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General Category => Editorial/Opinion/Blogs => Topic started by: Blizzardnh on December 16, 2018, 05:17:30 pm
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There are many terms for turncoats. Benedict Arnold, who turned on the Colonies in the Revolutionary War, comes to mind. Judas turned on Jesus. A “quisling†has become a commonplace term used for people who betray a cause or a country. Most people do not know Quisling was actually a Norwegian traitor during World War II. Never-Trumpers are not exactly up on the traitor standards of these three collaborators, but their actions border that.
After the Kavanaugh hearings, many people who had previously questioned President Trump came home to the Republican Party. They saw the savagery of the Dems against the former member of the Bush administration, Bush appointee to the Appeals Court, and perceived mainstream Republican.
more. https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2018/12/16/how-nevertrumpers-have-become-unhinged-n2537435
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Hmmmm. Yup. Insufficient loyalty and obsequiousness makes one a traitor.
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They are jonesing for great speeches, soaring rhetoric, and grand punditry, so they can feel lifted up, eyes glazing over, and off to sleep full of sweet dreams and great words.
Meanwhile, nothing gets done, nothing ever changes.
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There are many terms for turncoats. Benedict Arnold, who turned on the Colonies in the Revolutionary War, comes to mind. Judas turned on Jesus. A “quisling†has become a commonplace term used for people who betray a cause or a country. Most people do not know Quisling was actually a Norwegian traitor during World War II. Never-Trumpers are not exactly up on the traitor standards of these three collaborators, but their actions border that.
After the Kavanaugh hearings, many people who had previously questioned President Trump came home to the Republican Party. They saw the savagery of the Dems against the former member of the Bush administration, Bush appointee to the Appeals Court, and perceived mainstream Republican.
more. https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2018/12/16/how-nevertrumpers-have-become-unhinged-n2537435
First of all....there's a big/huge difference.... between having concerns over someone like Trump, as CIC, considering his previous judgment on certain business issues.... and being a turncoat or a traitor. I suspect that many or most of the NT's here fall into the category of "having concerns"... including myself.
Secondly.... just because folks that "have concerns over Trump's judgment" rallied around Kavanaugh during the witch-hunt hearings.... doesn't mean that we/they "came home to the Republican Party". But... nice dream there.
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Never Trumpers feel that their right, to lose again, in a highly dignified manner, with yet another of their weak candidates, is their entitlement.
Key questions:
--Will Milt Rominey buy or lease his home in DC?
--Will Paul Ryan keep a house in DC?
--Will Jeff Flakey keep a house in DC?
--When the GOP returns to normal in 200, who will be their designated dignified loser?
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It's a false analogy @truth_seeker to associate NT'ers with Romney, Flake or any demonrat but go ahead it doesn't bother most of us as we have come to expect that from Trumpers. Have a Merry Christmas.
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They are jonesing for great speeches, soaring rhetoric, and grand punditry, so they can feel lifted up, eyes glazing over, and off to sleep full of sweet dreams and great words.
Meanwhile, nothing gets done, nothing ever changes.
It's specious rhetoric, please at least get that part right.
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It's a false analogy @truth_seeker to associate NT'ers with Romney, Flake or any demonrat but go ahead it doesn't bother most of us as we have come to expect that from Trumpers. Have a Merry Christmas.
In the meantime, we are reported for making crude comments here, while they applaud Trump for making crude comments. It's weird.
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I will certainly admit that my posting history indicates that I have become somewhat more 'unhinged' in the last week or two here. I'm just so damn disappointed that at this years end we have so little to show for having a majority in both houses of Congress + the Executive for 2 years and the icing on the cake is that somehow I as a NT'er is to blame. Holidays usually depress me so I'll get over it soon, unless I'm banned then we'll never know will we.
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I made it to the part in the opinion piece of comparing Never-Trumpers to that of Judas turning on Jesus. The broad brushing of "never-trumpers" as being people like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan folks again shows that they still do not understand that most real life meat eating conservatives that are not worshiping the Orange One is not due to they being Rinos, but because they actually have roots far to the right of both Trump and Congress.
Why waste time on silly spin like this. Next.
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I will certainly admit that my posting history indicates that I have become somewhat more 'unhinged' in the last week or two here. I'm just so damn disappointed that at this years end we have so little to show for having a majority in both houses of Congress + the Executive for 2 years and the icing on the cake is that somehow I as a NT'er is to blame. Holidays usually depress me so I'll get over it soon, unless I'm banned then we'll never know will we.
MERRY CHRISTMAS. :tree3:
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After the Kavanaugh hearings, many people who had previously questioned President Trump came home to the Republican Party. They saw the savagery of the Dems against the former member of the Bush administration, Bush appointee to the Appeals Court, and perceived mainstream Republican.
Who has not been off to a good start so far. At this pace Kavanaugh may easily prove the NT'ers' vindication. Not that his base will care; to them, "Everything is Awesome" as long as Trump is king, and anyone hurt by his policies deserved it anyway.
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Merry Christmas to you also @Blizzardnh you are truly an asset here with your rational and positive posts.
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I will certainly admit that my posting history indicates that I have become somewhat more 'unhinged' in the last week or two here. I'm just so damn disappointed that at this years end we have so little to show for having a majority in both houses of Congress + the Executive for 2 years and the icing on the cake is that somehow I as a NT'er is to blame. Holidays usually depress me so I'll get over it soon, unless I'm banned then we'll never know will we.
Don't be depressed. Just consider how much worse things "could" be. I thank God every day for a beautiful day (even when it's cold as hell and raining).
Because ...every day that I wake up in my own home, with privacy and comfort and freedom....and with my lovely fur babys to spoil....
vs. waking up in a prison or concentration camp somewhere .... or homeless on the streets.... or in some leftie hell-hole (like California) being inundated and victimized with leftist utopian policies....
is a beautiful day.
So perk up.... and Merry Christmas! (https://media.riffsy.com/images/5398d98237383d096134b2aa87bbddeb/raw)
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The glass is always half full and I rarely, if ever, forget that. A Very Merry Christmas to you also @XenaLee
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Merry Christmas to you also @Blizzardnh you are truly an asset here with your rational and positive posts.
I'll just add happy new year @corbe .
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First of all....there's a big/huge difference.... between having concerns over someone like Trump, as CIC, considering his previous judgment on certain business issues.... and being a turncoat or a traitor. I suspect that many or most of the NT's here fall into the category of "having concerns"... including myself.
There is a very large continuum of people who "have concerns," not all of them are "NTs." I have always had concerns, but I somehow evaded being called a Never. :shrug:
Secondly.... just because folks that "have concerns over Trump's judgment" rallied around Kavanaugh during the witch-hunt hearings.... doesn't mean that we/they "came home to the Republican Party". But... nice dream there.
Damned straight there.
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@corbe is a big Cruz supporter so in turn, must be a big Trump supporter. I think we've already been through that.
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It's a false analogy @truth_seeker to associate NT'ers with Romney, Flake or any demonrat but go ahead it doesn't bother most of us as we have come to expect that from Trumpers. Have a Merry Christmas.
Have yourself a merry, moderate, little Christmas too.
GHW Bush (now deceased) showed the way in 1992.
John McCain (now deceased), followed the example.
Milt Rominey came next.
The plan that Trump prevented, was Jebbie, or Marco, of anybody but Trump.
Losing with dignity. I have read it here, the GOP is willing to lose in 2020 to be rid of Trump.
I prefer winning. No amount of foot washery, will dissuade me of winning, first and foremost.
The Insider House majority (speaker) did his job. Blocked The Wall, blocked Obamacare repeal/replace.
Milt and Paul are the insiders' leaders now.
What if Trump runs in 2020 as an Independent? Have any plans for that monkey wrench in the works?
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I think I am quite going to enjoy this thread. It will be supporting evidence that NTs are not the only ones who are unhinged.
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I think I am quite going to enjoy this thread. It will be supporting evidence that NTs are not the only ones who are unhinged.
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I rather like the notion of unhinged threads. Move over.
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Wow, I can't believe how some here have such animosity for others, almost like TOS, they just have to (http://i65.tinypic.com/308gnk4.jpg)
With so much to fight with the democrats who should be our adversary why do some insist on doing the democrats work to divide us?
I think quite simply that (http://i67.tinypic.com/2dr6gk6.jpg) sadly though it appears that some really enjoy that :pondering:
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@corbe is a big Cruz supporter so in turn, must be a big Trump supporter. I think we've already been through that.
Indeed we have my Friend, @TomSea things have changed for me, politically in the last 6 months in regards to my admiration for Ted Cruz though. I didn't vote for him last month, sat out the election instead, as is my prerogative. It's not because he seems to support Trump much more these days it's because in doing so, on some issues, he has abandoned Conservatism ie...that last Budget Vote for example.
I know we had some major disagreements this past year Tom but I do admire your time and effort in making TBR a better place. Merry Christmas to you and those that are dear to you, sincerely.
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I think I am quite going to enjoy this thread. It will be supporting evidence that NTs are not the only ones who are unhinged.
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My thoughts exactly. With the recent closure of the American Spectator, One would think Trump and Trump enthusiasts could be gratious winners and focus their ire where it belongs: on the Democrats. Instead you have Trump posting a totally classless, gloating tweet and posts like this. Makes me think something from the NT crowd must have hit close to home.
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Wow, I can't believe how some here have such animosity for others, almost like TOS, they just have to (http://i65.tinypic.com/308gnk4.jpg)
Apparently presenting the other side of an argument is "stirring the pot". Well, maybe it is, but isn't this rather the point of a political forum --- or should every negative presentation of the President go unchallenged?
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My thoughts exactly. With the recent closure of the American Spectator . . .
@BassWrangler
I think you mean The Weekly Standard. wink777
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...that last Budget Vote for example.
@corbe
You have to remember that, long before the current Congress and administration, it was as George F. Will once isolated (in 1978): Today's conservative has reached into his heart of hearts, prayed hard, and decided it was high time that the government cut his neighbour's benefits.
Remember, too, that President Tweety isn't the first (actual or alleged) Republican president about whom his sycophancy sought to dismiss his skeptics as suffering from a derangement syndrome. Nor the first president, period. Derangement syndromes were first diagnosed by Democrats regarding even the more temperate, reasoned, and logical critics of Droopy-Drawers Clinton. They were next diagnosed by Republicans regarding even the more temperate, reasoned, and logical critics of President Lips II. (Even when it came to Republicans who objected to the metastatic spending when Lips II had a whole Republican Congress, both houses, to work with---and they made drunken sailors resemble misers; or, to those who objected reasonably when Lips II was damn fool enough to sign McCain-Feingold even though he knew and admitted publicly months earlier that it violated the First Amendment.) They were next diagnosed by Democrats regarding (stop me if you've heard this before) even the more temperate, reasoned, and logical critics of His Excellency Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Have-Been-Life President of the Republic Formerly Known as the United States.
It is a too-well-entrenched syndrome (if you'll pardon the expression) for those to whom a particular president is a temporal deity to dismiss any critique of said deity as evidence that the critic in question---whether a well-circulated, well-paid commentator, or a mere denizen of a politically inclined online forum---cannot possibly be a reasoning critic but must surely be afflicted with a derangement syndrome. And they are often blissfully unaware that there just might be those to whom their very fealty to said temporal deity might be just as easily dismissable as a derangement syndrome, even if the reasoning critics of their idol are usually too (I hate to use an obscenity in public) polite and temperate to call it such. The merest demurral from their deity's pronouncements or acts, on whatever grounds, is jumped as if according to a script as fresh evidence that the demurrer can only be afflicted with derangement syndrome.
Once upon a time, a certain magazine pronounced in its opening statement that liberals spoke often about hearing other points of view but were shocked to discover that there were other points of view. Contemporarily, the disciples of their temporal presidential deities speak a little (if at all) about hearing other points of view but become different shades of maniacal upon discovering that there are other points of view. And that's without reminding anyone still capable of rubbing together two brain cells that, as regards the incumbent temporal presidential deity, President Tweety going in was the kind of man a) they would have denounced post haste if he'd run as a Democrat; and, b) who made Droopy-Drawers Clinton resemble a monk. (Now, I wonder: If he'd been a Democratic president, what would they have thought about the fact that only once during his inaugural address did he use the word "freedom," the same as His Excellency [though Obama did use the word "liberty" twice], and once less than Droopy-Drawers, as compared to 27 times the word turned up in President Lips II's inaugural address, four times in his father's, eight times in Ronald Reagan's, and even three times by Mr. Peanut?)
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Excellent analysis @EasyAce
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Excellent analysis @EasyAce
@corbe
Thank you!
I can still remember trying to convince people to read these books and being denounced as suffering either Bush Derangement Syndrome or Obama Derangement Syndrome . . .
(https://store.cato.org/sites/default/files/styles/store-detail-img/public/9781933995281_FC.jpg?itok=704U8MHp×tamp=1426622102) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BZC%2Bzfo3L._SX336_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51a1lUf3YDL.jpg)
The Cult of the Presidency and False Idol, by the way, are now available free at the Cato Institute (https://www.cato.org/cult-of-the-presidency). I only wish this book were available free likewise:
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Wow, I can't believe how some here have such animosity for others, almost like TOS, they just have to (http://i65.tinypic.com/308gnk4.jpg)
With so much to fight with the democrats who should be our adversary why do some insist on doing the democrats work to divide us?
I think quite simply that (http://i67.tinypic.com/2dr6gk6.jpg) sadly though it appears that some really enjoy that :pondering:
Great post @GtHawk.
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Excellent analysis @EasyAce
No it's not. :laugh:
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No it's not. :laugh:
Yes it is. 9999hair out0000
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No it's not. :laugh:
Very compelling reasoning.
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Yes it is. 9999hair out0000
A lot of words without a point is not a good analysis. 333cleo
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Very compelling reasoning.
That’s about as deep a thought as you’re likely to get
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That’s about as deep a thought as you’re likely to get
Hi, sweetie! Good to see you @Axeslinger Merry Christmas to you and yours!! **present
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When your movement is being lead by someone who is about to go out of business (Bill Krystol), a guy that caravaned across the country looking for a place that would elect him (Mitt Romney) and a guy who has a show that is so lowly rated his mom doesn't even watch (Morning Joe) you are so far in the weeds you've become a dead ender.
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When your movement is led by a guy that hired Omarossa not once but 3 times your so lost in the woods it's hopeless @Frank Cannon
Out in the Woods/Leon Russell
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOnK-L19TM#)
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When your movement is led by a guy that hired Omarossa not once but 3 times your so lost in the woods it's hopeless
She is still 10 times smarter than any nation Never Trump leader you can name.
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After the Kavanaugh hearings, many people who had previously questioned President Trump came home to the Republican Party. They saw the savagery of the Dems against the former member of the Bush administration
This is funny coming from the same people who booed Bush at the Republican National Convention.
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Threads like this are the reason why THE VERY LAST forums I check here at the briefingroom are "Editorials" and "Politics" (dead last)...
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Those are the first two I check @Fishrrman and your non presence is duly noted.
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Secondly.... just because folks that "have concerns over Trump's judgment" rallied around Kavanaugh during the witch-hunt hearings.... doesn't mean that we/they "came home to the Republican Party". But... nice dream there.
There it is. The witch hunt causes one to have to rise up and defend what would otherwise be mediocre at best. The narrative is pumped and pimped to take that to mean 'Republicans are right, Trump is awesome, and Kavanaugh is awesome too'... When in truth, all of it is bullcrap, and the only thing causing unrest was a flag on the play.
This is done over and again to gin up the numbers. Gin up the story. The Kavanaugh thing is a very transparent example.
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I will certainly admit that my posting history indicates that I have become somewhat more 'unhinged' in the last week or two here. I'm just so damn disappointed that at this years end we have so little to show for having a majority in both houses of Congress + the Executive for 2 years and the icing on the cake is that somehow I as a NT'er is to blame. Holidays usually depress me so I'll get over it soon, unless I'm banned then we'll never know will we.
Hey @corbe ... You're among friends... One thing this comic tragedy has proven is who the true, rock-ribbed, dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives are... Those that will not budge an inch from the principles they stand upon - And you friend, are among those that are the very cream.
So kick back and relax, do the best you can - Like constipation, this too shall pass.
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Hey @corbe ... You're among friends... One thing this comic tragedy has proven is who the true, rock-ribbed, dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives are... Those that will not budge an inch from the principles they stand upon - And you friend, are among those that are the very cream.
So kick back and relax, do the best you can - Like constipation, this too shall pass.
Thanks @roamer_1 I too consider you one of the finest here. I am so grateful Myst allows us to wallow around in here.
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Hey @corbe ... You're among friends... One thing this comic tragedy has proven is who the true, rock-ribbed, dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives are... Those that will not budge an inch from the principles they stand upon - And you friend, are among those that are the very cream.
So kick back and relax, do the best you can - Like constipation, this too shall pass.
I prefer purgatory where I can pick on both sides.
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I prefer purgatory where I can pick on both sides.
I love that about you too @RoosGirl
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Threads like this are the reason why THE VERY LAST forums I check here at the briefingroom are "Editorials" and "Politics" (dead last)...
That's a pity, @Fishrrman, because I value you political observations very highly.
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Apparently presenting the other side of an argument is "stirring the pot". Well, maybe it is, but isn't this rather the point of a political forum --- or should every negative presentation of the President go unchallenged?
I apologize, because I said I would not respond to you again, but then I asked you to put me on ignore since your are such a partisan hack. Where in my post did I make an inference to one side or another? You take a general statement of my distaste of topics in this vain and put your partisan hack twist on it. Now kindly put me on ignore and and go twist yourself into a tizzy without me.
Oh Merry Christmas :tree3:
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I apologize, because I said I would not respond to you again, but then I asked you to put me on ignore since your are such a partisan hack. Where in my post did I make an inference to one side or another? You take a general statement of my distaste of topics in this vain and put your partisan hack twist on it. Now kindly put me on ignore and and go twist yourself into a tizzy without me.
Oh Merry Christmas :tree3:
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I prefer purgatory where I can pick on both sides.
For all of your searing wit darlin, I know where you stand. And it is familiar to me.
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For all of your searing wit darlin, I know where you stand. And it is familiar to me.
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I generally only swing one way.
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For all of your searing wit darlin, I know where you stand. And it is familiar to me.
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Kenosha Wisconsin?
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Kenosha Wisconsin?
No, I've only ever been to Oconomowoc.
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@BassWrangler
I think you mean The Weekly Standard. wink777
@EasyAce - Thanks, that's what I meant. Been dealing with a bad headache all day and am not thinking clearly.
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@EasyAce - Thanks, that's what I meant. Been dealing with a bad headache all day and am not thinking clearly.
@BassWrangler
Why didn't you say something earlier?
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