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General Category => World News => Topic started by: Right_in_Virginia on May 26, 2021, 07:33:47 pm
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They Were Only Children
NY Times, May 26, 2021
When asked to describe how they felt, many parents answered with a simple “It’s God’s will,” their voice often reduced to a whisper, the words conveying resignation. They said their children had wanted to be doctors, artists and leaders.
“I’m in disbelief,” said Saad Asaliya, a taxi driver from Jabaliya, who lost his 10-year-old daughter. “I try to calm myself by saying it was God’s will for her to go.”
During 11 days of fighting this month between Israel and Hamas, at least 66 children under age 18 were killed in Gaza and 2 in Israel, according to initial reports.
These are the children who died.
More: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/26/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-children.html
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Human shields. Damn shame that Hamas kills their own children.
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Human shields. Damn shame that Hamas kills their own children.
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Nearly all of the children killed were Palestinian.
Gaza is crowded and its population skews young, with about half under age 18. So when Israeli warplanes hit homes and residential neighborhoods, the number of children at risk is extraordinary. Sometimes nearly entire households disappear with a single blast.
Israel blames Hamas for the high civilian death toll in Gaza because the group fires rockets and conducts military operations from civilian areas. Israel’s critics cite the death toll as evidence that Israel’s strikes were indiscriminate and disproportionate.
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On May 19, the day before Israel and Hamas agreed to a cease-fire, Dima Asaliya, 10, was walking home from her older sister’s house carrying an electric pizza oven. It was a small one, her father, Saad Asaliyah, said, the size of a soccer ball, that the family used to bake bread.
An Israeli surveillance drone had been hovering overhead, and Mr. Asaliyah now wonders if Israeli soldiers mistook it for a weapon.
“Maybe their alarms went off because of the stove,” he said. “But did they not see how small she was?”
There was an explosion, and his youngest child was gone.
“Do you see her picture?” he asked. “She’s worthy of our grief.”
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Once the war started, Ido Avigal, 5, was so anxious that he did not want to sleep, shower or eat alone, said Shani Avigal, his mother.
When sirens started blaring in Sderot, Israel, he huddled with his family in a fortified safe room at his aunt’s home. But when a rocket hit a nearby building, shrapnel punctured the thick glass of the safe room, tearing into his stomach and killing him.
Ms. Avigal said her son was caring and loving, and had recently told his classmates that “not all Arabs are bad.”
“I said they all don’t want to kill us,” he told his mother. “I eventually convinced them.”
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What I'd expect from the New York Whateveritis.
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I have zero sympathy for the Arab Pali "parents" who let Hamas use their children and families as human shields.
Nor do I have patience for the monumentally dumb idea that Israel would risk a highly trained pilot and plane or waste a missile trying to take out civilians who have zero military value.
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I have zero sympathy for the Arab Pali "parents" who let Hamas use their children and families as human shields.
Where are parents and their children to go? It is a small geographical area just 25 miles long and 7.5 miles at its widest with 2.1 million people. No bomb shelters have been approved so they do not exist. In Gaza, civilians have home, school, hospital or the street for protection in one of the most densely populated areas on Earth.
(https://media.npr.org/news/specials/gaza/middleeast_gaza_map200-4cc6f47550bd5f78439a1c1b3ad6092d0f023921-s300-c85.webp)
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Islam is a culture of death.
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Where are parents and their children to go? It is a small geographical area just 25 miles long and 7.5 miles at its widest with 2.1 million people. No bomb shelters have been approved so they do not exist. In Gaza, civilians have home, school, hospital or the street for protection in one of the most densely populated areas on Earth.
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That is the choice they should be forcing on Hamas. Or maybe just force Hamas out of their residential neighborhoods, schools, and hospitals.
The Arab Palis do not have a legitimate cause, and the means they use - using civilians and civilian facilities as shields - is criminal.
Israel, OTOH, being a sovereign nation, has the right to defend itself, and while they are obligated to take measures to minimize civilian casualties - and do! - they are not obligated to do so perfectly.
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Hamas purposely places itself in civilian areas to use locals as human shields. To nutralize Hamas' threat to all civilians, Isreal has to risk harm to civilians.
After Hamas attacks Israel, and Israel defends itself, Hamas uses the unfortunate deaths of civilians, especially children, as anti-Israeli propaganda.
Hamas doesn't give a damn about Gazans. Hamas is an asymmetrical warfare unit of the Iranian military. Gazans are pawns in Iran's attempt to establish Iranian hegemony over the Middle East.
Hamas has missiles. Have they built schools, hospitals, power plants, water treatment plants, or anything else to improve the quality of life in Gaza? No. Hamas' priority is the destruction of Israel, not the governence of Gaza.
Gazans would do themselves a favor to rid themselves of Hamas. Then, maybe, life would be able to improve for Gazans. Gaza, are you better off now than you were before Hamas took over?
What would you do if the people below were your nextdoor neighbors?
(https://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/n_670_395/public/2018/03/25/1139936-1353666255.jpg?itok=WJoJt9Tn)
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The anti-Israel brigade weighs in.
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The anti-Israel brigade weighs in.
Like the world- renowned anti-semite, David Ben-Gurion, who later in his life advised Israel to give back the occupied land, or Israel would never know peace, never know security, never know true acceptance? @Cyber Liberty
Or the "anti-Israel brigade" who pleads with Israel to make lasting peace before "peace" is thrust upon her? The brigade that reminds Israel it's absurd to lose the world to keep 26 miles of territory under her control?
Or are you calling the brigade "anti-Israel" that tells Israel to stop being her own worst enemy by diddling around with occupied territory she's no intention of annexing? ---
Why would you malign people who want Israel to be free of the occupation and able to build -- without constraint or interruption -- on renewed friendships to strenghten a local coalition against Iran, because THIS -- not more dead Gazans -- will make Israel secure?
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I'd settle for supporting Israel's fighting back after 3-4,000 Iranian-supplied missiles rained down on her civilians. I don't even get that sometimes.
Instead I get "Yes, Israel is fighting back! BUT.....
Israel started it all by existing. Those poor, put upon Palestinians.
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I'd settle for supporting Israel's fighting back after 3-4,000 Iranian-supplied missiles rained down on her civilians. I don't even get that sometimes.s.
Are you not the least bit interested in finding a way to make the 4,000 Iranian supplied missle stop -- for real and for good?
It's been 54 years since the capture of the territories without annexation and 34 years since the first Palestinian Intifada. When is okay to ask -- without being labeled "anti-Israel -- if there isn't a better way for Israel to achieve peace and security?
(For those waiting for the military cleansing of Palestinians from the territories --- give it up. It is impossible for Israel to do this --- presicisely because she is the world's Jewish State.)
What are your options for ending this repetitive, disruptive, debilitating and dehumanizing cyle of war @Cyber Liberty
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Are you not the least bit interested in finding a way to make the 4,000 Iranian supplied missle stop -- for real and for good?
It's been 54 years since the capture of the territories without annexation and 34 years since the first Palestinian Intifada. When is okay to ask -- without being labeled "anti-Israel -- if there isn't a better way for Israel to achieve peace and security?
(For those waiting for the military cleansing of Palestinians from the territories --- give it up. It is impossible for Israel to do this --- presicisely because she is the world's Jewish State.)
What are your options for ending this repetitive, disruptive, debilitating and dehumanizing cyle of war @Cyber Liberty
Annihilate the Palistineans until they beg Israel (by Unconditional Surrender) to stop would be a start. If they do that, then Israel can annex Gaza and the West Bank while remaining a majority-Jewish country.
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Maybe the people living in Gaza should stop allowing their land to be used as a rocket launching pad for terrorists intent on killing children.
Hmmmm?
I'm glad that 33 times more children in Gaza were killed than in Israel. If the Gaza people don't like seeing their children killed, they should stop supporting the murder of someone else's children.
Those who seek death for others shouldn't complain when death finds them.
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Human shields. Damn shame that Hamas kills their own children.
Think of it as evolution in action. Bad genes are being removed.
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A greater mind than mine once pointed out that if Israel ever wants peace from the Moslems, they will have to kill them all.
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Annihilate the Palistineans until they beg Israel (by Unconditional Surrender) to stop would be a start.
And then what? Israel's charged with war crimes and the Biden administration abstains? Iran and Hezbollah take out the iron dome capabilities? The UN sends peacekeeping troops to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank? They're itching to do this @Cyber Liberty
Uner your scenario Israel will lose even though she wins. How's that going to work for you?
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And then what? Israel's charged with war crimes and the Biden administration abstains? Iran and Hezbollah take out the iron dome? The UN sends peacekeeping troops to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank? They're itching to do this @Cyber Liberty
Uner your scenario Israel will lose even though she wins. How's that going to work for you?
I'd settle for people to stop bitching when Israel has to defend herself from wild animals.
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I'd settle for people to stop bitching when Israel has to defend herself .
What about the occupation @Cyber Liberty ? Do you see anyplace this fits in Israel's need to defend herself?
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Everyone should keep in mind that Palestinians do not "accidentally" kill Israeli children.
Palestinians target schools, hospitals, and children intentionally.
Before Israel built the protective wall, Palestinians routinely conducted raids on kindergartens and schools to kill children. They said they wanted to 'demoralize' Israelis by killing their children.
On the other hand, I have seen Israeli forces cancel or halt an attack if they saw that Palestinian children may be caught up in it. I have seen Palestinian men hold their children in front of them as a 'literal' shield because they knew Israelis would not fire. And there have been cases during the intifada where Palestinians would empty morgues of children and others to throw the bodies on top of rubble (along with stuffed animals and toys) after an Israeli airstrike.
Also, Palestinians will kill their own people, including children, if they can blame it on Israel somehow. They call them, "martyrs for Allah".
Nothing Arabs say can be trusted in time of conflict. 'Lying' to an enemy is not only permissible in Islam, it is actually a revered Islamic war tactic.
In particular, Islamists are famous for negotiating a 'truce' or 'peace', and then they attack later when they are ready. This is even in their folklore.
A moderate Muslim, is a Muslim who has run out of ammunition.
This is all based on my experiences during years in the Middle East.
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What about the occupation @Cyber Liberty ? Do you see anyplace this fits in Israel's need to defend herself?
Yes it does. They aren't doing enough of it. If Israel assumes the pre-67 borders, then they will assume room temperature shortly after.
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Yes it does. They aren't doing enough of it. If Israel assumes the pre-67 borders, then they will assume room temperature shortly after.
This is one school of thought.
As I've said before, I've enormous respect and admiration for the PR branch of the Israeli government ... truly. :hattip:
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This is one school of thought.
As I've said before, I've enormous respect and admiration for the PR branch of the Israeli government ... truly. :hattip:
It is world-class. It has to be, considering the other peoples of the world have spent over two millennia competing with each other to see who can kill off the Jews first.
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A greater mind than mine once pointed out that if Israel ever wants peace from the Moslems, they will have to kill them all.
I hope you're not waiting for a Jew to order other Jews to carry out a genocide. You'll have a very long wait.
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A greater mind than mine once pointed out that if Israel ever wants peace from the Moslems, they will have to kill them all.
Well, of course. But we all know that won't happen.
The response to any terrorist attack should be swift and painful enough to make the aggressor sue for peace.
In the Middle East, the Russians would mail body pieces...heads, ears and fingers from the families of the Jihadists who kidnapped/captured their soldiers. No futzing around.
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Since the Balfour Agreement was written, the Palestinians have been committed to but one outcome, the complete destruction/death of every Jew in the territory. Nothing has changed in 100 years, except, after repeated coordinated attacks by the islamic states to destroy Israel, they have failed miserably, despite having far superior numbers in armament.
Israel is fighting for their lives, every day since their founding. 4,000 or 5,000 rockets launched by Hamas is a definite act of war, declaration of war. Israel's response has been exceedingly controlled. Had I been Netanyahu, there would be 1 million dead Palestinians and more dying every day. Until Israel vanquishes the Palestinians, there will never be peace in the middle east.
And when Iran achieves their mission of developing nuclear weapons, they will launch them on Israel. That is as certain as death and taxes. So when that day arrives, and it is NOT far off, what choice will Israel have?
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I agree that ain't gonna pappen, for exactly the reason @Right_in_Virginia says. No genecide. I'd settle for shooting enough of them to make them surrender unconditionally. We never considered a "ceasefire" with Japan, so why do we keep forcing Israel to accept one?
President Trump would have let Israel shoot it out, and the Animalstinians knew this.
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I agree that ain't gonna pappen, for exactly the reason @Right_in_Virginia says. No genecide. I'd settle for shooting enough of them to make them surrender unconditionally. We never considered a "ceasefire" with Japan, so why do we keep forcing Israel to accept one?
President Trump would have let Israel shoot it out, and the Animalstinians knew this.
Nor with Germany, but we killed a whole lot of innocent Japanese and German children via aerial bombardment, while neither of those countries was raining missiles onto US cities.
I'm sure the living conditions in the Gaza strip are very bad and lots of the people stuck there are innocent of any action against Israel. But they voted in an authority, and they continue to allow an authority, whose entire existential purpose is the destruction of Israel. And that violent hostility toward Israel is the *cause of*, not the result of, the forced isolation of the strip.
I don't understand how ceding territory to a people who regularly vow to exterminate them can help the Israelis make peace.
Serious props to Trump for his policy in the Middle East.
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RinVa portends:
"The UN sends peacekeeping troops to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank?"
We'll see how long "UN peacekeeping troops" last in Israel.
Or even... trying to GET INTO Israel.
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RinVa portends:
"The UN sends peacekeeping troops to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank?"
We'll see how long "UN peacekeeping troops" last in Israel.
Or even... trying to GET INTO Israel.
The same with Gaza and the West Bank.
All the Palestinians see is more human shields to put in front of their rocket attacks.
As soon as Hamas considers the U.N. troops to be an interference, they would hesitate about half a second before killing them.
Then they would struggle finding some way to blame the deaths on Israel.
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The anti-Israel brigade weighs in.
And children (and other civilians) killed by rocket attacks in Israel? Don't they count?
I have an idea.
If Hamas would stop launching rockets at Israeli civilians, maybe Israel wouldn't find it necessary to strike the launch sites?
How hard is that?
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Some Arabs hate Israel more than they love their children.
That's what it comes down to.
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Some Arabs hate Israel more then they love their children.
That's what it comes down to.
--Golda Meir?
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I hope you're not waiting for a Jew to order other Jews to carry out a genocide. You'll have a very long wait.
They collaborated in Warsaw, they collaborated in France, so there's precedent.
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Where are parents and their children to go? It is a small geographical area just 25 miles long and 7.5 miles at its widest with 2.1 million people. No bomb shelters have been approved so they do not exist. In Gaza, civilians have home, school, hospital or the street for protection in one of the most densely populated areas on Earth.
(https://media.npr.org/news/specials/gaza/middleeast_gaza_map200-4cc6f47550bd5f78439a1c1b3ad6092d0f023921-s300-c85.webp)
I KNOW!!!!
Back in the '70s the police used to advertise on TV a Turn In A Pusher Hotline, TIP line.
Israel should implement a Turn In A Terrorist, or TIT Line for Gaza.
But if the people living Gaza (the Gazians, not the "Palestinians"), want their neighborhoods crowded with terrorists, then they can die with the terrorists. So long as the terrorists wind up as pig food, what's the real problem here?
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Are you not the least bit interested in finding a way to make the 4,000 Iranian supplied missle stop -- for real and for good?
I know how to make that stop.
A single W80 airburst over Tehran should do the trick.
It isn't like anyone would miss the place.
I don't plan on going there, so blow it up, I'll never see the hole.
It's been 54 years since the capture of the territories without annexation and 34 years since the first Palestinian Intifada. When is okay to ask -- without being labeled "anti-Israel -- if there isn't a better way for Israel to achieve peace and security?
When the terrorists are all dead, they'll be at peace...and in pieces, hopefully.
Israel has a right to exist. Those "occupied territories"? They're part of Israel. Israel responding to domestic terrorism, rocket attacks on Israeli children, are completely justified in the level of force they choose to employ within their own borders.
Just like Taiwan is really an independent nation, and not part of the ChiCom Empire, Gaza is a district in Israel.
Maybe if the rest of world started accepting those REALITIES, things would start to settle down in the Middle East.
Naturally, we all know why the terrorist-exporting countries of the Middle East want to continue to inflame the antagonisms between the factions living inside Israel. By keeping the artificial hatred of Israel so high, the terrorism-exporting countries get to focus the attention of their serfs on something besides the causes of their own misery.
Israel is the world's most popular squirrel.
Israel knows the rockets came from Iran.
Iran should pay a blood price for the death of Israeli children, including those killed in the Gaza region of Israel.
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Since the Balfour Agreement was written, the Palestinians have been committed to but one outcome, the complete destruction/death of every Jew in the territory. Nothing has changed in 100 years, except, after repeated coordinated attacks by the islamic states to destroy Israel, they have failed miserably, despite having far superior numbers in armament.
Israel is fighting for their lives, every day since their founding. 4,000 or 5,000 rockets launched by Hamas is a definite act of war, declaration of war. Israel's response has been exceedingly controlled. Had I been Netanyahu, there would be 1 million dead Palestinians and more dying every day. Until Israel vanquishes the Palestinians, there will never be peace in the middle east.
And when Iran achieves their mission of developing nuclear weapons, they will launch them on Israel. That is as certain as death and taxes. So when that day arrives, and it is NOT far off, what choice will Israel have?
I doubt if the Iranians will commit suicide by MAD.
Aaaannnndd....if Israel figures it's going to be annihilated by nuclear fire, they'll wipe out Mecca, Riyadh and the other terrorist capitals in the ME.
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This is one school of thought.
As I've said before, I've enormous respect and admiration for the PR branch of the Israeli government ... truly. :hattip:
@Right_in_Virginia, you're saying that people who disagree with you about Israel are part of "the PR branch of the Israeli government"? Well, that would win a prize for creative ad hominem if such a prize existed.
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Insinuating that @Cyber Liberty is a paid employee or contractor for the Israeli government - that's the only reasonable interpretation of "the PR branch of the Israeli government" - was not an insult? Are you serious?!
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@Right_in_Virginia, you're saying that people who disagree with you about Israel are part of "the PR branch of the Israeli government"? Well, that would win a prize for creative ad hominem if such a prize existed.
Interesting @PeteS in CA I see your point even though it wasn't mine. If I insulted you, I apologize -- it wasn't my intent.
I don't consider public relations a bad thing--- it's important messenging. I think Israel is extraordinarily good at this.
Where Israel has been particularly effective is in erasing the link between Palestinian uprisings and a 54 year Israeli occupation. When Netanyahu said "911 has been very good for Israel" back in 2008, this is what he meant. 911 allowed those once considered some version of freedom fighters to be lumped in with the jihadists who attacked us in 2001 --- creating one of the most emotionally laden bonds between two countries in modern history and erasing any righteousness the Palestinians had in its cause. It was brilliant.
I also give Israel credit for defining the Palestinians affected by the Nakba in 1948 -- and their offspring -- as animals; who hate Jews more than they love their children. We seem to forget that before the early 20th Century, Arabs and Semetic Jews lived side by side in Palestine -- in peace. What the Palestinians considered an invasion by European Zionists changed this. The Arabs you call animals, Ms. Meir, were not okay with being thrown out of their homes for an army of Ukranians.
And being thrown our of their homes is also happening today in the West Bank. This was the trigger for the latest war with Gaza.
We don't talk about this -- any of this -- and it's thanks to a superior and effective PR campaign.
But I think this PR campaign is close to running its course. The global generation taking the reins of power do not share an emotional link with Israel and they are adding the words "occupied territories" back into the equation of cause and effect. The flood of "refugees" from the Middle East are not afraid to shout "we are not animals" --- and this is not without some success.
Israel has been a nation state for 73 years. The Palestinians are not going to wipe Israel off the map. That torch has been grabbed by the Iranians. As I posted upthread, it's time for Israel to stop diddling around over 26 miles of territory and fortify a local coalition against Iran's agression. Israel should get the occupied territories off its back and focus on Iran. They're the ones preparing to kill them.
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Insinuating that @Cyber Liberty is a paid employee or contractor for the Israeli government - that's the only reasonable interpretation of "the PR branch of the Israeli government" - was not an insult? Are you serious?!
I hope the check doesn't bounce. I need the Sheckels. That Hybrid battery really set me back. :whistle:
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The Palis fire those rockets from neighborhoods to maximize the number of children killed. The children that die, the better it is for Hamas.
You can't negotiate peace with these people. They have no interest in it. They only desire their children be killed
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The Palis fire those rockets from neighborhoods to maximize the number of children killed. The children that die, the better it is for Hamas. You can't negotiate peace with these people. They have no interest in it. They only desire their children be killed
Thank you for proving my point @Restored
Enjoy the holiday weekend. :beer: :patriot:
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My Gigolo days are over, where do I sign up?
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Insinuating that @Cyber Liberty is a paid employee or contractor for the Israeli government - that's the only reasonable interpretation of "the PR branch of the Israeli government" - was not an insult? Are you serious?!
I never insinuted @Cyber Liberty was a paid contractor for Israel's PR department @PeteS in CA :laugh:
The only possible insult in my opinion is that Americans, in particular, have been the target of Israel's public relations campaign, and by and large, it has worked.
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I never insinuted @Cyber Liberty was a paid contractor for Israel's PR department @PeteS in CA :laugh:
The only possible insult in my opinion is that Americans, in particular, have been the target of Israel's public relations campaign, and by and large, it has worked.
Well, I can't disagree, but Americans have also been the target of public relations campaigns conducted by the frontmen for the "religion of peace" that fund these terrorist organizations as well.
Part of that propaganda included hauling cadavers of kids around in a refrigerated truck and emplacing the bodies of children for photo ops with "Green Helmet Guy" who seemed to be at every disastrous artillery or air strike scene.https://canadafreepress.com/article/green-helmet-guy-now-working-for-hamas (https://canadafreepress.com/article/green-helmet-guy-now-working-for-hamas) (He's not just in Lebanon anymore).
Believe who you will, but someone has to counter the photoshopped images of smoke columns in the ruins and cadavers used as props, and the only way to do that is to have a publicity campaign of your own.
If that can be done with public relations departments, it will, and it is less macabre than hauling the corpses of infants and children around to repeatedly 'dig out of the ruins' to smear your enemies. Sometimes, the truth is enough.
Again, though, if the palestinians didn't fire missiles from schoolyards and hospitals and crowded neighborhoods into Israel, the Israelis would have no need to shoot back to stop it.
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Again, though, if the palestinians didn't fire missiles from schoolyards and hospitals and crowded neighborhoods into Israel, the Israelis would have no need to shoot back to stop it.
If you are going to use logic, there is no sense in going forward
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I never insinuted @Cyber Liberty was a paid contractor for Israel's PR department @PeteS in CA :laugh:
The only possible insult in my opinion is that Americans, in particular, have been the target of Israel's public relations campaign, and by and large, it has worked.
I never took it that way, @Right_in_Virginia
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What about the occupation @Cyber Liberty ? Do you see anyplace this fits in Israel's need to defend herself?
Occupation of what? You do understand that the tiny strip of land called Israel is the Jewish ancestral home going back thousands of years before the Diaspora forced on them by Rome?
Let's just admit that if it were Arabs attempting to reestablish a homeland, the rest of the world would back them. But since it's Jews.... wink777
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Haas Trump turned on Israel :shrug:
Van Morrison - Thanks for the information
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhZB99U8-w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhZB99U8-w)
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Islam is a culture of death.
Yes. They tell you that. I have a video, I don't think anyone needs me to post it. Do I?
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That story is a lie. HAMAS kills their own children, then wants to blame Israel for that. Muslims are told to lie, to further their agenda. In Sharia law, # 33 I believe , with # 1 being all MUSLIMS have to do jihad.
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Haas Trump turned on Israel :shrug:
Van Morrison - Thanks for the information
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhZB99U8-w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhZB99U8-w)
NO. POTUS TRUMP has not turned on Israel. Why would you even say that? biden regime, dictatorship, communist's are in charge. REAL POTUS can't even post on Twitter! COMMUNISTS IN CHARGE. OVER THROW OF OUR CONSTITUTION, REPUBLIC.
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If you are going to use logic, there is no sense in going forward
:silly:
My Bad!
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Annihilate the Palistineans until they beg Israel (by Unconditional Surrender) to stop would be a start. If they do that, then Israel can annex Gaza and the West Bank while remaining a majority-Jewish country.
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No such thing as palestine.=muslims=islam=hamas.
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Pelosi is gonna drag the January 6th Commission nonsense out through 2022 elections. Dems will beat it to death. Complete waste of time & money, but that's what they do. They are hiding what really happened to Ashli Babbitt.
(The killer of Ashli, is a black capitol police man, supports BLM. HIS NAME IS MICHAEL LEROY BYRD.)
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I remember seeing someone open the capital door for them ! Some insurrection.
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New York Times Publishes Photo of Girl Killed by Israelis Who Was Also Killed by Israelis in 2017
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2021/05/31/new-york-times-publishes-photo-of-girl-killed-by-israelis-who-was-also-killed-by-israelis-in-2017-n1451060 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2021/05/31/new-york-times-publishes-photo-of-girl-killed-by-israelis-who-was-also-killed-by-israelis-in-2017-n1451060)
It was supposed to be heartbreaking: on Friday, the New York Times published a front-page series of photos with the headline “They Were Just Children,” little Palestinian Arab children who had supposedly been murdered by the evil Israeli war machine during the latest round of Hamas jihad attacks. The only problem was that one of the photos, prominently featured on the top row, was of a little girl whom Palestinian Arab propagandists, using the very same photo, had reported murdered by the Israelis in January 2017. It was just the latest example of the fact that Israel’s atrocities are so many and so brazen that Palestinians have to fabricate evidence of them – and the establishment media eagerly plays along.
The Times photo imbroglio came just over a week after Palestinian Arabs on Twitter claimed that a photo of another little girl depicted the victim of an Israeli airstrike; it was actually a photo of a Russian child model who has never been anywhere near Gaza and is still very much alive
My emphasis. Anyone who has to any degree followed Arab Palis' serial atrocity fabrications would not be surprised by this latest fabrication and the NYT being the Arab Palis' obedient parrot.
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My emphasis. Anyone who has to any degree followed Arab Palis' serial atrocity fabrications would not be surprised by this latest fabrication and the NYT being the Arab Palis' obedient parrot.
Is there any source for the number of Palestinian children supposedly killed other than what the Palestinians themselves say? The worldwide media is quick to argue that the number of Palestinian children killed is much higher than the number of Israeli children, or Israelis of any age, killed, and to argue that those figures demonstrate a "disparity of power" which supposedly has some moral significance.
In addition to the basic non-sequitur weakness = virtue, even the supposed indicator of weakness is non-credible.
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UN Agency Admits Hamas Had Attack Tunnel Under Gaza Schoolyard Bombed By Israel
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/un-agency-admits-hamas-had-attack-tunnel-under-gaza-schoolyard-bombed-by-israel/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/un-agency-admits-hamas-had-attack-tunnel-under-gaza-schoolyard-bombed-by-israel/)
Hamas and other Gaza terror groups routinely and deliberately locate military facilities, including rocket launchers and tunnels, under and around civilian locations such as schools, hospitals, and apartments.
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Even the UN has admitted multiple times in the past that Palestinian terror groups use its facilities in Gaza.
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In the 2021 Gaza conflict, Hamas and others did the same thing, firing rockets from civilian areas knowing that Israel’s attempt to stop the rocket fire would end up injuring or killing some civilians. Hamas and their international media helpers then exploit the civilian deaths to demonize Israel.
If there were any doubt how Hamas uses children as human shields, even the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which itself has been shown to teach children to hate Jews, admits that a recent Israeli missile attack on a schoolyard exposed an attack tunnel built under the school.
The UN admits the Arab Palis use human shields, including locating assets in/near hospitals and schools, yet condemns Israel when Israel attacks those assets. Not just antisemitism, but brazen antisemitism.
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I don't think any rational person, nation or even the irrational UN, denies the Palestinians store munitions, etc. near civilians, including children. @PeteS in CA This is not an epiphany. The killing of civilians has been an issue for decades. The problem Israel is facing is "the Palestinians made us do it" defense is wearing thin. In fact, the whole Israeli/Palestinian mess is wearing thin.
And, please -- do not fail to notice how perceptions have changed, and not in Israel's favor. For the generation coming into power, Israel is Goliath.
Around the world "Israel has a right to defend herself -- any way she sees fit" is morphing into "Palestinians have a right to be free of Israeli control". After 54 years it is now, more than ever, in Israel's best interest to find a solution to this mess --- or this new generation of leaders will do it for her.
As Israel's patron saint, does not the US have an obligation to help Israel understand this?
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I don't think any rational person, nation or even the irrational UN, denies the Palestinians store munitions, etc. near civilians, including children. @PeteS in CA This is not an epiphany. The killing of civilians has been an issue for decades. The problem Israel is facing is "the Palestinians made us do it" defense is wearing thin. In fact, the whole Israeli/Palestinian mess is wearing thin.
And, please -- do not fail to notice how perceptions have changed, and not in Israel's favor. For the generation coming into power, Israel is Goliath.
Around the world "Israel has a right to defend herself -- any way she sees fit" is morphing into "Palestinians have a right to be free of Israeli control". After 54 years it is now, more than ever, in Israel's best interest to find a solution to this mess --- or this new generation of leaders will do it for her.
As Israel's patron saint, does not the US have an obligation to help Israel understand this?
1. OK, @Right_in_Virginia. The Arab Palis in Gaza are firing hundreds and thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian centers. What should Israel have done instead of defending herself?
2. The David-Goliath image is emotional BS.
3. Israel has offered solution after solution after ... after solution for decades. The Arab Palis always refuse, punctuated with rockets, incendiary balloons, and murder squads, because they are dedicated to slaughtering Israel out of existence. So, what is your solution? What magic do you offer that will cause the Arab Palis to abandon their anti-Semitic blood lust?
As Golda Meir said, when the Arab Palis love their children more than they hate Jews peace will become possible. The Arab Palis' thousands of rockets prove they still hate Jews more.
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As Israel's patron saint, does not the US have an obligation to help Israel understand this?
We have the perfect Administration to tell Israel to eat the shit sandwich and die. You're on to something here.
Giving the Animalstinians another inch would only lead to the extinction of Israel, which would make the world very, very happy.
Peace in the Middle East is guaranteed, if we could just kill off Israel. There was never, ever a war there before 1947.
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1. OK, @Right_in_Virginia. The Arab Palis in Gaza are firing hundreds and thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian centers. What should Israel have done instead of defending herself?
Was there no reason for the shelling @PeteS in CA ? Of course there was .... look to the events in Jerusalem for the answer. Hasn't the time come to fix all of this ... once and for all --- so both sides can live in actual peace? Are Israel's continued calls for "quiet" still a moral goal?
2. The David-Goliath image is emotional BS.
Isn't most everything in these events designed to pull on emotional strings? But the Goliath analogy is not BS and many Israelis, themselves, are aware of it.
3. Israel has offered solution after solution after ... after solution for decades.
Not really.
Israel, too, has backed out of or changed the dynamics of any potential peace agreement. I remember winning a bet with two of my Jewish friends when the Palestinians agreed that the State of Israel has the right to exist during a round of official negotiations. I received a phone call asking me if I'd heard the news. I said "yes", but advised them to wait for it, Bibi's not going to accept it. They bet he had to and would.
Well, Bibi didn't. He changed the requirement to the Palestinians must admit the JEWISH State of Israel had the right to exist. I won $20. I received it, too. :laugh:
There are no angels in this, Pete. But Israel has had the US to back them no matter what, so they need not really try. This needs to change.
As Golda Meir said, when the Arab Palis love their children more than they hate Jews peace will become possible.
Granted, this was a very effective invalidation of any legitimate anger from the indigenous people swept from their homes and land at the point of guns. But it also set the dynamic in stone that still justify for many the death and subjugation that continues to this day --- Whenever I see this quoted, I can't help but wonder how long a visit and what circle of hell Golda earned for herself with this proclamation.
Again, Pete, there are no innocents in this. But, as the power Israel holds the cards and she must decide to set this land and the people living there free through a mutually negotiated treaty; or fully annex the territories and give the people living there full rights as Israeli citizens, or skirmish by skirmish -- kill them all. It's time for a decision from Israel before one is thrust upon her.
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B.S.
Those rockets have no accuracy and are not aimed at military targets. In any other country launching thousands of rockets into a civilian city is a war crime.
If thousands of rockets where hitting a US city from outside the country we'd level wherever they were coming from.
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B.S.
Those rockets have no accuracy and are not aimed at military targets. In any other country launching thousands of rockets into a civilian city is a war crime.
If thousands of rockets where hitting a US city from outside the country we'd level wherever they were coming from.
The debate is not if Israel has the right to defend herself. The debate is, or should be, what can Israel do to insure her own peace -- short of genocide.
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We have the perfect Administration to tell Israel to eat the shit sandwich and die. You're on to something here.
Hyperbole much? :laugh:
Israel's gotten all it can gain out of the 1/2 century occupation @Cyber Liberty She's reached the top of that mountain and is beginning to slide down the other side.
I want Israel to stop this slide because her security now depends on it. I think if we're not going to realistically help Israel do this, then the next best thing we can do is back the hell out of it, all of it --- including replenishing Israel's military after each skirmish. If it helps, think of it as tough love.
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The debate is not if Israel has the right to defend herself. The debate is, or should be, what can Israel do to insure her own peace -- short of genocide.
One will never make peace with those sand monkeys, all one can do is make them respect the hell out of ya by overwhelming force, never back down.
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I don't think any rational person, nation or even the irrational UN, denies the Palestinians store munitions, etc. near civilians, including children. @PeteS in CA This is not an epiphany. The killing of civilians has been an issue for decades. The problem Israel is facing is "the Palestinians made us do it" defense is wearing thin. In fact, the whole Israeli/Palestinian mess is wearing thin.
Yeah.
The Palestinians evaporated the entire, if scant, supply of sympathy in my locker when they decided to cheer on 9-11.
They use their own children to pack suicide vests in and blow up Israeli children. If they're children mean that much to them, why should anyone else care when their children are blown up when acting as human shields for terrorists?
As for Israel, they're the victims, here. Someone fires a rocket at them, Israel fires back. The instigators knew what was going to happen, they did not care. Why should we care when they don't?
Why should we care when the terrorist animals won't negotiate in good faith because their only goal is the destruction of the people on the other side of the table?
Eff'em. They had their chance. They don't deserve another.
And, please -- do not fail to notice how perceptions have changed, and not in Israel's favor. For the generation coming into power, Israel is Goliath.
Yes, it's amazing how much influence the media has in shaping public opinion.
Which means the public perception of events is not what rational people use to just the merits of an event.
The events here were that Hamas, hiding behind woman, children and an AP Press office, launched rocket attacks on a civilian population center, targeting women and children. So the victim retaliates, as it should, and boo-hoo-hoo and all that, but the terrorists aren't all that upset that the children they were hiding behind were blown up, so I'm certainly not going to give a crap about it.
Maybe the parents of those children should start getting pissed at Hamas instead of at the victims.
Around the world "Israel has a right to defend herself -- any way she sees fit" is morphing into "Palestinians have a right to be free of Israeli control". After 54 years it is now, more than ever, in Israel's best interest to find a solution to this mess --- or this new generation of leaders will do it for her.
The so-called "Palestinians" certainly have a right to live free of Israeli control.
IMO they should join Rosie O'Donuts and the other Loser Rodents and pick a country they can all be happy living in together, say like National Socialist Germany, and move there. Israel owns the territory inside it's borders, so there's no getting away from israeli control inside Israel. So the terrorist animals have to move.
What can be more fair than that? To Merkel with them all.
As Israel's patron saint, does not the US have an obligation to help Israel understand this?
Yes, as soon as the coup is terminated in the US and the US has it's own president again, certainly that Republican should be happy to tell Israel the best thing it could do is to order Hamas out of Israel.
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The 57 muslim nations want to destroy the only jewish nation on earth.
There are no Christian nations on the planet. All the Western nations pretend to secular rule....and are thus mostly ruled by the religious cult of Marxism in all of it's evil incarnations.
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Hyperbole much? :laugh:
Israel's gotten all it can gain out of the 1/2 century occupation @Cyber Liberty She's reached the top of that mountain and is beginning to slide down the other side.
I want Israel to stop this slide because her security now depends on it. I think if we're not going to realistically help Israel do this, then the next best thing we can do is back the hell out of it, all of it --- including replenishing Israel's military after each skirmish. If it helps, think of it as tough love.
The one line you quoted is the one with the least "hyperbole." To say "Israel MUST accommodate the Animalstinians" to have "peace" is flat out wrong, and goes against centuries of their history.
In fact, the only way Israel will see any "peace," as we in the West understand the word, it to start killing the Animals en masse until they beg Israel to accept their surrender. The Animals want "peace" too, as they understand it. It's the Peace of the Dead. They won't stop until they kill every Jew in the world. Their Prophet demands it.
It disappoints me you are oblivious to these facts, and think the Animalstinians will EVER live side by side with Jews. They will not, and will never, ever since the 7th Century. Their moon god has decreed it.
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The debate is not if Israel has the right to defend herself. The debate is, or should be, what can Israel do to insure her own peace -- short of genocide.
What do you think the options are @Right_in_Virginia ?
It seems to me that Israel could offer a peace deal involving a two state solution. But they've done this more than once and the "Palestinians" have consistently rejected such a deal. The "Palestinians" are interested only in a one-state solution, and as they make clear that state is to extend "from the river to the sea." History teaches us, or at least it should teach us, that a two-state solution peace deal is simply not going to happen because it would not fulfill the real goal of the "Palestinians."
Perhaps Israel could complete a full occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza strip, announce that those places are now part of Israel, and the residents there are Israeli citizens with all the rights pertaining. But as you point out, public opinion worldwide has turned against Israel and it is viewed more and more as a conqueror or colonizer; it's not clear to me that the problem will be solved by Israel being more assertive when the people being offered citizenship in the most democratic country in the region will call it "conquest."
Or Israel could simply kill "Palestinians" until the latter have no further will to fight. But again, global public opinion would certainly oppose that policy up to the point of harming Israel's security and prosperity.
Or Israel can focus on eliminating not the "Palestinian" people's will to fight, but simply their means to fight. This can work until some D US President calls up the PM over there and tells him to call off the dogs.
Or Israel could adopt a purely defensive strategy, stopping the blockade of Gaza and refusing to respond to renewed missile attacks and relying only on the Iron Dome defense to blunt their effectiveness.
I don't see any good options here for Israel but it seems to me that the fourth one, what they are basically doing, is the least bad option.
What *specific* approach do you think the Israelis should take to protect themselves and secure effective peace? Don't just tell me they should "make peace", tell me exactly how they should make peace with people who regularly re-affirm a commitment to wipe Israel off the map and who are supported by others joining in that same intention.
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@HoustonSam
Actually, "wiping Israel off the map" is only a secondary goal. Their primary goal is "all Jews, everywhere, dead." Their so-called prophet said so, and their moon god demands it to this day.
If all the Jews were to leave Israel, and establish a homeland in, say, Eastern Europe, the Animals would simply follow them there, demand their new land, and then start killing them all over again while the world tut-tuts the Jews trying to protect themselves. There are thousands of years worth of history backing that prediction up. The many great nations of history have been in a competition with each other to see who can kill off all the Jews first.
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@HoustonSam
Actually, "wiping Israel off the map" is only a secondary goal. Their primary goal is "all Jews, everywhere, dead." Their so-called prophet said so, and their moon god demands it to this day.
If all the Jews were to leave Israel, and establish a homeland in, say, Eastern Europe, the Animals would simply follow them there, demand their new land, and then start killing them all over again while the world tut-tuts the Jews trying to protect themselves. There are thousands of years worth of history backing that prediction up. The many great nations of history have been in a competition with each other to see who can kill off all the Jews first.
I'd be very happy if the US deported it's thirty million illegal aliens and allowed as many Israeli jews as wanted to come over here.
Even if only two Israelis decided to immigrate to the US, the US would benefit hugely on the trade.
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That is the choice they should be forcing on Hamas. Or maybe just force Hamas out of their residential neighborhoods, schools, and hospitals.
The Arab Palis do not have a legitimate cause, and the means they use - using civilians and civilian facilities as shields - is criminal.
Israel, OTOH, being a sovereign nation, has the right to defend itself, and while they are obligated to take measures to minimize civilian casualties - and do! - they are not obligated to do so perfectly.
@PeteS in CA
WHY should ANYONE give a Bush about what Arabs think? They are Muslims,and Islam is a criminal religion devoted to the mass murder of non-Muslims as well as other terrorist activity.
If anything,there should be a freaking bounty on them.
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Maybe the people living in Gaza should stop allowing their land to be used as a rocket launching pad for terrorists intent on killing children.
Hmmmm?
I'm glad that 33 times more children in Gaza were killed than in Israel. If the Gaza people don't like seeing their children killed, they should stop supporting the murder of someone else's children.
Those who seek death for others shouldn't complain when death finds them.
@Sled Dog
And there it is. As I have written before,Islam is a religion dedicated to the mass murder of everyone,everywhere in the world who is not a Muslim,so the obvious solution to this problem is to place a bounty on Muslims.
It is NOT unfair,racist,bigotry,or any other negative label anyone cares to put on it to kill people who are dedicated to killing you.
It is simple self-defense.
And for those of you who don't like Jews or the idea of Israel for whatever reasons,real or imagined,the Muslims don't like you any better than they like the Jews.Their religion demands conversion to Islam or death.
They have proved this over and over for centuries,so there should be no doubt or hesitation.
There ARE no other options,so killing them all is nothing more than an act of self-defense.
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@sneakypete
Over the centuries, Islam has proven to be a suicide/murder cult with no respect for life. If they ever succeeded in killing or converting the whole planet, they will start courageously murdering each other for not being "Moslem enough."
Shiites and Sunnis will kill the rest of the people off in the last war.
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What do you think the options are @Right_in_Virginia ?
@HoustonSam
I see at this point the usual options and a new possibility: A peace treaty with two states, annexing the territories, slaughter of the Palestinians, or a new regional partnership.
Both sides have negotiated in bad faith for so long I don't see how a two state solution will ever come to pass. Yes, both sides. For 30 years Netanyahu has been for two states almost as often as he's been against it. Ditto on the other side of the coin. This is going nowhere.
Annexation is only talked about in terms of the West Bank and Golan Heights. Bennett is very pro annexation, but his vision includes what would become Gaza East---a carve out for Palestinians not given Israeli citizenship. They'd have their own government with Israel remaining the controlling authority. Bennett's plan calls for accepting 48,000 Palestinians from the West Bank into Israel --- a number he says would preserve the Jewish character while avoiding cries of apartheid. Bennett may be too clever by half, and Hamas would go nuts.
As for Gaza, it appears --- right now --- killing them all is the only remaining option. But, I wouldn't count on it any time soon. Set aside the possibility of igniting WWIII, in her heart the Jewish State of Israel cannot absorb accusations of genocide.
Israel should be talking with Jordan, Egypt, SA, UAE, Dubai, Oman. Israel should take the lead and initiate conferences to design the plan solving this Israeli/Palestinian "problem". It is in the security and economic interests of these seven nations to end this obstruction to living in true peace and partnership. (The Abraham Accords is a good place to start building.) For this to work, we (and every other international know-it-all) need to step away and give these regional players a chance to solve their regional problem.
As I posted upthread, David Ben-Gurion later in his life advised Israel to give back the occupied land, or Israel would never know peace, never know security, never know true acceptance. Israel is now living Ben-Gurion's warning and only she can decide the true importance of peace, security and acceptance over the status quo.
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@HoustonSam
I see at this point the usual options and a new possibility: A peace treaty with two states, annexing the territories, slaughter of the Palestinians, or a new regional partnership.
Two state solution won't work. The geography the "Palestinians" claim is full up with anti-Jewish racist fanatics who are willing to use their own children to wear bomb-vests to slaughter jewish children. So that's out.
The Israelis should certainly annex the territories they've taken from their murderous enemies. Spoils of war, and it's the only way Israel achieved defendable borders.
Sure. A regional partnership. That works. The Israelis partner up with Morocco and has them take those murderous parasites out of Israeli territory. They don't belong in Israel since they're murderous inhuman baby-killing monsters.
Slaughtering the people claiming to be "Palestinians" when no such place as "Palestine" exists...why should dead people populate a historically dead territory? If it stops the killing of Israeli babies, why not? Works for me. I have no use for them.
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We have the perfect Administration to tell Israel to eat the shit sandwich and die. You're on to something here.
Giving the Animalstinians another inch would only lead to the extinction of Israel, which would make the world very, very happy.
Peace in the Middle East is guaranteed, if we could just kill off Israel. There was never, ever a war there before 1947.
You left something out... ////00000////
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Do people not understand..first there is no palestine. There is HAMAS. HAMAS...are jihadist. Muslims..who will NEVER stop, till everyone is under SHARIA LAW. I don't understand Virginia. Normally very correct. NOT IN THIS CASE. Jihadist have done this to Israel for decades. HAMAS LIES, all the time. proven. Why would VIRGINIA SUPPORT...JIHADIST? Then sharia law and burkas?
Oh, Israel is our first line of defense in M.E. JIHADIST want Israel annihilated. ISRAEL IS CALLED LITTLE SATAN. Then we are next. BIG SATAN, AMERICA. HAMAS DOES NOT HONOR ...ANY TREATY. THEY ARE JIHADIST! One cannot negotiate with them. Same as democrats. I am not Jewish.
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@sneakypete
Over the centuries, Islam has proven to be a suicide/murder cult with no respect for life. If they ever succeeded in killing or converting the whole planet, they will start courageously murdering each other for not being "Moslem enough."
Shiites and Sunnis will kill the rest of the people off in the last war.
Correct. :thumbsup:
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Do people not understand..first there is no palestine. There is HAMAS. HAMAS...are jihadist. Muslims..who will NEVER stop, till everyone is under SHARIA LAW. I don't understand Virginia. Normally very correct. NOT IN THIS CASE. Jihadist have done this to Israel for decades. HAMAS LIES, all the time. proven. Why would VIRGINIA SUPPORT...JIHADIST? Then sharia law and burkas?
Oh, Israel is our first line of defense in M.E. JIHADIST want Israel annihilated. ISRAEL IS CALLED LITTLE SATAN. Then we are next. BIG SATAN, AMERICA. HAMAS DOES NOT HONOR ...ANY TREATY. THEY ARE JIHADIST! One cannot negotiate with them. Same as democrats. I am not Jewish.
@LegalAmerican
Sure,you can. Just ask "Bullet,or rope?"
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@LegalAmerican
Sure,you can. Just ask "Bullet,or rope?"
They prefer cranial avulsion, with a dull knife.
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They prefer cranial avulsion, with a dull knife.
While that was their preferred method of execution of helpless hostages, why give them what they prefer? Heck, I'd like to see a free-style form of firing squad where they're turned loose in a soccer field and let them run a bit before the hail of bullets.