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New White House Petition to “Classify Refusal To Vaccinate Children As A Mental Disorder” Has 2,000+ Signatures
Melissa Melton
The Daily Sheeple
February 6th, 2015
People are just clamoring all over themselves to get other people’s rights taken away these days in this country. What the hell happened, America?
This new petition on White House.gov is even more ridiculous than the last one which asked to raise health insurance rates on families who don’t vaccinate. Now it’s just a request to straight up classify anyone who refuses to vaccinate their child as having a mental disorder.
petitionvaxmental
This one, unlike the other, has over 2,000 signatures in just a day.
It says:
Refusing to vaccinate one’s children is dangerous, not just to those children, but to the entire community. Moreover, the ‘anti-vaxxer’ belief that vaccines are linked to mental disorders is not supported by scientific evidence. This harmful, irrational belief should, itself, be classified as a mental disorder. President Obama, please direct Surgeon General Vivek Murthy to request that this disorder, to be called Jenny McCarthy Syndrome By Proxy, be added to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
Sigh.
Does this ignorant petition even deserve to be broken down on its fallacies? No. Not worth the time and effort.
Here’s a petition called, “Require all parents to vaccinate their children, or be charged with child endangerment.” It has 1,365 signatures.
There’s even a petition (only signed by the starter) asking to force vaccines on everyone and if anyone opts out, they are automatically segregated from society. That’s about how people are acting at this point… over measles. The same people who didn’t even bat an eyelid at the government’s ridiculous handling of Ebola.
Funny, for all the clamoring to steal the rights of people who do not want to vaccinate their children, the petition “PROHIBIT ANY LAWS MANDATING THE FORCE AND REQUIREMENT OF VACCINATIONS OF ANY KIND” has the most signatures of all, at 11,956.
Sadly, that’s just what California is about to try to do… attempt to take away parent’s rights to religious or personal belief exemptions. The number of kids who are homeschooled will likely skyrocket, then the state will probably attempt to make that illegal as well.
Medical tyranny sucks bad enough without a cast of characters straight out of Idiocracy championing it on, as if that will never come back to bite them in the ass as well… If you can’t object to something as basic as your own medical care, the government pretty much owns you. And apparently 2,000-plus people like to be owned.
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If the "anti-vaxxers" weren't such morons, there would be less desire to beat them about the heads with truncheons.
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If the "anti-vaxxers" weren't such morons, there would be less desire to beat them about the heads with truncheons.
And when the time comes to take away rights that you support, you can be sure that you'll be just as big a 'moron' as those you label as such...
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People are just clamoring all over themselves to get other people’s rights taken away these days in this country. What the hell happened, America?
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Martin Niemoller
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And when the time comes to take away rights that you support, you can be sure that you'll be just as big a 'moron' as those you label as such...
:amen: :amen: :amen:
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With my new status as a moron, may I add that without the right of conscientious objection in a future in which medicine has cracked the genetic code and government social planners through NIH, know what is best for society (yes, and, for you, too) —should scare hell out of you.
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With my new status as a moron, may I add that without the right of conscientious objection in a future in which medicine has cracked the genetic code and government social planners through NIH, know what is best for society (yes, and, for you, too) —should scare hell out of you.
The number of people on his site who would support exactly that does scare me.
Personal liberty is a rapidly disappearing freedom...
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The number of people on his site who would support exactly that does scare me.
Personal liberty is a rapidly disappearing freedom...
Nooooo, personal liberty is what you do on your land, in your house, with your self. Civic responsibility, what people seem to forget about, along with "their rights". You walk through a public place infected with your diseases, big problem.
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Nooooo, personal liberty is what you do on your land, in your house, with your self. Civic responsibility, what people seem to forget about, along with "their rights". You walk through a public place infected with your diseases, big problem.
That is what my parents taught me. Right came with responsibilities.
And that my rights extended to the reach of my arm. When the reach of my arm, contacts the reach of another's arm, we needed mechanisms as a civilized society, to resolve conflicts.
But those were parents who experienced the Depression, served in the military during real wars, and were grateful their children could be spared polio, by modern medicine.
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Rights, rights, rights.
No one ever mentions their co-joined twin: duties. Maybe if people talked about those more, a lot of the BS would disappear. :shrug:
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But those were parents who experienced the Depression, served in the military during real wars, and were grateful their children could be spared polio, by modern medicine.
What is that supposed to mean?
What exactly is an UNREAL war?
Understand you are proud of your family but you really need to get a grip...
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What is that supposed to mean?
What exactly is an UNREAL war?
Understand you are proud of your family but you really need to get a grip...
Any war then. Served your country, instead of feeling entitled to something from your country.
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Nooooo, personal liberty is what you do on your land, in your house, with your self. Civic responsibility, what people seem to forget about, along with "their rights". You walk through a public place infected with your diseases, big problem.
Nope. Personal liberty is how I walk every day wherever I go.
Nice try to restrict it...
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Rights, rights, rights.
No one ever mentions their co-joined twin: duties. Maybe if people talked about those more, a lot of the BS would disappear. :shrug:
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That is just stupid. Typical liberal move: psychologizing political dissent.
Vaccination is sufficiently important as a matter of public health that refusal should be permitted only in very narrow circumstances. That being said, while refusal might be equally stupid, it isn't a mental disorder.
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Nope. Personal liberty is how I walk every day wherever I go.
Nice try to restrict it...
WOW!!! A real life sovereignist!
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WOW!!! A real life sovereignist!
Better than letting others define your life...
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Better than letting others define your life...
I've just defined yours. No soup for you.
Later.
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Funny how all these personal liberty paragons here when it comes to vaccination - a real public health matter - become out and out fascists when it comes to gays - a non-public matter.
That sort of hypocrisy is worthy only of a liberal; it has no place on a conservative/right of center forum.
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I've just defined yours. No soup for you.
Later.
Yeah, and you defined it as a real life sovereign...
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Better than letting others define your life...
Dan, that is the sort of total bollocks I expect to see from some liberal arts major wasting time at college on Mommy's dime. Not from an adult family man with a reasonably firm grasp on the world.
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Dan, that is the sort of total bollocks I expect to see from some liberal arts major wasting time at college on Mommy's dime. Not from an adult family man with a reasonably firm grasp on the world.
If you don't support not letting others define your life, I don't really care what you expect EC...
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Funny how all these personal liberty paragons here when it comes to vaccination - a real public health matter - become out and out fascists when it comes to gays - a non-public matter.
That sort of hypocrisy is worthy only of a liberal; it has no place on a conservative/right of center forum.
:beer:
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I've just defined yours. No soup for you.
Later.
It's the utmost height of hypocrisy.
Wants to define the lives of others but refuses to have others define his life.
"There are rules for thee and then there are rules for me..."
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It's the utmost height of hypocrisy.
Wants to define the lives of others but refuses to have others define his life.
"There are rules for thee and then there are rules for me..."
He's ignored. Him dex and sink. 3 peas in a pod.
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He's ignored. Him dex and sink. 3 peas in a pod.
sink's a good guy.
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sink's a good guy.
He very well may be. I don't have patience people since my stroke though.
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Not to keep beating a dead horse but there is one aspect of this entire conversation that is missing.
If your child is sick, keep him/her home, that solves a lot of the issues. I cannot tell you how many times we had to treat pneumonia (no vaccine) and norovirus/etc because someone could not stand to take a few days away from their socialization and self gratification and make sure their kid was over their bug. I cannot imagine taking a child with the measles to Disney land. I will bet that was a really fun vacation.
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Not to keep beating a dead horse but there is one aspect of this entire conversation that is missing.
If your child is sick, keep him/her home, that solves a lot of the issues. I cannot tell you how many times we had to treat pneumonia (no vaccine) and norovirus/etc because someone could not stand to take a few days away from their socialization and self gratification and make sure their kid was over their bug. I cannot imagine taking a child with the measles to Disney land. I will bet that was a really fun vacation.
I figured that would go without saying, my good man. It was a bit before my time but didn't they used to quarantine the ill? But they got rights.
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Not to keep beating a dead horse but there is one aspect of this entire conversation that is missing.
If your child is sick, keep him/her home, that solves a lot of the issues. I cannot tell you how many times we had to treat pneumonia (no vaccine) and norovirus/etc because someone could not stand to take a few days away from their socialization and self gratification and make sure their kid was over their bug. I cannot imagine taking a child with the measles to Disney land. I will bet that was a really fun vacation.
Measles is highly contagious for days before the rash appears and days after it's gone.
The first symptoms are identical to a common cold.
Most people won't stay home from work or keep their kids home from school because of a runny nose.
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Measles is highly contagious for days before the rash appears and days after it's gone.
The first symptoms are identical to a common cold.
Most people won't stay home from work or keep their kids home from school because of a runny nose.
It's my understanding when I was a little boy back in the 1950's, you could 'catch' measles THREE TIMES before you were immune. Chicken pox...once.
If virtually the entire country is immunized...except the illegal immigrants flooding in...I don't see the 'problem'.
...except, when you cannot trust YOUR government to be telling the truth about ANYTHING.
I recall reading about a black-ops....no pun intended...back in my childhood, when it was discovered that American Negro soldiers were being purposefully injected with syphilis or some other horror...calling it an experiment decades later.
No reason why it couldn't be something sinister to further erode the Caucasian majority today. Yeah it sounds and reads, crazy, but this is the Obama Administration in charge, that we're talking about.
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Measles is highly contagious for days before the rash appears and days after it's gone.
The first symptoms are identical to a common cold.
Most people won't stay home from work or keep their kids home from school because of a runny nose.
Measles typically begins with
high fever,
cough,
runny nose (coryza), and
red, watery eyes (conjunctivitis).
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/signs-symptoms.html
If you kid has a fever, you don't go to school....
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Funny how all these personal liberty paragons here when it comes to vaccination - a real public health matter - become out and out fascists when it comes to gays - a non-public matter.
:thumbsup:
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What amazes me is how people, here and elsewhere, dig in so firmly and are unable to acknowledge valid points on either side.
- Vaccinations are integral to public health. Refusing proven safe vaccines is not only dangerous to the individual, it's dangerous to us all.
- Government dictating what you must put in your body is equally, if not more dangerous. Government is completely capable of demanding vaccines that aren't safe, for economic reasons. It's also a trip to that infamous slippery slope.
I think the constant lies, such as the twisting of climate change data, fuel mistrust of government and science. And there is the spectre of the dramatic increase in autism.
I see both sides, this is not a simple problem. As I side, both sides have valid concerns.
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What amazes me is how people, here and elsewhere, dig in so firmly and are unable to acknowledge valid points on either side.
- Vaccinations are integral to public health. Refusing proven safe vaccines is not only dangerous to the individual, it's dangerous to us all.
- Government dictating what you must put in your body is equally, if not more dangerous. Government is completely capable of demanding vaccines that aren't safe, for economic reasons. It's also a trip to that infamous slippery slope.
I think the constant lies, such as the twisting of climate change data, fuel mistrust of government and science. And there is the spectre of the dramatic increase in autism.
I see both sides, this is not a simple problem. As I side, both sides have valid concerns.
If autism rates were growing equally across the country, I might take anti-vax quacks a bit more seriously. They are not. That discussion is ended.
Conflating mistrust of government, a long-held, widely accepted attitude in America and the anti-vax quacks are two different things. I would let an instance of 9/11 Trutherism slither through my mind before even entertaining an anti-vaccary.
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If autism rates were growing equally across the country, I might take anti-vax quacks a bit more seriously. They are not. That discussion is ended.
Conflating mistrust of government, a long-held, widely accepted attitude in America and the anti-vax quacks are two different things. I would let an instance of 9/11 Trutherism slither through my mind before even entertaining an anti-vaccary.
Ahhhh, the science is settled then.
Well, done, Mr. Gore.
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bleep' A
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What amazes me is how people, here and elsewhere, dig in so firmly and are unable to acknowledge valid points on either side.
- Vaccinations are integral to public health. Refusing proven safe vaccines is not only dangerous to the individual, it's dangerous to us all.
- Government dictating what you must put in your body is equally, if not more dangerous. Government is completely capable of demanding vaccines that aren't safe, for economic reasons. It's also a trip to that infamous slippery slope.
I think the constant lies, such as the twisting of climate change data, fuel mistrust of government and science. And there is the spectre of the dramatic increase in autism.
I see both sides, this is not a simple problem. As I side, both sides have valid concerns.
Government shouldn't dictate what you should put into your body, but it can restrict you from doing things like attending public schools without being vaccinated.
Vaccinations were a condition of my migrating here.
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If autism rates were growing equally across the country, I might take anti-vax quacks a bit more seriously. They are not. That discussion is ended.
Conflating mistrust of government, a long-held, widely accepted attitude in America and the anti-vax quacks are two different things. I would let an instance of 9/11 Trutherism slither through my mind before even entertaining an anti-vaccary.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Not every child that's vaccinated develops autism but (mostly) every child who develops autism has been vaccinated, however many unvaccinated children develop autism (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/autism/fl/Unvaccinated-Children-with-Autism.htm).
The anti-vaccine crowd sport all the trappings of the conspiracy/truther/Illuminati true believers. Lack of proof constitutes proof of a greater conspiracy, and any and all studies and/or documents that disprove your theory is fabricated proof of a greater conspiracy.
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Correlation does not imply causation.
Not every child that's vaccinated develops autism but (mostly) every child who develops autism has been vaccinated, however many unvaccinated children develop autism (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/autism/fl/Unvaccinated-Children-with-Autism.htm).
The anti-vaccine crowd sport all the trappings of the conspiracy/truther/Illuminati true believers. Lack of proof constitutes proof of a greater conspiracy, and any and all studies and/or documents that disprove your theory is fabricated and proof of a greater conspiracy.
Correct about the cause/correlate.
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Correlation does not imply causation.
Not every child that's vaccinated develops autism but (mostly) every child who develops autism has been vaccinated, however many unvaccinated children develop autism (http://pediatrics.about.com/od/autism/fl/Unvaccinated-Children-with-Autism.htm).
The anti-vaccine crowd sport all the trappings of the conspiracy/truther/Illuminati true believers. Lack of proof constitutes proof of a greater conspiracy, and any and all studies and/or documents that disprove your theory is fabricated and proof of a greater conspiracy.
I find one aspect of this and other situations occurs partly because some cannot or will not understand statistics and probability.
You can get a higher education, and never study higher math or statistics and probability. Or logic.
Students of science, mathematics, medicine, engineering, business and accounting must all study statistics and probability.
Virtually everybody employs concepts of probability, when they drive on public roads. They rely on the chances of a collision being relatively small.
When I personally evaluate risks, I worry the MOST about other people, not about institutions and systems.
Example: Driving on public roads, I expect the roads to be well engineered and maintained. I expect the vehicles (mine and others) to be well engineered and maintained.
The biggest and most worrisome variable is the behavior of other drivers. Are they skilled, alert and sober?
I do NOT fear BIG medicine, or BIG pharma. I DO fear other humans who don't vaccinate, consistent with proven public health protocols. In relative terms, here in America today, herd immunity largely protects us all.
If this continues, eventually the numbers will catch up. Some anti-vaxxers will have killed their children, and word will get out.
When it comes to understanding statistics, probability and health outcomes, I'll trust public health physicians everytime, over kooks and quacks.
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Health officials recently reported the supply of flu vaccine is 38% effective against this year's strain of flu. However, they went on to say, you should continue to get vaccinated.....
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Webmd.com:
Percentage of the U.S. population that will get the flu, on average, each year: between 5% and 20%.
A regular case of the flu typically resolves after three to seven days for the majority of people, although cough and fatigue can persist for more than two weeks.
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From cdc.com:
While determining how well a flu vaccine works is challenging, in general, recent studies have supported the conclusion that flu vaccination benefits public health, especially when the flu vaccine is well matched to circulating flu viruses.
(Note: Public health is an aggregate construct. However, we are each singular. What benefits public health in achieving collective immunity, may not benefit you as an individual injected with poorly matched, tainted or mishandled vaccines at the thousands of flu-shot sites that have sprung up)
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A recent short article in Scientific American Mind called Flu Math looked at the following question: suppose you have a 5 percent chance of dying from a flu vaccine but a 10 percent chance of contracting and dying of the flu when an epidemic strikes. Do you .....
Flu Math (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-math/)
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Measles, Vaccines and Autism
Thomas Sowell
http://www.creators.com/print/conservative/thomas-sowell/measles-vaccines-and-autism.html
The current controversy over whether parents should be forced to have their children vaccinated for measles is one of the painful signs of our times. Measles was virtually wiped out in the United States, years ago. Why the resurgence of this disease now?
The short answer is that false claims, based on other false claims, led many parents to stop getting their children vaccinated against measles.
The key false claim was that the vaccine for measles caused an increase in autism. This claim was made in 1998 by a doctor writing in a distinguished British medical journal, so it is understandable that many parents took it seriously, and did not want to run the risk of having their child become autistic.
Fortunately, others took the claim seriously in a very different sense. They did massive studies involving half a million children in Denmark and two million children in Sweden. These studies showed that there was no higher incidence of autism among children who had been vaccinated than among children who had not been vaccinated.
Incidentally, the "evidence" on which the original claim that vaccines caused autism was based was just 12 children. But the campaign to convince the public was a masterpiece of propaganda.
The story line was that pharmaceutical companies who produced the vaccine were callously risking and sacrificing helpless children in pursuit of profit. This is the kind of dramatic stuff the media love. It never seemed to occur to the media that lawyers who were suing pharmaceutical companies had a vested interest in this story line that the media fed on to the public.
Unfortunately, it takes time to run careful scientific studies, involving vast numbers of children in different countries. That allowed the propaganda against vaccines to go on for years. Eventually, however, the results of the studies so completely discredited the claim that the measles vaccine caused autism that the medical journal which had published the article publicly repudiated it. The doctor who wrote the article had his license revoked.
By this time, however, there was a whole anti-vaccine movement, and crusading movements are seldom stopped by facts.
This was not the only false claim involved. What made that claim seem plausible was a highly publicized increase in the number of children diagnosed as being autistic or being "on the autism spectrum."
What was not so widely publicized was that the definition of "autism" had expanded over the years to include children who would never have been called autistic by the standards set up when autism was defined by its discoverer, Professor Leo Kanner of the Johns Hopkins medical school, back in 1943.
Professor Kanner fought against the expansion of the definition of autism but, after his death, the definition continued to expand — and the number of children who met the expanded definition greatly increased.
There were financial incentives for this expansion. Late-talking children, for example, could get government programs to pay for their treatment if they were designated as autistic or on the autism spectrum.
Despite headlines and hysteria about skyrocketing numbers of children diagnosed as autistic, the number of children who meet the original definition of autism has been relatively stable in recent years, at about one quarter of one percent of all children, according to Professor Stephen Camarata of the Vanderbilt University Medical Center, in his recent book, "Late-Talking Children."
It may be significant that the number of children regarded as mentally retarded has fallen by numbers similar to the rise in the number of children regarded as autistic. According to Professor Camarata, "This too suggests that changes in definitions and in diagnostic practices are contributing to the perceived 'epidemic' of autism."
Does this mean that vaccines are safe? In a categorical sense, nothing on the face of the earth is 100 percent safe — including going unvaccinated. But the claim that vaccines cause autism has been discredited by evidence.
Some say the decision to vaccinate or not should be the parents' choice. That would be fine if their child would live isolated from other children. But that is impossible.
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com. To find out more about Thomas Sowell and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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