David opines:
"if we want to make America great again, we need to go back to what made it great in the first place:  the Constitution and the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition its framers took for granted."

Ahem. Allow the dumbest member of the forum to speak up here.

First, a quote from Mr. Adams:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other".

Fishrrman:
"The Constitution and Anglo-Saxon legal tradition was made only for the Anglo-Saxon people and others of similar ethnicity. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other".

Having said that, we ought to go back to the concept of "the bracero".
Perhaps not only on farms, but in the construction fields as well.

Actually, they seem to work well for and with immigrants from other countries that were British colonies long enough for Anglo-Saxon legal norms to be established:  Indian-Americans, Jamaican-Americans and Nigerian-Americans (meaning recent immigrants in the latter case, not folks whose ancestors were enslaved by other Africans in what is now Nigeria and sold to European traders back in the 17th through early 19th centuries) are doing well economically, cause no crime problems, and fit in well politically and socially.  For that matter, they seem to work well with immigrants from East Asia as well.

Yep.

Fire is always a useful servant.
Fire is always a terrible master.

 

Even before we were taught how to build a fire, we were taught how to contain it--and even when no fire at all was the best option. Seems a lot of the "Smokey the Bear" stuff got lost somewhere.

Yep.

Fire is always a useful servant.
Fire is always a terrible master.

 

Some of that is probably true. But there are other factors.

Foremost, I think that city folks are even more ignorant than they have ever been... But at the same time, circumstances are such that there is great interest in the woods, in living off the land - so there is a greater load of these greenhorns than usual.

I see that here. One of the young bucks I know couldn't get a slash pile to burn this spring, so he waited for it to dry out sommore, and lit off 10 acres by the time he lit it at all. Just plain dumb, but could have been a whole lot worse.

Last spring, another one burned down his own camp kicking over an oil heater in his sleep. That was another one that got bad, but could have gone way worse.

That's two I have direct knowledge of, where normal is none. 

But by far and away, I think it is poor land management - Ladder fuels have been stacking up for years where people interact with the woods the most... And increased use is driving newbies deeper in because camps are overused and have no resources close to hand, right to where those ladder fuels are.

That's where I would go too - where the fuel is easy picking - I just have the sense it takes to keep from lighting the whole thing up.

Even before we were taught how to build a fire, we were taught how to contain it--and even when no fire at all was the best option. Seems a lot of the "Smokey the Bear" stuff got lost somewhere.