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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: truth_seeker on April 20, 2016, 10:21:34 pm
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Ted Cruz Seeks to Mend Fences with Republican Elites
Zeke J Miller / Hollywood, Florida @ZekeJMiller 3:15 PM ET Updated: 4:35 PM ET
http://time.com/4301451/ted-cruz-republican-national-committee/
Ted Cruz has made few friends among Republicans in Washington during his nearly four years in the Senate, but his message to GOP elite as he looks to build support to the party’s presidential nominee is that he would bring more Republicans along with him.
In a private meeting with members of the Republican National Committee, the Cruz campaign’s high command, including campaign manager Jeff Roe, strategist David Polyansky, and delegate-hunters Ken Cuccinelli and Saul Anuzis, made the case for Cruz as the party’s stronger choice for the general election and argued he’d help down-ballot GOP races. Mathematically eliminated from winning the GOP nomination on the first ballot, Cruz is betting on Donald Trump failing to reach the 1,237 delegates required to win the nomination on the first ballot, and plotting to secure as many of the then-unbound votes as possible.
According to multiple people in the room, Roe pitches the members on Cruz’s commitment to grassroots organizing and cited poll numbers showing Cruz as a better candidate than Trump in the general election. Yet Cruz’s own numbers are less than spectacular, trailing Hillary Clinton in nearly every poll, and often by substantial margins.
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Ted Cruz Seeks to Mend Fences with Republican Elites
Zeke J Miller / Hollywood, Florida @ZekeJMiller 3:15 PM ET Updated: 4:35 PM ET
http://time.com/4301451/ted-cruz-republican-national-committee/
Ted Cruz has made few friends among Republicans in Washington during his nearly four years in the Senate, but his message to GOP elite as he looks to build support to the party’s presidential nominee is that he would bring more Republicans along with him.
In a private meeting with members of the Republican National Committee, the Cruz campaign’s high command, including campaign manager Jeff Roe, strategist David Polyansky, and delegate-hunters Ken Cuccinelli and Saul Anuzis, made the case for Cruz as the party’s stronger choice for the general election and argued he’d help down-ballot GOP races. Mathematically eliminated from winning the GOP nomination on the first ballot, Cruz is betting on Donald Trump failing to reach the 1,237 delegates required to win the nomination on the first ballot, and plotting to secure as many of the then-unbound votes as possible.
According to multiple people in the room, Roe pitches the members on Cruz’s commitment to grassroots organizing and cited poll numbers showing Cruz as a better candidate than Trump in the general election. Yet Cruz’s own numbers are less than spectacular, trailing Hillary Clinton in nearly every poll, and often by substantial margins.
That must be from a no good website this time.com. No way Cruz is trailing in every poll to hillary, the people for Rafeal from Canada at this site tell me so. :smokin:
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Poor Ted can't even figure out that he's being set up as the fall guy by these same elites, with Rubio and Kasich back in the mix to challenge President Clinton in 2020.
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This same article was posted by Trumpites twice within less than a minute of each other.
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This same article was posted by Trumpites twice within less than a minute of each other.
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Terrible isn't it?
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This same article was posted by Trumpites twice within less than a minute of each other.
Very observant! I removed mine since truth_seeker posted it first.
No comments on Suck-Up Ted warming up to the GOPe spigot?
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Very observant! I removed mine since truth_seeker posted it first.
No comments on Suck-Up Ted warming up to the GOPe spigot?
GOPe is a meaningless term invented by talk radio personalities to keep you angry... and listening.
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GOPe is a meaningless term invented by talk radio personalities to keep you angry... and listening.
I don't listen to talk radio other than sports' talk.
What is it with you anti-Trumps making things up about me?
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I don't listen to talk radio other than sports' talk.
What is it with you anti-Trumps making things up about me?
My point still stands.
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Very observant! I removed mine since truth_seeker posted it first.
No comments on Suck-Up Ted warming up to the GOPe spigot?
Do not hold your breath. Supporters of Cruz who was born in Canada will just filibuster this thread.
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My point still stands.
No hat could ever cover it. :silly:
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No hat could ever cover it. :silly:
See you're just an bleep who has no substance whatsoever. Rather than debate my point, you post an obnoxious emoji.
THis is why everyone here hates you. Mods, ban me if you want.
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See you're just an bleep who has no substance whatsoever. Rather than debate my point, you post an obnoxious emoji.
THis is why everyone here hates you. Mods, ban me if you want.
That is another falsehood WTF..............not everyone here hates A-lert. Only the people for Rafeal from Canada hates A-lert.
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Do not hold your breath. Supporters of Cruz who was born in Canada will just filibuster this thread.
The irony is that your side keeps telling us that we have to vote for Trump if he's the nominee or else we're to blame for Hillary when she wins. Yet you attack Cruz for trying to build a coalition to defeat Hillary.
Actually, you're attacking Cruz because his mother was out of the country when she had Ted, which is totally irrelevant to the point.
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See you're just an bleep who has no substance whatsoever. Rather than debate my point, you post an obnoxious emoji.
THis is why everyone here hates you. Mods, ban me if you want.
Why you poor thing. You can sure dish it out, but when someone throws you a clean zinger in jest, you come unglued. If it'll smooth your ruffled feathers, I'll just ignore you in the future. How's that?
PS No, not everyone hates me, but you do have an obvious distaste for the truth. :seeya:
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Cruz has a shot at uniting the party. Trump will NEVER unite the party behind him.
He's burned too many bridges.
Now, what he may be preparing to do is reverse himself on most of his policy positions, knowing that his supporters are cultic worshippers of HIM, not of what he stands for. He may make promises of dropping his silly wall, say "never mind" to tariffs against China and Mexico, and grovel in apologies for all the misogynistic remarks he's made about women.
No surprise if he does this. Trump has no core, no values, and he thinks nothing of lying his ass off. I would fully expect his Trumpkins to just roll on, not caring a whit that he would show his truly liberal inclinations and expect them to go along with it.
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THis is why everyone here hates you. Mods, ban me if you want.
I don't hate A-Lert. I think he's smart and courageous. And funny, too!
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As a point of fact here, Cruz is running on the Republican ticket, not independent, not Democrat, not anything else. It is mutually beneficial. For one, every State's precincts are part of the party and those are part of the organization. In every state, party lawyers ensure ballot access and FEC compliance.
You can't wish that into existence and it would be bad business to burn those bridges.
I have big doubts if Trump was actually liquid enough to run the primary with his own money for even the amount he was loaning his campaign, so there is no way he can run a general election with all the legal requirements and hundreds of millions needed just to pay the lawyers.
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As a point of fact here, Cruz is running on the Republican ticket, not independent, not Democrat, not anything else. It is mutually beneficial. For one, every State's precincts are part of the party and those are part of the organization. In every state, party lawyers ensure ballot access and FEC compliance.
You can't wish that into existence and it would be bad business to burn those bridges.
I have big doubts if Trump was actually liquid enough to run the primary with his own money for even the amount he was loaning his campaign, so there is no way he can run a general election with all the legal requirements and hundreds of millions needed just to pay the lawyers.
Trump is not going to have enough money to run a general election. He has one PAC on his side, most won't touch him, and he's not going to spend his own money (he's not that liquid). So Trump is going to have a helluva time funding a campaign.
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Trump is not going to have enough money to run a general election. He has one PAC on his side, most won't touch him, and he's not going to spend his own money (he's not that liquid). So Trump is going to have a helluva time funding a campaign.
I actually question if Trump had the liquid assets for the $25 million he loaned (emphasis on loan) to his campaign during the primary. Most of his net worth is in property valuation, not liquid assets. That's probably why he refuses to release his tax returns- it would show his actual liquid assets along with potentially 'personal investors' helping him along with a wink and nod. It could be like the Clinton/Charlie Trie scandal on steroids.
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Trump is not going to have enough money to run a general election. He has one PAC on his side, most won't touch him, and he's not going to spend his own money (he's not that liquid). So Trump is going to have a helluva time funding a campaign.
Don't worry about it, Sink. Relax. ^-^
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Cruz has a shot at uniting the party. Trump will NEVER unite the party behind him.
He's burned too many bridges.
Now, what he may be preparing to do is reverse himself on most of his policy positions, knowing that his supporters are cultic worshippers of HIM, not of what he stands for. He may make promises of dropping his silly wall, say "never mind" to tariffs against China and Mexico, and grovel in apologies for all the misogynistic remarks he's made about women.
No surprise if he does this. Trump has no core, no values, and he thinks nothing of lying his ass off. I would fully expect his Trumpkins to just roll on, not caring a whit that he would show his truly liberal inclinations and expect them to go along with it.
Politics make strange bedfellows. If the GOPers don't kiss and makeup, the Republican party is doomed. The libs will have won the battle without firing a shot.
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Trump is not going to have enough money to run a general election. He has one PAC on his side, most won't touch him, and he's not going to spend his own money (he's not that liquid). So Trump is going to have a helluva time funding a campaign.
Trump isn't the least bit worried about the general election! He is only worried about getting rid of any possible viable opposition to Hillary!
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This same article was posted by Trumpites twice within less than a minute of each other.
I am not a "Trumpite" or any other derogatory infantile label you might use.
I will vote in the California GOP primary June 7th, and will vote for the Republican in the general election in November.
I do not care for Sen. Cruz. I think he is a hyper-ambitious sleazy politician. His supporters think he is Godsend, from Constitutional-Christian Heaven.
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I am not a "Trumpite" or any other derogatory infantile label you might use.
I will vote in the California GOP primary June 7th, and will vote for the Republican in the general election in November.
I do not care for Sen. Cruz. I think he is a hyper-ambitious sleazy politician. His supporters think he is Godsend, from Constitutional-Christian Heaven.
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Good for you. You will vote for an amoral, misogynistic, demagogic bigot who has no principled core and will blow with the wind politically.
I don't care for Cruz either, but he's a saint next to the orange haired gutter rat from New York.
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I actually question if Trump had the liquid assets for the $25 million he loaned (emphasis on loan) to his campaign during the primary. Most of his net worth is in property valuation, not liquid assets. That's probably why he refuses to release his tax returns- it would show his actual liquid assets along with potentially 'personal investors' helping him along with a wink and nod. It could be like the Clinton/Charlie Trie scandal on steroids.
Tax returns* do NOT show "liquidity." They do NOT show "property valuations," or "liquid assets."
You should really stick to subjects that you know something about.
*That is because we pay taxes on "income" not "wealth."
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Tax returns* do NOT show "liquidity." They do NOT show "property valuations," or "liquid assets."
You should really stick to subjects that you know something about.
*That is because we pay taxes on "income" not "wealth."
Tax returns do show depreciation against investment property. So there'd be a pretty good overview of where Trump's "worth" is located.
And, income from IRA's or stocks or mutual funds would indicate just how "liquid" Trump is in terms of assets he could sell off if he had to come up with cash quickly.
On the contrary, there are plenty of clues to liquidity on a tax return.
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Tax returns* do NOT show "liquidity." They do NOT show "property valuations," or "liquid assets."
You should really stick to subjects that you know something about.
*That is because we pay taxes on "income" not "wealth."
Very true. Tax returns are really only good for showing taxable income, and that's about it (and taxable income isn't necessarily economic income either).
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Tax returns* do NOT show "liquidity." They do NOT show "property valuations," or "liquid assets."
You should really stick to subjects that you know something about.
*That is because we pay taxes on "income" not "wealth."
Yes they do with a deep dive because they will show the valuation of property and assets that are taxable against income and interest. It then just takes a bit of calculating to know the level of liquidity he has.
Example, if he writes off property taxes on $9.2 billion in property but shows just $500K in taxable interest on investments and $2 million in taxable income, and that is consistent over the past 10 years, one can easily determine it is unlikely he has $25 million in liquidity. It would show his value is based on non liquid assets, not on actual liquid cash.
It won't be exact proof, but it will be enough to raise questions. (and yes, this is something I do know about)
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Very true. Tax returns are really only good for showing taxable income, and that's about it (and taxable income isn't necessarily economic income either).
You mean that it's possible to take in quite a lot of money none of which comes under the current definition of "income"? Well my goodness! Who would have EVER thought of that? /s
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Good for you. You will vote for an amoral, misogynistic, demagogic bigot who has no principled core and will blow with the wind politically.
I don't care for Cruz either, but he's a saint next to the orange haired gutter rat from New York.
Interestingly enough, truth_seeker preached comity on this board before he swallowed the Trump lies. He quoted Dale Carnegie, always wanting us to be nice to each other...
Now he supports the most vulgar, debased human being to ever run on the Republican ticket, and has lost his desire to be civil entirely..
Trump has a very bad effect on some very good people........ and it's a shame to see.
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Interestingly enough, truth_seeker preached comity on this board before he swallowed the Trump lies. He quoted Dale Carnegie, always wanting us to be nice to each other...
Now he supports the most vulgar, debased human being to ever run on the Republican ticket, and has lost his desire to be civil entirely..
Trump has a very bad effect on some very good people........ and it's a shame to see.
Ah yes I see you talking about me, behind my back. You are so very superior to others, aren't you?
The truth is no secret. I don't like Cruz. He reminds me of religious phonies, like Marjoe Gortner, Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.
I always have my guard up for those types, because there are so many of them.
You appear to me to be similar to Cruz, talking down to others from your religious "moral" perches.
Interestingly enough. What you just obtained was called a "counterpunch." You started a personal attack/insult.
That is mainly what takes place on this site. Teenage personalities, in adult bodies.
Patting themselves on the back, for holding certain superior views, and putting down people with opposing views.
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Ah yes I see you talking about me, behind my back. You are so very superior to others, aren't you?
The truth is no secret. I don't like Cruz. He reminds me of religious phonies, like Marjoe Gortner, Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.
I always have my guard up for those types, because there are so many of them.
You appear to me to be similar to Cruz, talking down to others from your religious "moral" perches.
Interestingly enough.
I'm not talking behind your back. You're right here on the thread.
And I know that you look down on me. You haven't hidden that from Day 1.
But at least you used to ask people to be civil to each other, and you've changed.
btw, I love how the expectation of integrity in a leader now leads to all kinds of name-calling from the Trump crowd. It's not being on a moral "perch" or "high horse" nor being "sanctimonious" nor a "Pharisee" to find it problematic that a Presidential nominee is PROUD of his being a serial adulterer.
If merely voicing disgust at debauchery is now forbidden, the left has succeeded completely in brainwashing the American public with their so-called sexual revolution.
It's now dishonorable to expect honor from a leader.
These are sad days.
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Ah yes I see you talking about me, behind my back. You are so very superior to others, aren't you?
The truth is no secret. I don't like Cruz. He reminds me of religious phonies, like Marjoe Gortner, Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.
I always have my guard up for those types, because there are so many of them.
You appear to me to be similar to Cruz, talking down to others from your religious "moral" perches.
Interestingly enough.
I'm agnostic and Cruz doesn't bother me one bit. I'm impressed with the man and his intellect.
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Tax returns* do NOT show "liquidity." They do NOT show "property valuations," or "liquid assets."
You should really stick to subjects that you know something about.
*That is because we pay taxes on "income" not "wealth."
Actually depending on the circumstances we do pay taxes on wealth -- anytime you sell stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.
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You mean that it's possible to take in quite a lot of money none of which comes under the current definition of "income"? Well my goodness! Who would have EVER thought of that? /s
IRAs and 401(k)s don't show up on a tax return, except for the deduction for contributions to an IRA and distributions received later on. In between there is no way to know what's being earned. Also, one can have fairly liquid investments - investments that can be readily borrowed against or sold for cash - which do not throw off taxable income until liquidated.
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Interestingly enough, truth_seeker preached comity on this board before he swallowed the Trump lies. He quoted Dale Carnegie, always wanting us to be nice to each other...
Now he supports the most vulgar, debased human being to ever run on the Republican ticket, and has lost his desire to be civil entirely..
Trump has a very bad effect on some very good people........ and it's a shame to see.
You hit the nail on the head. Trump does have a very bad effect on some very good people!
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Actually depending on the circumstances we do pay taxes on wealth -- anytime you sell stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.
Or, in most states, if you own real property.
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Actually depending on the circumstances we do pay taxes on wealth -- anytime you sell stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.
No. You pay tax on the excess of what you get over what you paid. That is income (an accession to wealth, clearly realized). Even better, you get to deduct your losses.
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Yes they do with a deep dive because they will show the valuation of property and assets that are taxable against income and interest. It then just takes a bit of calculating to know the level of liquidity he has.
Example, if he writes off property taxes on $9.2 billion in property but shows just $500K in taxable interest on investments and $2 million in taxable income, and that is consistent over the past 10 years, one can easily determine it is unlikely he has $25 million in liquidity. It would show his value is based on non liquid assets, not on actual liquid cash.
It won't be exact proof, but it will be enough to raise questions. (and yes, this is something I do know about)
If Mr. Trump needed to raise a few hundred millions of US dollars, I expect he could pledge his net equity in various properties, as collateral and borrow the money.
Don't you?
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You hit the nail on the head. Trump does have a very bad effect on some very good people!
Some VERY good people.
I hope they go back to being themselves after the Trump fever leaves them.....
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If Mr. Trump needed to raise a few hundred millions of US dollars, I expect he could pledge his net equity in various properties, as collateral and borrow the money.
Don't you?
I doubt if he could raise hundreds of millions, but I'm pretty sure he could raise tens of millions. Then again, none of us knows the state of his holdings; it's possible that most of them are already subject to debt, so that he couldn't borrow that much more.
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You will vote for an amoral, misogynistic, demagogic bigot who has no principled core and will blow with the wind politically.
Nah, Bill Clinton isn't a candidate.
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Nah, Bill Clinton isn't a candidate.
That's pretty funny!
(I mean it, I'm not picking fights).
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Actually depending on the circumstances we do pay taxes on wealth -- anytime you sell stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.
Actually we pay taxes on the income from profits made on those sales.
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If Mr. Trump needed to raise a few hundred millions of US dollars, I expect he could pledge his net equity in various properties, as collateral and borrow the money.
Don't you?
But that would raise the question. He wouldn't be funding with his own money but with loans that he is required to disclose but isn't. If he gets personal "investments" from others to him that he turns around and loans to the campaign, it could be viewed as an illegal attempt to bypass campaign finance limits and disclosure rules... See the Clinton/Charlie Trie scandal.