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Federal authorities used unmarked minivans to remove Portland protesters from streets: Report
by Anthony Leonardi, Breaking News Reporter
| July 17, 2020 08:17 AM
Federal authorities reportedly used unmarked vans in Portland, Oregon to seize and stop protesters.
Since July 14, federal law enforcement have reportedly driven in unmarked vehicles in Portland, Oregon to arrest and remove protesters off the streets. The efforts are an escalation by federal authorities to prevent civil unrest.
“I see guys in camo,†said protester Conner O’Shea to OPB. “Four or five of them pop out, open the door and it was just like, ‘Oh shit. I don’t know who you are or what you want with us.’â€
O'Shea and his friend Mark Pettibone said they encountered a group of individuals Wednesday night who warned them agents were dressed in camouflage and detaining others into their vans.
“So that was terrifying to hear,†Pettibone said.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-authorities-used-unmarked-minivans-to-remove-portland-protesters-from-streets-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-authorities-used-unmarked-minivans-to-remove-portland-protesters-from-streets-report)
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The Anarchist Who Set a Seattle Police Precinct on Fire Has Been Arrested
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/07/16/doj-arrests-more-anarchistsarsonists-n2572560
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The Anarchist Who Set a Seattle Police Precinct on Fire Has Been Arrested
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/07/16/doj-arrests-more-anarchistsarsonists-n2572560
Just 5-20 years? That 's an outrage by itself.
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Just 5-20 years? That 's an outrage by itself.
Better than giving him a medal and a seat in government....
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Better than giving him a medal and a seat in government....
That'd be funny, if wasn't true.
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IMO this is a far better way to deal with the riots than sending in the 101st. No photo ops, no martyrs.
If this provokes media outrage imagine what would result from pictures of dead & injured protestors.
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IMO this is a far better way to deal with the riots than sending in the 101st. No media photo ops, no martyrs.
Even better would be stealthly relocating every one of these rioting perps to Gitmo.
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Even better would be stealthly relocating every one of these rioting perps to Gitmo.
Or relocating them from 30k feet somewhere between Florida and Cuba.
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Or relocating them from 30k feet somewhere between Florida and Cuba.
On an opened B-52, and blame it on turbulence? Works for me.
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IMO this is a far better way to deal with the riots than sending in the 101st. No photo ops, no martyrs.
If this provokes media outrage imagine what would result from pictures of dead & injured protestors.
Twitter rants explain why sending in the 101st would have been a bad idea:
You invaded an American city without invitation from the state's governor.
You detained, kidnapped, & dragged American citizens to gods know where w/out due process.
You have committed crimes sanctioned by Trump.
See? Imagine what the media optics would have veen with a 'live fire' exercise.
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IMO this is a far better way to deal with the riots than sending in the 101st. No photo ops, no martyrs.
If this provokes media outrage imagine what would result from pictures of dead & injured protestors.
The only downside is, it is unsatisfying for the folks demanding Trump send in the Army to break heads. They want a public show of licensed violence, and don't care how many votes that will cost in November.
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The only downside is, it is unsatisfying for the folks demanding Trump send in the Army to break heads. They want a public show of licensed violence, and don't care how many votes that will cost in November.
It's okay, I rather have the little terrorists waterboarded at some CIA black site. :whistle:
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It's okay, I rather have the little terrorists waterboarded at some CIA black site. :whistle:
I'm fine with that. I understand Bosnia is beautiful this time of year.
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Even better would be stealthly OPENLY LOUDLY relocating every one of these rioting perps to Gitmo TO SCARE THE LVING SHITE OUT OF THE REST OF THOSE IGNORANT po'S.
Fixed it for you. We need to make an example of these B@$T@RD$. Of them GITMO or a one way ticket to the Socialist country of their choice.
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I love the outrage of nitwits like Pelosi over the use of "unmarked minivans." Does she expect the cops to come tootling into the riot zone like this?
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4c1d6e_0b9f62050cef48feb6a067168e6a7d54~mv2_d_4122_2835_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_600,h_412,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/police%20car%20photo%20no%20background.webp)
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I love the outrage of nitwits like Pelosi over the use of "unmarked minivans." Does she expect the cops to come tootling into the riot zone like this?
There's no satisfyiing Marxist.
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Even better would be stealthly relocating every one of these rioting perps to Gitmo.
I'd be satisfied by dumping them on the front yard of the Mayor's and City Council's of Portland homes.
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Federal Unit Behind Arrests In Portland Reportedly Identified. Pelosi Smears Them, Makes False Claims.
By Ryan Saavedra
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Jul 18, 2020 DailyWire.com
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) smeared federal law enforcement officials on Friday night while making false claims about the continuing violence and rioting in Portland, Oregon.
“Unidentified stormtroopers. Unmarked cars. Kidnapping protesters and causing severe injuries in response to graffiti,†Pelosi claimed. “These are not the actions of a democratic republic. @DHSgov’s actions in Portland undermine its mission. Trump & his stormtroopers must be stopped.â€
https://www.dailywire.com/news/federal-unit-behind-arrests-in-portland-reportedly-identified-pelosi-smears-them-makes-false-claims?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071820-news&utm_campaign=position1 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/federal-unit-behind-arrests-in-portland-reportedly-identified-pelosi-smears-them-makes-false-claims?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071820-news&utm_campaign=position1)
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Pelosi wouldn't know the truth if it tore the plastic out of her face. :bullie smokin:
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This is a really stupid look for Pelosi - I gotta believe most Americans are thinking 'its about time' regarding the arrest of these punks.
She must be pretty confident the rats will hang on to the House.
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The only downside is, it is unsatisfying for the folks demanding Trump send in the Army to break heads. They want a public show of licensed violence, and don't care how many votes that will cost in November.
So, how well is Trump doing in the polls by sitting back and watching things deteriorate?
I'm not necessarily advocating shooting these fools (but I wouldn't shed any tears), however, inaction by the president just encourages more rioting and lawlessness.
Given all that, there's the political course of action and there's the right course of action. We, I voted for Trump because we thought he'd do the right regardless of the political angle.
I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.
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Pelosi: Feds in Portland are ‘Trump’s stormtroopers’ who are ‘kidnapping protesters’ and ‘must be stopped’
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/18/pelosi-feds-in-portland-are-trumps-stormtroopers-who-are-kidnapping-protesters-and-must-be-stopped-948257 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/18/pelosi-feds-in-portland-are-trumps-stormtroopers-who-are-kidnapping-protesters-and-must-be-stopped-948257)
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Pelosi: Feds in Portland are ‘Trump’s stormtroopers’ who are ‘kidnapping protesters’ and ‘must be stopped’
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/18/pelosi-feds-in-portland-are-trumps-stormtroopers-who-are-kidnapping-protesters-and-must-be-stopped-948257 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/18/pelosi-feds-in-portland-are-trumps-stormtroopers-who-are-kidnapping-protesters-and-must-be-stopped-948257)
Wouldn't it be nice is a nice upstanding storm trouper kidnapped Pelosi and threw her in a cell full of these Marxist rioters?
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Federal Unit Behind Arrests In Portland Reportedly Identified. Pelosi Smears Them, Makes False Claims.
By Ryan Saavedra
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Jul 18, 2020 DailyWire.com
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) smeared federal law enforcement officials on Friday night while making false claims about the continuing violence and rioting in Portland, Oregon.
“Unidentified stormtroopers. Unmarked cars. Kidnapping protesters and causing severe injuries in response to graffiti,†Pelosi claimed. “These are not the actions of a democratic republic. @DHSgov’s actions in Portland undermine its mission. Trump & his stormtroopers must be stopped.â€
https://www.dailywire.com/news/federal-unit-behind-arrests-in-portland-reportedly-identified-pelosi-smears-them-makes-false-claims?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071820-news&utm_campaign=position1 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/federal-unit-behind-arrests-in-portland-reportedly-identified-pelosi-smears-them-makes-false-claims?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071820-news&utm_campaign=position1)
Stormtroopers? That slip of the tongue needs to be costly to the Democrats.
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Merged two threads of same topic
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So, how well is Trump doing in the polls by sitting back and watching things deteriorate?
I'm not necessarily advocating shooting these fools (but I wouldn't shed any tears), however, inaction by the president just encourages more rioting and lawlessness.
Given all that, there's the political course of action and there's the right course of action. We, I voted for Trump because we thought he'd do the right regardless of the political angle.
I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.
Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?
Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.
I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..
Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.
Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.
Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.
(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.
How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
If not, why not?
It's your town, organize and take it back.
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Wouldn't it be nice is a nice upstanding storm trouper kidnapped Pelosi and threw her in a cell full of these Marxist rioters?
It would be a lot nicer if they kidnapped her and we never had to see her ugly face or hear her lying voice again. 888mouth
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Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?
Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.
I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..
Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.
Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.
Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.
(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.
How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
If not, why not?
It's your town, organize and take it back.
Perfectly stated.... :amen:
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Perfectly stated.... :amen:
Ditto.
Republicans have been silent too long, afraid to have the dreaded silencer pointed at them: ‘racist’!
No, not at all. Just an American, anti-anarchist, anti-Marxist, pro-constitution, patriot at your disposal.
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Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?
Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.
I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..
Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.
Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.
Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.
(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.
How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
If not, why not?
It's your town, organize and take it back.
And the people who do allow this to go on in their cities by electing these fools should suffer the consequences. If they don't like it, perhaps they should vote differently.
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And the people who do allow this to go on in their cities by electing these fools should suffer the consequences. If they don't like it, perhaps they should vote differently.
Even right here in Texas.... we on the right are "held hostage" by the radical left Democrats in the biggest cities (Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio). Those areas are dominated by Democrat voting minorities and leftists that have, in some cases, flocked here from leftist states. No matter how consistently we vote against these city officials, they always get re-elected. So there are innocent folks in those leftist cities and states that are suffering.
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Even right here in Texas.... we on the right are "held hostage" by the radical left Democrats in the biggest cities (Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio). Those areas are dominated by Democrat voting minorities and leftists that have, in some cases, flocked here from leftist states. No matter how consistently we vote against these city officials, they always get re-elected. So there are innocent folks in those leftist cities and states that are suffering.
Yes. And until the people of your state decide to do something about it it will continue. Move out of the leftest cities. Do not fund the leftest cities.
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Yes. And until the people of your state decide to do something about it it will continue. Move out of the leftest cities. Do not fund the leftest cities.
I can't afford to "move out". And I suspect that I am not alone re: that.
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I can't afford to "move out". And I suspect that I am not alone re: that.
Elections have consequences. Sometimes real bad ones.
I moved out of California after about 48 years of being there 2 years ago. It isn't easy. But the state has gone insane. I refuse to pay for their idiocy.
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goat wrote:
"So, how well is Trump doing in the polls by sitting back and watching things deteriorate?
I'm not necessarily advocating shooting these fools (but I wouldn't shed any tears), however, inaction by the president just encourages more rioting and lawlessness."
Fishrrman:
Them:
"Silence is violence !!"
Corrected version:
"Our silence only begets more of their violence..."
Please see this post I put up yesterday in another thread:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408453.msg2251204.html#msg2251204 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,408453.msg2251204.html#msg2251204)
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See Portland's mayor is demanding Trump remove federal presence, even though thugs have siezed federal building.
Wish Trump would have this turd arrested too for stupidity.
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Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?
Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.
I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..
Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.
Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.
Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.
(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.
How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
If not, why not?
It's your town, organize and take it back.
Sorry, your argument won't wash.
For one thing, nobody has done things where I live like they're doing in Portland and Seattle. Things are pretty quite around here. No violence.
If people march down my street (highly unlikely where I live) and threaten me and the wife, I do have guns, and I will shoot people who attack us. And my street has a number of people who will shoot people who attack their families.
Trump has made promises that he will fix things in the violent cities.
If people's civil rights are being violated (and they are), it is a federal matter. That means Trump can step in with force if need be.
If federal forces are being assaulted by thugs (and they are), more force might be necessary. As much force as needed to fix the problem.
People don't have to notify the federal gov. and beg for help when their civil rights are being violated by the elected officials of their state. It is up to the fed. gov. to protect their rights.
That means Trump and the AG.
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US attorney calls for investigation into unmarked federal agents arresting protestors in Oregon
The U.S. Attorney for the Oregon District has requested an investigation into the unmarked, camouflaged federal officers who have been picking up and detaining protestors in Portland.
"Based on news accounts circulating that allege federal law enforcement detained two protestors without probable cause, I have requested the Department of Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General to open a separate investigation directed specifically at the actions of DHS personnel," U.S. Attorney Billy J. Williams said in a statement Friday.
Federal authorities, clad in unmarked military fatigues have reportedly been grabbing and detaining protestors in unmarked vans. Tensions have escalated between law enforcement and demonstrators since the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who was killed while in Minneapolis police custody in late May. The protests have dominated the Portland area for well over a month, and at times, have lead to the damage of federal property.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507967-us-attorney-calls-for-investigation-into-unmarked-federal-agents
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Unmarked mini-vans? Oh, the horror!
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Unmarked mini-vans? Oh, the horror!
The perps probably thought they were being picked up for soccer practice. happy77
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Elections have consequences. Sometimes real bad ones.
I moved out of California after about 48 years of being there 2 years ago. It isn't easy. But the state has gone insane. I refuse to pay for their idiocy.
Well again, even here in Texas, some of us are forced to pay for "their idiocy" via city property taxing entities. Entities that, coincidentally, have given nobody a break during this "pandemic" and couldn't care less if people are having trouble scraping together that $$$. It is what it is, I guess.
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Sorry, your argument won't wash.
For one thing, nobody has done things where I live like they're doing in Portland and Seattle. Things are pretty quite around here. No violence.
If people march down my street (highly unlikely where I live) and threaten me and the wife, I do have guns, and I will shoot people who attack us. And my street has a number of people who will shoot people who attack their families.
Trump has made promises that he will fix things in the violent cities.
If people's civil rights are being violated (and they are), it is a federal matter. That means Trump can step in with force if need be.
If federal forces are being assaulted by thugs (and they are), more force might be necessary. As much force as needed to fix the problem.
People don't have to notify the federal gov. and beg for help when their civil rights are being violated by the elected officials of their state. It is up to the fed. gov. to protect their rights.
That means Trump and the AG.
Thank you. This is truth. Trump not only has the authority but the duty to protect and defend the United States against foreign and domestic terrorism.
As for Trumps mini van kidnappings.......... Did he enact the Insurrection Act? On what authority does he have to scoop people off the streets in unmarked vehicles. Sounds like something that would happen in Iraq or Venezuela. What is he doing with them once he scoops them?
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Well again, even here in Texas, some of us are forced to pay for "their idiocy" via city property taxing entities. Entities that, coincidentally, have given nobody a break during this "pandemic" and couldn't care less if people are having trouble scraping together that $$$. It is what it is, I guess.
The only vote you have left is your feet. It sucks. But as you say, it is what it is.
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Well again, even here in Texas, some of us are forced to pay for "their idiocy" via city property taxing entities. Entities that, coincidentally, have given nobody a break during this "pandemic" and couldn't care less if people are having trouble scraping together that $$$. It is what it is, I guess.
This pandemic has affected everyone in one way or another; either psychically, mentally, or financially. The only entity that gave us a small break was Allstate on our car insurance; they cut our premium by 10% for a couple of months, not much but it was at least something. Our homeowners insurance went up and the electric company announced that they are going to raise rates. So, it looks like we're going to be helping to foot the bill for those out of work. Food prices have soared along with the cost of goods. People are hurting, out of work and those of us on a fixed income or who managed to stay employed or find employment are going to be footing the bill. I read that property taxes are going up as well -- so much for downsizing to save a few pennies. I am thankful that we moved when we did though, we timed it perfectly. No way would I want to be selling a home right now.
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Sorry, your argument won't wash.
For one thing, nobody has done things where I live like they're doing in Portland and Seattle. Things are pretty quite around here. No violence.
If people march down my street (highly unlikely where I live) and threaten me and the wife, I do have guns, and I will shoot people who attack us. And my street has a number of people who will shoot people who attack their families.
Trump has made promises that he will fix things in the violent cities.
If people's civil rights are being violated (and they are), it is a federal matter. That means Trump can step in with force if need be.
If federal forces are being assaulted by thugs (and they are), more force might be necessary. As much force as needed to fix the problem.
People don't have to notify the federal gov. and beg for help when their civil rights are being violated by the elected officials of their state. It is up to the fed. gov. to protect their rights.
That means Trump and the AG.
First off, These people voted for the leadership they have.
This is their duly elected government.
THEY CHOSE THIS, maybe not exactly this, but the type of leadership they have.
They can choose to remove that leadership.
THat is not Trump's job.
Keeping the peace in the streets of those jurisdictions falls on the elected leadership of those jurisdictions.
The key word, was the UNINVITED presence of federal troops (not federal LEOs, who have been sent in, who have jurisdiction over Federal offenses).
But to go in and arrest everyone from the mayors to the Governors and the protesters for conspiring to deprive people of their civil rights would only play directly into the hands of a much larger international organization which has unleashed mayhem upon the world.
Sure, there is a part of most of us which would cheer at the video of concrete filled JDAMs taking out "revolutionary headquarters", but that fantasy would play in the global media like Bashar Assad sending an artillery strike into a stash of insurgent chemical weapons--all you'd see is the faces of poor dead children used as human shields and the glamor shots of the dead 'revolutionaries' "peaceful protesters" that would make Trump look like Pol Pot or Baby Doc, murdering innocents to keep power.
The Dems would trot out pictures of Trump with a Hitler Moustache (may already have them printed up) and will ride that horse right into the White House.
So, I really don't think that is such a good idea.
Even the snatch and grab operations against "protesters" caught damaging Federal Property are being decried as "gestapo" operations.
(Now, of course Communist organizations with their origins in the streets of Wiemar Germany would see their opposition as "NAZIs", but keep in mind that the MSM would be spewing the Trump dictator thingy continuously.
I don't watch teevee news (Can't get OAN), but many, far too many use that, twitter, and fecebook as their news sources.
It's a guaranteed loss. Sometimes, it is better to let the boil fill with pus before lancing it, that way the offending splinter comes out with it. He can always ramp up Federal involvement, but going in too heavy handed will be a losing gambit. Seeing that requires use of more than the limbic brain. This is a long game, the culmination of nearly a century of Communist effort. Short of slaughter n the streets, it will take some finesse to untangle.
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This pandemic has affected everyone in one way or another; either psychically, mentally, or financially. The only entity that gave us a small break was Allstate on our car insurance; they cut our premium by 10% for a couple of months, not much but it was at least something. Our homeowners insurance went up and the electric company announced that they are going to raise rates. So, it looks like we're going to be helping to foot the bill for those out of work. Food prices have soared along with the cost of goods. People are hurting, out of work and those of us on a fixed income or who managed to stay employed or find employment are going to be footing the bill. I read that property taxes are going up as well -- so much for downsizing to save a few pennies. I am thankful that we moved when we did though, we timed it perfectly. No way would I want to be selling a home right now.
Exactly.
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On what authority does he have to scoop people off the streets in unmarked vehicles. Sounds like something that would happen in Iraq or Venezuela. What is he doing with them once he scoops them?
Oh my gosh. Do you really believe this crap? Get a grip.
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Smokin' Joe wrote:
"This is a long game, the culmination of nearly a century of communist effort. Short of slaughter n the streets, it will take some finesse to untangle."
Where, in the history of communism, has one of their "revolutions" ever been undone by "finesse"...? Or halted in-progress by the same? I'd like to know of one.
Fishrrman haiku:
Perhaps we hadn't oughta
Talk of slaughter, but
It will take more
than finesse,
To untangle
this mess...
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Smokin' Joe wrote:
"This is a long game, the culmination of nearly a century of communist effort. Short of slaughter n the streets, it will take some finesse to untangle."
Where, in the history of communism, has one of their "revolutions" ever been undone by "finesse"...? Or halted in-progress by the same? I'd like to know of one.
Fishrrman haiku:
Perhaps we hadn't oughta
Talk of slaughter, but
It will take more
than finesse,
To untangle
this mess...
When they start shootin'
We can act like Putin.
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Oh my gosh. Do you really believe this crap? Get a grip.
And keep in mind.... that this is the very same poster that was bitching about Trump "not" doing anything....lol.
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And keep in mind.... that this is the very same poster that was bitching about Trump "not" doing anything....lol.
Did he enact the Insurrection Act? What is this? The Insurrection Act would give him the authority, but I don't know about minivan snatches. Sometime the something is worse if ill planned. As you can see the liberals are using it against him. I think its quite weird also. Why would the government use unmarked vehicles? We are not a dictatorship that uses snatch and grab to take people back to the interrogation room. We aren't in Iraq.
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Did he enact the Insurrection Act? What is this? The Insurrection Act would give him the authority, but I don't know about minivan snatches. Sometime the something is worse if ill planned. As you can see the liberals are using it against him. I think its quite weird also. Why would the government use unmarked vehicles? We are not a dictatorship that uses snatch and grab to take people back to the interrogation room. We aren't in Iraq.
You keep proving.... that it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do, says or doesn't say....
you're going to be bashing and trashing him anyway. My only question is....
are you getting paid for this?
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Did he enact the Insurrection Act? What is this? The Insurrection Act would give him the authority, but I don't know about minivan snatches. Sometime the something is worse if ill planned. As you can see the liberals are using it against him. I think its quite weird also. Why would the government use unmarked vehicles? We are not a dictatorship that uses snatch and grab to take people back to the interrogation room. We aren't in Iraq.
How do you think undercover police operate?
If you have any evidence these people are being disappeared and not getting due process you would have a point.
Otherwise it is simply minimizing the opportunity for violence from violent rioters.
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Federal agents deployed to Portland did not have training in riot control: NYT
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507976-federal-agents-deployed-to-portland-did-not-have-training-in-riot
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Federal agents deployed to Portland did not have training in riot control: NYT
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507976-federal-agents-deployed-to-portland-did-not-have-training-in-riot
NY Times reporters did not have training in reporting news objectively.
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You keep proving.... that it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do, says or doesn't say....
you're going to be bashing and trashing him anyway. My only question is....
are you getting paid for this?
Paid for each Nt'er she drives into Trump's arms?
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Federal agents deployed to Portland did not have training in riot control: NYT
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507976-federal-agents-deployed-to-portland-did-not-have-training-in-riot
Going by their actions, they were not there to control riots, so why would they need that?
They were there to identify ringleaders and felony suspects and make arrests.
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Here's what's been going on in Portland overnight:
Portland Police @PortlandPolice
People have broken into the Portland Police Association office and lit the building on fire.
1:51 AM · Jul 19, 2020
Andy Ngô @MrAndyNgo
Antifa rioters continue to break the wooden barriers protecting the Portland federal courthouse. They already tore apart the fencing erected around the building.
2:36 AM · Jul 19, 2020
Andy Ngô @MrAndyNgo
Antifa tear apart the heavy-duty fence around the courthouse set up earlier by federal authorities. Local politicians tell law enforcement to stay inside. When they do, antifa & BLM attack anyway.
1:52 AM · Jul 19, 2020
Kalen From Scriberr @FromKalen
Happening now: antifa fires multiple rounds from what appears to be a paintball gun at security cameras on the PPB building.
3:14 AM · Jul 19, 2020
I don't care whether the feds or the local cops are wearing camo, plain clothes or tutus. I don't care whether they're driving unmarked minivans, Chevy Novas or golf carts. I want this nonsense stopped and order restored.
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Here's what's been going on in Portland overnight:I don't care whether the feds or the local cops are wearing camo, plain clothes or tutus. I don't care whether they're driving unmarked minivans, Chevy Novas or golf carts. I want this nonsense stopped and order restored.
The deep state left (who is directing this violence) is obviously afraid that the tanked pandemic economy won't be enough to defeat Trump.... which is a good sign. Ironic, eh? They know that once Trump gets things going again, the economy will recover. Can't have that. Gotta have more "insurance policies".
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Here's what's been going on in Portland overnight:I don't care whether the feds or the local cops are wearing camo, plain clothes or tutus. I don't care whether they're driving unmarked minivans, Chevy Novas or golf carts. I want this nonsense stopped and order restored.
Well, I can see that point of view.
But in this case, I am on the side of Antifa/BLM.
I would love to see Portland burned to the ground.
That would make me happy.
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Well, I can see that point of view.
But in this case, I am on the side of Antifa/BLM.
I would love to see Portland burned to the ground.
That would make me happy.
Sorry....but.... that's like saying you are on the side of the deep state DemocRats. That will never happen with me. Never ever.
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Sorry....but.... that's like saying you are on the side of the deep state DemocRats. That will never happen with me. Never ever.
Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Berkeley, burn them all down.
If this is a Civil War? And if these people are burning these cities? Hell Yes.
I am on their side. Hell, I would join in with them.
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Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Berkeley, burn them all down.
If this is a Civil War? And if these people are burning these cities? Hell Yes.
I am on their side. Hell, I would join in with them.
Yes, but.... they're not burning the entire cities down. You know that, right? They are only targeting symbols of the rule of law and democracy.... targets that they "think" equate to anti-antifa. And they will NEVER burn down Berkeley. It's their center of stupid.
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Yes, but.... they're not burning the entire cities down. You know that, right? They are only targeting symbols of the rule of law and democracy.... targets that they "think" equate to anti-antifa. And they will NEVER burn down Berkeley. It's their center of stupid.
I will not say too much as a response, because I like @XenaLee .
But no. They are targeting anything and everything. A Wendys hamburger stand is not 'against their cause'. A liquor store is not anti-antifa or anti-BLM. They are burning and destroying everything they can regardless of what it is. They don't care.
Now that the Democrats cannot contain the wildfire that they themselves started, supported, and even marched with; now that the fire is burning down their own house; now they scream, "This is all Trump's fault!" Because he will not save us from our own stupidity! Which of course, even if Trump did save the Liberal morons, they would simply attack him for it.
I say again, 'Let it burn. Burn it all down.'
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
We are trying to help Portland, not hurt it. Their leadership has, for months, lost control of the anarchists and agitators. They are missing in action. We must protect Federal property, AND OUR PEOPLE. These were not merely protesters, these are the real deal!
8:42 AM · Jul 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1284831061181173761
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I will not say too much as a response, because I like @XenaLee .
But no. They are targeting anything and everything. A Wendys hamburger stand is not 'against their cause'. A liquor store is not anti-antifa or anti-BLM. They are burning and destroying everything they can regardless of what it is. They don't care.
Now that the Democrats cannot contain the wildfire that they themselves started, supported, and even marched with; now that the fire is burning down their own house; now they scream, "This is all Trump's fault!" Because he will not save us from our own stupidity! Which of course, even if Trump did save the Liberal morons, they would simply attack him for it.
I say again, 'Let it burn. Burn it all down.'
As far as I am aware.... they only targeted the Wendys because that was the location where Brooks died. The liquor store I'm aware of that burned was on the street across from the police station in Minneapolis....right? So it burned due to the "proximity" of their actual target.
It's a very minor point of disagreement. And we usually agree on most 'other' points.
I'm just ornery enough to be against ANYTHING that these leftist azholes do, especially destroying city or private property.....even if it's mostly leftist cities that they destroy. For one thing... if they get away with it in leftist cities, I am shock-sure that they will soon come to my city and do/try the same thing.
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Liberals are always 'immediate' thinkers. They can only think about 'now' and maybe some fantastical version of how it works out in the future. That is being generous.
Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead.
All of us were saying, while watching all the Democrat politicians marching with the rioters, "You are going to regret this!" But that was dismissed as intolerant Right-wing propaganda. Now, here they are, on their knees, begging for Trump to 'Save Them'.
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Liberals are always 'immediate' thinkers. They can only think about 'now' and maybe some fantastical version of how it works out in the future. That is being generous.
Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead.
All of us were saying, while watching all the Democrat politicians marching with the rioters, "You are going to regret this!" But that was dismissed as intolerant Right-wing propaganda. Now, here they are, on their knees, begging for Trump to 'Save Them'.
Unfortunately, there are some radicals among them that can and do think ahead... and plan for contingencies. Agenda 21 has now morphed into Agenda 2030.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism (https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism)
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Unfortunately, there are some radicals among them that can and do think ahead... and plan for contingencies. Agenda 21 has now morphed into Agenda 2030.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism (https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism)
These events are planned, organized and led by a few full time, Marxist trained, BLM employees the rest of those participating are mostly useful idiots who will do anything for a few bucks to get their drugs.
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I will not say too much as a response, because I like @XenaLee .
But no. They are targeting anything and everything. A Wendys hamburger stand is not 'against their cause'. A liquor store is not anti-antifa or anti-BLM. They are burning and destroying everything they can regardless of what it is. They don't care.
Now that the Democrats cannot contain the wildfire that they themselves started, supported, and even marched with; now that the fire is burning down their own house; now they scream, "This is all Trump's fault!" Because he will not save us from our own stupidity! Which of course, even if Trump did save the Liberal morons, they would simply attack him for it.
I say again, 'Let it burn. Burn it all down.'
In theory, I see some validity in your anger. OTOH, you think they are going to rest after all the urban areas are torched?
I am guessing our faction of patriots numbers probably about 5% of those those areas, who will fight back. The rest of the sheeple? Well, lets just say I am not optimistic. ****sheep****
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In theory, I see some validity in your anger. OTOH, you think they are going to rest after all the urban areas are torched?
I am guessing our faction of patriots numbers probably about 5% of those those areas, who will fight back. The rest of the sheeple? Well, lets just say I am not optimistic. ****sheep****
I believe you are incorrect. You can get killed in any neighborhood, regardless of how calm or supposedly White it may be, walking past a cocaine, heroin, or crack house. These guys do not know what they are walking into. It is much, much more, than some suburban White guy with the pistol he bought yesterday. No. They will be walking into a firestorm of shit that they never imagined.
Even trained SWAT Cops are on high alert going into a home they do not know. A bunch of astro-high tee shirted social vigilantes think they are going to 'take over' a suburban White area? It is not just White suburbans. It is everyone of all colors and all races, including Black and everyone else who live in these neighborhoods. They will shoot you and kill you if you try to mess with their home and family.
If they want to burn down Portland, NYC, and the rest, fair winds and more power to you. Good Luck with that. You step on my lawn...it will be a totally different ballgame.
In evolutionary terms, Antifa/BLM/Democrats are escalating 'weak blood'. Nice guys finish last. But stupid people finish dead. I have seen it.
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I believe you are incorrect. You can get killed in any neighborhood, regardless of how calm or supposedly White it may be, walking past a cocaine, heroin, or crack house. These guys do not know what they are walking into. It is much, much more, than some suburban White guy with the pistol he bought yesterday. No. They will be walking into a firestorm of shit that they never imagined.
Even trained SWAT Cops are on high alert going into a home they do not know. A bunch of astro-high tee shirted social vigilantes think they are going to 'take over' a suburban White area? It is not just White suburbans. It is everyone of all colors and all races, including Black and everyone else who live in these neighborhoods. They will shoot you and kill you if you try to mess with their home and family.
If they want to burn down Portland, NYC, and the rest, fair winds and more power to you. Good Luck with that. You step on my lawn...it will be a totally different ballgame.
In evolutionary terms, Antifa/BLM/Democrats are escalating 'weak blood'. Nice guys finish last. But stupid people finish dead. I have seen it.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. 90%+ of the subburban population is either unprepared, underprepared, or doesn't have a stomach to fight back. Then add the fact you have the rule of law that seems to be favoring the rioter based on race baiting. Have you even been following the STL couple who simply defended their property? Their weapons were seized, and and now may be seeing prosecution. This is not going to be an isolated incident as this spreads.
You are far too optimistic.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. 90%+ of the subburban population is either unprepared, underprepared, or doesn't have a stomach to fight back. Then add the fact you have the rule of law that seems to be favoring the rioter based on race baiting. Have you even been following the STL couple who simply defended their property? Their weapons were seized, and and now may be seeing prosecution. This is not going to be an isolated incident as this spreads.
You are far too optimistic.
That was a liberal enclave. In these parts, if the word gets out that they have done crap in another town, they won't make it to the next one.
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That was a liberal enclave. In these parts, if the word gets out that they have done crap in another town, they won't make it to the next one.
As much as I would like to agree, the general population has gotten soft, complacent, and gone sheeple. The 5% of us who do fight back are not going to be able save that faction, and in fact we may be out numbered by the BLM Antifa thuggery, as it grows and gets even more embolden. .
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. 90%+ of the subburban population is either unprepared, underprepared, or doesn't have a stomach to fight back. Then add the fact you have the rule of law that seems to be favoring the rioter based on race baiting. Have you even been following the STL couple who simply defended their property? Their weapons were seized, and and now may be seeing prosecution. This is not going to be an isolated incident as this spreads.
You are far too optimistic.
I know exactly what you mean. Yes but, they did in fact scare them.
Joe Biden said, Quote,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1GaX_-E-E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1GaX_-E-E)
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Here's what's been going on in Portland overnight:I don't care whether the feds or the local cops are wearing camo, plain clothes or tutus. I don't care whether they're driving unmarked minivans, Chevy Novas or golf carts. I want this nonsense stopped and order restored.
The argument I have been given here about why Trump says he is going to do something and he doesn't is because the left will use it against him on election. I guess he did something the left would use against him anyway. And I think a military presence would be less offensive than snatching people off the streets. People said he couldn't go in there without a invitation. Well apparently people here don't believe what they said the other day because he is snatching without even declaring Insurrection Act.
I have Donald Trump figured out. He does things to make the left mad because he uses it. Its obvious that people would defend him for not doing anything and now defend him for doing what they said he shouldn't because of the elections. Its just plain I go along with whatever Donald Trump says or does. Trump knows it and he started another battle with the left because its great for him. Couldn't just do the Insurrection Act which the left would have a hard time denying. Because the Constitution actually gives him the authority.
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As much as I would like to agree, the general population has gotten soft, complacent, and gone sheeple. The 5% of us who do fight back are not going to be able save that faction, and in fact we may be out numbered by the BLM Antifa thuggery, as it grows and gets even more embolden. .
Recall the numbers from the Revolutionary war? A third for it, a third against it, a third neutral, and 3% fighting.
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Recall the numbers from the Revolutionary war? A third for it, a third against it, a third neutral, and 3% fighting.
We have EVERYTHING to lose and everything to gain by fighting back. Just sayin'
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240b wrote:
"Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead."
I will take exception with you here.
Yes, the "liberals" in the street, and many of their supporters in their homes may not be thinking beyond the short term.
However, the real organizers and powers-that-be operating behind them (and out of sight) are strategic thinkers, as were all the significant communist figures in the history of that plague.
They are playing "the long game", and have been doing so for at least 80 years. We are now witnessing the fruition of their efforts.
Part of the communist plan to win is to acquire territory and make it "theirs", and then expand, either by intimidation and infiltration, or by force.
Today they're flexing their muscles in places like Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis. These places are no longer just "left", but "HARD-left" or outright, self-declared marxist. Some states now border on almost-unbreakable one-party rule. Right now, that "party" identifies as "democrat" for public consumption. But scratch the surface -- often not deeply -- and you'll find other political convictions beneath.
The longer we wait to confront and stop them, the more difficult the task will be.
I'm coming to believe that even a "peaceful separation" won't work, because as soon as the leftists/communists are "an independent nation", watch for them to start forming allegiances with communist nations like China and North Korea, perhaps even inviting the military of those nations to establish bases and supply weapons and training. And they will then begin planning by which to go to war and overthrow what remains of "traditional, free America".
So again... we must confront them.
And defeat them, totally.
What other choices might there be?
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We have EVERYTHING to lose and everything to gain by fighting back. Just sayin'
I came across this.
How Bad Are the Portland Riots? On-the-Ground Footage Provides an Insight
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/19/watch-on-the-ground-footage-shows-just-how-bad-the-riots-in-portland-really-are-n2572726
there are several video's of the riots in Portland. I don't think minivan snatching is what they need. Not even sure how a minivan could approach these rioters because it is masses of people destroying the city.
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Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
Now, do your due diligence and tell me who handles that problem?
Then learn about Sheriff Henry Plummer and Bannack, MT.
I have little doubt this crap was supposed to happen in my state (ND), just one over from Minnesota. It didn't.
There were a few windows broken in Fargo, but that got squelched, fast, despite the handwringing by their Mayor..
Here, the attitude was different (Western part of the State), and locals showed up and had their own peaceful assembly, armed, and obviously in good rapport with the police.
Nothing was broken, stolen, or burned.
Ultimately, it is up to us to shut this crap down.
Have the people of these jurisdictions made a plea to the POTUS to restore order?
Have they cited the nonfeasance of their elected officials?
(It isn't our back yard, it is up to them unless it ends up in our yard.)
Have they, personally, informed him that they are being held hostage, in fear of reprisal or their lives, unable to otherwise dissent?
In case you missed it, POTUS has other issues which do require his attention, which involve us all. But even that is not the reason, as I am sure he could take care of this, too, and some here assert (quite likely correctly) that he could do so, even though having the ability to do something does not mean that is the wisest course of action.
(Keep in mind, once the use of Presidential power against domestic groups on the precinct scale occurs, against the express wishes of existing duly elected governance, then this tool will have precedent for use by all future occupiers of the Oval Office, regardless of the desires of locals or their representatives in government.
That's a really dangerous place to go, and the last time someone arbitrarily invoked the use of force to bring jurisdictions into compliance with what the occupant of the White House thought they should be, without the request of the locals, 600,000 (bare minimum) died.
How many of you have met with your local LEOs, or representatives thereof, to assure them you are available to support them as needed in the event of such lawless activities? Have you established the means by which they will be able to identify you and separate you from protesters, discussed rules of engagement, communications, or any of the logistics involved? Have you worked out a plan in which you assist (not replace) the police in containing and stopping violence on your streets?
If not, why not?
It's your town, organize and take it back.
Right on! POTUS asked all mayors & governors if they needed help from federal. They all (DEMS) said, NO! STATES RIGHTS. CHAIN OF COMMAND. Then since, demon-rat mayors & governors would NOT stop the rioting, looting, destruction, POTUS SAID. 'DO SOMETHING OR I WILL"! I think it was a brilliant idea. Solve the problem, quietly, yet get it DONE. Now, new rioters, will look at unmarked VANS......differently. GIVE ANTIFA, BLM, NEW BLACK PANTHERS= NATION. OF. ISLAM.... a little fear back to them!
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240b wrote:
"Liberals think in the immediate term of what they think will benefit them in the very short term. Liberals do not comprehend the concept of repercussions or ramifications. They do not think that way.
When they started supported and joined in with all this stuff, they never imagined that it would ever rebound on them. Liberals do not play chess. Because they can't. They can only think one move ahead."
I will take exception with you here.
Yes, the "liberals" in the street, and many of their supporters in their homes may not be thinking beyond the short term.
However, the real organizers and powers-that-be operating behind them (and out of sight) are strategic thinkers, as were all the significant communist figures in the history of that plague.
They are playing "the long game", and have been doing so for at least 80 years. We are now witnessing the fruition of their efforts.
Part of the communist plan to win is to acquire territory and make it "theirs", and then expand, either by intimidation and infiltration, or by force.
Today they're flexing their muscles in places like Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis. These places are no longer just "left", but "HARD-left" or outright, self-declared marxist. Some states now border on almost-unbreakable one-party rule. Right now, that "party" identifies as "democrat" for public consumption. But scratch the surface -- often not deeply -- and you'll find other political convictions beneath.
The longer we wait to confront and stop them, the more difficult the task will be.
I'm coming to believe that even a "peaceful separation" won't work, because as soon as the leftists/communists are "an independent nation", watch for them to start forming allegiances with communist nations like China and North Korea, perhaps even inviting the military of those nations to establish bases and supply weapons and training. And they will then begin planning by which to go to war and overthrow what remains of "traditional, free America".
So again... we must confront them.
And defeat them, totally.
What other choices might there be?
If what I strongly suspect will happen actually happens..... that Trump wins in November in a landslide election.... Trump will then have proof of political support and the political capital to do what needs to be done re: these America-hating anarchists. After the election will be the time for @ss-kicking them to the curb (or to Gitmo). And how sweet it will be.
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So, how well is Trump doing in the polls by sitting back and watching things deteriorate?
I'm not necessarily advocating shooting these fools (but I wouldn't shed any tears), however, inaction by the president just encourages more rioting and lawlessness.
Given all that, there's the political course of action and there's the right course of action. We, I voted for Trump because we thought he'd do the right regardless of the political angle.
I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.
I'll respect Trump more if he takes the decision to maintain law and order when mayors and govs. do not want to maintain law and order.=GOAT
Am I reading this wrong? HE..IS...DOING...SOMETHING....ABOUT THE LAWLESSNESS. This is what the thread it about. So YOU DO RESPECT POTUS....FOR DOING THIS?
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Sorry, your argument won't wash.
For one thing, nobody has done things where I live like they're doing in Portland and Seattle. Things are pretty quite around here. No violence.
If people march down my street (highly unlikely where I live) and threaten me and the wife, I do have guns, and I will shoot people who attack us. And my street has a number of people who will shoot people who attack their families.
Trump has made promises that he will fix things in the violent cities.
If people's civil rights are being violated (and they are), it is a federal matter. That means Trump can step in with force if need be.
If federal forces are being assaulted by thugs (and they are), more force might be necessary. As much force as needed to fix the problem.
People don't have to notify the federal gov. and beg for help when their civil rights are being violated by the elected officials of their state. It is up to the fed. gov. to protect their rights.
That means Trump and the AG.
SORRY. Your thinking is not correct. STATES RIGHTS. Of course you want things resolved as you want, but POTUS is following the constitution...
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First off, These people voted for the leadership they have.
This is their duly elected government.
THEY CHOSE THIS, maybe not exactly this, but the type of leadership they have.
They can choose to remove that leadership.
THat is not Trump's job.
Keeping the peace in the streets of those jurisdictions falls on the elected leadership of those jurisdictions.
The key word, was the UNINVITED presence of federal troops (not federal LEOs, who have been sent in, who have jurisdiction over Federal offenses).
But to go in and arrest everyone from the mayors to the Governors and the protesters for conspiring to deprive people of their civil rights would only play directly into the hands of a much larger international organization which has unleashed mayhem upon the world.
Sure, there is a part of most of us which would cheer at the video of concrete filled JDAMs taking out "revolutionary headquarters", but that fantasy would play in the global media like Bashar Assad sending an artillery strike into a stash of insurgent chemical weapons--all you'd see is the faces of poor dead children used as human shields and the glamor shots of the dead 'revolutionaries' "peaceful protesters" that would make Trump look like Pol Pot or Baby Doc, murdering innocents to keep power.
The Dems would trot out pictures of Trump with a Hitler Moustache (may already have them printed up) and will ride that horse right into the White House.
So, I really don't think that is such a good idea.
Even the snatch and grab operations against "protesters" caught damaging Federal Property are being decried as "gestapo" operations.
(Now, of course Communist organizations with their origins in the streets of Wiemar Germany would see their opposition as "NAZIs", but keep in mind that the MSM would be spewing the Trump dictator thingy continuously.
I don't watch teevee news (Can't get OAN), but many, far too many use that, twitter, and fecebook as their news sources.
It's a guaranteed loss. Sometimes, it is better to let the boil fill with pus before lancing it, that way the offending splinter comes out with it. He can always ramp up Federal involvement, but going in too heavy handed will be a losing gambit. Seeing that requires use of more than the limbic brain. This is a long game, the culmination of nearly a century of Communist effort. Short of slaughter n the streets, it will take some finesse to untangle.
BINGO! :thumbsup:
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NY Times reporters did not have training in reporting news objectively.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :patriot: :patriot:
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If what I strongly suspect will happen actually happens..... that Trump wins in November in a landslide election.... Trump will then have proof of political support and the political capital to do what needs to be done re: these America-hating anarchists. After the election will be the time for @ss-kicking them to the curb (or to Gitmo). And how sweet it will be.
888high58888 :thumbsup:
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Just 5-20 years? That 's an outrage by itself.
Will end up being less under First Act.
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Link with Portland riot live-streams. Warning full of foul language and violence. They switch audio between the thumbnailed streams, but each one is labeled with where you can watch it if one interests you and you want to see full screen.
https://youtu.be/Mdv7jrjP8FQ
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Link with Portland riot live-streams. Warning full of foul language and violence. They switch audio between the thumbnailed streams, but each one is labeled with where you can watch it if one interests you and you want to see full screen.
https://youtu.be/Mdv7jrjP8FQ (https://youtu.be/Mdv7jrjP8FQ)
Like the versatility of your link. Thanks
I was watching this live stream and looks like they want to rush the fed building soon. Can't believe I am actually rooting for the feds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNlN671t0hM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNlN671t0hM)
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I can't afford to "move out". And I suspect that I am not alone re: that.
You cannot also afford to remain, am afraid.
You have to decide which is more costly to you.
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You cannot also afford to remain, am afraid.
You have to decide which is more costly to you.
My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas. Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.
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My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas. Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.
Its easy to sit back deep in a red state and talk about CW2, but the prospect takes on a different complexion for those of us surrounded by leftists in blue state towns in deep blue states, and for whom running is not an option.
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Portland moms form human barrier to protect protesters from federal officers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdQtRyNUEAAC_bl?format=jpg&name=small)
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508069-portland-moms-form-human-barrier-to-protect-protesters-from-federal
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Its easy to sit back deep in a red state and talk about CW2, but the prospect takes on a different complexion for those of us surrounded by leftists in blue state towns in deep blue states, and for whom running is not an option.
Talking about another civil war due to the actions of the radical left is just the reality we live in now, through no fault of our own. How was it any different for folks back in the 1860s? I expect the fighting will be more severe in red state areas than in blue state towns/states. So what, exactly, is your point?
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Portland moms form human barrier to protect protesters from federal officers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdQtRyNUEAAC_bl?format=jpg&name=small)
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508069-portland-moms-form-human-barrier-to-protect-protesters-from-federal
So their new meme is MFA...."Moms For Anarchy"? Or is it MOA..."Moms for Overthrow of America"?
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Talking about another civil war due to the actions of the radical left is just the reality we live in now, through no fault of our own. How was it any different for folks back in the 1860s? I expect the fighting will be more severe in red state areas than in blue state towns/states. So what, exactly, is your point?
I wasn't being coy. Just stating my view from an area full of empty brain pan progressives.
Of course its not our fault.
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I wasn't being coy. Just stating my view from an area full of empty brain pan progressives.
Of course its not our fault.
@skeeter
Lucky for you, you’ve got a choice:
You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing LaLaLaLa or you can recognize that your lefty blue neighbors WILL. NOT. STOP. You can join them, kneel to them or die...they don’t care which.
But make no mistake...it’s coming. They will allow no other course.
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I came across this.
How Bad Are the Portland Riots? On-the-Ground Footage Provides an Insight
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/19/watch-on-the-ground-footage-shows-just-how-bad-the-riots-in-portland-really-are-n2572726
there are several video's of the riots in Portland. I don't think minivan snatching is what they need. Not even sure how a minivan could approach these rioters because it is masses of people destroying the city.
So now you've gone from, "Trump isn't doing enough!" to "Trump is a tyrant!" and back to "Trump isn't doing enough!" in a matter of 3 or 5 days! Fascinating, :pop41: .
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I wasn't being coy. Just stating my view from an area full of empty brain pan progressives.
Of course its not our fault.
Ok. Sorry for the misinterpretation...lol.
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@skeeter
Lucky for you, you’ve got a choice:
You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing LaLaLaLa or you can recognize that your lefty blue neighbors WILL. NOT. STOP. You can join them, kneel to them or die...they don’t care which.
But make no mistake...it’s coming. They will allow no other course.
My eyes are wide open - wider than many conservatives living elsewhere. Which was my point.
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My eyes are wide open - wider than many conservatives living elsewhere. Which was my point.
If you can, get out of the way of it... And make a place for your family to come to. A refuge for those that can or will, is better than all y'all swept away by it. Jussayin. I would be SERIOUSLY looking for property in the Sierras, were I you.
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@skeeter
Lucky for you, you’ve got a choice:
You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing LaLaLaLa or you can recognize that your lefty blue neighbors WILL. NOT. STOP. You can join them, kneel to them or die...they don’t care which.
But make no mistake...it’s coming. They will allow no other course.
Well he could always "switch hats" whenever the leftie azholes show up at his door.
I have to laugh remembering the ferryman in The Outlaw Josey Wales. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Sim Carstairs : You bet. You know in my line of work, you gotta be able either to sing "The Battle Hymn Of The Republic" or "Dixie" with equal enthusiasm... dependin' upon present company.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHdbexrK1Q#)
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The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Dang it. Now I gotta watch that again.
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Dang it. Now I gotta watch that again.
I love it too! Especially fond of Chief Dan George.
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Well he could always "switch hats" whenever the leftie azholes show up at his door.
I have to laugh remembering the ferryman in The Outlaw Josey Wales. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHdbexrK1Q#)
i could switch hats, but more likely I’ll end up just getting plumb mad dog mean.
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i could switch hats, but more likely I’ll end up just getting plumb mad dog mean.
Yeah.... as mad as I've gotten (as mad as they've made me....and are still making me)....
I can relate. :smokin:
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If you can, get out of the way of it... And make a place for your family to come to. A refuge for those that can or will, is better than all y'all swept away by it. Jussayin. I would be SERIOUSLY looking for property in the Sierras, were I you.
Most of my old HS classmates are up in gold country now, as it seems most folks in my demographic are (bands from the 70s & 80s who are still touring don’t even stop in the Bay Area anymore, they do venues in the Sacramento area & Grass Valley) so I’ll have several options if it ever gets that bad.
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I love it too! Especially fond of Chief Dan George.
I guess I am fixin to go on a Clint Eastwood binge... That Dirty Harry "Go ahead punk... Make my day" thing has been rattlin around in my head... And the Spaghetti Westerns... Yep... I am fixin to go on a roll...
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I guess I am fixin to go on a Clint Eastwood binge... That Dirty Harry "Go ahead punk... Make my day" thing has been rattlin around in my head... And the Spaghetti Westerns... Yep... I am fixin to go on a roll...
And while you're at it.... you might want to re-watch the Charles Bronson Deathwish flicks (fits my mood right now). :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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Most of my old HS classmates are up in gold country now, as it seems most folks in my demographic are (bands from the 70s & 80s who are still touring don’t even stop in the Bay Area anymore, they do venues in the Sacramento area & Grass Valley) so I’ll have several options if it ever gets that bad.
BEFORE it gets bad... It's a thing... A place of refuge has to be prepared - That's before the fact. I'll tell you what... If sh*t goes sideways, you can bet money my whole fam damily will be flying low for the Rockies.Because this is the LAST place that will fall. And in that, I have 20 acres goin on, with another 100 coming, way out past the gravel and up on the two track, all the way the hell out of the way of it...And ain't nobody going up there in the holler but the hillbillies. I'll have crappy cabins on the corners... A place for everyone...
I see it coming, and I will do my best to provide. If it never turns out then I ain't lost much - I would rather be there anyhow, and a 'place for everyone' makes for a gathering at the camp every summer... so nothing is lost.
But if it comes, then I will have provided best I can, Good Lord willing... And they will have a place to come to... Worry about the rest after that. Sure would like a few more years to get the gardens growing,a couple milk cows set on schedule, the turkeys and chickens balanced out... Root cellars dug, and all that... But 'out of the way of it' may have to be good enough, and thank Yah for that much.
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And while you're at it.... you might want to re-watch the Charles Bronson Deathwish flicks (fits my mood right now). :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
*SIGH* I can see it already... I ain't gonna get nothing done this week... **nononono* :shrug:
:beer:
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BEFORE it gets bad... It's a thing... A place of refuge has to be prepared - That's before the fact. I'll tell you what... If sh*t goes sideways, you can bet money my whole fam damily will be flying low for the Rockies.Because this is the LAST place that will fall. And in that, I have 20 acres goin on, with another 100 coming, way out past the gravel and up on the two track, all the way the hell out of the way of it...And ain't nobody going up there in the holler but the hillbillies. I'll have crappy cabins on the corners... A place for everyone...
I see it coming, and I will do my best to provide. If it never turns out then I ain't lost much - I would rather be there anyhow, and a 'place for everyone' makes for a gathering at the camp every summer... so nothing is lost.
But if it comes, then I will have provided best I can, Good Lord willing... And they will have a place to come to... Worry about the rest after that. Sure would like a few more years to get the gardens growing,a couple milk cows set on schedule, the turkeys and chickens balanced out... Root cellars dug, and all that... But 'out of the way of it' may have to be good enough, and thank Yah for that much.
As good as that sounds I don't see how its an option for me - I have kids in the Bay Area and in the Seattle area. Plus I'm kinda pizzed off that I even have to consider leaving. I figure I'll end up going down like Charlton Heston in Khartoum.
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As good as that sounds I don't see how its an option for me - I have kids in the Bay Area and in the Seattle area. Plus I'm kinda pizzed off that I even have to consider leaving. I figure I'll end up going down like Charlton Heston in Khartoum.
And there's them Tetons, halfway the middle... Jussayin, might be nice waking up to coffee on the deck by a wild mountain lake every morning... Even if nothing comes of it all... :seeya: :beer:
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And there's them Tetons, halfway the middle... Jussayin, might be nice waking up to coffee on the deck by a wild mountain lake every morning... Even if nothing comes of it all... :seeya: :beer:
Well if it does I'll count on you messaging me your coordinates. We don't eat much. :patriot:
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My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas. Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.
:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
"Colorado" was Ayn Rand's place of refuge in "Atlas", too remote for an inept government to affect. Fiction writers create their own worlds to suit the purpose of their book. But in the real world of the US, there are no safe long-term refuges, and the more communities and states written off, surrendered to the crazies, the tighter and stronger the noose that will strangle the places of what will prove to be temporary and brief refuge.
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:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
My story is similar, 40 years back. Most of the folks I graduated with chose to move to Silicon Valley, while I remained in the Silicon Desert to stay near my aging parents. That's where I retired from, and my timing was very fortunate when it came to relocating to my new, smaller town.
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As good as that sounds I don't see how its an option for me - I have kids in the Bay Area and in the Seattle area. Plus I'm kinda pizzed off that I even have to consider leaving. I figure I'll end up going down like Charlton Heston in Khartoum.
Two years ago we sold our home to downsize and had considered moving to the Blue Ridge mountain area -- I decided I didn't want to leave family and our doctors that we've had for years. In hindsight right now I am kicking myself, we don't have the money nor in good health to leave right now. I'll be going down as well (but not without a fight).
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:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
"Colorado" was Ayn Rand's place of refuge in "Atlas", too remote for an inept government to affect. Fiction writers create their own worlds to suit the purpose of their book. But in the real world of the US, there are no safe long-term refuges, and the more communities and states written off, surrendered to the crazies, the tighter and stronger the noose that will strangle the places of what will prove to be temporary and brief refuge.
And that is why, in a nutshell (pardon expression...lol), moving from a leftie-leaning area.... or running away from it.... just won't work. No matter where you move 'to'.... sooner or later they're going to come where you are and force the issue (Leftism). So no, I'll stay and hunker down here and if it comes down to a fight for my life.... I may not be that great of a shot.... but I guarantee that I will take at least ONE of the azholes with me! That'll be one less leftie azhole that someone else would have to deal with.
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And that is why, in a nutshell (pardon expression...lol), moving from a leftie-leaning area.... or running away from it.... just won't work. No matter where you move 'to'.... sooner or later they're going to come where you are and force the issue (Leftism). So no, I'll stay and hunker down here and if it comes down to a fight for my life.... I may not be that great of a shot.... but I guarantee that I will take at least ONE of the azholes with me! That'll be one less leftie azhole that someone else would have to deal with.
My new digs has a much better clear fire zone around it than my old place in the 'Burbs. I'd much rather take them on here than there. YMMV.... :shrug:
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My new digs has a much better clear fire zone around it than my old place in the 'Burbs. I'd much rather take them on here than there. YMMV.... :shrug:
Do you have smoke bombs, tear gas, a few grenades .... for good measure? lol
If not, you still have some stocking up to do.
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Do you have smoke bombs, tear gas, a few grenades .... for good measure? lol
If not, you still have some stocking up to do.
Shhhhh!
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Shhhhh!
Oh....right. What was I thinking? Silly moi. 888mouth
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Oh....right. What was I thinking? Silly moi. 888mouth
If you could walk with me around the gravel lawn surrounding the Castle, you would fine the geology of my acre to be pretty daunting for somebody challenging it. It's a steep embankment that's 50-60 feet from the streets to the Castle, on 3 of the 4 sides. I tell people, "Yeah I have an acre, and most of it's vertical." :laugh:
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If you could walk with me around the gravel lawn surrounding the Castle, you would fine the geology of my acre to be pretty daunting for somebody challenging it. It's a steep embankment that's 50-60 feet from the streets to the Castle, on 3 of the 4 sides. I tell people, "Yeah I have an acre, and most of it's vertical." :laugh:
You have a nice view from the parapets. If or when TSHTF.... all you will need is "numbers" to man them. Sounds like a good plan.
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You have a nice view from the parapets. If or when TSHTF.... all you will need is "numbers" to man them. Sounds like a good plan.
Sounds about right. It's a good redoubt, but if things got really hairy I'd need some friends to man the parapets.
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Sounds about right. It's a good redoubt, but if things got really hairy I'd need some friends to man the parapets.
Burning oil from above does wonders...
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My point is... a lot of non-leftist folks are "stuck" in these leftist-run areas. Economically stuck, and moreso now than ever.
Financial is just one cost of the situation.
There are other costs to be taken into account, like servitude to zanies, the welfare of your kids, and lately physical safety from the mob, etc.
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Financial is just one cost of the situation.
There are other costs to be taken into account, like servitude to zanies, the welfare of your kids, and lately physical safety from the mob, etc.
At some point, it is like being in a burning building. Getting out alive is all that really, ultimately, counts.
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"parapets," "redoubts" -- that's why I read this board.
Love Vocabulary-building!
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"parapets," "redoubts" -- that's why I read this board.
Love Vocabulary-building!
Never use a $1 word when a $10 word will do. :laugh:
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Never use a $1 word when a $10 word will do. :laugh:
Shades of Spiro Agnew and Bill Buckley....
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Shades of Spiro Agnew and Bill Buckley....
WFB taught me the value of "just the right word," and R. Emmett Tyrell the value of a Rapier wit. From PJ O'Rourke I learnt the value of clever satire.
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WFB taught me the value of "just the right word," and R. Emmett Tyrell the value of a Rapier wit. From PJ O'Rourke I learnt the value of clever satire.
I have brain damage when it come to writing or speaking...
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At some point, it is like being in a burning building. Getting out alive is all that really, ultimately, counts.
So true. Lots of Jews in Germany found that out the hard way as they chose instead to try to preserve their assets rather than their lives.
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WFB taught me the value of "just the right word," and R. Emmett Tyrell the value of a Rapier wit. From PJ O'Rourke I learnt the value of clever satire.
Watching Firing Line, and WFB was my hero at age 11. Tells you how warped I was.
Fascinated in seeing someone with the ability to make someone else look that stupid.
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WFB taught me the value of "just the right word," and R. Emmett Tyrell the value of a Rapier wit. From PJ O'Rourke I learnt the value of clever satire.
You had good teachers, grasshopper.
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You had good teachers, grasshopper.
And Dave Barry when I need good belly laffs:
Dave Barry on electricity
SCIENCE and ELECTRICITY
by Dave Barry
TODAY'S SCIENTIFIC QUESTION IS: What in the world is electricity and
where does it go after it leaves the toaster?
Here is a simple experiment that will teach you an important electrical
lesson. On a cool day, scuff your feet along a carpet, then reach your
hand into a friend's mouth and touch one of his dental fillings. Did you
notice how your friend twitched violently and cried out in pain? This
teaches one that electricity can be a very powerful force, but we must
never use it to hurt others unless we need to learn an important lesson
about electricity.
It also illustrates how an electrical circut works. When you scuffed
your feet, you picked up batches of "electrons", which are very small
objects that carpet manufacturers weave into carpets so they will attract
dirt. The electrons travel through your bloodstream and collect in your
finger, where they form a spark that leaps to your friends filling, then
travel down to his feet and back into the carpet, thus completing the
circut. AMAZING ELECTRONIC FACT: If you scuffed your feet long enough
without touching anything, you would build up so many electrons that your
finger would explode. This is nothing to worry about unless you have
carpeting. Although we modern persons tend to take our electric lights,
radios, mixers, etc. for granted, hundreds of years ago people did not
have any of these things, which is just as well since there was no place to
plug them in. Then along came the first electrical pioneer, Benjamin
Franklin, who flew a kite in an electrical storm and received a serious
electrical shock. This proved that lightning was powered by the same force
as carpets, but it also damaged Franklin's brain so severely that he
started speaking only in incomprehensible maxims, such as "A penny saved is
a penny earned". Eventually he had to be given a job running the post
office. After Franklin came a herd of electrical pioneers whose names have
become part of our electrical terminology: Myron Volt, Mary Louise AMP,
James Watt, Bob Transformer, etc. These pioneers conducted many important
electrical experiments. Galvani discovered (this is the truth) that when
he attached two different kinds of metal to the leg of a frog, an
electrical current developed and the frog's leg kicked, even though it was
no longer attached to the frog, which was dead anyway. Galvani's discovery
led to enormous advances in amphibian medicine. Today skilled veterinary
surgeons can take a frog that has been seriously injured or killed, implant
pieces of metal in its muscles, and watch it hop back into the pond ...
almost. The greatest electrical pioneer of them all was Thomas Edison. He
was a brillian inventor despite the fact that he had little formal
education and lived in New Jersey. Edison's first major invention in 1877
was the phonograph. It could be found in thousands of american homes where
it sat until 1923 when the record was invented. Edison's greatest
achievment came in 1879 when he invented the electric company. Edison's
design was a brilliant adaptation of the simple electrical circut. The
electric company sends the electricity through a wire to the customer, then
immediately gets the electricity back through another wire. Then (this is
the brilliant part) they send it right back to the customer again. This
means that the electric company can sell a customer the same batch of
electricity thousands of times a day and never get caught, since very few
customers take the time to examine their electricity very closely. In
fact, the last year any NEW electricity was generated was 1937. Today,
thanks to men like Edison and Franklin, and frogs like Galvani's, we
receive almost unlimited benefits from electricity. In the past decade,
scientists have developed the laser, an electronic device so powerful that
it can vaporize a bulldozer at 2000 yards, yet so precise that doctors can
use it to perform delicate operations on the human eyeball, provided they
remember to change the power setting from "bulldozer" to "eyeball".
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And Dave Barry when I need good belly laffs:
Dave Barry on electricity
SCIENCE and ELECTRICITY
by Dave Barry
Barry was always fun, and Art Buchwald, when he was around...
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And Dave Barry when I need good belly laffs:
Dave Barry on electricity
SCIENCE and ELECTRICITY
by Dave Barry
Thank you @Cyber Liberty. Shared that one with Mrs. Hoodat. And the most beautiful sound in this world is the sound of her laughter.
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Thank you @Cyber Liberty. Shared that one with Mrs. Hoodat. And the most beautiful sound in this world is the sound of her laughter.
Just so long as you remember to adjust the power setting from "Incinerate Jeep" to "Perform Eye Surgery." Mrs. Liberty loves that one too, an oldie but goody.
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:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
"Colorado" was Ayn Rand's place of refuge in "Atlas", too remote for an inept government to affect. Fiction writers create their own worlds to suit the purpose of their book. But in the real world of the US, there are no safe long-term refuges, and the more communities and states written off, surrendered to the crazies, the tighter and stronger the noose that will strangle the places of what will prove to be temporary and brief refuge.
Can't write off the states, I agree.
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:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
"Colorado" was Ayn Rand's place of refuge in "Atlas", too remote for an inept government to affect. Fiction writers create their own worlds to suit the purpose of their book. But in the real world of the US, there are no safe long-term refuges, and the more communities and states written off, surrendered to the crazies, the tighter and stronger the noose that will strangle the places of what will prove to be temporary and brief refuge.
A good point. Besides, the crazies will never be satisfied with what they have.
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:seeya: 50 years ago while in high school I chose a promising career, electronics. 42 years ago I decided to move to Silicon Valley instead of the Boston or Houston areas because my aging parents lived just 120 miles or so from the San Jose area. Now, decades later, we're on the edge of SF-Oakland-Berserkeley-Crazy, a degree of crazy that was not foreseeable as recently 5 or 10 years ago, let alone 50 years ago when I chose my career path. So, yeah, 42 years of my life - home, family, church, doctors and dentists, etc. - is here. A time may come when we will move elsewhere, but right now I'd rather see this area turned around, away from the crazy. In my low-key way I contribute things that contribute to such a turn-around.
Writing off whole states because of its crazies - CA, NY, WA, MA, IL, OR ... where does the list end ... or more to the point, where does this list of written-off states become dominant over the whole nation - is the path to the whole nation being turned crazy.
"Colorado" was Ayn Rand's place of refuge in "Atlas", too remote for an inept government to affect. Fiction writers create their own worlds to suit the purpose of their book. But in the real world of the US, there are no safe long-term refuges, and the more communities and states written off, surrendered to the crazies, the tighter and stronger the noose that will strangle the places of what will prove to be temporary and brief refuge.
So true.
My son is thinking of moving to Bozeman, Mt and he told me it reminded him in some ways of Austin, Texas.
That is getting scary.
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So true.
My son is thinking of moving to Bozeman, Mt and he told me it reminded him in some ways of Austin, Texas.
That is getting scary.
I'm thinking of somewhere in rural Saskatchewan.
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I'm thinking of somewhere in rural Saskatchewan.
Crazy gun laws up there...jus' sayin' **nononono*
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Crazy gun laws up there...jus' sayin' **nononono*
And not very much freedom of speech.
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We should annex it then. FREE SASKATCHEWAN !!!!
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Oh, Screw the polls.
You want right, then put the blame where it belongs.
Why did this get out of hand?
Inaction by local police under orders from Town Councils, Mayors, and Governors who not only did not have their backs, but encouraged rioting and looting and 'giving protesters their room to express themselves'--those are the people whose job it was to stop this crap from day one.
They not only didn't put the brakes on, they sided with the 'protesters', looters, and rioters over ALL the other people and property they were supposed to be looking out for.
These are the people who enabled and encouraged lawlessness in the areas where they were supposed to be responsible for the law being upheld.
@Smokin Joe
And it was all done as an organized effort by the DNC to try to get Trump to overreact and send the troops in to bust heads.
The Dims were planning on using video tapes of soldiers and cops beating and shooting "innocent protesters" to show how incompetent Trump is!"
I know this pisses off the "law and order" types around here,but this is politics,and you win political battles by letting the other guy defeat himself by losing public support for allowing it to happen and doing nothing to prevent it.
Remember maybe the biggest "truism" in politics states that "ALL politics is local".
And slowly but surely,that is beginning to happen.
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I can't afford to "move out". And I suspect that I am not alone re: that.
@XenaLee
Wrong question. The question you need to ask yourself is "can I afford to stay?"
Just look at what happened to the middle-class homeowners in Detroit for an example. Many ended up just walking away from their homes because they couldn't sell them for any amount of money,and it was just too dangerous to continue living in them. Not to mention expensive,due to the increased taxes to pay for all the property damage and keep the city government afloat.
And after walking away from their homes AND THE ATTACHED MORTGAGES,they no longer have enough credit to buy another home.
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Unmarked mini-vans? Oh, the horror!
@Hoodat
I was afraid for a minute there that young studly fools were being kidnapped by soccer moms and turned into sex slaves.
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You keep proving.... that it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do, says or doesn't say....
you're going to be bashing and trashing him anyway. My only question is....
are you getting paid for this?
@XenaLee
Of course not!
Chelsea doesn't need the money.
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Yes, but.... they're not burning the entire cities down. You know that, right? They are only targeting symbols of the rule of law and democracy.... targets that they "think" equate to anti-antifa. And they will NEVER burn down Berkeley. It's their center of stupid.
@XenaLee
You can bet your bippy they are NOT burning down any houses in the neighborhoods where their parents live. These fools are the offsprung of their rich,radical hippy parents and nobody in the leadership has ever worked a day in their lives.
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I will not say too much as a response, because I like @XenaLee .
But no. They are targeting anything and everything. A Wendys hamburger stand is not 'against their cause'. A liquor store is not anti-antifa or anti-BLM. They are burning and destroying everything they can regardless of what it is. They don't care.
@240B
I can guarantee you that not a single one in the first or second tier of their leadership lives in,or anywhere near where they are starting the fires.
"Suffering is for the Proletariat!"
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Unmarked mini-vans? Oh, the horror!
It might be 40 years old now, but I think we now have a strategic use....
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--EP6lTkOM--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1470924562/production/designs/627373_1.jpg)
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It might be 40 years old now, but I think we now have a strategic use....
I seem to recall seeing this somewhere before.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wzfYVmYzzjQ/RlY8EBeL_LI/AAAAAAAAABw/9werdQNnOx8/s400/Stripes_450.jpg)
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@Smokin Joe
And it was all done as an organized effort by the DNC to try to get Trump to overreact and send the troops in to bust heads.
The Dims were planning on using video tapes of soldiers and cops beating and shooting "innocent protesters" to show how incompetent Trump is!"
I know this pisses off the "law and order" types around here,but this is politics,and you win political battles by letting the other guy defeat himself by losing public support for allowing it to happen and doing nothing to prevent it.
Remember maybe the biggest "truism" in politics states that "ALL politics is local".
And slowly but surely,that is beginning to happen.
They keep claiming that he is acting like a dictator, hoping he will act like one and he just keeps on following the Constitution. Driving them right up the wall.
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@Hoodat
I was afraid for a minute there that young studly fools were being kidnapped by soccer moms and turned into sex slaves.
BULL$HIT! You were hoping that was the case and getting ready to purchase a ticket on the next plane there. You are not fooling any of us Old man.
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BULL$HIT! You were hoping that was the case and getting ready to purchase a ticket on the next plane there. You are not fooling any of us Old man.
@verga
Well.........
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@Smokin Joe
And it was all done as an organized effort by the DNC to try to get Trump to overreact and send the troops in to bust heads.
The Dims were planning on using video tapes of soldiers and cops beating and shooting "innocent protesters" to show how incompetent Trump is!"
I know this pisses off the "law and order" types around here,but this is politics,and you win political battles by letting the other guy defeat himself by losing public support for allowing it to happen and doing nothing to prevent it.
Remember maybe the biggest "truism" in politics states that "ALL politics is local".
And slowly but surely,that is beginning to happen.
Yep. And for every angry wish that those in charge of those local jurisdictions had done their jobs, all that need be done is focus that white hot (is "white hot" racist?) beam of anger where it belongs, on the rioters, agitators, looters, arsonists and vandals, and their enablers in local and State government.
What Trump can do without providing the optics which will bring sympathy for the criminals and enablers, is being done. Subtle arrests of protagonists without fanfare for Federal Crimes, using Federal LEOs. When this is over, or at least closer to the election, he can possibly tout the number of arrests in contrast to the impotence of the locals, while saying he respected the autonomy of local and State Government.
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@Hoodat
I was afraid for a minute there that young studly fools were being kidnapped by soccer moms and turned into sex slaves.
Oh my! The 'Cougar Express'! :silly:
(geez, you'd think they'd just buy them a couple of drinks and invite them in...)
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It might be 40 years old now, but I think we now have a strategic use....
(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--EP6lTkOM--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1470924562/production/designs/627373_1.jpg)
Boom! Shaka laka laka, Boom! shaka laka laka....
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I seem to recall seeing this somewhere before.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wzfYVmYzzjQ/RlY8EBeL_LI/AAAAAAAAABw/9werdQNnOx8/s400/Stripes_450.jpg)
That's a Fact Jack!!!!!! :cool: