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Dianne Feinstein Introduces Ban on 205 Different ‘Assault Weapons’
AWR Hawkins 12 Mar 2021
Following Thursday’s House passage of a Democrat gun control bill, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) introduced a ban on 205 “assault weapons.â€
The legislation, called the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2021,†is co-sponsored by 34 Senate Democrats. It would also ban ammunition magazines holding more than ten rounds.
Feinstein’s ban would allow current owners of “assault weapons†to retain possession of them, but if the gun is transferred, a person must undergo an FBI background check before receiving the firearm.
Her “Assault Weapons Ban†also bans bump stocks, which have been illegal since March 26, 2019.
Feinstein announced her ban stating:
It’s been 17 years since the original Assault Weapons Ban expired, and the plague of gun violence continues to grow in this country. To be clear, this bill saves lives. When it was in place from 1994-2004, gun massacres declined by 37 percent compared with the decade before. After the ban expired, the number of massacres rose by 183 percent.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/12/dianne-feinstein-introduces-ban-on-205-different-assault-weapons/
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So I take it if we're now banning assault weapons...knives...bricks and baseball bats will become illegal too.
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So I take it if we're now banning assault weapons...knives...bricks and baseball bats will become illegal too.
Don't forget bicycle helmets.
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Don't forget bicycle helmets.
And bicycles for that matter.
They've made the ban such a gray area it allows them to add anything they want to add as they see fit.
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And bicycles for that matter.
They've made the ban such a gray area it allows them to add anything they want to add as they see fit.
"Hand in your bicycles, Mr. and Mrs. Americans!"
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"Hand in your bicycles, Mr. and Mrs. Americans!"
Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
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Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
5.56 has a nice ring to it....
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Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
You can pick up a Vortex 1x6 Strike Eagle with what you have leftover.
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5.56 has a nice ring to it....
Yeah. Prolly.
A bit heavy for a coyote gun... A little, fast round, no bounce, double tap multiple targets before they are wise... A semi-auto is nice for that.
5.56 is gonna bounce a bit. But I can make it work.
Ain't decided yet... I have to find someone to pack the paper.
And I may just spend it on my overlanding rig. I intend to have that outfitted by late spring.
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You can pick up a Vortex 1x6 Strike Eagle with what you have leftover.
I am partial to a Shepherd P1, which has been on my favorite elk rig for some time now. Though all my big iron tends toward Leupold. And likely Leupold if I am honest. A Pacific NW company... It ain't beyond normal capabilities to get in the truck and go poke my finger in somebody's chest if necessary. I like that. Not that I will ever have a worry from Leupold.
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Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
Depends on they type and size of varmints you want to stop. :whistle:
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Depends on they type and size of varmints you want to stop. :whistle:
That kinda depends on likelihood and frequency... The only thing I REALLY need a semi-auto for is coyote. You get what you get on a call, and when you turn it on, you better be shooting fast, because you'll only get the one chance.
Same on a lay, though you can take your time a bit deciding the 'when'... Once you have 'when', it's all about right now. They won't be back.
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Only 205?
I suppose forks will be 206, on the slate for next year?
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Why in the world would anyone need an assault weapon anyways? :whistle: I think maybe she's being a tad paranoid. :shrug:
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Link to the Bill: https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/a/7/a77ca0d0-07b0-4cc1-8ce5-271997fe1947/063DD11B94F08E05113DFC5F9841B0C4.assault-weapons-ban-of-2021.pdf (https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/a/7/a77ca0d0-07b0-4cc1-8ce5-271997fe1947/063DD11B94F08E05113DFC5F9841B0C4.assault-weapons-ban-of-2021.pdf)
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Don't forget bicycle helmets.
And Skate boards
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Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
If you go with the .223 Wylde you can also use 5.56 as well.
Optics planet sells a real nice Vortex Vortex 6-24x50 Diamondback Tactical FFP Riflescope, 30mm Tube, EBR-2C MOA Reticle, Black, DBK-10028 it is going for $399 right now, but they sometimes have really good sales, or so I have heard.
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You can pick up a Vortex 1x6 Strike Eagle with what you have leftover.
I suggested the 6-24, but either way is good. GMTA
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I don't know of anyone that owns an "Assault Weapon". anyone I know that owns a fire arm uses it for defensive purposes or hunting. Hey ,maybe this is just aimed at the criminals.
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Just in the nick of time, Uncle Nanny is fixin to throw me 1400 bucks...
I have been thinking I will use that dough to join the ranks of AR owners...
They got em at the ranch store for around $750... A feller can certainly find decent optics out of what's left.
The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
I don't know of any AR-15s that handle the .243Win. There is the 6mm ARC. I didn't know about it when I picked up my first AR-15 so I went with the 6.5 Grendel.
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I don't know of anyone that owns an "Assault Weapon". anyone I know that owns a fire arm uses it for defensive purposes or hunting. Hey ,maybe this is just aimed at the criminals.
I don't know of anyone either. To me an "Assault Weapon" is a "Select Fire Weapon" that is smaller than a "Main Battle Rifle" Myself, my sons, and several of my fellow hunters own "Main Battle Rifles" that are used for hunting.
One of my shipmates owned a MAC-10 submachinegun. I wouldn't consider it an "Assault Weapon" as it wasn't select fire. His brother, a Dade Co. policeman carried a silenced MAC-11 submachinegun in a shoulder holster as his "Concealed Carry Weapon".
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I don't know of any AR-15s that handle the .243Win. There is the 6mm ARC. I didn't know about it when I picked up my first AR-15 so I went with the 6.5 Grendel.
243 more likely in an AR10 package
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If you go with the .223 Wylde you can also use 5.56 as well.
Huh? How do you mean? Because IIRC, They were offering two sizes at the counter... One was a critter-gitter caliber, like .223 or .243 - A suitable coyote round - And the other the 556... SO why 2 different rifles if you can do both?
Optics planet sells a real nice Vortex Vortex 6-24x50 Diamondback Tactical FFP Riflescope, 30mm Tube, EBR-2C MOA Reticle, Black, DBK-10028 it is going for $399 right now, but they sometimes have really good sales, or so I have heard.
Like I said, I am a little scared of short-range optics. I probably ought to go that way, as my eyes ain't so good no more... But I grew up hating on short optics - Nothing worse to me than hauling up the rifle and seeing nothing but hair. It is REAL brushy leaning to mixed brush in the woods here, so a brush gun, it's hard telling where you see something - from 30 yards on out to 150...So optics on a brush gun are not very useful.
But I am already rigged in big iron - Venison and elk up close are gonna be a lever gun, and mostly everything else is going to be a reach-out-and-touch-someone gun. And that's all high caliber and long optics (250+) So I am covered pretty well... so the thing I seem to want to justify is a short to midrange lay and wait rifle, for coyote and such, because in that rare instance, you get to pick your range.
I don't know of any AR-15s that handle the .243Win. There is the 6mm ARC. I didn't know about it when I picked up my first AR-15 so I went with the 6.5 Grendel.
I dunno... I wasn't paying much attention when I went through... 556 I am pretty sure of, but the other was one of them quick little waspy rounds... Registered on me as a coyote round and nothing more... So .223 if not .243... Beats me.
That fast, small caliber stuff ain't good for much else around here, except maybe deer in a grain field... For which I have other toys.
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Quote from: verga on Today at 09:45:33 AM
If you go with the .223 Wylde you can also use 5.56 as well.
Huh? How do you mean? Because IIRC, They were offering two sizes at the counter... One was a critter-gitter caliber, like .223 or .243 - A suitable coyote round - And the other the 556... SO why 2 different rifles if you can do both?
.223 Wylde chamber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Wylde_chamber
A .223 Wylde chamber is a hybrid rifle chamber designed to allow .22 caliber barrels to safely fire both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition. While the cartridge dimensions of both rounds are the same, 5.56 NATO loads produce pressures in excess of the .223 safe spec. The 5.56 chamber has angular differences that allow higher pressures safely. .223 can be fired from a 5.56 chamber safely but with reduced accuracy. The Wylde is a hybrid chamber designed to allow both ammunition types to be safely fired with good accuracy.
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The dilemma comes... do I want to set it up for varmints (a .243) or go the whole way? :pondering:
AR have so many choices now. Mine is a 7.62×39mm.
I wanted cheap ammo for a hog gun at 50~100 yd.
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Huh? How do you mean? Because IIRC, They were offering two sizes at the counter... One was a critter-gitter caliber, like .223 or .243 - A suitable coyote round - And the other the 556... SO why 2 different rifles if you can do both?
.223 Wylde chamber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Wylde_chamber
A .223 Wylde chamber is a hybrid rifle chamber designed to allow .22 caliber barrels to safely fire both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition. While the cartridge dimensions of both rounds are the same, 5.56 NATO loads produce pressures in excess of the .223 safe spec. The 5.56 chamber has angular differences that allow higher pressures safely. .223 can be fired from a 5.56 chamber safely but with reduced accuracy. The Wylde is a hybrid chamber designed to allow both ammunition types to be safely fired with good accuracy.
Thank you. Well ain't that something.
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Thank you. Well ain't that something.
Just in case you wanted yet another option to consider:
Review: Big Horn Armory AR500
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/8/8/review-big-horn-armory-ar500
(https://assets.americanrifleman.org/media/3669696/bha_ar500_1a.jpg)
I prefer more affordable ammo myself, back when we could find it.
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Just in case you wanted yet another option to consider:
Review: Big Horn Armory AR500
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I prefer more affordable ammo myself, back when we could find it.
HEY! Big Horn Armory... They're down in WY. W00t! :beer:
A FITTY? Woah. Yeah thanks... Kinda spendy... And I don't need big calibers very much - I have that covered.
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There is next to nothing for sale ammo wise down here. I bought a few hundred rounds in larger calibers a few years ago. Afraid to shoot it now, just gonna keep it in dry cool storage. Maybe about 10k 22 rounds to still practice with is about all.
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About the only thing plentiful is AK ammo and its expensive at 40c a round. I see a lot of M1 Carbine too, but its 60c a round, and more. But those are for Internet orders. When is that ability going to be taken away from us?
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There is next to nothing for sale ammo wise down here. I bought a few hundred rounds in larger calibers a few years ago. Afraid to shoot it now, just gonna keep it in dry cool storage. Maybe about 10k 22 rounds to still practice with is about all.
I've been standing in line at Academy Sports here every Friday and Monday because that's when they get their ammo in. It's hit or miss on what they have...but I have been able to increase my 9mm supply.
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Huh? How do you mean? Because IIRC, They were offering two sizes at the counter... One was a critter-gitter caliber, like .223 or .243 - A suitable coyote round - And the other the 556... SO why 2 different rifles if you can do both?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Wylde_chamber?scrlybrkr=b72753f5 A .223 Wylde chamber is a hybrid rifle chamber designed to allow .22 caliber barrels to safely fire both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition. While the cartridge dimensions of both rounds are the same, 5.56 NATO loads produce pressures in excess of the .223 safe spec. The 5.56 chamber has angular differences that allow higher pressures safely. .223 can be fired from a 5.56 chamber safely but with reduced accuracy. The Wylde is a hybrid chamber designed to allow both ammunition types to be safely fired with good accuracy.
Like I said, I am a little scared of short-range optics. I probably ought to go that way, as my eyes ain't so good no more... But I grew up hating on short optics - Nothing worse to me than hauling up the rifle and seeing nothing but hair. It is REAL brushy leaning to mixed brush in the woods here, so a brush gun, it's hard telling where you see something - from 30 yards on out to 150...So optics on a brush gun are not very useful.
That is the beauty of a variable powered scope. Keep it low for close distance, crank it up for farther away.
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I don't use scopes on any of my brush guns either. I'm a fan of large aperture peep sights for my non-scoped weapons. Now I scope all of my long range weapons. I did have a .22 that I scoped until I determined that it just wasn't accurate enough to warrant a scope. So off the scope came.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Wylde_chamber?scrlybrkr=b72753f5 A .223 Wylde chamber is a hybrid rifle chamber designed to allow .22 caliber barrels to safely fire both .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition. While the cartridge dimensions of both rounds are the same, 5.56 NATO loads produce pressures in excess of the .223 safe spec. The 5.56 chamber has angular differences that allow higher pressures safely. .223 can be fired from a 5.56 chamber safely but with reduced accuracy. The Wylde is a hybrid chamber designed to allow both ammunition types to be safely fired with good accuracy.
Thanks I got that, at least in general... In my head I have to convert that to 7mm which is a .283(IIRC) with a whackin wallop. That I am familiar with. I like a 7mm mag on a Rem700 frame for sheep and goat, and for antelope - all of which are rather delicate (well, not the Big Horn, but otherwise), and always a hella long shot. So a wee little bullet with a rocket on the back to get it all the way out there.
But that is also what lead me to the 300Win Mag - Way out there, that little bit more is enough to make a difference Certainly on something more durable (like an elk).
That is the beauty of a variable powered scope. Keep it low for close distance, crank it up for farther away.
Lay and wait, I get that... A coyote coming in to the bait... you have time for wigglin and adjusting things. But not in the bush. You get a clear shot for the blink of an eye and little more a lot of times. I have always found that to be a seat-of-the-pants thing.
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I don't use scopes on any of my brush guns either. I'm a fan of large aperture peep sights for my non-scoped weapons. Now I scope all of my long range weapons. I did have a .22 that I scoped until I determined that it just wasn't accurate enough to warrant a scope. So off the scope came.
yep. I am partial to open sights, with a Vernier or winchester ladder sight in reserve - which won't work well with a peep... But I must confess... I am already painting the dot with luminescent paint, and beginning to prefer light-gathering... If I have my reading glasses on I can see the dot, but nothing else... And open eye, I can see everything else, but not the dot.
It is a bother. :shrug:
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One of my shipmates owned a MAC-10 submachinegun. I wouldn't consider it an "Assault Weapon" as it wasn't select fire. His brother, a Dade Co. policeman carried a silenced MAC-11 submachinegun in a shoulder holster as his "Concealed Carry Weapon".
@Elderberry
They are both world-class fools,and if that cop hasn't already panicked and killed at least 2 kids,1 building,and 3 Buicks,his badge should be snatched from him today.
Mac-10's are excellent weapons if you want to shoot up a building from the inside,and/or impress all the gangsta wannabe's that you know,but ain't worth a damn for anything else.
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AR have so many choices now. Mine is a 7.62×39mm.
I wanted cheap ammo for a hog gun at 50~100 yd.
@thackney
I know nothing about the current AK quality,but if they are even semi-accurate,a semi-auto AK would make a fine hog gun in 7.62x39mm. Say what you will,the damn things were unbelievably reliable.
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Just in case you wanted yet another option to consider:
Review: Big Horn Armory AR500
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/8/8/review-big-horn-armory-ar500
(https://assets.americanrifleman.org/media/3669696/bha_ar500_1a.jpg)
I prefer more affordable ammo myself, back when we could find it.
@thackney
If you can afford the rifle,you can afford the ammunition.
All it,or any other rifle/handgun you get will do is kill what you are aiming at. With the proper bullet selection,pretty much anything will do out to 100 yards if you put the bullet where it needs to go.
Buy what you can afford to buy and shoot,and reload your own ammo so you can afford to shoot it often enough to be able to hit with it.
IMHO,things like accuracy,reliability,bullet design,and accuracy count more than anything else,provinding you aren't planning on going hippo hunting with a 22 short rimfire.
For hippos,I recommend a 105mm field gun hooked to a jeep for quick getaway if you miss.
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I don't use scopes on any of my brush guns either. I'm a fan of large aperture peep sights for my non-scoped weapons.
@Elderberry
Yeah,THAT!
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yep. I am partial to open sights, with a Vernier or winchester ladder sight in reserve - which won't work well with a peep... But I must confess... I am already painting the dot with luminescent paint, and beginning to prefer light-gathering... If I have my reading glasses on I can see the dot, but nothing else... And open eye, I can see everything else, but not the dot.
It is a bother. :shrug:
Getting older is not for wimps or sissies.
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Getting older is not for wimps or sissies.
@verga
True,but it ain't all bad. It teaches you to learn patience,and to accept that you have to make adjustments as you age.
For example,I won't ever be going AFTER someone again. I am just not that mobile. So I understand that IF it becomes necessary,I need to convince them to come after ME.
Plus it can be a lot of fun to jump up (ok,ok,slowly rise) and shout "SURPRISE!"
Saves me from all that walking stuff.
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Plus it can be a lot of fun to jump up (ok,ok,slowly rise) and shout "SURPRISE!"
Not the same. People just think you pooped yourself. :shrug: *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*
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Not the same. People just think you pooped yourself. :shrug: *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*
@roamer_1
PLEASE note I wrote "shout SURPRISE!"
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@roamer_1
PLEASE not I wrote "shout SURPRISE!"
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Thanks Pete. I needed that this morning. :beer:
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@verga
True,but it ain't all bad. It teaches you to learn patience,and to accept that you have to make adjustments as you age.
For example,I won't ever be going AFTER someone again. I am just not that mobile. So I understand that IF it becomes necessary,I need to convince them to come after ME.
Plus it can be a lot of fun to jump up (ok,ok,slowly rise) and shout "SURPRISE!"
Saves me from all that walking stuff.
:thumbsup: