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Title: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 02:28:13 pm
Begins today at 1pm est
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 02:36:50 pm
Chris Wallace: If I'm Trump, 'I would not be especially pleased' with White House defense
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/479327-chris-wallace-if-im-trump-i-would-not-be-especially-pleased-with-white-house
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 02:36:59 pm
White House Counsel Nukes Jerry Nadler: ‘This Is the United States Senate. You’re Not in Charge Here.’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/21/white-house-counsel-nukes-jerry-nadler-this-is-the-united-states-senate-youre-not-in-charge-here/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/21/white-house-counsel-nukes-jerry-nadler-this-is-the-united-states-senate-youre-not-in-charge-here/)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 03:07:08 pm
Chris Wallace: If I'm Trump, 'I would not be especially pleased' with White House defense
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/479327-chris-wallace-if-im-trump-i-would-not-be-especially-pleased-with-white-house

I was watching when Wallace said that.  Fortunately, the President's legal team doesn't have Chris Wallace on it.

 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Wingnut on January 22, 2020, 03:09:03 pm
I was watching when Wallace said that.  Fortunately, the President's legal team doesn't have Chris Wallace on it.



Mike must be so proud of his little boy.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 03:10:30 pm
I was watching when Wallace said that.  Fortunately, the President's legal team doesn't have Chris Wallace on it.

 :2popcorn:

Wallace was *debbie downer* all day yesterday... :shrug:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: DCPatriot on January 22, 2020, 03:25:26 pm
I think it's genius to have Chris Wallace do this on FOX.

What better way to prove to people that "FAIR & BALANCED" is much better for them than 100% U.S.A. Certified Bullshit they're getting everywhere else?

When I 'see' Chris Wallace, I see Bill Kristol.....I see @roamer_1 ...I see @Chosen Daughter

 The 6th Sense.    happy77
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 03:30:28 pm
I think it's genius to have Chris Wallace do this on FOX.

What better way to prove to people that "FAIR & BALANCED" is much better for them than 100% U.S.A. Certified Bullshit they're getting everywhere else?

. . .

 The 6th Sense.    happy77

Chris Wallace is Fox's Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: bilo on January 22, 2020, 04:53:02 pm
I think it's genius to have Chris Wallace do this on FOX.

What better way to prove to people that "FAIR & BALANCED" is much better for them than 100% U.S.A. Certified Bullshit they're getting everywhere else?

When I 'see' Chris Wallace, I see Bill Kristol.....I see @roamer_1 ...I see @Chosen Daughter

 The 6th Sense.    happy77

Nice comparison.

I'm not following the "trial" to closely, so it's nice to catch up on it here.

I'm just praying that a vast majority of the American people see that the Rats are anti-american socialists who only want to take away our freedoms. If the Pubs don't win big at all levels in 2020 repudiating this crap I fear what follows.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: EdinVA on January 22, 2020, 05:05:03 pm
Ready for another day of listening to schiff... oh god...  8888crybaby
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: corbe on January 22, 2020, 05:09:43 pm
(https://weekbladparty.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/jaloerse-Vrouwen.jpg)

                          Reminds me of Girl Fights in HS
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 05:38:24 pm
Schumer blasts GOP votes over witnesses, documents at trial
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/479380-schumer-blasts-gop-votes-over-witnesses-documents-at-trial
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Snarknado on January 22, 2020, 05:46:49 pm
Schumer no doubt sees this as his chance to redeem himself after his monumental blunders in the Gorsuch confirmation.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:00:22 pm
Erik Wasson
@elwasson
·
52s
Republicans today are seizing on Nadler remarks saying GOP senators are engaged in cover up. Hawley says House severely alienated the jury. Murkowksi says she was offended. Schiff defends Nadler and blames long day
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:00:50 pm
Beginning in just a few minutes... :2popcorn:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:02:50 pm
Jamie Dupree
@jamiedupree
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4m
In a news conference right now Sen Lindsey Graham R-SC teeing off on the news media, telling reporters that the press is 'complicit' in the Democratic impeachment effort against President Trump
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:07:31 pm
Rep. Doug Collins
@RepDougCollins
·
45m
To set the record straight, during the Judiciary Committee process—the only time where @realDonaldTrump
 had any opportunity to question witnesses—@JudiciaryGOP
 was permitted:
 
0 fact witnesses
1 constitutional law scholar
1 staff member, required under the Dems’ resolution
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 06:09:46 pm
Erik Wasson
@elwasson
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52s
Republicans today are seizing on Nadler remarks saying GOP senators are engaged in cover up. Hawley says House severely alienated the jury. Murkowksi says she was offended. Schiff defends Nadler and blames long day

Nads called the Republicans "liars" dozens of times last night.  It even pissed off Roberts.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:10:04 pm
ABC News
@ABC
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7m
Sen. Lindsey Graham claims Democrats are on a "crusade" to "destroy" President Trump: "If I were the president, I wouldn't cooperate with these guys at all."

"To my Democratic colleagues, you can say what you want about me but I am covering up nothing." https://
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 06:13:51 pm

When I 'see' Chris Wallace, I see Bill Kristol.....I see @roamer_1 ...I see @Chosen Daughter

 The 6th Sense.    happy77

How odd.  When I see Wallace, I see you.  @roamer_1 is miles to the right of both.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:17:08 pm
Jamie Dupree

Jamie Dupree
@jamiedupree
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6m
Schiff: "We have some very long days to come."
@jamiedupree
·



7m
Replying to
@jamiedupree
Democrats have 24 hours to make their case.  It can be spread over the next three days.  Rep Adam Schiff D-CA is first.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:23:50 pm
Katie Pavlich
@KatiePavlich
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24s
Adam Schiff continues to talk about how this is about fighting Russia
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 22, 2020, 06:24:32 pm
haven't been following... anything interesting happening?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:26:34 pm
Jennifer Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
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1m
You know who is listening to the obstruction argument? Roberts, who is getting a preview of the sweeping absolute immunity assertion that was shot down by unanimous court in US v. Nixon
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:27:53 pm
ABC News Politics
@ABCPolitics
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6m
Rep. Adam Schiff: "We are here" because President Trump has abused "the power of his office to seek help from abroad to improve his re-election prospects," and "when he was caught, he used the powers of that office to obstruct" the investigation
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:28:47 pm
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
·
5m
1. Schiff is NOT arguing actual facts and evidence in the House record based on testimony or documents.  He’s substituting his own narrative as the basis for his “case.”  There’s no smoking gun. There’s no killer witness.
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow


·
5m
2. So they’ve insisted that there’s a coverup because they can’t use the Senate to call witnesses or present evidence that would prove what they cannot prove in support of their bogus impeachment, none of which was the basis for the House vote.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:29:19 pm
This Week
@ThisWeekABC
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4m
Rep. Adam Schiff: "Pres. Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid...to secure foreign help with his reelection—in other words, to cheat."

"His scheme was undertaken for a simple but corrupt reason: to help him win reelection."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: TomSea on January 22, 2020, 06:29:49 pm
Senator Ted Cruz
@SenTedCruz
There’s an old saying:
If you have the facts, you bang the facts.
If you have the law, you bang the law.
If you don't have either, you bang the table.

Yesterday we saw a whole lot of table banging from Schiff, Schumer, et al. Unfortunately I expect to see the same today.

w/video:   https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1220017763625984000
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:29:57 pm
Jennifer Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
·
5m
Cotton, Cruz and other faux hawks dont give a damn that Trump threw Ukraine to the Russian bear.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 22, 2020, 06:33:56 pm
Senator Ted Cruz
@SenTedCruz
There’s an old saying:
If you have the facts, you bang the facts.
If you have the law, you bang the law.
If you don't have either, you bang the table.

Yesterday we saw a whole lot of table banging from Schiff, Schumer, et al. Unfortunately I expect to see the same today.

w/video:   https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1220017763625984000

:thumbsup:

I'm too busy these days with work to follow this bs, i guess i'll just read this thread.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:33:59 pm
Rich Lowry
@RichLowry
·
3m
I’m obviously not a fan of Adam Schiff but he’s head-and-shoulders above the rest of the House managers in his ability to make a public argument
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: skeeter on January 22, 2020, 06:34:13 pm
Jennifer Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
·
5m
Cotton, Cruz and other faux hawks dont give a damn that Trump threw Ukraine to the Russian bear.

After all, all those MREs and blankets Obama sent helped save Crimea.

How far from reality can these yokels run?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:34:21 pm
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
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3m
Schiff: Trump's "misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box. For we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won. In corruptly using his office to gain a political advantage ... the president has shown that he believes he is above the law and scornful of constraint."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:36:36 pm
Peter J. Hasson
@peterjhasson
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11m
Adam Schiff says the U.S. arms Ukraine "so that we can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here"
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:38:48 pm
Oversight Committee Republicans
@GOPoversight
·
5m
Myth: President Trump wanted President Zelensky to “dig up dirt” on Vice President Biden.

Fact: The President was not digging up “dirt” on Vice President Biden.

He was worried about corruption in Ukraine!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:40:50 pm
Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
·
3m
House Dems couldn’t be bothered to wait for the Courts to decide on witnesses. They said impeachment was urgent!

Now in the Senate, they’re admitting how weak their case is by demanding more witnesses.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:43:40 pm
Nate Madden
@NateOnTheHill
·
3m
Schiff once again invokes 2020 election as impeachment factor, saying that POTUS' "misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:44:16 pm
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
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2m
From colleague Tara Prindiville. Klobuchar: The American people want to see witnesses. I thought one of the lowest points of many from the other side yesterday was when at one in the morning, when we try one last ditch effort to let Justice Roberts decide who the witnesses are.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:46:48 pm
ABC News
@ABC
·
2m
Rep. Adam Schiff calls for senators to have John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, and Sec. Mike Pompeo to testify. "You will hear their testimony at the same time as the American people—that is, if you allow it."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:48:44 pm
Rich Lowry
@RichLowry
·
36s
Honestly don’t know how Democrats are going to use their remaining 23.5 hours
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:49:06 pm
Rich Lowry
@RichLowry
·
3m
I don’t get how people who didn’t balk at Obama’s refusal to give Ukraine lethal aid can as *as a policy mattter* object to a brief delay in military aid by Trump as a horrendous blow to Ukraine’s defense
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:49:34 pm
Rich Lowry
@RichLowry
·
17m
Every hostile nickname that Mitch McConnell gets is further confirmation of his effectiveness.

Mitch McConnell Is the Master of the Senate
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:50:49 pm
Jennifer Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
·
2m
This case is utterly airtight. Trump said it. It is in the transcript. He wanted a POLITICAL favor so he held up aid. There is really no excuse, no defense.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:51:33 pm
Scott Dworkin
@funder
·
2h
The day Trump leaves office will be one of the most celebrated in world history.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:52:14 pm
Jim
@WFSecurityNerd
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2m
It would seem that Mr. Nadler dug a very deep hole from which Mr. Schiff will not be able to extract himself.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:58:01 pm
Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
·
38m
Well, you know what you could do? Subpoena those documents in the House and then wait for a court to adjudicate the issue. Or, conversely, you could pretend that a cover-up is taking place when you refuse to do your job in the House.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 06:58:11 pm
David Corn
@DavidCornDC
 Â· 30m
.@RepAdamSchiff: If the Senate does not convict @realDonaldTrump and lets him get away with defying congressional oversight, this will "permanently alter the balance of power among the branches of government." Trump "believes he is above the law." #ImpeachmentTrial
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: catfish1957 on January 22, 2020, 07:00:01 pm
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
·
5m
1. Schiff is NOT arguing actual facts and evidence in the House record based on testimony or documents.  He’s substituting his own narrative as the basis for his “case.”  There’s no smoking gun. There’s no killer witness.
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow


·
5m
2. So they’ve insisted that there’s a coverup because they can’t use the Senate to call witnesses or present evidence that would prove what they cannot prove in support of their bogus impeachment, none of which was the basis for the House vote.

When all else fails, fabricate charges.  Seems like the whole premise of this fiasco.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:00:46 pm
CSPAN
@cspan
·
2m
.@RepAdamSchiff
: "There is no serious dispute about the facts underlying the president's conduct. This is why you will hear the president's lawyers make the outstanding claim that you can't impeach a president for abusing the powers of his office..."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:01:32 pm
thebradfordfileâ„¢
@thebradfordfile
·
2h
Trump is the only president to ever question the billions of taxpayer dollars sent around the world—and how much ends up back in the bank accounts of the political families who dole out the cash.

So they impeached him.

Got it?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 07:02:09 pm
ABC News Politics
@ABCPolitics
·
6m
Rep. Adam Schiff: "We are here" because President Trump has abused "the power of his office to seek help from abroad to improve his re-election prospects," and "when he was caught, he used the powers of that office to obstruct" the investigation

 I keep waiting for a giant bolt of lighting to shoot down from the sky and strike Schiff dead.  'Liar' is the only way to describe him.  The only ones interfering with the 2020 elections are Schiff et al.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:02:49 pm
House Intelligence Committee
@HouseIntel
·
12m
"We are here today in this hallowed chamber... because Donald J. Trump solicited foreign interference in our democratic elections, abusing the power of his office by seeking help from abroad to improve his reelection prospects at home." -@RepAdamSchiff
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 07:06:12 pm
Jennifer Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
·
5m
Cotton, Cruz and other faux hawks dont give a damn that Trump threw Ukraine to the Russian bear.

Rubin once came across as sounding sane when she wrote for the Wash Times. Not anymore.  She has ODed on Kool Aid.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:07:39 pm
Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
7m
If Adam Schiff cared so much for Ukraine's ability to defend himself against Russian aggression, maybe he should have done more to ensure that the Obama administration transmitted lethal military aid to Ukraine.

The @realDonaldTrump
 administration did just that for Ukraine.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: EdinVA on January 22, 2020, 07:08:02 pm
I keep waiting for a giant bolt of lighting to shoot down from the sky and strike Schiff dead.  'Liar' is the only way to describe him.  The only ones interfering with the 2020 elections are Schiff et al.
:silly:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: EdinVA on January 22, 2020, 07:09:33 pm
Is all of this just about protecting biden?  The chosen one?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:20:33 pm
Video: Schiff Blocks Reporters From Questioning Nadler About His Meltdown in the Senate Last Night
At a press conference held before the start of Wednesday’s impeachment trial session in the Senate, lead House Manager Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/video-schiff-blocks-reporters-from-questioning-nadler-about-his-meltdown-in-the-senate-last-night/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/video-schiff-blocks-reporters-from-questioning-nadler-about-his-meltdown-in-the-senate-last-night/)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:29:38 pm
Rush is pissed...says the Rats hoodwinked the Senate into a 24 hate fest against Trump
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 22, 2020, 07:33:49 pm
Rush is pissed because, unlike the overwhelming majority of Americans, he's actually watching it. And the structure of these things always favors the prosecution at the start simply because they go first.

He shouldn't forget that the defense is going to have the same 24 hours to tear the Democrats a new one when the prosecution is done.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:33:49 pm
Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
2m
Adam Schiff's facts aren't reality:

- Ukraine received U.S. aid in conformity w/ law;
- Aid received w/o preconditions other than those required by law;
- Ukraine wasn't aware of withheld aid during 7/25 call;
- @realDonaldTrump
 had a justified interest in Ukrainian corruption.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: dfwgator on January 22, 2020, 07:36:08 pm
Rush is pissed because, unlike the overwhelming majority of Americans, he's actually watching it. And the structure of these things always favors the prosecution at the start simply because they go first.

He shouldn't forget that the defense is going to have the same 24 hours to tear the Democrats a new one when the prosecution is done.

(https://jamesletoile.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/98929-oh-well-allow-me-to-retort-gif-jle0-2.gif)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:39:59 pm
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
·
16m
Trump sent Ukraine Javelin Missiles & lethal aid to Ukraine

Democrats want to impeach him

Obama sent Blankets

Democrats were silent

Trump sent Iran crippling economic sanctions

Democrats call him a national security threat

Obama sent $1.7B in cash

Democrats were silent
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:40:56 pm
Ryan J. Reilly
@ryanjreilly
·
1m
Sen. Lindsey Graham has been shifting in his seat and scanning the Senate chamber during Adam Schiff’s presentation, but he perked up when Schiff played Trump’s 2016 “Russia if you’re listening,” clip. Graham smiled and shook his head as Trump’s voice played on the speaker.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:42:16 pm
Dan Bongino
@dbongino
Think he'll take Sen. Paul up on his offer?
Rand Paul Invites Trump to Senate to Watch "Partisan Charade"
A front row seat to the witch hunt
bongino.com
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:43:04 pm
Dan Bongino
@dbongino
Think he'll take Sen. Paul up on his offer?
Rand Paul Invites Trump to Senate to Watch "Partisan Charade"
A front row seat to the witch hunt
bongino.com

I think he should go...
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:43:34 pm
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
1h
How is it legal under oath for Adam Schiff to continue to say that President Trump Pressured the Ukrainian President... When it's on record MULTIPLE times from the Ukrainian President that he wasn't Pressured???
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:45:07 pm
Judy CONSERVATIVE
@jstines3
·
2m
Who is going to grasp control of this BS???? Why is ROBERTS there if it's not to end this kind of blathering that has NOTHING to do with the 2 articles of impeachment!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:45:26 pm
Steve Guest
@SteveGuest
·
4m
SCHIFF: RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA
 
Just how weak is the Democrats’ impeachment case against President Trump?
 
Adam Schiff is relitigating RUSSIA and MUELLER.
 
Wait, what?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:47:40 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
1m
By the way, in a real trial, half of the "evidence" #Schiff is talking about would be inadmissible, because it is either clear hearsay or is someone's subjective perception of someone else's intent. That evidence is inadmissible in court because of how untrustworthy it is.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:48:57 pm
Steve Guest
@SteveGuest
·
3m
THREAD.

Adam Schiff has mentioned Gordon Sondlands' testimony a lot today.

So what did Sondland actually say?

There was no quid pro quo.

Roll the tapes.

Sondland confirms POTUS said no quid pro quo
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:50:00 pm
Rush:....The Senate has become a branch office of the DNC
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:53:26 pm
Debra J. Saunders
@debrajsaunders
·
2m
"One of the White House officials said that it wasn’t clear why Pelosi invited Trump to address Congress at all, considering that in her 'perfect world' he would be removed from office at the end of the impeachment process."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: libertybele on January 22, 2020, 07:55:14 pm
I think he should go...

No...Trump would never be able to sit there quietly while he was being slammed with lies ... and next thing he'd want to be sworn in to give his side of the story.  That's what the DEMS want; to hopefully get to question him and then say he lied under oath just like Billy Bob.  Trump needs to stay away and let his team of lawyers and the GOP Senators do their jobs.

As for Roberts --- unfortunately, his only concern is to see his name mentioned again in the history books.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:57:33 pm
Joe Lockhart
@joelockhart
·
42m
Overheard convo between two Republican Senators who only watch Fox News. "is this stuff real? I haven't heard any of this before. I thought it was all about a server.  If half the stuff Schiff is saying is true, we're up shit's creek. Hope the White House has exculpatory evidence



Yeah I bet... :whistle:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 07:58:43 pm
ABC News
@ABC
·
2m
Rep. Adam Schiff: "The Framers had common sense and so must we."

"Jurors all over America are told you don't leave your common sense at the door. Well, we don't have to leave our common sense at the door here, too. Two plus two equals four."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 22, 2020, 08:04:00 pm
By the way, in a real trial, half of the "evidence" #Schiff is talking about would be inadmissible, because it is either clear hearsay or is someone's subjective perception of someone else's intent. That evidence is inadmissible in court because of how untrustworthy it is.

That, right there, is the exact correct point.  Most of the Democrat's "evidence" is people speculating as to what someone else actually thought, which absolutely isn't admissible as evidence.   It is the role of the jury to look at the evidence, and then reach its own conclusions about state of mind.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: corbe on January 22, 2020, 08:05:43 pm
(https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/07/26/896/504/694940094001_5522504601001_5522502653001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

   I'd love to see the Reps get ahold of this one.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 08:10:05 pm
Schiff has no shame.
He has utterly no conscience about lying, to everyone, to the Senate, and to America as a whole.
He has no credibility at all. He 'makes-up' his so called 'facts' as he goes.
And in his twisted mind, this is perfectly OK. He thinks it is Great.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: corbe on January 22, 2020, 08:11:50 pm
   And  to think we have 22 more hours of the BS from the dems to listen to before we get to the weekend.  Screw it, I'm starting early.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 08:12:04 pm
(https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2017/07/26/896/504/694940094001_5522504601001_5522502653001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

   I'd love to see the Reps get ahold of this one.

(http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Taco-Bell-Bacon-Club-Chalupa.jpg)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: aligncare on January 22, 2020, 08:13:59 pm
Schiff has no shame.
He has utterly no conscience about lying, to everyone, to the Senate, and to America as a whole.
He has no credibility at all. He 'makes-up' his so called 'facts' as he goes.
And in his twisted mind, this is perfectly OK. He thinks it is Great.

Yep. It’s natural to him; he lies effortlessly.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: corbe on January 22, 2020, 08:15:10 pm
   I'd buy that before I'd buy any candle she makes.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 08:19:14 pm
Is all of this just about protecting biden?  The chosen one?

 This is about using Biden's front runner status as a tool for impeachment while he remains the front runner. Democrats know that his candidacy is about to fall apart and his usefulness expire, which is why they are rushing it now.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 08:30:36 pm
Yep. It’s natural to him; he lies effortlessly.
Look. We all know that Trump colluded with Putin to win the election.
Mueller has proven this beyond any doubt.
And we know he pressured Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son.
This is indisputable.
There is overwhelming evidence that Trump behave treasonously and is a traitor.
I do not have any of that 'overwhelming evidence' right now.
But if the Senate would just give me a second impeachment investigation in the Senate, Impeachment #2,
I'm sure I could generate the overwhelming evidence which I know is there.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Wingnut on January 22, 2020, 08:36:12 pm
(http://www.grubgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Taco-Bell-Bacon-Club-Chalupa.jpg)

Flakey!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:47:14 pm
Juanita Broaddrick Retweeted
Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
·
27m
.@RepAdamSchiff
 spent his opening arguments trying to relitigate the fake “Russia collusion” narrative.

Never forget that Adam Schiff supposedly had “more than circumstantial evidence” of collusion.

He misled the American people then, he’s misleading them now.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: corbe on January 22, 2020, 08:47:29 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VgvIqJdx3SY/TnAwfpNitjI/AAAAAAAAA5s/fMes2DFHeIo/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Round+girl+at+the+MGM+Grand.jpg)

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/d38dee9e690f275f90efdb5e1276a0b8/tumblr_nn9nidNUQs1r83d7lo2_500.gif)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:48:13 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
1m
A key piece of advice I give young lawyers entering the law that #SchiffShow seemed to miss: KYA (Know Your Audience). Their main audience is the more than 1 weak-kneed, soft-spined GOP Senators in that hall; the other is independents. They managed to annoy both to appeal to @CNN
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:52:29 pm
Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
6m
Adam Schiff knows full well that he had witnesses before his committee last year who testified that President @realDonaldTrump
's policy towards Ukraine is more supportive than previous administrations.

For example, the Trump administration gave lethal military aid to Ukraine.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:53:32 pm
had to share

Hunter Schwarz
@hunterschwarz
·
Jan 21
Jon McNaughton just released his newest painting, depicting Sean Hannity as Paul Revere
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO0fu-rUUAAiXuM?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:55:31 pm
Joel B. Pollak
@joelpollak
·
43m
Imagine being a U.S. Senator, and sitting through more than 2 hours of @RepAdamSchiff
 repeating the same nonsense that has been on TV for weeks already, and having to sit through (checks watch) TWENTY-TWO MORE HOURS of this without access to modern communication #ImpeachmentTrial
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:56:21 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO6akzEW4AMrtJn?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 08:57:55 pm
Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel
 Â· 56m
1) Why is it that nobody in MSM calls out @RepAdamSchiff for a basic and repeated falsehood in this trial? To wit, that Russia helped Trump win an election (and that Trump was trying to repeat this with Ukraine). Where is there any evidence for this outrageous Russia claim?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: DCPatriot on January 22, 2020, 09:00:57 pm
How odd.  When I see Wallace, I see you.  @roamer_1 is miles to the right of both.

LOL!  I was speaking solely in terms of the level of animosity toward the POTUS.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:01:05 pm
The White House
@WhiteHouse
·
1h
Adam Schiff is LYING that President Trump withheld an Oval Office meeting from President Zelensky.

President Trump invited President Zelensky to the White House—with no preconditions—on THREE occasions: April 21, May 29, & July 25.

They met at the first opportunity, at the UN.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:01:33 pm
Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
·
1m
Chris Wallace says that Adam Schiff “completely misrepresented” Mick Mulvaney’s comments when he said to “get over it.”
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:02:07 pm
Steve Scalise
@SteveScalise
·
14m
The only thing Adam Schiff is proving in this Senate trial is that House Dems didn’t have a case to impeach @realDonaldTrump
 in the first place.

This is embarrassing for Dems.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: berdie on January 22, 2020, 09:02:50 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO6akzEW4AMrtJn?format=jpg&name=small)




Unless this is sarcasm...I'm in awe as well.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:03:15 pm
Trump War Room --- Text FIGHT to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
·
2m
FLASHBACK: Constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley testified last year that the Democrats are abusing THEIR power.

"You're doing precisely what you're criticizing the President for doing."
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:08:28 pm
State of the Union
@CNNSotu
·
3m
Trump attorney @JaySekulow
 on Democrats' impeachment trial opening arguments: "The more they do this 2 1/2-hour events at a time, it undercuts their entire argument. But you know what, that's going to be ultimately for the United States Senate to decide"
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:11:07 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
1m
So far, #Nadler is just citing other people's opinions, his own opinion, and argumentative conclusory rhetoric, none of which is considered admissible evidence in a trial. His failure to cite actual evidence is a sign he doesn't have any.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:11:57 pm
Daniel Dale
@ddale8
·
13m
Trump lawyer Sekulow just told reporters, "Notice what’s not in the articles of impeachment: allegations or accusations of quid pro quo."

The *words* quid pro quo aren't in the articles, but the Abuse of Power article is all *about* Trump's alleged quid pro quo effort.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:12:35 pm
Andrew Desiderio
@AndrewDesiderio
·
20m
SCHUMER says a witness trade with Republicans is “off the table.”
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: berdie on January 22, 2020, 09:12:55 pm
Truthfully...I'm not following this too closely. 
I catch up here.

But I did turn on the tv and saw Schiftt saying that the Ukranian president didn't get a White House visit. I swear I saw him sitting with Trump in the WH after all this mess started. That's when I turned it off and started watching Gunsmoke.

I can't help but wonder how long it will be before the NBC viewers get p.o.'d  that they have pre-empted their "shows".
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:13:04 pm
Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq
·
10m
Nadler is just wildly speculating...

This is why due process matters. This kind of “opening statement” would be shut down in a regular court of law.

Opening statements are NOT evidence and can’t go beyond what the evidence itself will show.

No evidence of Nadler’s beliefs!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:16:02 pm
Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
2m
Pro tip:

Best not to frame your remarks as "narrative" or a "story" if you want your statements to be taken seriously.

At least Democrats are being slightly honest about the weight of their monologues.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:16:32 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
2m
The entire trial is a reminder the only mistake @realDonaldTrump
 made was not firing every Obama appointee on day 1, including Comey & Yovanavitch. #ImpeachmentSham
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:17:31 pm
Red Nation Rising
@RedNationRising
·
47s
Nadler is using tweets by @DonaldJTrumpJr
 claiming it is evidence of a secret conspiracy.

How can public tweets be part of a secret conspiracy?
🤔


What am I missing here?
🧐
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:18:10 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
1m
#Nadler is now reminding everyone how this entire charade is because people in the State Department think they, not the elected President, should run foreign policy, including their desire we be in a "war with Russia." This makes this the first #DeepState driven #ImpeachmentSham
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: dfwgator on January 22, 2020, 09:19:15 pm
They know they can make any shit up and the media will proclaim it as gospel.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:19:45 pm
Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
·
36m
NEW argument from Schiff this afternoon: you can’t trust elections! Schiff says @realDonaldTrump
 â€œcheated” in 2016 and apparently not legitimate. And can’t trust outcome in 2020. So preserve democracy by overturning election results & ignoring the voters. Amazing
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: dfwgator on January 22, 2020, 09:22:10 pm
 
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/6b/Colonel_Sam_Flagg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150801202843)

I see it now.
This is bigger than all of you.
This is a major conspiracy, and I'll get to the bottom of this even if I have to go right to the top.
 

(Schiff even looks like Colonel Flagg)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 09:22:23 pm
Quote
Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq

Opening statements are NOT evidence and can’t go beyond what the evidence itself will show.

Correctamundo!  Yet the media pundits went on and on yesterday praising the Dems for their brilliance in submitting evidence through their opening statements.  Idiots.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: dfwgator on January 22, 2020, 09:24:20 pm
Correctamundo!  Yet the media pundits went on and on yesterday praising the Dems for their brilliance in submitting evidence through their opening statements.  Idiots.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/08/0330chewbacca.jpg/220px-0330chewbacca.jpg)

"This is Chewbacca!"
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: berdie on January 22, 2020, 09:28:03 pm

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/6b/Colonel_Sam_Flagg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150801202843)

I see it now.
This is bigger than all of you.
This is a major conspiracy, and I'll get to the bottom of this even if I have to go right to the top.
 

(Schiff even looks like Colonel Flagg)




I always loved Col Flagg on that show!

But he don't look like Schift! Much better looking jerk.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:30:32 pm
Rep. Doug Collins
@RepDougCollins
·
1h
Chairman Schiff restricted Republican witnesses in the House.
 
Rules Committee Democrats claimed "plenty of witnesses were called."
 
Now Adam Schiff is calling for more?
 
House Democrats don’t get a do-over in the Senate. #ShamImpeachment
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:31:23 pm
TheLastRefuge
@TheLastRefuge2
·
16m
How is it possible, within this process, for House Managers to argue points that are not included in the Two Articles of Impeachment?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:33:39 pm
Oliver Darcy
@oliverdarcy
·
1m
INBOX: Reince Priebus named CBS News political analyst
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:34:18 pm
Lee Zeldin
@RepLeeZeldin
·
3m
With their final words on the House floor, House Dems declared they proved their impeachment case “beyond a doubt”.

Yesterday, they started the impeachment trial declaring they still needed a ton of facts in order to prove their case.

Which is it?

Can’t have it both ways!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: truth_seeker on January 22, 2020, 09:37:07 pm
They know they can make any shit up and the media will proclaim it as gospel.

Josef Goebells, Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky,  Alinsky,  knew it as well.

Advertisers, social media giants too.

"See the USA, in a Chevrolet!"



Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: roamer_1 on January 22, 2020, 09:40:30 pm
When I 'see' Chris Wallace, I see Bill Kristol.....I see @roamer_1 ...I see @Chosen Daughter

A tumpist in a teapot. Keep trying @DCPatriot someday you may not fail quite so badly  :beer:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZfLtUzKmPWdxK/giphy.gif)

 :laugh: :seeya:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 09:41:31 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
3m
Little secret about embassies: they are just a place to hide our spies & pay off donors. #DeepState is used to running the actual policies of our government overseas, and is still shocked Trump planned on being his own man.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: roamer_1 on January 22, 2020, 09:42:52 pm
How odd.  When I see Wallace, I see you.  @roamer_1 is miles to the right of both.

 :beer: :patriot: :seeya:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 09:49:48 pm
Nadler/Schiff:
'There is more than ample overwhelming evidence which is indisputable that *I* believe President Trump is GUILTY...of something, anything, everything!!!' (why don't they believe me!?)

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpm1.narvii.com%2F6112%2F419812965b07d6f2ffbd737b18add8dfa94f1a27_hq.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
What are you in for?
Everything...
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 09:55:03 pm
Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
·
3m
Little secret about embassies: they are just a place to hide our spies & pay off donors. #DeepState is used to running the actual policies of our government overseas, and is still shocked Trump planned on being his own man.
I believed that Trump discovered that the Foreign Intelligence Services were feeding him disinformation in the Intel Brief to further their own agendas. He then discarded the Intel Brief and gathered intelligence on his own by direct contact with foreign officials, bypassing the DeepState spin factory. This pissed them off to no end. That is why they are so angry at Trump. Because he exposed what they were up to.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:19:55 pm
Jon Ward
@jonward11
·
40s
Schiff made a pretty remarkable statement in favor of impeachment today, asserting that Trump's pressure campaign on Ukraine has called the legitimacy of the 2020 election into question
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:22:16 pm
House Intelligence Committee
@HouseIntel
·
11m
Where were you on July 25, 2019?

On July 25, 2019:

— Ukrainian soldiers were manning the front lines against Russian-backed forces illegally occupying their country.

— President Donald Trump was calling Ukrainian President Zelensky and asking for a “favor.”
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:23:05 pm
Washington Post Opinions
@PostOpinions
·
19m
The Democrats are winning the argument even though they’ll lose the Senate trial
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:23:40 pm
Joel B. Pollak
@joelpollak
·
37m
.@RepJasonCrow
 (predictably!) cites a Ukrainian soldier killed after July 25, implying that @realDonaldTrump
 was somehow responsible. It's disgusting. Crow has lied repeatedly this week about the military aid to Ukraine -- which Trump provided, and Obama didn't.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:28:15 pm
Sen. Marsha Blackburn
@MarshaBlackburn
·
1h
The Obama Administration strategically withheld foreign aid:

Ukraine - $1B THREATENED TO WITHHOLD

Pakistan - $800M WITHHELD

Colombia - $450M CONDITIONED

Philippines - $433M NOT RENEWED

Egypt - $260M WITHHELD

Honduras - $30M WITHHELD

Mexico - $26M WITHHELD
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 22, 2020, 10:31:50 pm
Washington Post Opinions
@PostOpinions
·
19m
The Democrats are winning the argument even though they’ll lose the Senate trial

Right now, there isn't an argument.  It's just a soliloquy by the Dem prosecutors.  So all we learned from this tweet is that whomever authored it is the type of person who makes up their mind in a trial after only hearing from one side.

Bravo, and thanks for confirming everything we've thought about you closed-minded morons.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 10:34:54 pm
Jon Ward
@jonward11
·
40s
Schiff made a pretty remarkable statement in favor of impeachment today, asserting that Trump's pressure campaign on Ukraine has called the legitimacy of the 2020 election into question
Calling the 2020 election into question before it has even begun is as clear an admission as it gets by the Democrats that they are absolutely certain they are going to lose, no matter who the Dem candidate is.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2020, 10:40:01 pm
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
28m
Juan Williams says he thought Schiff was "Impressive" and did a "Masterful Job"...

This is why no one takes you seriously Juan..
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 22, 2020, 10:44:58 pm
Calling the 2020 election into question before it has even begun is as clear an admission as it gets by the Democrats that they are absolutely certain they are going to lose, no matter who the Dem candidate is.

Right.  But it's Republicans who are imperiling the faith of the American people in democracy....

This is basically the same schtick they've been pulling since 2000.  Any Republican election victory isn't legitimate..
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2020, 10:53:35 pm
Right.  But it's Republicans who are imperiling the faith of the American people in democracy....

This is basically the same schtick they've been pulling since 2000.  Any Republican election victory isn't legitimate..
I agree. This is why the Dems have recently started vociferously calling for an end to public elections...
because they 'cannot be trusted'.
(cannot be trusted to elect only Democrats that is, even with all the illegal and deceased Dem votes)
As long as Democrats are elected, elections are Great and inviolable!
As soon as a Republican is elected, the election system is 'broken' and should be done away with.
Pelosi has said, 'We the elite will decide for you ignorant boobs who should be elected.'
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 22, 2020, 11:10:57 pm
Washington Post Opinions
@PostOpinions
·
19m
The Democrats are winning the argument .  .  .  .

.  .  .  .  among WaPo employees and anyone else lacking the ability to reason and think critically.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 22, 2020, 11:55:18 pm
Rich Lowry
@RichLowry
·
3m
I don’t get how people who didn’t balk at Obama’s refusal to give Ukraine lethal aid can as *as a policy mattter* object to a brief delay in military aid by Trump as a horrendous blow to Ukraine’s defense

@mystery-ak

I do. It's called "partisan politics",and these people have NO personal sense of honor.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 12:45:52 am
Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel
1) Why is it that nobody in MSM calls out @RepAdamSchiff for a basic and repeated falsehood in this trial? To wit, that Russia helped Trump win an election... Where is there any evidence for this outrageous Russia claim?
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@corbe

Here is the answer why Schiff was right that Putin wanted Trump to win and helped him:
Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Putin was running for re-election.  She knew what he had done in his past in the KGB (killed people), and the people he was still killing with poison, etc. and every move he was presently taking to hurt the Russian people and used her power as Secretary of State to inform the Russian people to vote him out.  She was Putin's nemesis, his personal sworn enemy.  He actually said in public she caused him trouble in his re-election.  This is the reason he needed Trump as President, not Clinton.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 12:51:59 am
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@corbe

Here is the answer why Schiff was right that Putin wanted Trump to win and helped him:
Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Putin was running for re-election.  She knew what he had done in his past in the KGB (killed people), and the people he was still killing with poison, etc. and every move he was presently taking to hurt the Russian people and used her power as Secretary of State to inform the Russian people to vote him out.  She was Putin's nemesis, his personal sworn enemy.  He actually said in public she caused him trouble in his re-election.  This is the reason he needed Trump as President, not Clinton.

@Victoria33

Good to see you come out of the closet as a Bubbette! supporter.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 12:59:52 am
Video: Schiff Blocks Reporters From Questioning Nadler About His Meltdown in the Senate Last Night  At a press conference held before the start of Wednesday’s impeachment trial session in the Senate, lead House Manager Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA)
@mystery-ak

I just heard/saw Nadler give his comments last night and he was reading from a script.  There was no melt-down, he spoke in a calm voice with feeling that he meant his words.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2020, 01:01:30 am
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
@corbe

Here is the answer why Schiff was right that Putin wanted Trump to win and helped him:
Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Putin was running for re-election.  She knew what he had done in his past in the KGB (killed people), and the people he was still killing with poison, etc. and every move he was presently taking to hurt the Russian people and used her power as Secretary of State to inform the Russian people to vote him out.  She was Putin's nemesis, his personal sworn enemy.  He actually said in public she caused him trouble in his re-election.  This is the reason he needed Trump as President, not Clinton.

Well, he certainly didn't need her anymore,after she and her boss saw to it Putin got all the Uranium he wanted.  Putin understands the first rule of bribery:  People you bribe don't stay bribed.

Actually, the only place I've read that says Putin wanted Trump over Hillary was the now thoroughly discredited Steele "dossier."  Every story I saw since that declares Trump to be "Putin's choice" eventually sourced to that phony document.  Everything else is just opinion.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2020, 01:02:48 am
@mystery-ak

I just heard/saw Nadler give his comments last night and he was reading from a script.  There was no melt-down, he spoke in a calm voice with feeling that he meant his words.

Sounds like the Dems have a winning case.  No reason to bother defending himself, Trump should just resign right now, to give the Rats more time to Impeach Pence.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 01:06:46 am
@Victoria33
Good to see you come out of the closet as a Bubbette! supporter.
@sneakypete

Yes, sneaky, when I write a true commentary, you "always" accuse me of loving the person in the commentary if it is a person you do not like.  You know I love you so it doesn't matter to me you do this.  I am glad you are alive to do it.   :kisses2: :kisses2:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 01:12:21 am
Well, he certainly didn't need her anymore,after she and her boss saw to it Putin got all the Uranium he wanted.  Putin understands the first rule of bribery:  People you bribe don't stay bribed.  Actually, the only place I've read that says Putin wanted Trump over Hillary was the now thoroughly discredited Steele "dossier."  Every story I saw since that declares Trump to be "Putin's choice" eventually sourced to that phony document.  Everything else is just opinion.
@Cyber Liberty

No, Cyber, Putin hates Clinton for the years she was Secretary of State.  I can search and find what she said about him during those years and what he said about her.  Where I read about that, the whole story was there - what she did and what he did.  This is not my "opinion", it is what happened.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 01:20:23 am
@Cyber Liberty
Here is one summation about Clinton/Putin. Consider the rest in "quotes":

2016
Why Putin hates Hillary
Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.  When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

Five years later, Putin may be seeking revenge against Clinton. At least that’s the implication of the view among some cybersecurity experts that Russia was behind the recent hack of the Democratic National Committee’s email server, which has sowed confusion and dissent at the Democratic National Convention and undercut Clinton’s goal of party unity.

While Donald Trump’s budding bromance with Vladimir Putin is well known — the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other and called for improved relations between Washington and Moscow — Putin’s hostility towards Clinton draws less attention.

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

“He was very upset [with Clinton] and continued to be for the rest of the time that I was in government,” said Michael McFaul, who served as the top Russia official in Obama’s national security council from 2009 to December 2011 and then was U.S. ambassador to Moscow until early 2014. “One could speculate that this is his moment for payback.”

The notion of payback remains speculation. Some experts are unconvinced that Putin’s government engineered the DNC email hack or that it was meant to influence the election in Trump’s favor as opposed to embarrassing DNC officials for any number of reasons.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2020, 01:25:18 am
Unsourced?  Well OK then, you got me there.  You win. 

They got that Trump bloke now.  I hope he's packed up his stuff for when he clears out of the White House.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 23, 2020, 01:31:16 am
Here is the answer why Schiff was right that Putin wanted Trump to win and helped him:
Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Putin was running for re-election.  She knew what he had done in his past in the KGB (killed people), and the people he was still killing with poison, etc. and every move he was presently taking to hurt the Russian people and used her power as Secretary of State to inform the Russian people to vote him out.  She was Putin's nemesis, his personal sworn enemy.  He actually said in public she caused him trouble in his re-election.  This is the reason he needed Trump as President, not Clinton.
OMG. This has to be one of the most STUPID, or maybe the most STUPID, posts I have seen on this site.
She knew that Putin had killed people? And that was some kind of amorphous 'threat' to Putin!? Dear God, Everyone on the Planet knows that Putin has 'killed people' including the Russian so called voters. Of course they know that. Of course Hillary knows that. I know that. You know that. EVERYBODY knows that already. Nobody needs Hillary to tell them that the sky is blue.

Your whole post is premised on the idiotic idea that Russian elections are the same as American elections. This is an ignorant and ridiculous notion. It doesn't matter what the Russian people know or don't know, there was never a chance that Putin would ever lose the staged 'election'. No matter what "the Russian People" know or don't know, assuming that any Russian would ever believe Hillary's word about anything, which I very much doubt. Obama and Hillary were giving away the farm to Putin. They gave him all, and even more, of everything and anything he asked for. Putin would have done anything to make Hillary and her Russian loving stooges President.

(https://whatyouthoughtiwentaway.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/reset.jpg?w=585&h=430)
You are not supposed to drink the bong water!
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: libertybele on January 23, 2020, 02:08:36 am
@Cyber Liberty
Here is one summation about Clinton/Putin. Consider the rest in "quotes":

2016
Why Putin hates Hillary
Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.  When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

Five years later, Putin may be seeking revenge against Clinton. At least that’s the implication of the view among some cybersecurity experts that Russia was behind the recent hack of the Democratic National Committee’s email server, which has sowed confusion and dissent at the Democratic National Convention and undercut Clinton’s goal of party unity.

While Donald Trump’s budding bromance with Vladimir Putin is well known — the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other and called for improved relations between Washington and Moscow — Putin’s hostility towards Clinton draws less attention.

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

“He was very upset [with Clinton] and continued to be for the rest of the time that I was in government,” said Michael McFaul, who served as the top Russia official in Obama’s national security council from 2009 to December 2011 and then was U.S. ambassador to Moscow until early 2014. “One could speculate that this is his moment for payback.”

The notion of payback remains speculation. Some experts are unconvinced that Putin’s government engineered the DNC email hack or that it was meant to influence the election in Trump’s favor as opposed to embarrassing DNC officials for any number of reasons.

@Victoria33  -- I actually read the commentary and it is very "watered" down without any real substance.  When the article starts out to say "allegations" that means nothing has been proven.  It continues on to say that there is a well-known "bromance" between Putin and Trump -- " the two men have exchanged admiring words about each other and called for improved relations between Washington and Moscow"   Seriously?  Two of the World's Superpower leaders actually making an attempt to make some headway and maintain a relationship; how dare they!  I guess we'd be much better off if they absolutely had no respect for each other and each of them instead threatened to nuke one another!

I find it difficult to understand how it seems Clinton comes out of all of this completely innocent in your eyes and Trump is guilty without any proof.  Allegations, accusations, and assumptions don't equal fact.  President Donald J. Trump is innocent until he is proven guilty; he is not guilty until he is proven innocent. 

I realize you don't like his character. I get that and I know you've made your own "professional" assessment of him, but that does NOT make him guilty of anything other than having poor character that you and others don't like.  That is NOT a crime; at least it shouldn't be unless you're Trump.  It's considered a crime only by the leftists.  They lie and accuse and make the same "allegations" over and over until people believe that those allegations are factually true.  That is how they roll.

Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 02:16:46 am
@240B

Read my post 144 for more information documenting the relationship between Putin/Clinton.  Aside from that information, I heard Clinton say at a public gathering that Putin was a murderer.  It is one thing for George down the street to say that, but is quite another thing when a US Secretary of State says that in public.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 23, 2020, 02:20:37 am


Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and Putin was running for re-election.  She knew what he had done in his past in the KGB (killed people), and the people he was still killing with poison, etc. and every move he was presently taking to hurt the Russian people and used her power as Secretary of State to inform the Russian people to vote him out.  She was Putin's nemesis, his personal sworn enemy. 

@Victoria33   Are you high?  Seriously, are you high?  Never mind the fact that John F'n Kerry was Secretary of State, not Hillary Clinton.  Not to mention the fact that when Hillary was SoS, she sold Putin one-fourth of our total uranium stockpile.  And then there's all the money that Putin gave to the Clinton Foundation that ended up in Hillary's campaign chest.

So considering all those facts, I ask once more.  Are you high?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 02:32:26 am
@libertybele

You said: "I find it difficult to understand how it seems Clinton comes out of all of this completely innocent in your eyes and Trump is guilty without any proof.  Allegations, accusations, and assumptions don't equal fact.  President Donald J. Trump is innocent until he is proven guilty; he is not guilty until he is proven innocent."

I stated what happened; there is no judgement to be made.  Clinton did what she did and Putin did what he did.  Their feud had nothing to do with Trump, except Putin would rather have Trump as President, than Clinton, since Putin hated her for what she did when Secretary of State.  Anyone who upsets Putin is in his cross-hairs from then on, and more especially when it is a woman.  If I were she, I would not accept a cake sent to me from Putin.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 02:39:15 am
The only thing Putin did that mattered was (allegedly) expose the DNC's corruption to everyone in the country.  That's it, and it's the kind of things Democrats would have been applauding had something equivalent happened to embarrass the RNC.  I find it laughable for Democrats to argue the election would somehow have been more fair or honest if the complete truth -- the actual facts and documents of the kind about which Democrats speak so highly now -- had been concealed from voters rather than exposed.  "You told the voters what we really thought about them, and how we rigged the primary!  That's just wrong!"

What a joke.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 02:39:53 am
@Hoodat

Read my post 144 for further information about the relationship between Putin and Clinton.  That post spells out why Putin hated Clinton and did not want her to be President.

Another subject: The Uranium One deal took six (I think it was six, have to look it up again) departments of our government to approve that deal.  She was one vote of the group so she could not do it alone.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 02:45:22 am
@Hoodat


Another subject: The Uranium One deal took six (I think it was six, have to look it up again) departments of our government to approve that deal.  She was one vote of the group so she could not do it alone.

Wow -- it's not enough to go full anti-Trump.  You're now carrying water for Hillary.  Anyway....

The fact that it took six departments is irrelevant.  They're departments all headed up by Obama appointees, all part of the same club, going to the same cocktail parties, etc..  If they know it is something the very powerful and connected Secretary of State really wanted, they'd have gone along to get along because that's how things are done in Washington.  Maybe they'd have gone along honestly because they trusted her judgement, or maybe they just didn't want to cross the person who they all believed was likely to be the next President of the United States.  So even if they thought it was skeevy...they weren't going to make waves, so they just went along with her approval.

Those are things that are impossible to know, because they're not the type of things on which people are going to want to make waves if they generally support their party and/or the Administration.  So all we're left with is a massive appearance of impropriety, and the Sec State getting a whole bunch of money put into her back pocket.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: libertybele on January 23, 2020, 02:49:55 am
@Hoodat

Read my post 144 for further information about the relationship between Putin and Clinton.  That post spells out why Putin hated Clinton and did not want her to be President.

Another subject: The Uranium One deal took six (I think it was six, have to look it up again) departments of our government to approve that deal.  She was one vote of the group so she could not do it alone.

??? What ???  Here I thought "Uranium One" was nothing more than a conspiracy theory.  Putin would never dabble in Uranium nor would he contribute to the Clinton Foundation!   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 23, 2020, 03:03:50 am
Hillary, John Kerry, and Obama, one at a time or sometimes all together, were giving Putin daily BJs.
Anything he wanted from them, he got and more.
These are old radical (Jane Fonda/Bernie Sanders type) hippies from the 60s, who were steeped in the idea that Communism and in particular the U.S.S.R. was the epitome of social political development. They would have done anything and given anything to Putin.

The very idea that Putin would favor a business tycoon billionaire capitalist, over declared communist sycophants who literally adored him, is nonsensical in the extreme. If Putin did anything to favor Trump, and there is certainly no proof of that whatsoever, then he would have done so simply to sow chaos in the election, not because he supported Trump and not because he thought Trump had any prayer to actually win the election.

If he did help Trump, which I doubt, then he was simply doing what he always does all over the world. He was playing games to sow discord and confusion.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 03:08:12 am

The very idea that Putin would favor a business tycoon billionaire capitalist, over declared communist sycophants who literally adored him, is nonsensical in the extreme.

I don't agree.  Trump was actually very open in wanting to cooperate more with Russia to defeat ISIS, which I believe was the right course.  Hillary and Obama weren't nearly as keen on that.  Russia may have believed that Trump would be more open to putting other issues on the back burner to concentrate on defeating ISIS.

So sure, I think Putin preferring Trump is plausible, and I also think Trump's policy of prioritizing defeating ISIS was the correct one, even if it meant a short-term accommodation with Russia.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2020, 03:12:19 am
I'm amazed at how folks give that much of a crap about who Putin liked and wanted to be President.  So.  What?  All that does is make one wonder about Putin's motive, and whatever it might turn out be, it's to bring down the US.  Why is it important to know who he favored for President, anyway?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 23, 2020, 03:19:38 am
I don't agree.  Trump was actually very open in wanting to cooperate more with Russia to defeat ISIS, which I believe was the right course.  Hillary and Obama weren't nearly as keen on that.  Russia may have believed that Trump would be more open to putting other issues on the back burner to concentrate on defeating ISIS.

So sure, I think Putin preferring Trump is plausible, and I also think Trump's policy of prioritizing defeating ISIS was the correct one, even if it meant a short-term accommodation with Russia.
Sure. All that is true. But a Hillary/Kerry administration would have pulled all troops out of the M.E., essentially giving Putin a 'free hand' to do whatever he wanted to do. Would Putin prefer to cooperate with Trump, or would they prefer to have everything, including all the oil fields, to themselves? It is hard for me to grasp the idea that Putin would prefer to deal with a savvy sober strategist, rather than a group of idealist ideologues who would give him everything.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 03:30:23 am
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Trump was actually very open in wanting to cooperate more with Russia to defeat ISIS, which I believe was the right course.  Hillary and Obama weren't nearly as keen on that.


@Maj. Bill Martin

Of course they weren't.  They are both 60's Communist sympathizers/wannabes,and international chaos is the Mothers Milk of Revolution to them. The LAST thing they wanted was world peace because people at peace NEVER want communism.

 
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Russia may have believed that Trump would be more open to putting other issues on the back burner to concentrate on defeating ISIS.

I can see where the would believe that. Trump is a businessman,and businessmen focus  on "the deal of the day",and in this case it was "the deal of the day" for both Russia and the US.



Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 03:32:38 am
I'm amazed at how folks give that much of a crap about who Putin liked and wanted to be President.  So.  What?  All that does is make one wonder about Putin's motive, and whatever it might turn out be, it's to bring down the US.  Why is it important to know who he favored for President, anyway?

@Cyber Liberty

Putin has no interest in bringing down the west. He NEEDS the west. Without the west as allies,Putin and Russia are facing the world-wide Islamic revolution by themselves.

You can ALWAYS count on selfish-self interest floating to the top. ALWAYS.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: EdinVA on January 23, 2020, 03:36:35 am
We have been, and still do, interfere in elections all around the world, and everyone around the world has either tried to or actually has interfered in our elections.

This hand wringing over Russia/Ukraine is just liberal whining over losing in 2016.
We are wasting time, money and energy over this stupid impeachment junk.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 03:37:25 am
Sure. All that is true. But a Hillary/Kerry administration would have pulled all troops out of the M.E., essentially giving Putin a 'free hand' to do whatever he wanted to do. Would Putin prefer to cooperate with Trump, or would they prefer to have everything, including all the oil fields, to themselves? It is hard for me to grasp the idea that Putin would prefer to deal with a savvy sober strategist, rather than a group of idealist ideologues who would give him everything.

@240B

Russia is big,but that does not mean they have a population large enough to make her profitable. This is ESPECIALLY true when it comes to facing down Islam by herself. Don't forget,she has Islamic Republics within her borders,and still has flare up fights with them. Who better to try to gain for an ally than the US?

Putin is many things,but "fool" isn't one of them. He already has a plateful,and doesn't need to add to it.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: 240B on January 23, 2020, 04:01:21 am
@240B

Russia is big,but that does not mean they have a population large enough to make her profitable. This is ESPECIALLY true when it comes to facing down Islam by herself. Don't forget,she has Islamic Republics within her borders,and still has flare up fights with them. Who better to try to gain for an ally than the US?

Putin is many things,but "fool" isn't one of them. He already has a plateful,and doesn't need to add to it.
@sneakypete
OK.
Russia, China, and Iran, recently conducted joint ops in the Persian Gulf.
My opinion is that Putin would get along just fine in the M.E. without U.S. involvement,
especially with Turkey leading the way.
Syria is a Russian ally and is armed with Chinese missiles.
Really man, if Russia was serious about ending ISIS, they could make all the disputed areas a parking lot if they wanted to.
There would literally be no one left alive to fight.
They have conventional bombs close to nuclear levels which are a nightmare.
I am not sure what is holding them back, but without U.S., NATO, or UN presence, who knows what Russia would do?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 04:47:37 am
@sneakypete
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OK.
Russia, China, and Iran, recently conducted joint ops in the Persian Gulf.
My opinion is that Putin would get along just fine in the M.E. without U.S. involvement,

@240B  I see their voluntary involvement in the Muddle East as a defensive move,not an aggressive one. MUCH cheaper and easier to keep a potential enemy as a semi-ally than an actual enemy.

Russia's prime concern with Muslims are those inside Russia herself. For this reason they want to have their own contacts with the fundie Muslim leadership in the Muddle East,and maybe try to influence the non-Russian Muslims their time would be better spent in Africa,for example.

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especially with Turkey leading the way.

Well,they do have more than a little history with Turkey.


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Syria is a Russian ally and is armed with Chinese missiles.
Really man, if Russia was serious about ending ISIS, they could make all the disputed areas a parking lot if they wanted to.

So could we. We don't for the same reasons the Russians don't.

 
 
 
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 23, 2020, 05:01:15 am
@Hoodat

Read my post 144 for further information about the relationship between Putin and Clinton.  That post spells out why Putin hated Clinton and did not want her to be President.

I read it.  It comes from a Politico article written in July 2016 (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153).  Keep in mind that this over three months before the November election.  This isn't some surprise story that caught Clinton off guard.  To the contrary, Clinton actually used this information to her political advantage.

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And while Clintonites realize that few Americans typically pay close attention to the state of U.S.-Russia relations, there are two important caveats. One is the presence of large Polish, Ukrainian and other eastern European populations in Rust Belt states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin, where the Clinton campaign plans to flag stories about Trump and Putin for ethnic media outlets. The other is that voters of all stripes will surely pay attention to serious talk of foreign influence in the election.

As far as the DNC server goes, a fifth grader could have hacked their server.  The Dems were so stupid, that after finding out their server had been compromised, they changed the password and then emailed the new password to their entire staff.  Within an hour, their server was compromised again.  So for the second time in a single day, they reset their password, and then again emailed the new password to their entire staff.

Of course none of this has a single thing to do with Hillary losing the election.  There was nothing leaked from the DNC server that cost Hillary votes.  Instead, it was the illegal server in her residence that cost her votes.  Because the mere existence of that server proved before the entire country that Hillary Clinton committed a FELONY by violating her non-disclosure agreement as Secretary of State.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 05:10:05 am
@Maj. Bill Martin

I said: "Another subject: The Uranium One deal took six (I think it was six, have to look it up again) departments of our government to approve that deal.  She was one vote of the group so she could not do it alone."

You said: "Wow -- it's not enough to go full anti-Trump.  You're now carrying water for Hillary.  Anyway...."

I am saying to you:  No, I am not a Clinton person - someone on this thread brought up Uranium One as though she did it by herself and I stated what the process is.  Since it takes a number of federal departments to approve such a deal, and Clinton had one vote, the others could have kept the deal from happening.

When I write what happened with any subject, I am writing truth, not siding with anyone, it is "just the facts, Mam".  I do not love or hate any person, I try to stick with the truth of a subject and I research before I write.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 23, 2020, 05:11:24 am
I think it's genius to have Chris Wallace do this on FOX.

What better way to prove to people that "FAIR & BALANCED" is much better for them than 100% U.S.A. Certified Bullshit they're getting everywhere else?

When I 'see' Chris Wallace, I see Bill Kristol.....I see @roamer_1 ...I see @Chosen Daughter

 The 6th Sense.    happy77

We are absolutely genius!  Yes, fair and balanced.   Right!!!!!  I remember when everyone loved Bill Kristol on FOX.  Blah, blah, blah.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Hoodat on January 23, 2020, 05:24:00 am
I am saying to you:  No, I am not a Clinton person - someone on this thread brought up Uranium One as though she did it by herself and I stated what the process is.  Since it takes a number of federal departments to approve such a deal, and Clinton had one vote, the others could have kept the deal from happening.

@Victoria33

The Secretary of State position is in essence an extension of the President's foreign policy.  Of all the cabinet positions, it offers the least independence among them.  Having said that, the official foreign policy under the Obama Administration was to appease Russia by:

1) Selling them a quarter of our entire uranium reserve
2) Giving them an arms deal allowing them to increase their number of nuclear warheads while we decrease ours
3) Standing by and doing nothing while Russian annexed Crimea from Ukraine
4) Refusing to sell arms to Ukraine to defend themselves (effectively siding with Russia)
5) Ridiculed Republicans for stating that Russia is our enemy.

So knowing all that, wouldn't it be in Russia's  best interest to ensure that Democrats retained power?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 05:39:21 am
@Hoodat


You said, "So knowing all that, wouldn't it be in Russia's  best interest to ensure that Democrats retained power?"

Not in this case - it comes down to personalities: Putin hated Clinton due to what she did to him when SOS - no way did he want her President.  When Trump came along, you bet Putin wanted him, especially since Trump idolizes him - yes, Putin wanted him President. Trump is not a Republican nor a Democrat, he is whatever he needs to be every day to get praise.  Putin uses Trump.  Putin is the one man Trump never criticises.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 02:14:37 pm
I am saying to you:  No, I am not a Clinton person - someone on this thread brought up Uranium One as though she did it by herself and I stated what the process is.  Since it takes a number of federal departments to approve such a deal, and Clinton had one vote, the others could have kept the deal from happening.



@Victoria33

...and I mentioned in response to your point why the "six departments had to approve the deal" doesn't adequately refute the allegations against Clinton.  If a very powerful Secretary of State with the inside track to be the next President pushes for something, it is very likely that other much less powerful/influential Democrat political appointees will simply rubber-stamp her recommendation/sign-off.  We saw that exact phenomenon with her bogus private server.  A few people questioned it, but everyone else just disregarded that because nobody wanted to stand up to her. 

Here's what's going on:  you simply are not applying the same level of scrutiny/skepticism to the things Democrats are doing as you apply to Trump.  You are accepting their explanations/excuses at face value without any real skepticism or analysis, while doing the exact opposite with anything Trump does.  That's why people are calling you out on that apparent bias.

It remains corrupt as hell.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2020, 03:02:51 pm
'Good job’: Lindsey Graham congratulates Adam Schiff on impeachment trial performance

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO72eovX4AEDDBt?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/good-job-lindsey-graham-congratulates-adam-schiff-on-impeachment-trial-performance (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/good-job-lindsey-graham-congratulates-adam-schiff-on-impeachment-trial-performance)
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 03:03:30 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin
@mystery-ak

Martin, you said: "Here's what's going on:  you simply are not applying the same level of scrutiny/skepticism to the things Democrats are doing as you apply to Trump.  You are accepting their explanations/excuses at face value without any real skepticism or analysis, while doing the exact opposite with anything Trump does.  That's why people are calling you out on that apparent bias."

You are incorrect.  I accept nothing at face value; I study what is going on in politics every single day, my TV stays on constantly on Fox and CNN, and I research everyday.  I do that because I worked in Republican politics for over 10 years.  I have a framed Certificate of Appreciation from the National Republican Committee for the work I did.

My opposition to Trump is ONE REASON -   In my professional opinion he has a severe Personality Disorder and should not be president.

None of the Democrats running should be President, however I have studied each one's behavior, Biden, Bernie, Warren, from their childhood up just as I did with Trump, and none of them have behavior suggesting a dangerous Personality Disorder as Trump's behavior does every single day.   
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2020, 03:13:54 pm
Ranking Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein Left Senate During Schiff Testimony – Said “Goodnight” and Went Home…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/22/ranking-democrat-senator-dianne-feinstein-left-senate-during-schiff-testimony-said-goodnight-and-went-home/
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: EdinVA on January 23, 2020, 03:15:37 pm
'Good job’: Lindsey Graham congratulates Adam Schiff on impeachment trial performance



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/good-job-lindsey-graham-congratulates-adam-schiff-on-impeachment-trial-performance (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/good-job-lindsey-graham-congratulates-adam-schiff-on-impeachment-trial-performance)
Well, Graham is a gentleman and that is what you do.Schiff worked hard and did a good job... I just happen to disagree 100%.
Maybe Graham should have decked him as he walked by?
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2020, 03:16:53 pm
WaPo's Rubin Completes Descent Into Self-Parody, Swooning Over Schiff's 'Brilliant' Legal Skills
https://pjmedia.com/trending/wapos-rubin-completes-descent-into-self-parody-swooning-over-schiffs-brilliant-legal-skills/


I posted those tweets up thread.. :shrug:
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 03:16:59 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin
@mystery-ak

Martin, you said: "Here's what's going on:  you simply are not applying the same level of scrutiny/skepticism to the things Democrats are doing as you apply to Trump.  You are accepting their explanations/excuses at face value without any real skepticism or analysis, while doing the exact opposite with anything Trump does.  That's why people are calling you out on that apparent bias."

You are incorrect.  I accept nothing at face value; I study what is going on in politics every single day, my TV stays on constantly on Fox and CNN, and I research everyday.  I do that because I worked in Republican politics for over 10 years.  I have a framed Certificate of Appreciation from the National Republican Committee for the work I did.

My opposition to Trump is ONE REASON -   In my professional opinion he has a severe Personality Disorder and should not be president.

None of the Democrats running should be President, however I have studied each one's behavior, Biden, Bernie, Warren, from their childhood up just as I did with Trump, and none of them have behavior suggesting a dangerous Personality Disorder as Trump's behavior does every single day.   

@Victoria33

And yet, for all the scrutiny you supposedly apply to Democrats...you still didn't address the point about why "six other departments had to sign off" didn't matter when it came to the Clintons and Uranium One.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2020, 03:18:32 pm
Ranking Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein Left Senate During Schiff Testimony – Said “Goodnight” and Went Home…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/22/ranking-democrat-senator-dianne-feinstein-left-senate-during-schiff-testimony-said-goodnight-and-went-home/

Someone should make a Motion to dismiss Feinswine from the jury.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 03:19:47 pm
Ranking Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein Left Senate During Schiff Testimony – Said “Goodnight” and Went Home…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/22/ranking-democrat-senator-dianne-feinstein-left-senate-during-schiff-testimony-said-goodnight-and-went-home/

Last night on CNN, a Senator was interviewed and he said there were a number of Senators who left before that session was over.  He also said Senators get up from their seat and go to the back of the room to stretch and they do whisper to one another while back there.  They can only have water and milk to drink. 
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Victoria33 on January 23, 2020, 03:27:35 pm
@Victoria33
And yet, for all the scrutiny you supposedly apply to Democrats...you still didn't address the point about why "six other departments had to sign off" didn't matter when it came to the Clintons and Uranium One.
@Maj. Bill Martin

I wrote the process - I was not there and neither were you, to know what was said and how they came to an agreement about the uranium.  Maybe they had orders from Obama to accept the uranium sell - I do not know and neither do you.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: sneakypete on January 23, 2020, 03:46:23 pm
Someone should make a Motion to dismiss Feinswine from the jury.

@Cyber Liberty

Give her a break. She probably got in a few new crates of Chinese money,and had to go home and count it.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 03:59:53 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

I wrote the process - I was not there and neither were you, to know what was said and how they came to an agreement about the uranium.  Maybe they had orders from Obama to accept the uranium sell - I do not know and neither do you.

So all we're left with is massive self-dealing by Hillary Clinton, and zero evidence that those other agencies exercised independent judgment.  But we do know that Hillary's own Department did not.

That's what I thought.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 23, 2020, 04:00:49 pm
BFD if Senators walk out during the trial.  There are transcipts and recordings that they can use to catch up if they need to.

Tempest in a teapot.
Title: Re: LIVE THREAD: Impeachment Trial Day 2
Post by: Snarknado on January 23, 2020, 05:00:48 pm
Of course if repubs walked out there'd be wall-to-wall media coverage accusing them of being in the tank for Trump.