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Title: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 12:30:08 am
Tee it up.

Going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 12:30:32 am
RealClearPolitics has Masters up by 0.3%.  That would be great.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 12:32:27 am
RCP has Lake at +3.5.

Hobbs is sunk.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 09, 2022, 02:56:11 am
:bkmk:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 05:22:54 am
I can, for sure say, I am getting nervous.

It's not looking so good all the way around.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 09, 2022, 05:55:52 am
I can, for sure say, I am getting nervous.

It's not looking so good all the way around.
The sad part is that people are assuming this is a vote in favor of the last two years' bullsh*t, and no one is even considering it may better represent refined theft techniques and problems that existed last election that no one did jack about.

In ND, you have to produce ID, and use paper ballots. Republicans swept every State office that was a partisan contest, and the open US House and Senate seat. Term limits (initiated measure) have passed, and a measure to approve recreational pot was defeated (again), having carried in only 4 of 53 counties.

That seems about right for here.

Not sure elsewhere, because I don't live there, but the results I'm seeing sure don't make sense to me--which is probably a big part of why I live here and not there.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 06:19:49 am
The sad part is that people are assuming this is a vote in favor of the last two years' bullsh*t, and no one is even considering it may better represent refined theft techniques and problems that existed last election that no one did jack about.

In ND, you have to produce ID, and use paper ballots. Republicans swept every State office that was a partisan contest, and the open US House and Senate seat. Term limits (initiated measure) have passed, and a measure to approve recreational pot was defeated (again), having carried in only 4 of 53 counties.

That seems about right for here.

Not sure elsewhere, because I don't live there, but the results I'm seeing sure don't make sense to me--which is probably a big part of why I live here and not there.

The way it is looking right now.....

It's a blowout. 

I am devastated at what I am seeing.

Mainly in AZ, but also in other states.

This is not a good situtation.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 01:52:47 pm
Woke up this morning to a much tighter race (and I certainly felt things would move somewhat).....

Still unclear on the final outcome.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Wingnut on November 09, 2022, 02:52:50 pm
Now that the DEms know how many votes they need to win have they resumed the count?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 09, 2022, 04:41:40 pm
Now that the DEms know how many votes they need to win have they resumed the count?


Can we just get Trump to STFU.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 10, 2022, 01:10:00 am
The gap has narrowed from 12,000 to 8,000 difference.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: libertybele on November 10, 2022, 01:14:46 am
Now that the DEms know how many votes they need to win have they resumed the count?

I have no doubt that the DEMS are manipulating the vote count.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 10, 2022, 10:17:22 pm
I have no doubt that the DEMS are manipulating the vote count.

This is about the election.

But I'll ask you point blank.  If Lake wins, do we put away this claim ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 10, 2022, 11:14:41 pm
This is about the election.

But I'll ask you point blank.  If Lake wins, do we put away this claim ?

Not only no but HELL no!  That result only means they could not cheat enough to overcome her totals.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 12:59:13 am
Lead has spaced out to 16,000 votes.

&^$*@^

An estimated 750 K left to count.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 01:00:00 am
Not only no but HELL no!  That result only means they could not cheat enough to overcome her totals.

Whatever.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 02:12:07 am
thebradfordfile
@thebradfordfile

So basically everything Kari Lake said about incompetence and corruption in Arizona elections is true.

6:35 PM · Nov 10, 2022 ·TweetDeck
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Elderberry on November 11, 2022, 02:13:42 am
Maricopa County apologizes to voters…

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/maricopa-county-apologizes-to-voters/ (https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/maricopa-county-apologizes-to-voters/)

(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/maricopa-state.jpg)

Officials in Maricopa County apologized Wednesday for issues with printers that prevented some ballots from being read by machine and reassured that all votes will be counted.

“To impacted voters, we recognize this isn’t how you pictured Election Day and we apologize for that inconvenience. We are committed to counting all legal votes and then finding the root cause of what happened so that it does not happen again,” the county’s Board of Supervisors tweeted.

In a statement, Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Bill Gates and Vice Chairman Clint Hickman said, “All ballots will be counted securely and accurately.”

More at link.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 02:14:19 am
pointing-down   These two know the numbers and the state inside out ....

Tyler Bowyer
@tylerbowyer

This is correct

Quote
Rich Baris "The People's Pundit"
@Peoples_Pundit
·2h

Folks, Maricopa@intends to drop the DEM friendly late arrivers and then close up shop for the remainder.

They are holding batches back that are extremely Republican and selectively drops g pro-DEM vote.

Take the weekend off. If they sleep on a holiday, we know nothing.

5:23 PM · Nov 10, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 02:30:24 am
Maricopa County apologizes to voters…

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/maricopa-county-apologizes-to-voters/ (https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/maricopa-county-apologizes-to-voters/)

(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/maricopa-state.jpg)

Officials in Maricopa County apologized Wednesday for issues with printers that prevented some ballots from being read by machine and reassured that all votes will be counted.

“To impacted voters, we recognize this isn’t how you pictured Election Day and we apologize for that inconvenience. We are committed to counting all legal votes and then finding the root cause of what happened so that it does not happen again,” the county’s Board of Supervisors tweeted.

In a statement, Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Bill Gates and Vice Chairman Clint Hickman said, “All ballots will be counted securely and accurately.”

More at link.

For as much attention as AZ has drawn in the last two years.

For as much as AZ voters have had to put up with.

This is totally uncacceptable and these IDIOTS need to go.

They should have done everything, and I mean everything to ensure a squeaky clean election. 

What a freaking mess !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 02:31:16 am
thebradfordfile
@thebradfordfile

So basically everything Kari Lake said about incompetence and corruption in Arizona elections is true.

6:35 PM · Nov 10, 2022 ·TweetDeck

With the information we have now.....YES.

There is no $%^&#$% excuse for this.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 02:32:15 am
pointing-down   These two know the numbers and the state inside out ....

Tyler Bowyer
@tylerbowyer

This is correct

5:23 PM · Nov 10, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone

How does he prove these accusations.

Incompetence/buffoonery does not necessarily equal corruption.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 03:30:23 am
Quote
We are seeing the last few big, pro-Dem drops. Soon they’ll run out, & then there are hundreds of thousands of pro-R ballots to count. We will overtake them and win. 🇺🇸— Blake Masters (@bgmasters) November 11, 2022

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 03:31:50 am
How does he prove these accusations.

Incompetence/buffoonery does not necessarily equal corruption.

Sorry .... what accusations?  Thx.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 03:41:50 am
"WATCH: @TuckerCarlson Scorches Maricopa Election Incompetence"  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/KariLake/status/1590889963763081216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 02:03:17 pm
Sorry .... what accusations?  Thx.

Folks, Maricopa@intends to drop the DEM friendly late arrivers and then close up shop for the remainder.

They are holding batches back that are extremely Republican and selectively drops g pro-DEM vote.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 02:04:00 pm
Hobb's lead in terms of votes has almost doubled.

It is now getting statistically significant.

I am getting nervous.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Kamaji on November 11, 2022, 02:06:00 pm
Folks, Maricopa@intends to drop the DEM friendly late arrivers and then close up shop for the remainder.

They are holding batches back that are extremely Republican and selectively drops g pro-DEM vote.

Would not surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 11, 2022, 04:39:15 pm
"MSNBC is now saying what we've been saying for days. Kari will be Arizona's next governor."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1590916378726633474
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 11, 2022, 04:46:49 pm
"MSNBC is now saying what we've been saying for days. Kari will be Arizona's next governor."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1590916378726633474

 :patriot:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 11, 2022, 04:56:21 pm
"MSNBC is now saying what we've been saying for days. Kari will be Arizona's next governor."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1590916378726633474

I'm hearing she's still down by 30K with 82% in.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 08:57:38 pm
Would not surprise me in the least.

If there is a foundation for this, it should be brought forth.

Otherwise is this just crap.

I expect the left to spew unfounded B.S.

I expect better of the right.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 08:58:25 pm
I'm hearing she's still down by 30K with 82% in.

If the remaining ballots are from GOP leaning areas....she's in.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 09:02:24 pm
I'm hearing she's still down by 30K with 82% in.

Down by 26K at last check.

This is just freaking stupid (that it is taking this long....).  It's simply unfair to everyone.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 09:06:31 pm
Bill Gates does not like that Lake is jawing about his incompetence.

So what ?

The media is all about her "unfounded" accusations.

Do they not realize just how pathetic this looks and how much this slow lingering stupidity turns off people. 

I hope we have a new slate of officials come 2024.

These guys suck.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2022, 09:13:53 pm
Can we just get Trump to STFU.

@HikerGuy83

Yeah,causen hit mus be all hiz falths,huh?

Your mama drop you on your head a lot when you were a baby,or were you just born retarded?

Is there ANYTHING you cretins won't blame  on Trump?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: libertybele on November 11, 2022, 09:20:55 pm
@HikerGuy83

Yeah,causen hit mus be all hiz falths,huh?

Your mama drop you on your head a lot when you were a baby,or were you just born retarded?

Is there ANYTHING you cretins won't blame  on Trump?

@sneakypete of course we all know that the MSM and the GOPe were going to go after him.  Yet he's lashing out at two very popular and conservative governors. Why??  He's directing his insults at the wrong people and if he continues, it's going to hurt him. 
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:20 pm
@HikerGuy83

Yeah,causen hit mus be all hiz falths,huh?

Your mama drop you on your head a lot when you were a baby,or were you just born retarded?

Is there ANYTHING you cretins won't blame  on Trump?

His time has come and gone. 

He saved us from Hillary for which I am very grateful.

But, he's always been a jerk.  And that still stands.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:50 pm
@sneakypete of course we all know that the MSM and the GOPe were going to go after him.  Yet he's lashing out at two very popular and conservative governors. Why??  He's directing his insults at the wrong people and if he continues, it's going to hurt him. 

This is where what makes Trump good (for the season) makes him bad.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on November 11, 2022, 10:31:07 pm
His time has come and gone. 

He saved us from Hillary for which I am very grateful.

"But, he's always been a jerk.  And that still stands."

@Hiker

So what? Our government is so far into the globalist trash bin that we NEED a jerk to take control and save America.

I ain't looking for a husband,I am looking for a President that will put America first,period.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 12, 2022, 02:31:46 am
@Hiker

So what? Our government is so far into the globalist trash bin that we NEED a jerk to take control and save America.

I ain't looking for a husband,I am looking for a President that will put America first,period.

Best of luck.

We needed a jerk when we elected him.

We didn't need one during Covid.

If Covid doesn't happen, he's a lock for second term.

But he can't see that because of his ego.

Consequently, he let us down.

You may think he's your next president.  But not with my help.  I voted for him twice.  Won't be a third time.

There are better jerks out there.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 12, 2022, 03:03:34 am
Looks like Nevada is doing the same thing.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2022, 03:32:37 am
Greg Price
@greg_price11

Blake Masters' race is probably going to be decided by less than 30,000 votes and Mitch McConnell decided to spend $9M in Alaska to help a pro-abortion Republican beat an America First Republican for no other reason than Blake said he wouldn't support him for majority leader.

6:19 PM · Nov 11, 2022  Twitter Web App
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2022, 03:33:44 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhU-qA3XEAEKYoP?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on November 12, 2022, 03:38:01 am
Kelly declared winner...Blake is out...now its 49/49  :crying:


To top that off the Dems are catching up in the House

Dems 200

Repubs 211.......running out of races to get to 218
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 12, 2022, 03:54:45 am
Just got the notification on my phone.

AP calls it for Kelly.

I'm sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on November 12, 2022, 03:55:30 am
Kelly declared winner...Blake is out...now its 49/49  :crying:


To top that off the Dems are catching up in the House

Dems 200

Repubs 211.......running out of races to get to 218

Make that 201 Dems

Still 211 Repubs...which never seems to change..
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 12, 2022, 03:59:13 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhU-qA3XEAEKYoP?format=jpg&name=360x360)

Well, if National Review knows who or what isn't the problem, maybe they can share who or what is.

I'd be very curious to know how you excuse Mitchell.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2022, 04:28:08 am
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

Hearing tonight's Maricopa drop included nothing from Gilbert, Paradise Valley, Chandler etc. AKA the most conservative parts of Maricopa. This was from the voting centers nearest downtown tabulation center, 5-10 min out and Dem heavy. First in first out. Hold the line!

11:15 PM · Nov 11, 2022 ·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2022, 04:39:05 am
Well, if National Review knows who or what isn't the problem, maybe they can share who or what is.

I'd be very curious to know how you excuse Mitchell.

Sorry @HikerGuy83  I cut off my own post.  I do NOT excuse McConnell --- he is the architect of the defeats we're seeing.  Here's my post as it was originally meant to be --- 


The GOP leadership, consultants and pundits really hate us ---- well, they hate me.   They don't want republican victories if it means they will be expected to listen to and accommodate voters who put America First.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhU-qA3XEAEKYoP?format=jpg&name=360x360) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhU-qA1WIAAmn4U?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 12, 2022, 06:52:08 am
Sorry @HikerGuy83  I cut off my own post.  I do NOT excuse McConnell --- he is the architect of the defeats we're seeing.  Here's my post as it was originally meant to be --- 


No worries.

Mitch is really a pain the butt.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2022, 06:57:15 pm
Quote
Daniel Turner
@DanielTurnerPTF
·16m

It’s essential that after monitoring her own corrupt election @katiehobbs get sworn in as governor and pass legislation making it a criminal offense to question the legitimacy of the 2022 election. To protect our democracy or something
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 13, 2022, 06:17:52 am
AP calls Nevada senate race for democrats.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 13, 2022, 04:38:50 pm
Rich Baris "The People's Pundit"
@Peoples_Pundit

McCain era Republicans wrote these laws in Arizona. Not Democrats.

It used to be because they won older mail voters and wanted to secure their position.

Then, they fell their old asses to sleep . Now, they no longer control who counts the votes.

9:31 PM · Nov 12, 2022   Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 13, 2022, 10:36:12 pm
Tyler Bowyer
@tylerbowyer

ARIZONA — Some votes get kicked back. You need to CHECK YOUR BALLOT STATUS NOW:

https://recorder.maricopa.gov/Elections/BeBallotReady/

And then CURE your ballot— the deadline is Wednesday — making sure your vote gets counted 👇🏼

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FheCZ5kX0AQ2Qca?format=jpg&name=900x900)

3:05 PM · Nov 13, 2022     Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 14, 2022, 12:05:49 am
89% reporting and Hobbs lead is now 36,000.

If something does not shift soon, it's over.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 07:12:12 am
Apparently it is being called for Hobbs.

Lake was looking so good in her campaign.

Can't understand what happened.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: jafo2010 on November 15, 2022, 07:54:47 am
Quote
HikerGuy83
          ...can't understand what happened
What happened comes with a simple explanation.  Now listen closely, for I do not want you to miss it.

THE ELECTION WAS FIXED.  DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE WAS A RED WAVE AND 80% OF THE PEOPLE VOTED REPUBLICAN, THEY HAVE ALGORITHYMS THAT FIX THE ELECTION.  NOT BY SOME BIG MARGIN, BUT JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO FIX THE ELECTION WITH THE OUTCOME THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.

ELECTRONIC VOTING IS NOT SECURE.  THE ONLY SOLUTION IS MANUAL VOTING.  UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS FORCE THAT, ELECTRONIC VOTE FIXING WILL BE A PART OF OUR LIFE.

Again, George Soros did not buy the tabulating firms in the USA and Europe to ensure fair and free elections.  Wake the f*&^ up people!!!

The people in Russia believe they have fair and free elections because they are told so by media completely controlled by Vladimir Putin.  You think we are any different today from Putin's Russia?  Really?  Are you that stupid?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 15, 2022, 11:31:29 am
What happened comes with a simple explanation.  Now listen closely, for I do not want you to miss it.

THE ELECTION WAS FIXED.  DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE WAS A RED WAVE AND 80% OF THE PEOPLE VOTED REPUBLICAN, THEY HAVE ALGORITHYMS THAT FIX THE ELECTION.  NOT BY SOME BIG MARGIN, BUT JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO FIX THE ELECTION WITH THE OUTCOME THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.

ELECTRONIC VOTING IS NOT SECURE.  THE ONLY SOLUTION IS MANUAL VOTING.  UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS FORCE THAT, ELECTRONIC VOTE FIXING WILL BE A PART OF OUR LIFE.

Again, George Soros did not buy the tabulating firms in the USA and Europe to ensure fair and free elections.  Wake the f*&^ up people!!!

The people in Russia believe they have fair and free elections because they are told so by media completely controlled by Vladimir Putin.  You think we are any different today from Putin's Russia?  Really?  Are you that stupid?

So tired of this constant idiotic conspiratorial thinking all it does is suppress turnout.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mountaineer on November 15, 2022, 01:03:15 pm
     Nov 14, 2022
REVEALED: Top Maricopa County election official donated to far-left ‘resistance group’ PatriotTakes
PatriotTakes is a hybrid pack that describes itself on Twitter as a group of "dedicated researchers monitoring and exposing right-wing extremism and other threats to democracy."
Roberto Wakerell-Cruz
Quote
On Monday it was revealed that top Maricopa County election officer Stephen Richer, who helped to oversee elections in Arizona, donated to the far-left "resistance group" PatriotTakes.

PatriotTakes is a hybrid pack that describes itself on Twitter as a group of "dedicated researchers monitoring and exposing right-wing extremism and other threats to democracy."

Data available on the Federal Elections Commission's website shows that Richer donated $40.00 in July of this year.

Previously, Richer had launched a PAC in 2021 to stop MAGA candidates. ...
The Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-top-maricopa-county-election-official-donated-to-far-left-resistance-group-patriottakes)
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mountaineer on November 15, 2022, 02:24:27 pm
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
ARIZONA.🗳️🚨
Here is what a state election that makes no sense looks like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhkUuFNXEAAxg06?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 04:47:23 pm
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
ARIZONA.🗳️🚨
Here is what a state election that makes no sense looks like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhkUuFNXEAAxg06?format=jpg&name=small)

You want to explain how it makes no sense ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 04:47:56 pm
So tired of this constant idiotic conspiratorial thinking all it does is suppress turnout.

As well as setting the stage for yet another butt-kicking in 2024.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 04:48:42 pm
     Nov 14, 2022
REVEALED: Top Maricopa County election official donated to far-left ‘resistance group’ PatriotTakes
PatriotTakes is a hybrid pack that describes itself on Twitter as a group of "dedicated researchers monitoring and exposing right-wing extremism and other threats to democracy."
Roberto Wakerell-CruzThe Post Millennial (https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-top-maricopa-county-election-official-donated-to-far-left-resistance-group-patriottakes)


So what ?

Freedom of Speech is now a problem ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 04:50:15 pm
What happened comes with a simple explanation.  Now listen closely, for I do not want you to miss it.

I know you meant to attach some support to this rant.

You forogot.

Looking forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Hoodat on November 15, 2022, 05:01:26 pm
So what ?

Freedom of Speech is now a problem ?

Bias is a problem.  Violating equal protection is a problem.  Placing empty toner cartridges in election machines in Republican areas only is a problem.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mountaineer on November 15, 2022, 05:01:46 pm
You want to explain how it makes no sense ?
You should direct that question to Kyle Becker, who tweeted it.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2022, 05:05:49 pm
You should direct that question to Kyle Becker, who tweeted it.

I'm still trying to figure out why it's to our advantage to ignore the cheating.   :shrug:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 15, 2022, 05:49:56 pm
So tired of this constant idiotic conspiratorial thinking all it does is suppress turnout.

If there was cheating, it really helps that DJT is flapping his gums about it. 

He's presented no real evidence and people see it as his MO. 

Consequently, any real cheating that might have taken place is a lot harder to highlite.

I've not seen anything that says there was cheating. 

But if it exists, DJT is hurting the ability of anyone to get it out in context.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2022, 05:51:53 pm
I've not seen anything that says there was cheating. 

OK then.   :shrug:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 15, 2022, 06:04:59 pm
OK then.   :shrug:

I've read one AZ county has 17% that are registered as Democrat but 53% of the vote went for Katie Hobbs?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2022, 06:18:10 pm
I've read one AZ county has 17% that are registered as Democrat but 53% of the vote went for Katie Hobbs?

It's an issue, but we must stop complaining about it and let the state go to Hell.  New rules.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 15, 2022, 06:47:32 pm
It's an issue, but we must stop complaining about it and let the state go to Hell.  New rules.

True, but if there is or Lake pays for a recount, that needs to be investigated. A great opportunity for Ducey to step up.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2022, 06:51:20 pm
True, but if there is or Lake pays for a recount, that needs to be investigated. A great opportunity for Ducey to step up.

More likely, a great opportunity for Ducey to stab us in the back again.  And a recount will probably show an even greater gap between Lake and Hobbs as we more to a new level of cheating.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Kamaji on November 15, 2022, 06:51:43 pm
More likely, a great opportunity for Ducey to stab us in the back again.  And a recount will probably show an even greater gap between Lake and Hobbs as we more to a new level of cheating.

Yup.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 15, 2022, 07:00:30 pm
More likely, a great opportunity for Ducey to stab us in the back again.  And a recount will probably show an even greater gap between Lake and Hobbs as we more to a new level of cheating.

That's where the state could jump in and take over the recount to investigate.

But I guarantee you he won't do it.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on November 15, 2022, 10:01:26 pm
If there was cheating, it really helps that DJT is flapping his gums about it. 

He's presented no real evidence and people see it as his MO. 

Consequently, any real cheating that might have taken place is a lot harder to highlite.

I've not seen anything that says there was cheating. 

But if it exists, DJT is hurting the ability of anyone to get it out in context.

@HikerGuy83

Is there ANYTHING that you aren't willing to blame Trump


Stop the name calling
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 15, 2022, 10:57:17 pm
johnny maga
@NFG_1998

Donald Trump is a private citizen. He spent $4 million helping Blake Masters in the AZ Senate race

Mitch McConell, the Senate Slumlord, spent $0

Tell me again how Trump is the problem


11:03 PM · Nov 11, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 15, 2022, 11:09:46 pm
I'm still trying to figure out why it's to our advantage to ignore the cheating.   :shrug:

IMO, this is an excellent question @Cyber Liberty   Once you understand the 'our' in "our advantge" doesn't include us, it all becomes clear.

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 15, 2022, 11:17:56 pm
"The Republican apparatus always intended to underdeliver, shooting themselves in the foot was the only way they could get Trump—they think...'  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/anneluty/status/1592357232515354626
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 12:18:55 am
I've read one AZ county has 17% that are registered as Democrat but 53% of the vote went for Katie Hobbs?

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4108877/posts

This is the only thing I could find on your statement. 

I don't understand what they are trying to say.

Republicans received 52 % of the vote ? 

Really.....and lost ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 12:27:10 am
johnny maga
@NFG_1998

Donald Trump is a private citizen. He spent $4 million helping Blake Masters in the AZ Senate race

Mitch McConell, the Senate Slumlord, spent $0

Tell me again how Trump is the problem


11:03 PM · Nov 11, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone

Let's be clear.....Mitch needs to go.....too.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 12:34:13 am
Lake still has not coneeded. 
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Hoodat on November 16, 2022, 12:36:54 am
Neither has Hobbs.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on November 16, 2022, 02:14:48 am
https://twitter.com/DLCC/status/1592296089205755904
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 16, 2022, 02:22:36 am
johnny maga
@NFG_1998

Donald Trump is a private citizen. He spent $4 million helping Blake Masters in the AZ Senate race

Mitch McConell, the Senate Slumlord, spent $0

Tell me again how Trump is the problem


11:03 PM · Nov 11, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone

Yeah but didn't BM say he would vote against MM for Majority Leader? Same for Don Bolduc. Two dummies who spoke out against the guy they wanted money from.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Hoodat on November 16, 2022, 02:26:10 am
Yeah but didn't BM say he would vote against MM for Majority Leader? Same for Don Bolduc. Two dummies who spoke out against the guy they wanted money from.

It's PAC money, not McConnell's personal stash.  The people donating to that PAC did so to help get Republicans elected to the Senate.  McConnell treated other people's money as his own personal stash.  Come to think of it, he does the same thing with our tax dollars.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on November 16, 2022, 02:33:34 am
https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1592547438220705792
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on November 16, 2022, 02:48:09 am
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
·
Nov 14
Katie Hobbs will certify her own corrupt election.

Think about that, America.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 04:39:01 am
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
·
Nov 14
Katie Hobbs will certify her own corrupt election.

Think about that, America.

Remind me again why we are calling it corrupt.

What do we know for sure.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 16, 2022, 02:36:56 pm
Remind me again why we are calling it corrupt.

What do we know for sure.

We know with 100% certainty that it was corrupt just like it was in 2020. But YOU can never see what you refuse to look for.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Polly Ticks on November 16, 2022, 02:44:31 pm
https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1592547438220705792

Well that is very interesting.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 07:11:22 pm
We know with 100% certainty that it was corrupt just like it was in 2020.

Yes, the internet is crawling with pro.....oh, wait.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 16, 2022, 07:14:55 pm
Yeah but didn't BM say he would vote against MM for Majority Leader? Same for Don Bolduc. Two dummies who spoke out against the guy they wanted money from.

Two democratic senators, democratic governor, and a democratic SOS......

First time since 1950.

But it can't be the fact that the AZ GOP is a frigging mess and that the messages (Lake was very good on the issues) can't get above the din of the election BS.

Add to that, the lingering presence of DJT (who just announced his 2024 candidacy) and you got what they asked for.

A slaughter.

Just leaning of many I know who voted for Hobbs after voting for Trump twice.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:05 am
So tired of this constant idiotic conspiratorial thinking all it does is suppress turnout.

How so? When you know you need 1.25 to get credit for one, don't you feel compelled to try that much harder? To get enough votes in to overwhelm the cheater's point spread?

Being complacent about the outcome might suppress turnout, but knowing you will need as many votes as you can get would have the opposite effect.

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 18, 2022, 01:30:28 am
How so? When you know you need 1.25 to get credit for one, don't you feel compelled to try that much harder? To get enough votes in to overwhelm the cheater's point spread?

Being complacent about the outcome might suppress turnout, but knowing you will need as many votes as you can get would have the opposite effect.



Instead of just talking about it, Lake appears to be pulling together a team to look for it. 

I think that is great.

If she finds something, it will be an interesting time.

If she does not....what then ?

Do we get to bury it for at least this cycle ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Hoodat on November 18, 2022, 01:33:59 am
Two democratic senators, democratic governor, and a democratic SOS......

At the same time, the GOP flips two house seats.  Go figure.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 18, 2022, 02:37:58 am
Finchem won't concede. 

I don't think he helps Lake's situation any.

And there are a lot of GOP who are not sympathetic. 

I hope Lake can get this moving fast.

We all need to see what's been looked at and why.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 18, 2022, 02:52:48 am
https://freebeacon.com/columns/good-riddance-madame-speaker/

The article didn't slam her near hard enough.

So long Nancy.  The only reason I'll miss you is that they might put someone with a brain your place and make our lives harder.

If anyone deserved to buried in stupidville, TN.....it's Nancy Pelosi.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 18, 2022, 02:57:10 am
@HikerGuy83 https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/ (https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/)

Not proof positive, but very strong circumstantial evidence--and definitely cause to question the veracity of totals presented in Maricopa County.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 18, 2022, 03:41:18 am
@HikerGuy83 https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/ (https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/)

Not proof positive, but very strong circumstantial evidence--and definitely cause to question the veracity of totals presented in Maricopa County.

It does not need to be proof positive.

It raises doubt.  I, unlike others, will withhold judgement until this is investigated. 

I wish she had not volunteered her conclusions.  Because then then gets tossed in with the other crazies.

But her story is enough, IME, to warrant a deeper look by Lake and associated.

Let's get the facts first.

@Smokin Joe: Thanks for sharing this.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 18, 2022, 05:08:54 am
It does not need to be proof positive.

It raises doubt.  I, unlike others, will withhold judgement until this is investigated. 

I wish she had not volunteered her conclusions.  Because then then gets tossed in with the other crazies.

But her story is enough, IME, to warrant a deeper look by Lake and associated.

Let's get the facts first.

@Smokin Joe: Thanks for sharing this.
@HikerGuy83 You're welcome. There is a lot out there, but you likely won't find it searching with Google, who learned to bury stuff over in China, where dissent is quashed.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 20, 2022, 08:11:42 pm
In the medial:

It's almost never Kari Lake.....

It's almost always Election Denier Kari Lake......

Real freaking objective
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 20, 2022, 08:42:25 pm
RNC Had Roving Attorneys Quietly Monitoring Maricopa Voting Centers, One Has Finally Released His Damning Finds: Report

According to a report in Time, Lake’s campaign spent $2 million to monitor the counting of votes and to be prepared with lawsuits based on the facts when necessary. Time said 40 lawyers were in one central “war room” while roving attorneys monitor polling places and vote-counting operations.

“This is the most robust Election Day operation and post-election operation that Arizona has ever seen,” Brady Smith, the Lake campaign’s chief political strategist, said.

A glimpse at what the Lake campaign might use as fodder for its lawsuits was shared with The Western Journal in the form of a report from Mark Sonnenklar about what the roving attorneys saw on Election Day. The Western Journal has not independently verified the claims in this report.

Sonnenklar said 10 roving attorneys out of 16 responded to a survey he sent them, and that his report covers 115 voting places out of the 223 places in Maricopa County.

Overall, he wrote, “72 of the 115 vote centers (62.61%) we visited had material problems with the tabulators not being able to tabulate ballots, causing voters to either deposit their ballots into box 3, spoil their ballots and re-vote, or get frustrated and leave the vote center without voting.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/rnc-roving-attorneys-quietly-monitoring-maricopa-voting-centers-one-finally-released-damning-finds-report/

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Hot dang Kari, I knew there was a reason I liked you.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Elderberry on November 20, 2022, 09:14:24 pm
'I WILL become governor!': Arizona GOP hopeful Kari Lake insists she's still on track to overturn Dem rival's election win, as AG's office demands explanation for polling day issues before certifying the result

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11448609/Arizona-attorney-generals-office-DEMANDS-answers-string-election-day-problems.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11448609/Arizona-attorney-generals-office-DEMANDS-answers-string-election-day-problems.html)

•   The Arizona attorney general's office Saturday demanded answers to problems
•   Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright wrote to a top election official
•   She spelled out issues with on-demand ballot printers on election day
•   She also reported confusion about how to send voters to alternate sites
•   And she wrote that untabulated ballots were muddled with tabulated ballots
•   'These complaints go beyond pure speculation,' she added in her letter
•   Kari Lake told DailyMail.com she was right to fight on in the governor's race
•   'I believe at the end of the day that this will be turned around,' she said

Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake has insisted she'll still become governor after the state's assistant attorney general demanded explanations to polling day issues before agreeing to certify Lake's Democrat rival's win.

GOP rising star Lake spoke exclusively to DailyMail.com Saturday  after her campaign was handed a lifeline on Saturday when the state's attorney general's office demanded explanations for a string of election day problems before the final results can be certified.

Lake told DailyMail.com it vindicated her decision to fight on, even though the Associated Press and other news organizations called the race for her opponent.

With more than 95 percent of votes tallied, Lake trails Democrat Katie Hobbs by fewer than 18,000 votes. The Associated Press has already called the race for Hobbs - but Lake, who was widely expected to win the contest, is having none of it.

'The way they run elections in Maricopa County is worse than in banana republics around this world,' she said in an exclusive interview, referring to the state's most populous county.

'And I'll tell you what, I believe at the end of the day that this will be turned around and I don't know what the solution will be but I still believe I will become governor, and we are going to restore honesty to our elections.'

On Saturday, Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Wright wrote to one of the county's top election officials detailing reports of a string of irregularities from printer problems that stopped ballots being tabulated, to confusion about procedures for transferring voters to alternate sites if they were unable to vote at the first location.

Lake's claims of fraud have consistently been characterized by opponents as unfounded, and her supporters have yet to produce a smoking gun.

But in her letter, Wright says: 'These complaints go beyond pure speculation, but include first-hand witness accounts that raise concerns regarding Maricopa’s lawful compliance with Arizona election law.'

More at link.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 20, 2022, 11:45:53 pm
RNC Had Roving Attorneys Quietly Monitoring Maricopa Voting Centers, One Has Finally Released His Damning Finds: Report

According to a report in Time, Lake’s campaign spent $2 million to monitor the counting of votes and to be prepared with lawsuits based on the facts when necessary. Time said 40 lawyers were in one central “war room” while roving attorneys monitor polling places and vote-counting operations.

“This is the most robust Election Day operation and post-election operation that Arizona has ever seen,” Brady Smith, the Lake campaign’s chief political strategist, said.

A glimpse at what the Lake campaign might use as fodder for its lawsuits was shared with The Western Journal in the form of a report from Mark Sonnenklar about what the roving attorneys saw on Election Day. The Western Journal has not independently verified the claims in this report.

Sonnenklar said 10 roving attorneys out of 16 responded to a survey he sent them, and that his report covers 115 voting places out of the 223 places in Maricopa County.

Overall, he wrote, “72 of the 115 vote centers (62.61%) we visited had material problems with the tabulators not being able to tabulate ballots, causing voters to either deposit their ballots into box 3, spoil their ballots and re-vote, or get frustrated and leave the vote center without voting.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/rnc-roving-attorneys-quietly-monitoring-maricopa-voting-centers-one-finally-released-damning-finds-report/

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Hot dang Kari, I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Instead of pushing back on her, they need to either agree with or disagree with the accounts and decide how to proceed.

In the interest of helping this thing not look like a circus, they better be very cautious in their approach.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 21, 2022, 12:28:26 am
Instead of pushing back on her, they need to either agree with or disagree with the accounts and decide how to proceed.

In the interest of helping this thing not look like a circus, they better be very cautious in their approach.

I agree, and she may not win, but what I really want to get is sunshine on their process and get a handle what they are doing.

I'm sorry, but just regular old ballot harvesting does not explain how they keep coming from coming behind and winning at a rate way beyond random statistics.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 21, 2022, 12:57:19 am
I agree, and she may not win, but what I really want to get is sunshine on their process and get a handle what they are doing.

I'm sorry, but just regular old ballot harvesting does not explain how they keep coming from coming behind and winning at a rate way beyond random statistics.

And when that is put together and showed dispassionatly (i.e. without the accusations and name calling), credibility goes way way up.

Right now, the left is able to disparage any argument in favor in potential issues because of the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome created by some on the right.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 21, 2022, 02:39:37 am
And when that is put together and showed dispassionately (i.e. without the accusations and name calling), credibility goes way way up.

Right now, the left is able to disparage any argument in favor in potential issues because of the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome created by some on the right.
When courts dismiss on standing issues (you haven''t been hurt until after the election/the election is over it's moot) the evidence is simply not examined.

If you are not allowed to present the evidence in court, then people can claim there is none that was presented in court, and that can lead to summary dismissals--but that does not mean there is no evidence.

The media then present claims of impropriety as "unjustified" "mistaken" "false" (or otherwise denigrated) claims because even if those assertions are backed by statistics, video, geolocation data, and eyewitness testimony, it has never seen the light of day in a courtroom, not for lack of trying. If the judges won't look, they will not see.

By the same token, however, NONE of those cases challenging the validity of elections was lost on the basis of evidence not existing.

They simply were not heard, from lower courts to SCOTUS.

The evidence was not looked at. Refusal by a court to take a look at evidence just makes the whole mess stink worse.

It's like playing in a football game and the ref turns and looks away from a clear violation by the other team--no whistle, no flag, and does so for the whole game. It doesn't mean the violation didn't occur, just that the ref ignored it.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2022, 03:02:20 am
When courts dismiss on standing issues (you haven''t been hurt until after the election/the election is over it's moot) the evidence is simply not examined.

If you are not allowed to present the evidence in court, then people can claim there is none that was presented in court, and that can lead to summary dismissals--but that does not mean there is no evidence.

The media then present claims of impropriety as "unjustified" "mistaken" "false" (or otherwise denigrated) claims because even if those assertions are backed by statistics, video, geolocation data, and eyewitness testimony, it has never seen the light of day in a courtroom, not for lack of trying. If the judges won't look, they will not see.

By the same token, however, NONE of those cases challenging the validity of elections was lost on the basis of evidence not existing.

They simply were not heard, from lower courts to SCOTUS.

The evidence was not looked at. Refusal by a court to take a look at evidence just makes the whole mess stink worse.

It's like playing in a football game and the ref turns and looks away from a clear violation by the other team--no whistle, no flag, and does so for the whole game. It doesn't mean the violation didn't occur, just that the ref ignored it.

 :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 21, 2022, 05:50:34 am
When courts dismiss on standing issues (you haven''t been hurt until after the election/the election is over it's moot) the evidence is simply not examined.

If you are not allowed to present the evidence in court, then people can claim there is none that was presented in court, and that can lead to summary dismissals--but that does not mean there is no evidence.

The media then present claims of impropriety as "unjustified" "mistaken" "false" (or otherwise denigrated) claims because even if those assertions are backed by statistics, video, geolocation data, and eyewitness testimony, it has never seen the light of day in a courtroom, not for lack of trying. If the judges won't look, they will not see.

By the same token, however, NONE of those cases challenging the validity of elections was lost on the basis of evidence not existing.

They simply were not heard, from lower courts to SCOTUS.

The evidence was not looked at. Refusal by a court to take a look at evidence just makes the whole mess stink worse.

It's like playing in a football game and the ref turns and looks away from a clear violation by the other team--no whistle, no flag, and does so for the whole game. It doesn't mean the violation didn't occur, just that the ref ignored it.

You'd think we'd be set up to do something more about it this time. 

I recall being frustrated by the answer "Well the courts dismiised it" to inquiries.  I agree....that means nothing.

At the same time, you have to be somewhat clever about how you approach it. 

Not sure just what that looks like.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2022, 07:07:38 pm
When courts dismiss on standing issues (you haven''t been hurt until after the election/the election is over it's moot) the evidence is simply not examined.

If you are not allowed to present the evidence in court, then people can claim there is none that was presented in court, and that can lead to summary dismissals--but that does not mean there is no evidence.

The media then present claims of impropriety as "unjustified" "mistaken" "false" (or otherwise denigrated) claims because even if those assertions are backed by statistics, video, geolocation data, and eyewitness testimony, it has never seen the light of day in a courtroom, not for lack of trying. If the judges won't look, they will not see.

By the same token, however, NONE of those cases challenging the validity of elections was lost on the basis of evidence not existing.

They simply were not heard, from lower courts to SCOTUS.

The evidence was not looked at. Refusal by a court to take a look at evidence just makes the whole mess stink worse.

It's like playing in a football game and the ref turns and looks away from a clear violation by the other team--no whistle, no flag, and does so for the whole game. It doesn't mean the violation didn't occur, just that the ref ignored it.

Excellent post @Smokin Joe
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2022, 07:07:56 pm
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Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 21, 2022, 10:11:12 pm
FYI: I can't link to twitter.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 21, 2022, 10:13:44 pm
A quick search on Kari Lake turns up nothing new.

I can't read twitter, so if I missed it....sorry.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2022, 10:21:51 pm
Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec

BREAKING: Kari Lake releases message to the People of Arizona & the United States:

Nov 21, 2022, 12:27 PM

https://truthsocial.com/users/JackPosobiec/statuses/109383676897666788
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Kamaji on November 21, 2022, 10:58:37 pm
FYI: I can't link to twitter.

If you have a link to a twitter item, you should be able to have it render properly if you copy and paste everything up to the first question mark '?' on the url.  Delete the '?' and everything that follows it, and the tweet should render.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2022, 12:58:14 am
BREAKING UPDATE: — NOW FOUR ARIZONA COUNTIES Delay Certification of the Tainted 2022 Midterm Election – Gila, Conchise, Mohave, and Yavapai

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/arizona-counties.jpg)

Mohave, Gila, Conchise, and Yavapai counties have refused to certify the suspect election!

There are only 15 counties in the state.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/breaking-second-arizona-county-refuses-certify-tainted-2022-midterm-election/
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2022, 03:46:46 pm
Bombshell Arizona report: Election Day problems in Maricopa far wider than county admitting (https://justthenews.com/maricopa-county-follies-affidavits-detail-ballot-shenanigans-arizonas-largest-county?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter)

Widespread equipment failures, hours-long lines were "voter suppression" that "would necessarily impact the vote tallies for Republican candidates much more than the vote tallies for Democrat candidates," concluded RNC report compiled from detailed observer accounts.

Numerous issues plagued vote centers in Arizona's Maricopa County on Election Day 2022, from ballots rejected by tabulators to hours-long lines for voting, according to affidavits filed with the Arizona attorney general's office.

According to an affidavit report by Mark Sonnenklar, a roving attorney with the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity program in Arizona, he and 10 other RNC roving attorneys reported their observations and those of Republican observers at vote centers on Election Day.

File
 Aggregated Roving Attorney General Election Report.pdf (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-11/Aggregated%20Roving%20Attorney%20General%20Election%20Report.pdf)
The 11 attorneys visited 115 out of the 223 vote centers in Maricopa County on Election Day and found that 72 of them (or 62.61%) "had material problems with the tabulators not being able to tabulate ballots," Sonnenklar reported, "causing voters to either deposit their ballots into box 3, spoil their ballots and re-vote, or get frustrated and leave the vote center without voting."

Box 3 — also called "Door 3" or "Slot 3" — is a separate box on the tabulators into which ballots not counted by the machines were placed for later tabulation. Maricopa County, however, has admitted that "in some voting locations, 'Door 3' non-tabulated ballots were commingled with tabulated ballots," according to a letter from the Arizona attorney general's office to the county.

 221119 Letter to Maricopa County re 2022 General Election Administration.pdf (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-11/221119%20Letter%20to%20Maricopa%20County%20re%202022%20General%20Election%20Administration.pdf)

Excerpt: Much more at headline link.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2022, 03:57:16 pm
https://twitter.com/BarnettforAZ/status/1595025972075851778
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Elderberry on November 24, 2022, 02:09:51 pm
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929 (https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929)

Kari Lake
@KariLake

The man in charge of Maricopa Co's disastrous elections is Stephen Richer.

He ran an anti-Kari Lake PAC.

AZ Sun Times: ALL expenditures from Richer's PAC were spent telling Arizonans NOT to vote for Lake.

Please Tell @GeneralBrnovich
 to investigate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1595574726151221248/CTNX-e5X?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 24, 2022, 09:42:47 pm
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929 (https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929)

Kari Lake
@KariLake

The man in charge of Maricopa Co's disastrous elections is Stephen Richer.

He ran an anti-Kari Lake PAC.

AZ Sun Times: ALL expenditures from Richer's PAC were spent telling Arizonans NOT to vote for Lake.

Please Tell @GeneralBrnovich
 to investigate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1595574726151221248/CTNX-e5X?format=jpg&name=small)

A state with a history of HUGE questions regarding elections (from 2020).

And they let this happen. 

This bleep has no idea of what optics mean. 

Good grief.....Lake has every reason to question what we can and can't trust.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 25, 2022, 04:39:53 am
https://thefederalist.com/2022/11/23/maricopa-county-made-arizonas-elections-even-more-of-a-disaster-than-people-realize/
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 25, 2022, 04:45:13 am
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929 (https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1595601915915644929)

Kari Lake
@KariLake

The man in charge of Maricopa Co's disastrous elections is Stephen Richer.

He ran an anti-Kari Lake PAC.

AZ Sun Times: ALL expenditures from Richer's PAC were spent telling Arizonans NOT to vote for Lake.

Please Tell @GeneralBrnovich
 to investigate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1595574726151221248/CTNX-e5X?format=jpg&name=small)

Can't read tweets.

But I would like something that substantively backs up the claims about Richers.

If this is the case.....it should be a huge concern for everyone.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 25, 2022, 02:22:27 pm
Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer’s Founding of Partisan PAC Raises Ethical and Legal Questions of Possible Misconduct (https://arizonasuntimes.com/2022/11/23/maricopa-county-recorder-stephen-richers-founding-of-partisan-pac-raises-ethical-and-legal-questions-of-possible-misconduct/)


Story at above link is from the Arizona Sun Times @HikerGuy83
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 25, 2022, 07:25:23 pm
Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer’s Founding of Partisan PAC Raises Ethical and Legal Questions of Possible Misconduct (https://arizonasuntimes.com/2022/11/23/maricopa-county-recorder-stephen-richers-founding-of-partisan-pac-raises-ethical-and-legal-questions-of-possible-misconduct/)


Story at above link is from the Arizona Sun Times @HikerGuy83

Thank you.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 26, 2022, 03:13:10 am
Lake launched her first counterpunch.

Get the facts Kari.  Let the facts tell the story. 

Shut up the blowhards so they don't kill credibility.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2022/11/25/kari-lake-files-first-lawsuit-over-midterm-election-results-n2616375
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 26, 2022, 02:28:04 pm
How is Lake filing a challenge, something within her full legal right to do, somehow antidemocratic?

We're not allowed to even mentally question these things now?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 26, 2022, 03:05:36 pm
How is Lake filing a challenge, something within her full legal right to do, somehow antidemocratic?

We're not allowed to even mentally question these things now?

Where did this come from ?

Who said she can't question an election that was conducted so poorly that it raised all kinds of questions and issues ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 28, 2022, 05:56:51 pm
Chuck Callestro
@ChuckCallesto

BOMBSHELL REPORT: Maricopa County announced that on Election Day over 540,000 VOTERS visited one of the 223 vote anywhere centers in the county DESPITE releasing FINAL OFFICIAL RESULTS DATA claiming only 248,070 people voted...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiqs1R8X0AIpegQ?format=jpg&name=900x900)

12:12 PM · Nov 28, 2022  ·Twitter Web App
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 28, 2022, 06:44:38 pm
Kari Lake
@KariLake

STOP what you are doing and WATCH this. This is the BEST explanation of Maricopa County Election-Day Disaster you will ever watch. 🚨

Video:  https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1597292887720370176
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 28, 2022, 08:14:17 pm
Kari Lake
@KariLake

STOP what you are doing and WATCH this. This is the BEST explanation of Maricopa County Election-Day Disaster you will ever watch. 🚨

Video:  https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1597292887720370176

Can't see anything to link to.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 28, 2022, 10:24:03 pm
Can't see anything to link to.

Too bad.  It's a twitter link.  Don't worry, you don't want to see it anyway.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on November 28, 2022, 10:27:26 pm
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1597348970484809729
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Fishrrman on November 28, 2022, 11:18:24 pm
Time to hang it up, guys.

Short of a "Battle of Arizona" event (based upon the previous "Battle of Athens" [TN] in 1946), Hobbs is the new governor of AZ.

My prediction (I hope to be proven wrong):
The election steal that just occurred in Arizona WILL NOT be resolved by "legal means".
To accomplish that will require... "something more".
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 29, 2022, 03:06:07 am
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1597348970484809729

If there is a URL in the twitter link, can you post it directly ?

My computer won't allow me to see tweets.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 29, 2022, 01:34:19 pm
Time to hang it up, guys.

Short of a "Battle of Arizona" event (based upon the previous "Battle of Athens" [TN] in 1946), Hobbs is the new governor of AZ.

My prediction (I hope to be proven wrong):
The election steal that just occurred in Arizona WILL NOT be resolved by "legal means".
To accomplish that will require... "something more".

In my estimation, this is as much about the election as it is about the governors race.

The GOP should be very clear about that.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2022, 02:09:55 pm
If there is a URL in the twitter link, can you post it directly ?

My computer won't allow me to see tweets.

Try this youtube link @HikerGuy83   ---  fast forward to 1:33:25.  The speaker is Ben with Frontline America and Real America Front News (wearing a cap)

https://youtu.be/I2O-BVvUUbY



Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2022, 04:11:00 pm
Marjorie Taylor Greene
@mtgreenee

I’m proud of @KariLake for fighting to protect the people of Arizona’s votes.

Without secure elections, we are no better than third world countries and have lost our freedoms.

AZ SOS Katie Hobbs refused to debate Kari bc she knew it was rigged and didn’t have to.  ....

.... States with massive mail in ballots, ballot harvesting, no voter ID, machines no one trust, and continued vote counting that turns Election Day into election month are a joke.

Call me all the petty names you want, I could care less.

Kari Lake didn’t lose her election.

9:28 AM · Nov 29, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 29, 2022, 09:07:45 pm
Marjorie Taylor Greene
@mtgreenee

I’m proud of @KariLake for fighting to protect the people of Arizona’s votes.

Without secure elections, we are no better than third world countries and have lost our freedoms.

AZ SOS Katie Hobbs refused to debate Kari bc she knew it was rigged and didn’t have to.  ....

.... States with massive mail in ballots, ballot harvesting, no voter ID, machines no one trust, and continued vote counting that turns Election Day into election month are a joke.

Call me all the petty names you want, I could care less.

Kari Lake didn’t lose her election.

9:28 AM · Nov 29, 2022  ·Twitter for iPhone

She should have said "We don't know if Kari Lake lost her election"  and we don't know if she won either.

The statement about secure elections is KEY. 
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 29, 2022, 09:08:17 pm
Try this youtube link @HikerGuy83   ---  fast forward to 1:33:25.  The speaker is Ben with Frontline America and Real America Front News (wearing a cap)

https://youtu.be/I2O-BVvUUbY





Thank you.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 30, 2022, 04:11:24 pm
Election Workers’ Sworn Affidavits Accuse Maricopa County Employee Who Donated To Mark Kelly Of Election Rule Violations On Election Day

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Maricopa-Bill-Gates-Went-Well.jpg)

...Four election workers detailed similar issues at the Grace in the Desert Church in Peoria, Arizona, including ballot reconciliation issues, suspicious ballot spoiling instructions, questionable testing procedures, and potential law violations.

Each of them fingered Maricopa County’s Mark McCall for Election Day negligence and maladministration.

“Mark, who was the supposed leader, was the cause of most of the issues and did nothing to correct anything that was brought to his attention,” said Cynthia Schlesinger.

Mark McCall was further accused of stuffing misread “box 3” ballots into black duffel bags instead of the designated transport bins and dropping unused tamper-evident security ties into the duffel bags. This breaks the chain of custody by potentially allowing bad actors to open these bags and reseal them without anybody knowing.

It also appears that Mark was also left alone in the tabulation center with no supervision. It is unclear whether or not there were live ballots in the room....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/election-workers-sworn-affidavits-accuse-maricopa-county-employee-donated-mark-kelly-election-rule-violations-election-day/
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 30, 2022, 10:12:42 pm
Election Workers’ Sworn Affidavits Accuse Maricopa County Employee Who Donated To Mark Kelly Of Election Rule Violations On Election Day

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Maricopa-Bill-Gates-Went-Well.jpg)

...Four election workers detailed similar issues at the Grace in the Desert Church in Peoria, Arizona, including ballot reconciliation issues, suspicious ballot spoiling instructions, questionable testing procedures, and potential law violations.

Each of them fingered Maricopa County’s Mark McCall for Election Day negligence and maladministration.

“Mark, who was the supposed leader, was the cause of most of the issues and did nothing to correct anything that was brought to his attention,” said Cynthia Schlesinger.

Mark McCall was further accused of stuffing misread “box 3” ballots into black duffel bags instead of the designated transport bins and dropping unused tamper-evident security ties into the duffel bags. This breaks the chain of custody by potentially allowing bad actors to open these bags and reseal them without anybody knowing.

It also appears that Mark was also left alone in the tabulation center with no supervision. It is unclear whether or not there were live ballots in the room....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/election-workers-sworn-affidavits-accuse-maricopa-county-employee-donated-mark-kelly-election-rule-violations-election-day/

Thank you for sharing this.

How can these people be so inconsiderate and stupid.

This is pure garbage and needs to be highlited.

Future election officials need to be specifically trained on how these things should be done.

For now, I hope Lake is methodically taking this apart.

One thing we need is the material nature of the offense or issue with regard to the recent election.  It won't take many challenged votes to show that Kari Lake deserves a new election (a well run one without these idiots in charge).

Truthfully, if Lake lost, I'd be bummed but I know we'd survive it (and spare me the end-of-the-world statements....I ain't buying it).  But right now, I have very little confidence we know who really won or lost.

They called Trump illegitimate with no rational for doing so.

In Hobbs case, until this is resolved any efforts on her part to govern are illegitimate.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2022, 10:31:33 pm
Thank you for sharing this.

How can these people be so inconsiderate and stupid.

This is pure garbage and needs to be highlited.

Future election officials need to be specifically trained on how these things should be done.

For now, I hope Lake is methodically taking this apart.

One thing we need is the material nature of the offense or issue with regard to the recent election.  It won't take many challenged votes to show that Kari Lake deserves a new election (a well run one without these idiots in charge).

Truthfully, if Lake lost, I'd be bummed but I know we'd survive it (and spare me the end-of-the-world statements....I ain't buying it).  But right now, I have very little confidence we know who really won or lost.

They called Trump illegitimate with no rational for doing so.

In Hobbs case, until this is resolved any efforts on her part to govern are illegitimate.

A lot of this stuff was brought up after the 2020 election, where were you?  Declaring that election "perfect and above board," that's where.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 30, 2022, 11:25:55 pm
A lot of this stuff was brought up after the 2020 election, where were you?  Declaring that election "perfect and above board," that's where.

I really don't know what your problem is (and that isn't asking you to tell me, because frankly I don't really care).

You can't find where I ever said that. 

You will find me severely questioning the way things were handled in terms of the idiot GOP, especially Trump, response.

That was how it was brought up.

As to what was brought up, I have no idea.....

I wasn't even in the state in 2020.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Hoodat on December 01, 2022, 02:33:13 am
I really don't know what your problem is (and that isn't asking you to tell me, because frankly I don't really care).

You can't find where I ever said that. 

You will find me severely questioning the way things were handled in terms of the idiot GOP, especially Trump, response.

That was how it was brought up.

As to what was brought up, I have no idea.....

I wasn't even in the state in 2020.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,443384.msg2503572.html#msg2503572
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 01, 2022, 10:35:29 pm
https://www.azfamily.com/2022/12/01/judge-calls-election-lawsuit-baseless-orders-kari-lake-mark-finchem-pay-court-fees/

Just perfect.

Now we have a judge who is calling the suites "baseless".  I'd love to see his basis for doing so.

This really smells like a "boy who cried wolf (and that isn't Lake.....it's Trump & Co)" response.

I wonder if we'll get to see his technical analysis. 

He stated that the suite was full of "false narratives".  Wonder how he got there ?
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 07, 2022, 03:23:25 am
Not seeing much from Lake.

Her site has nothing. 

Seems like this is losing steam fast.

I hope not.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 07, 2022, 11:34:55 pm
(https://arizonasuntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/people-voting_840x480.jpg)

Data Analysts Question How 25 Percent of Arizona Voters Flipped to Oppose Trump Candidates Despite GOP Voter Registration Advantage

...In contrast, Republicans won hugely in other Arizona races. Incumbent State Treasurer Kimberly Yee, a Republican who was not endorsed by Donald Trump and who ran a relatively low-profile office, received about 283,000 more votes than her challenger, 1,390,135 to 1,107,036, which is a significant 11 percent difference.

Republicans received about 320,000 more votes than Democrats in the nine U.S. House races, 1,324,961 to 1,004,461. That comes down to 56.87 percent versus 43.12 percent. In the State Senate races, Republicans received about 200,000 more votes than Democrats, 1,254,630 to 654,834. That breaks down to a significant difference between parties of 34 percent.

“Does anyone really believe that voters preferred GOP State Senate candidates with a 34 percent advantage, yet swung back dramatically to favor Democrats by up to 5 percent margins in four other races?” Cole said. “It defies the odds. I can understand a few percentage points difference, but around one-third of voters voting Democrat in some races but Republican in others makes no sense, the margins are too grossly different.”...

https://arizonasuntimes.com/2022/12/07/data-analysts-question-how-25-percent-of-arizona-voters-flipped-to-oppose-trump-candidates-despite-gop-voter-registration-advantage/

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Time to pay for a Maricopa county recount if the law allows for it.

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 09, 2022, 04:45:14 am
(https://arizonasuntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/people-voting_840x480.jpg)

Data Analysts Question How 25 Percent of Arizona Voters Flipped to Oppose Trump Candidates Despite GOP Voter Registration Advantage

...In contrast, Republicans won hugely in other Arizona races. Incumbent State Treasurer Kimberly Yee, a Republican who was not endorsed by Donald Trump and who ran a relatively low-profile office, received about 283,000 more votes than her challenger, 1,390,135 to 1,107,036, which is a significant 11 percent difference.

Republicans received about 320,000 more votes than Democrats in the nine U.S. House races, 1,324,961 to 1,004,461. That comes down to 56.87 percent versus 43.12 percent. In the State Senate races, Republicans received about 200,000 more votes than Democrats, 1,254,630 to 654,834. That breaks down to a significant difference between parties of 34 percent.

“Does anyone really believe that voters preferred GOP State Senate candidates with a 34 percent advantage, yet swung back dramatically to favor Democrats by up to 5 percent margins in four other races?” Cole said. “It defies the odds. I can understand a few percentage points difference, but around one-third of voters voting Democrat in some races but Republican in others makes no sense, the margins are too grossly different.”...

https://arizonasuntimes.com/2022/12/07/data-analysts-question-how-25-percent-of-arizona-voters-flipped-to-oppose-trump-candidates-despite-gop-voter-registration-advantage/

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Time to pay for a Maricopa county recount if the law allows for it.



Great article.

Asks some very good and pertinent questions. 

My bigger question is how we let things get to the point that we are having these ugly post election arguments.

Can't our elections officials extract their heads from their backsides and get it right.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 09, 2022, 09:05:33 am
Great article.

Asks some very good and pertinent questions. 

My bigger question is how we let things get to the point that we are having these ugly post election arguments.

Can't our elections officials extract their heads from their backsides and get it right.
"Right" depends on the result, apparently, and after considerable mayhem, they feel they did.
The result was just what they planned. No campaign, no debate, and huge vote gains in the middle of the night after considerable and well documented irregularities in the votes and counting thereof. Sound familiar? It's a flashback to 2020.  If they keep getting away with it, there will be more of it, and not just in AZ.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 09, 2022, 04:32:00 pm
Great article.

Asks some very good and pertinent questions. 

My bigger question is how we let things get to the point that we are having these ugly post election arguments.

Can't our elections officials extract their heads from their backsides and get it right.

We got here because too many people were totally cool with the theft of the 2020 election, and buying the lies from that election.  People who denied the evidence place before them.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on December 09, 2022, 04:47:59 pm
We got here because too many people were totally cool with the theft of the 2020 election, and buying the lies from that election.  People who denied the evidence place before them.

@Cyber Liberty

Those people are just a minor part of it. The serious numbers are with the people that just don't give a damn about it "Because I got MINE!"

THESE selfish bastards are the reason why America will eventually fail.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 09, 2022, 05:35:11 pm
"Right" depends on the result, apparently, and after considerable mayhem, they feel they did.
The result was just what they planned. No campaign, no debate, and huge vote gains in the middle of the night after considerable and well documented irregularities in the votes and counting thereof. Sound familiar? It's a flashback to 2020.  If they keep getting away with it, there will be more of it, and not just in AZ.

With all the caterwauling, it's difficult to sort the fact from the fiction.

What is clear to me is that we have no real machinery for taking this on.

We had two years to look over the failure of 2020 (of which there was supposed to be so much evidence), and come up with a game plan.

Fail.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 11, 2022, 07:05:12 am
Well, here we go folks.......

I hope she's got the goods to make it stick.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-files-lawsuit-to-be-declared-winner-in-arizona-11670687533
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 11, 2022, 07:07:01 am
And the name calling from the left has started. 

CNN has become as bad as PMSNBC.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 11, 2022, 01:47:35 pm
Is Lake or anyone on her team pushing for a transparent recount of Maricopa? Someone needs to get a look at the ballots.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2022, 03:24:52 pm
Is Lake or anyone on her team pushing for a transparent recount of Maricopa? Someone needs to get a look at the ballots.

@Free Vulcan

I honestly can't think of a single time that worked,and changed the reported results of an election. All it did was piss people off and cost a lot of money for nothing.

After all,what are the consequences if it is proven an election was rigged? ALL that would happen would be for the top guy and his aides to MAYBE be indicted,but they are people with political connections and the most they would get would be a fine and probation.

We need to make PURPOSEFUL vote rigging and stealing a capital offense punishable by hanging.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 11, 2022, 05:59:54 pm
@Free Vulcan

I honestly can't think of a single time that worked,and changed the reported results of an election. All it did was piss people off and cost a lot of money for nothing.

After all,what are the consequences if it is proven an election was rigged? ALL that would happen would be for the top guy and his aides to MAYBE be indicted,but they are people with political connections and the most they would get would be a fine and probation.

We need to make PURPOSEFUL vote rigging and stealing a capital offense punishable by hanging.

@sneakypete

* To see if those 'Slot 3' votes were actually counted from the machines that went down.
* To examine the ballots themselves and see if they are all legit.
* To see if the machines actually counted them correctly or if the count was altered to flip the counts (I pray there are paper ballots)
* To see if they match the e-books.
* All additional data in and surrounding the ballots, e-books, and machines, coordinate and match up.

And anything else that seems pertinent. We have to figure out what way the are adding, deleting, or altering votes to or in the stack.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2022, 11:51:34 pm
@sneakypete

* To see if those 'Slot 3' votes were actually counted from the machines that went down.
* To examine the ballots themselves and see if they are all legit.
* To see if the machines actually counted them correctly or if the count was altered to flip the counts (I pray there are paper ballots)
* To see if they match the e-books.
* All additional data in and surrounding the ballots, e-books, and machines, coordinate and match up.

And anything else that seems pertinent. We have to figure out what way the are adding, deleting, or altering votes to or in the stack.

@Free Vulcan

As a man VERY wise in the way of politics (LBJ?) once stated,"It doesn't matter who got the most votes. What matters is who COUNTS the votes!"

I think the wisdom involved in that statement has now been proved to be true multiple times.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 12, 2022, 12:46:52 am
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/6D740FD2-943D-43A3-9B30-E17F8A201F0C-e1657818291729.jpeg)

MORE FROM KARI LAKE’S LAWSUIT: 25,000 Ballots Added To Maricopa County’s Vote Totals AFTER Election Day

This is similar to a 2020 election finding that hundreds of thousands of 2020 election ballots also lacked the necessary chain of custody documentation.

The filing also states that 25,000 ballots were added to Maricopa County’s totals after election day.

This could explain why Democratic candidates won over 50% of election day votes despite only recording 17% of the turnout on election day.

This finding is similar to a Maricopa County 2020 election report from Verity Vote that used public records requests to discover that more than 20,000 2020 election ballots were illegally counted.

https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1601430171051241472

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/kari-lakes-lawsuit-25000-ballots-added-maricopa-countys-vote-totals-election-day/
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 12, 2022, 12:48:58 am
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/runbeck-printing-az.jpg)

HUGE: Runbeck Whistleblower Reveals That Chain Of Custody For OVER 298,942 Maricopa County Ballots Delivered To Runbeck On Election Day Did Not Exist, Employees Allowed To Add Family Members’ Ballots Without Any Documentation

“Maricopa County election officials engaged in numerous breaches of Arizona election law in their handling and custody of ballots, making it impossible to conclude that the vote tallies reported by Maricopa County accurately reflect the votes cast by Arizona voters,” contends the lawsuit.

Kari Lake’s team of expert attorneys have gathered evidence from signed witness testimony, Runbeck whistleblowers, and Maricopa County whistleblowers to craft a 70-page lawsuit against Maricopa County and Secretary of State Katie Hobbs.

Included in the complaint is a shocking claim by a Runbeck employee that nearly 300,000 ballots were delivered to Runbeck on Election Day with no chain of custody documentation.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/huge-runbeck-whistleblower-reveals-chain-custody-298942-maricopa-county-ballots-delivered-runbeck-election-day-not-exist-employees-allowed-add-family-members-ballots/
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 12, 2022, 03:13:10 am
@Free Vulcan

I honestly can't think of a single time that worked,and changed the reported results of an election. All it did was piss people off and cost a lot of money for nothing.

After all,what are the consequences if it is proven an election was rigged? ALL that would happen would be for the top guy and his aides to MAYBE be indicted,but they are people with political connections and the most they would get would be a fine and probation.

We need to make PURPOSEFUL vote rigging and stealing a capital offense punishable by hanging.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 13, 2022, 03:38:56 pm
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MASSIVE Machine Failures And Voter Disenfranchisement In Red Districts Of Maricopa County “Could Not Arise Absent INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT” Says IT and Elections Expert

...Given the policies and procedures governing the testing and use of electronic voting systems in Arizona, the extent and character of the problems and breakdowns encountered at Vote Centers in Maricopa County on Election Day eliminate any plausible explanation other than intentional causation as the reason for the widespread breakdowns of printers and/or tabulators at the Vote Centers that day. Maricopa County did not experience these kinds of widespread breakdowns in the days leading up Election Day, or during the limited testing performed on the election equipment. The sudden widespread appearance of preventable breakdowns on Election Day, a day on which it was known that the electorate would be heavily weighted toward voters favoring Lake, was an outcome materially and adversely and Maricopa indicates that the problems were intentionally caused.

Clay Parikh is a qualified cyber expert with nearly twenty years’ experience. He has operated at some of the highest levels in the U.S. government in the areas of Information Assurance (IA), Information Security and Cyber Security, Vulnerability Management, Security Test and Evaluation (ST&E) and system accreditation.[1] Parikh has provided cyber work and support to organizations such as NATO, NASA-Marshall Space Flight Center, and multiple Department of Defense agencies within the U.S. government...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/massive-machine-failures-voter-disenfranchisement-red-districts-maricopa-county-not-arise-absent-intentional-misconduct-says-elections-expert/

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 15, 2022, 04:43:11 am
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EXCLUSIVE: AZ State Sen. Sonny Borrelli Lawsuit Against Maricopa County Includes Evidence Maricopa Performed Illegal Voter Signature Verifications – FILING AND SHOCKING EXHIBITS INCLUDED

Arizona State Senator Sonny Borrelli has filed a lawsuit against Katie Hobbs and Maricopa County on behalf of Mohave County, alleging that Maricopa County “experimented with unproven and proprietary artificial intelligence in voter signature verification.”

Borrelli’s lawsuit states that due to Maricopa County’s use of “unproven software programs that improperly but unavoidably influenced the judgment of poorly trained workers tasked with signature verification, in violation of Arizona statutory law, the voting strength of residents of Mohave County, Arizona, was diluted and their Constitutional rights were violated.”

True The Vote made this shocking discovery.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/exclusive-az-state-sen-sonny-borrelli-lawsuit-maricopa-county-includes-evidence-maricopa-performed-illegal-voter-signature-verifications-filing-shocking-exhibits-included/

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 15, 2022, 04:49:48 am
Here's the court calendar, agreed upon by Lake's attorney and the defendants - the Maricopa County Board, County Recorder Stephen Richer and Hobbs' Secretary of State's Office:

State and county elections lawyers will make their case to dismiss Lake's lawsuit on Monday, Dec. 19.
If the judge doesn't dismiss the suit, there will be a two-day hearing next Wednesday and Thursday, Dec. 21 and 22.
Under state law, the judge must then decide within five days - no later than Tuesday, Dec. 27  - whether to confirm Hobbs as the winner or toss out her victory.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/lake-lawsuit-could-extend-beyond-hobbs-swearing-in/75-3791c7c0-4b31-4fa6-b221-93dd65fb0e83

Regardless of the result (which does not mean I don't care.....I would love to see Hobbs win...then lose.....), we need a system where there can be NO EFFING Question if it was a good one or not.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 15, 2022, 06:54:37 am
Here's the court calendar, agreed upon by Lake's attorney and the defendants - the Maricopa County Board, County Recorder Stephen Richer and Hobbs' Secretary of State's Office:

State and county elections lawyers will make their case to dismiss Lake's lawsuit on Monday, Dec. 19.
If the judge doesn't dismiss the suit, there will be a two-day hearing next Wednesday and Thursday, Dec. 21 and 22.
Under state law, the judge must then decide within five days - no later than Tuesday, Dec. 27  - whether to confirm Hobbs as the winner or toss out her victory.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/lake-lawsuit-could-extend-beyond-hobbs-swearing-in/75-3791c7c0-4b31-4fa6-b221-93dd65fb0e83

Regardless of the result (which does not mean I don't care.....I would love to see Hobbs win...then lose.....), we need a system where there can be NO EFFING Question if it was a good one or not.
I agree. Even more important is that the challenge be given fair hearing, which, IMHO would have inevitable results of overturning or at least invalidating the results and forcing a new election, sans skulduggery.

The ramifications of such an outcome could be felt far from Arizona, as they would provide precedent for contesting other highly questionable practices in other "battleground" states, something which will be sorely needed by 2024.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 15, 2022, 08:19:10 am
The ramifications of such an outcome could be felt far from Arizona, as they would provide precedent for contesting other highly questionable practices in other "battleground" states, something which will be sorely needed by 2024.

At the very least that's what I'm hoping will happen. We have to crack this open and see what's going on in the inside.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 15, 2022, 08:43:37 am
At the very least that's what I'm hoping will happen. We have to crack this open and see what's going on in the inside.
Whatever it is, I would bet it is an order of magnitude worse than even us "conspiracy theorists" have imagined. If we get a good look, it will be an ugly sight to behold.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 15, 2022, 02:44:50 pm
Whatever it is, I would bet it is an order of magnitude worse than even us "conspiracy theorists" have imagined. If we get a good look, it will be an ugly sight to behold.

My fear is that when we get to the bottom of this is that these machines, especially Dominion's, can have their counts easily manipulated and changed, either remotely or pre-programmed, and unless there's paper ballots or electronic trail it's pretty much undetectable.

The failure rate of the Maricopa machines and where they failed, given they tested fine the evening before, is the kind of red flag that indicates the ability to do that.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on December 15, 2022, 02:59:45 pm
Here's the court calendar, agreed upon by Lake's attorney and the defendants - the Maricopa County Board, County Recorder Stephen Richer and Hobbs' Secretary of State's Office:

State and county elections lawyers will make their case to dismiss Lake's lawsuit on Monday, Dec. 19.
If the judge doesn't dismiss the suit, there will be a two-day hearing next Wednesday and Thursday, Dec. 21 and 22.
Under state law, the judge must then decide within five days - no later than Tuesday, Dec. 27  - whether to confirm Hobbs as the winner or toss out her victory.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/lake-lawsuit-could-extend-beyond-hobbs-swearing-in/75-3791c7c0-4b31-4fa6-b221-93dd65fb0e83

Regardless of the result (which does not mean I don't care.....I would love to see Hobbs win...then lose.....), we need a system where there can be NO EFFING Question if it was a good one or not.

 :amen: I'm watching this closely as there is much at stake IMHO. Far beyond Arizona in fact.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on December 15, 2022, 03:06:24 pm
My fear is that when we get to the bottom of this is that these machines, especially Dominion's, can have their counts easily manipulated and changed, either remotely or pre-programmed, and unless there's paper ballots or electronic trail it's pretty much undetectable.

The failure rate of the Maricopa machines and where they failed, given they tested fine the evening before, is the kind of red flag that indicates the ability to do that.

Texas has rejected Dominion Voting Systems three times for very good reasons @Free Vulcan .


Texas Rejected Use of Dominion Voting System Software Due to Efficiency Issues (https://thetexan.news/texas-rejected-use-of-dominion-voting-system-software-due-to-efficiency-issues/)

Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 15, 2022, 03:56:50 pm
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EXCLUSIVE: AZ State Sen. Sonny Borrelli Lawsuit Against Maricopa County Includes Evidence Maricopa Performed Illegal Voter Signature Verifications – FILING AND SHOCKING EXHIBITS INCLUDED

Sonny is my Senator. I haven't seen much of this story, but I knew he did it because I've seen the Complaint.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Bigun on December 15, 2022, 04:02:35 pm
Sonny is my Senator. I haven't seen much of this story, but I knew he did it because I've seen the Complaint.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 16, 2022, 05:37:08 am
The AZ Republic is about to self-combust.

If it goes, I hope there is a tape.

I'd pay good money to watch that.

It's never just "Kari Lake".  It's always (and I mean always) "Election Denier Kari Lake".   Additional descriptors are often added such as "Trump-backed, Election Denier Kari Lake". 

If she gets to the statehouse, I hope she bans them from any press conferences.

They don't report.  They drool.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 16, 2022, 04:54:34 pm
This is why I think there won't be a national divorce... because things will fracture at the state level and there's no natural boundaries at that level.
Title: Re: November 8th Election Thread
Post by: HikerGuy83 on January 15, 2023, 07:05:10 am
The election is slowly fading into the history books.

No wonder people are depressed.