrong so his behavior, impulses and sentiments don't matter.
In many ways he's become our Mullah, ranting and raving from the Minaret.
Yet every performance ends at some point. Wonder if his fans have grasped this????
Trump, compared to who?
Hillary?
Weak Republican that can't win a primary?
3rd party kook?
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The yip-yap about Principled Conservatism is beyond embarrassing.
It is a body of unchanging rules of order that form the basis for human
conduct and are derived from the Natural Law.
These Principles are some 10,000 years old and have absolutely nothing
to do w/economics, politics or religion. N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The yip-yap about Principled Conservatism is beyond embarrassing.
It is a body of unchanging rules of order that form the basis for human
conduct and are derived from the Natural Law.
These Principles are some 10,000 years old and have absolutely nothing
to do w/economics, politics or religion. N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kindly post a copy or llink of agreed "Natural Laws."
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My wife's late uncle was an Italian immigrant, who first lived in Baja, Venezuela and Cuba while waiting for a legal way to enter the US. He was a truly proud American citizen.
Same here. My uncle emigrated from Italy by way of Venezuela. He worked as a top notch auto mechanic in Venezuela and after several years he finally gained entry to the US and joined his fiancée in New York where they were finally married.
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Thank you for the kind words @DCPatriot @aligncare happy77
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Thanks for the reply @roamer_1 But having figured out what's driving your opposition, I concede I do not have the power to influence a change in your opinion. You simply are not ready. Hopefully we can reengage on this debate in the future.
Enjoy your day.
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Without Trump @Jazzhead neither do you.
You miss the point, @Right_in_Virginia . I'm not one of those who objects to Trump's policy directions. Indeed, I want to see those directions continue, and not replaced by their polar opposite - unbridled socialism. Unfortunately, I am convinced that Trump has burned so many bridges and frustrated so many people that he will not only be defeated but bring down the GOP Senate as well. And that could mean the demise of the Republic as we know it.
Trump may have been the right voice and catalyst for change in 2016, but in 2020 he will be the Democrats' savior. It is unprecedented that a peacetime President presiding over a booming economy could generate such intense hatred. We have to recognize the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be. Trump is not going to be re-elected, and the damage to what we hold dear will be incalculable. You will dismiss what I write, and claim I am motivated by fear. Well, fear of socialism, open borders and race hatred does motivate me, and it ought to concern you too. When the Democrats and Donald Trump want this election to be about the same thing - a referendum on a very flawed man - you ought to be concerned too.
Trump always approached his Presidential run as a branding opportunity. He never thought he'd win, and to his credit he's thrown himself into the job with a passion to try his best to keep his word to the folks who voted for him. That, of course, is the key to his popularity with his base, but he's clung to that base like a baby to his mama's teat. He's never tried to appeal beyond his faction, and that failure is going to catch up with him. He needs to declare that as a citizen-politician he has achieved what he set out to do and pass the baton to a successor who can save his legacy and save the nation from the specter of Kamala Harris or Bernie Sanders.
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Nah, @Right_in_Virginia ... No fear at all. Just amazement and profound disappointment in y'all that you would trade our heritage founded in principles for a clown that does nothing more than bluster and poke his finger in people's eyes.
Y'all aren't 'bringing it'. If you were, more conservatives - you know, real ones - would be getting put in place, and a coalition would be getting built that would be capable of actually changing laws. If you were, the halmarks of conservatism - federalism and fiscal austerity - would be fully engaged, cutting the money out from under this federal behemoth, and laws would be being enacted repealing federal obastcles to state sovereignty. You know, real laws providing real and lasting change.
This self-gratifying glee over sophomoric antics and drama does not invoke fear, but rather, proper disgust. And that's all it does. Sooner or later, the bill will come due.
Have a nice day.
QFT
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You miss the point, @Right_in_Virginia . I'm not one of those who objects to Trump's policy directions. Indeed, I want to see those directions continue, and not replaced by their polar opposite - unbridled socialism. Unfortunately, I am convinced that Trump has burned so many bridges and frustrated so many people that he will not only be defeated but bring down the GOP Senate as well.
I got your point @Jazzhead I simply do not agree with it.
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I didn't expect you would, @Right_in_Virginia . But it needs to be said. Trump's tribal mentality has upped the tribalism on the Dem side as well, and the Dem tribe now includes socialists and proponents of open borders, which were never mainstream Dem positions before. The shockwave represented by Trump's victory in 2016 will be met with a true seismic disaster in 2020 as the Dems' irrational hatred for Trump and motivation to oust him will open the door to extremism.
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Thank you for the kind words @DCPatriot @aligncare happy77
@aligncare
@DCPatriot
Scott Adams is a god, and @Right_in_Virginia is a goddess!!
wink777
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@Jazzhead
Serious comment and suggestion:
After reading your dozens (hundreds?) of posts regarding your discomfort and concern about Trump 2020, I think that you should consider taking the time to draft out a well written letter to Trump expressing all of your concerns and desires, and use every avenue available to you to get it in front of him.
Otherwise your message will never get anywhere close to his desk.... I doubt that anyone reading this forum has any ties to Trump's inner circle.
Consider the effort your contribution to the nation, to the GOP, and to all that could make things right in the world!!
:patriot:
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Absalom mused:
"In many ways he's become our Mullah, ranting and raving from the Minaret.
Yet every performance ends at some point. Wonder if his fans have grasped this????"
Nah, more like a latter-day Howard Beale with real power, for a change.
But you remember how that "performance" ended...
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And you can't allow yourself to see that $2 trillion deficits are destroying the country, that catch and release of illegals has gotten much worse, and that trade deficits have increased because of tariffs.
China is experiencing its worst economy in 28 years, due to the tariffs imposed by this President. North Korea and Iran are devastated too!
The term "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. I really don't give a damn about screwing over America just to hurt North Korea or China. Their own policies are already doing a good enough job of doing that. Same for Iran. None of those justifies $5+ trillion in new debt, higher trade deficits, or releasing more illegals inside the US.
Furthermore, these deficits are NEVER going to be repaid... NEVER!!
Famous last words of the Weimar Republik. Sounds like something a Democrat/Socialist/Communist would say. I didn't realize you were one of those Mugabe/Maduro types who thinks that it is OK to pay for everything with fresh-printed money to infinitude. Never mind that every new dollar steals value from every single American. It is essentially a tax that Congress never voted for, reducing the standard of living for all Americans. It is what Obama did for eight years in a row. And now we find you supporting what Obama did. So that begs the question, why in the hell are you even here posting on a Conservative board since it is clear you support current Venezuela monetary policy? Seriously.
Therefore, $19T or $22T....doesn't mean a GD thing when you're trying to win a battle to maintain and protect our Constitution and Republic.
The growing debt is going to destroy our republic - not save it. It is the single biggest threat to the future of our country. And it is currently increasing at the fastest pace in US history.
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What? @Maj. Bill Martin
The point of my metaphor -- which apparently was not as clever as I'd intended -- is that no NT Republican wants to oppose Trump in the primary, suffer all the slings and arrows sure to come his/her way, when there is zero chance they would be successful. They'd be sacrificing their future in the party to accomplish absolutely nothing.
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Trump's tribal mentality has upped the tribalism on the Dem side as well, and the Dem tribe now includes socialists and proponents of open borders, which were never mainstream Dem positions before.
Again, I don't think you've made a convincing case that Trump caused the tribalism on the Democrat side, or the mounting radicalism. I think it was already there, and had been accelerating since Obama staked out positions to Hillary's left in 2007-2008. In fact, you might have the causation backwards, in that the increasing Democrat radicalism during the Obama years is what prompted so many Republicans to support the more confrontation approach of Trump in 2016.
Occupy Wall Street was a pre-Trump movement that would have been condemned by most Democrats 20 years ago. Instead, it was either crickets or active support. Opposition to gay marriage went from being the position of both Obama and Clinton in 2008, to being a flat disqualifier on the Democrat side. Again, pre-Trump. Obama went from saying in 2010 that he had a Constitution obligation to enforce immigration laws, to doing a 180 in 2014 and implementing DACA and DAPA. Pre-Trump. And Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, made his mark by attacking perceived moderates in the Democrat party, not by going after Trump. Sanders shocking rise had nothing to do with Trump (who was just one of many GOP candidates at the time), and everything to do with radicals already in the Democrat party, or young people gravitating towards his ideas.
@Jazzhead
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The point of my metaphor -- which apparently was not as clever as I'd intended -- is that no NT Republican wants to oppose Trump in the primary, suffer all the slings and arrows sure to come his/her way, when there is zero chance they would be successful. They'd be sacrificing their future in the party to accomplish absolutely nothing.
goopo
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China is experiencing its worst economy in 28 years, due to the tariffs imposed by this President. North Korea and Iran are devastated too!
Furthermore, these deficits are NEVER going to be repaid... NEVER!!
Therefore, $19T or $22T....doesn't mean a GD thing when you're trying to win a battle to maintain and protect our Constitution and Republic.
@DCPatriot
Can't help but wonder if we "NEVER!!" repay these debts, will there be a country worth saving, that by your account, which requires deficit spending to do so?
Remember the old newsreel footage of pre-world war two Germans pushing wheelbarrows full of cash down the avenue, which was needed, just to buy a loaf of bread?
I don't see why we cannot to do both; cut government down to its proper size and save the Republic.
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I don't see why we cannot to do both; cut government down to its proper size and save the Republic.
Cutting government down to its proper size WILL save the Republic.
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@aligncare
@DCPatriot
Scott Adams is a god, and @Right_in_Virginia is a goddess!!
wink777
That's "Empress" @EdJames … "Empress" 88devil
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@DCPatriot
I don't see why we cannot to do both; cut government down to its proper size and save the Republic.
@GrouchoTex
We can do it...it's just a matter of politicians..and in some cases people wanting to do it.
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Cutting government down to its proper size WILL save the Republic.
That's a fact.
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@GrouchoTex
We can do it...it's just a matter of politicians..and in some cases people wanting to do it.
People in general want smaller government, but they don't want it to impact their pet programs.
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People in general want smaller government, but they don't want it to impact their pet programs.
In a system where the people's representative's jobs depend upon them bringing money home to their districts there can be no other outcome.
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People in general want smaller government, but they don't want it to impact their pet programs.
My pet program happens to be getting the federal government the hell out of my life. How much extra do you think that will cost?
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People in general want smaller government, but they don't want it to impact their pet programs.
Somewhere around 1/3 it's current size would be about right if you ask me.
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People in general want smaller government, but they don't want it to impact their pet programs.
Yes there is that too
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Thanks for the reply @roamer_1 But having figured out what's driving your opposition, I concede I do not have the power to influence a change in your opinion. You simply are not ready. Hopefully we can reengage on this debate in the future.
Enjoy your day.
No, @Right_in_Virginia , you do not. Nor will you ever. Nor will I ever be 'ready'.
Not because of Tumpy the Clown. Not because of the fetid stench that is the Republican party.
But because of the principle things I stand upon.
They are solid and true, and do not move.
And therefore, neither do I.
You see, it cannot be me who is walking away. I have been right here, all the way along, stubborn and unyielding, some might say, but right here all the same. Considering the vast difference between mine and yours, which is entirely inconsolable, You might ponder how that distance came to be... When I have not moved a solitary inch.
If y'all ever do come to your senses, you'll know where I am.
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I hereby nominate @roamer_1 as President of 'our' little obstinate club, do I hear a second?
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I hereby nominate @roamer_1 as President of 'our' little obstinate club, do I hear a second?
Second!
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I hereby nominate @roamer_1 as President of 'our' little obstinate club, do I hear a second?
@corbe
9999what
Oh heck no! That'd mean... paperwork :terror:
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I hereby nominate @roamer_1 as President of 'our' little obstinate club, do I hear a second?
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I hereby nominate @roamer_1 as President of 'our' little obstinate club, do I hear a second?
@roamer_1 is a g-d, @corbe is a goddess!!
wink777
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@roamer_1 is a g-d, @corbe is a goddess!!
wink777
Holdonnow... I appreciate the fun,
But let's not go there...
YHWH is God.
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QFT
Your moral superiority complex makes your ass look big.
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Cutting government down to its proper size WILL save the Republic.
It will save it from financial ruin, to be sure.
It would also open up an entrepreneurial spirit like never before.
We've already seen during the Trump administration what lower taxes and less regulation can do.
Now, if we can just reign in that spending, Katy bar the door!
Is it around 1/5 of the GDP required to run Government?
I don't know the number, off-hand, but I know its high.
Yes, less government would benefit all.
Name something outside of the military, that government can do better than the its own citizens can?
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@GrouchoTex
We can do it...it's just a matter of politicians..and in some cases people wanting to do it.
Sadly, the will to do so seems to be lacking.
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Holdonnow... I appreciate the fun,
But let's not go there...
YHWH is God.
Hence my very careful construction: "a g-d"
(I figured that that was the most non-offensive way of using it in the gag!)
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Hoodat wrote (in response to DCPatriot):
"Famous last words of the Weimar Republik. Sounds like something a Democrat/Socialist/Communist would say."
Nonsense, it's what a REALIST says.
Here it is, once more, for your enjoyment:
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
"The debt" will be repaid...
Just after the unsinkable ship has been perfected, along with the airplane that cannot fall from the sky.
Keep waitin', that day will come!
Hoodat also wrote:
"The growing debt is going to destroy our republic - not save it. It is the single biggest threat to the future of our country."
Get your priorities straight, man.
The biggest threat to the country is the flood of illegal immigrants rushing in to the south of you. Are you blind to that?
They will almost all vote for the democrat-communists who -- when they get full control again -- will try to move the nation into a socialist precursor of the all-out communist America that is coming.
How do you feel about my "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
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Get your priorities straight, man.
The biggest threat to the country is the flood of illegal immigrants rushing in to the south of you. Are you blind to that?
No, the biggest threat is the ones letting them come.
And don't think that the Republicans ain't complicit.
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Gov. Mike Huckabee
@GovMikeHuckabee
· 12h
Let’s review: @realDonaldTrump calls out UNNAMED members of Congress for hateful, anti-American & anti-semitic rantings. 4 members jump up & say “It was ME!†In the South we say, “When U throw a rock over a fence, the hit dog hollers.†So hoss, these 4 admitted they did it.
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Hoodat wrote (in response to DCPatriot):
"Famous last words of the Weimar Republik. Sounds like something a Democrat/Socialist/Communist would say."
Nonsense, it's what a REALIST says.
Here it is, once more, for your enjoyment:
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
"The debt" will be repaid...
Just after the unsinkable ship has been perfected, along with the airplane that cannot fall from the sky.
Keep waitin', that day will come!
Hoodat also wrote:
"The growing debt is going to destroy our republic - not save it. It is the single biggest threat to the future of our country."
Get your priorities straight, man.
The biggest threat to the country is the flood of illegal immigrants rushing in to the south of you. Are you blind to that?
They will almost all vote for the democrat-communists who -- when they get full control again -- will try to move the nation into a socialist precursor of the all-out communist America that is coming.
How do you feel about my "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
Enjoy the collapse, my friend.
You'll have earned it.
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Hence my very careful construction: "a g-d"
(I figured that that was the most non-offensive way of using it in the gag!)
Right... and I did notice...
But I had it to deny.
Its all good.
:beer:
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Again, I don't think you've made a convincing case that Trump caused the tribalism on the Democrat side, or the mounting radicalism. I think it was already there, and had been accelerating since Obama staked out positions to Hillary's left in 2007-2008. In fact, you might have the causation backwards, in that the increasing Democrat radicalism during the Obama years is what prompted so many Republicans to support the more confrontation approach of Trump in 2016.
Occupy Wall Street was a pre-Trump movement that would have been condemned by most Democrats 20 years ago. Instead, it was either crickets or active support. Opposition to gay marriage went from being the position of both Obama and Clinton in 2008, to being a flat disqualifier on the Democrat side. Again, pre-Trump. Obama went from saying in 2010 that he had a Constitution obligation to enforce immigration laws, to doing a 180 in 2014 and implementing DACA and DAPA. Pre-Trump. And Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, made his mark by attacking perceived moderates in the Democrat party, not by going after Trump. Sanders shocking rise had nothing to do with Trump (who was just one of many GOP candidates at the time), and everything to do with radicals already in the Democrat party, or young people gravitating towards his ideas.
@Maj. Bill Martin , you are of course correct that socialists and extremists constituted a portion of the Democratic party prior to Trump. What Trump has done has elevated such extremism in reaction to Trump's fierce embrace of identity politics. Indeed, that may be the single biggest difference between Trumpism and the Main Street conservatism practiced by the likes of Ronald Reagan - Trump believes, as the Dems long have, that everyone is defined by his or her race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Trump, like the Dems, practices the politics of tribalism, of us vs. them.
And what has this wrought? Well, the Dems have doubled down - just look at the evidence. If you support the enforcement of immigration laws, you're a racist. If you oppose the forced busing of schoolchildren, you're a racist. Hell, if you support asking a citizenship question on the census, you're a racist. The Dems believe that everyone who opposes them is the irredeemable enemy - and hence the search for compromise and common ground is not only fruitless, but a betrayal.
I don't oppose Trump because of his policies, which are in the main orthodox conservatism. I oppose his re-nomination because he and the Dems are engaged in a dangerous war of tribe vs. tribe that has the potential to allow the American people to make an historic mistake, and wake up next November to find they've elected a President and Congress with a mandate to enact extremism and permanently divide this nation into warring factions.
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Your moral superiority complex makes your ass look big.
I like big butts, and I can not lie...
Some people just have superior morality.
Jealous much?
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Reality about "Main Street" Reagan
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I like big butts, and I can not lie...
Some people just have superior morality.
Jealous much?
LOL! You should see the vacation fill-in girl that is doing the weather on our local FOX5 channel.
OMG....when she turns sideways in front of the 'blue screen' with her clicker....I swear you could set a wine glass on it. :laugh:
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Isn't liking Big Butts, even on women, an indication that you are from the Projects or gay or something? Enquiring minds want to know. :shrug:
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Hoodat wrote (in response to DCPatriot):
"Famous last words of the Weimar Republik. Sounds like something a Democrat/Socialist/Communist would say."
Nonsense, it's what a REALIST says.
A realist would say that printing up $2 Trillion in new money every year to cover it's failure to control spending will lead to financial ruin, just as it has done to every country throughout history that has employed this method. A realist would say that it is time to bring spending under control. A realist would say that it is time to stop budgeting to Democrats everything they want and more. A realist would say that we shouldn't be funding health care, food stamps, and housing for illegals. A realist would say that after cutting food stamp rolls, there should be money left over at the end of the fiscal year.
None of this is happening under Trump. Instead, we get a three year extension of Obama spending, plus a bunch of excuses from Trump sycophants on why we can't cut spending and how it is really OK to keep printing money ad infinitum just like Zimbabwe did.
"The debt" will be repaid...
Just after the unsinkable ship has been perfected, along with the airplane that cannot fall from the sky.
Keep waitin', that day will come!
Your premise is flawed. This ship is not unsinkable. And the debt will never be repaid when we keep adding to it every year. It has increased by $5 trillion since Trump took office. That's almost ¼ of our GDP. Balance the budget one year - the debt doesn't grow. Balance the budget for twenty years - the budget disappears. Unfortunately, we are going in the opposite direction. Sixty-two consecutive years of deficits.
Hoodat also wrote:
"The growing debt is going to destroy our republic - not save it. It is the single biggest threat to the future of our country."
Get your priorities straight, man.
The biggest threat to the country is the flood of illegal immigrants rushing in to the south of you. Are you blind to that?
Hoodat also wrote that
the number of illegals caught and then released into American society has increased substantially since Trump took office. The Administration continues to hand out free stuff to illegals as a never-ending magnet to attract more. And when it comes to something as simple as returning a citizenship question to the US Census survey, the Trump Administration folded.
Now what were you saying about priorities?
How do you feel about my "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
The key part missing there is the year where the major oil producers like Saudi Arabia decide they will no longer accept worthless US dollars for their oil but switch to another currency instead. When that happens, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.
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Kindly post a copy or llink of agreed "Natural Laws."
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Natural Law was birthed w/Mankind and uncovered through reason
revealing rules of morality and order necessary for culture/society
to survive and thrive.
It's wise men included Hammurabi, Plato, Ockham, Machiavelli, Burke
and in our time the likes of Babbitt, Eliot and Kirk.
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Bob Schneider - Capn Kirk (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
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FWIW just a few days back Adams listed people able to see the world as he does;
Trump, Mike Cernovich, Jack Prosobeic, Joe Rogan to name a few.
It’s really nice he identifies so well with a huckster fraud, conspiracy theorist, mastermind of the ‘Rape Melania’ campaign, and reality show host who encouraged people to eat bugs and pig rectum.
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@Maj. Bill Martin , you are of course correct that socialists and extremists constituted a portion of the Democratic party prior to Trump. What Trump has done has elevated such extremism in reaction to Trump's fierce embrace of identity politics.
Again, I think this is where our difference lies. I see Democrat extremism as not only existing prior to Trump, but accelerating prior to Trump. I truly believe they'd be in essentially the exact same place policy wise regardless of who was in the Oval Office.
Indeed, that may be the single biggest difference between Trumpism and the Main Street conservatism practiced by the likes of Ronald Reagan - Trump believes, as the Dems long have, that everyone is defined by his or her race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Trump, like the Dems, practices the politics of tribalism, of us vs. them.
I don't agree that Trump believes everyone is defined by their race, ethnicity, etc.. But I do agree that he is much more likely to play "tribal", us v. them politics. It's just that the "us" is those who believe in more or less traditional conservatism, and the "them" is the left. And he doesn't pull any punches when criticizing them. I also think he doesn't have the same sense of "treading lightly" that has sort of evolved in American politics on certain subjects.
For example, Bush was sometimes referred to as a "chimp" by some on the left. Trump has been called an orange baboon and orange orang-utan. Now, it Trump's mind, if it's fair to call him a monkey, then it would be equally fair to refer to another politician as a monkey -- even if they were black. He wouldn't care about the taboo/baggage that would come along with that. So that's why I think he steps in it so often. He really doesn't intend those things racially at all. He's just not willing to abide by taboos that don't make sense to him. So, he often offends.
And what has this wrought? Well, the Dems have doubled down - just look at the evidence. If you support the enforcement of immigration laws, you're a racist. If you oppose the forced busing of schoolchildren, you're a racist. Hell, if you support asking a citizenship question on the census, you're a racist. The Dems believe that everyone who opposes them is the irredeemable enemy - and hence the search for compromise and common ground is not only fruitless, but a betrayal.
See, I think they were making those exact same arguments before Trump. So, I think Trump has had very little -- if anything -- to do with the radicalization of the left. However, I do believe that Trump turns off some moderates, some of whom end up supporting by default Democrats they normally wouldn't support. So while he hasn't made the Democrats any more radical, he may have made it easier for some of the radicals to win general elections.
I oppose his re-nomination because he and the Dems are engaged in a dangerous war of tribe vs. tribe that has the potential to allow the American people to make an historic mistake, and wake up next November to find they've elected a President and Congress with a mandate to enact extremism and permanently divide this nation into warring factions.
Given that I think the Democrats have been doing that for a long time, I'd rather we start throwing stones back there way rather than just politely letting them continually push the envelope and win by attrition.
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See, I think they were making those exact same arguments before Trump. So, I think Trump has had very little -- if anything -- to do with the radicalization of the left. However, I do believe that Trump turns off some moderates, some of whom end up supporting by default Democrats they normally wouldn't support. So while he hasn't made the Democrats any more radical, he may have made it easier for some of the radicals to win general elections.
I could care less if the Dems are radicalized if they aren't winning elections. What scares me is when they are able to win elections as radicals. And that's where Trump comes into the equation. He is the Great Distraction that will compel folks to discount their concerns with Democrat policy proposals.
We don't disagree on the need to "fight back" against such radicalism. But I think we disagree on the extent to which Trump's style of fighting back has soiled the Republican and conservative brands. There is a smart way to fight back, and the idiotic way as shown by Trump's unnecessary resort to "racist" tropes to attack the Squad's radicalism.