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Rick Perry: Trump's Mexico wall will be a 'digital wall'
By NICK GASS 07/11/16 09:15 AM EDT
Donald Trump's proposal to build a wall along the expanse of the United States' border with Mexico is not going to happen, as far as former Texas Gov. Rick Perry is concerned. At least not in the physical sense.
"I’m for Donald Trump, and he says we’re going to build a wall, the Mexicans are gonna pay for it," Perry told Snapchat's Peter Hamby on "Good Luck America."
Hamby remarked, "It’s not going to happen."
"Well, it’s not," Perry said, explaining, "It’s a wall, but it’s a technological wall, it’s a digital wall."
Perry, who is supporting Trump, commented, "There are some that hear this is going to be 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso,30-foot high, and listen, I know you can’t do that. "
The former governor had previously indicated skepticism about Trump's wall, telling a radio station in Des Moines, Iowa, in January that constructing such an edifice "will take literally years. I don’t care how good of a builder you are
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rick-perry-trump-digital-wall-225359#ixzz4E7G8EHiT
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Will it keep the Pokemons out?
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(http://restoringtruthiness.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Rick-Perry-Save-a-Pretzel-for-the-Gas-Jets.jpg)
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More bull from the anti crowd trying to play the lo-infos.
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Great Wall of Wi-Fi
Perry tried this same thing as governor, put cameras at the border and watch the illegals come across instead of stopping them.
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Will it keep the Pokemons out?
No, that would be "heartless"
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I always thought Trump was pixelated.
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More bull from the anti crowd trying to play the lo-infos.
So how is Trump going to put a real wall on the Rio Grande?
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A few months ago Perry referred to Trump as a cancer. So now he supports cancer.
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So how is Trump going to put a real wall on the Rio Grande?
And Big Bend and Big Bend State parks which have several miles along the river of the most gorgeous real estate in the US. Not to mention all the privately owned land that would have to be bought up.
Not only is the funding of the wall a fantasy, but the need for it is also based in fantasy. Because as was pointed out during the debates, more Mexicans are leaving the US than are coming in. Are we building the wall to keep Mexicans out or in?
But to these criticisms, Donald Trump says "the wall just got ten feet taller".
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With oddly short, fat digits...
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So how is Trump going to put a real wall on the Rio Grande?
He's going to make it the world's longest casino...
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So how is Trump going to put a real wall on the Rio Grande?
For starters, he'll float a loan...
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He's going to make it the world's longest casino...
And his employees will get to swim north to get to work...
:silly:
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Rick Perry knows the topography well. Donald Trump doesn't know the Rio Grande is in Texas.
I really hate that Perry has come out for Trump ... he was my choice in 2012 and I still like him.
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So it's going to be a digital firewall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, and Hillary's server is going to house it.
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So it's going to be a digital firewall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, and Hillary's server is going to house it.
Trumpty Dumpty sat on his wall...
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Great Wall of Wi-Fi
Wi-Fi or Hi-Fi??
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/micma/stuff%20for%20people/untitledphilspector9123.jpg)
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So how is Trump going to put a real wall on the Rio Grande?
Thanks for admitting you do not know how other countries have secured similar.
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Thanks for admitting you do not know how other countries have secured similar.
Such as?...
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Thanks for admitting you do not know how other countries have secured similar.
Please, enlighten us. How do you build a 'wall' in the middle of the river?
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Thanks for admitting you do not know how other countries have secured similar.
Do us all a favor and use Google Earth and fly-over the entire length of the US Mexican border and tell us how a "great wall" can be built over rugged mountains, canyons, rivers? Dessert, yes, farmland and ranches, yes if you can grab the land from private land owners. But the mountains, canyons, rivers? Fantasy.
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Do us all a favor and use Google Earth and fly-over the entire length of the US Mexican border and tell us how a "great wall" can be built over rugged mountains, canyons, rivers? Dessert, yes, farmland and ranches, yes if you can grab the land from private land owners. But the mountains, canyons, rivers? Fantasy.
Let Mexico figure it out. They're paying for it. /s :rolling:
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Let Mexico figure it out. They're paying for it. /s :rolling:
Maybe the best of many good ones I have seen today.
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Great Wall of Wi-Fi
Perry tried this same thing as governor, put cameras at the border and watch the illegals come across instead of stopping them.
Yes I remember Perry saying he would build a fence or barrier, on one of his commercials, when he ran for his last Governor's Race.
About a week after he won, he came out and said "It ain't gonna happen".
Are we in for a repeat performance?
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
you know why
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you ***** praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
We all still want the wall, but none of us believes the Flip Floppin' Orangeman.
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you ***** praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
are we supposed to think that Trump, who called for no borders in 2013 and said the Dreamers had him convinced on immigration and still believes in touchback amnesty is going to build a wall?
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you ***** praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
No, it just ain't our first day at the rodeo.
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you ****** praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
The point for most is we don't believe a word Trump says about it. He has shown time and time again he'll say anything to close the deal- even if he has zero intentions to follow through. He is playing the right by pointing to hot button items- but his asinine statements like every time he is insulted he says things like 'the wall just got ten feet higher' is just one example to show he doing nothing more than spreading BS applause lines. Just a few short years ago, he was complaining Romney was too tough on illegals.
He is basically like a WWE wrassler saying whatever he needs to in order to get applause, but is playing a completely fake character.
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Then there is this:
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2nhzukk.jpg)
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The point for most is we don't believe a word Trump says about it. He has shown time and time again he'll say anything to close the deal- even if he has zero intentions to follow through. He is playing the right by pointing to hot button items- but his asinine statements like every time he is insulted he says things like 'the wall just got ten feet higher' is just one example to show he doing nothing more than spreading BS applause lines. Just a few short years ago, he was complaining Romney was too tough on illegals.
He is basically like a WWE wrassler saying whatever he needs to in order to get applause, but is playing a completely fake character.
Well apparently after Bush and the Republican congress didn't follow through, I can see why you may have doubts.
It's your problem, not with Trump but, with the people he would have to work with?
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Then there is this:
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2nhzukk.jpg)
Soros has been butt buddies with the Clintons since the get-go. Trump isn't part of this Globalist conspiracy.
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Entity=ClintonGlobIni
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Well apparently after Bush and the Republican congress didn't follow through, I can see why you may have doubts.
It's your problem, not with Trump but, with the people he would have to work with?
Nope, totally with Trump. I like to say I disliked him long before it was cool to. He was the poster child for unethical business practices and might as well be the face of crony corporatism. He built his empire off government cronyism, bailouts, and handouts. He has partnered with those who most here would agree are the worst characters in society, from George Soros to the Saudi Royal Family. He is the only Republican candidate who not only actively donated to Hillary and called her a great friend, but discussed running with Bill before he ran. It is amazing anyone actually trusts anything he says if you take just a small peek at his history.
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Nope, totally with Trump. I like to say I disliked him long before it was cool to. He was the poster child for unethical business practices and might as well be the face of crony corporatism. He built his empire off government cronyism, bailouts, and handouts. He has partnered with those who most here would agree are the worst characters in society, from George Soros to the Saudi Royal Family. He is the only Republican candidate who not only actively donated to Hillary and called her a great friend, but discussed running with Bill before he ran. It is amazing anyone actually trusts anything he says if you take just a small peek at his history.
I've chosen my poison. Beats sitting on my ass.
You sound like you're describing the Bush family BTW.
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Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
you know why
If you are talking about the original bill Juan McCain pushed I was against that. The most recent gang of eight deals has provisions for a wall (of more doable scope) and I was against that.
It's the Amnesty that's the problem. That big beautiful door that's going to let all the non-rapist (presumably there are some according to Trump) back in.
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If you are talking about the original bill Juan McCain pushed I was against that. The most recent gang of eight deals has provisions for a wall (of more doable scope) and I was against that.
It's the Amnesty that's the problem. That big beautiful door that's going to let all the non-rapist (presumably there are some according to Trump) back in.
No, I'm talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
None of us were form Amnesty and neither is Trump. He's insisting they go home and return in a legal manner. [Big Beautiful Door]
Hillary is promising all out amnesty in the first 100 days, assuring Dem wins for the foreseeable future.
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I've chosen my poison. Beats sitting on my ass.
You sound like you're describing the Bush family BTW.
So if you don't like it under the Bush name, why accept the same thing under a different name?
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No, I'm talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
None of us were form Amnesty and neither is Trump. He's insisting they go home and return in a legal manner. [Big Beautiful Door]
Hillary is promising all out amnesty in the first 100 days, assuring Dem wins for the foreseeable future.
The ability to legally return is by definition amnesty because if they had come into the country illegally, they are barred by law from reapplying for legal entry. Amnesty or lying is the only way to return. The revolving door amnesty Trump is proposing is almost word for word the much maligned Kay Bailey Hutchinson approach that everyone easily called amnesty.
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Wolf, a good guy once called this touchback amnesty a Probationary Legal Status and said of it: Probationary legal status = end of enforcement of immigration laws within US borders for employers and employees.
Would you agree with that?
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No, I'm talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
None of us were form Amnesty and neither is Trump. He's insisting they go home and return in a legal manner. [Big Beautiful Door]
Hillary is promising all out amnesty in the first 100 days, assuring Dem wins for the foreseeable future.
Thanks, I had forgotten about that.
Of course to be accurate Donald doesn't even want to send them back for touch-back amnesty anymore.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/26/donald-trump-said-hed-deport-11-million-illegal-aliens-now-hes-reversing-himself-big-time-357022
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No, I'm talking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006
None of us were form Amnesty and neither is Trump. He's insisting they go home and return in a legal manner. [Big Beautiful Door]
Hillary is promising all out amnesty in the first 100 days, assuring Dem wins for the foreseeable future.
What you just posted says the secure fence act was not a continuous barrier, but 700 miles of addition fencing. That is very doable. Trump's wall is a continuous barrier according to him, and not a fence but a high wall that just got ten feet taller. And Mexico is going to pay for it. Fantasy.
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NavyCanDo wrote above:
"...Not to mention all the privately owned land that would have to be bought up."
I sense that many, perhaps most, perhaps nearly ALL of the landowners on the border would gladly give up the small area of their land on the border for that wall.
They are among the most put-upon by the hordes coming across now.
By the way, Rick Perry's comment on this is so asinine that it illustrates succinctly why his "candidacy" ended so quickly. The guy's a dolt.
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NavyCanDo wrote above:
"...Not to mention all the privately owned land that would have to be bought up."
I sense that many, perhaps most, perhaps nearly ALL of the landowners on the border would gladly give up the small area of their land on the border for that wall.
They are among the most put-upon by the hordes coming across now.
By the way, Rick Perry's comment on this is so asinine that it illustrates succinctly why his "candidacy" ended so quickly. The guy's a dolt.
If you were a rancher with a lot of thirsty cattle would you gladly give up water rights so Trump can build his wall between you and the river they drink from? This is already a point of contension between the ranchers and the government.
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If you were a rancher with a lot of thirsty cattle would you gladly give up water rights so Trump can build his wall between you and the river they drink from? This is already a point of contension between the ranchers and the government.
Not to mention, the border goes down the middle of the river- and you can't obstruct the waterway so you would actually have to cede territory if it was built further inward. There already is a variance on either side of the Rio Grande that is fenced and secured, but even in the middle of El Paso with the most eyes on it, it doesn't stop people from coming across in plain daylight. I don't think a 500 foot wall would do any better.
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Please, enlighten us. How do you build a 'wall' in the middle of the river?
You could build a "wall' but that's not the correct question. The correct question is how does a country secure a water border with another country - and that has centuries of experience being done.
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You could build a "wall' but that's not the correct question. The correct question is how does a country secure a water border with another country - and that has centuries of experience being done.
Searchlights, patrol boats, gun emplacements, surveillance, minefields, lots of barbed wire an' stuff.
And people will still get through.
Not to mention the tunnelers from South of the Border...
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Not to mention, the border goes down the middle of the river- and you can't obstruct the waterway so you would actually have to cede territory if it was built further inward. There already is a variance on either side of the Rio Grande that is fenced and secured, but even in the middle of El Paso with the most eyes on it, it doesn't stop people from coming across in plain daylight. I don't think a 500 foot wall would do any better.
But wait. We are talking about a "big, beautiful" Trump wall here. The illegals will be so overwhelmed by the phony gold plated veneer and ornate chandeliers that they will be unable to go on.
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Quote from: wolfcreek on July 11, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Funny how when Bush was pushing the "WALL" and Congress agreed to fund it, most everyone of you praised it.
What happened to y'all? Did some of you turn to Leftism?
No...Obama...who defeated the last two GOP candidates we were told were the "ONLY ones who could beat him" did.
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Friday ended a high-tech southern border fence plan that cost taxpayers nearly $1 billion but did little to improve security. Congress ordered the high-tech fence in 2006 amid a clamor over the porous border, but the project yielded only 53 miles of protection.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41083850/ns/us_news-security/t/obama-administration-scraps-border-fence/
And prior to that...the Dem controlled Congress did everything they could to slow roll funding for what did get built.
So Giant Fail for you on trying to pin this one on Conservatives.
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So if you don't like it under the Bush name, why accept the same thing under a different name?
Most of us here 'liked it' under the Bush name. That's not what I was saying.
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The ability to legally return is by definition amnesty because if they had come into the country illegally, they are barred by law from reapplying for legal entry. Amnesty or lying is the only way to return. The revolving door amnesty Trump is proposing is almost word for word the much maligned Kay Bailey Hutchinson approach that everyone easily called amnesty.
IIRC the first attempt to enter this country illegal [and being caught], is a misdemeanor. [second time being a felony]
This would have to be sorted out.
Fact is, someone will be doing something besides having an open border. If not for Trump and Cruz, this wouldn't even be in the forefront.
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Wolf, a good guy once called this touchback amnesty a Probationary Legal Status and said of it: Probationary legal status = end of enforcement of immigration laws within US borders for employers and employees.
Would you agree with that?
Hell no.
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Hell no.
The great guy who said that was you when this was proposed by Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1852629/posts?page=1
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The great guy who said that was you when this was proposed by Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1852629/posts?page=1
I stand by that and don't believe we're talking about the same thing here. Technology has changed greatly but, getting all the illegal to come forward [or simply find them all] is still the greatest barrier.
Thanks to the inaction of the last two Admins, we have no idea who is actually in this country.
We need to secure the border first.
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I stand by that and don't believe we're talking about the same thing here. Technology has changed greatly but, getting all the illegal to come forward [or simply find them all] is still the greatest barrier.
Thanks to the inaction of the last two Admins, we have no idea who is actually in this country.
We need to secure the border first.
Well, start by enforcing the laws we have. We can't secure much of anything if the Government won't prosecute, won't allow local LEOs to hold illegals for deportation (that gets into Federal turf and is a no-no). It won't happen with sanctuary cities, either.
If there is no enforcement, even if the 1954 miles of physical and 'virtual' barrier were built, we'd still be stuck with all the ones who are growing more entrenched by the day. There are places a physical barrier can be erected. The places it can't (which will more likely be ingress areas) can be monitored by virtual means, but without boots on the ground, and the ability to enforce the law, that will be meaningless.
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You could build a "wall' but that's not the correct question. The correct question is how does a country secure a water border with another country - and that has centuries of experience being done.
Such as?...
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Well, start by enforcing the laws we have. We can't secure much of anything if the Government won't prosecute, won't allow local LEOs to hold illegals for deportation (that gets into Federal turf and is a no-no). It won't happen with sanctuary cities, either.
If there is no enforcement, even if the 1954 miles of physical and 'virtual' barrier were built, we'd still be stuck with all the ones who are growing more entrenched by the day. There are places a physical barrier can be erected. The places it can't (which will more likely be ingress areas) can be monitored by virtual means, but without boots on the ground, and the ability to enforce the law, that will be meaningless.
My state taxes.are.putting boots on the ground here in TX to the detriment of public safety in some cases but, you are correct, enforcement and prosecution along with the FedGov support are necessary.
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I see it! My God, it IS big and beautiful! And look! The Mexicans are paying... with Bitcoins!
(http://auktiononline.com/VRWALL.jpg)