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Title: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to be a
Post by: Suppressed on February 28, 2018, 01:32:45 pm
Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to be a part of this story'
By DAVID CAPLAN KATIE KINDELAN  Feb 28, 2018, 7:52 AM ET
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-company-longer-sell-assault/story?id=53403284 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-company-longer-sell-assault/story?id=53403284)

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Dick's Sporting Goods Inc., one of the largest retailers of its kind in the United States, is taking new steps to curtail the sale of firearms, including ending sales of assault-style rifles and banning the sale of guns to people younger than 21, the company announced this morning.

"Based on what’s happened and looking at those kids and those parents, it moved us all unimaginably," company Chairman and CEO Edward Stack said today on "Good Morning America," referring to the Feb. 14 school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that killed 14 students and three educators.

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Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 01:48:30 pm
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In the letter, Stack explained, "We support and respect the Second Amendment, and we recognize and appreciate that the vast majority of gun owners in this country are responsible, law-abiding citizens. But we have to help solve the problem that's in front of us. Gun violence is an epidemic that's taking the lives of too many people, including the brightest hope for the future of America –- our kids."

How can one disagree with that?   Preserve the right, but acknowledge and help solve the problem. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 01:49:09 pm
Stores have the right to set their own policy.

We will see if they stick to this policy.

The Political Backlash Against Gun Sales Is Driving Them Upward
https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/12/20/the-political-backlash-against-gun-sales-is-driving-them-upward/#2604b1d27d8d (https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/12/20/the-political-backlash-against-gun-sales-is-driving-them-upward/#2604b1d27d8d)
DEC 20, 2012

...Meanwhile, as a response to the Sandy Hook massacre, the retail chain Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. stopped selling semi-automatic rifles at all of its 480 stores....

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Dick's Sporting Goods Guns: 7 Types of Guns You Can and Cannot Buy
https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/dicks-sporting-goods-guns-types-buy/2015/01/08/id/617446/ (https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/dicks-sporting-goods-guns-types-buy/2015/01/08/id/617446/)
 08 Jan 2015

...Dick’s no longer sells these modern sporting rifles, which resemble the M-16 military rifle. As a semiautomatic, one round is released with each trigger pull. An AR-15 was used at Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting spree....
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on February 28, 2018, 02:03:16 pm
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Dick's Sporting Goods unveils BOLD plan to help small business owners sell more guns
Exactly. Go to your local gun shop.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 02:11:51 pm
I have shopped Dicks before.  Not often as I have never warmed up to the place so I go elsewhere.  I only use them for comparison price shopping and the buy from Amazon. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on February 28, 2018, 02:16:52 pm
I get golf gloves there, but only when they're on sale.
The only gun-related thing I ever purchased at Dick's was a box of .22LR.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 02:22:23 pm
I thought Dickless's dropped Sporting Rifles a long time ago....
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 02:24:28 pm
How can one disagree with that?   Preserve the right, but acknowledge and help solve the problem.

Vendors should be free to sell or not sell whatever they please, right?  "How can one disagree with that?"
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 02:24:39 pm
I thought Dickless's dropped Sporting Rifles a long time ago....

The did and I haven't spent a dime there since.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 02:27:23 pm
How can one disagree with that?   Preserve the right, but acknowledge and help solve the problem.

@Jazzhead
Certainly their right although as another posted has noted you seem somewhat selective in allowing business owners that right.

As a consumer I choose not to spend money in their business.

Finally, since rifles are only used in 3% of all murders they really aren't accomplishing anything except trying to get some free press.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 02:28:49 pm
I thought Dickless's dropped Sporting Rifles a long time ago....

...In 2012, after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Dick’s removed assault-style rifles from its main retail stores. But a few months later, the company began carrying the firearms at its outdoor and hunting retail chain, Field & Stream.

This time, Mr. Stack said, the changes will be permanent....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/dicks-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/dicks-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles.html)
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 02:29:11 pm
I thought Dickless's dropped Sporting Rifles a long time ago....

The only time I was in a Dick's - they had no firearms section at all.  Hunting gear and bows, but no rifles or pistols or ammunition.   

I was actually there to see if they had snorkel gear for an upcoming cruise.

I could not believe how ridiculously high priced they were.

I have no plans to go back.

They just opened up an Academy Sports out there.  Don't know if they sell firearms or not, but if I have a need to find frisbees for the GSD, I might pop in sometime to have a lookie around.

I have a local gun shop I patronize for my arms and stuff.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 02:33:01 pm
Vendors should be free to sell or not sell whatever they please, right?  "How can one disagree with that?"

I like your style Son!.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 02:33:59 pm
...In 2012, after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Dick’s removed assault-style rifles from its main retail stores. But a few months later, the company began carrying the firearms at its outdoor and hunting retail chain, Field & Stream.

This time, Mr. Stack said, the changes will be permanent....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/dicks-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/dicks-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles.html)

They opened a Bass Pro Shops in my area.   Their opening weekend people had to park a mile away.  The place is packed every weekend and they certainly don't mind selling sporting rifles.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 02:36:02 pm
They just opened up an Academy Sports out there.  Don't know if they sell firearms or not, but if I have a need to find frisbees for the GSD, I might pop in sometime to have a lookie around.

They sell a lot of firearms at decent price for big box store.

Often very good price on ammo.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 02:37:09 pm
They opened a Bass Pro Shops in my area.   Their opening weekend people had to park a mile away.  The place is packed every weekend and they certainly don't mind selling sporting rifles.

Nor does Cabella's.  I don't have one near me now but I loved the one in North Fort Worth by the "Ross Perot" Acre's (Alliance Airport)
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 02:41:20 pm
Nor does Cabella's.  I don't have one near me now but I loved the one in North Fort Worth by the "Ross Perot" Acre's (Alliance Airport)

My main complaint against them is I went in a couple weeks ago to buy a Henry 45/70 and they were sold out.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: ABX on February 28, 2018, 02:54:50 pm
How can one disagree with that?   Preserve the right, but acknowledge and help solve the problem.

It is hyperbole that does nothing to address root causes nor solves any problem. It is a marketing calculation, nothing more. They think it will bring good PR.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: andy58-in-nh on February 28, 2018, 02:58:21 pm
...and yet Dick's Sporting Goods now makes themselves a "part of the story", with their CEO going on national TV interviews (including this morning on ABC's Good Morning America) to promote his brand, and one, supposes, their moral superiority.

One can make the case that (as Dick's CEO did) that it is risky to sell firearms under the current environment, which suffers from insufficient background checks for criminal histories and mental illness, and other failures of law enforcement. But why then sell guns at all, as opposed to not selling only semi-automatic rifles? More crazy people kill others with pistols than with rifles, after all.

But the entire problem here is that such violence is in fact, rare in the United States, in spite of highly-publicized events such as those in Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, and now in Florida.  Most firearms deaths in the US are the result of suicide (pistols, again). There is no good reason though, to refuse to sell semi-autos to responsible citizens, who in any event can buy the same weapons at dozens of other sporting goods and firearms outlets.


Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 03:03:23 pm
...and yet Dick's Sporting Goods now makes themselves a "part of the story", with their CEO going on national TV interviews (including this morning on ABC's Good Morning America) to promote his brand, and one, supposes, their moral superiority.

One can make the case that (as Dick's CEO did) that it is risky to sell firearms under the current environment, which suffers from insufficient background checks for criminal histories and mental illness, and other failures of law enforcement. But why then sell guns at all, as opposed to not selling only semi-automatic rifles? More crazy people kill others with pistols than with rifles, after all.

But the entire problem here is that such violence is in fact, rare in the United States, in spite of highly-publicized events such as those in Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, and now in Florida.  Most firearms deaths in the US are the result of suicide (pistols, again). There is no good reason though, to refuse to sell semi-autos to responsible citizens, who in any event can buy the same weapons at dozens of other sporting goods and firearms outlets.

@andy58-in-nh 

More felons commit murder with firearms then crazies.   Felons don't purchase their firearms at a gun store.

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
It is hyperbole that does nothing to address root causes nor solves any problem. It is a marketing calculation, nothing more. They think it will bring good PR.

It's not Dick's job to address root causes or solve problems.  What it can do is acknowledge the concerns many of its customers have regarding kids being shot in cold blood at concerts, schools and other public places.  Yes, it wants to portray itself as virtuous - and will likely suffer a loss of business for it.   Perhaps the rest of us should strive to be virtuous and civic-minded as well.     
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 03:22:24 pm
Even though Dick's advertises themselves as sellers of Sporting Goods and guns, they shouldn't be forced to sell things they find morally repugnant.  "How can one disagree with that?"
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 03:25:48 pm
It's not Dick's job to address root causes or solve problems.  What it can do is acknowledge the concerns many of its customers have regarding kids being shot in cold blood at concerts, schools and other public places.  Yes, it wants to portray itself as virtuous - and will likely suffer a loss of business for it.   Perhaps the rest of us should strive to be virtuous and civic-minded as well.     

What saccharine pap.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 03:34:20 pm
What saccharine pap.

He seems to be making the argument that Dick's can sell (or not) whatever they want.  "How can one disagree with that?"
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: dfwgator on February 28, 2018, 03:35:51 pm
I thought Dickless's dropped Sporting Rifles a long time ago....

Is this true?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: ABX on February 28, 2018, 03:35:57 pm
It's not Dick's job to address root causes or solve problems.  What it can do is acknowledge the concerns many of its customers have regarding kids being shot in cold blood at concerts, schools and other public places.  Yes, it wants to portray itself as virtuous - and will likely suffer a loss of business for it.   Perhaps the rest of us should strive to be virtuous and civic-minded as well.     

You just said in the comment I was responding to it was helping solve the problem.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 03:42:55 pm
You just said in the comment I was responding to it was helping solve the problem.

My original comment tracked the language of Dick's statement:

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But we have to help solve the problem that's in front of us. Gun violence is an epidemic that's taking the lives of too many people . . .

Now is Dick's action, by itself, going to "solve the problem", even in a small way?  Probably not.  But I like the old adage that if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.   Dick's will likely lose business for being civic-minded rather than selfish.   Virtue is its own, and this case likely only, reward. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: andy58-in-nh on February 28, 2018, 03:44:51 pm
@andy58-in-nh 

More felons commit murder with firearms then crazies.   Felons don't purchase their firearms at a gun store.

That's exactly right. Which is why all gun control laws are ultimately useless.

We have culture and morality problems. We have behavioral and mental illness problems. We have law enforcement problems.

Guns did not cause any of these problems, and banning them won't solve them, either.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 03:44:55 pm
It's not Dick's job to address root causes or solve problems.  What it can do is acknowledge the concerns many of its customers have regarding kids being shot in cold blood at concerts, schools and other public places.  Yes, it wants to portray itself as virtuous - and will likely suffer a loss of business for it.   Perhaps the rest of us should strive to be virtuous and civic-minded as well.     

@Jazzhead
First you commend them for helping to solve the 'problem' and then say its not their job to address the problem.

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 03:46:25 pm
My original comment tracked the language of Dick's statement:

Now is Dick's action, by itself, going to "solve the problem", even in a small way?  Probably not.  But I like the old adage that if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.   Dick's will likely lose business for being civic-minded rather than selfish.   Virtue is its own, and this case likely only, reward.

@Jazzhead
So based on your logic should Dicks also stop selling knives?  They kill a lot more people then guns.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 28, 2018, 04:00:21 pm
This is grand standing bullshit to inject themselves into the story. This crappy store hasen't had guns for years.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: skeeter on February 28, 2018, 04:00:31 pm
@Jazzhead
So based on your logic should Dicks also stop selling knives?  They kill a lot more people then guns.

Dicks selfishly considers knives a bridge too far.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: catfish1957 on February 28, 2018, 04:02:25 pm
I'd say the company is pretty aptly named.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: dfwgator on February 28, 2018, 04:03:51 pm
That's exactly right. Which is why all gun control laws are ultimately useless.

We have culture and morality problems. We have behavioral and mental illness problems. We have law enforcement problems.

Guns did not cause any of these problems, and banning them won't solve them, either.

And focusing on guns is a cop-out to avoid talking about the root causes,  which contain a lot of 'inconvenient truths'.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 04:04:00 pm
Guns did not cause any of these problems, and banning them won't solve them, either.

I believe the idea is that banning certain types of guns with large capacities and rapid fire, that the carnage at mass shootings may be less.   For example, if the Las Vegas shooter didn't have an array of high capacity semi-autos,  he may have killed 10 folks and wounded 25, rather than killed 50 and wounded 500.   

So the idea isn't to "solve" the problem of crazies with guns, but rather limit their ability to cause multiple deaths in a short period of time.   

I'm not saying I support these types of bans;  I'm merely describing what appears to be the motivation behind them.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 04:05:21 pm
And focusing on guns is a cop-out to avoid talking about the root causes,  which contain a lot of 'inconvenient truths'.

What cop out?   Why not address both?   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 04:06:32 pm
I believe the idea is that banning certain types of guns with large capacities and rapid fire, that the carnage at mass shootings may be less.   For example, if the Las Vegas shooter didn't have an array of high capacity semi-autos,  he may have killed 10 folks and wounded 25, rather than killed 50 and wounded 500.   

So the idea isn't to "solve" the problem of crazies with guns, but rather limit their ability to cause multiple deaths in a short period of time.   

I'm not saying I support these types of bans;  I'm merely describing what appears to be the motivation behind them.   

@Jazzhead
Thats the stated motivation.  Each and every proposal by gun control activists are simply one more step to make it harder and more expensive to own firearms.  They have clearly stated their goal is to ban all guns.  So anything, no matter how  minor that furthers that goal is acceptable.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 04:07:08 pm
@Jazzhead
First you commend them for helping to solve the 'problem' and then say its not their job to address the problem.

Like I said, at least they're willing to try to be part of a civic-minded solution.   They are not being merely selfish.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 04:08:05 pm
Is this true?

Apparently they did, but started selling them again in their subsidiary stores.  Oddly, people wanted them.  Who knew? :shrug:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 04:08:19 pm
What cop out?   Why not address both?

@Jazzhead

A.  Ownership of firearms is a constitutionally protected right.
B.  Gun control has been proven to increase crime and deaths associated with those crimes. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Suppressed on February 28, 2018, 04:42:13 pm
@Jazzhead
So based on your logic should Dicks also stop selling knives?  They kill a lot more people then guns.

@driftdiver

Uh, no.  Not even close, at least in the US.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Suppressed on February 28, 2018, 04:51:45 pm
My main complaint against them is I went in a couple weeks ago to buy a Henry 45/70 and they were sold out.

Ask Allen Lee in the Far Harbor gun store.  He usually has one for sale every couple of days.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/5/53/FO4-FarHarbor-AllenLee-Top.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/604?cb=20160521181351)
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 04:53:09 pm
Like I said, at least they're willing to try to be part of a civic-minded solution.   They are not being merely selfish.   

Only tyrants and their supporters are stupid enough to declare that a refusal to surrender a Right and the instruments and exercises of that right is 'selfish'.

I think we should take a page out of your playbook, and find a pro-2nd Amendment Judge and sue Dicks for refusing to sell guns when they advertise that they are a sporting goods store that sells sporting equipment and hunting gear.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: andy58-in-nh on February 28, 2018, 04:54:06 pm
I believe the idea is that banning certain types of guns with large capacities and rapid fire, that the carnage at mass shootings may be less.   For example, if the Las Vegas shooter didn't have an array of high capacity semi-autos,  he may have killed 10 folks and wounded 25, rather than killed 50 and wounded 500.   

So the idea isn't to "solve" the problem of crazies with guns, but rather limit their ability to cause multiple deaths in a short period of time.   

I'm not saying I support these types of bans;  I'm merely describing what appears to be the motivation behind them.   

The problem with that is that there are many millions of these weapons currently owned by Americans, and 99.999% of them will never be used to harm innocent life. They are, however, highly useful in defending and saving human lives.

Bear in mind also that these are not automatic weapons, they are not "weapons of war", nor do they allow the truly high rates of fire associated with such military weapons. If outfitted with so-called "bump-stocks", an AR-15 can fire more rapidly by reducing the time required between trigger pulls, although with a significant sacrifice in accuracy (which of course, did not help those poor people in Las Vegas).

But that sick, twisted bastard never should have had access to a gun in the first place, and that is primarily a failure of law enforcement, FBI background reporting and the detritus of cultural rot.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 04:55:08 pm
@Jazzhead
So based on your logic should Dicks also stop selling knives?  They kill a lot more people then guns.

Knives more than rifles, not the generic guns including handguns.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

But the problem with that claim is the amount in the column: Firearms (type unknown)

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 05:51:12 pm
@driftdiver

Uh, no.  Not even close, at least in the US.

@Suppressed

Sure they do.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:07:05 pm
The problem with that is that there are many millions of these weapons currently owned by Americans, and 99.999% of them will never be used to harm innocent life. They are, however, highly useful in defending and saving human lives.

A similar statement could be used with respect to cars.   As I've said repeatedly, the rules requiring owners to register and insure their cars has not led to confiscation.   The RKBA does not confer the right to amass arsenals in secret.  Guns, like cars, should be registered and insured. It's called being responsible.

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Bear in mind also that these are not automatic weapons, they are not "weapons of war", nor do they allow the truly high rates of fire associated with such military weapons. If outfitted with so-called "bump-stocks", an AR-15 can fire more rapidly by reducing the time required between trigger pulls, although with a significant sacrifice in accuracy (which of course, did not help those poor people in Las Vegas). 

I know what they are.  I don't favor bans on entire classes of weapons such as semi-automatics - for obvious reasons (as you alluded to above),  such laws impact the good guys far more than the bad guys.   I could, however, favor a ban on high capacity magazines and bump stocks.   

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But that sick, twisted bastard never should have had access to a gun in the first place, and that is primarily a failure of law enforcement, FBI background reporting and the detritus of cultural rot.

Agree, 100%.    That's why I favor such targeted measures as gun violence restraining orders.    There may have been insufficient evidence to incarcerate Cruz, but there may have been enough to take his guns away.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 06:10:44 pm
Guns, like cars, should be registered and insured. It's called being responsible.

So like cars, registered and insured if used in public funded areas? but not private property?

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on February 28, 2018, 06:17:57 pm
Dick's announcement is utterly irrelevant to most gun owners in my area. We generally patronize local gunshops or Cabela's. Now if Cabela's starts pandering to snowflakes, it may be a problem (though not for me, I'll stick to one of the locally-owned dealers).
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:20:27 pm
So like cars, registered and insured if used in public funded areas? but not private property?

 A whole bunch of jeeps out here that are fitted with a tow bar, or trailered to the sticks. not registered or insured. Legal off the paved road last I looked.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 06:21:32 pm
Dick's announcement is utterly irrelevant to most gun owners in my area. We generally patronize local gunshops or Cabela's. Now if Cabela's starts pandering to snowflakes, it may be a problem (though not for me, I'll stick to one of the locally-owned dealers).

Good point!  I only go to my local shop, with people I know.  That reminds me...I need to go get some more magazines.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:23:59 pm
Good point!  I only go to my local shop, with people I know.  That reminds me...I need to go get some more magazines.

Never bought a dang thing at Cabelas. Too spendy.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:27:20 pm
So like cars, registered and insured if used in public funded areas? but not private property?

You've beaten this drum before, and I don't understand what you're driving at (pun intended).   Cars and guns are different things; obviously the details of their respective registration/insurance regimes will differ.  But, broadly states, guns and cars are both (i) very useful (ii) have the potential to be very deadly, and (iii) very easily stolen by those intending to use them irresponsibly.    The rationale for registration and insurance exists for each, when each will be used for its intended purpose.     
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on February 28, 2018, 06:28:13 pm
I'm thinking of replacing my old (c. 1999) S&W .380 with a new lightweight model, possibly Ruger. My dealer has whatever I have in mind (http://-http://shop.morgantownguns.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns?&manufacturer=154).
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 06:28:35 pm
A whole bunch of jeeps out here that are fitted with a tow bar, or trailered to the sticks. not registered or insured. Legal off the paved road last I looked.

Exactly.  @Jazzhead repeatedly implies that owning a car requires insurance and registration.  Too many folks in the city that don't understand common things in rural life, or even in the suburbs.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 06:29:14 pm
Never bought a dang thing at Cabelas. Too spendy.

No.  I've never set foot in Cabela's, Bass or Dick's.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on February 28, 2018, 06:30:37 pm
Too many folks in the city that don't understand common things in rural life, or even in the suburbs.
That's exactly the problem with that little snowflake Hogg and his pals. Having lived only in large urban areas or affluent suburbs, they seem to have  no clue why people own guns and how they might actually need to own them.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 06:31:15 pm
You've beaten this drum before, and I don't understand what you're driving at (pun intended).   

You are complaining about somebody beating a drum before.

 :mauslaff:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:31:58 pm
Exactly.  @Jazzhead repeatedly implies that owning a car requires insurance and registration.  Too many folks in the city that don't understand common things in rural life, or even in the suburbs.

And too many folks from rural areas don't understand the special problems with gun violence that exist in the cities and suburbs.   In Montana, the "wild west" ethos may be charming; in Philadelphia it's deadly. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: XenaLee on February 28, 2018, 06:33:37 pm
That's exactly the problem with that little snowflake Hogg and his pals. Having lived only in large urban areas or affluent suburbs, they seem to have  no clue why people own guns and how they might actually need to own them.

Add to that.... their leftie penchant for hypocrisy.... ie that if they see or feeeel the need for protection, they'll be the first ones to go get a gun for their own safety (See: Rosie O'Donnell raving against gun ownership while employing an armed bodyguard).
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:33:59 pm
Exactly.  @Jazzhead repeatedly implies that owning a car requires insurance and registration.  Too many folks in the city that don't understand common things in rural life, or even in the suburbs.

Yep. Stock cars and mud trucks, Off-road racers, Pro Stock and Rails.... often perform on public lands without title, registration or insurance.

And it is a silly comparison anyway. Cars are not used to snatch liberty from tyrants. Guns, however, are.  Gun registries invariably lead to confiscation. That is the point.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:35:03 pm
That's exactly the problem with that little snowflake Hogg and his pals. Having lived only in large urban areas or affluent suburbs, they seem to have  no clue why people own guns and how they might actually need to own them.

But we're all part of the same nation.   Try to understand why people who aren't from rural areas might seek to reduce the number of guns, especially of the high-powered variety.   To you it's sport, to us it's survival. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 06:35:36 pm
You've beaten this drum before, and I don't understand what you're driving at (pun intended).

And you keep ignoring the facts.  You keep implying they are both dangerous and since cars are required to be registered and insured, guns should be treated the same.  It is a false comparison because the base claim about cars is false.  Cars, trucks etc are not required to be registered or insured.  The requirement is for driving them on public roads.

When I grew up in Ohio, my family routinely had winter vehicles and summer vehicles.  Insurance was dropped when they were not used 6 months out of the year.  Folks in my family continue to do that today.  Insurance is not required on the vehicle.  Only when used on the roads.

Quote
   Cars and guns are different things; obviously the details of their respective registration/insurance regimes will differ.  But, broadly states, guns and cars are both (i) very useful (ii) have the potential to be very deadly, and (iii) very easily stolen by those intending to use them irresponsibly.    The rationale for registration and insurance exists for each, when each will be used for its intended purpose. 

That "intended purpose" is just BS.  Cars are registered for WHERE they are used, not how or by whom.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:36:17 pm
And too many folks from rural areas don't understand the special problems with gun violence that exist in the cities and suburbs.   In Montana, the "wild west" ethos may be charming; in Philadelphia it's deadly.

So write your damn laws in Philadelphia FOR Philadelphia and leave Montana the hell alone. How is that so hard?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:37:13 pm
Guns, however, are.  Gun registries invariably lead to confiscation. That is the point.

No, that's not the point, because the Constitution guarantees the RKBA.   Gun registries IN THE CONTEXT OF THE RKBA do not lead to confiscation.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:38:53 pm
So write your damn laws in Philadelphia FOR Philadelphia and leave Montana the hell alone. How is that so hard?

And you do the same.  That's why I strongly oppose the proposed concealed carry reciprocity law.     
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:39:04 pm
But we're all part of the same nation.   Try to understand why people who aren't from rural areas might seek to reduce the number of guns, especially of the high-powered variety.   To you it's sport, to us it's survival.

BALONEY. High powered rifles (which a .223 pop gun ain't even close) are what we need to HUNT.  For us, it really IS about survival.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 06:40:34 pm
Actually, just the opposite.  Look at Chicago and Gary, Indiana.  Two cities very physically close yet with very different gun laws and resulting gun violence.  In Chicago, where many law abiding citizens are disarmed by government, more gun violence.

I'd like to see per capita statistics on that.  Chicago and Gary are probably demographically similar.  What are the differences in gun laws between the two cities?   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:41:41 pm
No, that's not the point, because the Constitution guarantees the RKBA.   Gun registries IN THE CONTEXT OF THE RKBA do not lead to confiscation.

Been there done that a hundred times. Australia had the right to bear arms. Registration and confiscation ensued.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:42:47 pm
And you do the same.  That's why I strongly oppose the proposed concealed carry reciprocity law.   

FINE. Then you should also oppose FEDERAL laws which apply everywhere.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: dfwgator on February 28, 2018, 06:43:38 pm
What cop out?   Why not address both?

Do you see that happening in the media?  Of course, not, it's all "Guns are bad" 24/7.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on February 28, 2018, 06:44:36 pm
I'd like to see per capita statistics on that.  Chicago and Gary are probably demographically similar.  What are the differences in gun laws between the two cities?   

I made a bad comparison.  I deleted it before I saw your response.  I should have checked individual cities first instead of State comparisons.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 06:55:52 pm
That's why I strongly oppose the proposed concealed carry reciprocity law.   

But it is funny, as an aside, that you are against reciprocity in gun licenses, but all for it in homo marriage licenses. Jussayin.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 06:59:33 pm
Exactly.  @Jazzhead repeatedly implies that owning a car requires insurance and registration.  Too many folks in the city that don't understand common things in rural life, or even in the suburbs.

@thackney
Maybe because he's never actually owned a car.  Simply took care of them for the bank.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:00:44 pm
Been there done that a hundred times. Australia had the right to bear arms. Registration and confiscation ensued.

We are not Australia.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: goodwithagun on February 28, 2018, 07:01:16 pm
How can one disagree with that?   Preserve the right, but acknowledge and help solve the problem.


Since the second amendment is about a right, much like the first amendment, shouldn't they be forced to sell guns like cake bakers are forced to sell wedding cakes?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:01:56 pm
We are not Australia.

@Jazzhead
Thats right, we're smarter then they were.  We know what you anti-gun zealots want and were not playing that game.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:06:23 pm
But it is funny, as an aside, that you are against reciprocity in gun licenses, but all for it in homo marriage licenses. Jussayin.  *****rollingeyes*****

Since when does a gay couple's desire to marry place you or anyone else in potential danger?   

Public safety is traditionally a local matter.  What exposes you to arrest for drunk driving in Montana may not expose you to arrest in Pennsylvania (or vice versa).   

Yes, marriage laws have also traditionally been a state matter.  But the foundation of gay marriage rights is the equal protection of the law as guaranteed by the 14th amendment.   Montana has to recognize gay marriages because it recognizes straight marriage.  Equal protection.   If Montana wanted to refuse to provide any benefits or official recognition of marriage altogether (gay or straight) it could do so.   But it cannot provide valuable benefits and protections for straight couples but not for gay couples.  Equal protection.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:08:04 pm
Since when does a gay couple's desire to marry place you or anyone else in potential danger?   

Public safety is traditionally a local matter.  What exposes you to arrest for drunk driving in Montana may not expose you to arrest in Pennsylvania (or vice versa).   

Yes, marriage laws have also traditionally been a state matter.  But the foundation of gay marriage rights is the equal protection of the law as guaranteed by the 14th amendment.   Montana has to recognize gay marriages because it recognizes straight marriage.  Equal protection.   If Montana wanted to refuse to provide any benefits or official recognition of marriage altogether (gay or straight) it could do so.   But it cannot provide valuable benefits and protections for straight couples but not for gay couples.  Equal protection.   

@Jazzhead
Equal protection eh?   So any woman could marry any man, or any man could marry any woman.

Sounds like it was equal
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:08:16 pm
@Jazzhead
Thats right, we're smarter then they were.  We know what you anti-gun zealots want and were not playing that game.

I'm not an anti-gun zealot.  But I recognize the selfishness of both sides' extremist positions.   I want to preserve the RKBA while addressing the epidemic of gun violence through efficacious, reasonable laws.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:09:42 pm
@Jazzhead
Equal protection eh?   So any woman could marry any man, or any man could marry any woman.

Sounds like it was equal

Not in the eyes of the law.  But I'm not going to further derail this thread. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 07:13:08 pm
So write your damn laws in Philadelphia FOR Philadelphia and leave Montana the hell alone. How is that so hard?

This is where he launches into his lecture about respecting "states' rights," then continues with his argument in favor of a Federal gun registration. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:13:15 pm
I'm not an anti-gun zealot.  But I recognize the selfishness of both sides' extremist positions.   I want to preserve the RKBA while addressing the epidemic of gun violence through efficacious, reasonable laws.

@Jazzhead
Yeah we've heard that before.  It was a lie then and its a lie now.

BTW, owning a firearm is not an extremist position.   Do you also seek to demonize women for voting or black people for not being slaves?   I mean it seems you have a problem with the Constitution.  Guess that makes you the extremist.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 07:13:34 pm
We are not Australia.

Yeah, Because we don't have gun registries.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:14:17 pm
Not in the eyes of the law.  But I'm not going to further derail this thread.

@Jazzhead
An out of control judiciary and a 'living' Constitution most certainly are pertinent to this thread.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 07:16:41 pm
We are not Australia.

Power thirsty bureaucrats are the same all over the world.  Your denial of the comparison is invalid.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 07:18:13 pm
Since when does a gay couple's desire to marry place you or anyone else in potential danger?   

Public safety is traditionally a local matter.  What exposes you to arrest for drunk driving in Montana may not expose you to arrest in Pennsylvania (or vice versa).   

Yes, marriage laws have also traditionally been a state matter.  But the foundation of gay marriage rights is the equal protection of the law as guaranteed by the 14th amendment.   Montana has to recognize gay marriages because it recognizes straight marriage.  Equal protection.   If Montana wanted to refuse to provide any benefits or official recognition of marriage altogether (gay or straight) it could do so.   But it cannot provide valuable benefits and protections for straight couples but not for gay couples.  Equal protection.   

All that doesn't matter. The reciprocity law is on point and without exception. If there is an exception, it would be in the redefining of marriage. The licensing of CCW has not been redefined, nor the R2KBA.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 07:20:12 pm
I'm not an anti-gun zealot.  But I recognize the selfishness of both sides' extremist positions.   I want to preserve the RKBA while addressing the epidemic of gun violence through efficacious, reasonable laws.

We don't have any such epidemic here. So make your laws for yourself and quit trying to jam them down our throats federally.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:22:01 pm
We don't have any such epidemic here. So make your laws for yourself and quit trying to jam them down our throats federally.

@roamer_1
Its like he's playing buzzword bingo.   Where he gets points for every use of talking point words.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 07:22:59 pm
But we're all part of the same nation.   

No we are not.

We no longer agree on fundamentals to peacefully coexist for much longer.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 07:23:01 pm
This is where he launches into his lecture about respecting "states' rights," then continues with his argument in favor of a Federal gun registration. *****rollingeyes*****

Yeah. he loves jamming his values down other folks throats. Let them eat cake (That was a 'Bake the Damn Cake pun, yes it was). .
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Suppressed on February 28, 2018, 07:24:46 pm
@Suppressed

Sure they do.

@driftdiver

Would you please provide a citation for such a wild claim?




For murder, here are the stats from the FBI UCR for 2016:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

For US, including DC and USVI:
Total murders was   15,070
Total firearm murders was   11,004
Total knife murders was    1,604

I don't think there's a huge number of accidental knife deaths compared to firearms (I'll let you look that up), and 60% of firearm deaths are suicide, and I don't think there are thousands upon thousands of knife suicides.

Are you trying to say that there's a lot more utility in using a knife for self-defense than a gun?  If not, then where are all these invisible knife deaths you're claiming?

Knives don't "kill a lot more people then [sic] guns" in the US, unless you're being silly and saying that you meant that knives kill a lot more people than knives kill guns.

Besides, guns and knives don't kill people....people and bump stocks kill people (at least, according to the NRA)}.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:26:30 pm
@driftdiver

Would you please provide a citation for such a wild claim?




For murder, here are the stats from the FBI UCR for 2016:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

For US, including DC and USVI:
Total murders was   15,070
Total firearm murders was   11,004
Total knife murders was    1,604

I don't think there's a huge number of accidental knife deaths compared to firearms (I'll let you look that up), and 60% of firearm deaths are suicide, and I don't think there are thousands upon thousands of knife suicides.

Are you trying to say that there's a lot more utility in using a knife for self-defense than a gun?  If not, then where are all these invisible knife deaths you're claiming?

Knives don't "kill a lot more people then [sic] guns" in the US, unless you're being silly and saying that you meant that knives kill a lot more people than knives kill guns.

Besides, guns and knives don't kill people....people and bump stocks kill people (at least, according to the NRA)}.

@Suppressed
I was referring to assault rifles since that is the subject of this thread.

And yes more people are murdered with knives then with assault rifles or actually any rifle.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 07:30:10 pm
Even though Dick's advertises themselves as sellers of Sporting Goods and guns, they shouldn't be forced to sell things they find morally repugnant.  "How can one disagree with that?"

I see what you did there.   888high58888
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 07:43:49 pm
I see what you did there.   888high58888

Shhh!

(Last time I did the high-five thing I got hit with a frying pan.... **nononono* )
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 07:48:49 pm
Shhh!

(Last time I did the high-five thing I got hit with a frying pan.... **nononono* )

Maybe you should be more discerning with who you are high fiving.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Elderberry on February 28, 2018, 07:52:16 pm
My main complaint against them is I went in a couple weeks ago to buy a Henry 45/70 and they were sold out.

Henry Rifle 45-70 loads
 
I asked Henry rifle technical representative what loads their rifle was designed to handle - those for the old Springfield Trapdoors, the lever actions like the Win 1886 or the Ruger#1 falling blocks actions? The response was any manufactured load with bullets of 405 grains or less. So I sent him the page from Hodgdon reloading data showing loads for the Ruger#1 or equivalent with loads under 405 grains, some of which reach 50,000 cup and asked would these be acceptable. The response was we do not recommend reloads and will not therefore comment on those but it is safe to use any manufactured load with bullets of 405 grains or less.

I guess I knew what their response would be, but I still dislike their attorneys as all the manufacturers know reloads will be used and don't care enough about the safety of their customers to give us pertinent specs for the rifles or even refer us to the generally used reloading data which would keep us safe assuming we follow the data correctly.



http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/137160-henry-rifle-45-70-loads.html (http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/137160-henry-rifle-45-70-loads.html)

I've loaded for several different 45/70 rifles that would handle differing pressures safely.

I have not been able to discern the save pressure level for the Henry.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 07:53:07 pm
Maybe you should be more discerning with who you are high fiving.   :whistle:

And when... **nononono*
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:53:37 pm
@Jazzhead
An out of control judiciary and a 'living' Constitution most certainly are pertinent to this thread.

An out of control judiciary?   You should thank your lucky stars for the Heller opinion.  It was the first time in 200 years that the Court acknowledged the Constitution's protection of an individual RKBA,  outside the militia context of the 2A.   Your individual right to self defense is the PRODUCT of a "living Constitution"! 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 07:55:47 pm
An out of control judiciary?   You should thank your lucky stars for the Heller opinion.  It was the first time in 200 years that the Court acknowledged the Constitution's protection of an individual RKBA,  outside the militia context of the 2A.   Your individual right to self defense is the PRODUCT of a "living Constitution"!

All rights flow from the barrel of a gavel. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:58:25 pm
Henry Rifle 45-70 loads
 
I asked Henry rifle technical representative what loads their rifle was designed to handle - those for the old Springfield Trapdoors, the lever actions like the Win 1886 or the Ruger#1 falling blocks actions? The response was any manufactured load with bullets of 405 grains or less. So I sent him the page from Hodgdon reloading data showing loads for the Ruger#1 or equivalent with loads under 405 grains, some of which reach 50,000 cup and asked would these be acceptable. The response was we do not recommend reloads and will not therefore comment on those but it is safe to use any manufactured load with bullets of 405 grains or less.

I guess I knew what their response would be, but I still dislike their attorneys as all the manufacturers know reloads will be used and don't care enough about the safety of their customers to give us pertinent specs for the rifles or even refer us to the generally used reloading data which would keep us safe assuming we follow the data correctly.



http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/137160-henry-rifle-45-70-loads.html (http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/137160-henry-rifle-45-70-loads.html)

I've loaded for several different 45/70 rifles that would handle differing pressures safely.

I have not been able to discern the save pressure level for the Henry.

@Elderberry
Its not that they don't care about your safety.  Its that they dont care to be sued.  Any answer other then the one he gave you opens them up to shyster lawyers.   Because you know some bonehead would hurt themselves and then try to sue.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 07:58:38 pm
@Jazzhead
BTW, owning a firearm is not an extremist position.   

Don't be a fool.  No one is trying to take your precious guns away.   Your right is protected by the Constitution.   But all rights under the Constitution are subject to one degree or anther to reasonable regulation.  Every last one. 

I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 07:59:54 pm
Don't be a fool.  No one is trying to take your precious guns away.   Your right is protected by the Constitution.   But all rights under the Constitution are subject to one degree or anther to reasonable regulation.  Every last one. 

I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.

@Jazzhead

Right, got any bridge for sale?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 08:02:04 pm
Just be responsible and register them.

No.
Now what?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 08:05:39 pm
Just be responsible and register them.

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Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 08:09:23 pm
Your right is protected by the Constitution.   But all rights under the Constitution are subject to one degree or anther to reasonable regulation.  Every last one.

And again, you have argued the plain fact that we do not have "rights' except in name only.  Yo have relegated them to government-granted privileges only allowed to be exercised if and when you conform to government mandates, taxes, fees and regulations.

That makes them a government regulated privilege, not a Right.  And all of us understand that Government-granted privileges can and will be rescinded and revoked and properties confiscated as history teaches time and again.

I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.

And when we refuse to comply... then what?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 08:14:26 pm


I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.

My response echo's Chuck Heston's.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 08:23:47 pm
Don't be a fool.  No one is trying to take your precious guns away.   Your right is protected by the Constitution.   But all rights under the Constitution are subject to one degree or anther to reasonable regulation.  Every last one. 

I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.

I never did catch what part of the Constitution you claim covers individual ownership of guns, since it seemed your were arguing the other day that A2 was specifically about militia.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 28, 2018, 08:25:58 pm
Don't be a fool.  No one is trying to take your precious guns away.

You can answer without insults
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 08:32:27 pm
I never did catch what part of the Constitution you claim covers individual ownership of guns, since it seemed your were arguing the other day that A2 was specifically about militia.

His life and reasoning revolves around the infallible decrees judges in black robes have to rule about what they think the parchment means and says.

His meddlesome tyrannical mindset continually crafts argumentation that essentially says the same thing:  your Rights are not Rights at all - but privileges granted at the benevolent allowance of government and their courts, as long as snowflakes like him are placated because they do not trust you or I with liberty.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 08:38:09 pm
I never did catch what part of the Constitution you claim covers individual ownership of guns, since it seemed your were arguing the other day that A2 was specifically about militia.

The same part of the Constitution that protects other natural rights,  such as the right to privacy.  That natural right, btw, is the right to defense of home and property.  Facially, the 2A doesn't address the natural right; it's about the citizens' militia.  Heller confirms that the RKBA for purposes of individual self defense is protected by the Constitution.  Just as the right to abortion (derivative of the right of privacy)  is.  You can't be denied your right to own guns to protect your home, but that has nothing to do with whether the peoples' elected representatives can decide to require for reasons of public safety that you register your guns (or, in the case of abortion, to require the dirty deed be done prior to the 20th week of pregnancy).  Registration isn't denial of the right.  Nor does reasonable regulation constitute denial of the abortion right. 

All rights are not absolute, and can be regulated as to time, place and manner of exercise.   Heller confirms as much with respect to the gun right.     
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 08:41:02 pm
I think ole Jazz is just shining us rubes on.  He's really not a gun grabbing liberal asshat.  He just want's us to think he is one.

Damn fine job Jazz.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 08:42:33 pm
His life and reasoning revolves around the infallible decrees judges in black robes have to rule about what they think the parchment means and says.


The "parchment" says the RKBA is in connection with the maintenance of the citizens' militia.   The Constitution's protection of the natural right to individual self defense is the product of those judges in black robes.   Yes, it is protected because of the "living Constitution".   The "parchment" doesn't say squat.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 08:42:37 pm
The same part of the Constitution that protects other natural rights,  such as the right to privacy.  That natural right, btw, is the right to defense of home and property.  Facially, the 2A doesn't address the natural right; it's about the citizens' militia.  Heller confirms that the RKBA for purposes of individual self defense is protected by the Constitution.  Just as the right to abortion (derivative of the right of privacy)  is.  You can't be denied your right to own guns to protect your home, but that has nothing to do with whether the peoples' elected representatives can decide to require for reasons of public safety that you register your guns (or, in the case of abortion, to require the dirty deed be done prior to the 20th week of pregnancy).  Registration isn't denial of the right.  Nor does reasonable regulation constitute denial of the abortion right. 

All rights are not absolute, and can be regulated as to time, place and manner of exercise.   Heller confirms as much with respect to the gun right.   

And what is the point of registration?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 08:51:49 pm
And what is the point of registration?

You and I know, but I want to hear what he thinks it is...
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 08:52:47 pm
The "parchment" says the RKBA is in connection with the maintenance of the citizens' militia.   The Constitution's protection of the natural right to individual self defense is the product of those judges in black robes.   Yes, it is protected because of the "living Constitution".   The "parchment" doesn't say squat.

Oh, you're the Bill Clinton type of democrat.  That explains a whole lot.

If the Constitution says nothing about an individual right to owning firearms then Fed Gov has no business regulating them.  It would be left to the States.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 08:54:03 pm
And what is the point of registration?

Public safety.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: jpsb on February 28, 2018, 08:54:17 pm
And what is the point of registration?

@RoosGirl @Jazzhead

The point of registration now is to make it easy to confiscate later. Anyone that supporters
registration now will support confiscation later. It is the old Marxist bait a switch.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 08:56:31 pm
Public safety.

How does registration of my firearms make the public safe? 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:02:09 pm
@RoosGirl @Jazzhead

The point of registration now is to make it easy to confiscate later. Anyone that supporters
registration now will support confiscation later. It is the old Marxist bait a switch.

That's the only reason.  What he will differ on is how reasonable will that confiscation be?  There are people in HI and CA who have been notified to turn their weapons in because they had Medical Marijuana cards.  The only way the states knew to send those notices (and cops to the door if you refuse to comply) is because they previously ordered the registration of the weapons.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 09:06:45 pm
Public safety.

The public is no safer from a registered gun than from an unregistered one.  You know how I know this?  None of my guns are registered and the only thing they've shot are paper targets, quail and cats. 

Now, I"ll tell you how the public will be safer.  Registration and tracking of people who think they can get people to believe that the public will be safer is guns are registered.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 09:12:05 pm
Public safety.

@Jazzhead
How does registration improve public safety?

DC has registration.  So does Chicago.  Also, Baltimore.

Has it made those cities safer?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 09:13:26 pm
The "parchment" says the RKBA is in connection with the maintenance of the citizens' militia.   The Constitution's protection of the natural right to individual self defense is the product of those judges in black robes.   Yes, it is protected because of the "living Constitution".   The "parchment" doesn't say squat.

Because the Parchment as ratified ONLY applies to GOVERNMENT and it's permissions and limits and and NOT individuals, a free state without a standing army required it's citizens to be armed and proficient in the use of their arms, their maintenance and supply of arms and ammunition (well regulated).  The Government DOES NOT MAINTAIN the militia - it maintains itself OUTSIDE OF and INDEPENDENT OF the government, until calle dup for the defense of the state.  As such - the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.  Meaning, all your schemes and regulations are unConstitutional and illegal in conjunction with the thousands already on the books.

I do not believe in a "living Constitution" like you liberal marxist asshats do, and you just handed us just one more reason why being able to coexist peaceably with you meddlesome tyrants is coming to an end.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:14:26 pm
@Jazzhead
How does registration improve public safety?

DC has registration.  So does Chicago.  Also, Baltimore.

Has it made those cities safer?

It's told States where dangerous people who have Medical Marijuana cards are that have guns.  IOW, confiscation.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 09:15:06 pm
@Jazzhead
How does registration improve public safety?

DC has registration.  So does Chicago.  Also, Baltimore.

Has it made those cities safer?

I say we drop him off in the middle of Baltimore at 10 Friday night and see how he fares.  He gets a bottle of water and a body cam.  This could be a whole new reality show. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:17:31 pm
I say we drop him off in the middle of Baltimore at 10 Friday night and see how he fares.  He gets a bottle of water and a body cam.  This could be a whole new reality show.

Baltimore?  Maybe a cop friend can give him a lift in the back of a van?
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 09:17:31 pm
@RoosGirl @Jazzhead

The point of registration now is to make it easy to confiscate later. Anyone that supporters
registration now will support confiscation later. It is the old Marxist bait a switch.

That's paranoia, not reasoned argument. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 09:18:10 pm
I say we drop him off in the middle of Baltimore at 10 Friday night and see how he fares.  He gets a bottle of water and a body cam.  This could be a whole new reality show.

@RoosGirl
He will probably answer that it would make firearms used to commit crimes traceable.  Another fallacy since very few legally owned firearms are used in crimes, especially in those cities.  Even without the draconian laws they have there the firearms would be illegally possessed. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:18:28 pm
That's paranoia, not reasoned argument.

IOW, you can't refute it.  Calling insanity is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 09:18:53 pm
That's paranoia, not reasoned argument.

@Jazzhead
When history provides precedent after precedent then its not paranoia.

De Nile is more then just a river.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 09:19:54 pm
IOW, you can't refute it.  Calling insanity is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

@Cyber Liberty
You saw how he attacks the messenger and doesn't address the specific question.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:21:02 pm
@Jazzhead
When history provides precedent after precedent then its not paranoia.

De Nile is more then just a river.

Calling somebody "paranoid" has the added benefit of pigeon-holing somebody so he can ignore the argument they just used to defeat him.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 09:22:46 pm
I say we drop him off in the middle of Baltimore at 10 Friday night and see how he fares.  He gets a bottle of water and a body cam.  This could be a whole new reality show.

I'll drive.  Hell I'll even slow down to 30 mph while you and Cyber push him out of the van.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 09:23:21 pm
That's paranoia, not reasoned argument.

We don't care what you call it.

Registration is the first step towards short-order confiscation as we view and understand it.

We are not going to comply with any orders, legislation or commands to do so, and any attempts made to enforce such efforts will be met with deadly force and you will have bought yourself that war we are warning you is coming should your meddlesome advocacies actually come to pass.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 09:24:04 pm
I'll drive.  Hell I'll even slow down to 30 mph while you and Cyber push him out of the van.

@Wingnut
You're braver then me, I'd rather drive through Bhagdad at night then the southside of Chicago or Baltimore.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 09:31:35 pm
@Wingnut
You're braver then me, I'd rather drive through Bhagdad at night then the southside of Chicago or Baltimore.

I ain't skeered.  Guns are outlawed in those cities.   The Police will protect me. :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 09:32:10 pm
@Wingnut
You're braver then me, I'd rather drive through Bhagdad at night then the southside of Chicago or Baltimore.

WEST, West side of Chicago.

Daley and Emmanuel cleaned out a good chunk of the South side and shipped the Section 8 ghetto rats out to the suburbs and the Near West side from what relatives have to say.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: WingNot on February 28, 2018, 09:33:52 pm
My daddy was a cop on the east side of Chicago
Back in the U.S.A. back in the bad old days
In the heat of a summer night
In the land of the dollar bill
When the town of Chicago died
And they talk about it still....

WEST, West side of Chicago.

Daley and Emmanuel cleaned out a good chunk of the South side and shipped the Section 8 ghetto rats out to the suburbs and the Near West side from what relatives have to say.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 09:48:05 pm
@Cyber Liberty
You saw how he attacks the messenger and doesn't address the specific question.

Welcome to my world.  I've probably received over the years a thousand responses to my posts that consist of personal insults without any sort of substantive response.  Now you folks are fantasizing how you'd like to see me harmed.   *****rollingeyes*****

But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia.  The Constitution protects your right to defend yourself.   Registration of motor vehicles - for purposes of public safety - hasn't led to confiscation or infringement of the right to travel.   
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 09:51:41 pm
Welcome to my world.  I've probably received over the years a thousand responses to my posts that consist of personal insults without any sort of substantive response.   *****rollingeyes*****

But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia.  The Constitution protects your right to defend yourself.   Registration of motor vehicles - for purposes of public safety - hasn't led to confiscation or infringement of the right to travel.

Well, you find being bested in an argument to be a "personal insult," so I imagine your entire street is paved with them.  If you would stop ignoring losing arguments, like the straw man I highlighted in this post I'm quoting, you would probably be a basket case of tears over the insults that have been dealt you.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on February 28, 2018, 09:53:48 pm


But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia.  The Constitution protects your right to defend yourself.   Registration of motor vehicles - for purposes of public safety - hasn't led to confiscation or infringement of the right to travel.

The hell it hasn't.   For one thing is allows the State to tax you for your "right" to travel.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 10:28:54 pm
Now you folks are fantasizing how you'd like to see me harmed.

We haven't even begun to imagine or discuss the kinds of ways and methods of dealing with tyrants and their advocates who embark on imposing the tyranny they say is necessary for public safety.

But should meddlesome tyrants manage to attempt to do so, the creative and ingenious imaginations of the folks on this board should keep you up for nights on end.

But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia. 

Like I said, we don't care if you think it is.  Just be warned that we view it as the first step to confiscation and we are not going to comply with any registration demands.

When the agents of meddlesome tyranny come to impose such demands - well, you'll get to see that war we are warning you about.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 10:32:22 pm
Welcome to my world.  I've probably received over the years a thousand responses to my posts that consist of personal insults without any sort of substantive response.  Now you folks are fantasizing how you'd like to see me harmed.   *****rollingeyes*****

Naw. All I saw was folks offering to give you a ride to a safe town - Towns that MUST be safe, because their gun laws are (in)famously strict.
 There ain't ANY guns in Chicago. There can't be. It's against the law.  :nono:


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But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia.  The Constitution protects your right to defend yourself.   

Until the 'living document' decides another way, right?

No. History is repeated by fools. It is not paranoid to show that historically, EVERY_SINGLE_TIME weapons were registered, weapons were confiscated.

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Registration of motor vehicles - for purposes of public safety - hasn't led to confiscation or infringement of the right to travel.

It also hasn't lead to 'public safety'.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 10:43:19 pm
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I say own all the guns you want.  Just be responsible and register them.

Someone is letting their inner Marxist out.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 10:44:48 pm
Someone is letting their inner Marxist out.

It has me letting my inner anarchist out.  I will not comply. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 10:46:45 pm
It has me letting my inner anarchist out.  I will not comply.

I'm right there with you.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 10:48:43 pm
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But concluding that registration of firearms leads to confiscation IS paranoia.

Please point out one time in history where gun registration didn't lead to confiscation.

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on February 28, 2018, 11:07:37 pm
Please point out one time in history where gun registration didn't lead to confiscation.

Right here, right now, in the United States of America. 

Because of the Constitution's protection of the RKBA, the only history that's relevant as far as I'm concerned is U.S. history.  My understanding is that the following states and the District of Columbia currently require registration of some or all firearms:  D.C., Hawaii (all firearms)  New York (handguns only),  California and Maryland (new residents only) and California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey and New York (certain pre-ban assault rifles or 50 caliber rifles).   A couple of these states require licensure in addition to registration. 

As far as I can tell,  these states' registration regimes have not led to confiscation of guns lawfully registered (outside of situations where the gunowner was adjudicated unfit to own guns for reasons unrelated to violation of registration/licensure requirements).  Please provide examples to prove me wrong. 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 11:11:36 pm
Right here, right now, in the United States of America. 

IOW, @txradioguy, he can't come up with an example.   :silly: :silly: :silly:

@Jazzhead I don't think you're an idiot, but you sure as Hell think the rest of us on this forum are.  You insult everybody's intelligence with a dumbass statement like that.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods will stop selling assault-style rifles
Post by: austingirl on February 28, 2018, 11:12:04 pm
They're right, they will face criticism and lose sales. Great business plan/s.

But I bet their self-righteousness is off the charts.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Free Vulcan on February 28, 2018, 11:16:14 pm
Threads merged.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 11:22:34 pm
Is this true?

The actual Dicks branded stores did in 2012.

Their Field and Stream branded stores didn't until today.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 11:23:55 pm
IOW, @txradioguy, he can't come up with an example.   :silly: :silly: :silly:

@Jazzhead I don't think you're an idiot, but you sure as Hell think the rest of us on this forum are.  You insult everybody's intelligence with a dumbass statement like that.

@Cyber Liberty hence the reason I asked the question.

The only place he could find doesn't have gun registration...yet.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 11:26:01 pm
Right here, right now, in the United States of America. 


Except guns are NOT registered here. Even in cities with draconian laws, there is little compliance, as proven by the high crime on their streets.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 11:27:33 pm
yet.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 11:31:41 pm
Except guns are NOT registered here. Even in cities with draconian laws, there is little compliance, as proven by the high crime on their streets.

There will never be compliance.  Grandma, with her .38 two-inch in the nightstand drawer, isn't about to register her gun.  I've said this before, there are about 300 Million firearms in this country, and they'll be lucky if one Million ever get registered.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: driftdiver on February 28, 2018, 11:31:59 pm
New Jersey is in the process of passing laws which will require registration and allow for confiscation for any reason without due process.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: goodwithagun on February 28, 2018, 11:34:03 pm
I’m still waiting for @Jazzhead to explain why he’s not demanding Dicks sell guns. They’re a sporting goods store after all. If cake makers are required to make homosexual wedding cakes because their business is cakes, then logically Dicks should be required to sell guns.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 11:34:36 pm
New Jersey is in the process of passing laws which will require registration and allow for confiscation for any reason without due process.

They are also repealing their concealed carry laws too.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 11:34:48 pm
New Jersey is in the process of passing laws which will require registration and allow for confiscation for any reason without due process.

Going to be hard for them to do if people refuse to admit they have a gun.  Or many.  Go ahead, send  cops around to search homes to find out, see how that goes.  It will be a good lesson for the country.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2018, 11:35:57 pm
I’m still waiting for @Jazzhead to explain why he’s not demanding Dicks sell guns. They’re a sporting goods store after all. If cake makers are required to make homosexual wedding cakes because their business is cakes, then logically Dicks should be required to sell guns.

I've asked him, but no answer.  I think the little popcorn fart has me on ignore.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on February 28, 2018, 11:36:34 pm
I’m still waiting for @Jazzhead to explain why he’s not demanding Dicks sell guns. They’re a sporting goods store after all. If cake makers are required to make homosexual wedding cakes because their business is cakes, then logically Dicks should be required to sell guns.

Good point.  I mean to use his words and argument...they are a "public accommodation".
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 11:39:56 pm
the only history that's relevant as far as I'm concerned is U.S. history.

Right.  Because human nature, does not exist in the U.S.  Neither does the history of what human nature always achieves when people like you get their way.

You truly are an imbecile of the highest order.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 11:42:16 pm
New Jersey is in the process of passing laws which will require registration and allow for confiscation for any reason without due process.

Yet another reason why I will never be found east of Michigan and north of the Mason Dixon Line.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on February 28, 2018, 11:45:57 pm
There will never be compliance.  Grandma, with her .38 two-inch in the nightstand drawer, isn't about to register her gun.  I've said this before, there are about 300 Million firearms in this country, and they'll be lucky if one Million ever get registered.


Which is why this entire conversation is entirely pointless.., EXCEPT in that it points out in no uncertain terms, those who would take our rights away... Including that SOB in the Whitehouse.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on February 28, 2018, 11:58:33 pm
Yet another reason why I will never be found east of Michigan and north of the Mason Dixon Line.

I don't ever want to be North of the Ohio River.

Sadly I got family stuck behind enemy lines in the People's Republic of Illinois.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on March 01, 2018, 12:00:42 am
New Jersey is in the process of passing laws which will require registration and allow for confiscation for any reason without due process.

Yeah, then those bleep that voted the bigger bleep into office move to Florida.  Wash, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: roamer_1 on March 01, 2018, 12:05:06 am
I don't ever want to be North of the Ohio River.

Sadly I got family stuck behind enemy lines in the People's Republic of Illinois.

Yeah, me too. Did I ever tell you I was born in Chicago? I don't mind MN, WI, IL, IN, MI, especially the UP. Just stay a good half day away from the cities, which are wretched places.  But no further east than that.  Heck I probably won't go east of the hump, even, so it's all speculative. If I never get 100 miles from right here, ever again, it will be fine with me.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Jazzhead on March 01, 2018, 03:38:07 am
I’m still waiting for @Jazzhead to explain why he’s not demanding Dicks sell guns. They’re a sporting goods store after all. If cake makers are required to make homosexual wedding cakes because their business is cakes, then logically Dicks should be required to sell guns.

It does sell guns, and as far as I know they'll sell 'em for a gay shotgun wedding same as a straight one.   :seeya: 
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on March 01, 2018, 03:42:13 am
It does sell guns, and as far as I know they'll sell 'em for a gay shotgun wedding same as a straight one.   :seeya:

What?!  They sell guns but not "assault style rifles"?  That is totally unacceptable.  If they say they sell guns, they should sell ALL guns.  They can't just pick and choose who they want to do business with.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on March 01, 2018, 03:45:55 am
What?!  They sell guns but not "assault style rifles"?  That is totally unacceptable.  If they say they sell guns, they should sell ALL guns.  They can't just pick and choose who they want to do business with.

That's right.  They cannot arbitrarily discriminate and refuse to sell assault-style rifles if they are a store that advertises that they sell firearms to use Jazzy's logic.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: NavyCanDo on March 01, 2018, 04:18:36 am
Dicks could stop selling guns altogether as far as I'm concerned. The two stores I am aware of sale nothing but bolt action rifles, shotguns, and knives. There seems to be never anyone behind the counter, and if you do find someone to help you they know nothing.   If you are looking for bike shorts or a golf shirt, The're OK, but if you are looking for firearms or ammo go someplace else.

Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 01, 2018, 05:03:47 am
What?!  They sell guns but not "assault style rifles"?  That is totally unacceptable.  If they say they sell guns, they should sell ALL guns.  They can't just pick and choose who they want to do business with.

I'm bummed. I've been beating this drum the whole thread, but he only answered at #168.  I must be on Ignore gain....it's just as well...
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: RoosGirl on March 01, 2018, 05:30:45 am
I'm bummed. I've been beating this drum the whole thread, but he only answered at #168.  I must be on Ignore gain....it's just as well...

He won't answer me either.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 01, 2018, 05:42:17 am
He won't answer me either.

Last I heard nobody likes him, everybody hates him, and he's going to the garden and eat worms.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 01, 2018, 06:24:11 am
Even though Dick's advertises themselves as sellers of Sporting Goods and guns, they shouldn't be forced to sell things they find morally repugnant.  "How can one disagree with that?"
Precisely.


They are perfectly free to be Dick's. :shrug:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: INVAR on March 01, 2018, 06:34:07 am
I'm bummed. I've been beating this drum the whole thread, but he only answered at #168.  I must be on Ignore gain....it's just as well...
He's tooling with us.  He's just here to spout his Leftist claptrap and try to convince us all on this board that we are a bunch of selfish, extreme bigots who do not understand 'true' Conservatism because our closed minds will not allow his wisdom that he lectures to us ad nauseum to permeate and be accepted.  Even though he promotes the entire Leftist agenda from gays and guns to abortion and amnesty, and goes to great lengths to explain it all to us.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 01, 2018, 01:01:42 pm
He's tooling with us.  He's just here to spout his Leftist claptrap and try to convince us all on this board that we are a bunch of selfish, extreme bigots who do not understand 'true' Conservatism because our closed minds will not allow his wisdom that he lectures to us ad nauseum to permeate and be accepted.  Even though he promotes the entire Leftist agenda from gays and guns to abortion and amnesty, and goes to great lengths to explain it all to us.

He does love to lecture, doesn't he?  It's like having our own, personal Obama.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: edpc on March 03, 2018, 01:26:23 pm
Dick’s Sporting Goods, Kroger, Walmart, and now L.L. Bean are among the companies raising the minimum age to purchase a gun and or limiting what weapons they stock.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/consumers-buycotting-stores-like-dicks-aftermath-parkland-shooting-195019792.html#comments (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/consumers-buycotting-stores-like-dicks-aftermath-parkland-shooting-195019792.html#comments)

Kroger???
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: txradioguy on March 03, 2018, 01:57:27 pm
Dick’s Sporting Goods, Kroger, Walmart, and now L.L. Bean are among the companies raising the minimum age to purchase a gun and or limiting what weapons they stock.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/consumers-buycotting-stores-like-dicks-aftermath-parkland-shooting-195019792.html#comments (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/consumers-buycotting-stores-like-dicks-aftermath-parkland-shooting-195019792.html#comments)

Kroger???

That was my thought too. None of the Kroger's here sell firearms or ammo.
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: thackney on March 03, 2018, 02:03:33 pm
Kroger owns Fred Meyer.  Many of their stores are more like a Wal-Mart selling far more than food.  We used them when we lived in Alaska.

Kroger sells guns at 43 of its 133 Fred Meyer locations in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/business/kroger-firearms-fred-meyer.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/business/kroger-firearms-fred-meyer.html)
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 03, 2018, 04:29:04 pm
Kroger came under a lot of pressure a few years ago to stop letting their customers carry in their stores, they refused to cave in, and I'm grateful for that.  Out here Kroger's is "Fry's," and my wife carries all the time when she shops there.  Walmart is cool with carrying too.  Both stores are OK with concealed and open carry.

I had no idea Kroger has stores that sell rifles. :shrug:
Title: Re: Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to
Post by: mountaineer on March 03, 2018, 06:02:22 pm
Never went to a Fred Meyers until we visited Portland,  Oregon.  They have everything from groceries to furniture.  Never noticed whether that store also sold guns, though (unlikely in the socialist paradise of Portland).