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December 10, 2016
The reckoning: Who was the absolute worst pundit of the election?
By Thomas Lifson
Is it schadenfreude season yet? Surely, the epic failure of the pundit class deserves some commemoration. The just has to be a reckoning for people who sold opinions that were completely off-base, out of touch, and hilariously arrogant.
The controversy over Mitt Romney as a possible secretary of state for Donald Trump has boiled down to a few elements, perhaps the most prominent at the moment being the desire for an apology being expressed by a number of Trump loyalists. Bu what about the pundits? If they earn their living by providing expert analysis, haven’t they disgraced themselves?
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This may never be solved! Too many choices!
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Sean "Rex Kwan Doe" Hannity.
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A tie. Madam Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
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Sean "The Gimp" Hannity.
(http://i.imgur.com/AyCwnTz.jpg)
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George Will on the Right.
Howard Dean on the Left.
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This may never be solved! Too many choices!
Oh, I think it's got to be Hannity.
He acted like a teenaged girl angry at the other girls who didn't like her boyfriend.
His crush on Trump was scary...
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I have no particular interest in identifying the worst pundit of this election season. But I have no hesitation in pointing out the best - the redoubtable Peggy Noonan.
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Hannity, hands down.
Maybe Rachel "You're not dreaming" Maddow on the left. She just annoys me.
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I have no particular interest in identifying the worst pundit of this election season. But I have no hesitation in pointing out the best - the redoubtable Peggy Noonan.
My favorite is Jonah Goldberg.
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I'm going with Hannity as well.
The guy always nauseated me, as did his stupid shows - and this past year that discernment was not unfounded.
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My favorite is Jonah Goldberg.
Didn't Jonah get this entire election wrong?
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Didn't Jonah get this entire election wrong?
Maybe... I don't know? He never liked Trump but I don't recall him making any false predictions.
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A tie. Madam Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
I think the article writer meant pundits and not bandits. ;)
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That's what i was thinking. But from the right, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage are big contenders for the top prize. Then there is Ann Coulter who should get a sick category all her own.
I think Limbaugh deserves a place in that list. He wasn't the worst, but played it too cute by half.
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Sean "Rex Kwan Doe" Hannity.
...and he's still doing it. 22222frying pan
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I think the article writer meant pundits and not bandits. ;)
You're right, I lost my head. :beer:
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Easily Sean Hannity on the Right, Joy Behar on the Left.
Special recognition in this category goes to:
Ann Coulter
Don Lemon
Chris Hayes
Alex Jones
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Sean "Rex Kwan Doe" Hannity.
I second your nomination.
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I think Limbaugh deserves a place in that list. He wasn't the worst, but played it too cute by half.
@Sanguine
Hear, hear! I was once a listener, whenever I could find time during lunch. During this election cycle, I stopped and doubt I will go back.
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Sean Hannity was the worst
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@Sanguine
Hear, hear! I was once a listener, whenever I could find time during lunch. During this election cycle, I stopped and doubt I will go back.
I'll never go back.
His entire appeal was that he truly believed in conservatism....... that it was the answer to our nation's problems.
That is what I have always believed.
Now I know he doesn't believe a word of it. He stands for nothing.
I'll never listen again.
Ever.
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I'll never go back.
His entire appeal was that he truly believed in conservatism....... that it was the answer to our nation's problems.
That is what I have always believed.
Now I know he doesn't believe a word of it. He stands for nothing.
I'll never listen again.
Ever.
It wasn't exactly a secret that Thrush Limburger believed in the Republican Party above and beyond
even conservative thought. Hugh Hewitt was the same way long enough before now.
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It wasn't exactly a secret that Thrush Limburger believed in the Republican Party above and beyond
even conservative thought. Hugh Hewitt was the same way long enough before now.
I know I differ from some of you here, but I have believed that you could be a part of the Republican party and still an honest conservative, knowing that in your party were many who weren't in agreement with you. I have also recognized that the leaders of the party were weak and not conservative.
But the significant difference for me, is the victory of Trump within the party, and the way most Republicans embraced him, regardless of the fact that not a single thing about him was conservative, and that he completely disregarded and disavowed the Constitution with every word he said, meant that all ties with the party needed to be severed. It's been a gradual pulling away with me, but the cord was completely cut with Trump.
I thought that Limbaugh was more like me than he obviously is..... that he was a Conservative wanting to work within the party. That clearly is not true. His loyalty and love of Trump completely disavows any conservatism he once claimed to have.
His entire show was clearly an act, and I'm sorry I didn't see it before now.
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Mitt Romney.
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Hannity for the win, Coulter for second place, and Limbaugh gets honorable mention.
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My favorite is Jonah Goldberg.
He's definitely one of mine, as well. I also like Steve Deace, Shapiro, and John Podhoretz.
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Hannity for the win, Coulter for second place, and Limbaugh gets honorable mention.
Am I correct in assuming from your reply that in your opinion no pundit on the left deserves to be on the list?
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He's definitely one of mine, as well. I also like Steve Deace, Shapiro, and John Podhoretz.
:thumbsup:
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Am I correct in assuming from your reply that in your opinion no pundit on the left deserves to be on the list?
I generally don't watch them. I've tried watching the MSNBC ones... terrible.
Chris Hayes isn't too bad I guess.
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I generally don't watch them. I've tried watching the MSNBC ones... terrible.
Chris Hayes isn't too bad I guess.
And, we expect them to be bad and work for the bad guys.
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And, we expect them to be bad and work for the bad guys.
Exactly.
I can't think of a single pundit on the left who isn't awful.
What's changed this time is that we have a number of so-called conservative pundits have become as horrid as those on the left.
The Trump effect, I guess......
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Exactly.
I can't think of a single pundit on the left who isn't awful.
What's changed this time is that we have a number of so-called conservative pundits have become as horrid as those on the left.
The Trump effect, I guess......
At least
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Am I correct in assuming from your reply that in your opinion no pundit on the left deserves to be on the list?
@Right_in_Virginia
No, you're not.
I expect tacit understanding that all leftists belong on the list.
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Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Steve Deace.
Karl Rove, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt.
For those on the so-called Conservative side.
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Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Steve Deace.
Karl Rove, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt.
For those on the so-called Conservative side.
Ah, yes........... coming from a devoted, slavish follower of a hard core liberal without a conservative bone in his corrupt, degenerate body.
Figures....... **nononono*
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I expect tacit understanding that all leftists belong on the list.
Customarily, so do I. But you and I both know that not everyone has it, or acknowledges it.
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@Right_in_Virginia
No, you're not.
I expect tacit understanding that all leftists belong on the list.
Every MSM personality on tV is a leftist pundit, practically. Think about it. Whether in entertainment or "in the news".
Only a few that aren't.
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@Right_in_Virginia
No, you're not.
I expect tacit understanding that all leftists belong on the list.
Good news! :thumbsup2:
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December 10, 2016
The reckoning: Who was the absolute worst pundit of the election?
Sean Hannity, for all the bodily fluids he had to wipe from his cheek, lips, and face.
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My tolerance of Hannity is non-existent. But @Bigun is right. Too many candidates.
Bonus Challenge Question: Who is the best on the Left?
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My tolerance of Hannity is non-existent. But @Bigun is right. Too many candidates.
Bonus Challenge Question: Who is the best on the Left?
"Best"? Best in what way?
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My tolerance of Hannity is non-existent. But @Bigun is right. Too many candidates.
Bonus Challenge Question: Who is the best on the Left?
Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer at least showed a little journalistic integrity and questioned Trump about his lie about Rafael Cruz.
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Hard to narrow it down to the Top 100 in this day of the blog,where everyone with a computer can be and often is considered to be a pundit.
After all,when you boil the word down to the basics it means "someone with an opinion",and just like Michael Moore/assholes,everybody has one.
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Good news! :thumbsup2:
@Right_in_Virginia
It's news to you? Why?
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"Best"? Best in what way?
@Sanguine
@Lando Lincoln
For me, "having a semblance of sanity" or "least crazy in the rubber room" would suffice.
I was going to offer up Alisyn Camerota as a possibility, but I read that she thinks all women should wear a hijab for one day in solidarity with Muslim females.
I think I'll go with Anderson Cooper.
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"Best"? Best in what way?
I guess being grounded to some kind of reality and having the ability to critique on either side of the divide.
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@Sanguine
@Lando Lincoln
For me, "having a semblance of sanity" or "least crazy in the rubber room" would suffice.
I was going to offer up Alisyn Camerota as a possibility, but I read that she thinks all women should wear a hijab for one day in solidarity with Muslim females.
I think I'll go with Anderson Cooper.
Mighty slim pickings if you're going for "not crazy".
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I guess being grounded to some kind of reality and having the ability to critique on either side of the divide.
Which precludes their being on the left... :laugh:
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Mighty slim pickings if you're going for "not crazy".
@Sanguine
Can't deny that.
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Ah, yes........... coming from a devoted, slavish follower of a hard core liberal without a conservative bone in his corrupt, degenerate body.
Figures....... **nononono*
@musiclady
I understand the point @TomSea makes about Steve Deace. That guy insisted on sticking to his Christian principles throughout the primary and the general election, even AFTER Trump was nominated. He's a dirty traitor.
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@musiclady
I understand the point @TomSea makes about Steve Deace. That guy insisted on sticking to his Christian principles throughout the primary and the general election, even AFTER Trump was nominated. He's a dirty traitor.
Ditto Glenn Beck. The dirtiest!
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Ditto Glenn Beck. The dirtiest!
@Sanguine
I forgot about that un-American scum.
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@musiclady
I understand the point @TomSea makes about Steve Deace. That guy insisted on sticking to his Christian principles throughout the primary and the general election, even AFTER Trump was nominated. He's a dirty traitor.
A traitor........... and don't forget "sanctimonious."
Doncha know, people who actually believe in moral principles and don't sell out for a TV reality host are sanctimonious, self-righteous and arrogant?
I hear that all the time from the faithful. :smokin:
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@Sanguine
@Lando Lincoln
For me, "having a semblance of sanity" or "least crazy in the rubber room" would suffice.
I was going to offer up Alisyn Camerota as a possibility, but I read that she thinks all women should wear a hijab for one day in solidarity with Muslim females.
I think I'll go with Anderson Cooper.
@CatherineofAragon
Doesn't Cooper want to wear a hijab,too?
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@CatherineofAragon
Doesn't Cooper want to wear a hijab,too?
@sneakypete
:rolling:
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Lesbian dyke Christine Quinn of CNN is my worse pundit. Loud mouthed and vile. I have seen her twice put her hand over male commentators mouths to stop them talking and they just give a shit eating grin as most are afraid of her.
Lesbo dyke Sally Kohn is another
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Lesbian dyke Christine Quinn of CNN is my worse pundit. Loud mouthed and vile. I have seen her twice put her hand over male commentators mouths to stop them talking and they just give a shit eating grin as most are afraid of her.
Lesbo dyke Sally Kohn is another
@mirraflake
There is no creature on Earth more aggressive than a dyke lesbian. I had the misfortune to have an office job briefly at the AFB in Denver back in the 70's,and we had a particularly mouthy one working in that section. One day she decided she didn't like something I said and I told her I didn't give a rabid rat's ass if she liked it or not,so she threatened to kick my ass. Back then I could deadlift 430 lbs multipe times,and military press 220 multiple times. I was also more than a little aggressive myself,so I told her,"Tell ya what bitch,I'll let you have the first stroke for free. I'll stand right here and let you take your first shot without even trying to block you,but you need to make sure it's a good one,because if it doesn't knock me out I am going to take your bleeping head off. You want to think you are a man and demand equal treatment,and I'm prepared to do just that."
For some reason she suddenly turned a LOT less blustery. She was used to bullying the other men that worked there because they were afraid of losing their jobs if she filed a EEO complaint,and you KNOW she would. She suddenly turned as meek as a mouse and had nothing to say,but later that afternoon I was called into the supes office and asked about it because she HAD complained. I told him she threatened me with physical violence,and I only responded in kind in self-defense,and never heard another word about it. It probably helped that I didn't really give a damn if I lost the job or not because it didn't pay that much and I hated working in an office. In other words,they had nothing to threaten me with.
When my veterans preference 1 year temporary appointment ended they didn't offer to make the job permanent,though. I will thank them for this to my dying day.
She never tried to pull her bull dyke crap on me again. Don't remember her trying to pull it on anyone else,either. Someone stood up to her bullying and didn't get fired,so she lost all her power.
There was also a militant black woman working in the files section that was so stupid the supervisor wouldn't even let her work back in the files. He told her to just sit up front and answer the phone. She put in for a 1st tier supervisory position that included a office and more money,and because she was black and a female,she got it. She spent most of her day screwing around in her office and made her assistant do all the work. Since she didn't even know how to do the job,she damn sure couldn't supervise anyone else doing it,so he had no choice. He had put in for the job too and had been working there for 22 years,but they promoted her over him because she was a black female. He ended up doing the work and not getting the extra money or extra retirement income. He seemed to have no ambition at all. He had been a file clerk in the AF for 4 years,got out of the AF,and went to work for the AF as a civilian file clerk. In the mid-70's in Denver he had been doing that job for 22 years and was only making about 5 bucks a hour working one of the most mind-numbing jobs you can imagine.
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He seemed to have no ambition at all. He had been a file clerk in the AF for 4 years,got out of the AF,and went to work for the AF as a civilian file clerk. In the mid-70's in Denver he had been doing that job for 22 years and was only making about 5 bucks a hour working one of the most mind-numbing jobs you can imagine.
Well that cheers me up, I'm not the biggest loser! 888high58888
Someone should have taken that guy far away and give him a better-paying mind-numbing job
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I developed the habit of turning the sound off on my TV during the campaign. Interestingly enough, even when only watching the body language and facial expressions of the talking heads I still felt like I wanted to puke.
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Well that cheers me up, I'm not the biggest loser! 888high58888
Someone should have taken that guy far away and give him a better-paying mind-numbing job
@geronl
I can't remember what I did yesterday sometimes,but I remember his name was Chuck,and I can see him now when I close my eyes. He was a very quiet guy that was by nature a worker bee. A drone. You could give him pretty much any job you wanted to give him,and he would do it to the best of his ability and never bitch or make suggestions. He was never going to rock any boats anywhere he went. Mind-numbing jobs like file clerks need people like that. Everybody else working there was working there because they needed a job,but they were wanting and dreaming of bigger things. They took the job to get into the system,and once in the system they would pour over the monthly civil service job openings in Denver (LOTS of government offices in Denver) to see what was available that paid more and had the opportunity to advance. Some would use those job opening bulletins to take night school courses to prepare themselves for better jobs in the future. Not Chuck. Chuck had no imagination and very little ambition. I think that section leader job in the same department he worked in was probably the only time he raised his head up,and it was given to a AA hire and he was then transferred to work with her and do her job for the same money he had been earning before.
I have no doubt that unless he had a serious disease or injury of some sort that he died on the job working at the same pay grade he was working in during the 70's because there was only one pay grade in the system for that job. Even back in the mid to late 70's he was probably 20 years older than anyone else doing his job.
It's sad,but offices need people like Chuck. They are the grease that keeps the paper work flowing and keeps it stored where it is supposed to be in case it needs to be reviewed.
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@mirraflake
There is no creature on Earth more aggressive than a dyke lesbian.
100% agreement. One of my HS classmates is a bull dyke. She friended me on FB a few years back so i said what the heck. I did not know her that well.
The last year or so she would constantly bash conservatives so I started posting back. One post was about crime and black "oppression" and I posted a DOJ post showing 6% of males in this country-namely black commit something like 65% of crimes in the US and she went ballistic. Her reply ""YYOOURRR RAACCCIIST" and I told her facts are facts and is the DOJ racist for having the stats? What really ticked her off majority of the people agreed with me.
She was also a bully (typical lesbian) on FB if she did not agree with you she called you every "ism" in the book.... I blocked her sorry butt sometime this year
@sneakypete
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@geronl
It's sad,but offices need people like Chuck. They are the grease that keeps the paper work flowing and keeps it stored where it is supposed to be in case it needs to be reviewed.
My wife and I have employees just like Chuck..there every day, never late, never cause you any grief but just have no ambition. They are happy with their station in life and don't want any responsibility. Some have been there 12-15 years doing the same exact job.
@sneakypete
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George Will
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Sean "Rex Kwan Doe" Hannity.
I don't know...Bill O'Reilly begging Trump to come on his show...repeatedly...kinda makes it neck and neck between him and Hannity.
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It's sad,but offices need people like Chuck. They are the grease that keeps the paper work flowing and keeps it stored where it is supposed to be in case it needs to be reviewed.
I can imagine people like Chuck working in massive file libraries like a robot. Heck, I might use a character like that in a story.
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My wife and I have employees just like Chuck..there every day, never late, never cause you any grief but just have no ambition. They are happy with their station in life and don't want any responsibility. Some have been there 12-15 years doing the same exact job.
@sneakypete
@mirraflake
Yup,and no matter how much some people love slamming them,in the long run those are the people that keep systems running smoothly.
I have no doubt my own life would have been MUCH more peaceful and pleasant if I had been born with a personality like that,but grateful every day that I wasn't.
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Lesbian dyke Christine Quinn of CNN is my worse pundit. Loud mouthed and vile. I have seen her twice put her hand over male commentators mouths to stop them talking and they just give a shit eating grin as most are afraid of her.
Lesbo dyke Sally Kohn is another
Don't forget Mr. Maddow.
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On the Left, it seems to me Joe Trippi, Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell manage to maintain some objectivity.
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I can imagine people like Chuck working in massive file libraries like a robot. Heck, I might use a character like that in a story.
@geronl
I think that would be a good idea. It would even appeal to most people if you could find some way to make them heroic and/or noble. After all,most people are closer to being Chuck than they are to being a outlaw biker or a Navy SEAL.
Some (many?) people THINK they are like that themselves because they have been conditioned their whole life to "find a job and stick with it until retirement. Don't take any chances!"
Or at least I assume most people are told that. My parents just told me that once I graduated from high school I was on my own,and for some reason they seemed to assume I would be heading to prison. I was an "adventurous" child and curious about many things. Some of them involved weapons and explosives. I think I was maybe 10 when I made my own black powder bomb and cracked the sidewalk in front of our house testing it out. They had to pay the city for sidewalk repairs,and they were not amused. I was probably 8 when I made my first 22 caliber zip gun to go with the gravity knife I carried. I knew by the time I was in the 3rd grade that one day I would be a army paratrooper.
I know of one guy like that who was a clerk in a communications center in the army,and typically worked in an air-conditioned office. I knew him as a PFC on Okinawa assigned to the Signal Company. Not real sure what he did,but it was some sort of clerical stuff related to messages and messaging.
Anyhow,it just so happened that a couple of years later he was in a Top Secret signal compound in VN that was getting overran by the NVA during Tet of 68,and not having any real choice in the matter,he took up a rifle and went to war. At the end of the day he was put in for a DSC that was kicked back down to a Silver Star,and that pretty much ended his days as a mild-mannered clerk in a signal center. Wasn't long after that he was wearing a couple more stripes and carrying a concealed weapon everywhere he went,and he went a LOT of places as a classified courier and security agent (spook) for the army. Not exactly sure what he did,but the first time I ran into him after he did whatever it was,his whole demeanor had changed,and Senior SF NCO's were coming up to him and slapping him on the back and telling him it was good to see him. There ain't but one way to earn the serious respect of people like that,and it ain't by being a meek and mild-mannered clerk.
BTW,not only was this guy small,but he was also pretty thin,maybe 22 years old at the time,and his parents much have wanted him to get the snot beaten out of him daily because they named him "Stanley". I'm guessing once he picked that M-16 up and stepped forward,all that resentment came to the surface,and he just went medieval on a bunch of asses.
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On the Left, it seems to me Joe Trippi, Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell manage to maintain some objectivity.
Which makes you miss Murray Kempton, too, he was the same kind of objective (and a lot better
writer).
It is difficult for a man who has enjoyed both the taste of our beer and the flavour of our politics to
decide which has gone more sour in his lifetime.---Murray Kempton.
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@geronl
I think that would be a good idea. It would even appeal to most people if you could find some way to make them heroic and/or noble. After all,most people are closer to being Chuck than they are to being a outlaw biker or a Navy SEAL.
Some (many?) people THINK they are like that themselves because they have been conditioned their whole life to "find a job and stick with it until retirement. Don't take any chances!"
What if Stanley and Chuck were the same person, just from a different time-line. hhmmm... Somehow they meet and have to work together.
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What if Stanley and Chuck were the same person, just from a different time-line. hhmmm... Somehow they meet and have to work together.
@geronl
That could work well if you are clever/experienced enough to tie it together. It happens all the time in real life,and usually the "Chucks" of the world discover an inner warrior they didn't even know existed. I am GUESSING that is pretty much what happened to Stanley. He was put in a "root,hog,or die!" position against his will,so he just let his instincts take over. People discover all sorts of things about themselves when put into dangerous positions unprepared. Most of them usually shock themselves a little with how well they responded and the things they did without hesitation.
People tend to forget that in the "cosmic blink of an eye" time,we were all warriors just a short eye blink ago. Then,suddenly tribes needed farmers,store owners,cobblers,etc,etc,etc much more than they needed warriors,so becoming a warrior was a lot less desirable for young men as well as a lot less necessary. People who are predominately warriors by genetic dispositions tend to end up as criminals in societies with no wars. Until the next war starts and they are needed,anyway.
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On the Left, it seems to me Joe Trippi, Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell manage to maintain some objectivity.
@Lando Lincoln
I agree about Joe Trippi. Pat Caddell tend to be far too reasonable to be a Democrat. I wonder if habit keeps him in the party.
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@Lando Lincoln
I agree about Joe Trippi. Pat Caddell tend to be far too reasonable to be a Democrat. I wonder if habit keeps him in the party.
I've seen Caddell go on a rant or two about the media being totally irresponsible and absolutely shameful. What follows then is total crickets . . . and it makes me smile.
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I've seen Caddell go on a rant or two about the media being totally irresponsible and absolutely shameful. What follows then is total crickets . . . and it makes me smile.
@Hondo69
I think I've seen that, myself. He's pretty good when he gets up a head of steam, lol.