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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on October 10, 2019, 02:16:53 pm
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WSJ News Exclusive Politics
Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Arrested on Campaign-Finance Charges
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are expected to appear in federal court in Virginia later on Thursday
By Aruna Viswanatha,
Rebecca Ballhaus and
Sadie Gurman
Updated Oct. 10, 2019 9:57 am ET
WASHINGTON—Two Soviet-born donors to a pro- Trump fundraising committee who helped Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to investigate Democrat Joe Biden were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges of violating campaign finance rules and are expected to appear in court on Thursday, according to people familiar with the matter.
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Florida businessmen, have been under investigation by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, and are expected to appear in federal court in Virginia later on Thursday, the people said. Both men were born in former Soviet republics.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trump’s private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. Both men have donated to Republican campaigns including Mr. Trump’s, and in May 2018 gave $325,000 to the primary pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers, according to Federal Election Commission records.
The exact nature of the charges couldn’t immediately be determined.
more
https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188)
:facepalm:
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Several photos of these men with Trump and TrumpJr......just great!
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Th exact nature of the charges aren't know. These two ought to ring Dinesh D'Souza for advise.
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They were arrested at Dulles Airport last night...charged with some sort of political donation to Trump breaking campaign finance rules...per Fox
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BKMK
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They were arrested at Dulles Airport last night...charged with some sort of political donation to Trump breaking campaign finance rules...per Fox
By a Manhattan DA. More political bullsquat.
Bet they're charged with something everyone does but no one ever gets charged with.
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Everyday is a new pile of corruption.
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Everyday is a new pile of corruption.
Every day is a new pile, for sure.
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Two Giuliani associates linked to Ukraine investigations indicted on campaign finance charges
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-associates-indicted-on-campaign-finance-charges (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-associates-indicted-on-campaign-finance-charges)
Like I've said it's gonna be Rudy that sinks Trump.... :smokin:
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@mystery-ak
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Florida businessmen, have been under investigation by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan,
Hmmm,speaking of mysteries,I wonder if there are any Dim operatives working in that office? (who says I don't know how to be subtle?)
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The indictment
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466336-The-SDNY-Indictment-of-Lev-Parnas-Igor-Fruman.html (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466336-The-SDNY-Indictment-of-Lev-Parnas-Igor-Fruman.html)
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They were arrested at Dulles Airport last night...charged with some sort of political donation to Trump breaking campaign finance rules...per Fox
Bizarre. Reminiscent of the Papadapoulos arrest.
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Rudy says the timing of this is suspect....no shit sherlock!
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They were arrested at Dulles Airport last night...charged with some sort of political donation to Trump breaking campaign finance rules...per Fox
@mystery-ak
Time for Trump to sic the cops on a few Dims to send them a message.
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Rudy says the timing of this is suspect....no shit sherlock!
@mystery-ak
Dey jist ain't no slippin NUTTIN pass dose New Yawk lawyurs,is dere?
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@mystery-ak
Time for Trump to sic the cops on a few Dims to send them a message.
When he does the 'siccing' it's impeachable.
Nice racket the rats have there.
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So their connection was they donated to a committee?
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A federal law enforcement source told Fox News that Parnas and Fruman were arrested Wednesday at Dulles International Airport in Virginia. Attorney General Bill Barr has been "aware and supportive" of SDNY officials and knew that both men would be arrested and charged Wednesday, a senior Justice Department official told Fox News.
Giuliani told Fox News that he represents Parnas and Fruman on a separate matter and called their arrest and indictment "timing suspect." He stated that he "will reveal relevant facts very very shortly."
Giuliani, an attorney for President Trump, said he finds it "extremely suspicious" that the arrest was made in connection with an FEC matter that has yet to be resolved, and which Giuliani said is a civil matter. Giuliani acknowledged that both men "logistically helped" in his collection of evidence against Hunter Biden, and that they helped connect him with former Ukrainian top prosecutors Viktor Shokin and Yuriy Lutsenko.
Two Giuliani associates linked to Ukraine investigations indicted on campaign finance charges
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-associates-indicted-on-campaign-finance-charges (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-associates-indicted-on-campaign-finance-charges)
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If I was Trey Gowdy I would have never agreed to sign on to Trump's defense team until Rudy was gone...
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erica orden @eorden
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SDNY will have a presser at 2p regarding the indictment of Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushnin.
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Several photos of these men with Trump and TrumpJr......just great!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGhYhgoWoAEYS77?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Cue the Nickleback soundtrack
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By a Manhattan DA. More political bullsquat.
Actually, the story says it’s a Manhattan US Attorney’s office, which would be SDNY, headed by Geoffrey Berman. He’s a Trump donor and appointee, along with being a former Giuliani law partner.
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By a Manhattan DA. More political bullsquat.
Bet they're charged with something everyone does but no one ever gets charged with.
Uhhh.... you do realize that there is a glaring double-standard re: ""justice"" doled out to Republicans only, right?
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Uhhh.... you do realize that there is a glaring double-standard re: ""justice"" doled out to Republicans only, right?
Perhaps you can explain why this double standard is being implemented by a Trump appointee, who was personally interviewed to replace Barhara. US Attorney Geoffrey Berman signed the indictment. You can read it here.....
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/10/u.s..v..lev.parnas.et.al.indictment.pdf (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/10/u.s..v..lev.parnas.et.al.indictment.pdf)
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Actually, the story says it’s a Manhattan US Attorney’s office, which would be SDNY, headed by Geoffrey Berman. He’s a Trump donor and appointee, along with being a former Giuliani law partner.
OK, I'll buy that. And knowing nothing about the particulars here I fully realize these two just might be desperate criminals.
But I'll wager they actually violated another one of those codes everyone violates but no one is ever criminally charged for ala Dinesh D'Souza. No one denies D'Souza violated some law or other. And if the law is on the books there's not much Berman could do but sign off on it.
Just more of the gross double standard prevalent these days.
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Nice to see Trump fans defending their guy before the charges are released.
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Nice to see Trump fans defending their guy before the charges are released.
Really? Where specifically is anyone on this thread defending Trump?
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Nice to see Trump fans defending their guy before the charges are released.
Nice to see you attacking Trump fans before they've even figured out the connection between Trump and Rudy Giuliani's "associates".
Maybe you can help us yokels with that one, ay?
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Everyday is a new pile of corruption.
When it comes to piles we can sniff yours out with no problem.
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Nice to see you attacking Trump fans before they've even figured out the connection between Trump and Rudy Giuliani's "associates".
Maybe you can help us yokels with that one, ay?
This story by AP might help. It seems as if the Ukraine conversation initially started with Rick Perry trying to further US interests in energy. There are people tangentially connected, through mutual contacts. At least one of these guys (Parnas) seemed to have advanced knowledge Ambassador Yovanovitch would be removed, to put someone friendlier in place.
That does not mean Trump is directly involved. More likely, at this point, he seems to have been following some bad advice from Giuliani. The strange thing is these businessman seem to fail at every endeavor. The venture they tried to launch in the indictment never got off the ground. Also, they failed to get a deal in Ukraine. Based on that, it makes me wonder how they are able to successfully raise so much money for political contributions.
These conversations were recounted to AP by Dale W. Perry, an American who is a former business partner of Favorov. He told AP in an interview that Favorov described the meeting to him soon after it happened and that Favorov perceived it to be a shakedown. Perry, who is no relation to the energy secretary, is the managing partner of Energy Resources of Ukraine, which currently has business agreements to import natural gas and electricity to Ukraine.
A second person who spoke on condition of anonymity also confirmed to the AP that Favorov had recounted details of the Houston meeting to him.
According to Dale Perry and the other person, Favorov said Parnas told him Trump planned to remove U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and replace her with someone more open to aiding their business interests.
Dale Perry told the AP he was so concerned about the efforts to change the management at Naftogaz and to get rid of Yovanovitch that he reported what he had heard to Suriya Jayanti, a State Department foreign service officer stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv who focuses on the energy industry.
https://www.apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2 (https://www.apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2)
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Perhaps you can explain why this double standard is being implemented by a Trump appointee, who was personally interviewed to replace Barhara. US Attorney Geoffrey Berman signed the indictment. You can read it here.....
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/10/u.s..v..lev.parnas.et.al.indictment.pdf (http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/10/u.s..v..lev.parnas.et.al.indictment.pdf)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I know. It still remains to be seen whether these two are guilty of anything other than their "association" with Trump. And most of the idiots that represent the SDNY are probably Trump haters.
Are you really going to attempt to deny that there IS a massive double-standard going on in this country re: the left skates while the right gets arrested and/or does time?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I know. It still remains to be seen whether these two are guilty of anything other than their "association" with Trump. And most of the idiots that represent the SDNY are probably Trump haters.
Are you really going to attempt to deny that there IS a massive double-standard going on in this country re: the left skates while the right gets arrested and/or does time?
The people at SDNY are far from idiots. They generally handle the big, high profile cases and they recruit the best and brightest. During the Mueller investigation, criminal referrals for Podesta and Craig were sent to that office. As far as I know, nothing has been done about Podesta, yet. Craig was tried and acquitted. Berman had Epstein arrested and charged, but he turned up dead, before trial. Horowitz, the FBI IG, referred Comey for prosecution. Barr declined. If there are problems with double standards, it seems to be largely internal, at this point.
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This story by AP might help. It seems as if the Ukraine conversation initially started with Rick Perry trying to further US interests in energy. There are people tangentially connected, through mutual contacts. At least one of these guys (Parnas) seemed to have advanced knowledge Ambassador Yovanovitch would be removed, to put someone friendlier in place.
That does not mean Trump is directly involved. More likely, at this point, he seems to have been following some bad advice from Giuliani. The strange thing is these businessman seem to fail at every endeavor. The venture they tried to launch in the indictment never got off the ground. Also, they failed to get a deal in Ukraine. Based on that, it makes me wonder how they are able to successfully raise so much money for political contributions.
These conversations were recounted to AP by Dale W. Perry, an American who is a former business partner of Favorov. He told AP in an interview that Favorov described the meeting to him soon after it happened and that Favorov perceived it to be a shakedown. Perry, who is no relation to the energy secretary, is the managing partner of Energy Resources of Ukraine, which currently has business agreements to import natural gas and electricity to Ukraine.
A second person who spoke on condition of anonymity also confirmed to the AP that Favorov had recounted details of the Houston meeting to him.
According to Dale Perry and the other person, Favorov said Parnas told him Trump planned to remove U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and replace her with someone more open to aiding their business interests.
Dale Perry told the AP he was so concerned about the efforts to change the management at Naftogaz and to get rid of Yovanovitch that he reported what he had heard to Suriya Jayanti, a State Department foreign service officer stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv who focuses on the energy industry.
https://www.apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2 (https://www.apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2)
Doesn't help. Too convoluted, probably intentionally so.
IMO just more media turds tossed into the public arena for our non-edification. I'll be so glad when the 2020 election is over.
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Doesn't help. Too convoluted, probably intentionally so.
IMO just more media turds tossed into the public arena for our non-edification. I'll be so glad when the 2020 election is over.
Vague and convoluted means that you can read it however you want. Don't like Trump? Then, it's clear evidence of nefarious activity on Trump's part. A fan of truth and honesty? Meh, it may be something, it may be not something.
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'Camapaign finance' charges? Give me a break. And when are the going to arrest Tlaib, AOC, and Omar for theirs?
Some pigs are more equal.
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'Camapaign finance' charges? Give me a break. And when are the going to arrest Tlaib, AOC, and Omar for theirs?
Some pigs are more equal.
The indictment alleges foreign contributions, not some ticky-tack technical bullshit.
Their political giving—aimed at Republicans—was funded in part by an unnamed Russian donor, the indictment alleges. Federal law bans foreigners from contributing to U.S. elections. A limited liability company created by the men was used to disguise the source of some of the money, the indictment says.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188)
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The indictment alleges foreign contributions, not some ticky-tack technical bullshit.
Their political giving—aimed at Republicans—was funded in part by an unnamed Russian donor, the indictment alleges. Federal law bans foreigners from contributing to U.S. elections. A limited liability company created by the men was used to disguise the source of some of the money, the indictment says.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188)
If you use more exclamation points and capitalize some words, it might make that opinion seem more credible.
There is a long line of Dems that should have been arrested for this stuff - years ago.
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If you use more exclamation points and capitalize some words, it might make that opinion seem more credible.
There is a long line of Dems that should have been arrested for this stuff - years ago.
Meanwhile the Clinton Foundation is still a going concern.
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Meanwhile the Clinton Foundation is still a going concern.
Yes and IMHO Giuliani is an ongoing concern. Sessions, Rosenstein, Giulliani; Trump sure knows how to pick him. He now has hired Gowdy. :shrug:
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If you use more exclamation points and capitalize some words, it might make that opinion seem more credible.
There is a long line of Dems that should have been arrested for this stuff - years ago.
You might have me confused with Trump and a longtime member, regarding random capitalization and overuse of exclamation points. Also, the idea it is not a technicality is not my opinion - it’s fact. Don’t take my word for it, listen to the special agent in charge, Bill Sweeney, say so at the 4:50 mark.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nAct6CAE3Gk#)
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Meanwhile the Clinton Foundation is still a going concern.
I’m having a hard time remembering specifically who, but I vaguely recall someone saying she had ‘suffered enough’ and that ‘lock her up’ was something great to say, during the campaign, but we don’t really care anymore.
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I’m having a hard time remembering specifically who, but I vaguely recall someone saying she had ‘suffered enough’ and that ‘lock her up’ was something great to say, during the campaign, but we don’t really care anymore.
@edpc
I remember the "suffered enough" part,but can't remember which prominent alleged Republican (I THINK) said it. I don't remember the second part,but it was so obvious it really didn't need to be said.
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@edpc
I remember the "suffered enough" part,but can't remember which prominent alleged Republican (I THINK) said it. I don't remember the second part,but it was so obvious it really didn't need to be said.
Allow me to help jog your memory.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PkpvCfwv22I#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lojUM9wihfI#)
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You might have me confused with Trump and a longtime member, regarding random capitalization and overuse of exclamation points. Also, the idea it is not a technicality is not my opinion - it’s fact. Don’t take my word for it, listen to the special agent in charge, Bill Sweeney, say so at the 4:50 mark.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nAct6CAE3Gk#)
Nice evasion. Do you really think your boilerplate is the complete picture, because you can post a youtube video?
Again, waiting for some Dems to be convicted on campaign finance violations.
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Nice evasion. Do you really think your boilerplate is the complete picture, because you can post a youtube video?
Again, waiting for some Dems to be convicted on campaign finance violations.
Yes, I can post a video. Can you use a search engine? FFS....aren’t you supposed to be technical, here? Have you ever heard of Charles Kushner, the guy sent to jail by Christie for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions, and witness tampering?
Look up Jeffrey Thompson and Jerry Lundergan, while you’re at it. I’m really embarrassed for you.
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When it comes to piles we can sniff yours out with no problem.
enjoy.
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Nice to see you attacking Trump fans before they've even figured out the connection between Trump and Rudy Giuliani's "associates".
Maybe you can help us yokels with that one, ay?
I probably can't since you've made up your mind, and I shouldn't have to because it's already in post one and two of this thread.
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Yes, I can post a video. Can you use a search engine? FFS....aren’t you supposed to be technical, here? Have you ever heard of Charles Kushner, the guy sent to jail by Christie for tax evasion, illegal campaign contributions, and witness tampering?
Look up Jeffrey Thompson and Jerry Lundergan, while you’re at it. I’m really embarrassed for you.
Who?
Exactly.
Get back to me when the FBI stops it's selective enforcement.
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Who?
Exactly.
Get back to me when the FBI stops it's selective enforcement.
@Free Vulcan @edpc
Your grandchildren won't live that long.