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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on June 04, 2019, 01:20:20 am
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Mexican government admits 80% of its populated territory is run by cartels, including key border areas
Daniel Horowitz · June 3, 2019
s of last year, the Taliban controlled or contested 46 percent of the districts in Afghanistan’s civil war. That was enough justification for us to keep our military perpetually engaged there in combat. What if you were told that 80 percent of Mexico’s territory is controlled by dangerous cartels, including all of the key smuggling routes at our border, and that the cartels are orchestrating all of the illegal immigration into our territory and bringing their members back and forth across our own border?
Several weeks ago, the Mexican investigative journal ContralÃnea posted a map of Mexico prepared by the government of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO), showing that 80 percent of the country’s 266 districts recently targeted for enforcement by the Mexican National Guard in a new counter-cartel operation are either controlled (57.5 percent) or disputed (23.3 percent) by the cartels. “Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,†reported ContralÃnea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.
As you can see, Mexico looks awfully similar to Afghanistan in terms of how much is controlled by insurgent groups. The map of Mexico shows the districts in red fully controlled by the cartels, the ones in yellow in dispute, and the ones in green in control of the Mexican government. They all represent priority enforcement areas for a new Mexican National Guard operation against the cartels proposed by the AMLO regime.
It’s important to note that according to Jaeson Jones, retired captain of Texas’ Department of Public Safety Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division, the priority areas color-coded on the map are mainly the areas where people live, and the ones left out are simply not a priority, not because the cartels don’t control most of those areas, but because there is little infrastructure or population in those areas.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/)
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This is the kicker about this:
Reps. Chip Roy, R-Texas, and Mark Green, R-Tenn., asked the president to designate the cartels as terrorists earlier this year. This move would open up new resources to target the cartels and to treat all of our border policies in a much different light than simply a domestic immigration problem. Yet the State Department continues to balk.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/)
Make no mistake these Cartels are terrorists
Warning, graphic and gruesome.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mexican+Cartel+beheadings&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK0dy32M7iAhUFOH0KHYdUBtsQ_AUIEigD&biw=1920&bih=813 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Mexican+Cartel+beheadings&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK0dy32M7iAhUFOH0KHYdUBtsQ_AUIEigD&biw=1920&bih=813)
If we acknowleged that the Cartel are terrorists then we would have to admit they are operating throughout cities in the United States.
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Spain, obviously not Rome, controlled the Aztec for 300 years
making Catholics of them and nothing else. Then they went home.
Mexico continues its third world tribal ways and always will as
they have neither the brains nor the incentive to change/improve.
When the drug cartels pass, they will be replaced by the next
posse of hustlers who will be embraced w/open arms by every
Mexican from El Presidente to four year old fruit pickers. Why?
Because it's what they do, all they know how to do and
obviously all they want to do !!!
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The head of the State Dept. is Pompeo ... appointed by Trump ... and a 'Tea Party' Republican and former director of the CIA. So why the hold up??
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The head of the State Dept. is Pompeo ... appointed by Trump ... and a 'Tea Party' Republican and former director of the CIA. So why the hold up??
That's the million dollar question. Yet they balk.
https://texasborderbusiness.com/cartels-to-be-promoted-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations/ (https://texasborderbusiness.com/cartels-to-be-promoted-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations/)
If POTUS Trump designates Mexican cartels as terrorist groups, will U.S. sanctuary cities be aiding and abetting ‘terrorism’?
Posted on March 15, 2019 by usafeaturesmedia in Crime, Current Events, Executive Branch, Foreign Policy, Illegal Immigration, Sanctuary Cities, Smuggling, terrorism, Trump Administration, White House // 2 Comments
https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/03/15/if-potus-trump-designates-mexican-cartels-as-terrorist-groups-will-u-s-sanctuary-cities-be-aiding-and-abetting-terrorism/ (https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/03/15/if-potus-trump-designates-mexican-cartels-as-terrorist-groups-will-u-s-sanctuary-cities-be-aiding-and-abetting-terrorism/)
https://www.invasionusa.news/2019-03-14-trump-may-designate-mexican-cartels-terrorist-organizations.html (https://www.invasionusa.news/2019-03-14-trump-may-designate-mexican-cartels-terrorist-organizations.html)
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2016:
Monday, 02 May 2016
Mexican Cartels Moving Terrorists Across Southern U.S. Border
Written by Clinton Alexander
According to Judicial Watch, for some time Mexican drug cartels have been helping Islamic terrorists now living in Mexico to cross the U.S. border in order to explore possible areas of attack in the United States. The wachdog group reports:
Among the jihadists that travel back and forth through the porous southern border is a Kuwaiti named Shaykh Mahmood Omar Khabir, an ISIS operative who lives in the Mexican state of Chihuahua not far from El Paso, Texas. Khabir trained hundreds of Al Qaeda fighters in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen and has lived in Mexico for more than a year, according to information provided by JW’s [Judicial Watch's] government source.
In a recent article, Khabir bragged to the Italian newspaper il Giornale, "The border that separates Mexico from the United States is so full of free zones that I could come in with a group of men in a few hours and kill thousands of people in Texas or Arizona."
Considering the full weight of the statements by Khabir and the recent findings by Judicial Watch, there has never been a more important time to secure the southern border of the United States.
According to il Giornale, the Mexican secretary of foreign affairs stated:
The Obama administration and the American media are guilty of neglecting the phenomenon. We cannot understand whether it is a strategy, but this new wave of fundamentalism could have some surprises for the United States.
In spite of Mexico’s large Catholic component, Khabir maintains that extremism has made large strides in the Mexican culture. Claiming thousands of converts over the last six to eight years, Khabir asserts that Muslim imams have had great recruiting success and have been welcomed in the Mexican society more so even than with the European culture.
According to the Judicial Watch report, “Now Khabir trains thousands of men — mostly Syrians and Yemenis — to fight in an ISIS base situated in the Mexico-U.S. border region near Ciudad Juárez.â€
If indeed the reports are accurate and Khabir is living near the U.S.-Mexico border, the prospect of a porous border combined with nearly nonexistent immigration standards should raise red flags not only in U.S.-Mexico border states, but across the country.
Even Politifact, a left-leaning political fact-checking group owned by the Tampa Bay Times, admitted the concern when in an April 2016 article, author Joshua Gillin noted,
There have been several reported incidents along the U.S.-Mexico border of several agencies encountering people on terrorism watch lists or with ties (or suspected ties) to terrorist groups. There also have been a number of people from countries associated with terror groups stopped by authorities, although that’s not an indication they’re terrorist infiltrators.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/23095-mexican-cartels-moving-terrorists-across-southern-u-s-border (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/23095-mexican-cartels-moving-terrorists-across-southern-u-s-border)
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So Mexico is for the most part essentially no longer a country, just a bunch of autonomous groups.
How does the US interface with such a collection of rabble?
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Must read. There were calls to designate them terrorists back in 2012
http://globalsecuritystudies.com/ODonnell%20Mexican%20Cartels.pdf (http://globalsecuritystudies.com/ODonnell%20Mexican%20Cartels.pdf)
That one brings tears to my eyes.
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Yet, at the same time, article after article will tell you Mexico's economy is booming and a lot of that is on the border.
Baja California, Mexico Is A BOOMING Economic And Cultural Success Story
2:39 PM 05/04/2018 |
Raoul Lowery-Contreras | Contributor
The culture shock I experienced when I left the nonprofit economy several decades ago for what many considered the “Big Time†for-profit economy just over the Mexican border was not as sobering as the culture shock I experienced when I returned to Mexico to look at business in today’s Mexico.
My experience was immeasurably positive.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/05/04/baja-california-mexico-booming-success/
It's pretty crazy, also, I wish I'd remembered where I read it but sometimes when one hears about the "Cartel wars", one article was saying that a lot of time, this is just neighborhood vs. neighborhood (colonias)... I think that article pointed out though, that in a sense, the big cartels (like Sinoloa Cartel etc.) are still involved, they hired youth gangs and that is who is doing the fighting.
Mexico's trouble is just entrenched in the system, anyone who has regularly gone to the border knows of the phenom called mordidas, simply the "bite", that is bribes... Police making up something you did, say speeding, and you pay them off and no more trouble.
Lots of trouble, problems, I'd say low wages, because the "Twin Plants" (one factory plant on our side, the other over there, also called "Maquiladors") are building US products over there, often as the article says Medical devices.
The Maquilador phenomenon as well, getting longwinded, but a lot of women, young ladies on up, have gotten jobs there, wages aren't high but they are pretty constant and in their society, it has given women more pull in society and there's been a bit of a rebellion against this by the males.... the women being breadwinners, more desirable type workers, that is a topic into itself. So, probably a good number of the males get involved in crime.
Unbelievably screwed up, FUBAR.
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Watch the Clint Eastwood film, "The Mule"
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So Mexico is for the most part essentially no longer a country, just a bunch of autonomous groups.
How does the US interface with such a collection of rabble?
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A reflection.
Our options are extermination/genocide or changing their behavior.
Since the first violates the Law of God and Man, we need Americans
to be committed to changing their behavior, which we do not have.
Not only are average people fractured over this but, sadly, the first
instinct of our crony capitalists is to measure the impact of any
economic action (tariffs) in terms of its effect on their bank accounts.
Lacking any unifying strategy, we will simply bumble along as the
situation continues to metastasize.
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Yet, at the same time, article after article will tell you Mexico's economy is booming and a lot of that is on the border.
It's pretty crazy, also, I wish I'd remembered where I read it but sometimes when one hears about the "Cartel wars", one article was saying that a lot of time, this is just neighborhood vs. neighborhood (colonias)... I think that article pointed out though, that in a sense, the big cartels (like Sinoloa Cartel etc.) are still involved, they hired youth gangs and that is who is doing the fighting.
Mexico's trouble is just entrenched in the system, anyone who has regularly gone to the border knows of the phenom called mordidas, simply the "bite", that is bribes... Police making up something you did, say speeding, and you pay them off and no more trouble.
Lots of trouble, problems, I'd say low wages, because the "Twin Plants" (one factory plant on our side, the other over there, also called "Maquiladors") are building US products over there, often as the article says Medical devices.
The Maquilador phenomenon as well, getting longwinded, but a lot of women, young ladies on up, have gotten jobs there, wages aren't high but they are pretty constant and in their society, it has given women more pull in society and there's been a bit of a rebellion against this by the males.... the women being breadwinners, more desirable type workers, that is a topic into itself. So, probably a good number of the males get involved in crime.
Unbelievably screwed up, FUBAR.
Oh, very good. You are just as good as the politicians that have been trying to minimize this since the early 2000"s. A small section of the PDF that I posted:
"Killings, kidnappings, and other violence has dramatically increased in Monterrey, Nuevo León, Mexico’s third largest city and an industrial hub that lies 135 miles from the United States (slightly longer in distance than Long Island, New York from point to point or a 2 hour drive). Following a spate of kidnappings, the murder of a mayor in a wealthy suburb, and a grenade exploding in front of the offices of broadcast channel Televisa in Monterrey, in August 2010 business and civic leaders from the area published an open letter to President Calderón urging him to send three army battalions and a battalion of marines to combat the drug traffickers...also two bodyguards were killed in a shoot-out in front of an elite school where American expatriates and wealthy Mexicans send their children. The U.S. State Department has granted danger pay to the staff of the five border consulates and the consulate in Monterrey. In addition, the State Department evacuated all employee minor dependents in Monterrey beginning in September 2010. As a result, other Americans living in Monterrey are leaving and some businesses are allowing their employees to send their families back to the United States. Armed DTO road blocks and informal curfews are changing the way of life in what had been one of Mexico’s safest and most modern cities" (Beittel 2011).
http://globalsecuritystudies.com/ODonnell%20Mexican%20Cartels.pdf (http://globalsecuritystudies.com/ODonnell%20Mexican%20Cartels.pdf)
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A reflection.
Our options are extermination/genocide or changing their behavior.
Since the first violates the Law of God and Man, we need Americans
to be committed to changing their behavior, which we do not have.
Not only are average people fractured over this but, sadly, the first
instinct of our crony capitalists is to measure the impact of any
economic action (tariffs) in terms of its effect on their bank accounts.
Lacking any unifying strategy, we will simply bumble along as the
situation continues to metastasize.
I suppose if you think tariffs are the only answer. If we designate the drug cartel terrorist it opens the door to military.
Coyotes and military training.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/100518 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/100518)
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Good article and good followup insight @Chosen Daughter
Just burns me up that the border is freaking wide open and nobody in Washington does a dang thing about it.
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Then perhaps Trump should be putting tariffs on the illegal drugs, weapons, terrorists, and sex slaves he lets through the border.
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Good article and good followup insight @Chosen Daughter
Just burns me up that the border is freaking wide open and nobody in Washington does a dang thing about it.
I know, right? Like I said it brought tears to my eyes that they have known this stuff for so long and they still can't even give a crap. There is only one `1 America. There is no other place on earth like it. People come here because it is good. But it is turning to shit right before our eyes. Soon we will be the same as they are. Political assassinations to protect the drugs and human trafficking. One politician after another mired in drug corruption. And there will be no place on earth to escape violence, terrorism and drug money. We are nearly there. And they sit with their asses on their hands hoping Americans won't figure it out.
And there is hardly a day that goes by you don't hear someone talking about how drugs have affected their families, friends, neighbors or neighborhoods and communities. We can't even go to the river. You might get stuck with a hypodermic needle hiding in the sand.
Its not a pretty picture for our future. It can only increase. That is what untreated cancer does. Grows metastasizes until it completely takes over.
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I suppose if you think tariffs are the only answer. If we designate the drug cartel terrorist it opens the door to military.
Coyotes and military training.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/100518 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/100518)
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I think Tariffs are a vehicle to get the attention of China and Mexico, not a behavior changer.
If we can employ the military effectively I support this yet our track record gives me pause.
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I think Tariffs are a vehicle to get the attention of China and Mexico, not a behavior changer.
If we can employ the military effectively I support this yet our track record gives me pause.
If 80% of the Mexico is controlled by drug Cartel I have a hard time believing we are going to get any help from them without military action. 80% is past due time to consider the Mexican government out of control of their own security. I think it is time for our governments to negotiate military action against drug cartel. If they don't want to act we have to. We have to protect our country. These drug Cartel are joining ranks with terrorists from the ME that are bragging they can come right in and kill thousands of Americans. People don't like to but if they looked at the images of the beheadings and dismemberments drug Cartel are doing. Looked at the number of people they are killing in the most torturous and brutal ways they would realize this is ISIS style killings. We just can't pretend it isn't a problem anymore. As I posted in the last article the Las Zitas (spelling?) coyotes are military trained and armed. Some of them former Mexican military that were even trained in the US. Our citizens are in danger. Troops should be armed and ready at the border. This is a long drawn out invasion. We have just sat by and watched.
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This sounds bad on the face of it,but it's actually good news that Mexico is now recognizing it is happening. You can't do anything to resolve any problems as long as you continue to refuse you have problems.
This is the VERY necessary first step,and you have no hope without it.
Of course,the real secret to success here it to keep a VEWWY,VEWWY close eye on those who are put in charge of resolving the problems. Too often they are apparatchiks of the failing police state government that are put in those positions to make sure no effective changes are made.
NOBODY gladly gives up power.
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So Mexico is for the most part essentially no longer a country, just a bunch of autonomous groups.
How does the US interface with such a collection of rabble?
@IsailedawayfromFR
Have you not been paying ANY attention the news and what they support that is proposed by the DNC?
Although "interface" with them is scarily close to the truth. The left/DNC wants us to BECOME them. It's their route to overthrowing the Constitution by declaration of Martial Law "for the duration of the emergency".
Guess who are the only ones with the authority to declare an emergency has ended.
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This sounds bad on the face of it,but it's actually good news that Mexico is now recognizing it is happening. You can't do anything to resolve any problems as long as you continue to refuse you have problems.
This is the VERY necessary first step,and you have no hope without it.
Of course,the real secret to success here it to keep a VEWWY,VEWWY close eye on those who are put in charge of resolving the problems. Too often they are apparatchiks of the failing police state government that are put in those positions to make sure no effective changes are made.
NOBODY gladly gives up power.
Sneakypete they have know for a long time. If you read the articles I posted it isn't the first time that our government has been asked by elected officials to designate Cartel as terrorists. We need our CIC to do what a Commander should do. Command the military. And perhaps if we declare a war on the terrorists that have taken over Mexico, our border and even well within our border and major cities we could stop the mass migration. I think we could stop Assylum until the time we can determine it is safe for us. Donald Trump needs to designate these Cartels what they are Terrorists. We have a war. A fight for the life of this country. We can't afford another year waiting to do nothing. Not 6,4,2 or `1 month. It needs action 15 years past. Action should have been years ago. Now it is a military emergency to protect our country.
I have children. I don't see a future if this country falls to the same fate of our neighbor.
If the Taliban were orchestrating a flow of mass migration across parts of Afghani-controlled territory, strategically shutting down our security, and profiting from it, we would instantly take military action. When Mexican cartels are placing our own country in mortal danger, why is that not reason enough to treat this is a military threat instead of an immigration issue?
What is amazing is that Border Patrol and the National Guard are ordered not to engage the cartels and armed smugglers at all and cannot nab any of them even a few feet over our border for concern of violating Mexico’s sovereignty. We won’t even fight back when they detain and disarm our regular military units on our own side of the river. Yet, we now see that the Mexican government itself admits it has no sovereignty over that area. Why should we allow our sovereignty to be trampled by cartel figures going back and forth with impunity when fighting them won’t even violate Mexican sovereignty and will actually help it?
Our government is fully aware of this dynamic. This map of control was sent out by a federal agency to Border Patrol in a daily intelligence briefing on May 9. CR has obtained a copy of this briefing from a Border Patrol agent who must remain anonymous because he is not authorized to speak to the press. Why the relevant government agencies refuse to recognize the border as an insurgency conflict rather than simply an immigration issue remains a mystery.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/)
Must remain anonymous. American citizens are not supposed to know. If everyone did know the extent of the problem perhaps something would be done.
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American citizens are not supposed to know. If everyone did know the extent of the problem perhaps something would be done.
@Chosen Daughter
Your first job is to figure out a way to make them care. Most people like fat and happy,and don't want to hear negative vibes,bay-bay! If they don't see something as an immediate danger to THEM PERSONALLY,they just don't give a damn.
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The reason that nothing serious is being done, to address the seriousness of the problem, is that too many people are making too much $$$$.
In their view, the US citizens will just have to deal with this.
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The reason that nothing serious is being done, to address the seriousness of the problem, is that too many people are making too much $$$$.
In their view, the US citizens will just have to deal with this.
@EdJames
Yup,and let's not kid ourselves,they ain't all government officials on Mexico's side of the border.
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@EdJames
Yup,and let's not kid ourselves,they ain't all government officials on Mexico's side of the border.
That's right, and they all ain't government officials.
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Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico, just a matter of when.
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Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico, just a matter of when.
And, then what do we do with it? You think Afghanistan is ungovernable, wait till you see Mexico!
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And, then what do we do with it? You think Afghanistan is ungovernable, wait till you see Mexico!
I agree. Keep in mind that the invasion from different countries is hitting Mexico as well, and Mexico is letting them pass through the U.S. Exactly what do we do with all of the undesirables?
The ONLY solution is to build the dang wall (which is never going to get done now), turn them around at the border declaring a NO MIGRATION TO THE U.S. POLICY and make that policy known world wide! Also announce, that in 30 days the U.S. military will line our borders and FIRE UPON those trying to enter illegally; anyone coming across illegally will be seen as an enemy of the U.S. It wouldn't take long for the invasion to stop. Then, start emptying out our jails and prison of illegals and start sending them back. Next step, start massive deportation. We can't afford to support them.
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Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico, just a matter of when.
@dfwgator
We haven't invaded and occupied a nation successfully since WWII. Germany, Japan.
Since then we have employed half-measures, too weak tto work. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II.
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Been saying it for years, eventually the US will have to invade and occupy Mexico, just a matter of when.
To what end? We'll lose... since the radical left won't allow us to win another war....
probably ever again.
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To what end? We'll lose... since the radical left won't allow us to win another war....
probably ever again.
Only Congress can declare war, and since all these ILLEGALS represent eventual DEM votes, it's never going to happen. Bammy's plan for transformation of this country continues. Within 5 years, and I believe that time frame is generous, we won't recognize this country. She won't be the same. "AMERICA", what will we do without her?
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Only Congress can declare war, and since all these ILLEGALS represent eventual DEM votes, it's never going to happen. Bammy's plan for transformation of this country continues. Within 5 years, and I believe that time frame is generous, we won't recognize this country. She won't be the same. "AMERICA", what will we do without her?
If the radical left succeeds in fundamentally transforming America into AmeriKa.... I doubt that we will still be around to worry about it.
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If 80% of the Mexico is controlled by drug Cartel I have a hard time believing we are going to get any help from them without military action. 80% is past due time to consider the Mexican government out of control of their own security. I think it is time for our governments to negotiate military action against drug cartel. If they don't want to act we have to. We have to protect our country. These drug Cartel are joining ranks with terrorists from the ME that are bragging they can come right in and kill thousands of Americans. People don't like to but if they looked at the images of the beheadings and dismemberments drug Cartel are doing. Looked at the number of people they are killing in the most torturous and brutal ways they would realize this is ISIS style killings. We just can't pretend it isn't a problem anymore. As I posted in the last article the Las Zitas (spelling?) coyotes are military trained and armed. Some of them former Mexican military that were even trained in the US. Our citizens are in danger. Troops should be armed and ready at the border. This is a long drawn out invasion. We have just sat by and watched.
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Chosen, your thoughtful comments reminded me of 100 years ago.
In 1916, a Mexican piece of trash called Pancho Villa attacked Columbus, NM;
killing some 2 dozen Americans.
Woodrow Wilson, although a lefty, ordered John Pershing to Mexico to capture/kill
Villa who, sadly, was never found; although some 1000 guerrillas were killed.
Back then our nation was united by outrage but today we certainly are not.
The danger here is that our military will be left holding the bag by our political trash.
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If the radical left succeeds in fundamentally transforming America into AmeriKa.... I doubt that we will still be around to worry about it.
...well...the radical left is succeeding. When the government of a country doesn't protect its borders, something is terribly wrong. When a political party goes on a witch hunt of a President for nearly two years and nothing of significance is found, yet, is still bent on impeachment, something is terribly wrong. When the majority of our millennial is in favor of socialism, something is terribly wrong. When infanticide and same sex marriage is acceptable, something is terribly wrong. When we accept that a judge mandates high school girls to shower with high school boys, something is deeply wrong. When we have cities that now have a call to Islamic worship in a mosque rather than ringing Christian church bells, something is terribly wrong. When a political party refuses to accept a duly elected president by the people and then wants to change the electoral process as defined in our Constitution, then something is deeply wrong.
I could go on, but you get my point. The transformation continues as the sovereignty of our nation disappears.
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Mexican government admits 80% of its populated territory is run by cartels, including key border areas
Daniel Horowitz · June 3, 2019
I think the bigger news item is that they admitted losing national sovereignty to an internal criminal element.
Like another member brought up..... If it is that pervasive, only a military solution is possible.
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I think the bigger news item is that they admitted losing national sovereignty to an internal criminal element.
Like another member brought up..... If it is that pervasive, only a military solution is possible.
Unfortunately.
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I'm not sure of the significance of the article and map and looked at the original article,
They may be saying something like if an article read that the Mafia controls Chicago, the Crips and Bloods control LA, things like that. Not actual sole control over the cities at that. Not actual control of all that that municipality is, the mayor, the city transit and stuff like that.
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I'm not sure of the significance of the article and map and looked at the original article,
They may be saying something like if an article read that the Mafia controls Chicago, the Crips and Bloods control LA, things like that. Not actual sole control over the cities at that. Not actual control of all that that municipality is, the mayor, the city transit and stuff like that.
Wrong. The Cartel does control the government. If they don't want someone in they just assassinate them.
This:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html)
Read this:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/)
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The most dangerous enemy the United States faces in the world today (regarding our national security) is Mexico.
I've been saying it for years, but the only way we're ever going to get that sh**hole cleaned out is to invade it militarily and overthrow the government, and take control ourselves.
The costs of doing that (of course) would be enormous.
But the cost of NOT doing it... well... that's going "to cost us" our country.
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The most dangerous enemy the United States faces in the world today (regarding our national security) is Mexico.
I've been saying it for years, but the only way we're ever going to get that sh**hole cleaned out is to invade it militarily and overthrow the government, and take control ourselves.
The costs of doing that (of course) would be enormous.
But the cost of NOT doing it... well... that's going "to cost us" our country.
I don't doubt what you are saying. Right now I think the move woud be to designate Cartels terrorists. Stop all immigration from the southern border and declare a travel ban to Mexico. That would put an econonomic hurt on them. Also stop the money transfers. Post our military on the border and give them authority to shoot if needed to protect our border.
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Here is the current travel advisories for Mexico. More than one state is already at a level 4. All of them are increased violence.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/mexico-travel-advisory.html
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Chosen, your thoughtful comments reminded me of 100 years ago.
In 1916, a Mexican piece of trash called Pancho Villa attacked Columbus, NM;
killing some 2 dozen Americans.
Woodrow Wilson, although a lefty, ordered John Pershing to Mexico to capture/kill
Villa who, sadly, was never found; although some 1000 guerrillas were killed.
Back then our nation was united by outrage but today we certainly are not.
The danger here is that our military will be left holding the bag by our political trash.
True. United we stand. Divided we fall. We certainly are not united on saving this country. Today Congress erupted in shouts of yes we can. What were they we canning about? Amnesty.
And no doubt that these people are living in Cartel and gang hell. We can't help them. They have to help themselves. All we are doing is importing their problems here. Soon there will be no escape for anyone including us.
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Wrong. The Cartel does control the government. If they don't want someone in they just assassinate them.
This:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/americas/mexico-political-deaths-election-season-trnd/index.html)
Read this:
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/ (https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/in-state-of-coahuila-los-zetas-in-control/)
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Why are they fighting Federal Troops if they are in control of the government? Simple question? Have a simple answer? They control the government after all?
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It's more like if they controlled the government, there would be no reason to assassinate government officials which happens pretty frequently so no.
Michoacán: Municipal President of Nahuatzen Assassinated
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/04/michoacan-municipal-president-of.html (http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/04/michoacan-municipal-president-of.html)
They've killed sitting mayors so that rules out your "let someone in". Those officials are already there.
Zetas in control. It says that about Coahuila, that's one state out of 27 or so. So, that is not a foolproof theorem.
If the Cartels were fully in control of the government, why the confrontations with Mexican troops? That's the government.
Nobody denies corruption in Govt. but that's not the total picture. That kind of corruption has existed at least to the 1980s with Reagan pressuring Mex Prez. de la Madrid over the death of DEA agent Kiki Camarena from the Sinaloa cartel and Caro Quintero. What you are speaking of is buying off the government, that's been there always.
It's the same old corruption story but "buying off" does not really mean "control of the government", it can be the same as protection, as corrupt police and police departments that we even have here in the states or have had.
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Coahuila, 2011:
Missing Mexican mayor found slain
The missing mayor of a town in the northern Mexican state of Coahuila was found murdered Friday alongside a road in the neighboring state of Nuevo Leon, authorities in that jurisdiction told Efe.
Zaragoza Mayor Saul Vara Ribera had been missing since Wednesday.
His death brings to 14 the number of mayors slain in Mexico since Jan. 1, 2010.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/01/missing-mexican-mayor-found-slain.html (http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/01/missing-mexican-mayor-found-slain.html)
They kill sitting mayors for any number of reasons, I'd think one could say the mayors are doing their job, enforcing the law, they aren't smuggling drugs or human beings like they could be, they kill mayors.
I know too, in Juarez some years ago, last 15, they beheaded some police officers, left them outside the police station in coolers,
This sounds like intimidation of the government but it doesn't sound like "control the government", they intimidate, buy off, do whatever they can. But control? I guess by influence.
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Turf wars, Zetas broke off from the Gulf Cartel and now, have Coahuila as their turf, not much different than gangs in some of our cities fighting turf wars for control of the area to sell drugs.
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Once the World’s Most Dangerous City, JuaÌrez Returns to Life
By Sam QuinonesPhotographs by Dominic Bracco II
This story appears in the June 2016 issue of National Geographic magazine.
As night falls over San Antonio, a shantytown turned neighborhood with concrete-block houses, rugged streets, and few trees, children head excitedly to a warehouse stacked with tires. There the din of Ciudad Juárez recedes, replaced by grunts, slaps, and thuds—bam!—of supple young bodies slamming onto canvas.
The makeshift wrestling ring, fashioned from iron and cable scavenged from junkyards, belongs to Inés Montenegro, who opened it two years ago after one of his sons suggested the neighborhood’s children needed somewhere to play. In Mexico lucha libre, a style of pro wrestling with masked fighters performing scripted acrobatic moves, is a national obsession. Montenegro’s funky arena was an instant hit.
Tonight four boys ages 11 to 15—Omar, Alfonso, Eric, and Antonio—hurtle against the ropes, which slingshot them into the center of the ring. They bound gleefully, learning the choreography for such classic moves as the “tiger jump,†vaulting melodramatically into the ring, and the “scissors,†jumping from the ropes to wrap your legs around your opponent’s neck.
Read more at: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/06/juarez-mexico-border-city-drug-cartels-murder-revival/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/06/juarez-mexico-border-city-drug-cartels-murder-revival/)
If the Cartels control the government, why'd the city of Juarez hire a problem fixer for their high crime rate? The Cartels hired the guy? I don't think so.
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What does the article say?
“Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,†reported ContralÃnea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-government-admits-80-populated-territory-run-cartels-including-key-border-areas/)
So, if the government is controlled by the cartels, why say something like " “Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,†reported ContralÃnea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.", see, here is says the authorities control it meaning the government.
I don't think anywhere does the article or other articles added on actually say the Cartels control the Government, sure, they bribe them, they will intimidate them and say they'll kill them if they don't give in to letting them operate outside the law and do what they want. I don't think that equates to controlling the government in a conventional sense.
I guess, if I speed through Mexicali and the police stop me, tell me they'll take my license plates unless I pay them (a bribe), I pay them, I am in a sense controlling the government.
Article:
As you can see, Mexico looks awfully similar to Afghanistan in terms of how much is controlled by insurgent groups. The map of Mexico shows the districts in red fully controlled by the cartels, the ones in yellow in dispute, and the ones in green in control of the Mexican government.
Yep!
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What does the article say?
So, if the government is controlled by the cartels, why say something like " “Only 53 (19.92 percent) enjoy a low level of violence, which means that control is exercised by the authorities,†reported ContralÃnea on May 4, citing the data on the color-coded map.", see, here is says the authorities control it meaning the government.
I don't think anywhere does the article or other articles added on actually say the Cartels control the Government, sure, they bribe them, they will intimidate them and say they'll kill them if they don't give in to letting them operate outside the law and do what they want. I don't think that equates to controlling the government in a conventional sense.
I guess, if I speed through Mexicali and the police stop me, tell me they'll take my license plates unless I pay them (a bribe), I pay them, I am in a sense controlling the government.
Article:
Yep!
Yep, you just posted it yourself. The map 80% controlled by the Cartels. You finally wrapped it up with what I posted. The truth. 80% is a government not in control.
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Turf wars, Zetas broke off from the Gulf Cartel and now, have Coahuila as their turf, not much different than gangs in some of our cities fighting turf wars for control of the area to sell drugs.
Oh, I wouldn't be one to sing praises of gangs would you? Its as if you are saying no big deal. MS-13. We don't want any of it. None of it. Do you?
But it is different. So far you don't see gangs assassinating politicians. They aren't an international move of drugs and human trafficking. They aren't leaving severed heads in wheelbarrows.
And the Cartel are fueling gangs, drugs and turf wars in our cities. It won't be long and when our elections come up Cartels will be assassinating politicians they don't want in control here too.
https://www.policemag.com/374296/mexican-cartels-have-infiltrated-your-city (https://www.policemag.com/374296/mexican-cartels-have-infiltrated-your-city)
GRAPHIC — Terrorist-Led Mexican Cartel Dumps Human Head near Texas Border
CIUDAD ACUNA, Coahuila – Gunmen working for a terrorist-led organization known as Cartel Del Noreste/Los Zetas used a severed human head to help deliver a message to local residents. The show of force comes at a time when government officials claim the region is safe.
Over the weekend, Cartel Del Noreste gunmen left the head of an unidentified man next to a poster board, threatening those who worked with the police unit Fuerza Coahuila or other authorities would meet a similar fate. The message was signed with the letters “C.D.N.†The gruesome crime scene was discovered in the industrial area of Ciudad Acuna, behind a heavy machinery manufacturing plant. Ciudad Acuna is immediately south of Del Rio, Texas.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/04/08/graphic-terrorist-led-mexican-cartel-dumps-human-head-near-texas-border/ (https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/04/08/graphic-terrorist-led-mexican-cartel-dumps-human-head-near-texas-border/)
More severed heads
Severed head leads to discovery of two bodies in Arlington
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/arlington/article171342477.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/arlington/article171342477.html)
Gangs shoot people. Terrorists sever heads. I could find more stories of severed heads. This has been happening in Mexico for years. It is the way they gain control. Fear. They leave messages with the heads. Now its happening here.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=cartel+beheadings+in+the+us&qs=HS&pq=cartel+beheading&sc=1-16&cvid=363CF93F9210404A940189475CCCF8FA&FORM=QBRE&sp=1 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=cartel+beheadings+in+the+us&qs=HS&pq=cartel+beheading&sc=1-16&cvid=363CF93F9210404A940189475CCCF8FA&FORM=QBRE&sp=1)
Don't downplay the threat of these Cartel organization. They aren't in control of 80% of Mexico because they are having turf wars. They are assassinating their way to total control of Mexican government.
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Again, if the Cartels control the government, why would they be fighting Federal Troops as in the video, all the same.
This confirms some of what you said, reading:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8RMHvEX4Ac1wyV.jpg)
554 Municipalities under control of the Narcotrafickers...
Transnational Criminal Organizations control governments and municipalities with 1,000,000 workers and 600 thousand annual salaries (or something like that).
And so on.
Still, I think it's pretty dicey to outright say they control the government, they obviously fight against the Federal Troops, that is the government.
At the bottom is a quote:
"Not only more violence, but more penetration and corruption in all levels of the government"
https://twitter.com/contralinea
"Plata o Plomo", "Lead or Silver"....
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Again, if the Cartels control the government, why would they be fighting Federal Troops as in the video, all the same.
This confirms some of what you said, reading:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8RMHvEX4Ac1wyV.jpg)
554 Municipalities under control of the Narcotrafickers...
Transnational Criminal Organizations control governments and municipalities with 1,000,000 workers and 600 thousand annual salaries (or something like that).
And so on.
Still, I think it's pretty dicey to outright say they control the government, they obviously fight against the Federal Troops, that is the government.
At the bottom is a quote:
"Not only more violence, but more penetration and corruption in all levels of the government"
https://twitter.com/contralinea (https://twitter.com/contralinea)
"Plata o Plomo", "Lead or Silver"....
And again the map showed there are still area's that the government is in control of. But the majority of states have been infiltrated by the Cartel. This is back in 2012 :
Friday, 16 March 2012
Report: Cartel Infiltration of Mexican Government Widespread
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10675-report-cartel-infiltration-of-mexican-government-widespread (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10675-report-cartel-infiltration-of-mexican-government-widespread)
During the last elections there were something like 130 political candidates assassinated by the Cartel. I am not sure what you call in control?
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Many sitting politicians have been killed as well. The military, they are corrupted but not as bad as the rest of the system, fight cartels, they are the government obviously, that's my only point.
Mexico enshrines army's role in drug war with divisive law
[Reuters]
By Lizbeth Diaz
,Reuters•December 15, 2017
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Known as the Law of Internal Security, the bill establishes rules for the military's role in battling drug gangs, a conflict that has claimed well over 100,000 lives in the last decade.
The military has been mired in several human rights scandals, including extra-judicial killings of suspected gang members and the 2014 disappearance of 43 students near an army base.
Supporters of the legislation say it will set out clear rules that limit the use of soldiers to fight crime.
Read more at: https://news.yahoo.com/mexicos-senate-passes-divisive-security-law-paving-way-125501266.html (https://news.yahoo.com/mexicos-senate-passes-divisive-security-law-paving-way-125501266.html)
A young mayor and her husband were shot dead in Veracruz, another mayor murdered in Michoacan
Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat From ElPeriodico and Clarin
Two Mayors killed, one in Veracruz and one in Michoacan. 100 mayors have been killed in Mexico since 2006. Veracruz mayor offered 30,000 pesos not to take office.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/04/a-young-mayor-and-her-husband-were-shot.html (http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/04/a-young-mayor-and-her-husband-were-shot.html)
Sitting politicians.
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Many sitting politicians have been killed as well. The military, they are corrupted but not as bad as the rest of the system, fight cartels, they are the government obviously, that's my only point.
Sitting politicians.
Are we arguing and having the same point of view? I am confused. I agree military is corrupted and Cartel is the government in 80% of Mexico. If there are non corrupted they soon are found dead.
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Anyway, a blanket statement as the Cartels control the Government is not so easy to make, they obviously, do fight the National Army and Navy.
They may control some municipalities on the border to some extent and that being corruption or lead or silver, plata o plomo but are they in charge of the water company? Electricity? Even mayor's office. I'm not so sure about this.
Mexico’s toughest cop took bullets in the fight against cartels. Now he’s seeking revenge
Kate Linthicum
14-18 minutes
As the city of Tijuana has become Mexico's homicide capital, former military officer and mayoral candidate Julian Leyzaola is promising to get tough on crime.
On a clear afternoon four years ago, a gunman ran up alongside a Jeep in the Mexican border city of Juarez and started shooting.
Julian Leyzaola was hit twice in the chest, once in the neck and once in the back as he turned to shield his young son. It was that last bullet that left him paralyzed from the waist down.
https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-leyzaola-mayor-20190531-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-leyzaola-mayor-20190531-story.html)
He doesn't sound owned by the cartels.
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Anyway, a blanket statement as the Cartels control the Government is not so easy to make, they obviously, do fight the National Army and Navy.
They may control some municipalities on the border to some extent and that being corruption or lead or silver, plata o plomo but are they in charge of the water company? Electricity? Even mayor's office. I'm not so sure about this.
He doesn't sound owned by the cartels.
I am not going to split hairs. There is a map. Largely the Cartel has infiltrated the Mexican government. The ones that have not been infiltrated are quite possibly walking dead men. Because the statistics on how many people, politicians, military and police make being in control dangerous business. We can all hope that these brave men who are fighting to stay in control continue to do so.
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@TomSea
President Obrador won in an election that saw over 130 politicians assassinated. Now he has declare he wants peace with the Drug Kingpins. If you think that is in control when 80o% of the country is controlled by the Cartel I think you are wrong. President Trump needs to recognize that this new President is not making any efforts to stop the drug war. He has declared the drug war over and peace I guess is amnesty for the anarchy lawlessness of the world of Criminal multinational drug Cartel groups. Its over for Mexico. Cartel have won. So has MS-13 who freely travel through Mexico and enter our country. If the President declares war on drugs over is it any wonder there is no help from Mexico to stop the flow of drugs?
Fury as Mexico presidential candidate pitches amnesty for drug cartel kingpins
This article is more than 1 year old
Andrés Manuel López Obrador says he wants a dialogue on the drug war that has cost the country an estimated 200,000 lives over the last decade
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/04/mexican-presidential-candidate-pitches-amnesty-deal-for-drug-cartel-kingpins (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/04/mexican-presidential-candidate-pitches-amnesty-deal-for-drug-cartel-kingpins)
Obrador is Cartels President.
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Third world cultures/societies, such as Mexico, are easy marks for
criminal activity such as drug production and smuggling as they
are too lazy to to change their repetitive behavior as well as easy
marks for corrupt and venal gangsters/politicians.
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Third world cultures/societies, such as Mexico, are easy marks for
criminal activity such as drug production and smuggling as they
are too lazy to to change their repetitive behavior as well as easy
marks for corrupt and venal gangsters/politicians.
This is very true. With the influx of ILLEGALS from 50 different countries and Mexico's unwillingness or inability to curb the invasion into this country, ILLEGALS from those 3rd world cultures/societies are now the problem of the U.S. We cannot sustain the economic burden. The crimes and drugs are pouring into our country along with the diseases that the ILLEGALS bring.
You are correct, repetitive behavior makes for easy targets. Unfortunately, the U.S. has NOT changed their behavior towards ILLEGALS. Obviously what we've been doing hasn't worked in the past and it sure as heck isn't working now.