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I guess I land more in the latter paragraph... The only defense against the left - and I do mean the only defense - IS the Right.

The reason the left is winning is because it has no opposition (which ought to be offered on the Right).
The Right should be doing battle (at the very least, figuratively) against the left.

Y'all are not. Y'all invite the left into the right.
To some degree that is natural.
But to this degree, the stench becomes unbearable.

When I am asked to vote for liberalism coming from the right, the answer will always be an adamant 'NO'.
Because the more the Right is allowed to drift left, the harder it will be to form an opposition - because the so-called right will be espousing the same doctrine as the left.

And that's where we are right now.
Y'all are so close to the left that I can't tell an appreciable difference.


And you're alright with that.
I am not.

And so it goes. That's what voting is for. Y'all go do your thing. It ain't my thing. If y'all want my help, you'll have to come a hella lot more to the right.

And don't supose you're fighting anything. Y'all are letting em in. Right through the front door.

 :amen:
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There are a few issues I agree with Bill Maher and Tulsi Gabbard on

I wouldn't vote for them, though.

Totally agree.   It doesn't mean you vote for people with whom you have a lot of disagreements.  It just means you are willing to work with people on specific issues where you happen to agree.   And that requires not permanently alienating them just because you disagree on other things.
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The difference between y'all and me is that I can accept the reality of a flawed candidate if the alternative is Joe Biden (or any Dem who will step in to build on what Biden has already destroyed). I can wait until the Republican ship can be turned back to more conservative tenets when the alternative means that Dems will be entrenched for so many years, the Republican party could end up as a footnote in the history books.

Y'all believe, for whatever reason, that 4 more years of Biden won't crumble the Republic. Either that or you believe that Trump would crumble it as much as Biden and that Republican/conservatives will live to right the ship. I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic. I'm just realistic. As I said before, because of my advanced age, I most likely won't have to witness the worst of it.

I guess I land more in the latter paragraph... The only defense against the left - and I do mean the only defense - IS the Right.

The reason the left is winning is because it has no opposition (which ought to be offered on the Right).
The Right should be doing battle (at the very least, figuratively) against the left.

Y'all are not. Y'all invite the left into the right.
To some degree that is natural.
But to this degree, the stench becomes unbearable.

When I am asked to vote for liberalism coming from the right, the answer will always be an adamant 'NO'.
Because the more the Right is allowed to drift left, the harder it will be to form an opposition - because the so-called right will be espousing the same doctrine as the left.

And that's where we are right now.
Y'all are so close to the left that I can't tell an appreciable difference.


And you're alright with that.
I am not.

And so it goes. That's what voting is for. Y'all go do your thing. It ain't my thing. If y'all want my help, you'll have to come a hella lot more to the right.

And don't supose you're fighting anything. Y'all are letting em in. Right through the front door.


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How can neither of you be interested in even discussing a new path that could actually lead to regional alliances, peace, security and prosperity for the Israeli people? 

I can't believe RiV, of all people, messed this up.

The one major foreign policy achievement of the Trump Administration, and maybe of all of his achievements the one most deserving of respect, was the Abraham Accords.  Trump and/or his team recognized that if you can't cut a reasonable deal with the unreasonable Palestinians, you just try to cut deals with everybody else in the region.  And it worked.   He essentially isolated the Palestinians from much of their Arabic support, and Saudi Arabia is even now very clearly still interested in maintaining positive relations with Israel.

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How do you equate continuing a doomed strategy with loving the Jewish people?

Precisely!  Which is why expecting Israel to continue the doomed strategy of just letting the Palestinians lob rockets into Israel, and launching terrorist attacks whenever the mood struck them, had to be abandoned.  Because it was a strategy that doomed the Jewish people.

What was needed instead was this new strategy of simply eliminating Hamas on the battlefield.   Just wipe it out in one brutal campaign so that the days of daily terrorism and rockets finally could be ended.

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Is this her daughter or niece or both?



Ilhan Omar’s Daughter Suspended from College for Involvement in Anti-Israel Encampment

Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar’s (D) daughter revealed that she was suspended from college for her involvement in a pro-Palestinian encampment at Columbia University.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/04/18/ilhan-omars-daughter-suspended-college-involvement-anti-israel-encampment/
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They know that's crap.   Absolute congressional immunity protects them from legal consequences of their actions with that committee.

Red meat for the base
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3 minutes ago
Half of new 96 jurors excused after saying they can't be fair and impartial
By Kyle Schnitzer

Half of the 96 prospective jurors who were introduced Wednesday were excused from serving in the Trump hush money trial after saying they couldn't be fair and impartial.

Justice Merchan welcomed a fresh batch of 96 jurors inside the Manhattan courtroom Wednesday morning, but 48 jurors were excused.

At least they openly admit this

Wasn't there a juror in the Chauvin trial who claimed he didn't pay that much attention to the Floyd/Chauvin case and got on the jury only to find later a photograph of him attending a BLM rally??
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US lobbying other UNSC members to block Palestinian statehood bid to avoid using veto

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-lobbying-other-unsc-members-to-block-palestinian-statehood-bid-to-avoid-using-veto/

Recognizing that blocking the initiative would expose it to criticism abroad by proponents of the move who say it helps actualize the two-state solution that the US purports to support, the Biden administration quietly tried to convince Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to shelve the UNSC bid, a Palestinian official told The Times of Israel, confirming reporting in the Axios news site.

Abbas rebuffed the US efforts, though, amid long-held frustration in Ramallah over what it views as Biden’s failure to sufficiently pressure Israel and refusal to follow-through on promises to reopen the US Consulate in Jerusalem and the PLO diplomatic mission in Washington.

Recognizing that Abbas would not heed its call, the US has worked to convince other Security Council countries to either abstain or oppose the Palestinian statehood bid, so that it isn’t forced to use its veto, the Palestinian official said.

More at link.
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Editorial/Opinion/Blogs / Re: 1938 and 2024: Whom do you stand with?
« Last post by Wingnut on Today at 10:45:47 pm »
How can neither of you be interested in even discussing a new path that could actually lead to regional alliances, peace, security and prosperity for the Israeli people?  How do you equate continuing a doomed strategy with loving the Jewish people?

@Wingnut  @mountaineer

Said by a Jew hating bitch.
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Palestinian president rejected U.S. requests to hold off on UN membership vote

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/17/un-palestine-membership-biden

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas rejected requests by the Biden administration to not move forward with a vote at the United Nations Security Council on accepting Palestine as a full member of the UN, four Palestinian, U.S. and Israeli officials told Axios.

The big picture: Tension, frustration and mistrust have been growing between the Abbas government and the Biden administration over the last three years. The Palestinian president sees the administration as not acting to push a two-state solution in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Driving the news: The UN Security Council is expected to vote as soon as Thursday on a draft resolution that would give Palestine full member status at the UN instead of its current observer status.

•   Gaining full member status — which would amount to the UN recognizing a Palestinian state — first requires nine votes to bring a resolution before the 15-member UN Security Council.

•   The council, which includes the U.S., would need to approve the application, and it would then have to receive at least two-thirds of General Assembly votes.

Behind the scenes: U.S. and Israeli officials said the Biden administration is trying to prevent the Palestinians from getting the nine votes so the U.S. won't have to veto the resolution.

•   A U.S. veto of such a resolution, especially amid the war in Gaza, would bring sharp criticism for Biden internationally and inside his own party, including with some of his supporters.

Between the lines: A U.S. official said the Biden administration has been exploring in recent months options for a possible recognition of Palestine, but not as a unilateral bid at the UN.

•   The official said the administration looked at scenarios of recognition as part of a wider regional deal that includes a post-war plan and normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Context: Two weeks ago, the Palestinian ambassador to the UN sent a letter to the UN secretary-general asking to renew the request for full membership at the UN for Palestine.

•   After the Palestinian request, the UN Security Council formed a committee to discuss it and issue an opinion.

•   The committee presented its report on Tuesday and said the 15 council members are divided regarding the question of whether they should recommend accepting Palestine as a full member of the organization, according to a copy of the report.

Over the last two weeks, the Biden administration has been pressing Abbas and his advisers to back off from their request, U.S., Israeli and Palestinian officials say.

•   Secretary of State Antony Blinken raised the issue directly in a phone call with Abbas, and other U.S. officials raised it with their Palestinian counterparts almost every day in the last two weeks, Palestinian and U.S. officials say.

•   The Biden administration made clear to the Palestinians that current U.S. law compels the administration to veto such a resolution or defund the UN, a U.S. official said.

According to the officials, Abbas rejected the U.S. pressure and his aides told the Biden administration they are moving forward with the vote.

•   A senior Palestinian official said the Biden administration asked whether Abbas would suspend the bid if he is invited to meet with Biden at the White House.

•   The Palestinian official said Abbas rejected this trade-off and said he agreed to such a U.S. proposal a year ago but never got an invitation.

•   U.S. officials admitted they failed in convincing the Palestinians to suspend their UN bid.

More at link.
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