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General Category => National/Breaking News => SCOTUS News => Topic started by: Elderberry on March 26, 2021, 01:31:24 am
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American Military News by Liz George March 25, 2021
The Biden administration urged the Supreme Court to uphold a warrantless gun confiscation ruling as the nation’s top court heard oral arguments Wednesday on Caniglia v Strom, a case that could have major consequences for the Fourth Amendment where policing, due process and mental health are concerned.
In its first amicus brief before the Supreme Court, the Department of Justice argued the actions taken by law enforcement to confiscate the petitioner’s firearms without a warrant were “reasonable.â€
“The touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is reasonableness,†the DOJ’s brief stated. “For criminal investigations, this Court has generally incorporated the Warrant Clause into the Fourth Amendment’s overarching reasonableness requirement, but it has not generally done so for searches or seizures objectively premised on justifications other than the investigation of wrongdoing.â€
“The ultimate question in this case is therefore not whether the respondent officers’ actions fit within some narrow warrant exception, but instead whether those actions were reasonable. And under all the circumstances here, they were,†the brief added.
More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/biden-admin-calls-on-supreme-court-to-allow-warrantless-gun-confiscation-from-homes/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/biden-admin-calls-on-supreme-court-to-allow-warrantless-gun-confiscation-from-homes/)
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And so it begins.
The outcome of this will determine if we have another revolution in my lifetime,or not.
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Biden wants to further destroy the Fourth Amendment as well as the Second.
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And so it begins.
The outcome of this will determine if we have another revolution in my lifetime,or not.
its plain the leftists are making their big move now. Pity the flaccid GOP - all they want is to be able to continue stuffing graft in their pockets, and here the batshit crazy commies are gonna force their hand.
No more lip service, it’s choose a side time.
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No more lip service, it’s choose a side time.
Hell with that! It's been "choose a side" time since 2012.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
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Hell with that! It's been "choose a side" time since 2012.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
Yeah I feel ya.
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its plain the leftists are making their big move now.
@skeeter
With each day that passes I become more and more convinced that the left KNOWS they have now shot their wad,and after all these years of carefully planning each move a micro-step at a time so if they met resistance they could back off and claim it was all a mistake,they are now 100 percent out of the globalist closet and the door is shut behind them.
The "true believers" in the upper levels really and truly thought THEY represented the mindsets of the typical Americans,and we all dreamed of nothing less than to be servants to the state.
Now it is starting to sink in that took one step too far a couple of decades too soon,and they might just lose it all.
They have no choice now but to go for a total win now because if they don't get that,they will lose and decades of plotting and scheming will have been for nothing.
They really did think Trump would run and hide in a closet in shame after having been beaten by them,and that the American people would avoid him like the plague,and what do they get but an energized Trump and an enthusiastic voting public wanting revenge.
The ONLY chance the Dims have of holding the WH,the Senate,and the Congress come the next election is slim and getting slimmer with every day that passes,so they have no choice but to go radical and hope they can get enough of their legislation passed to be in real control before the next election.
Trump is the Lightening Rod that worries them the most,which will probably result in them placing their entire focus on destroying him,while leaving other candidates with similar plans but less well known to gain some traction.
And there ain't a damn thing they can do to prevent them from gaining traction because ALL of their focus will be on stopping Trump,and rather than flinch from it,Trump eats it with a spoon.
And while their focus is on Trump,the most grassroots candidates will be able to gain some traction.
Pity the flaccid GOP - all they want is to be able to continue stuffing graft in their pockets, and here the batshit crazy commies are gonna force their hand.
I have zero pity for the posers in the GOP. The only positive thing I can find to say about any of them is "Thank goodness they are all old and some will be too sick and weak to run again in 2024."
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Hell with that! It's been "choose a side" time since 2012.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
This is just guns. Just wait until wealth confiscation. Our TBR "Principled Conservatives' principles won't buy them a cup of coffee in a few years.
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Hell with that! It's been "choose a side" time since 2012.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
Right. B.C. 2012 years before Christ. And that was here. Way early elsewhere.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
That is a little harsh, but I understand.
Nothing changes.
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This is just guns. Just wait until wealth confiscation.
Our guns may be in our homes, our closets, whatever. Most of our wealth is parked in banks or brokerage accounts, where we can't prevent anyone from seizing it.
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Our guns may be in our homes, our closets, whatever. Most of our wealth is parked in banks or brokerage accounts, where we can't prevent anyone from seizing it.
I chose the life I lead. Never was money hungry. I always figured by retirement age this would happen and I would be left with not much.
One Day Closer.
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I'm with you, Fred. Whatever wealth I have counts for nothing.
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I'm with you, Fred. Whatever wealth I have counts for nothing.
I kinda sorta live in the next world. I expect to see/do some really ugly things before I go. So my plan for the future is eternity in a better place.
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I have zero pity for the posers in the GOP. The only positive thing I can find to say about any of them is "Thank goodness they are all old and some will be too sick and weak to run again in 2024."
Unfortunately, if we’re gonna avoid some real ugliness we’re gonna hafta depend upon these flakes to turn things around inside the system. Do not believe any but a handful are up to it.
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Hell with that! It's been "choose a side" time since 2012.
Some 'Briefers' are dead to me.
*****rollingeyes*****
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Our guns may be in our homes, our closets, whatever. Most of our wealth is parked in banks or brokerage accounts, where we can't prevent anyone from seizing it.
@mountaineer
Exactly. When a leftist government decides it needs more money to buy votes and establish ultimate power."POOF!" and the money in savings accounts is gone.
For the public good,of course.
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I kinda sorta live in the next world. I expect to see/do some really ugly things before I go. So my plan for the future is eternity in a better place.
@bigheadfred
You mean you have lived this long and haven't been forced by circumstances at one time or another to have already seen and done some ugly things?
You are a lucky,lucky man,Fred!
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Thanks, Never Trumpers. Well at least you still have your precious "purity".
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@bigheadfred
You mean you have lived this long and haven't been forced by circumstances at one time or another to have already seen and done some ugly things?
You are a lucky,lucky man,Fred!
I killed a man with a knife in 1996. 14 1/2 years in the system.
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I killed a man with a knife in 1996. 14 1/2 years in the system.
@bigheadfred
That certainly qualifies!
I can only respond that I was never caught doing anything illegal or questionable.
We will ALL do whatever it is we have to do in order to survive at times.
After all,it's hard to make a stand on the moral high ground when you are buried in it.
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@bigheadfred
That certainly qualifies!
I can only respond that I was never caught doing anything illegal or questionable.
We will ALL do whatever it is we have to do in order to survive at times.
There was a memo to NEVER pepper spray me and bring more than three tasers.
I have LEO friends. You talk to them for 2 or 15 years you make friends.
I just have this habit that I fight for my life, my way of life, and FTW.
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Legal is the last person standing.
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This is just guns. Just wait until wealth confiscation. Our TBR "Principled Conservatives' principles won't buy them a cup of coffee in a few years.
Wanna bet?
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@mountaineer
Exactly. When a leftist government decides it needs more money to buy votes and establish ultimate power."POOF!" and the money in savings accounts is gone.
For the public good,of course.
Don't worry about it. Your money will be worthless anyway
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Don't worry about it. Your money will be worthless anyway
What is this money thing? There ain't any.
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I killed a man with a knife in 1996. 14 1/2 years in the system.
Should have joined the Army.
It's legal to kill people, in the military.
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What is this money thing? There ain't any.
It's stuff that non-rednecks use instead of doing for themselves. You ain't got to worry for it Fred.
:beer:
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With each day that passes I become more and more convinced that the left KNOWS they have now shot their wad, and after all these years of carefully planning each move a micro-step at a time so if they met resistance they could back off and claim it was all a mistake, they are now 100 percent out of the globalist closet and the door is shut behind them.
.... knowing they have but a short time....
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Should have joined the Army.
It's legal to kill people, in the military.
It is legal to kill in self defense. Which is what I did. Me and the Sherf didn't see eye to eye. Small town justice.
Look up SGT. EVAN VELA
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Wanna bet?
As you sit oblivious to the nation crumbling around you.
Yeah, but you sure showed us, staying home November 3rd. Joe and Kamala thanks you.
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As you sit oblivious to the nation crumbling around you.
Yeah, but you sure showed us, staying home November 3rd. Joe and Kamala thanks you.
Not oblivious at all. I seen it a long way off.
How much funny money is in the air now after tumpy? Forty. maybe fifty T?
Sure it's coming down. Because Republicans every bit as much as Democrats.
So a pox on all y'all. And it is surely coming.
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As you sit oblivious to the nation crumbling around you.
Yeah, but you sure showed us, staying home November 3rd. Joe and Kamala thanks you.
Come on Catfish, Roamer is here most every day ... "Oblivious" is hardly a word I would call anyone here.
I think Roamer did the same as I did, see Trumps past positions on guns as troubling. He was not a conservative that cherished the second judging by his fruits talking about banning guns. Even in office as a populist Trump attacked gun rights (banning bump stocks) and talking down the NRA in front of some of the biggest gun grabbers in office. He even appointed some out and out open judges that were gun grabbers.
Seeing Trump as he is, is not sticking your head in the sand, and it ain't voting for Biden.
Give us someone to vote for and we would of.
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Come on Catfish, Roamer is here most every day ... "Oblivious" is hardly a word I would call anyone here.
I think Roamer did the same as I did, see Trumps past positions on guns as troubling. He was not a conservative that cherished the second judging by his fruits talking about banning guns. Even in office as a populist Trump attacked gun rights (banning bump stocks) and talking down the NRA in front of some of the biggest gun grabbers in office. He even appointed some out and out open judges that were gun grabbers.
Seeing Trump as he is, is not sticking your head in the sand, and it ain't voting for Biden.
Give us someone to vote for and we would of.
That's right. But more so: A loss of liberty is directly tied to what the states and the people will put up with.... So that is a secondary concern to me - Largely repairable, or at least defensible... but crash the dollar and we will all be going to Venezuela, and nothing for it.
Since even here there is no will toward fiscal responsibility, I made the right decision to return to the basics and hunker down. I know I am right in that. And really, nothing else matters Nothing else will fix a damn thing, and y'all know it.
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Since even here there is no will toward fiscal responsibility, I made the right decision to return to the basics and hunker down. I know I am right in that. And really, nothing else matters Nothing else will fix a damn thing, and y'all know it.
UTTER Bullshit!!!! There is no bigger deficit hawk here than I am. and yes it is the No. 1 concern I have been screaming this at the top of my lungs at conservatve forums for 25 years. OTOH, I can walk and chew gum the same time, and realize that fiscal responsibility is not 100.000 % of the true conservative agenda, and it should not dictate who POTUS should be, when differences between candidates are dramatic.
Like a few here mentioned the past 5 years, and early to my chargrin. Ground shifting elections are choices binary in nature. Sitting home because one candidate doesn't meet your 100% litmus test purity, show a lack of forest from the trees mentality. Now as we wake up, and watch Biden take our guns, our fuel, our culture, our wealth and confiscates our freedoms, I find the retrenching of the "wrong" NT crowd really perplexing. How about just admitting your were wrong for once.
I did not like DJT as a person, but I lioved this country enough to know how much damage Biden/Harris/Bernie/AOC would do. Thanks to 2020 election results, the collapse is underway.
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I did not like DJT as a person, .....
@catfish195
Who did? He has to be THE most unlikable US President in history.
If his limo were to break down in front of my house,I wouldn't let him come in to get out of the cold.
So what?
We don't elect Presidents because we need a babysitter to take care of us or to be our newest "bestie". We elect them to preserve and secure America,and the "American Way of Life".
Or we did,before the airhead left and their blood brothers,the airhead right took over,anyhow.
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@catfish195
Who did? He has to be THE most unlikable US President in history.
So what?
We don't elect Presidents because we need a babysitter to take care of us or to be our newest "bestie". We elect them to preserve and secure America,and the "American Way of Life".
Or we did,before the airhead left and their blood brothers,the airhead right took over,anyhow.
Point was I could put the personality flaws aside ,and vote for who the candidate who had the best interests of the nation.
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Give us someone to vote for and we would of.
You're gonna have a long wait, there hasn't been one since Reagan.
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Point was I could put the personality flaws aside ,and vote for who the candidate who had the best interests of the nation.
In the hierarchy of concerns the national debt becomes a bit of an abstraction as the feds are executing a warrantless search on your home looking for your guns.
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@catfish195
Who did? He has to be THE most unlikable US President in history.
If his limo were to break down in front of my house,I wouldn't let him come in to get out of the cold.
So what?
We don't elect Presidents because we need a babysitter to take care of us or to be our newest "bestie". We elect them to preserve and secure America,and the "American Way of Life".
Or we did,before the airhead left and their blood brothers,the airhead right took over,anyhow.
I don't know Trump the man, from Adam. But I refuse to let my personal view of the man be dictated by what the media says he is. Sure he did some things that were, to say the least, "Unconventional", and it may not have been what I would have done, nor said, but at the same time, I also knew not to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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In the hierarchy of concerns the national debt becomes a bit of an abstraction as the feds are executing a warrantless search on your home looking for your guns.
All they will find here is my meth lab. So no worries.
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All they will find here is my meth lab. So no worries.
Judging by the amount of Fentanyl they're allowing to flow across the border right now I wouldn't think they'd care.
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@catfish195
Who did? He has to be THE most unlikable US President in history.
If his limo were to break down in front of my house,I wouldn't let him come in to get out of the cold.
So what?
We don't elect Presidents because we need a babysitter to take care of us or to be our newest "bestie". We elect them to preserve and secure America,and the "American Way of Life".
Or we did,before the airhead left and their blood brothers,the airhead right took over,anyhow.
I liked Trump.
The most unlikeable president in US history was almost certainly the guy that was naturally born in Kenya and thus not a US citizen or president at all.
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You're gonna have a long wait, there hasn't been one since Reagan.
There was Trump.
I voted for him, with no problem at all.
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There was Trump.
I voted for him, with no problem at all.
In 2016 I voted for the most conservative 3rd party candiate, whose name now I can't even remember.
In 2020, I voted for DJT to help prevent exactly what is happening right now.
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There was Trump.
I voted for him, with no problem at all.
Yes, I should have qualified that by saying "until Trump". But unless it's DeSantis, I don't see anyone else on the horizon.
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UTTER Bullshit!!!! There is no bigger deficit hawk here than I am. and yes it is the No. 1 concern I have been screaming this at the top of my lungs at conservatve forums for 25 years. OTOH, I can walk and chew gum the same time, and realize that fiscal responsibility is not 100.000 % of the true conservative agenda, and it should not dictate who POTUS should be, when differences between candidates are dramatic.
So it's a 'Mussolini made the trains run on time' thing, eh? Tell me then: Who the hell is going to fix it? You've proved that money does not matter - It's now off the table. At a time when it is probably the single most important factor. THE life changing thing is to stay away from Venezuela. And that is PRECISELY where we are going, and you know it. YOU KNOW IT, and still you're pissed at me. I ain't the one spending all the money - YOU ARE.
Like a few here mentioned the past 5 years, and early to my chargrin. Ground shifting elections are choices binary in nature. Sitting home because one candidate doesn't meet your 100% litmus test purity, show a lack of forest from the trees mentality. Now as we wake up, and watch Biden take our guns, our fuel, our culture, our wealth and confiscates our freedoms, I find the retrenching of the "wrong" NT crowd really perplexing. How about just admitting your were wrong for once.
Bullcrap. He made hardly 30%. YOU GOT NOTHING! A bunch of hail mary EOs, NO governance, signed liberal bills. Nothing conservative in LAW. The HELL I'm wrong - AND YOUR LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. It's ALL GONE! Disappeared! All smoke. And it always WAS SMOKE. So why don't YOU admit you're wrong. You're the one standing there with NOTHING in your hand. How the hell am I wrong when I called it, right down the line?
Wake the hell up.
I did not like DJT as a person, but I lioved this country enough to know how much damage Biden/Harris/Bernie/AOC would do. Thanks to 2020 election results, the collapse is underway.
They're going to do their damage ANYWAY. Because nothing is stopping them. There IS NO OPPOSITION. Tumpy didn't stop a dang thing. He signed every damn thing they wanted right into law. YOU got temporary EOs. The liberals got law.
And the collapse started way before now. We might have recovered from Bush's bailout. But not BOOSH followed by OBummer, followed by TUMPY. There's your collapse. And it's coming. Hell, it's here.
The liberal crap has defenses. the states will rise against it. The people will rise against it. But not if they're broke and hungry. And you voted for that. There ain't no fixing BROKE.
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Point was I could put the personality flaws aside ,and vote for who the candidate who had the best interests of the nation.
@catfish1957
I must be more confused than normal,because I thought I made the exact same point in my post?
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Point was I could put the personality flaws aside ,and vote for who the candidate who had the best interests of the nation.
It ain't personality flaws - of which there are many. It's the structural damage. WHOPPIN damage.
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In the hierarchy of concerns the national debt becomes a bit of an abstraction as the feds are executing a warrantless search on your home looking for your guns.
@skeeter
It's about the basics,folks.
First they take away your right as a free citizen to own or possess a firearm.
Next they take away the right to Freedom of Assembly.
Next it is Free Speech.
After that,they just take away everything they want without even announcing it. You will know when you broken the law with LEO's show up at your home or workplace to arrest you and take you to a court where you will have to face a judge and PROVE you are innocent.
How can people NOT see this?
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You're gonna have a long wait, there hasn't been one since Reagan.
Right. Because y'all are satisfied to vote for skwerls.
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All they will find here is my meth lab. So no worries.
@bigheadfred
You could always light up the gas stove to welcome them.
Guaranteed method of making an impression on them.
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Judging by the amount of Fentanyl they're allowing to flow across the border right now I wouldn't think they'd care.
@skeeter
Oh,they would care.
They don't get a cut of the profits from homemade stuff.
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In the hierarchy of concerns the national debt becomes a bit of an abstraction as the feds are executing a warrantless search on your home looking for your guns.
You're kidding right? Soon you'll be selling your guns for a sandwich.
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I liked Trump.
@Sled Dog
Good for you!
The point is we are not supposed to elect,or NOT elect Presidents based on if we want them for "Besties" or not.
The ONLY consideration should be how they manage the business of the nation and how they protect and preserve our Constitution.
Trump passed those standards with probably the highest marks of my lifetime,while every Dim President,and a couple of the alleged Republican ones (can you say the word "Bush"?), did everything they could do to destroy it.
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There was Trump.
I voted for him, with no problem at all.
@Sled Dog
Same here.
Twice.
Hope to be able to do it again in 2024.
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Our guns may be in our homes, our closets, whatever. Most of our wealth is parked in banks or brokerage accounts, where we can't prevent anyone from seizing it.
And that is why we converted our assets from a 401K into a Castle.
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You're kidding right? Soon you'll be selling your guns for a sandwich.
no I’m not kidding. But debating this issue with you is like holding a live catfish in one hand, and I’d rather not. I’ll just let my lyin eyes be my guide.
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And that is why we converted our assets from a 401K into a Castle.
I’m wondering what my options are for mine right now. I’ll have to give your route some serious thought.
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And that is why we converted our assets from a 401K into a Castle.
@Cyber Liberty
You are not protected. My memory sucks from chemo,but I seem to remember a law was passed back when Obomber or Bubba was president that allowed cities to seize private property if they could make a case the city could put it to better use and make more money from it. I think that little homo wuss from the North East (Bush appointee,IIRC) that lived with his mama is the one that cast the deciding vote in the Supreme Court that recognized that as being legal.
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@Cyber Liberty
You are not protected. My memory sucks from chemo,but I seem to remember a law was passed back when Obomber or Bubba was president that allowed cities to seize private property if they could make a case the city could put it to better use and make more money from it. I think that little homo wuss from the North East (Bush appointee,IIRC) that lived with his mama is the one that cast the deciding vote in the Supreme Court that recognized that as being legal.
Maybe I should run for Mayor?
ETA: The SCOTUS case to which you refer does not apply to states that prohibit the practice, and AZ is one of those. The city of Mesa tried to pull that with a brake shop that belonged to a friend of mine, and he took the attempted condemnation to the AZ Supreme Court, where they determined the city can't take his property in order to improve the tax base. The shop remains open today.
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Maybe I should run for Mayor?
ETA: The SCOTUS case to which you refer does not apply to states that prohibit the practice, and AZ is one of those. The city of Mesa tried to pull that with a brake shop that belonged to a friend of mine, and he took the attempted condemnation to the AZ Supreme Court, where they determined the city can't take his property in order to improve the tax base. The shop remains open today.
@Cyber Liberty
Thank you for the update. Especially the part in bold.
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Boy, did this thread go off the rails.
The bottom line is that -- before this regime of nascent communists is done, they're gonna be coming after your guns.
That means, YOUR guns.
YOU.
What are you going to do about it?
Fishrrman fearless prediction:
Just about everyone is gonna hand 'em over (unless they've buried some), because "the consequences" just aren't going to seem worth it to them.
Those consequences are:
Resisting, and either being shot on the spot, or going to prison (or rehabilitation camp) for a LONG time.
Examples will need to be made.
Are YOU going to become one of them?
Aside:
About fifty years ago, a man who everyone here would truly despise wrote a book about this -- almost exactly what's happening now.
The book is available free to read online, if you care to.
Like him or not -- and you won't -- the author "saw the future".
Just a matter of time before his predictions become reality...
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Boy, did this thread go off the rails.
The bottom line is that -- before this regime of nascent communists is done, they're gonna be coming after your guns.
That means, YOUR guns.
YOU.
What are you going to do about it?
Fishrrman fearless prediction:
Just about everyone is gonna hand 'em over (unless they've buried some), because "the consequences" just aren't going to seem worth it to them.
Those consequences are:
Resisting, and either being shot on the spot, or going to prison (or rehabilitation camp) for a LONG time.
Examples will need to be made.
Are YOU going to become one of them?
Aside:
About fifty years ago, a man who everyone here would truly despise wrote a book about this -- almost exactly what's happening now.
The book is available free to read online, if you care to.
Like him or not -- and you won't -- the author "saw the future".
Just a matter of time before his predictions become reality...
@Fishrrman
I sincerely hope no one posts they will resist.
Some things should come as a surprise.
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There was a memo to NEVER pepper spray me and bring more than three tasers.
That reminds me my son said while in the Navy he was trained to take down assailants after being blinded with pepper spray. Though in HS he was a Varsity wrestler all 4 yrs. He don't need to see someone to take them down. He loved taking down football players who were trying out after their season was over. The harder they charged the harder they hit the mat.
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That reminds me my son said while in the Navy he was trained to take down assailants after being blinded with pepper spray. Though in HS he was a Varsity wrestler all 4 yrs. He don't need to see someone to take them down. He loved taking down football players who were trying out after their season was over. The harder they charged the harder they hit the mat.
Speaking of football in HS they would let the varsity use the jv as tackling dummies. One on one. They would hike you the ball and the other defense guy tackled you. One time I was up against the biggest, meanest varsity player. He was also the state heavyweight wrestling champion for our division.
They hike me the ball and this guy looks away right then. I ran right past him. I did the Forrest Gump run. Went from the 50 yard line to the goalposts and back to the other end goalposts with this guy chasing me. He was getting madder per step. I finally let him catch up to me when he was out of gas. Then he couldn't hit me so hard. It still hurt.
The entire team and coaches were laughing their butts off the whole time.