Looks like Sneaky Ted's delegate buying is having an adverse effect on him with the actual voters he doesn't give on thought about.
Trump could win by a landslide in PA and still won't get more than 17 delegates out of 71 delegates. The party runs the Primaries. If it is so unfair, the Orange Baboon could always go back to the Patriot Party.
Trump could win by a landslide in PA and still won't get more than 17 delegates out of 71 delegates. The party runs the Primaries. If it is so unfair, the Orange Baboon could always go back to the Patriot Party.
Nice try Carling. Trump could win by a landslide in PA and still won't get more than 17 delegates out of 71 delegates. The party runs the Primaries. If it is so unfair, the Orange Baboon could always go back to the Patriot Party.
That's a pipe dream, as a good number of the delegate candidates have already pledged to vote as their district votes. Cruz will steal some, though he has very little support among actual voters...a fact you should be embarrassed by, rather than touting. But, if you're candidate is unethical I guess it follows that his supporters would be no different.
Nice try Carling. Trump could win by a landslide in PA and still won't get more than 17 delegates out of 71 delegates. The party runs the Primaries. If it is so unfair, the Orange Baboon could always go back to the Patriot Party.
A lot of people might jump off the Brooklyn Bridge if Trump tells them to. Doesn't mean I will follow them. Trump is a buffoon, a bully and an idiot. He runs a simplistic campaign with mobster tactics. If he is the nominee, he will lose and his supporters will deserve all the blame.
And once again, it gives me the opportunity to post this image:
Carling's still around?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=203475.new#new
Ted should win at least 27 to 28 delegates based on my analysis of the slate by CD.
He may end up with even more as his 'uncommitted' delegates weigh in.
Follow the above link to see my anaysis.
So vote tomorrow , Cruz supporters!!!
A lot of people might jump off the Brooklyn Bridge if Trump tells them to. Doesn't mean I will follow them.
Trump is a buffoon, a bully and an idiot.
He runs a simplistic campaign with mobster tactics.
If he is the nominee, he will lose and his supporters will deserve all the blame.
AbDEM is Carling?? Figures! Whining and prevaricating incessantly........ It figures that guy is Carling!
I have no idea who this Carling is that some posters keep calling me. I thought it was because I like beer.
Hope Cruz supporters vote in DROVES tomorrow! The delegate count is what matters, and Ted's got that figured out.
Yes. That hideous use of an image that is totally disrespectful to our troops who fought and died to free the Iraqis from tyranny so that they could vote for the first time.
And you compare it to voting for a vulgar Progressive liar like Trump.
SHAME on you, Fishrrman. You are becoming what you have despised.....
I fought in Iraq (Army), and I don't find the image's use disrespectful at all. It makes a point, that voting is sacred and that politicians who play manipulation games to steal them are unworthy of the Presidency.
Yep, Cruz' mob tactics of buying delegates are sure earning him voters in PA. What's he at now, 20%? He'll get smashed in a general election after subverting the will of voters in very large states. He and his followers will have earned everything that would come their way.
Cruz is not buying delegates , especially in PA. The slates which will be voted on tomorrow, were worked hard for by the grass roots supporters for months.
Trump got burned in WI because he trash talked Walker. Its the trash talk that has me concerned if Trump is the nominee.
Cruz is not buying delegates , especially in PA. The slates which will be voted on tomorrow, were worked hard for by the grass roots supporters for months.
Trump got burned in WI because he trash talked Walker. Its the trash talk that has me concerned if Trump is the nominee.
Cruz will likely lose every single one of those states tomorrow, with the possible exception of Indiana.
Cruz hasn't bought votes anywhere. The Trump followers believe his lies that Caucus voters aren't people because they need to be perpetually disgruntled because things aren't "fair" to Donald.
Cruz is playing by the rules.
Trump doesn't have a clue as to what the rules are.
And it will not matter a damned bit if he does!
Right, because you Cruz supporters seem to think that going against the will of GOP voters is going to somehow make them support Cruz in large numbers in the general election. I haven't figured that one out yet at all.
And since you cannot get your mind wrapped around the fact that Trump has never gotten more that about 1/3 support anywhere other than NY you likely never will.Arizona, 47%....that is not New York.
And since you cannot get your mind wrapped around the fact that Trump has never gotten more that about 1/3 support anywhere other than NY you likely never will.
Hint for you! There are NOT going to be any democrat crossover voters at the convention in Cleveland serving as delegates. There will only be republicans who have paid their dues working in the party at that event!
That's a false statement. Retract it or be considered dishonest.
Bigun and Sinkspur both...simply make things up whole cloth.
When called, they can never provide data or sourcing. Sink's latest one about Trump underperforming the polling in EVERY state other than NY was a doozy...but it doesn't slow him down. I guess just making stuff up as you go is the last resort when you've lost an argument on the substance.
Yes. That hideous use of an image that is totally disrespectful to our troops who fought and died to free the Iraqis from tyranny so that they could vote for the first time.
And you compare it to voting for a vulgar Progressive liar like Trump.
SHAME on you, Fishrrman. You are becoming what you have despised.....
The disappointment, that Trump is taking it to the finish, even when they double-gang up, compare notes, conspire, etc.
Quite a stretch there, ML. **nononono*
Quite a stretch there, ML. **nononono*
The disappointment, that Trump is taking it to the finish, even when they double-gang up, compare notes, conspire, etc.
Disappointment, despair, disapproval, denial, denial and more denial.
I believe the purple finger is entirely fine. I served in our military. The imagery is great, I approve.
They can't see what they can't see. Blinders. But many see in Cruz, a hyper-ambitious politician, lying, cheating, anything to get ahead.
And all the while shooting off at the mouth like a revival sermon-lecture style. Talking down to us. (We are stupid, uneducated, even those of us with multiple and graduate degrees, professional qualifications)
Only Cruz knows best. A few caucus voters will know best, agree with him. The great unwashed masses, the majority of us need not speak, need not vote.
You have a very active imagination, t_s. I especially love the "ganging up, comparing notes, conspiring" silliness.
It's a cute way to demean us and accuse us of not thinking as individuals, which we of course do.
And a Trump guy talking about blinders?? Give me a break.
You support a lying Progressive with the emotional maturity of a 6 year old, who pretty much hates anyone who disagrees with him, and you accuse Cruz of "talking down" to us. That's amusing. I'm pretty sure you have no room to talk about "blinders."
I just hope yours are not permanent and that you once again become the civil, rational guy you used to be.....
Condescension and anger.
That seems to be your "go to" traits here on the board. I'm sure you are a very nice person in reality, but like your comrades you've been consumed by a fervor that leaves no room for reasoned discussion, common sense, and...yes...the dirty word...compromise with your fellow Republicans/Conservatives.
Its unfortunate, because no party can survive if a large portion of its members are too self important...too morally superior...to accept when the party nominates someone who isn't "there guy". Your way or the highway...probably feels good...gives you that sense of "we're better than you and won't compromise our superior values"...but in reality its just simple arrogance and ego. Qualities reflected quite profoundly in your favored candidate...and admittedly, in all presidential candidates to some degree.
The "anger" quality that you assign to Trump and his follwers is the very trait you display continuously in these discussions. Its breathtakingly hypocritical and this kind of self-blindness has become the hallmark of the hard core anti-Trump Cruzians. Most of you are completely. and astoundingly, unaware that you are simply projecting your own shortcomings on to the candidate you oppose...all the while cheering on an unlikeable, condescending, morally pompous, evangelist who has no appeal to anyone outside of his small sect of the "Chosen".
This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
We're projecting about Trump because WE are bigots, misogynists, love to make fun of handicapped people, want to order the military to kill innocent women and children, we love to insult anyone who disagrees with us, and we're keen on violence. Trump does none of these things, in your mind.
Then--according to your own logic--YOU must be unlikable, condescending, morally pompous and you have very little appeal outside your own circle of friends.
Have I got that right?
Condescension and anger.
That seems to be your "go to" traits here on the board. I'm sure you are a very nice person in reality, but like your comrades you've been consumed by a fervor that leaves no room for reasoned discussion, common sense, and...yes...the dirty word...compromise with your fellow Republicans/Conservatives.
Its unfortunate, because no party can survive if a large portion of its members are too self important...too morally superior...to accept when the party nominates someone who isn't "there guy". Your way or the highway...probably feels good...gives you that sense of "we're better than you and won't compromise our superior values"...but in reality its just simple arrogance and ego. Qualities reflected quite profoundly in your favored candidate...and admittedly, in all presidential candidates to some degree.
The "anger" quality that you assign to Trump and his follwers is the very trait you display continuously in these discussions. Its breathtakingly hypocritical and this kind of self-blindness has become the hallmark of the hard core anti-Trump Cruzians. Most of you are completely. and astoundingly, unaware that you are simply projecting your own shortcomings on to the candidate you oppose...all the while cheering on an unlikeable, condescending, morally pompous, evangelist who has no appeal to anyone outside of his small sect of the "Chosen".
I have no "comrades" on this forum. That is your first, of many errors.
And you, o elitist condescending one, have no room to talk about anything.
Your last line indicates what's wrong with you. You, and a few others, attribute recognition of Trump's moral depravity as being "morally pompous" and "evangelist."
It apparently bothers the few of you that your hero is morally bankrupt, so your recourse is to attack those of us who point it out.
It's not working. None of us is "pompous," and Trump is truly a degenerate. Them's the facts, arrogant one.
Sorry to burst your little bubble in this sermonette you just preached.....
A couple points and a final question to ascertain your level of rationality:
1) As a former Army Captain and current blue collar guy...elitist is a new label for me. I kinda like it.
2) My hero's never have been and never will be politicians...perhaps Abe Lincoln is the only exception.
3) You love terms like degenerate and morally bankrupt...what happened to "judge not lest ye be judged?" More importantly, you are demonstrating a hint of religious fanaticism here...unless you know them personally, you have no idea if Cruz or Trump are, in their heart of hearts, more or less "moral" than one or the other.
4) How old is life on this planet?
A couple points and a final question to ascertain your level of rationality:
1) As a former Army Captain and current blue collar guy...elitist is a new label for me. I kinda like it.
2) My hero's never have been and never will be politicians...perhaps Abe Lincoln is the only exception.
3) You love terms like degenerate and morally bankrupt...what happened to "judge not lest ye be judged?" More importantly, you are demonstrating a hint of religious fanaticism here...unless you know them personally, you have no idea if Cruz or Trump are, in their heart of hearts, more or less "moral" than one or the other.
4) How old is life on this planet?
How was your stint with homeland security?
Terrific.
My bomb dog and I work every day keeping people safe...we love the work we do.
Condescension and anger.
That seems to be your "go to" traits here on the board. I'm sure you are a very nice person in reality, but like your comrades you've been consumed by a fervor that leaves no room for reasoned discussion, common sense, and...yes...the dirty word...compromise with your fellow Republicans/Conservatives.
Its unfortunate, because no party can survive if a large portion of its members are too self important...too morally superior...to accept when the party nominates someone who isn't "there guy". Your way or the highway...probably feels good...gives you that sense of "we're better than you and won't compromise our superior values"...but in reality its just simple arrogance and ego. Qualities reflected quite profoundly in your favored candidate...and admittedly, in all presidential candidates to some degree.
The "anger" quality that you assign to Trump and his follwers is the very trait you display continuously in these discussions. Its breathtakingly hypocritical and this kind of self-blindness has become the hallmark of the hard core anti-Trump Cruzians. Most of you are completely. and astoundingly, unaware that you are simply projecting your own shortcomings on to the candidate you oppose...all the while cheering on an unlikeable, condescending, morally pompous, evangelist who has no appeal to anyone outside of his small sect of the "Chosen".
1) I can only judge you by your posts here........... and here you are a condescending elitist who mocks those who disagree. In fact, you came on this forum to plant the seeds of discord with your belittling of the majority of this forum.
2) If Trump is not your hero, why go to such great lengths to falsely accuse those who see him for what he is? A degenerate.
3) I don't "love" any term. I use words that are accurate. Bragging about committing adultery with married women is degenerate, not just to Christians, but to anyone who values commitment and decency. He also debases women with his language and behavior. I realize you're not a woman, but I would think that as someone who thinks he's better than the rest of us, that would matter to you. Guess his debasing of women is A-OK with you.
4) I have no idea. And you don't either. Eventually we'll both find out and realize it doesn't matter, one way or the other. But your asking does reveal yet another part of your condescension.
Thanks again, for the four point sermon. You must have studied hard in seminary. ^-^
Good to hear it. Too bad your political sense is not nearly as good as your dogs bomb sense.
No, I'd say you got it about 10% right. And trust me, I'm being generous.
As for killing women and children, can you name a single president who has not ordered attacks resulting in the deaths of women and children? Or are you one of those idiots who thinks war is a sanitized affair with no collateral casualties? No one, especially Trump is calling for targeting civilians, but he is clear that we must go after leadership targets whether or not they are hiding amongst their families or not. Perhaps you think FDR was a war criminal...and George Bush as well?
Your logic...well...its missing.
Well, he is a very good dog =)
Condescension and anger.
That seems to be your "go to" traits here on the board. I'm sure you are a very nice person in reality, but like your comrades you've been consumed by a fervor that leaves no room for reasoned discussion, common sense, and...yes...the dirty word...compromise with your fellow Republicans/Conservatives.
Its unfortunate, because no party can survive if a large portion of its members are too self important...too morally superior...to accept when the party nominates someone who isn't "there guy". Your way or the highway...probably feels good...gives you that sense of "we're better than you and won't compromise our superior values"...but in reality its just simple arrogance and ego. Qualities reflected quite profoundly in your favored candidate...and admittedly, in all presidential candidates to some degree.
The "anger" quality that you assign to Trump and his follwers is the very trait you display continuously in these discussions. Its breathtakingly hypocritical and this kind of self-blindness has become the hallmark of the hard core anti-Trump Cruzians. Most of you are completely. and astoundingly, unaware that you are simply projecting your own shortcomings on to the candidate you oppose...all the while cheering on an unlikeable, condescending, morally pompous, evangelist who has no appeal to anyone outside of his small sect of the "Chosen".
I notice you didn't answer my charge that if WE are all those things we despise in Trump, then YOU are all those things you hate about Cruz. I guess you realized you don't really have any idea what "projection" is.
Trump said we must kill the wives and children of terrorists. He didn't say anything about terrorists hiding among them. He backed off, of course, after the military said they would refuse such orders. But it's still a disqualifier that a presidential candidate would propose something like this.
You can call it what you want. Party loyalty only goes so far. Where it does not go for me is when the party nominates someone whose political predilections are indistinguishable from those of the other party. And his words by themselves count very little because he has already stated in his own book that he uses creative hyperbole - his euphemism for lying - during negotiations because it's all about making the other guy feel like he got what he wanted, whether or not he actually got what he wanted.
Based on Trump's own past, and taking into account his admitted propensity for lying to get what he wants, I see no reason to believe that his Supreme Court picks will not be just as liberal as Clintons would be. And given his admitted penchant for bullying and authoritarianism, I see no reason to believe that he will not continue Obama's unconstitutional use of executive orders to get by fiat what he cannot get by constitutional vote of Congress.
In short, I will not vote for Trump in the primary, and I will not vote for him in the general, because I will not vote for a liberal, whether openly liberal like Clinton or in sheep's clothing like Trump. "Never" means never.
The answer is that you're drawing a moral/intellectual equivalent...where none exists. I am not fanatical...because I can support Mr. Trump but will STILL vote for Mr. Cruz if he wins the nomination. "Taking my ball and going home" if your guy loses...THAT is the hallmark of emotional immaturity, and THAT is why it is so clear that you are simply projecting your own issues towards Mr. Trump.
As to Mr. Trump's premise, you simply aren't comprehending the...rather obvious...context. That being our current approach which won't even hit a convoy of ISIS supplies because we might kill civilian truck drivers. Trump's point is that we cannot avoid, and must not establish military policy that precludes, killing civilians (including family members of ISIS leaders) who are in the way of taking out the ISIS command and control. That does not mean we don't do our best to avoid such an event, but it goes to a clear policy in which taking out their leadership is the highest priority. That is how a war MUST be fought.
Oh, I do have an idea. A very good one, based on the work of...well...every modern scientist with any credibility whatsoever. But lets move on from that...as I'm aware you will simply evade giving a real answer.
As for condescension, look hard in the mirror and you'll see it in action. You don't simply go after Mr. Trump, you have called those of us who support him a whole range of "condescending" terms. Do you deny this?
Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. It's not a matter of "taking my ball and going home." I am not obligated to vote for anybody. Hell, over 100 million voting age Americans will not vote for anybody in November. At least I will vote for Republicans in down-ticket races in my state.
So try your attempt at shaming on somebody else. And you still indicate you have no idea what projection is.
Trump never qualified his remarks, made in a debate, about not killing innocent women and children apart from their terrorist relatives or compatriots. That's why the military had to step in and say they would not obey such orders.
Of course FDR and Bush were not war criminals, but Trump would be if he ordered women and children to be directly killed as he did in the debate.
#NeverTrump means Never Trump.
FDR ordered the deliberate bombing of non-military targets across all of Japan...including the dropping of two Atomic bombs. So, by your own criteria for Trump, FDR was a war criminal. The truth is, in bombing civil targets in Japan he was doing the right thing. As for Trump qualifying his remarks, he made numerous statements doing so...which you seem to want to ignore for some self-serving reason.
And another point, the military did not say it would disobey a Trump order. Some military leaders clarified that they would not obey an unlawful order...a position every officer in the military has ALWAYS been obligated to support. Bombing civilians in the way of hitting command and control targets, as Trump advocates, is not a unlawful order. Therefore, no conflict between President Trump and the military exists on this issue.
You are right on not being obligated to vote for anyone. As are all Republicans. But its also true that if we don't all vote for WHOMEVER our nominee is, we will lose. So ultimately, you WILL choose between Clinton and Trump...either by voting or not voting...and your choice, along with millions of others will put in the position of being responsible for the outcome. So while you have no obligation to vote for anyone, you cannot escape the obligation to bear the consequences of that choice.
But really, its less about any obligations than it is about common sense. Common sense dictates that a party...or conservatives more broadly...vote for the least liberal available candidate. And only a total fool, or someone trying to justify a childish need to "take their ball and go home" could argue that Hillary is not WAY more liberal than ANY of the potential GOP nominees.
Condescension and anger.
That seems to be your "go to" traits here on the board. I'm sure you are a very nice person in reality, but like your comrades you've been consumed by a fervor that leaves no room for reasoned discussion, common sense, and...yes...the dirty word...compromise with your fellow Republicans/Conservatives.
Its unfortunate, because no party can survive if a large portion of its members are too self important...too morally superior...to accept when the party nominates someone who isn't "there guy". Your way or the highway...probably feels good...gives you that sense of "we're better than you and won't compromise our superior values"...but in reality its just simple arrogance and ego. Qualities reflected quite profoundly in your favored candidate...and admittedly, in all presidential candidates to some degree.
The "anger" quality that you assign to Trump and his follwers is the very trait you display continuously in these discussions. Its breathtakingly hypocritical and this kind of self-blindness has become the hallmark of the hard core anti-Trump Cruzians. Most of you are completely. and astoundingly, unaware that you are simply projecting your own shortcomings on to the candidate you oppose...all the while cheering on an unlikeable, condescending, morally pompous, evangelist who has no appeal to anyone outside of his small sect of the "Chosen".
You are right on not being obligated to vote for anyone. As are all Republicans. But its also true that if we don't all vote for WHOMEVER our nominee is, we will lose. So ultimately, you WILL choose between Clinton and Trump...either by voting or not voting...and your choice, along with millions of others will put in the position of being responsible for the outcome. So while you have no obligation to vote for anyone, you cannot escape the obligation to bear the consequences of that choice.
My last word on this: YOU and your fellow Trumpkins foisted this dolt on the rest of us so it is YOU who will bear the consequences of YOUR choice, not me. We told you and told you he could not win and he cannot win.
....except, he's winning.
Hopefully, Sink...old buddy....your missing vote won't matter. For it looks like a lot of Bernie supporters feel the same way you do, and will stay home in November.
My last word on this: YOU and your fellow Trumpkins foisted this dolt on the rest of us so it is YOU who will bear the consequences of YOUR choice, not me. We told you and told you he could not win and he cannot win.
What exactly is he winning?
After today, almost 4 million more votes in the primaries than any other GOP candidate.
Look, we know that the truth doesn't matter to you, anyhow, after your claim about him only winning NY with over 40% of the vote. Nice how you ran away from that false claim. Some of us noticed.
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Primaries.
Just wait for the general, DC. He won't win a single one of those states.
Denial is growing stronger by the hour.
My last word on this: YOU and your fellow Trumpkins foisted this dolt on the rest of us so it is YOU who will bear the consequences of YOUR choice, not me. We told you and told you he could not win and he cannot win.
Well, Trump's support came from those wanting to destroy the GOP.
Well, Trump's support came from those wanting to destroy the GOP. I'm inclined to now grant that wish.
(careful what you wish for, as you might just get it)
That's a false statement. Retract it or be considered dishonest.
Bigun is a good guy.
Yes, a panic is setting in. The "Chosen" boy going down.You assume that the rest of the nation votes the same way as the voters in a Republican primary.
A new poll just came out from NBC...Sink...has Trump at 50% amongst Republicans for the first time. Guess where Cruz is...almost exactly half of that. If the man is getting crushed 50-26 amongst Republicans, how in the heck would he do better with Democrats thrown in the mix?
And if Trump loses because you and your ilk sit things out, then the responsibility is yours 100%. Conversely, if you and your ilk supported him by voting and he still lost....THEN the responsibility could be said to rest with Trump and his supporters. Quit shirking your role in this...you can vote for whomever you choose, but don't pretend you are not part of the problem. You are.
Yes. And who would join forces with those wanting to destroy the Republican party?
A DEMOCRAT like Trump, and the liberals who follow him......
You folks must know how ridiculous you sound.
Trump supporters want to GROW the party by bringing back the Reagan Dems and drawing in libertarian leaning Independents. That IS the future of the party, without which it will have no future. What's destroying the party is this right wing, establishment cabal that wants to retain power and push antiquated moral doctrines on a modern society. The right wing is intent, at the presidential level...less so at state level, on continuing to shrink the party to an insular group of super-religious, evangelistas who can bask in their own moral superiority. Not only is that against the grain of our Founding Father's, its a ludicrous strategy for EVER winning a national election. The question is... How's that been working out for ya?
Oh, and Trump is a registered Republican and one of the world's elite Capitalists. It takes a whole lot of crazy to make that analogous with a Socialist like Hillary Clinton.
You folks must know how ridiculous you sound.
Trump supporters want to GROW the party by bringing back the Reagan Dems and drawing in libertarian leaning Independents. That IS the future of the party, without which it will have no future. What's destroying the party is this right wing, establishment cabal that wants to retain power and push antiquated moral doctrines on a modern society. The right wing is intent, at the presidential level...less so at state level, on continuing to shrink the party to an insular group of super-religious, evangelistas who can bask in their own moral superiority. Not only is that against the grain of our Founding Father's, its a ludicrous strategy for EVER winning a national election. The question is... How's that been working out for ya?
Oh, and Trump is a registered Republican and one of the world's elite Capitalists. It takes a whole lot of crazy to make that analogous with a Socialist like Hillary Clinton.
You folks must know how ridiculous you sound.
Trump supporters want to GROW the party by bringing back the Reagan Dems and drawing in libertarian leaning Independents. That IS the future of the party, without which it will have no future. What's destroying the party is this right wing, establishment cabal that wants to retain power and push antiquated moral doctrines on a modern society. The right wing is intent, at the presidential level...less so at state level, on continuing to shrink the party to an insular group of super-religious, evangelistas who can bask in their own moral superiority. Not only is that against the grain of our Founding Father's, its a ludicrous strategy for EVER winning a national election. The question is... How's that been working out for ya?
Oh, and Trump is a registered Republican and one of the world's elite Capitalists. It takes a whole lot of crazy to make that analogous with a Socialist like Hillary Clinton.
You folks must know how ridiculous you sound.:patriot:
Trump supporters want to GROW the party by bringing back the Reagan Dems and drawing in libertarian leaning Independents. That IS the future of the party, without which it will have no future. What's destroying the party is this right wing, establishment cabal that wants to retain power and push antiquated moral doctrines on a modern society. The right wing is intent, at the presidential level...less so at state level, on continuing to shrink the party to an insular group of super-religious, evangelistas who can bask in their own moral superiority. Not only is that against the grain of our Founding Father's, its a ludicrous strategy for EVER winning a national election. The question is... How's that been working out for ya?
Oh, and Trump is a registered Republican and one of the world's elite Capitalists. It takes a whole lot of crazy to make that analogous with a Socialist like Hillary Clinton.
Yes Mesaclone has the gift!!!! Does make it look easy! Bravo Mesaclone!
Damn! You make it look so easy, Mesaclone! You obviously have the gift! :patriot:
Well, Trump's support came from those wanting to destroy the GOP. I'm inclined to now grant that wish.
(careful what you wish for, as you might just get it)
Indeed. Bigun is a proven, consistent, honest, intelligent, well-versed Conservative.
Calling him a liar is below the belt, and just plain wrong.....
You certainly have an interesting, albeit, to use your own words "ridiculous" perspective.
I understand you much more fully now. You want to attract leftists without moral standards to the Republican by silencing us evil Christian conservatives. You want to elect politicians without integrity, without morals, because of your vitriol against people who, like the Founders, expect character and integrity in our leaders.
I also see that you are ignorant about what Donald Trump stands for and believes in........ that he supports the Dream Act, government controlled health care, unconstitutional power in the executive office, punishing the rich, and a plethora of other Progressive policies.
I, however, think the most ironic part of your rantings, is that you don't seem to mind that Trump debases women, and that 75% of women can't stand him. I guess you want to "grow" the Republican party with all sexist men, eh?
Yikes. You're a sad one.......
:patriot:
Damn! You make it look so easy, Mesaclone! You obviously have the gift! :patriot:
Yes Mesaclone has the gift!!!! Does make it look easy! Bravo Mesaclone!
Yes Mesaclone has the gift!!!! Does make it look easy! Bravo Mesaclone!
So you also oppose Christian Conservatives' speaking out about things that are important to us?
I'm just an ignorant, misogynist, angry, blue collar Trump guy who wants to destroy the Republican Party. Just ask Music Lady and Sinkspur!
That said, you gentlemen are too kind. Thank you for the nice words.
I decided to own my immoral Christian-hating self and make a new avatar.
Oh I'm a Nazi too, I believe.
Leftists? I said Reagan Dems and libertarian leaning Independents. How do you Leftists from that?
No idea where you come up with this stuff...its like you want to slip on the martyr apparel and pretend your religious views are under siege. Sound the alarms! Let me assure you, your religious freedom is not under assault from me...or Mr. Trump for that matter. I don't want my president to preach, nor my preacher to lecture me on politics...is that what you find threatening?
My view is akin to the founders, mixing government and religion does harm to both. I want everyone entirely free to practice their own moral code in their lives without government interference. For example, I'm disgusted that a baker would be required to make a cake for a gay wedding. That's totally unacceptable and a violation of religious freedom. Ditto for making groups pay for abortions, albeit indirectly, under Obamacare. Those are egregious violations of religious liberty in my view. The point I'm stumbling towards, is that I'm not arguing from anything that remotely resembles a liberal position. My perspective is to keep government and religion apart whenever possible....they are not good partners. The Founding Father's fully understood this.
And Trump doesn't debase women...he has a sharp wit that can often debase ANY subject it goes after, but he in no way singles out women more than he does men. Likewise with various groups the Dems want the country to be divided into. I'm not a fan of that side of Mr. Trump, but I'd prefer candid and a bit crass...to controlled and just repeating talking points from a teleprompter.
It seems you buy into the liberal approach that asserts if you insult one woman, you've somehow insulted all women and are now a misogynist. I guess that would make you a female chauvinist as you've attacked one man...Mr. Trump, and his male supporters. Right?
Trump is an equal opportunity insulter...though I'll acknowledge that women seem to find that more bothersome than most men do. But then again, women tend to be classier and smarter than we fellas...I know this, as I have a wife THREE daughters (all Trump supporters...though the 11 year old can't vote just yet =)
I'm just an ignorant, misogynist, angry, blue collar Trump guy who wants to destroy the Republican Party. Just ask Music Lady and Sinkspur!
Actually, you said those things about yourself, Mesa....... It didn't require any interpretation, whatsoever. :patriot:
I decided to own my immoral Christian-hating self and make a new avatar.
Oh I'm a Nazi too, I believe.
How cute! NOT! **nononono*
How freaking hard is it to simply apologize, ML?
He made an obviously false claim. He has yet to acknowledge his error, so I can only assume the worst. :shrug:
Actually, you said those things about yourself, Mesa....... It didn't require any interpretation, whatsoever. :patriot:
You folks must know how ridiculous you sound.
Trump supporters want to GROW the party by bringing back the Reagan Dems and drawing in libertarian leaning Independents. That IS the future of the party, without which it will have no future. What's destroying the party is this right wing, establishment cabal that wants to retain power and push antiquated moral doctrines on a modern society. The right wing is intent, at the presidential level...less so at state level, on continuing to shrink the party to an insular group of super-religious, evangelistas who can bask in their own moral superiority. Not only is that against the grain of our Founding Father's, its a ludicrous strategy for EVER winning a national election. The question is... How's that been working out for ya?
Oh, and Trump is a registered Republican and one of the world's elite Capitalists. It takes a whole lot of crazy to make that analogous with a Socialist like Hillary Clinton.
I personally couldn't care less what you assume!
I DO care about this once great republic and ain't about to let Hillary OR Trump finish it off if I can help it!
You really should study up on the Founders more, Mesaclone. You don't know what you're talking about when you say they wanted to separate morality and character from American culture.
As for 'religious freedom'...... it's under assault by the left. The freedom to practice one's religion....... even to speak about morality in churches........... is being taken away. Now I can see that you, individually don't care because it seems like you'd like us to be silenced, but that's neither here nor there.
And the silliness about Trump's only attacking one women and somehow my noting his misogyny is "liberal," well.. that's a desperate reach and as illogical as anything you've said so far. He has a history of sexism. He has a history of debasing women. He has a history of abusing women for his own gratification.
Presenting him as some sort of political Don Rickles is just dumb....... and shows a total disregard for women in general, not just those whom he has specifically and crudely attacked.
At any rate, 75% of American women don't want a misogynist as President, and I'm one of them.
And whether you like it or not, I'm going with the Founders and the importance of recognizing God's gift of freedom, life, and opportunity. The farther away we get from integrity and morality, the farther away we get from what this county was founded on.
You can say whatever you like against Christians and morality. It shows a fundamental ignorance that can't be corrected on an internet forum.
So, carry on, if you wish. I'm done with this 'conversation.'
Actually, you said those things about yourself, Mesa....... It didn't require any interpretation, whatsoever.
You are officially the poster child for tedious.
Why do you do this...just make up a view and then pretend it came from myself or another board member?
I have never said or thought that the Founders wanted to separate morality and character from governance OR from American culture. I dare you to cite when and where I said, or even implied such a thing.
What I said was that they wanted to separate was institutions of religion from the government. A VERY, VERY different thing altogether.
Nope! That would be YOU!
Driving away large majorities in every growing voter demographic is not 'attracting new votes'. This argument is simply bunk.
And I blissfully have her on ignore so I don't have to read her tedious snark. :beer:
Try to follow this...sorry I don't have any crayons.
The fanatics among the SOCONS are solely responsible for the 2012 loss.
5 MILLION supposedly stayed home. I say that number because we have to allow for the cheating by the DEMS.
Trump is the ONLY one who can bring enough voters into the Republican Party so that you geeks' sitting out won't mean squat.
Get it? Got it? Good! (Kudos to Grainger)
Try to follow this...sorry I don't have any crayons.Crayons.................. :mauslaff:
The fanatics among the SOCONS are solely responsible for the 2012 loss.
5 MILLION supposedly stayed home. I say that number because we have to allow for the cheating by the DEMS.
Trump is the ONLY one who can bring enough voters into the Republican Party so that you geeks' sitting out won't mean squat.
Get it? Got it? Good! (Kudos to Grainger)
Well, if you didn't mean what you implied, then we're in agreement.
So why are you bashing me if I don't want to do (with religion) what you don't want religion to do?
If you think, however, that the Founders didn't have a fundamental understanding of what morality meant, and that it was based on Judeo-Christian standards, then we disagree.
If we agree, then most of your animosity toward me is misplaced.
So just let it go, Mesaclone, and you will be free of your burden. :patriot:
Try to follow this...sorry I don't have any crayons.
The fanatics among the SOCONS are solely responsible for the 2012 loss.
5 MILLION supposedly stayed home. I say that number because we have to allow for the cheating by the DEMS.
Trump is the ONLY one who can bring enough voters into the Republican Party so that you geeks' sitting out won't mean squat.
Get it? Got it? Good! (Kudos to Grainger)
The problem is that I didn't imply any such thing. I'm bashing you because you made that statement up whole cloth, and then attributed it to me. No thanks, I only accept responsibility for my ACTUAL positions...not views you make up for me from your imagination.
I'm not bashing you for being religious, hell, I respect that tremendously when its sincere. Finally, I have no animosity for you at all...just frustration that you won't argue the actual positions I've stated, and feel a need to create straw men to address instead.
Try to follow this...sorry I don't have any crayons.
The fanatics among the SOCONS are solely responsible for the 2012 loss.
5 MILLION supposedly stayed home. I say that number because we have to allow for the cheating by the DEMS.
Trump is the ONLY one who can bring enough voters into the Republican Party so that you geeks' sitting out won't mean squat.
Get it? Got it? Good! (Kudos to Grainger)
Perhaps because you started out by bashing people of religion with ugly ferocity. If you want to have a civil conversation with an Evangelical, it might be best not to paint us all as the devil before it starts......
Your "ACTUAL" positions are pretty nasty toward people who believe as I do. That's fine. You're free to be as nasty as you want.
For the time being, we DO still have freedom of speech.
With Trump as President, I have no more confidence in continuing that than I do with Obama........
Mesaclone wrote:Sorry late to thread.....that is a wonderful image, nothing hideous about it. Only the truth. Yet the people who support Cruz from Canada and his wife Heidi who worked at Goldman Sachs cannot take the truth or post actual links supporting what they tell us about him. Only can gang up on us.
"Cruz will steal some, though he has very little support among actual voters...a fact you should be embarrassed by, rather than touting. But, if you're candidate is unethical I guess it follows that his supporters would be no different."
Good post, sir.
And once again, it gives me the opportunity to post this image:
(http://i.imgur.com/VSHnlAH.jpg)
Trump = Hillary!
There is not one dimes worth of difference between them!
Even you don't believe this, deep down. I get that you need to convince yourself, so you can feel better when you "take your ball and go home", but I KNOW you must be smarter than that. A blind monkey could see the stark differences...unless he was CHOOSING not to.
And those 5 million will stay home in 2016... plus many more (or vote third party/Hillary). Furthermore, the independents that did vote for Romney aren't going to this year. Additionally, the Democratic base will be far more motivated to come out against Trump. Plus, many independents will be just as motivated against him (there is a reason why the most commonly associated word with Trump is... "scary").
Not to mention that even more of the GOP base will not be voting... as they have died in the last four years.
Terrific.Thank you for your service! :patriot: here too...... :laugh:
My bomb dog and I work every day keeping people safe...we love the work we do.
You mean...the way you "bash" Trump voters?
And for god's sakes...yes I said it...put the victim card away and make an actual argument for your view. And please, criticize my views all you'd like...I find it enlightening and educational. Just don't make up views for others and then tear them down, that's just wrong.
There it is. The musiclady strawman! First sentence this time. Well played!!
I think you're wrong, HJ.Many more will stay home if Hil is the nominee.
Indys will NOT vote for Hillary or Bernie. Not gonna happen.
But they WILL vote for Trump.
That, together with college-aged kids sitting it out....ought to do it!
I think you're wrong, HJ.
Indys will NOT vote for Hillary or Bernie. Not gonna happen.
But they WILL vote for Trump.
That, together with college-aged kids sitting it out....ought to do it!
There it is. The musiclady strawman! First sentence this time. Well played!!:mauslaff:
How cute! NOT! **nononono*Yes it seems it is that hard.
How freaking hard is it to simply apologize, ML?
Yep.Thank goodness you found this site.....VERY SPOT ON POST! :hands:
According to the Far Right, we are all angry, tree-hugging, big government, homosexual lefties out to destroy the GOP.
According to the Far Left, we are brown shirted Nazis, bigots, racists and members of the He-man Woman Haters Club!
Do you think the Far Righties ever wonder just what the Far Leftees are thinking...and vice versa? They certainly can't both be right. Right?
Truth is, as usual, that they are both very wrong and are equally blinded by a need to adhere to the orthodoxies of the extremes in American politics. What Trump followers really are, is pragmatic and patriotic...with a little nod to Libertarian values. We want a government that respects the peoples exercise of their own religious values, but one that does not seek to advance any particular religious establishment or sect.
The extremes are correct on one count...we do have anger...anger over the fact that both parties have left the middle class behind in their war of rich vs poor. WE are the ones serving in the armed forces. WE are the ones paying the Lion's share of taxes. WE are the ones running small businesses and getting murdered by Obamacare.
And lastly, WE are fed up and we're not gonna take it anymore.
You are officially the poster child for tedious.:mauslaff: 000hehehehe
Ditto to both of you .... but sometimes your entertainment is a hoot! :tongue2:It sure is. On threads like this....some not on ignore.
:mauslaff: 000hehehehe
flowers, when did you stop being a nice person? As I remember you, you would never laugh at a person who stood up for the lives of the unborn, and for morality.
What changed you?
(I'm not feeling sorry for myself, since you clearly don't know me at all, but you really seem to have changed since you became a Trump devotee. We used to agree on practically everything. Now you mock things you used to defend. I find that sad).
flowers, when did you stop being a nice person? As I remember you, you would never laugh at a person who stood up for the lives of the unborn, and for morality.
What changed you?
(I'm not feeling sorry for myself, since you clearly don't know me at all, but you really seem to have changed since you became a Trump devotee. We used to agree on practically everything. Now you mock things you used to defend. I find that sad).
Getting bitten by the Trump bug is a serious problem and unfortunately there is no known cure.
Apparently not.
Oh well....... I guess it's not our problem, eh?
We're the ones who are still healthy! :beer:
Apparently not.
Oh well....... I guess it's not our problem, eh?
We're the ones who are still healthy! :beer:
The martyr act is just unbelievable. What posts is she reading to come up with these wild accusations that have zero to do with what is actually being discussed?
At least the baseline is set now. If you don't agree with everything she says, then you're not a "nice person." I suppose we can flip that back on her, and I'll assume she's not a "nice person" either since she doesn't think 100% as I do. :shrug:
I truly wish there was something we could do for them but sadly there isn't a single thing we can do.
**nononono*
flowers, when did you stop being a nice person? As I remember you, you would never laugh at a person who stood up for the lives of the unborn, and for morality.ML, Just because I laughed at that comment has nothing to do with me not standing up with the unborn or morality. We haven't agreed on the same thing for some time now, that is why I have you usually on ignore, yet this thread I am reading most of the posters.
What changed you?
(I'm not feeling sorry for myself, since you clearly don't know me at all, but you really seem to have changed since you became a Trump devotee. We used to agree on practically everything. Now you mock things you used to defend. I find that sad).
:patriot:
**nononono*Some days....deep sigh.
ML, Just because I laughed at that comment has nothing to do with me not standing up with the unborn or morality. We haven't agreed on the same thing for some time now, that is why I have you usually on ignore, yet this thread I am reading most of the posters.
I changed around the time I opened my eyes about you and your Cruz born in Canada suporters whose wife worked at Goldman Sachs, went full on to start insulting us. As far as you on ignore....around the time you sided with Icarly she came out in full support for poor Meygn Kelly and that bullsh8t attempt to make that blood shooting out of whatever mean her time of the month.
Later
Some days....deep sigh.
I thought you might have turned on me then. I thought we just disagreed, but it was clearly a big problem for you that I thought Trump was disgusting for his (thinly veiled) attack on Kelly's being a woman.
But on this thread, I'm defending morality and social conservatism against Mesaclone, and I did think we agreed on that. Didn't think that was something to laugh at.
But I guess Trump has changed you.......
(For the record, I have never put you on ignore, nor would I even think of it. I don't have a problem with disagreements. Just ridicule for believing in the values so important to our Founders).
ML, Just because I laughed at that comment has nothing to do with me not standing up with the unborn or morality. We haven't agreed on the same thing for some time now, that is why I have you usually on ignore, yet this thread I am reading most of the posters.
I changed around the time I opened my eyes about you and your Cruz born in Canada suporters whose wife worked at Goldman Sachs, went full on to start insulting us. As far as you on ignore....around the time you sided with Icarly she came out in full support for poor Meygn Kelly and that bullsh8t attempt to make that blood shooting out of whatever mean her time of the month.
Later
ML, Just because I laughed at that comment has nothing to do with me not standing up with the unborn or morality. We haven't agreed on the same thing for some time now, that is why I have you usually on ignore, yet this thread I am reading most of the posters.
I changed around the time I opened my eyes about you and your Cruz born in Canada suporters whose wife worked at Goldman Sachs, went full on to start insulting us. As far as you on ignore....around the time you sided with Icarly she came out in full support for poor Meygn Kelly and that bullsh8t attempt to make that blood shooting out of whatever mean her time of the month.
Later
ML....you are a fine lady with a sophisticated bent.
IMO, you're just wound a little too tight. :laugh:
The polling has been consistantly against Trump for months. I highly doubt it'll change, considering the consistency over time. That's why I think your assumptions that independents will break for Trump to be in error.
Also, college students tend to 'sit it out' anyway. So the only change factor would be if they actually did come out to vote.
I thought you might have turned on me then. I thought we just disagreed, but it was clearly a big problem for you that I thought Trump was disgusting for his (thinly veiled) attack on Kelly's being a woman.
But on this thread, I'm defending morality and social conservatism against Mesaclone, and I did think we agreed on that. Didn't think that was something to laugh at.
But I guess Trump has changed you.......
(For the record, I have never put you on ignore, nor would I even think of it. I don't have a problem with disagreements. Just ridicule for believing in the values so important to our Founders).
C'mon. Really? So I'm "against" morality and social conservatism? Or do you just need to feel like a Crusader under siege.
I'm a father of 3 daughters and morality is a very important part of our daily lives, so I admit I'm offended that you somehow think I'm "opposed to morality". Where is that coming from? And where are you coming up with this stuff about the unborn...I have not even touched on the subject....so you're defending things that have not come into question in any way. Its baffling.
For the record, I am with Trump on that issue in that oppose abortion with a few basic exceptions...life of the mother, rape, incest. Does this position make me immoral in your eyes?
And if you truly care about THAT issue, you will get out and vote for Trump against Hillary if that's what the race ends up being...you may be unsure of him and his assertion to nominate Scalia-type Justices....but you KNOW Hillary will appoint SCJ's who will make abortions available on every street corner.
How do you justify NOT voting against a Hillary who is...100% for certain...appointing liberal SCJ's to further her abortion agenda.
How do you justify NOT voting against a Hillary who is...100% for certain...appointing liberal SCJ's to further her abortion agenda.
C'mon. Really? So I'm "against" morality and social conservatism? Or do you just need to feel like a Crusader under siege.
I'm a father of 3 daughters and morality is a very important part of our daily lives, so I admit I'm offended that you somehow think I'm "opposed to morality". Where is that coming from? And where are you coming up with this stuff about the unborn...I have not even touched on the subject....so you're defending things that have not come into question in any way. Its baffling.
For the record, I am with Trump on that issue in that oppose abortion with a few basic exceptions...life of the mother, rape, incest. Does this position make me immoral in your eyes?
And if you truly care about THAT issue, you will get out and vote for Trump against Hillary if that's what the race ends up being...you may be unsure of him and his assertion to nominate Scalia-type Justices....but you KNOW Hillary will appoint SCJ's who will make abortions available on every street corner.
How do you justify NOT voting against a Hillary who is...100% for certain...appointing liberal SCJ's to further her abortion agenda.
I'll save you the trouble. You support Trump; therefore you have no morals.
This is the binary thinking you're wasting precious words on responding to this poster.
Just ignore her nonsense and write her off as a serious poster. She writes words that your hands never typed and then argues what she made up out of thin air. Then if you challenge her false description of you, she claims persecution and the martyr act begins all over again.
It's boring.
I told you earlier. I'm done with this conversation.
You're very good at twisting. You and I have both made errors here. I don't wish to continue on this path because you're devoted to a guy I find degrading, deceitful and a Democrat and you don't seem to care about any of that.
Our minds will never meet......... and yes, I DO have a mind, and actually, it's quite a good one....even though I'm a disgusting social conservative and a fanatic who dares ask for integrity in my country's leaders. :patriot:
I told you earlier. I'm done with this conversation.
You're very good at twisting. You and I have both made errors here. I don't wish to continue on this path because you're devoted to a guy I find degrading, deceitful and a Democrat and you don't seem to care about any of that.
Our minds will never meet......... and yes, I DO have a mind, and actually, it's quite a good one....even though I'm a disgusting social conservative and a fanatic who dares ask for integrity in my country's leaders. :patriot:
Here's to you Musiclady! I'll join you. I am one of those disgusting conservatives who demands integrity from my country's leader. :beer: :patriot: :patriot:
Alright, ML, I will back off and let it go. Very sorry if I've offended you, that was never my intention. I am genuinely curious how this hatred comes to cloud everything else for those who are in this rabidly anti-Trump mode. It just feels crazy from the outside, like a fever that I keep thinking has to break at some point...and let reality come rushing back in. You seem like a nice person, and I hope we can have more friendly and productive conversations in the future.
Here's to you Musiclady! I'll join you. I am one of those disgusting conservatives who demands integrity from my country's leader. :beer: :patriot: :patriot:
Me too!
On the contrary, the 60% of the GOP that has not voted for Trump (and the 30% who will NEVER vote for him) hopes that the Trump fever will break and that you Stockholm Syndromed groupies will come to your senses.
But, you seem hellbent to force this carny on the rest of the party and endure an embarrassing loss at the polls in November. It will be YOUR fault that Hillary is elected and YOUR fault that the SC goes liberal. You just wouldn't listen.
Reap the whirlwind, pal.
That deserves to be repeated over and over again.
It will be THEIR fault that they didn't listen to the majority, and forced a Hillary presidency on us.
Lady, you and libertybelle are warriors in the cause against Donald Trump. Keep up the good work. There are so many of us that admire your articulate defense of conservatism and contra Trumpism.
I truly think we're in the majority. It's just that the minority is so vehement in declaring that morality, integrity and decency are only important to the crazy, holier-than-thou religious bigots that they make us think we're the minority.
If anything this primary season is showing us that a loud, obnoxious minority can proclaim themselves the majority (in spite of the reality that their numbers are small), and try to bully the rest of us into conformity.
It's good that a few of us are willing to verbally stand up against their tactics and speak up for common sense and decency.
Thank you sir! I wish I were tougher and really didn't care what people thought of me....
I felt like I got kicked in the teeth today, and the support I just got from libertybele, Chosen Daughter and you was like an answer to prayer.
I WILL keep fighting. I will NOT let the mockery and derision get me down. :patriot:
If one even hints at supporting Trump, one is just an expletive deleted, expletive deleted, expletive deleted, lowlife, degenerate loser. The anti-Trumps never read about making friends and influencing people.There is no valid reason to support Trump. None.
Forget Mesaclone. He's an outlier on this forum. He blew in claiming the place was full of Democrats. Lost his credibility right off the bat.
You are so good in your logical responses. Never doubt yourself.
Forget Mesaclone. He's an outlier on this forum. He blew in claiming the place was full of Democrats. Lost his credibility right off the bat.
You are so good in your logical responses. Never doubt yourself.
Trump lost to Hitlary in vote totals in all states he ran in tonight. Donny is a real juggernaut come this fall.
There is no valid reason to support Trump. None.
He can beat Hillary. The best reason of all.Not true.
Wow.Actually, that more describes Trump himself.
The recipe seems to be a deeply held belief in one's own moral superiority, deeply butthurt feelings over "my guy" losing, a sense of entitlement, and the maturity level of a 17 year old frat boy. Put those together and mix 'em up with some anger and petty jealousy and you get an Anti-Trumper.
Not true.
Actually, that more describes Trump himself.
And how are crude anal rape references not caught by the filter here?
Where did you find "anal rape"?What do you think the word "butthurt" means?
Hemorrhoids...sure...I'll take credit for that one.
The anal rape stuff is all you.
Make me worry your mind seems to wander to.
What do you think the word "butthurt" means?
What do you think the word "butthurt" means?
ButtHurt
An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."
What do you think the word "butthurt" means?
What do you think the word "butthurt" means?
The way things have been goin' in the "politics" forum here at the Briefing Room, I almost feel like re-signin' up o'er at freerepublic to enjoy the civility over there! heeheeeeeI can give you the names of several that have, and are enjoying the civility, maturity, etc.
The way things have been goin' in the "politics" forum here at the Briefing Room, I almost feel like re-signin' up o'er at freerepublic to enjoy the civility over there! heeheeeee
The way things have been goin' in the "politics" forum here at the Briefing Room, I almost feel like re-signin' up o'er at freerepublic to enjoy the civility over there! heeheeeee