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Title: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: pjcomix on March 10, 2024, 03:59:26 pm
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Andrew Moseman goes into some detail in Friday's Atlantic magazine as to why electric vehicle sales have slowed down recently to the extent that he is now calling 2024 a lost year for EVs as reflected in the title, "America’s Lost Year for Electric Cars."

Despite Moseman providing us with a myriad of obvious reasons why consumers appear to be rejecting EVs, he falls back on the easy all-purpose explanation for liberals to blame for whatever the woes: Trump's fault!

https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2024/03/09/atlantic-writer-blames-slow-electric-vehicle-sales-donald-trump (https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2024/03/09/atlantic-writer-blames-slow-electric-vehicle-sales-donald-trump)
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2024, 11:58:36 pm
Range is probably by far the biggest rap on EVs.  There does not exist an EV with the range to take me to Phoenix, especially during the summer.  That puts the State Capital out of my range. 
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: catfish1957 on March 11, 2024, 04:29:29 pm
Range is probably by far the biggest rap on EVs.  There does not exist an EV with the range to take me to Phoenix, especially during the summer.  That puts the State Capital out of my range.

And the point that these things drain easily in frigid temps, and getting stranded much more iikely?  This has nothing to do with Trump, but just a product and concept that sucks.  The whole damned thing is enviro-whackos virtue signaling and guilting sheeple into buying into their scam.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 11, 2024, 04:50:21 pm
And the point that these things drain easily in frigid temps, and getting stranded much more iikely?  This has nothing to do with Trump, but just a product and concept that sucks.  The whole damned thing is enviro-whackos virtue signaling and guilting sheeple into buying into their scam.

Lemme tell ya, their performance driving in a 120F Desert is no great shakes, either.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on March 11, 2024, 04:52:48 pm
And the point that these things drain easily in frigid temps, and getting stranded much more iikely?  This has nothing to do with Trump, but just a product and concept that sucks.  The whole damned thing is enviro-whackos virtue signaling and guilting sheeple into buying into their scam.

They don't exactly suck. I suspect they have their place. Suburbia, perhaps... But golf carts are cheaper.  :cool:
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: pjcomix on March 11, 2024, 05:51:25 pm
They don't exactly suck. I suspect they have their place. Suburbia, perhaps... But golf carts are cheaper.  :cool:

Electric golf carts are the work horses of The Villages here in Florida so EVs do have their place but in a limited range way.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: mountaineer on March 11, 2024, 06:07:19 pm
Inadequate range, unavailability of charging stations, excessive initial cost, excessive repair cost, excessive charging cost, poor performance in extreme hot or cold weather ... but Trump!
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: roamer_1 on March 11, 2024, 06:21:28 pm
Electric golf carts are the work horses of The Villages here in Florida so EVs do have their place but in a limited range way.

I've got one coming. A golf cart, I mean... Poor man's side-by-side.
By the time I convert it to Li-Ron batts, give it a lift kit and quad wheels and tires and put a pickup bed on the back, Not to mention a winter package... It will serve my purpose.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 11, 2024, 06:51:29 pm
The marketplace is speaking - electric cars are good for short distances, in relatively flat terrain, and in temperate weather.

Those of us who live and work for a living need a reliable vehicle that will work in Summer Heat, Winter Cold, and hilly terrain over long distances.

Gas stations are easier to find.  Refilling a gas tank requires much less time than recharging a car.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2024, 07:08:06 pm
The marketplace is speaking - electric cars are good for short distances, in relatively flat terrain, and in temperate weather.

Those of us who live and work for a living need a reliable vehicle that will work in Summer Heat, Winter Cold, and hilly terrain over long distances.

Gas stations are easier to find.  Refilling a gas tank requires much less time than recharging a car.
Pretty much sums it up. With the cold North Dakota is renown for, those things are potential death traps. One pizza chain in town has two, and they haven't used them for deliveries all winter. That's a five mile radius, and they can't hack it. Imagine going to the next large town for a doctors appointment (260 mile  round trip), or even just trying to get there, in winter, running the heater and lights...

It's the product that is the problem, it isn't suitable for the needs of any but those going short distances on level ground in shirtsleeve weather.

Trump doesn't have a damned thing to do with that. That's takes some serious TDS.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Bigun on March 11, 2024, 07:52:35 pm
And the point that these things drain easily in frigid temps, and getting stranded much more iikely?  This has nothing to do with Trump, but just a product and concept that sucks.  The whole damned thing is enviro-whackos virtue signaling and guilting sheeple into buying into their scam.

Unfortunately, it's about one hell-of-a-lot more than that @catfish1957 It's about funneling truckloads of $$$ from the public treasury into Democrat campaign coffers (Solendra on steroids) and controlling the mobility of the masses.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2024, 03:07:35 pm
Climate Realist
@ClimateRealists
Electric cars have up to a third less range than advertised https://thismon.ee/a/13185581 via @ThisIsMoney
8:51 AM · Mar 12, 2024

Climate Realist
@ClimateRealists
The battery life of the cars tested was on average 29.9% less than advertised.. Electric cars have up to a third less battery life than advertised when driven in real-life conditions, an investigation has found.
11:00 AM · Mar 12, 2024
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: jmyrlefuller on March 16, 2024, 03:21:00 pm
Range is probably by far the biggest rap on EVs.  There does not exist an EV with the range to take me to Phoenix, especially during the summer.  That puts the State Capital out of my range.
Which would be fine, if one could recharge an EV at the same speed one can fill up a tank of gasoline... but that will likely never happen.

I know with my little Shanghai Scooter, you cannot charge and operate it at the same time the way you can, for instance, a cell phone. So even the idea of hooking up a generator and charging as you go is off the table.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 16, 2024, 03:23:29 pm
Plus weight, high maintenance costs, short battery life, insurance tendency to refuse repairs and total after minor accidents, and of course, all the fires we have seen over the past two years.

What's not to love about EVs?
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2024, 03:39:22 pm
The only place where EVs are a good fit are in urban areas with lots of stop and go traffic.  At lower speeds, wind drag has a much lesser effect on efficiency.  And regenerative braking recaptures kinetic energy and returns it to the batteries.

Maybe places like New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc., should work on implementing EV mandates in their own areas and leave the rest of us alone.  Around 90% of my morning commute is at speeds greater than 50 mph with minimal stopping.  And this is where my gasoline engine is far more efficient (i.e environmentally friendly) than an EV. 
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2024, 04:00:17 pm
This is where governments think they can override market forces

If electric vehicles were equal to gas powered vehicles, or better, in every aspect, they would sell
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Fishrrman on March 16, 2024, 09:31:46 pm
LMAO:
"This is where governments think they can override market forces"

The intent of the government is not to "over-ride" market forces.
Nope.
The intent is to ELIMINATE them.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 17, 2024, 12:04:25 pm
This is where governments think they can override market forces

If electric vehicles were equal to gas powered vehicles, or better, in every aspect, they would sell

I remember when Obama frequently claimed that his administration was "incentivizing" the free market when he was ramming Obamacare down our throats, when in reality, he was destroying that market through government intervention.  It was all Orwellian "newspeak", word games, and gaslighting.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on March 17, 2024, 09:33:15 pm
Unfortunately, it's about one hell-of-a-lot more than that @catfish1957 It's about funneling truckloads of $$$ from the public treasury into Democrat campaign coffers (Solendra on steroids) and controlling the mobility of the masses.

@Bigun

I disagree.

I think it is primarily  about controlling the ability of the population to travel out of their local area. IF the enviro-Nazi's can get gasoline cars banned from public use,you won't be able to travel without buying a ticket,and travel tickets will be hard to get unless you  are a card-carrying Comrade.

Think "pubic transportation USSR".

That was one way the Soviets controlled travel.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on March 17, 2024, 09:37:59 pm
LMAO:
"This is where governments think they can override market forces"

The intent of the government is not to "over-ride" market forces.
Nope.
The intent is to ELIMINATE them.

@Fishrrman

Thus,overiding market forces.

IF you are a trusted "good little comrade" with a clean record and a reliable informer on your neighbors,you MIGHT be able to get a special permit to buy  the equivalent of a "Lada" or a similar piece of Biden to "tool around town" like a bigshot to go grocery shopping on weekends,but you will still need a special permit to drive out of the city on weekends,even if you have been allowed to have a dacha and garden plot out there to grow vegetables.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Bigun on March 17, 2024, 09:41:29 pm
China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/)

A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i5153zb.oN5o/v0/1800x-1.jpg)

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i2gs4dQ7n.3Q/v0/1800x-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: GtHawk on March 17, 2024, 11:29:56 pm
China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/)

A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i5153zb.oN5o/v0/1800x-1.jpg)

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i2gs4dQ7n.3Q/v0/1800x-1.jpg)
How cool will it be when just one of those car batteries decides to go into self immolation mode **nononono*
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 17, 2024, 11:34:32 pm
How cool will it be when just one of those car batteries decides to go into self immolation mode **nononono*
A conflagration to rival Dresden or Tokyo...
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: mountaineer on March 17, 2024, 11:38:02 pm
If it burns China to the ground, I'm okay with it.
Title: Re: Atlantic Writer Blames Slow Electric-Vehicle Sales on Donald Trump
Post by: sneakypete on March 17, 2024, 11:51:11 pm
If it burns China to the ground, I'm okay with it.

@mountaineer

I'd even jump up and down while cheering.